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Speaker 2: Is that woo whoo? And Dean and Ty, welcome back

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Speaker 2: to the solid verbal, boys and girls. My name is

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Speaker 2: Ty Hildenbrand. That fine gentleman over there. Currently on the

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Speaker 2: West Coast, Dan Ruberstein, sir, hey you doing today.

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Speaker 1: I'm not making the joke about Big ten Country. I

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Speaker 1: I'm all right, Ty, come on. I'm on the West coast.

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Speaker 1: But it's a nice segue time zone math talking about

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Speaker 1: Like every propose, like the Super Conference thing, the Big

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Speaker 1: like that, that it's going to take a lot. It's

434
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Speaker 1: going to take a herculean effort just because of the

435
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Speaker 1: status of the ACC right now in terms of the

436
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 1: deal they signed with ESPN and grant of rights and

437
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 1: you know, basically no wiggle room before financial wiggle room.

438
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Speaker 1: I think it's for at least what eight years, if

439
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: not longer, and so it almost seems like it's going

440
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: to be settled in a courtroom or some sort of

441
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 1: agreement or some sort of convincing because it's an ESPN deal,

442
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,640
Speaker 1: there has to be some sort of conversation with ESPN,

443
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 1: who is going to control so much of the SEC

444
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 1: and now control so much of the ACC, that they're

445
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 1: going to have to be willing to break and concede

446
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,360
Speaker 1: certain things for the landscape to change within the ACC

447
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: and the powers that be in the ACC. Because ESPN

448
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: has invested in the success of the ACC, so that's

449
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: an element to this as well. So that's the problem

450
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Speaker 1: when you start talking about Florida State or Clemson or

451
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 1: North Carolina or Miami or Boston College or Pitt or anything,

452
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Speaker 1: that there are business roadblocks that are not obviously apparent

453
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Speaker 1: within the PAC twelve and the Big Twelve. Obviously not

454
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Speaker 1: with the Big Twelve as Texas and Oklahoma League last

455
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: year and probably make the official move in a couple

456
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Speaker 1: of years now two three years. So that's the issue

457
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Speaker 1: at play. Notre Dame has flexibility because of the deal

458
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Speaker 1: that they signed with the ACC because it's a pseudo deal,

459
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Speaker 1: and obviously Notre Dame is always going to have leverage

460
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Speaker 1: in these types of situations. But yeah, the thing with

461
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: Notre Dame is everybody's going to have a number that

462
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 1: whether it's competitive, competitively falling behind and getting less attention

463
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 1: and they're just going to get less from NBC or whoever.

464
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: And if they're making whatever they make and it's a

465
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Speaker 1: fraction of what Indiana, Purdue, Minnesota, Nebraska, Penn State, whoever

466
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Speaker 1: in the Big ten is making because they're part of

467
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Speaker 1: a bundle, right, I mean, we're just talking about a

468
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Speaker 1: TV bundle at this point with these conferences, And maybe

469
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: we always have been. We've just been naive to that fact.

470
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Speaker 1: Notre Dame is going to make a move to the

471
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Speaker 1: Big ten. It feels like at some point, I think

472
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Speaker 1: it's inevitable, too good to pass up. It's inevitable. It's

473
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 1: always made a lot of sense for them. They just

474
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Speaker 1: have chosen a different path. They've had that luxury. They

475
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Speaker 1: are a national brand. They've got their contract with NBC

476
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Speaker 1: through twenty twenty five. I believe they've got this loose partnership.

477
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Speaker 1: We'll use that term again with the ACC. They've maintained

478
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: their flexibility for as long as they can. I have

479
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: to believe they see the writing on the wall. I

480
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: don't know when they're going to sign the dotted line.

481
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 1: Nobody has told me they're signing the dotted line anytime soon.

482
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 1: They have to sign the dotted line with the Big Ten.

483
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: At some point, they quite literally have no choice other

484
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Speaker 1: than to sign with one of these power conferences. If

485
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: things progress the way we believe they're going to, there's

486
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: just no choice for Notre Dame. So how they get

487
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: out of their agreement with the ACC and NBC if

488
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: they have to, that remains an open question. Perhaps that's

489
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: why they don't feel compelled to do so, But it

490
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: does stand to reason that if the other schools in

491
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Speaker 1: the ACC start getting spooked by that agreement, start getting

492
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: spooked by the landscape of college football, start getting that

493
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: own feeling of an existential threat of being left out,

494
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: then we're talking about an interesting situation. Then we're talking

495
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 1: about courtrooms and exit fees and a lot of sports

496
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: business reporters explaining stuff to you and I that we

497
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: otherwise would not have any clue what's going on, so

498
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: as as we sort of speed down this super conference tunnel,

499
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: and you know, it just becomes the AFC and NFC essentially,

500
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: and we're just going to break the Big ten into

501
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: four divisions and break the SEC into four divisions, and

502
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: you have some sort of grouping of other teams that

503
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: are always angling to get in, be it from the

504
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: Big twelve or G five level or ACC or whatever

505
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,719
Speaker 1: is left of the Pac twelve. Like, what is the

506
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: upside to you? Which I'm still grappling with and I

507
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: have some ideas, but what is the upside to you

508
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: of watching this sport? As a fan of the sport

509
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: at large? I think there are fewer people who watch

510
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: the who are just college football fans than there are

511
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: fans that are just much more locked in on you know, Arkansas, Texas, Tech,

512
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: Oregon State, whatever is what is the upside to this

513
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: sort of future of the sport of However, many giant

514
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: conferences bundled together for TV money, which by the way,

515
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: it's always been in some form, that's what conferences have been.

516
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: But what is the upside? Because I want to be

517
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: open to a bright, shimmering future. I just don't see

518
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: anybody really talk about what who the winners are. From

519
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: a sporting standpoint.

520
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 2: I don't know where the upside is for fans of

521
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 2: the sport. I know where the upside is for Fox

522
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 2: and ESPN. But if you're a Wisconsin fan, I guess

523
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 2: there's an upside to having a reason to go to

524
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 2: LA in late November. I guess there is. I guess

525
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 2: there is an upside if you are a fan of

526
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 2: UCLA volleyball, knowing that the program was in debt and

527
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 2: now with this new cash grab, you're going to be

528
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 2: able to stay solving it for some period of time.

529
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: As you said, who knows how sustainable the business is.

530
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,479
Speaker 2: But that's a separate conversation. This influx of cash can

531
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Speaker 2: seemingly help some of those institutions keep their athletic pro

532
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 2: gram afloat. Maybe they can use that money for other

533
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 2: good on campus. But from a fans standpoint, certainly usc

534
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 2: playing at Penn State in mid October is different. I

535
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: guess we will see different matchups that are novel that

536
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 2: make things interesting. We know better than anybody. Non conference

537
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 2: matchups are appealing to people that watch college football, and

538
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,959
Speaker 2: seeing these odd configurations of pairings in early September is

539
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 2: genuinely something that drives interest on our show. So maybe

540
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 2: the new matchup for sub period of time will keep

541
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 2: people's interest and make them feel like it's a sport reborn.

542
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 2: But beyond that, it's very hard to see why this

543
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: is a good thing. Let's say you're Lincoln Riley.

544
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: Who I don't believe knew when he was hired. I

545
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: don't believe he knew because I think coaches leak, and

546
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: so I don't think he knew.

547
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 2: If you're Lincoln Riley and you're looking at your travel schedule,

548
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 2: that can't be an appealing thing to you, right, I mean,

549
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 2: you are spending so much time on airplanes now, and

550
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 2: I know the Big Ten has said they'll be creative

551
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 2: with their scheduling. I have no idea what that means.

552
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 2: Unless they have some way to build a hyper loop

553
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 2: and and or transplant Southern cal to North Platte, Nebraska,

554
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 2: I don't see.

555
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: One hundred million dollars a year. One hundred million dollars

556
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: can buy a lot of interesting travel.

557
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 2: But it's never going to change the fact that they're

558
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 2: three and a half hour plane ride away from the

559
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 2: next closest Big Ten school So I'm I'm that to

560
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 2: me is puzzling. I don't know how you solve that

561
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 2: problem without adding other teams in the West coast footprint,

562
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 2: right That would make sense to some extent if they

563
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 2: had Oregon, Washington, Stanford, some schools out west, because then

564
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 2: at least they can give some of those West Coast

565
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 2: schools a bit of a travel reprieve. But otherwise I

566
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 2: don't really see the upside as far as that goes.

567
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 2: One thing I haven't seen and maybe we'll hear more about,

568
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 2: is this issue that the PAC twelve has been dealing

569
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 2: with for generations. Now it's a different time zone. Kevin

570
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: Warren presumably can't change that either. I suppose there can

571
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 2: be more games played in the Midwest footprint that puts

572
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 2: these games on national TV and gives USC and UCLA

573
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 2: and whoever else more exposure. But is there a plan

574
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 2: to start the games out west earlier? Is there a

575
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 2: plan to make sure that there is more of a

576
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 2: national spotlight on those PAC twelve or the old PAC

577
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 2: twelve teams new Big ten teams. I have not seen

578
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 2: anything as for that.

579
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Speaker 1: I've got a couple of things. So the upside to

580
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: me is if you root for a team in one

581
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: of these major conferences, a Big ten team, an SEC team,

582
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: and whatever they look like moving forward, your team is

583
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: going to have more money to play around with than usual.

584
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: And more money to play around with than usual means

585
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: you can hire better coaches. You can keep really good

586
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: coaches because you can match offers or just make them

587
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: a really strong offer not to leave. You can hire

588
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: your assistant. Pool grows all sorts of things as a

589
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: fan that you'd love to see from your program. That

590
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: if you're a fan of a mid tier team who

591
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: is succeeding. I'm not going to name a mid tier

592
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: team because everybody thinks that they've got the best program

593
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: in America. But if you're a mid tier team who's succeeding,

594
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: an influx of cash does mean that you can hire

595
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: a premium coordinator, or you can keep a premium coordinator

596
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: or defensive line coach, or you can fire them and

597
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: pay buyouts. If you are hating your offensive coordinator or

598
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,479
Speaker 1: you're hating your head coach, but your team doesn't have

599
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: the funds to pay a massive buyout, suddenly that kind

600
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: of money matters. That you have that kind of cash

601
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: to say we are prepared to buy out a twelve

602
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: million dollar buyout or an eight million dollar buyout.

603
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: And that's a win for a fan, right, Well, it

604
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 2: is and it isn't you know what else that does

605
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: Because of the added money, we've got more expectations and

606
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: because of the expectations, because of the pressure, because of

607
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 2: that constant drive to get to the top. I think

608
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 2: it accentuates the other aspects of the sport that we've

609
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 2: been talking about that people also do not like. That

610
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 2: makes it easier to fire a coach.

611
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, I mean. Look, the thing that people with

612
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: major power, be it within an athletics department, or within

613
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 1: a conference or within a network hate the least is accountability.

614
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: And if you have the money to bail out your

615
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: own bad decision, like why did USC keep Clay Helton

616
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: along longer than they probably should have? Around longer than

617
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 1: they should have The broke boys like USC is doing

618
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: this as a bailout because they feel like they have

619
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,720
Speaker 1: a god given right to be a major college football program.

620
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: Same for UCLA. They didn't know how to run a

621
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 1: vible business. They weren't big enough schools to carry a conference,

622
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: but they're big enough to participate as somebody. As teams

623
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: who happen to be somewhere that has a lot of eyeballs.

624
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: This is a participation trophy for these teams. They're moving

625
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 1: to the Big Ten so they can continue to participate

626
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: in a sport in which they perceive themselves to be major,

627
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: major brands without on field results and with constant bad

628
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: decisions and hiring on the athletic director level, on the

629
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: coach level, on the coordinator level, whatever. They now have

630
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: the influx of cash that USC fans, which USC fans

631
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: should be thrilled that the school can't get out of

632
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: its own way, but now they can pay to get

633
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: out of its own way, and that's going to be

634
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: true of teams across the board in these conferences. The

635
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 1: downsides are Illinois thinks they're safe forever, Purdue thinks they're

636
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 1: safe forever, Vanderbilt thinks they're safe forever, and that might

637
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: not be the case as we go to the next

638
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: round of what do we want the Big ten and

639
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 1: SEC to be? Miszoo might think they're safe forever. That's

640
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: where where that's the downsides seem to be immense that

641
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: this is going to turn off. However, many people, and

642
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: sure people are still going to watch games on Saturday,

643
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: maybe not many. And whether it's because you're a fan

644
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: of a Big twelve team or a Pac twelve team

645
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 1: or whatever, or you're just you have no interest in

646
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: your team being pretty good and being ignored because of

647
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 1: the state of college football, that you're a Minnesota fan,

648
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 1: that you're a Wisconsin fan, that you're a Kentucky fan.

649
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, when you add in USC and

650
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: UCLA and Notre Dame or Texas and Oklahoma, you being

651
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: pretty good just means less to everybody because all of

652
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: the eyeballs are elsewhere, that we are diluting things with

653
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: these major conferences, that it's harder to create storylines across

654
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: the board, and so's it sounds silly, but what is

655
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: the email that we always get? Why aren't you talking

656
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: about NC State? Why aren't you talking about Kentucky? Why

657
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: aren't you talking about Nebraska? Like there is this attention

658
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: economy that is going to plummet for a lot of

659
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: these schools for whatever reason that it just seems like

660
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: ultimately it's going to bum a lot of people out. Now, again,

661
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,720
Speaker 1: it's a business. This is where businesses head they consolidate.

662
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: This is no different than any other industry. There is

663
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: going to be a homogeneous element to college football, just

664
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: like there is in you know, the restaurant world, in

665
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: the finance world, in any industry. But that's not what

666
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: we do here, Like it's a book. Now we have

667
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: to have this conversation about TV market size and ratings

668
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: and grant of rights, like this is not why we

669
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: do this show. I mean again true of anything, Like

670
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: you have to look below the surface to find out

671
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: why things are the way that they are. But it's

672
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: it's hard to see this as and maybe you're nineteen

673
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: or you're twenty three, and like this is just a

674
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: new thing for the sport that has been changing in

675
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 1: this very specific way since whatever it is twenty eleven,

676
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: that this has always been the sport for you. But

677
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: this is also an older sport. This is also a

678
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: sport that largely appeals to older people who went to

679
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: a school or were affiliated or are from an area

680
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: with the school and they have specific baggage scar tissue

681
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: with that school and to see all of that blow

682
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: up for Big Noon Saturday or for you know, the

683
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: big ABC game of the week on Saturday night, and

684
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: having the ability to have new teams in that spot

685
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: and sell more rotel ads.

686
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,760
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, you're referring to ESPN on ABC. Yeah, okay,

687
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 2: thank you.

688
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, ESPN, ABC, yes, of course, and Fox like. It's

689
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: just it's silly that we have to go down this road.

690
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 2: I'll tell you one upside here.

691
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: Okay, give me some upside. I need it.

692
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: This is for me personally. I mean yeah. We talked

693
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 2: at the top about this moment in college football, this

694
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 2: singularity of sorts being in the abstract and in the future,

695
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 2: and it was hard to see until it was right

696
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 2: in front of us. Right, I am enjoying again in

697
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 2: the abstract emotion completely boiled off, all the different combinations

698
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 2: that people are throwing around on the inner This has

699
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 2: become a sport of sorts for me, going online, going

700
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 2: on Reddit, going on our discord at verbawlers dot com,

701
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 2: Wink wink, nudge nudge, reading some of the various unsubstantiated

702
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 2: media reports. If we're here, If we're here, let's at

703
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 2: least try to enjoy it. I am enjoying this state

704
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 2: of complete chaos where nobody knows which ends up. There's

705
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 2: like four guys in college football media, John Wilner, Dennis Dodd,

706
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: Pete Thammel. I'm not sure who else who are getting

707
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 2: these reports. Jeff Rmin. I think on the Maryland side

708
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 2: guys who have real connections, but everybody else is just

709
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: truly throwing it at the wall. I'm at least enjoying

710
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 2: that as a fan, because if the whole thing's gonna

711
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 2: go belly up, it's at least fun to speculate when

712
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 2: none of us has a damn clue.

713
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: The big winner is the message board account that is

714
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: described as this guy seems to be an insider. He

715
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: was right about that account on every single message board

716
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: is a huge winner, even if that person is batting

717
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 1: four forty two, even if to eighty seven. But if

718
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: that person gets something right, then like, ooh that there

719
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: is something. Look, we are living in a universe in

720
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: which anonymous message board users can create a lot of havoc.

721
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: So why not college football? Yeah, I mean the downside

722
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:39,240
Speaker 1: seem to be like, doesn't seem pro player, doesn't seem

723
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 1: pro coaches, families, doesn't seem pro fan. I mean the

724
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: games will be on major networks and streaming services, and

725
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: everybody will be able to find games and hopefully ESPN

726
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: makes enough money from their SEC bundle so that the

727
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: Rod Gilmour crew can get camera cameras in a better truck,

728
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: because as far as I've heard from a number of people,

729
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 1: ESPN was in it may still be in a mode

730
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 1: of doing those like very cheap and obvious remote broadcasts.

731
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: And so maybe this will get you know, the the

732
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: ESPN production values up to a nice place across the

733
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: board within whatever the acc SEC. Who knows PAC twelve,

734
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: PAC eight, PAC forty four, I don't know, But the

735
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: downsides seem like everybody's just sort of figuring it out

736
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: on the fly, and nobody really knows where TV and

737
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: streaming is going. And if this turns people off, this

738
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: is a nice last hurrah for college football. It makes

739
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: it immensely difficult to become a new college football fan.

740
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: Like think about if you're an NBA fan, if you're

741
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: a Major League Baseball fan, if you're a fan of

742
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 1: any of those teams, what you have in the off

743
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: season is damn well, Nolan Aaronado, is that a name?

744
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: Is that somebody who's feeling baseball? He's a free agent.

745
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: Where's he going to end up? Is somebody going to

746
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 1: pay him four hundred million dollars or Kevin Durant, where's

747
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: he gonna go? Now? It's Kansas State, Oregon, Baylor, Clemson,

748
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: North Carolina. You have team free agency. Everybody's yelling about

749
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: nil and the transfer portal as de facto free agency. Buddy,

750
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: you're talking about speedboats when there are gigantic aircraft carriers

751
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: looking to change continents every so often.

752
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 2: It takes on a much, much different context. And I think,

753
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 2: as fans, this is all gobblygook that we wouldn't otherwise

754
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 2: care about. We care about the product in the field.

755
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 2: We care about message boards and rivalries and recruiting.

756
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 1: There is part of me. I kept thinking, you did it?

757
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: What an Independence Day post on Instagram with President what's

758
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 1: the President's dam? I have President Whitmore and President Whitmore

759
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: and the whole speech of you know, the quest for

760
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:01,879
Speaker 1: freedom and independence. I keep thinking about a different Jeff

761
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 1: Goldblum character. I keep thinking about Ian Malcolm and your

762
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could

763
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: that they didn't stop to think if they should. That

764
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: you're losing the main thing, and that's that's what's gonna

765
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: like College football fans are going to die off, and

766
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: it's how good are you at generating new fans. You're

767
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: good at generating new alumni at schools, but with where

768
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: this is going, and like having to follow this kind

769
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 1: of thing, not every off season but a lot of them,

770
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: Like is college football willing? It'll make it on a

771
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: certain level easier to follow if there are fewer teams.

772
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: I get that if we end up at a place

773
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: in the next decade in which there are two conferences

774
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 1: with twenty or twenty four teams or something like that,

775
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: and they clearly have the you know, they own seven

776
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: of eight postseason spots or thirteen of sixteen or something

777
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: like that, eleven of twelve, ten of twelve, that it

778
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 1: becomes easier as a new fan to say, Okay, these

779
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: are the forty eight teams that I need, or these

780
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: are the two conferences that I really need to spend

781
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: all of my time on. But what does that do

782
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: to alumni and places that were left out in the cult,

783
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: albeit with smaller fan bases and in smaller markets. What

784
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: does that do to sort of your consolidating interest to

785
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: a certain number of schools and footprints of schools. Is

786
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: that a good long term thing for the sport. We

787
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: talked about this on the Emergency pod of if you're

788
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: just making a slightly bigger and worse playing NFL, is

789
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: that something that is going to capture the hearts and

790
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: minds of a casual sports fan. I don't know. I

791
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: don't know. That's the issue at play here that you

792
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: have to learn so much about the sport and the

793
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,439
Speaker 1: background of the sport. And you've mentioned this. Soccer fans,

794
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: European soccer fans are able to do this successfully. But

795
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 1: at least there are schools, at least there are programs,

796
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: at least there are teams overseas that there's a system

797
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: by which they sort of have a chance. Well, it's

798
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: part of the culture too, it's part of the system.

799
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: It has not been part of the system here for

800
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: the entire span that college football has been a thing. So,

801
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: you know, how it is anything new any change. People

802
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: aren't comfortable with that totally, me included.

803
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 2: I mean, we've even gotten emails from folks who feel

804
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 2: like they're turned off. We've gotten tweets from folks who

805
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 2: feel like they've been turned off by the turn college

806
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 2: football has taken. They can't keep track of the player movement.

807
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: But will they still watch that's the question.

808
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 2: My suspicion is yes, but there's no doubt it's taken

809
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 2: a little bit of steam out of the collective fan base.

810
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 2: I don't know right in. Look, let us know what

811
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 2: you think, soliverble at gmail dot com. We've been waxing

812
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 2: poetic here about our own thoughts on the matter. I think,

813
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 2: at least for me, some of those thoughts are still

814
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 2: forming as I am saying them. Yep, Soliverble at gmail

815
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 2: dot com. That's the email. Hit us up on social.

816
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 2: We'd love to hear your thoughts on this. Will be

817
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 2: posting I'm sure clips from this podcast.

818
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 1: I'll make some sort of weird video with just audio

819
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: waveforms and avatars for us. I'll do something I'll put

820
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 1: I'll post it on YouTube. I'll have some fun with it.

821
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 2: We'll post us out do We want to get your

822
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 2: thoughts on on the state of college football. Lord knows,

823
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 2: if you've got any inside scoop, If you've got any

824
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 2: interesting theories that you'd like to share with us, let

825
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 2: us his phone number six one oh continue time. I

826
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 2: don't have it off the top of my head. Can

827
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 2: I ask you a couple couple closing questions. Please, uh,

828
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 2: if you're the Orgon Ducks, what is I don't know

829
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 2: if I want you to rank the path the potential

830
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 2: paths forward depending on what the Big ten does and

831
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 2: doesn't want, or the SEC does doesn't want, or the

832
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 2: Big twelve ace like you're you're the organ Ducks, which

833
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 2: is a program that is sort of unique in the

834
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 2: sport that they are pretty successful, and it's relatively recent

835
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 2: giving the history of the sport that you know, it

836
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 2: starts in nineteen ninety four essentially with the Rose bullberth

837
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 2: and lost to Penn State, and then starting around two

838
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: thousand the uniforms and Joey Harrington, things really ramp up,

839
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:11,760
Speaker 2: and then you have Chip Kelly and whatever.

840
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: So Oregon, you know, beats the brains out of UCLA

841
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: and USC. I think they've won six of eight against

842
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: USC and they're they're left behind. What do you do?

843
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 1: What is the strategy? If you are the Oregon president

844
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: or athletic director, you know, who are you begging or

845
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: not begging? What is the path forward by which Oregon

846
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: can maintain its status as a pretty recognizable brand both

847
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 1: on the field and off.

848
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 2: It's a recognizable brand, and it has been a program

849
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 2: that has very much tried to break into that upper

850
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 2: crust of college football. I think that's where they see themselves.

851
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 2: They see themselves as being on the cusp. Sure, that's

852
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 2: why they've pumped so much money into that program. If

853
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 2: you feel like you are at that level of college football, well,

854
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 2: I don't think going to the Big twelve, bulk conference

855
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 2: whatever they are trying to compile is the move for

856
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 2: you. You have to try and find a way into one

857
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 2: of the supposed super conferences at this point, and the

858
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 2: obvious choice would be the Big ten or the SEC.

859
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 2: You know, I don't I think the SEC probably makes

860
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 2: even less sense. But I would try to shoot for

861
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 2: the moon and get into one of those super conferences

862
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 2: as best you can.

863
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Speaker 1: So obviously, yes, you know, joining one of those conferences

864
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Speaker 1: is the survival move in terms of like we want

865
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 1: to become a national champion, we want to recruit top

866
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: ten classes every year, we want to, you know, play

867
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: in huge games that a lot of people watch.

868
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 2: It's the only move. It's the only move. It's the

869
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 2: only move for Oregon, it's the only move for Notre Dame.

870
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it's not up to them, though, no, it's

871
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: up to Notre Dame. It's not up to Oregon in

872
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: this situation, that's the problem. And so if you were

873
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: to say, okay, join the bulk Big twelve, spearhead a

874
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: new look Pack twelve adding higher profile either Big twelve

875
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: or Mountain West teams, So you're you're now the anchor

876
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: program and you're going to make more money than the

877
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: other programs in the conference. And you are going to

878
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 1: be the premier program that is on the West Coast

879
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: and plays on the West coast. You're you're the lead

880
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: singer in the boy band. You get paid a little

881
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: bit more. Correct, So you can sell to Northern California kids,

882
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: you can sell to Northwest kids, you can sell to

883
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: you know, kids in Arizona and southern California that not

884
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 1: only are you on the West Coast, but you're playing

885
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: your games in a in the region. And like one

886
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: of the examples I've seen is like the distance from

887
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 1: like Seattle to Tucson isn't unlike what you will see

888
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 1: and UCA they are going to be traveling to going

889
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: to the Midwest. So I understand all of that that

890
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: it's all relative. So you can position yourself in that

891
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: way if the money is right or right ish, and

892
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 1: there is some sort of path for growth on the

893
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: West coast, which is very difficult to see because you

894
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 1: do need that money. You need the money to keep

895
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: up with everybody, or you say, how can we figure

896
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: out things in the Big twelve and be the biggest

897
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: program in terms of draw and national recognizability in this

898
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: new look Big twelve, which I think is the case,

899
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: like Utah has gotten it done better on the field recently,

900
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:19,240
Speaker 1: but Oregon's still a much more recognizable brand than anybody

901
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: in the current iteration of the Big twelve. And so

902
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: there's that that you're in Texas and you're in Arizona,

903
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 1: you're in you know, you're in states that you're already recruiting,

904
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,760
Speaker 1: or you figure out some way so that the number

905
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 1: three conference is a patchwork of acc PAC twelve, and

906
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: whether it's a loose affiliation or if it's an actual

907
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: like all of a sudden, you are in a conference

908
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: with Miami, Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina, other huge programs.

909
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: But now you just have this extremely weird geography in

910
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 1: which you are flying cross country at all points and

911
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: Eugene's not the easiest place to get to. So I

912
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: don't know exactly the feasibility of something like that. You're

913
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: the Cowboys in the FC East right right exactly. I

914
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: just don't think that's a great option.

915
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:08,320
Speaker 2: I don't know. It just feels like, of all the things,

916
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 2: of all the possibilities, Oregon is going to be at

917
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 2: a disadvantage one way or the other because they're in

918
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 2: the upper left corner of the United States and there

919
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 2: is nothing truly that is that close to them in

920
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 2: a college football sense. Whatever they do here is going

921
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 2: to have to be a compromise. Obviously, your first choice

922
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 2: is to get into the Big Ten if you can,

923
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 2: I guess your second choice, your fallback, probably to join

924
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 2: the Big twelve. Your third option maybe to stand pat

925
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 2: hope that George Kleievkoff can figure out a way to

926
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 2: you know, build around you for some period of time.

927
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 2: Who knows what that money looks like from a meteorite standpoint.

928
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 2: Option four I think is this loose partnership playing games

929
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 2: in Vegas against NC State, Like, how's that going to work? Yeah? Man,

930
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 2: I don't know.

931
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,919
Speaker 1: No, that's so calm. That's scaffolding on scaffolding. That's that's

932
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 1: the problem. It's the scaffolding conference. Yeah, I think I agree.

933
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: I'd i'd, for my own romantic and naive reasons, naive

934
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: reasons love for the pack whatever to be some sort

935
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: of viable West Coast thing, because even though the footprint

936
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: isn't there, even the eyeballs and there aren't there, even

937
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,359
Speaker 1: the culture and the passion isn't there in the way

938
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: that it is in the Midwest and the South. I

939
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: think it's important to have successful regions within the sport.

940
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: I'd really do, And that's my own upbringing. That is

941
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: just by the fact that I'm from southern California, i

942
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 1: went to school on the West Coast, and I'm always

943
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: going to have a soft spot for this area of

944
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: the country. But im that would be my actual preference

945
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: over the Big Ten, over the SEC is to figure

946
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 1: out a financial way. It's not realistic. This is the

947
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: fantasy world in which I live, but that's my actual preference.

948
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 2: YEA.

949
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: My second thought, my second closing question for you is,

950
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,399
Speaker 1: and this I think goes right into where your brain

951
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: likes to go. If you feel completely disillusioned by this

952
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: direction of where college football very much appears to be heading,

953
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: what is the best way to pirate ESPN and Fox

954
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 1: so that you do not give any of any of

955
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: your data to them, any of your dollars to them,

956
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: any of your information, any any sort of ratings point

957
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: that is derived from streaming, or like, how do you

958
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: become a Nielsen household? So you go out of your

959
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: way to say that, oh, I'm actually watching Bravo on

960
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 1: Saturday afternoons to give them a hit. What is it

961
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: going to bars all the time so that you know

962
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: you're relying on a bulk watch party, I mean homes.

963
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 2: It's probably going to Amazon and buying one of those

964
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 2: in ten as you can put in the window and

965
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 2: just get it over the year.

966
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 1: I have one of those.

967
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably that, because I don't know how they measure that.

968
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 2: I don't think they can.

969
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 1: Well, they're still going to do Fox Sports one and yes,

970
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: you know ESPN's not on that. So to get to

971
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: get network TV, that's good. Yeah, get over the air

972
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 1: and it's uncompressed.

973
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,479
Speaker 2: I think over the air is probably a safe bet

974
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 2: if you don't want to play into the measurement. Yep,

975
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 2: the cable companies, lord knows, there are a million websites

976
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 2: where you can stream most of them unreliable, most of

977
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 2: them offering on savory band or ads. We've got options

978
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 2: on the internet. We are a connected world these days.

979
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 2: I'm sure there are plenty of ways that you can

980
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 2: access those streams if you really want to.

981
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: I wanted to close on a light note, how to

982
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 1: pirate ESPN and Fox.

983
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 2: I'm down, man, you know I'm down. I'm into it.

984
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: Repository of logins, ty, that's repository off logins dot edu.

985
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Speaker 1: Let's start it and have fun with it. Get a VPN, Yeah,

986
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987
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Speaker 1: hate to be long winded, we hate to be darker

988
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,959
Speaker 1: than we usually are. But this has been a weird

989
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: week of college football. As I said, I think are

990
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 1: our thought and emotions here are still forming as we

991
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,240
Speaker 1: hit that record button. Let us know where you stand

992
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 1: on all things conference re alignment, really, college football realignment reorganization. Uh,

993
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,000
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994
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995
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996
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997
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998
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999
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Speaker 1: the college football world. Because we've got a teaming community

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1001
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1002
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1003
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1005
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Speaker 1: Did everything check out with your physical I'm good, drawn

1009
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Speaker 1: like an ox, I'm good.

1010
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Speaker 2: I'm good.

1011
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: I got a great haircut.

1012
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:05,720
Speaker 2: Wonderful news for that guy over there on the West

1013
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,240
Speaker 2: coast for myself, Ty Hildebrand over here in the East.

1014
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,479
Speaker 2: We will talk to you all next week. In the meantime, yeah,

1015
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 2: stay tuned and stay solid.

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Speaker 1: Peace,