1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:01,280 Speaker 1: And you're here. 2 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 2: Thanks for choosing the iHeartRadio and Coast to Ghost Day 3 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 2: and Paranormal Podcast Network. Your quest for podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,319 Speaker 2: and the unexplained ends here. We invite you to enjoy 5 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 2: all our shows we have on this network, and right now, 6 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 2: let's start with Chase of the Afterlife with Santra Champlain. 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 8 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 9 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 1: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 10 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: to Coast, am employees of Premiere Networks, or their sponsors 11 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi, 13 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been 14 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death. 15 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: Each episode will discuss the reasons we now know that 16 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:09,199 Speaker 1: our loved ones have survived physical death and so will we. 17 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Today, you'll hear three 18 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: new accounts of near death experiences. They all share a 19 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:24,839 Speaker 1: common bond of either seeing or feeling their deceased loved 20 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: ones when they make that transition. I'm always fascinated by 21 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:34,839 Speaker 1: near death experiences. If you remember, six months ago, back 22 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 1: on episode one fifty seven, I spoke with the director 23 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: and the producer of the big movie After Death. It 24 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: was in movie theaters. It was great on the big screen. 25 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: It gave me chills how many experiences were featured in 26 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: the movie, and not only that they were verifiable near 27 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: death experiences. The film is now streaming. You can find 28 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: After Death on Amazon, Prime, YouTube, Apple TV, and others. 29 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,239 Speaker 1: Before we go to our first story, I'm really happy 30 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: about something that I want to share with you. You 31 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: may have heard a couple episodes ago that I had 32 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:24,239 Speaker 1: entered a story about my mom in a contest. While 33 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: that story became a chapter of a book. And although 34 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: the book is just a couple of weeks old, it's 35 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: already hit number seven on Amazon out of thirty eight 36 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: million books. It's being shared all over television. It's called 37 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: Love Mom by doctor Nicole Sapphire. The book is empowering 38 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: and one of the biggest things I want to do 39 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: is when you believe in the reality of the afterlife, 40 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: you live a much more powerful life. One of my 41 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: direction you don't take things as seriously all the time. 42 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: There's forgiveness and so much more. And this book has 43 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: beautiful stories that empower. And here's one little secret. The 44 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: title of my book, We Don't Die, a skeptics discovery 45 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: of life after death, is included in the chapter about 46 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: my Mom. It's happened in the past that people have 47 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: asked Siri on their phone for some news and an 48 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: episode of Shades of the Afterlife comes on. It's happened 49 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: with people who have a smart TV that all of 50 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: a sudden, one of my Sunday Gathering episodes are playing. 51 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: I think our loved ones in spirit direct us to 52 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: things that can help with healing. So I have every 53 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: finger and toe cross that out of the hundreds of 54 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: thousands of people that will read the story about my 55 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: Mom Marian in the Love Mom book, that those grieving 56 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: will see that book title and not only read my book, 57 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: but come join us in our Shades of the Afterlife 58 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: family and ultimately get some much needed support through their loss, 59 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 1: through their grieving and know that their loved ones are 60 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: still alive and that they'll see them again. So thank 61 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,239 Speaker 1: you for letting me share that the book is titled 62 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: Love Mom by doctor Nicole Sapphire, and my mom's chapter 63 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: is number ten, and I can tell you I have 64 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: one happy mother, as she had no idea I was 65 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 1: entering my story about her in this contest. If you're 66 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: looking for a great birthday present, anniversary gift, Mother's Day gift, 67 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: or holiday gift, or just a gift that's said I 68 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: love you. Love Mom is sold wherever you buy books. 69 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 1: So really, thank you for letting me share that. It's 70 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: a big deal to me. Okay, let's hear our first story. 71 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: This is the story of mister John Carter in his 72 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: words told by me. The year was twenty twenty, and 73 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: it wasn't a very good year for a lot of 74 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: people due to COVID, but it definitely wasn't a good 75 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: year for me. In fact, I collapsed in my home 76 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: from sepsis poisoning. And when I collapsed, I wasn't found 77 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: right away. When they finally did, I was rushed to 78 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: the hospital and I died on the emergency table. I 79 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: know this as I was watching the whole experience from 80 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: the ceiling. I was looking down and I was thinking, 81 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: no big deal, I must be dead. I wasn't upset. 82 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: In fact, I was very much at peace. The doctors 83 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: and the nurses were running around my body. One nurse 84 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: was putting a needle into my arm. The other one 85 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: put something over my face and was squeezing a bulb 86 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: type thing, and the doctor said clear. Then he hit 87 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: me with those pads on my chest. I remember initially 88 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,919 Speaker 1: shooting back into my body, and I could feel my 89 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: soul just being sucked right back into the body, and 90 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, boom, I was back on 91 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 1: the ceiling again. This time I started traveling through this 92 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: long tube that maybe was twenty feet wide and twenty 93 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: feet tall. I'm not quite sure, but it was spherical 94 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 1: in shape, and on the walls was my life. And 95 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: as I'm slowly passing through this tube, it was like 96 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: technicolor on the walls, like a movie of all the 97 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 1: happy things that occurred in my life. I saw a 98 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: year after year and experience after experience, being in childhood, 99 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: been teenage, years, young, adulthood, and so forth until my 100 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: present age of sixty one. All this time I'm traveling 101 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: towards this bright light. Soon the tunnel ends and a 102 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: veil opens, and I realize I'm spiritually sick. I was 103 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: thirsty for some meaning and something greater in my life. 104 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: On Earth, I was lying on the ground and someone 105 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: was holding me in their arms. I looked up and 106 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: it was Jesus Christ. I actually freaked out because I 107 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: never thought i'd see him. Then I looked at the 108 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: sky and it was a completely different color blue than 109 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: anything I've ever seen before. We don't have that color 110 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: blue here on Earth. It was absolutely gorgeous. Jesus had 111 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: a wooden spoon and dipped it down into an old 112 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: wooden bucket. He gave me water to drink and said, 113 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: in the name of the Father. The water was refreshing, 114 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: and it flowed down my throat, some over my head, 115 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: down my face, down into my soul completely. All I 116 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: could feel was love, And as I looked into his eyes, 117 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: I could see so much love and compassion and kindness 118 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: and generosity. It moved me to my core. My heart 119 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: grew with love. I felt like my heart grew fifty 120 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: times its normal size. And Jesus helped me to my feet, 121 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: and in front of me were gorgeous rolling hills with 122 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: beautiful flowers and plants, again, all seeming so alive with 123 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: colors I've never seen before. Jesus turned my head, and 124 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: then I saw a huge crowd of people, probably, I 125 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: don't know, ten thousand people in this field. In the 126 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: front of the group were relatives of mine who had passed. 127 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 1: They were all there. I got a chance to see 128 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: my mom and my dad, and my aunts and my uncles. 129 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: But before I could say hello to them, immediately to 130 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: my left, I saw a huge angel. His wings were 131 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: just so white and pure. He had beautiful blonde hair. 132 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: He had an armored chest plate and armor anklets over 133 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: his ankles, and he had a sword on his left side. 134 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: And he smiled to me, and I said, Jesus, my gosh, 135 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: that's a beautiful angel. Who is that And he said, 136 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: that's Michael. He's my archangel. He is the one who 137 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: brought you here. John. And I said, Jesus, I don't 138 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: think I'm worthy to be here. I was a pretty 139 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: bad sinner on earth. I did things that I know 140 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: you wouldn't be proud of. Jesus smiled at me with 141 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: that loving smile in those eyes of his and he said, John, 142 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: the first shall be the last, and the last shall 143 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: be first. I remember thinking what does that mean? Then 144 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: he said, John, and my father house. There are many mansions. 145 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 1: There's a place for you, your family, all of your 146 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: friends and their family as well. I felt very happy, 147 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: and then I got a chance to meet Saint Francis 148 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: of Assissi. I also got to meet Padre Pio, who 149 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: gave me a big hug, but I didn't know who 150 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: he was. I researched him when I got back, saw 151 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: his picture and said, oh my gosh, that's the guy 152 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: I met in heaven. Jesus finally led me to the 153 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 1: crowd and I hugged them all. First, it was my 154 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: mom and dad. 155 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 3: Oh. 156 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: I was just so happy to see them. My mom 157 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: was so happy to see me too, and she gave 158 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: me the biggest hug, and my dad too. Then I 159 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: saw my niece, who had died of a diabetic coma 160 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: when she was just nine years old. She said hi, 161 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 1: Uncle Johnny and gave me another big hug. Then Jesus 162 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 1: told me, I want you to know something. He said, 163 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: I'm not very happy right now with the way the 164 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: world is. There's too much hate in the world. I'm 165 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: going to send you back and I want you to 166 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: give a message to people on earth. And he told 167 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: me it may take a while. Even my whole life. 168 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 1: I want you to tell people to love one another 169 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: and to take care of one another, and to be 170 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: kind to one another, and always love another and look 171 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: out for one another as I love you all. He 172 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: spoke of that same love that a three year old 173 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: child would bring their mother or father, and that they 174 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: would have for the child, innocent love. No matter who 175 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: people are, or what they believe or what they do, 176 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: they are worthy of love. And then I was taken 177 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: aback by the fact that he said, now I'm going 178 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: to send you back. After he told me all this, 179 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: I thought, oh boy, how is this going to work. 180 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: Even though I was confused and overwhelmed, I felt a 181 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: little tired, and I fell asleep in the field. That's 182 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: when I woke up in the intensive care unit. Through 183 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: the glass, I could see my daughter and my son 184 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: looking at me, crying, smiling, and I gave them a 185 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: thumbs up, letting them know that I'll be okay. After 186 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: that experience, I lived my life humbly, and I know 187 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: that it's okay not to be perfect, and that we 188 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: all make mistakes. I wasn't religious before this experience, but 189 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: I know and believe Jesus wants us all to know 190 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: that we are loved very much. But the real message 191 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: is he wants us all to learn to love each other. 192 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: And that experience again is by John Carter. Let's go 193 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 1: to our first break and then we'll be back with 194 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 1: another amazing and near death experience. You're listening to Shades 195 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast 196 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: am Pironormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. 197 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain. Here is your next near death experience. 198 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: This is told by Vincent Tolman, who had a near 199 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 1: death experience at the age of twenty five. He was 200 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: found dead in the bathroom of a small restaurant, and 201 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,439 Speaker 1: he had been dead for over a half an hour. 202 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: When the paramedics arrived. They put him in a body 203 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: bag and took him away. Thankfully, a rookie paramedic had 204 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: a feeling to risk his career, break all protocols and 205 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: try to resuscitate Vincent. He started Vincent's heart and Vincent 206 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: was in a coma for three days. Here's Vincent's story. 207 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: I died on the bathroom floor of a Utah dairy 208 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: queen on a cold night in January. My friend and 209 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: I had taken a weight loss supplement that we had 210 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: bought online, but the moment we consumed it, I knew 211 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: that there was something wrong. We rushed to the closest 212 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: restaurant in the hope that some food would make us 213 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: feel better. Instead, I started to feel extremely nauseous, so 214 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: I locked myself in a bathroom cubicle. Suddenly, an ice 215 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: cold chill came over my body, rushing over my thighs 216 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: and into my chest, and then the world began to spin. 217 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: I collapsed, and the next thing I knew, I was 218 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: looking down at myself from above. This world felt like 219 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: it had no ceiling, and as I watched, calmly, paramedics 220 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: rushed into the bathroom and worked on my body. I 221 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: describe it as the body because I didn't recognize myself 222 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: at first. The person I saw didn't look like me. 223 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: His face was bright purple and had specks of yellow 224 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: in it. It looked like a fake dead body. I 225 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: watched his Emergency services tried to resuscitate the man, but 226 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: shortly after they stopped and gave up. They zipped him 227 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: up in a bright yellow body bag and carried him 228 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: into the back of an ambulance. I kept following the 229 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: man as the ambulance drove off. About forty five minutes 230 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: into the journey to the hospital, a medic who was 231 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: on his first week of the job, decided to try 232 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: to feel for a pulse one more time. After several 233 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: minutes of checking and rechecking, the medics said he felt 234 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: a faint pulse on my leg. He jumped into action 235 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: and started feeding oxygen into my lungs and hooked up 236 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: a defibrillator. There were no results after the first shock wave, 237 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: but after the second round he got one heartbeat, and 238 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: after that another until he finally got a steady heartbeat. 239 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: It was faint, but it was steady, and it was 240 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: enough that it was sustaining life. When they wheeled the 241 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: body into the hospital, it started seizing and vomiting. In 242 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: an effort to restrain the arms and legs, they strapped 243 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: them all on a bed. Suddenly, I felt someone strapping 244 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: my left arm and it hit me the body was, 245 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: in fact my own. It felt so gut wrenching. How 246 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: could I have been watching my own death this whole time. 247 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: I was in a coma for three days, officially declared 248 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: brain dead by the doctors. They told my family that 249 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: I had little chance of survival. But in those three days, 250 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: I believe I traveled to the other side. I first 251 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: felt warmth starting to come from behind me, warming my back, 252 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, I could feel how 253 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: important I was, and I could feel how loved I was. 254 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: There was nothing I could do to make myself more 255 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 1: important or less important. I started seeing all of the 256 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,199 Speaker 1: good things I ever did. There was a lot of 257 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: really good things I had done that I had forgotten about. 258 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 1: There were times where I didn't know I was doing good, 259 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: but I was doing good. So I got to see 260 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: there was far more good than there was bad, and 261 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: I started to feel that I was worth salvaging. And 262 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: that's when I realized that this love was coming from 263 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: the direction behind me. So I turned around and I 264 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 1: saw this man there, this amazing man, just dressed in white. 265 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 1: And the first thought I had was this is God. 266 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: And he laughed and said, no, I'm not God. I'm 267 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: just your guide. I'm here to help you go wherever 268 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 1: you want to go. And that's when we began our journey. 269 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: So he went ahead and helped me understand I could 270 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: go back to my body or I could go anywhere 271 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: in the universe. I felt this profound love coming from him, 272 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: and as I felt that love, I knew that was 273 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 1: something I really needed. It was something I didn't have 274 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: in my life. So I asked him where's this energy 275 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: coming from? And he explained that that was the energy 276 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: of home. So I proceeded to say, Hey, let's go home. 277 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: I want to go home. This life on earth was 278 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: a life of abuse and trauma, and this love felt 279 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: healing to me. My guide said I was already home 280 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: and there was no place to go. Then he introduced 281 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 1: himself as Drake. Drake helped me understand that the most 282 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: important thing in this life is being authentic, and I 283 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: needed to find out who I authentically was. He helped 284 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: me see that in my life there were different versions 285 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: of me. One version of who I'd be with my 286 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 1: mom and dad, another version of who I'd be with 287 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,040 Speaker 1: my friends, and another version of who I would be 288 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: going to work. He helped me understand that I could 289 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: stitch together a core of who I was between all 290 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: of these situations, and that was my true authentic self. 291 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: Drake said, we can all grow the authentic aspects of 292 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: who we are and that gets us ready to go 293 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: home to heaven, because that's where we're all going. There's 294 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: divine purpose in our life. The earth is like a classroom, 295 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: not a courtroom. No matter what religion teaches you, it's 296 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: always been a classroom. But it's one of the hardest 297 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 1: schools there is because there's so much resistance and so 298 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: much hardship. You live a lot harder life here on earth, 299 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 1: but you gain so much more than you do in 300 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: other schools. I also learned that love was so important 301 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: in life. Drake helped me understand that we can't feel 302 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: love or even share love until we can be authentic 303 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: and understand who we are and why we're here. Once 304 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: I put those two things together, I could actually love 305 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: someone else and love myself. He helped me understand that 306 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: our creator loves us all so much that our Creator 307 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: has left us all with an inner voice. It could 308 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: be called the spirit, It could be called intuition, and 309 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: it could be called gut instinct. And if we want to, 310 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: we can turn it on and we can strengthen it. Also. 311 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: He also spoke about technology. Technology can either lift us 312 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: up or tear us down. And if you're not sure 313 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 1: what it's doing to you, it's probably tearing you down. 314 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: Technology is a form of energy, something that could be 315 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:45,439 Speaker 1: used for greater good or greater bad. The difference is 316 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: up to us. I personally subscribe to something called the 317 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: hour of Power, where I will make sure whatever I'm 318 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 1: doing first thing in the morning for thirty minutes and 319 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: the last thing I do for thirty minutes of the 320 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: day is sacred time for me to remember who I am. 321 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 1: We all are spiritual beings living a physical experience, so 322 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: it's important for us to really set an intention and 323 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: set into motion love in that sacred space. And as 324 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: we do that, we put really good stuff in there. 325 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: We start transforming into a better person, into a great being, 326 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: into the life we want to have, and it puts 327 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: us in the driver's seat and not like. Drake helped 328 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: me understand that this midway point of going to heaven, 329 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: there's a fence in the middle, and the fence that 330 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: slows everyone down is called prejudice. He helped me understand 331 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 1: that I needed to release all prejudice. And I said, Drake, 332 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: you're talking to the one guy who has no prejudice 333 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 1: in his life. I really believed that at the time 334 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 1: I have two Korean sisters. I felt that I was 335 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: the least racist person I knew and the least prejudiced 336 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: person in the whole world. And he lovingly put his 337 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: arm on my shoulder and said, Vinnie, I'm so grateful 338 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: that you feel you don't have any prejudice, But how 339 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: do you feel about people who do have prejudices? And 340 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: that's when I said, I'll tell you about prejudiced people. 341 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,479 Speaker 1: They are so closed minded, they're ridiculous. I can't believe 342 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 1: they choose race or religion or lifestyle and ostracize and 343 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 1: cut other people out. I told him I hated prejudiced people, 344 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 1: so they should just let me get into heaven. He 345 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: lovingly showed me that I was joining the prejudice team 346 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: by hating prejudiced people. Then Drake showed me one of 347 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: the most prejudiced people I knew in my life. He 348 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: showed me that other person's path and said, if I 349 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 1: could walk a mile in their shoes, I would understand 350 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 1: their feelings and why they are the way they are. 351 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: But I still didn't agree with them in any shape 352 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 1: or form, but I understood. He taught me that we 353 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: can show love and poor love on the most prejudiced 354 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: people in the world, and we can pull them out. 355 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: There's power in us, there's power in creation. There's power 356 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 1: in our thoughts that we literally create with our thoughts. 357 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: If we can control our thoughts, we can control our 358 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:31,360 Speaker 1: creation no matter what life is throwing at us. If 359 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 1: we can control our thoughts, we can control the outcome. 360 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: The next step towards my progress was to understand that 361 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: if my thoughts could create, how important would it be 362 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: for me to avoid negative influences? Because if I put 363 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 1: negative influences on my thoughts, I'll start thinking about negative things, 364 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: and so I need to really seek out positive influences 365 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: and experiences and avoid negative ones in all their forms. 366 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: Negative influences can be entertainment, can be the news, they 367 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 1: can be some friends. There are different apps on our 368 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: phone that increase trauma or increase reactivity to another and 369 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: that was really important for me to understand that as 370 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: we avoid negative influences, we also find that negativity has 371 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: a purpose. Without a bad choice, there is no good choice. 372 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: It's very important that we have the option of the 373 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 1: negative so that we get to choose, because if we 374 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: remove all bad choices, if we remove the negative, there's 375 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: nothing to be learned. We are here to learn. This 376 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 1: is a classroom. The last thing I learned with Drake 377 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: before I got into heaven was that we are all one. 378 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: We're not one being, but we're one in unity, in purpose, 379 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: in light, and in love. And for us to hurt 380 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:06,679 Speaker 1: or harm another, it only hurts ourselves. There's not a 381 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 1: way to win. Everyone loses in the war. This is 382 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: a good time to take our break. Before he starts 383 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: his next topic, Vincent continues his story of his near 384 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 1: death experience, his insights from it, finding heaven on Earth, 385 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: and who Drake ended up being. Let's go to the 386 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: break and we'll be right back. You're listening to Shades 387 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast, 388 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: a m paranormal podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of 389 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: the Afterlife, Sandra Champlain. I'm telling the story of Vincent Tolman, 390 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: who had a near death experience after taking a weight 391 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: loss supplement at the age of twenty five. Paramedics had 392 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: put him in a body bag thinking he was dead, 393 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: and thankfully one paramedic knew better and was able to 394 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: bring him back. Incredible story. Last he was talking about 395 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: some insights while he was on the other side, including 396 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: that our life is a classroom here on Earth, not 397 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 1: a courtroom, so let's continue. By the time I finished 398 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: that last principle or understanding with Drake, I actually touched 399 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 1: down in this tremendous place that's heaven, and yes, it's 400 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 1: a very real place. I saw the most beautiful hills 401 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: and mountains, and I could feel the love of our 402 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: creator from just the grass. The grass itself loved every 403 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: cell of who I was. I could feel the individual 404 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: perception and understanding of each blade of grass. It was 405 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: life changing because as I touched down into space, I 406 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,719 Speaker 1: felt connection. I actually felt like I was a phone 407 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 1: on low battery. There was a missing charger, and when 408 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 1: I plugged in there, I felt like I was home, 409 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: like that was my charger, and I could feel the 410 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 1: energy exchange that was happening and all the healing that 411 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: was happening to me. I got to see the trees 412 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: and the flowers. I got to see the water. The 413 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: water was my favorite of all of it. As I 414 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 1: approached this edge of the little stream, the water asked 415 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: me if it wanted it on me. Of course I 416 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: wanted it. I wanted the whole experience, whatever version I 417 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,679 Speaker 1: could get. I said, yes, yes, I want this, And 418 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: so the water darted at my toes and started going 419 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: all over my body. But it wasn't making me feel 420 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: wet whatsoever. It made me feel warm but also cool. 421 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 1: And everywhere that water touched I became whole and felt loved. 422 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 1: I became perfected, and I became free of defect from 423 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: this life, this human life. And you know, I was 424 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,439 Speaker 1: raised in a very rough upbringing, so I had a 425 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: lot of cracks and holes and abuse that needed healing. 426 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 1: And I was allowed to receive this healing. And as 427 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: I was experiencing all of that, my guide Drake came 428 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: up to me, put his arm around me and looked 429 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: me straight in the eyes and said, Bennie, this is 430 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: going to be hard, but it is going to be 431 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: worth it. And as he said that, I could feel 432 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: him like reaching into my soul and brought me into 433 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: this giant hug. What we do on Earth when we connect, 434 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: or we have sex or hug or have any it's 435 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: just a tiny mimic of what a hug feels like 436 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: in Heaven. It's way more beautiful than anything you can 437 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: experience on this earthly plane, and right as we were 438 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: ending that hug and starting to come apart, I heard 439 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: this special blessing being given to my body. Now, meanwhile, 440 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: I was in a coma for three days, and at 441 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: the end of my third day, my brother was in 442 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: my hospital room and he was giving my body a 443 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: special prayer. As he was saying that prayer, I was 444 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: hearing it in my ear. I could see him standing 445 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: by my body and saying a prayer over my body. 446 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: I felt the tremendous love that my brother had for me. 447 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: You know, my brother and me, we didn't always see 448 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: eye to eye, but I felt so strongly how much 449 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: he loved me. I felt the power of that love. 450 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: And as I felt that power, I felt something pulling 451 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: me and yanking me from my heaven space where I 452 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: wanted to stay, and forcing me back into my body. 453 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: And by the time he said amen, I was back 454 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: in my body. I woke up at one eleven in 455 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: the morning. I yanked out all of the tubes that 456 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,719 Speaker 1: were going into me because I was extremely claustrophobic. I 457 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: wanted out of that hospital, but it took about six 458 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: and a half hours of them testing me to make 459 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 1: sure I was okay and doing paperwork for me being released. 460 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: That was three days I was in the coma and 461 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: after that I was completely fine and healed. I was 462 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: even described as a miracle by my neurologist. That's where 463 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: my experience takes a hard turn, because after that experience, 464 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: I felt extremely depressed. I had been in heaven and 465 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,959 Speaker 1: now I'm on earth. I didn't want to be alive. 466 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: I wanted to go back to my home. I didn't 467 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: want to be here, and I kept hearing Drake in 468 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: my mind saying, Vinnie, remember this is going to be 469 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: very hard, but it's going to be worth it. So 470 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: I stuck it out until I met my wife, Andrea, 471 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: and she was my saving grace. She was the one 472 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: who helped me realize that there was heaven here on earth, 473 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: and in her eyes I could see heaven. Then the 474 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: strangest thing happened. I was at this little town in 475 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: Wyoming where my grandmother lived, and I saw a history presentation. 476 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: Then I saw my guide, Drake's picture come up on 477 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: the screen. Now, it was just an old black and 478 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: white photo, but it was him, no doubt about it. 479 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 1: But it didn't say his name was Drake. It said 480 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: his name was Charles, but I recognized the last name 481 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: and I knew it was my grandmother's maiden name. So 482 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: I went to my grandmother and said, who is this Charles? 483 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: And her exact response was, oh, you mean great Grandpa Drake. 484 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: He's famous in our family. And my mind was blown. 485 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: That did it. This was all a very real experience. 486 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: It wasn't a delusion, and it wasn't my imagination. And 487 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: now I was fully able to take it and do 488 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 1: something with it and make a difference for people with it. 489 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 1: I am often asked if there is anything that happened 490 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: during my experience that I don't normally talk about, and 491 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: yes there is. I saw our future as a society 492 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: and it looks way different than we are right now, 493 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: and it's taken years and years for me to unpack 494 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,959 Speaker 1: how that transition happens from who we are now to 495 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: who we become. No matter what the news wants to 496 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: tell you, no matter what Chicken Little is saying about 497 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: the sky falling, I want you to know that our 498 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: future is absolutely right and freaking amazing. Now, society and 499 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: humanity choose the light. They choose not to exist in 500 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: a cage of fear because if you allow fear to 501 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: cage you, it will. And so somehow we get out 502 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: of all of these cages of fear and we start 503 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: building communities all over the world in love. These special locations, 504 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: build cities of light. That's our future, and I feel 505 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: that it will start in my lifetime and we'll see 506 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: those cities come together and start forming. I've now seen 507 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: how that process happens. But the scary part is for 508 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: most of the world is the process of getting ready 509 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: for those cities of light. There's going to be a 510 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: very big separation between fear and love. Most of the 511 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: earth right now chooses the fear path. We jump into 512 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,959 Speaker 1: those cages of fear for safety. But for me, I 513 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: choose love because knowing that we don't die is one 514 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: of the best gifts. I'm so excited when I get 515 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: to finally go back home. I really wanted to stay 516 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,720 Speaker 1: in heaven. And when I have friends die or family 517 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: members die, I know I will feel sad and feel 518 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 1: sad for the survivors, absolutely, but I know they live 519 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: on right now. I do have jealousy when someone dies, 520 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,359 Speaker 1: I know where they are. If you had my experience, 521 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,399 Speaker 1: you'd feel the same way. You'd want to be back 522 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 1: there with them celebrating. And that story is from a 523 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,399 Speaker 1: Vincent Tolman, and he has written a book and it's 524 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: called The Light After Death, My Journey to Heaven and Back. Next, 525 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:51,399 Speaker 1: you'll hear Nurse Wanda Hawk tell her story. She does 526 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: have a bird in the room, so if you hear 527 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 1: some chirps in the background, you know what it is. 528 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 3: When I was just nine years old, there was a 529 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 3: family picnic where my father and his best friend and 530 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,839 Speaker 3: his family and a couple of other people went up 531 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 3: to a lake. We ended up having a very bad 532 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 3: boating accident where we ended up losing my father's friend's wife. 533 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 3: Her name was Nora, my father, and then also my 534 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 3: older sister, Debbie, who was not quite twelve at the time. 535 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 3: The boat was just a little fishing boat that was 536 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 3: only supposed to hold five, and it was overloaded with 537 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 3: eight of us. There was Bob and his wife, and 538 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 3: there two very small children who were still in diapers 539 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 3: at the time, my mother and us three children. Oh, 540 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 3: my brother was younger than me and he was in 541 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 3: the boat also, So there was eight of us in 542 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 3: the boat and we started out for a boat ride 543 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 3: and somewhere along the way, the motor conked out and 544 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 3: the boat flipped over and nobody could swim. What I 545 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 3: was told happened was my brother had a fake leather 546 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 3: jacket that he's got really tight, and it got un 547 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,839 Speaker 3: air underneath it and acted as a life jacket for him, 548 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 3: and apparently I was hanging on to him somehow underneath 549 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 3: the water. They did what they had to to find everybody. 550 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 3: When they found me, I was lifeless. I didn't see 551 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,399 Speaker 3: a light, I didn't see a stairway or anything like that. 552 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 3: I ended up being in this room that was in 553 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 3: semi darkness. There were lots and lots of people in 554 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 3: this room. I describe it now as a family reunion. 555 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,880 Speaker 3: It was like everybody knew me, and everybody was related 556 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 3: to me, and some were friends and some were family, 557 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 3: and there was just so much love. And it was 558 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 3: like sitting by a fireplace with a warm quilt on. 559 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 3: It was that much love. So I'm looking around and 560 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 3: I'm a little confused, but I'm also very happy. And 561 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 3: suddenly I hear my grandmother's voice. Granny had died the 562 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 3: year before, and she said to me, Wanda, it's not 563 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 3: your time. You have to go back and I said 564 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 3: to her, but Granny, I want to stay with you. 565 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 3: And then I heard my father's voice, which was very 566 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 3: confusing to me, and he said, no, one, it's time 567 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,400 Speaker 3: for you to go back, and I need you to 568 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,280 Speaker 3: promise me that you'll take care of your mother. I said, okay, Daddy, 569 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,279 Speaker 3: but I want to stay, and he said, no, it's 570 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 3: time to go back. I wanted to tell you what 571 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 3: I was told happened while I was on the other side. 572 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 3: The motor comped doubt, the boat started taking on water. 573 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,840 Speaker 3: My mother and Norah started to panic and they stood 574 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 3: up when they realized the water was coming in the boat, 575 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 3: and it was there standing up that flipped the boat 576 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 3: and it was, as you know, capsized and the bottom 577 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 3: was on the top. Nobody could swim, not Bob, not 578 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 3: my mother, not Norah. None of us children had ever 579 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 3: had swimming lessons at the time. 580 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,879 Speaker 1: I'd like to take our break here. When we get back, 581 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 1: she'll continue the boating story and tell us of her 582 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:02,240 Speaker 1: second near death experience. Right back. You're listening to Shades 583 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,760 Speaker 1: of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast 584 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 1: AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. 585 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain. We'll continue with the words of nurse Wanda, 586 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 1: who shared about her near death experience when a family 587 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,880 Speaker 1: boat capsized, killing her dad, her sister, and her dad's 588 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 1: best friend. 589 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 3: Nobody could swim, not Bob, not my mother, not Norah. 590 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 3: None of us children had ever had swimming lessons at 591 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 3: the time. What I was told was my sister Debbie 592 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 3: started to panic and as they say, you're ten times 593 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,320 Speaker 3: stronger when you panic. In her panicking, she grabbed onto Nora, 594 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,279 Speaker 3: and we were told that that's how Nara drowned was 595 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 3: Debbie pulled her under on the other side. While things 596 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 3: were happening and the people realized that there had been 597 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 3: an accident, my father and the two men also ran 598 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 3: around to try to get closer to the area. They 599 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 3: were able to find another boat eventually and get everybody 600 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,719 Speaker 3: as they could, but they didn't put mother back into 601 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 3: the boat because they were afraid that that boat was 602 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,759 Speaker 3: also going to capsize. They were able to find Nora 603 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,319 Speaker 3: right away when the alarm was sounded, but it took 604 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,840 Speaker 3: over two days for them to find my father and 605 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,360 Speaker 3: my sister. I just think it just shows the love 606 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,480 Speaker 3: that my father sacrificed to be able to get to 607 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,319 Speaker 3: my sister, because when they didn't find him, he was 608 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 3: floating by this point, and when they went to pick 609 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,920 Speaker 3: him up, he literally had his arms around my sister 610 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,800 Speaker 3: and they were able to get them both together that way. 611 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,799 Speaker 3: It took maybe three days before I even saw my 612 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,720 Speaker 3: mother again. One of my uncles came up and brought 613 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,839 Speaker 3: my brother and I back to the city, and we 614 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 3: stayed with them until mother was able to come and 615 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,839 Speaker 3: tell us that Dad and Debbie were no longer with us. 616 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 3: With the boat accident, Nora, she drowned, my sister drowned, 617 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,040 Speaker 3: and my father also, even though he was on the shore, 618 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,920 Speaker 3: ran around the lake and jumped past a swampy area 619 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 3: and jumped into a boat that had no oars, so 620 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 3: he started swimming towards where the boat had been overturned. Now, 621 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,759 Speaker 3: my father was a very good swimmer. He used to 622 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,680 Speaker 3: swim the width of a river that she near our place, 623 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 3: the Ottawa River, as a teenager, just for fun, so 624 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,000 Speaker 3: he was a very good swimmer. But by the time 625 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,720 Speaker 3: he had gotten to the boat, my sister had panicked 626 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,160 Speaker 3: and had already pulled down Bob's wife, Norah and as 627 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,560 Speaker 3: I said, she drowned. By the time my father got 628 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 3: to Debbie, she also pulled him under and he also died. 629 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 3: So in that day we lost three people. But I 630 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 3: had this really amazing life changing visions, near death experience, 631 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 3: whatever people want to call it. People have told me 632 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 3: all kinds of things over the years, but that was 633 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,840 Speaker 3: my first one as a child, and it really changed 634 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 3: my life because as a nine ten year old girl, 635 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,840 Speaker 3: I would get myself up on Sundays and take myself 636 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,239 Speaker 3: to Sunday school. Religion was a very strong part of 637 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,040 Speaker 3: my life for the whole of my life, and I 638 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:33,600 Speaker 3: really feel it's because of that interaction with minor death experience. 639 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:38,040 Speaker 3: I didn't see anybody that I would say was God 640 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,040 Speaker 3: or angels or anything like that. I think what I 641 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:48,160 Speaker 3: mostly felt was the overwhelming love, whether it come from 642 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 3: my reunion family or from a higher source. Because I 643 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,839 Speaker 3: was so young, I really couldn't tell you that. But 644 00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,279 Speaker 3: as I said, because of that experience, it really did 645 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,160 Speaker 3: change my life life, believing in God and doing good 646 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,640 Speaker 3: things for people throughout my life. So this is my 647 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:11,120 Speaker 3: second near death. I was very young. I was twenty 648 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,799 Speaker 3: twenty two, maybe working as a nurse full time and 649 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,160 Speaker 3: I needed to have my wisdom teeth out, but I 650 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,600 Speaker 3: was asthmatic at the time, and the dentist wasn't comfortable 651 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,840 Speaker 3: with doing it in the office, so he made arrangements 652 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,759 Speaker 3: for me to go to day surgery have all four 653 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,360 Speaker 3: of my wisdom teeth out, then they could monitor me 654 00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,520 Speaker 3: before they sent me home. So the day came and 655 00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,760 Speaker 3: we ended up having to go to a small town 656 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,680 Speaker 3: about two hours from here in order to have it 657 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,879 Speaker 3: done because the waiting list was way too long for 658 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,120 Speaker 3: another to go to a hospital here in Ottawa. So 659 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,840 Speaker 3: I went and it was your usual prep and things 660 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,560 Speaker 3: went well in the surgery. I guess what happened was 661 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,000 Speaker 3: because of the anesthesia, I'd stopped breathing and my heart 662 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,839 Speaker 3: had stopped. In the recovery room, and remember I was 663 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,640 Speaker 3: a nursed at the time. All the bells and whistles 664 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,799 Speaker 3: going off, and somebody bringing the crash cart over to 665 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,799 Speaker 3: the patient in the bed. I was standing in the 666 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,720 Speaker 3: corner and I was watching this and I'm thinking, oh, 667 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,440 Speaker 3: I better get over there and do my job. So 668 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,800 Speaker 3: I went over to the bed and I was getting 669 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,440 Speaker 3: very angry because I couldn't get in close to the 670 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,640 Speaker 3: bed to the patient. The people were all doing their 671 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,120 Speaker 3: things around me and get me this, and get me that, 672 00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,799 Speaker 3: and keep doing this, and okay, take over CPR, you know, 673 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,919 Speaker 3: the whole thing. But they wouldn't let me do my job, 674 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,560 Speaker 3: and it was really starting to piss me off. But 675 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,240 Speaker 3: the next thing you know, I'm up on the ceiling 676 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,839 Speaker 3: or from a higher plane and I'm looking down and 677 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,239 Speaker 3: it was like, oh, that's me. So I'm watching them 678 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 3: working on me, and I'm listening to what they're saying, 679 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,200 Speaker 3: and I'm thinking wow, And I just watched from there. 680 00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,279 Speaker 3: And so next thing you know, wop, I'm back in 681 00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:00,680 Speaker 3: my body and I wake up and they say, take 682 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,960 Speaker 3: it easy. You had a little complication after, but you're fine. Now. 683 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,200 Speaker 3: We're going to keep you under observation for a little 684 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,160 Speaker 3: while and then we're going to send you home. And 685 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,360 Speaker 3: I said, did my heart stop? I said, I died? 686 00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:13,880 Speaker 3: And the doctor looked at me and said, what are 687 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,120 Speaker 3: you talking about? And I said, my heart stopped. I said, 688 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,440 Speaker 3: I saw you do the CPR. And he said, what 689 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,160 Speaker 3: do you mean. I said, I saw the crash card. 690 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,400 Speaker 3: I saw you guys working on me. He said, no, no, no, no, 691 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 3: you didn't see any of that. He said, Wanda, your nurse. 692 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,959 Speaker 3: You know how it goes the steps to get somebody going. 693 00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:29,920 Speaker 3: You weren't gone for that long, but we got you 694 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,040 Speaker 3: going again, and you're fine. And then I looked at 695 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,120 Speaker 3: him straight in the eye and I said, now, I 696 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,000 Speaker 3: don't remember what I told him, but I told him 697 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,120 Speaker 3: something that he'd said to a nurse in the room 698 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,799 Speaker 3: while this was all going, and it was something that 699 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,560 Speaker 3: wasn't normal, not something that you would normally say in 700 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,840 Speaker 3: a code. And he looked at me and his face 701 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,839 Speaker 3: just went white. He said, oh, and he couldn't get 702 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,600 Speaker 3: out of there fast enough. So I thought that was 703 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,080 Speaker 3: very interesting. I told my mother on the way home, 704 00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,719 Speaker 3: and she had the same reaction as the doctor, and 705 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,640 Speaker 3: so I really didn't think much of it. But that 706 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,239 Speaker 3: really changed my life also, because, as I said, I 707 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,799 Speaker 3: was nursing at the time, and whenever I got the 708 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,560 Speaker 3: chance and there was a patient that I knew was 709 00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,360 Speaker 3: near dying a few days away, or they didn't have 710 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,719 Speaker 3: a lot of family or that type of thing, the 711 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,440 Speaker 3: staff knew where to find me. All the time. I 712 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,200 Speaker 3: would always be in that room, and I always found 713 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,719 Speaker 3: they were more peaceful, and so was I when I 714 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,840 Speaker 3: was in the room with them, And I'm not saying 715 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,040 Speaker 3: it's because it was me that was in the room, 716 00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,640 Speaker 3: but it was because there was somebody there that cared, 717 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,240 Speaker 3: even if I had just met them the night before, 718 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,279 Speaker 3: or they came in three days ago, or they'd been 719 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:45,400 Speaker 3: in with us for a month actively dying. I spent 720 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:49,759 Speaker 3: that time with them, gently talking to them, assuring them 721 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,239 Speaker 3: that things are all right. Soon they would be out 722 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,080 Speaker 3: of pain, and I'm right here, and anything I could 723 00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,120 Speaker 3: do that I could think would make them comfortable. But 724 00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,799 Speaker 3: mostly I just sat there and talked quietly or read 725 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,839 Speaker 3: a book. Sometimes I would just bring a book with 726 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,640 Speaker 3: me if it was the middle of the night. Which 727 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:09,680 Speaker 3: brings me to a very interesting phenomenon that happened not once, 728 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:15,080 Speaker 3: but twice. And I honestly believe that I saw two 729 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,359 Speaker 3: souls leave their body at the moment of death, and 730 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:22,439 Speaker 3: both times were different. The first time, again, like I said, 731 00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,319 Speaker 3: it was at the moment of death. Nurses know and 732 00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:30,080 Speaker 3: practisers know that there's noises that bodies makes, and you know, 733 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,399 Speaker 3: the settling, and I hate the word, but they call 734 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:37,040 Speaker 3: it the death rattle. The first patient I saw something, 735 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:42,280 Speaker 3: it was just very much like, think of somebody who's vaping, 736 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:47,040 Speaker 3: who's just taken a big puff of their ease cigarette 737 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,520 Speaker 3: and they're letting you go. And that's what I saw, 738 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:55,240 Speaker 3: was this mist rose from the body near the heart 739 00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,280 Speaker 3: and it just floated and then dissipated in the air. 740 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,440 Speaker 3: And I thought, wow, And I took my stethoscope and 741 00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,439 Speaker 3: put it on their heart and checked the time of death, 742 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,400 Speaker 3: the usual nursing things. The second time, I was again 743 00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,200 Speaker 3: with a patient, and this time it was a woman. 744 00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,360 Speaker 3: She was very chatty and very friendly when she was 745 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,080 Speaker 3: with us before, and that type of thing, and you 746 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,160 Speaker 3: get to know their families. The family had decided that 747 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,360 Speaker 3: they were going to go and have a meal or 748 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,279 Speaker 3: go and get some rest or whatever, and I said, 749 00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,359 Speaker 3: don't worry, I'm here. I'll watch over her. And so 750 00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,439 Speaker 3: I did have a few minutes and I snuck into 751 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,560 Speaker 3: her room and I was sitting beside her, and I said, hey, 752 00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,279 Speaker 3: miss Is, I'm here. The family's just gone out, but 753 00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,920 Speaker 3: i'll be with you while you're here. And as I 754 00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,680 Speaker 3: was sitting there, out of the corner of my eye, 755 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,800 Speaker 3: I literally see her sit up, not her the body, 756 00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,319 Speaker 3: but her an essence of her. I don't want to 757 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,160 Speaker 3: use the term ghost, but that's the best way I 758 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,879 Speaker 3: could describe it. It was just an essence of her. 759 00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,400 Speaker 3: She literally sat up in the bed and she looked around, 760 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:05,120 Speaker 3: and then she got up on a plane that I 761 00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:09,720 Speaker 3: didn't see, a level that I wasn't seeing myself. She 762 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,239 Speaker 3: stood straight up, and she turned around and she looked 763 00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,800 Speaker 3: at herself, and then she just walked off. And again 764 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,600 Speaker 3: I checked her pulse and I checked her heart rate, 765 00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,759 Speaker 3: and she was gone. That was very profound to me. 766 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,960 Speaker 3: Sitting with the patients and being with them near their 767 00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:33,920 Speaker 3: time was very special to me, and I found comfort 768 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,239 Speaker 3: for myself and I found a lot of peace with it. 769 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,279 Speaker 3: I don't necessarily tell that story very often, but when 770 00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,520 Speaker 3: I say that I found it very peaceful to be 771 00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:48,799 Speaker 3: sitting with dying patients, they think I'm crazy. But I've 772 00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,399 Speaker 3: noticed a trend in the last i don't know, ten 773 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:56,120 Speaker 3: or fifteen years that now there's something called a death doula, 774 00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,440 Speaker 3: and I really feel like that's something that I would 775 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,720 Speaker 3: love to do, and I would love to be able 776 00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,520 Speaker 3: to be given that chance and be able to have 777 00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:09,439 Speaker 3: the gift of being with people as they are near 778 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:14,000 Speaker 3: the end and crossing over to their side and to 779 00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:20,879 Speaker 3: their family, and to whatever they say is heaven to them. 780 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,520 Speaker 3: I guess the biggest message I could give to anybody 781 00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:29,360 Speaker 3: is you shouldn't fear dying. This is just an outer casing. 782 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,360 Speaker 3: This is just the wrapping that you happen to have 783 00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,680 Speaker 3: in this lifetime. I always try to remind people that 784 00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,959 Speaker 3: they're human. Don't look down on homeless people because they're 785 00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,680 Speaker 3: human too. And they had family in front. They were 786 00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:47,920 Speaker 3: somebody's son, they were somebody's daughter, They somebody's mother or father. 787 00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,120 Speaker 3: They need to be treated with respect and dignity also. 788 00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,800 Speaker 3: And it's the hardest job I've ever loved. 789 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:58,640 Speaker 1: Wonderful words from Wanda Hawk. And remember you don't need 790 00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:02,200 Speaker 1: to have a near death experience to glean the benefits 791 00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,719 Speaker 1: of it. The afterlife is real and someday you'll be 792 00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,520 Speaker 1: greeted with loving arms, but not too soon. Your life 793 00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,400 Speaker 1: here is important. If these episodes make a difference for you, 794 00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,239 Speaker 1: could I ask that you leave a review. You never 795 00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,080 Speaker 1: know who needs to hear just what you have to say. 796 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,520 Speaker 1: Please come visit me at We Don't Die dot com. 797 00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,520 Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain. Thank you so much for listening to 798 00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,920 Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to 799 00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,440 Speaker 1: Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network. 800 00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,239 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast 801 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,279 Speaker 2: Day and Paranormal Podcast Network. 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