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Speaker 2: Jack Armstrong and Joe Gatty arm.

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Speaker 5: Welcome to a replay of the Armstrong and Getty Show.

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Speaker 6: Now on with the infotainment Can you transform your life?

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Speaker 3: Maybe you'd like to transform your life?

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Speaker 5: Maybe you wouldn't transform your life in just seventy days

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Speaker 5: with the seventy five Hard, which I guess has been

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Speaker 5: around for a couple of years, but I hadn't heard

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Speaker 5: about it till now because one of my nieces said

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Speaker 5: she's doing the sixty medium.

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Speaker 3: She made up her own list of how she's going

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Speaker 3: to do it.

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Speaker 5: This is the seventy five Hard, A tactical guide to

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Speaker 5: winning the war with your something or other. Before I

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Speaker 5: get into some of it, what do you know about it?

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Speaker 3: Katie?

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Speaker 7: I know it's very difficult, and it requires I think

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Speaker 7: two workouts a day. You have to do one inside,

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Speaker 7: one outside. You have to diet seventy five here, well

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Speaker 7: right right, right, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you scare.

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Speaker 5: You skipped right to the one that makes everybody say, well,

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Speaker 5: never mind then, because on the list you go through

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Speaker 5: some of them and you think I could do that.

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Speaker 5: Drink a gallon of water per day. Okay, I'm not

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Speaker 5: sure that it's going to do me any good, but whatever.

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Speaker 5: Read ten pages of a self improvement book daily. If

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Speaker 5: I get to choose the book, I can do that.

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Speaker 5: Take a progress picture every day, okay, effortless, come up

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Speaker 5: with a diet plan and follow it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, kind of trying to do that.

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Speaker 5: Two forty five minute workouts daily, one outdoors. Okay, well

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Speaker 5: what else can we do? Because that ain't gonna happen.

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Speaker 5: That's why none of these fitness resolutions work.

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Speaker 3: You take it way too far.

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Speaker 5: You're not gonna go to the gym and work out

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Speaker 5: for an hour every day. You do it for a

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Speaker 5: couple of days and you quit. You get a set

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Speaker 5: modest two forty five minute workouts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I got it.

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Speaker 5: Even if you've got time, which I don't did be impossible.

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Speaker 5: No way you're gonna do that consistently.

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Speaker 7: And with the diet there's no cheat meals and no

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Speaker 7: alcohol for seventy five days. So forget your month of

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Speaker 7: no alcohol, Joe, this is seventy five days.

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Speaker 6: You know. One of my good friends has for years

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Speaker 6: and years, with almost no exceptions, he has and he's

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Speaker 6: a drinking man. He's good at it. We've gone round

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Speaker 6: and round. He drinks under Year's Eve. He does not

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Speaker 6: have another drink until Saint Patrick's Day in mid March,

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Speaker 6: virtually every year. I admire it. I'm not sure I

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Speaker 6: want to imitate it, but I admire it.

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Speaker 3: Why does he do it?

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Speaker 6: Physical health, emotional health, doesn't want to be dependent on alcohol.

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Speaker 6: I guess same reason I do it for a little while.

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Speaker 6: He just takes it a lot further. He's in good

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Speaker 6: shape too, for a guy of his age. And then

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Speaker 6: we have another friend, actually a great mutual friend, who

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Speaker 6: when confront he's a southern guy. When confronted with that news,

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Speaker 6: he said, I haven't taken that long a break since

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Speaker 4: It's a different way to approach life.

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Speaker 6: But interestingly, in contrast to the hard seventy five, and

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Speaker 6: the medium sixty and.

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Speaker 4: The leisurely thirty. We might have.

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Speaker 6: Something to talk about my daughter, my beloved twenty five

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Speaker 6: year old who just today headed back to law school.

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Speaker 6: Is she's using a nudgeword, which I would have mocked

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Speaker 6: were my beloved daughter not doing it. And there's a

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Speaker 6: piece in the Washington Post. Then they have a graphic

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Speaker 6: that shows people unveiling their nudgeword, which includes.

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Speaker 4: Ease, pivot, wonder, pause, and bliss.

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Speaker 3: You got to back up a second.

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Speaker 5: Is this a term, I know, nudgeword? What does a nudgeword? Well,

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Speaker 5: you're about to and I apologize.

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Speaker 6: A nudgeword can help you clarify your goals. It can

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Speaker 6: symbolize your values, help you set intentions and guide your

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Speaker 6: actions in most, if not all, areas of your life.

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Speaker 6: How do you want to be or feel? For instance,

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Speaker 6: do you want to be more playful? Balanced, or compassionate?

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Speaker 3: Playful?

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Speaker 4: Yes, I want to be more playful.

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Speaker 3: Who starts a new year? You know what I'm going

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Speaker 3: to be in twenty five?

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Speaker 4: Playful? More playful? You know I would not phrase it

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Speaker 6: I could definitely see somebody, perhaps me, saying, you know,

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Speaker 6: I gotta stop worrying about crap that doesn't matter.

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Speaker 4: You got to lighten the hell up about a lot

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Speaker 4: of stuff. So I get it.

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Speaker 6: Interestingly, though, my daughter's word that she keeps trying remind

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Speaker 6: yourself of is sustainable and not like in the environmental

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Speaker 6: Grita Tunberg bullcrap way.

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Speaker 4: But she's telling.

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Speaker 6: Herself, Look, don't start an exercise plan you can't possibly sustain.

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Speaker 3: I've always been.

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Speaker 4: Doing to diet that you can't live with.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I've always been big on that, and I think

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Speaker 5: that is a good idea, or you know, any kind

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Speaker 5: of regimen, just yeah, start with something you could actually

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Speaker 5: do right, right, Start small, see how it goes.

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Speaker 6: Increase a little bit. But and look, I've done the

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Speaker 6: iron willed weight loss fitness thing a couple of.

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Speaker 4: Times and it's worked.

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Speaker 5: But it's not sustainable, right, and it's it's the problem

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Speaker 5: with sustainable is it's so slow. You know you're gonna

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Speaker 5: it'll come off and stay off and people want or.

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Speaker 4: It's a very lace you'll maintain.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, anymore, or you're gonna you know, you're you're gonna

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Speaker 5: build muscle and look more fit. But it's gonna be

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Speaker 5: real slow and it's gonna take a while. But once

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Speaker 5: you get there, it's a it's certainly nice. That's a

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Speaker 5: good one. Pensive will be mine.

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Speaker 3: Pensive. Try to be overall more pensive in the new year.

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Speaker 6: I think mine's vengeful. I'm gonna I'm gonna give people

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Speaker 6: what they've earned.

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Speaker 3: A vengeful is your nudgeword.

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Speaker 6: People are gonna get what's coming to them.

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Speaker 4: Hit June July.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna have not taken vengeance for a couple of weeks,

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Speaker 6: and it's gonna be easy to give up. I'm gonna

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Speaker 6: remind myself, Hey, this is my nudgework. Find somebody who's

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Speaker 3: Start small. Remember that time in high school when you

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Speaker 3: did the thing to me, Well, here's.

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Speaker 4: Here's your right.

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Speaker 5: Maybe it's just a store cluk clerk who's road And

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Speaker 5: as you walk out, your hurl a tomato adam. Start small,

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Speaker 5: Start easy, nay, sustainably vengeful.

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Speaker 6: You want to hear a good one. It's a little

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Speaker 6: heavy speaking of a year ending slash beginning rituals. I

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Speaker 6: was reading about this dude. He's like an entrepreneur and investor.

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Speaker 6: It doesn't really matter who he is. But every year

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Speaker 6: at the end of the year, his birthday happens to

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Speaker 6: be December thirtieth, which I think factors. And but he

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Speaker 6: us does. Does do we do? And he does what

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Speaker 6: he calls his pre mortem. He imagines being on his deathbed. Wow, yeah,

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Speaker 6: I know, I know this is heavy, and he gets

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Speaker 6: into it. He really describes, like, I imagine my body

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Speaker 6: and I try to evoke the feelings I want to

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Speaker 6: have in that moment, a sense of peace, completion, and

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Speaker 6: most importantly self respect. Then I asked myself, what am

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Speaker 6: reach that ultimate destination, I've done what I need to do.

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Speaker 6: I will feel those things I want to feel on

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Speaker 4: And then he sets goals for the year.

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Speaker 5: You know, we have a boss who actually has a

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Speaker 5: quote on his wall from of all people, Keith Partridge

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Speaker 5: David Cassidy, TV star of the seventies. You don't need

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Speaker 5: to know, you don't need to know where you're going

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Speaker 5: with this. You don't need to know who that is.

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Speaker 5: But he was as big a star in America as

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Speaker 5: you can get for a while. And on his deathbed

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Speaker 5: he said, I think it was his last words, so

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Speaker 5: much wasted time, and our boss has that on his wall.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: He was a resentful, bitter, alcoholic. Yeah, clung to the

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Speaker 6: past and so much wasted time.

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Speaker 3: That's a good one. I don't, I don't. I don't

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Speaker 3: think I have that to worry about it at this point.

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Speaker 5: Mast that's this guy's philosophy. What would your last words

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Speaker 5: be and what do you have to do to make them?

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Speaker 4: Wow? You know what, it's been great as he sailed it.

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Speaker 3: That's what I want my last words to be.

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Speaker 8: Nailed it.

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Speaker 6: He wants a sense of peace, completion and that Look,

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Speaker 6: my race is run and it was great.

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Speaker 4: Good luck y'all.

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Speaker 7: Or this is stressing me out, I know, big task.

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Speaker 4: I know.

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Speaker 5: I'll just summon my breath for one last boo. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I'm gone take one last bit of vengeance, Michael.

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Speaker 4: My last words will be pass me that pizza.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one more, one more more pizza.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I was you know, reading a book by a songwriter,

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Speaker 6: doesn't matter who. But he's he's big on the you know,

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Speaker 6: try to create one new thing a day, and how

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Speaker 6: to do it. Of course, his job is writing songs,

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Speaker 6: so we write songs. But nobody has ever on their

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Speaker 6: deathbed said I wish I hadn't written that poem, or

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Speaker 6: I wish I hadn't tried to unless it's you know,

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Speaker 6: did something horrific, But go ahead and try and fail,

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Speaker 6: don't don't you know, be next to this entrepreneur guy

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Speaker 6: thinking why didn't I at least try? So there's my

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Speaker 6: life affirming death fearing death bed positive philosophy for the year.

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Speaker 5: You know, the whatever that thing was with having a

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Speaker 5: nudge word grateful would be a really good one to

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Speaker 6: But of course for everything there must be a backlash,

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Speaker 6: and that's the people who somehow are so swept up

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Speaker 6: in crazes they've like taken that to an extreme and

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Speaker 6: like refuse to acknowledge things that needed to be fixed

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Speaker 6: in their lives.

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Speaker 4: What and so I've been reading lately.

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Speaker 6: There's the great the pressure to be grateful has now

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Speaker 6: become so shut up.

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Speaker 3: But some shot up shot.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I go into the office every day in my

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Speaker 6: boss balls and I'm it's your work.

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Speaker 3: I need a name.

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Speaker 4: I'd be grateful.

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Speaker 3: I want to I want the name.

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Speaker 5: Of where you whoever wrote that, you read that. I'm

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Speaker 5: going there today. I'll get on a plane. I don't

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Speaker 5: care if the weather's bad. Michael driving, I'm gonna choke.

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Speaker 4: Them, and you'll take your vengeance.

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Speaker 8: It's healthy.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to punch that person right in the throat.

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Speaker 5: Here's something I realized today, and I think this is

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Speaker 5: Wow, the Muskmellon Elon Musk everywhere, no matter what you

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Speaker 4: But I'm afraid all good things must come to an end.

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Speaker 6: You're much less likely to get your arse kicked or

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Speaker 3: Fifteen percent, that's crazy.

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Speaker 6: Not so much. I want to be accepted. I want

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Speaker 5: That's a huge percentage of population are desperate for that.

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Speaker 5: So I'm not paying close attention to the whole Elon

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Speaker 3: Tell me if I'm right or wrong. If I'm I

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Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, exactly. He is making recommendations to his boss.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And so perhaps the.

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Speaker 6: Maybe we can get people's attention because he's rich and evil,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I wonder how well it's working. Maybe it's working.

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Speaker 5: I don't know what most people think about Elon. I

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Speaker 10: They literally are trying to take healthcare away from millions

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, Oh my god.

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Speaker 4: It's a party of monsters.

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Speaker 3: That's why they're having the Republicans.

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Speaker 4: They're monsters.

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Speaker 5: That's why they're having the one am vote tonight on

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Speaker 6: And so the Republicans who are actual vampires can come

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Speaker 4: Because you know, the sun is down.

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Speaker 6: So Craig Gottwalls originally Craig the Obamacare lawyer, because when

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Speaker 4: Craig Gottwals, how are you, Craig.

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Speaker 8: Well, you know you you you know better than I Jack.

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Speaker 8: So all but ten states went ahead and said, heck, yeah,

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Speaker 6: And in a bizarre twist, correct me if I'm wrong,

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Speaker 8: to go ahead and cover the adults. So we'll pay

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Speaker 8: ninety to one hundred percent, starting at one hundred percent

444
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Speaker 8: dropping down to ninety percent. So yes, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 8: If you are a twenty eight year old dude's smoking

446
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Speaker 8: pot in your mom and dad's basement right now, medicaid's

447
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Speaker 8: paying ninety percent. The federal government's paying ninety percent of

448
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Speaker 8: your medicaid where it's only paying an average of sixty

449
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Speaker 8: cents on the dollar in a state like California for

450
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Speaker 8: a disabled mother.

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Speaker 4: With the child.

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Speaker 5: I'm thinking to somebody I know specifically who is like

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Speaker 5: a regular person with the job and is doing it

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Speaker 5: the normal way, and they're incredible men. Medical bills they

455
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Speaker 5: got right now because they've had some health problems. That's

456
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Speaker 5: very galling that they have these high medical bills with

457
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Speaker 5: insurance and everything, as opposed to if you got on

458
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Speaker 5: some sort of government plan, it'd all be covered.

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Speaker 6: And Craig, I'm going to leave it up to your

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Speaker 6: judgment how much you want to get into this. But

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Speaker 6: there are all sorts of other perverse incentives that this

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Speaker 6: law has caused states, you know, taxing hospitals to raise

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Speaker 6: the amount spent, but then they get it back from

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Speaker 6: the federal government. Then they give it back to the hospitals.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's byzantine.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, let me just give you a couple of nuggets

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Speaker 8: on the cost of it, just just because what's happened

468
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Speaker 8: is employers pay two to three times the cost of

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Speaker 8: a hospital visit, as Medicare and Medicaid do. So when

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Speaker 8: you are on Medicare and Medicaid, you go to the hospital,

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Speaker 8: you pay X. If you're on an employer sponsored plan,

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Speaker 8: you pay two to three times X.

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Speaker 3: Wow, the state bill is I was just talking about.

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Speaker 8: Thus the bills. But even with that reality, gentlemen, if

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Speaker 8: you're on Medicare, that cost per taxpayer is about eleven

476
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Speaker 8: thousand per year, if you're on Medicaid, it's ninety four

477
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Speaker 8: hundred per year, and for employer sponsored people it's eighty

478
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Speaker 8: seven hundred per year. So even with that, granted, employer

479
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Speaker 8: sponsored coverage generally younger, generally healthier. We get that. But

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Speaker 8: even with this tremendous cost shift to the hospitals, it

481
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Speaker 8: just it underscores how inefficient these government programs are. When

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Speaker 8: they passed Medicare, now this is Medicare, not Medicaid, but

483
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Speaker 8: they did all the financials together when they passed it

484
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Speaker 8: in nineteen sixty seven, actually two years in when they

485
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Speaker 8: did an analysis on it, they said, hey, we think

486
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Speaker 8: this is going to cost twelve billion by nineteen ninety,

487
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Speaker 8: when in fact it cost one hundred billion. They were

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Speaker 8: off by a factor of eight.

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Speaker 3: With medicare the bullet train of medicine.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's the bullet train of medicine. And now that

491
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Speaker 8: there are some people making noises that, gee, we ought

492
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Speaker 8: to trim back the edges a little bit and get

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Speaker 8: these able bodied adults off of it, you of course

494
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Speaker 8: get the grand standing of politicians, even those on the right,

495
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Speaker 8: screaming that it's murder in the streets.

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Speaker 3: So Medicare is the one we all get when we

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Speaker 3: cy cynical it will.

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Speaker 5: Medicare is the one we all get when we turned

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Speaker 5: sixty five. But Medicaid is the one at the downtrodden earth.

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Speaker 4: Or folks allegedly.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, hey, Craig, I want to do the numbers

502
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Speaker 6: you did for Medicaid too. So in nineteen eighty seven,

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Speaker 6: Congress projected that Medicaid would make special relief payments to

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Speaker 6: hospitals of less than a billion dollars by nineteen ninety two,

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Speaker 6: under a billion dollars. The actual cost was seventeen billion,

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Speaker 6: so they're seventeen times as high. I mean, if that

507
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Speaker 6: doesn't tell you what you need to know about government

508
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Speaker 6: entitlement programs and what they do, inevitably, well you're too

509
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Speaker 6: stupid to understand it, and't.

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Speaker 4: I pity you.

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Speaker 8: And that one was in a five year span, Joe,

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Speaker 8: that was their eighty seven projection for ninety two.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, you're right.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that wasn't well.

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Speaker 3: And one of the problems.

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Speaker 5: One of the problems is, you know, all government programs grow,

517
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Speaker 5: and you know the high cost and good intentions and

518
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Speaker 5: all that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 3: But in this case, you've got the added.

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Speaker 5: Part that there's a bunch of people that want the

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Speaker 5: government to run all of healthcare. So they love the

522
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Speaker 5: they're pushing the expansion. It's not just like normal bureaucratic creep.

523
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Speaker 5: They're pushing it. The more people cover, the more you

524
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Speaker 5: can make the argument of well, we're already government healthcare anyway,

525
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Speaker 5: let's just flip the switch and go full on single pair.

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Speaker 8: You're absolutely right, and the single payer I'm just here

527
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Speaker 8: to tell you the single payer path is a good

528
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Speaker 8: thirty to fifty percent more expensive now those costs are

529
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Speaker 8: hidden because of the way the money slashes around. But

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Speaker 8: you've only got one payer of health care in America

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Speaker 8: that actually cares what it costs, and that's employers. That's it.

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Speaker 8: The insurance companies don't care because the way Obamacare is written,

533
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Speaker 8: they need more claims to make more money. The government

534
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Speaker 8: doesn't care because the more healthcare costs, the more budget

535
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Speaker 8: they get to address the issue. The only policy holder,

536
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Speaker 8: the only tax, the only moneyed interest in this that

537
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Speaker 8: actually cares, is an employer, and it's dramatically shrinking. Those

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Speaker 8: of us that get healthcare at work is shrinking every year.

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Speaker 5: I don't know how we ever get this fixed because

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Speaker 5: like I, uh, you've probably been listening to know.

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Speaker 3: I got whooping cough.

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Speaker 5: So I've been to the doctor, like yeah, four or

543
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Speaker 5: five times, eight different medications, all these different bills, most

544
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Speaker 5: of them tiny.

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Speaker 3: I don't have the slightest idea what anything cost.

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Speaker 5: Or I'll get a bill, I know, I'll get a

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Speaker 5: bill in a month for one hundred and eighty bucks

548
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Speaker 5: or five hundred and eighty bucks, I don't know, and

549
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Speaker 5: then I'll just pay it.

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Speaker 11: And nobody has any idea, and the randomness of those

551
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Speaker 11: of us who have employee you know, insurance, we don't

552
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Speaker 11: know if we're getting ripped off or good price or whatever.

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Speaker 4: So it's it's complicated, no discouraging, Go ahead, Craig.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and it's it's not health jack by the You

555
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Speaker 8: know a lot of people think that, hey, I have

556
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Speaker 8: Purple Cross as my insurance, and so whether I go

557
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Speaker 8: to Stanford or El Camino or good Sam for this

558
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 8: particular shoulder surgery should be about the same price because

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Speaker 8: I have a Purple Cross PPO contract. Right, It's not

560
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 8: you can pay ten thousand for that shoulder surgery or

561
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Speaker 8: fifty thousand for that shoulder surgery with the same exact

562
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Speaker 8: insurance card. It's utterly insane what's happening in the commercial

563
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Speaker 8: market because government has crept into this unholy alliance with

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Speaker 8: the commercial payers, and so you have this, you have

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Speaker 8: a situation where it's crony capitalism at its absolute worst.

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Speaker 8: You know we're talking about and we can tease for

567
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Speaker 8: a future visit, but there are ways to get around this.

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Speaker 8: But relying on the government or this large commercial sector

569
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Speaker 8: is going to kill us. And when I say the

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Speaker 8: commercial sector, I mean the fully insured carriers, employer sponsored plans,

571
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Speaker 8: self funded employer sponsored plans are the way to go.

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Speaker 8: It's the only way to beat this and beat it back.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we're talking to Craig Gottwaals, Craig the healthcare guru. Craig,

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Speaker 6: I feel like at this point in the interview we

575
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Speaker 6: how to give people the local suicide hotline number.

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Speaker 4: I mean, because it's so discouraging.

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Speaker 6: So we've you know, described this incredible, mountainous, wasteful, enormously

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Speaker 6: expensive government program out of control. And if you, as

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Speaker 6: say a Republican, a Chip Roy, for instance, say hey,

580
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Speaker 6: can we have thirty five year old guy smoking pawn

581
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Speaker 6: on his parents couch please pay a thirty five dollars

582
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Speaker 6: copay when he goes to the doctor, you have Hakeem

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Speaker 6: Jeffrey screaming you're literally taking healthcare away from millions of Americans.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's.

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Speaker 5: One problem, though the other problem is that's a Democrat.

586
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Speaker 5: He got Josh Howey, a Republican writing an opera. Holly

587
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Speaker 5: has lost his soul. I hope he gets hit by

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Speaker 5: a car abhorror violence. Josh Holley writes, I think in

589
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Speaker 5: the New York Times last week, you know Republicans, hey

590
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Speaker 5: do not cut any of this. It's a bad political move.

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Speaker 5: So where does that leave you?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's you. At this point, gentlemen, I put my

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Speaker 8: head down. I don't even listen to the big the

594
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Speaker 8: big picture anymore, and I just try and help one

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Speaker 8: employer at a time. It's just and I get individuals

596
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Speaker 8: that contact me and they ask me what do I do?

597
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Speaker 8: And I say, buy as little inferent sick and by

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Speaker 8: the highest deductible, go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Don't get sick is your recommendation.

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Speaker 8: Don't get sick, but find a doctor, find a doctor

601
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Speaker 8: who's left the system, and engage in something called direct

602
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Speaker 8: primary care, where you give them anywhere from seventy five

603
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Speaker 8: to two hundred dollars a month, you treat, you work

604
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Speaker 8: with them, and then God forbid, you have something giant happen.

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Speaker 8: You have the highest deductible you can stomach to go

606
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Speaker 8: deal with that issue. But you've got to cut insurance

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Speaker 8: and government payments out as much as you can and

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Speaker 8: work directly with doctors. And the good news is that

609
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Speaker 8: system is growing, gentlemen. I talk to doctors every week

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Speaker 8: that are leaving the system and going direct pay with

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Speaker 8: individuals and not the three hundred and fifty dollars concierge model,

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Speaker 8: but like doing this for one hundred dollars a month. Literally.

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Speaker 6: Well, I love the idea of starting at that point

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Speaker 6: in our next conversation with you, Craig, and talking about that,

615
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Speaker 6: because one of the things I was going to bring

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Speaker 6: up if we have time, and we don't unfortunately, but

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Speaker 6: some of the unholy uh vertical integration of the giant

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Speaker 6: healthcare companies where they own the doctor, they own the hospital,

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Speaker 6: they own the pharmacy, they own the pharmacy benefit manager,

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Speaker 6: which is an unholy, murky cesspool of God knows where

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Speaker 6: the money goes. And so yeah, the idea of checking

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Speaker 6: out of that system, I love it. Let's let's let's

623
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Speaker 6: talk off the air. Will schedule you to come back

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Speaker 6: because I think it'd be great for the good folks.

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Speaker 8: Sounds great, gentlemen, have a wonderful day.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks, Craig. Appreciate the time. Craig.

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Speaker 3: You have to come on all the time and bear

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Speaker 3: bad news.

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Speaker 6: I mean it's like, yeah, I just you know, as

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Speaker 6: a realist, you've unlike the Biden family, the one thing

631
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Speaker 6: you must do is understand reality or or your your helics.

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Speaker 5: I've been saying too, Craig, and he usually agrees. For years.

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Speaker 5: I think the realist view is we're going to end

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Speaker 5: up single payer healthcare. Uh, it's just when When does Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I suppose so.

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Speaker 6: But in every single health single payer healthcare system, people

637
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Speaker 6: who can afford it go outside and right right, got

638
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Speaker 6: to learn those ropes, don't folks, It'll be okay.

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00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 5: Don't get sick. Just don't get sick or break anything.

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Speaker 5: That's the answer.

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Speaker 3: Stay here.

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Speaker 2: It's Jack Armstrong and Joe, the Armstrong.

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Speaker 9: And Getty Show. The Armstrong and Getty Show should have.

644
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Speaker 5: Been a couple of great government works, things that got

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Speaker 5: out of control and cost gazillions of dollars and never

646
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Speaker 5: got finished. In my lifetime, I remember Boston's big dig,

647
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 5: hearing about that my whole life, decades and decades and decades,

648
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Speaker 5: wasting tons of money. Uh, Alaska's famous bridge to Nowhere.

649
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Speaker 5: But they're all paling in comparison to California's high speed

650
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Speaker 5: rail project, which goes back to two thousand and eight,

651
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Speaker 5: and if it's not already at the end of the day,

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Speaker 5: will be the biggest government sinkhole of bureaucracy and waste.

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Speaker 5: As an example of how democracy keys can fail in

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Speaker 5: our nation's history, and it's probably.

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Speaker 4: Already in Richmond too. I must point out.

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Speaker 3: Part of the reason it's getting a bunch of a

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Speaker 3: national attention.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 3: New York Times did a.

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Speaker 5: Story last Sunday, the Associated presses on it, and The

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Speaker 5: Dispatch did a story yesterday. Is the CHSRA. That's the

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Speaker 5: California High Speed Rail Authority. They put out new numbers

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Speaker 5: just recently, and their own new numbers have now increased

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Speaker 5: the total cost to one hundred and thirty five billion dollars.

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Speaker 5: When taxpayers agreed to this, it was thirty three billion.

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Speaker 5: It's now one hundred and thirty five billion. It's more

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Speaker 5: than one hundred billion dollars more than originally proposed.

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Speaker 3: It was.

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Speaker 5: We were supposed to be writing it five years ago.

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Speaker 5: It's supposed to be done in twenty twenty. I have

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Speaker 5: not written into view. They're now saying if it.

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Speaker 6: Comes anywhere near the original promise, it will be north

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Speaker 6: of two hundred billion dollars, mark my words.

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Speaker 5: And they said in their most recent statement it may

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Speaker 5: take two more decades to complete most of the San

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Speaker 5: Francisco to Los Angeles segment, two more decades to complete

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Speaker 5: most so they're not even saying in two decades they

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Speaker 5: can complete it right. And I don't know if you

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Speaker 5: know about travel, but you really need the whole thing.

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Speaker 5: Like if I'm going to New York this summer, I

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Speaker 5: need to get all the way there. Most of the

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Speaker 5: way doesn't do any good.

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Speaker 4: It's either get you to Indianapolis.

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Speaker 5: It's really an all or nothing proposition whenever you travel somewhere,

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Speaker 5: am I going there or not? But I thought this

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Speaker 5: was really interesting and I can't believe this hasn't gotten

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Speaker 5: more attention. This is from the chsri's own plan. It

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Speaker 5: is now going to connect to towns on the outskirts

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Speaker 5: of both major metros. It's not going to take you

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Speaker 5: from San Francisco to Los Angeles. It's going to take

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Speaker 5: you from Gilroy, which if you live in the area,

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Speaker 5: you know eight very close to San Francisco, and.

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Speaker 4: That is the outskirts of the outskirts of the out.

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Speaker 5: It's seventy miles southeast of San Francisco.

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Speaker 3: To I just chail.

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Speaker 6: It will take you just under two hours to drive

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Speaker 6: from Gilroy to San Francisco as we speak.

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Speaker 5: To Palmdale, which is thirty seven miles northeast of the

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Speaker 5: edge of Los Angeles, and in Los Angeles traffic, it

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Speaker 5: would take you several hours to make that drive. So

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Speaker 5: instead of the city centers, it's going to take you

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Speaker 5: from Gilroy to Palmdale.

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Speaker 3: That will save construction time and.

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Speaker 5: Money, but it will need mean the writers will need

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Speaker 5: another hour or more to get into the cities. That

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Speaker 5: is an incredibly generous statement. I would say a minimum

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Speaker 5: of three to four hours on a good day, all told, an.

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Speaker 6: Hour and a quarter from Palmdale to LA right now

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Speaker 6: all told.

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Speaker 3: Economist Scott Summer estimates that this.

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Speaker 5: New setup would require at least a seven hour series

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Speaker 5: of trains or cars for someone to get from downtown

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Speaker 5: San Francisco to downtown Los Angeles. Instead of the original

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Speaker 5: promised three hour one train trip and seven hours on

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Speaker 5: the best, everything broke your way, it would take seven hours.

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Speaker 6: It is the greatest failure of democracy I've ever witnessed.

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Speaker 8: Arm Strong and