WEBVTT - Bratton Says Adams Working to Make Subways Safe

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Bloomberg Business Week with Carol Messer and

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Quick Takes Tim Stinovic on Bloomberg Radio. We do

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<v Speaker 1>want to bring in our guest, former NYPD Police Commissioner

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Bratton, his executive chairman of Risk Advisory and over

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<v Speaker 1>at Tonio and he joins us via zoom So, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Bratton, so good to have you here with us.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell us about this situation. What we know, what we

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, what kind of jumps out for you. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the good news you have to follow after the horlific

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<v Speaker 1>events of yesterday is that today, UH, the NYPD, thanks

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<v Speaker 1>to a chip into the crime Stoppers hotline from a citizen. UH,

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<v Speaker 1>the individual we believe responsible for that shooting on the

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<v Speaker 1>subway was apprehended in Lower Manhattan, So the fear that

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<v Speaker 1>he his actions generated UH is now being addressed with

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that he's been apprehended in in custody. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>the overall fear of the subway UH, He's not going

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<v Speaker 1>to end with that arrest. That's still an issue that

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<v Speaker 1>Mayor Adams is going to have to grap with going forward.

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<v Speaker 1>He and the nt A Commissioner Bratton, if you were

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<v Speaker 1>still Police Commissioner of the nyp D. If you were

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<v Speaker 1>advising Mayor Adams, what would you tell him he needs

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<v Speaker 1>to do that the NYPD needs to do in order

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<v Speaker 1>to make us New Yorkers feel safe on the subway. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the good news is he's actually doing it. That he

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<v Speaker 1>and I worked in the trance of police chief user

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<v Speaker 1>lieutenant back in so he saw first hand of participated

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<v Speaker 1>in what turned the crime situation around back then thirty

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<v Speaker 1>years ago. Uh, he was a lieutenant and captain in

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<v Speaker 1>the n YP Police Commissioner and saw what work then

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<v Speaker 1>to create the safest city in America and keep it

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<v Speaker 1>that way for twenty five years. So he's looking to

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<v Speaker 1>replicate in many instances, uh, those experiences. So I'm very

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<v Speaker 1>supportive of what he's trying to do. Uh. The struggling

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to have, and it's been had, is with

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<v Speaker 1>the political leadership in the city Council, the Progressive Left Caucus,

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<v Speaker 1>and the political leadership in Albany, which is also progressive left.

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<v Speaker 1>They have been very reluctant to allow him to use

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<v Speaker 1>some of the tools that he knew worked back then

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<v Speaker 1>and kept the city safe for twenty five years. He's

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<v Speaker 1>doing a lot of the right things. He's putting a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of cops into the subway system. Almost a thousand

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<v Speaker 1>additional cops is almost as many cops now as we

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<v Speaker 1>had together back in Plus he's uh putting additional offices

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<v Speaker 1>in there from time to time from street patrols. So

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<v Speaker 1>the public is not going to be uh if he

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<v Speaker 1>is not going to be calmed until their consistencies see

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more police. But also they want to see

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<v Speaker 1>the police doing something about the disorder, the homeless, the

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<v Speaker 1>emotionally disturbed, the drug addictive, the misbehavior. Uh and until

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<v Speaker 1>they start showing some reduction in actual crime and what

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<v Speaker 1>people see every day, that feel level is not going

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<v Speaker 1>to diminish. But he is commit it to doing it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I applaud his effort because he's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>political opposition of what he's trying to do. Bill, we

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about this little bit earlier about the impact

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<v Speaker 1>of the pandemic and also after George Floyd and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of police forces coming under a lot of scrutiny.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm curious how you see You know, you've been in

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<v Speaker 1>New York, You've been in Boston, you've been in l A.

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<v Speaker 1>You understand big cities and the think and how it

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<v Speaker 1>all operates. But how do you feel those two situations

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<v Speaker 1>exacerbated or maybe got us to where we are today

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of what happened yesterday. There's no denying that

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<v Speaker 1>the George Floyd murder basically and the resultant demonstrations and

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<v Speaker 1>UH increase in mistrust to the police, the defund the

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<v Speaker 1>police movement that proved so disastrous to New York City

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<v Speaker 1>Police depart and lost a billion dollars in that ill

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<v Speaker 1>fated effort, which fortunately politicians and not running away from UH.

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<v Speaker 1>COVID was snificant impact, and they have pretty much shut

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<v Speaker 1>down the criminal justice system in America. But in the

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<v Speaker 1>case of New York City and the rest of America,

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<v Speaker 1>prime had already been beginning to go up in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand nineteen, a year before COVID and the politicians would

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<v Speaker 1>like to run away from that. But the criminal justice

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<v Speaker 1>reform efforts they were trying to put through in so

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<v Speaker 1>much of America, with these very progressive district attorneys who

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<v Speaker 1>are in office in many of our major cities, UH

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<v Speaker 1>has been disastrous. There was no city with one of

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<v Speaker 1>these progressive DA's that can show after their election crime decline,

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<v Speaker 1>crime increase, I'm sorry, please finish. And they're all experiencing

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<v Speaker 1>crime increase, so they're well intended efforts are not working.

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<v Speaker 1>And the irony was in two thousand and eighteen in

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<v Speaker 1>New York was the safest year in the history of

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<v Speaker 1>New York City. Lowest GEO population, lower state prison population,

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<v Speaker 1>lowest crime numbers, lowest numbers of summons is, lowest number

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<v Speaker 1>of stock question and fish issues, improving race relations. And

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<v Speaker 1>then in two thousand nineteen it says, if the wheels

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<v Speaker 1>come off the cab and we crashed, blame the politicians. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the other thing I think I want to bring in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of blame is maybe the system that's currently set up. Bill,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think about how many conversations we've had about

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<v Speaker 1>inequities in our society. Right there are folks out there

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<v Speaker 1>that are doing better than ever before despite the pandemic,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's wealth creation, job security, and there are others

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<v Speaker 1>that have not benefited by this system. And I do wonder,

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<v Speaker 1>you know how that eats at our society and create

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<v Speaker 1>certainly unease, discontent or terror, as potentially we saw yesterday. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's certainly always been the case that they has and

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<v Speaker 1>has not. But the irony of it is coming out

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<v Speaker 1>of the COVID. Uh is that just listening to some

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<v Speaker 1>of the reports this morning, eleven million jobs available in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States, but only seven billion people available to

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<v Speaker 1>take them, but those seven billion not taking them for

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<v Speaker 1>variety of reasons. So at least four million jobs that

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<v Speaker 1>can't be filled. So uh, the idea is that has

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<v Speaker 1>never been a time in recent history we there's so

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<v Speaker 1>many job opportunities and the salary for those jobs the

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<v Speaker 1>best they've been in quite a while. Unfortunately, it's also

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<v Speaker 1>in the highest rate of inflation at forty is that

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<v Speaker 1>it has even at the gas pump, at the grocery store.

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<v Speaker 1>So those are compounding issues about the inequities. But as

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<v Speaker 1>it relates to the crime situation, even in the worst

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<v Speaker 1>of times, we were able to control crime, and then

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<v Speaker 1>in the best of times we have to control it.

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<v Speaker 1>But what undid our efforts was unfortunately impact on some

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<v Speaker 1>of the minority communities that felt it was disproportionate policing. There.

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<v Speaker 1>We've learned how to address that and try to correct it.

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<v Speaker 1>But the trust we lost then is we're still having.

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<v Speaker 1>When I say we, I mean the police forces of

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<v Speaker 1>America still having trouble regaining that. But here in New

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<v Speaker 1>York City, part of the issue is it's a minority

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<v Speaker 1>majority city. UH still a lot of post Floyd UH

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<v Speaker 1>resentment towards the police is also still reluctance because of

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<v Speaker 1>COVID and now prime fear of crime. People come back

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<v Speaker 1>to work. My office building, I don't think it is

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<v Speaker 1>at thirty percent occupancy because we put out you put

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<v Speaker 1>out yesterday, and we write at the forty eight and

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<v Speaker 1>Pod Avenue right in the hot Midtown Manhattan, and most

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<v Speaker 1>of the stores that serviced us in terms of restaurants

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<v Speaker 1>instead of still closed. There was a report I think

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<v Speaker 1>was in the New York Times Wall Street Journal yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>the average employee in New York which spent about thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars in the surrounding businesses during the course of

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<v Speaker 1>for a year. But that's now down about six thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>So the economic impact on particularly in Manhattan, if you will,

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<v Speaker 1>and on the m t A, the MTA wridership is

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<v Speaker 1>still up about forty percent. That's why that incident yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>they was so troubling because it just increased the fear

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<v Speaker 1>of writing on the subway system. Yeah, I think you're

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely right about that. If you are just joined us.

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<v Speaker 1>We're speaking with Bill Braden, former Commissioner of the NYPD.

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<v Speaker 1>He was also chief of the l A p D.

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<v Speaker 1>He's spent nearly fifty years in law enforcement. He's now

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<v Speaker 1>executive Chairman of Risk at TENO. Commissioner Bratton. Um, it

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like there's this this a big challenge ahead for

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<v Speaker 1>district district attorneys. Uh, a big challenge ahead for police

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<v Speaker 1>officers and police chiefs around the country. If you were

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<v Speaker 1>advising politicians right now, because you did say, blame the

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<v Speaker 1>politicians for the rise, the increase in crime that we've

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<v Speaker 1>seen around the country, what would you advise them to do.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the delicate line that that they need, the delicate

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<v Speaker 1>needle that they need to thread when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>building that trust up with the community. What at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time empowering their officers to keep crime off the streets?

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever sejers is watch whate A Adams, the Mayo New

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<v Speaker 1>York is up to. In the sense of what he's

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<v Speaker 1>trying to do. He is moved from the left to

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<v Speaker 1>center in terms of trying to get more people onto

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<v Speaker 1>common ground from the progessive left the center right, And

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<v Speaker 1>advice to any of these mayors is this idea that

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<v Speaker 1>to control crime, you need the police, but you need

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<v Speaker 1>police to police compassionately, consistently, same in white neighborhood as

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<v Speaker 1>black neighborhoods, and constitutionally legally, And so their role is

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<v Speaker 1>to ensure that their police departments are operating a transparent

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<v Speaker 1>manner and engaged in constitutional policing. And we are better

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<v Speaker 1>able to do that now than ever body cameras, we

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot most survey and oversight, We have better

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<v Speaker 1>trained police officers, but we are dealing with a legacy

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<v Speaker 1>of historic tension between police and minority communities. But in

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<v Speaker 1>New York City, the irony was two thousand eighteen, the

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<v Speaker 1>safest year in the history of our city. That the

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<v Speaker 1>jail population in New York, which was largely a minority population,

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<v Speaker 1>had been reduced from twenty two over pick course of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years, took about an average of five thousand, and

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<v Speaker 1>the state prison population was down by a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>so that we have been ever to control crimes so

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<v Speaker 1>dramatically that we effectively change the behavior of a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people that they remained law abiding. They didn't break

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<v Speaker 1>the law. They didn't invade the fair. They weren't in

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<v Speaker 1>the times when marijuana was not legal, they weren't smoking

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<v Speaker 1>marijuana in public. It's a lot of the minor type

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<v Speaker 1>crime that got so many in trouble that this is

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<v Speaker 1>what the progressive left is trying to change the enforcement practices.

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<v Speaker 1>But there were some people in that population, if you will,

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<v Speaker 1>of those who are inclined to not obey the rules

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<v Speaker 1>that you have to punish. You cannot let people keep

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<v Speaker 1>getting away and never paying the fair, doing what they

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<v Speaker 1>want to do at any time of the day and night. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not how democracy works. So we've engaged in a

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<v Speaker 1>very interesting debate and delever at the moment. And I

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<v Speaker 1>look at the skills of justice, the symbol of justice

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<v Speaker 1>in America, the scales right now, it's very heavily in

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<v Speaker 1>favor of the reforms of the progressive left, well intended,

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<v Speaker 1>some needed, but tip too fa And what we have

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<v Speaker 1>as a result is growing fear of crime, is growing

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<v Speaker 1>actual amount of crime as evidence in almost every major

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<v Speaker 1>American city. Good news is that's what we're facing in

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<v Speaker 1>I'm informed by history. I lived it, and I know

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<v Speaker 1>how it changed. And the good news is with leadership

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<v Speaker 1>like Eric is trying to provide based on his knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>of history. Uh, maybe we can change it again, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to take a lot of people kind of

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<v Speaker 1>coming to center from there. It's kind of like the

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<v Speaker 1>troops in the World War One getting out of the

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<v Speaker 1>trenches and coming into no man's land and trying to

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<v Speaker 1>kill each other. Commiser bratn. One thing I want to

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<v Speaker 1>ask you is you know you have had, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>senior positions, as we said in New York, Boston, l A.

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<v Speaker 1>You have seen a lot of crisis situations and having

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<v Speaker 1>to bring together different constituents. Um, you know, what can

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<v Speaker 1>you tell us about the process right now of what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on? We know a certain amount of information. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot came out of uh that briefing just a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of hours ago, and yet officials are still tell telling

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<v Speaker 1>us that it might be weeks before we know a

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<v Speaker 1>lot a lot more. What kind of questioning is going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell us a little bit of what's going on behind

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<v Speaker 1>the scenes to the specifics of yesterday shooting incidents in

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<v Speaker 1>the press conference that just tell about two hours ago,

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<v Speaker 1>the building of the prosecution case now begins. The gathering

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<v Speaker 1>of huge amounts of evidence, the interviewing of hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>witnesses and victims, miles upon miles of video that will

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<v Speaker 1>be gone through, questioning hopefully of the suspect in the

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<v Speaker 1>sense that he will lower up and that loyal advice

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<v Speaker 1>about to say anything us, whether he chooses to or not.

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<v Speaker 1>As people would love to understand a little about motivation

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<v Speaker 1>other than just a social media post. Issue of concern

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<v Speaker 1>here in terms of the ability to prosecute him. UH.

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<v Speaker 1>Is he mentally sound to prosecute or is he so

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<v Speaker 1>emotionally unstable that they determined that he can't be held

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<v Speaker 1>to responsible for his actions. There's also the issue that

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<v Speaker 1>the federal government, federal prosecute is now taken over the

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<v Speaker 1>case under the Terrorism Statute, and so the idea this

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<v Speaker 1>is being treated as an act of terrorism going forward

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<v Speaker 1>UH and a lot of people felt that was the case.

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<v Speaker 1>But the UH federal prosecutor now is going to have

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<v Speaker 1>to really work very hard over the next several days

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<v Speaker 1>to fill in the gaps answer some of the questions

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<v Speaker 1>that are out there. UH, and the idea that's going

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<v Speaker 1>to take weeks and months. That's really weeks and months

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<v Speaker 1>to build a case that they can then take this

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<v Speaker 1>individual to trial, but in reality it's over. They have him.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no sense that he was working in con challenge

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<v Speaker 1>with anybody else, and so this is now effectively building

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<v Speaker 1>the case that the news we are because he's he's

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<v Speaker 1>been apprehended. Absolutely, I think we all a sigh of

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<v Speaker 1>relief there. What's the biggest question you have or you

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<v Speaker 1>would have certainly um for him at this point. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of what was his overall intention? We saw

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<v Speaker 1>some of his actions, but was that all he was

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<v Speaker 1>intending to do? Or for example, he had other incendiary

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<v Speaker 1>devices in that bag, what was he intended to do

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<v Speaker 1>with those? He had several more clips of those uh

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<v Speaker 1>extended magazines with thirty rounds in each magazine. In some

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<v Speaker 1>respects uh uh that may have would caused the second

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<v Speaker 1>magazine to jam because he shot the first dirty shots

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<v Speaker 1>are so fast that the weapon basically the second clip

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<v Speaker 1>went in uh pfactively open heated and jammed it. Commissioner,

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<v Speaker 1>we only have about thirty seconds left with you, so

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<v Speaker 1>I want to make sure to get this question. And

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<v Speaker 1>how important is that that the m t A make

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<v Speaker 1>sure they have functioning cameras throughout New York City's transportation

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<v Speaker 1>system functioning cameras that can also be shared with the

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement authorities. That these cameras are great, but if

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<v Speaker 1>they're not able to Basically, since the UH worked with

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<v Speaker 1>every other camera system and the law enforcement has, the

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<v Speaker 1>functionality is limited to strictly operational aspects and not law

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<v Speaker 1>enforcement aspects. Alright, We're gonna leave it on that note. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>Commissioner Broughton, thank you so much. I really appreciate your time.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, former New York Police Department Police Commissioner Bill

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<v Speaker 1>Bratton holding you know, senior positions again as we mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>in New York, of course Boston and Los Angeles as well.

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<v Speaker 1>We appreciate him joining us via Zoom executive chairman by

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<v Speaker 1>the way of risk Advisory today. We've often spoken with

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<v Speaker 1>him ahead of the Super Bowl when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>security and risk concerns, so this is certainly top of

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<v Speaker 1>mind and something he knows an awful lot about. Really

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<v Speaker 1>great to get Commissioner Bratton's thoughts on everything that's happened

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<v Speaker 1>in the last thirty six hours