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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide

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Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, presented by first Light,

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Speaker 1: First Light, Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host

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Speaker 1: Tony Peterson.

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Speaker 2: Hey, everyone, welcome to the Wire to Hunt Foundation's podcast,

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Speaker 2: which is brought to you by first Light. I'm your host,

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Speaker 2: Tony Peterson, and today's episode is all about the lockdown

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Speaker 2: phase of the rut and how you should probably hunt it.

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Speaker 3: It always happens, you know, just like that.

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Speaker 2: You wait for the pre rut and it hits, then

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Speaker 2: the chase phase happens.

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Speaker 3: Boom, it's just gone.

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Speaker 2: Then you're stuck in the later innings of the rut

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Speaker 2: where we all know the deer are going to go

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Speaker 2: totally boom.

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Speaker 3: Or bust on us.

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Speaker 2: The lockdown phase it's not very well understood. It's a

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Speaker 2: great reason to not hunt, and it's a lot of things.

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Speaker 2: It's also maybe your best chance to kill a giant,

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Speaker 2: or at least a pretty good one. That might seem

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Speaker 2: like thin gruel to live on. But hear me out,

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Speaker 2: because I'm going to talk about how to hunt this

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Speaker 2: phase right now. I have a buddy named Scott, and

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Speaker 2: he's the kind of guy who just gets stuff done.

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Speaker 2: If you listened a few weeks ago, I talked about

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Speaker 2: having to move a giant player piano for him.

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Speaker 3: It was not fun.

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Speaker 2: It was insanely heavy and awkward, and the kind of

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Speaker 2: thing you only do for a good friend, or if

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Speaker 2: it's your job and someone is paying you well for it. Now,

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Speaker 2: I'm envious of Scott for many reasons. He just gets

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Speaker 2: shit done. He's always doing something, rebuilding classic cars, stuff

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Speaker 2: like that. He never stops. It's maddening, honestly, because I

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Speaker 2: often just want to stop. I'm tired all the time,

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Speaker 2: and I bet a lot of you are, especially those

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Speaker 2: of you who are in the trenches with your job

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Speaker 2: and kids in life. I bet a lot of you

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Speaker 2: feel the same way. It's hard to find the motivation

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Speaker 2: to fix the landscaping blocks out front, even when the

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Speaker 2: old blonde bombshell makes it clear she would really, really

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Speaker 2: appreciate it in a wonderful, wifey kind of way. Maybe

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Speaker 2: I'm just a natural procrastinator, but I don't know. I've

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Speaker 2: lived under the specter of a couple hundred deadlines a

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Speaker 2: year for a long time. I guess you don't do

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Speaker 2: that forever in a day if you always put stuff off.

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Speaker 2: But I still feel like I'm always just procrastinating, and

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Speaker 2: I feel it when I'm hunting, and there is no

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Speaker 2: greater time when that weighs on me than when we

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Speaker 2: go from the bonker's part of the rut to the

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Speaker 2: part of the rut that just doesn't hum at the

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Speaker 2: same frequency. You know what I'm talking about, the lockdown

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Speaker 2: For the first timers here, the lockdown is a phase

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Speaker 2: of the rut when a bulk of the does are

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Speaker 2: supposed to go into estrs and then they just kind

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Speaker 2: of bed down with a big fella for about forty

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Speaker 2: eight to seventy two hours. This absolutely happens. It's real.

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Speaker 2: It's also, like so many things in deer hunting, not

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Speaker 2: totally cut and dry. I'm gonna get to that in

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Speaker 2: a second. But you know what, I believe the key

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Speaker 2: to the lockdown period is, I tell you, it's rattling

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Speaker 2: and grunting and decoying and snort wheezing all kind of

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Speaker 2: rolled into one sit. It's super exciting. It's NonStop theater

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Speaker 2: to trick a buck into running in so you can

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Speaker 2: shoot them. Just kidding, It's not even close. It's a

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Speaker 2: fricking waiting game, A boring ass waiting game all deer

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Speaker 2: hunting is, my friends, I know that sucks, but you

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Speaker 2: have to understand that it is the secret sauce to

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Speaker 2: a lot of successful hunting. Of course, you have to

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Speaker 2: put yourself around deer first, but honestly, that's part of

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Speaker 2: the problem. The waiting game is a hell of a

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Speaker 2: lot easier when you believe you're waiting on an actual

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Speaker 2: buck to come down the trail. A lot of people

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Speaker 2: don't have a very good idea how to put themselves

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Speaker 2: sitting old stand by setups and you're crossing your fingers

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Speaker 2: like a lot of the gun hunting crowd tends to do,

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Speaker 2: it's very hard to wait a good one out. You

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Speaker 3: I'm not shitting on anyone here either. I do this

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Speaker 2: Hence the reason I'm so jealous of my buddy Scott

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Speaker 2: for his drive to just keep doing the work. But

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Speaker 2: how do you remedy this and how do you get

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Speaker 2: yourself into a position to sit tight and kill one eventually? Well,

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Speaker 2: you got to forget the crazy days where they are

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Speaker 2: chase phase is like a bunch of conscripts in a

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Speaker 2: the lockdown, though those conscripts are gone. It's a special

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Speaker 2: forces mission, It's a targeted approach. Those dear travel with intention,

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Speaker 2: with efficiency. The Bucks have wasted enough extra calories chasing

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Speaker 2: with them to some nice thicket and just get a

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Speaker 2: little freaky. What does this mean for you, Well, it

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Speaker 2: means the best pinch points and the best funnels. You know,

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Speaker 2: those traps you believe in, They are where you need

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Speaker 2: you need to check your notes. Bucks crews with the

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Speaker 2: wind not necessarily in their face, but definitely in their favor.

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Speaker 2: I doubt they think about it. They just react, but

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Speaker 2: that stuff matters. So if you sat a certain funnel

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Speaker 2: to be out of the south during the lockdown, figure

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Speaker 2: out not only the high odd spots, but the best

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Speaker 2: you can figure out by reading one of Mark's many

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Speaker 2: many Instagram posts. It's something you have to learn by

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Speaker 2: being there. A good way to reinforce this and figure

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Speaker 2: it out better is to run trail cameras on those

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Speaker 2: terrain traps. I've talked about this a whole bunch with

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Speaker 2: to go over there and find out. But right now,

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Speaker 2: I feel like that spot is just kind of not right.

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Speaker 2: The wind hasn't been right there, and the deer haven't

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Speaker 2: been moving through there. That's something I think we miss

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Speaker 2: about cameras, and I see a lot of guys doing

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Speaker 2: this in a way that just makes sense. Beau Martonic

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Speaker 2: out there in Pennsylvania, who hosts the East Meets West podcast,

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Speaker 2: seems to have a real grasp on this. He's a

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Speaker 2: good hunter. He has that figured out. My buddy Clint

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Speaker 2: at this strategy. It's using cameras for multi year intel

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: I realize that it's probably too late for you to

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Speaker 2: good reminder to remember that for the next seventeen seasons

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Speaker 2: but two years showed me that it's probably just a

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Speaker 2: matter of having enough days. Now, this is my third

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Speaker 2: and what I've seen so far pretty much reinforces my

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Speaker 2: has also taught me that I need a north or

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Speaker 3: They're bad. But you know what else this trail camera

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Speaker 2: It not only shows you the big old boss Bucks

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Speaker 2: who go through there, but everyone else. And this is

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Speaker 2: something I want to talk about. The lockdown is known

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Speaker 2: for putting mature bucks down for two or three days

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Speaker 2: that's a problem. What are the odds that you'll catch

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Speaker 2: Not good at all. Now, what if you have three

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Speaker 2: deer you'd shoot? Well, the odds are well, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: three times better, I guess. Here's the thing. The advice

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Speaker 2: think you're getting from me here is that it's all

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Speaker 2: about mature bucks. Now, what I look for during the

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Speaker 2: that depends on who is nice enough to walk by

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Speaker 2: me a lot of times. When you start looking at

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Speaker 2: it this way, you realize that while the biggest cahoona

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Speaker 3: So what about the other bucks? There are other bucks

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Speaker 2: And while I do believe the lockdown is one of

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Speaker 2: the better times to kill a giant, I also believe

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Speaker 2: it's a great time to kill a good deer. That's

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Speaker 2: one of the big reasons I like running trail cameras

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Speaker 2: I have a bunch of deer to work with, you know,

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Speaker 2: the real thing about the lockdown. You're not going to

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Speaker 2: have very many encounters. You just won't. The dose are

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Speaker 2: sick of being run around and chased and harassed and

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Speaker 2: not see another buck for eleven months. Some of them

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Speaker 2: are in need of boyfriends still though, And that's the

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Speaker 2: key to this whole thing. Those bucks are there, and

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Speaker 2: they will go where they believe those does are and

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Speaker 2: they will do that in the cover. They will do

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Speaker 2: that with the wind largely in their favor, like I said,

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Speaker 2: it seems maybe like a better idea to go golfing

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Speaker 2: than it is to sit on a stand, but it's not.

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Speaker 2: That's never a better option than going deer hunting. But

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Speaker 2: you want to know how I'm going to make it worse.

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Speaker 2: I think the lockdown is not a great time for tricks.

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Speaker 2: I know there are plenty of people who will rattle

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Speaker 2: in a giant or grunt one inn or whatever, but

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Speaker 2: I feel like the mission is to get where deer

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Speaker 2: like to walk and then put in the hours.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 2: So forget trying to get them to you, and start

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Speaker 2: thinking about how you're going to get your ass to them.

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Speaker 2: At least, this is how I do it. I look

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Speaker 2: at the block of time I have to work with.

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Speaker 2: If that's just an evening or a morning, then you

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Speaker 2: conditions and cross your fingers. But if you can get

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Speaker 2: then it's time to make a plan. So I look

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Speaker 2: That's hard, but I believe in the plan. I believe

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Speaker 2: Don't give up yet, forget hitting the links one last time.

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Speaker 2: Understand that there is still a very good opportunity out

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Speaker 2: a lot better this year. That's it for this episode.

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