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Speaker 1: hello there, and happy Monday. It's Martin Luther King Day.

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Speaker 1: So I hope you're doing some sort of service project

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Speaker 1: if you have a chance to do that in honor

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Speaker 1: of him, or however you plan to mark the day,

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Speaker 1: or if you're doing what I'm doing, which is I'm

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Speaker 1: here in Miami already as I'm taping for you, I

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Speaker 1: am going to the big National title game Miami, Indiana.

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Speaker 1: I have to tell you I've got a mixed bag

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Speaker 1: about this entire podcast, because I couldn't be more excited

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Speaker 1: about this game, and I couldn't be more nervous about

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Speaker 1: the state of the world, which I'm going to get

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Speaker 1: to you in a minute. I don't want it to

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Speaker 1: come across like ipurbole. I really mean it. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: you know, I am sadly too good at compartmentalizing, so

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Speaker 1: I have certainly compartmentalized. But yes, I am down here

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Speaker 1: for Miami. Just got down here, flew from d C.

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Speaker 1: Apparently d C was the connecting city for all my

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Speaker 1: friends from Indianapolis who were changing planes. If you didn't

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Speaker 1: get your non stop from Innnianapolis to Miami, you changed

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Speaker 1: planes in d C. Apparently. Apparently there we have quite

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Speaker 1: a few nonstops. There are about five or six of them,

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Speaker 1: so I see where we're Sometimes d National is treated

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Speaker 1: as a sort of quasi hub from some city. So yes,

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Speaker 1: there were a ton of Indiana fans a couple of

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Speaker 1: Miami fans on the plane. But it's been great being

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Speaker 1: down here, in the fact that it's nice to see

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Speaker 1: I have yet to pass it an electronic construction sign

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Speaker 1: right that hasn't, said Gokain, So I'm glad to see that.

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Speaker 1: It's a little look. I'm gonna have more to say

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Speaker 1: about this game at the end. I actually got something

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Speaker 1: to say about the transfer portal in the state of

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Speaker 1: college football, because Miami once again is stirring the pot

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Speaker 1: if you will on that good bad, and indifferent on there.

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Speaker 1: But let's be honest, college football is the least of

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Speaker 1: our concerns. Unfortunately for the world right now, I'm obsessed

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Speaker 1: with the next twenty four hours. Don't get me wrong

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Speaker 1: on college football, but we're in a serious situation here.

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Speaker 1: We are in a moment that I don't know if

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Speaker 1: we are all fully comprehending the moment that we're in.

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Speaker 1: But I'm going to put this as a question because

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Speaker 1: I know it's going to sound I am trying really

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Speaker 1: hard not to overreact here, But here's the question that

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Speaker 1: we need to be contemplating. With Donald Trump's use of

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Speaker 1: paris not just his economic policy, but as a negotiating

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Speaker 1: and coercive tool, which is what he's doing to Europe

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Speaker 1: right now increase the likelihood of America stumbling in to

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Speaker 1: which is why I think it's time to start warning

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Speaker 1: this point there you know, look, I believe there's always

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Speaker 1: We have seen this. This has been true ever since

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Speaker 1: he came down that escalator. He will do something to

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Speaker 1: will be a line too far. Remember Liz Cheney was

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Speaker 1: many Senate Republicans and how many House Republicans are going

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Speaker 1: to put the country and the globe ahead of loyalty

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Speaker 1: to Donald John Trump. And I think that's something I

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Speaker 1: the point I sort of want to and I don't

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Speaker 1: now have inched us closer to a hot war with

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Speaker 1: more countries then we've had, arguably since you know, more

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Speaker 1: than anything post nine to eleven. Because what tariffs do,

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Speaker 1: they do change relationships. And when tariffs are not used

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Speaker 1: or used not as policy but as leverage, especially against allies,

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Speaker 1: they can quietly turn economic disputes into security problems. Let's

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Speaker 1: go back in time. It's June of nineteen thirty. United

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Speaker 1: States passes the Smoot Holly Tariff Act. Holly is no relationship,

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Speaker 1: intent was simple. At the time, they wanted to protect

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Speaker 1: American farmers and workers during a deepening economic downturn. Right

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Speaker 1: this is just after the stock market crash. Well, the

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Speaker 1: effect of this was catastrophic, and not just economically but diplomatically,

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Speaker 1: because here's what Smoot Holly did. Smoot Holly raised duties

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Speaker 1: was even magnified by deflation. Right, the less our money

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Speaker 1: But the signal to the world was unmistakable. America was

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Speaker 1: historians will rightly argue that Smoot Holly did not cause

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Speaker 1: Monetary policy, the gold standard, political extremism, reparations, and capital flows.

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Speaker 1: But smoot Holly became something else. It also became a

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Speaker 1: of the nineteen thirties. The real damage wasn't just economic.

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Speaker 1: It was also diplomatic. When trade becomes punitive, allies stopped

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Speaker 1: acting like partners and they start acting like hedgers. Again

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Speaker 1: what Canada just did. Democracies didn't want confrontation, but they

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Speaker 1: did a big deal with China. Now, the logic didn't

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Speaker 1: Now let's go back to where we are right now,

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Speaker 1: allow the United States essentially to buy Greenland. Remember this

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Speaker 1: EU on steel or autos. These are tariffs, taxes, levies,

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Speaker 1: whatever you want to call them, used as leverage for

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Speaker 1: territorial and strategic gain. Economic bullying is what it is,

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Speaker 1: and it's being under the umbrella of national security in

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Speaker 1: the Arctic, and Europe's response is telling you everything you

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Speaker 1: need to know. EU ambassadors are gathering for emergency talks,

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Speaker 1: emergency talks on how to respond. The United States cannot

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Speaker 1: Maybe we're still a military ally for NATO for the moment,

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Speaker 1: but we'll get to that. The French President Manuel Macron

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Speaker 1: has called for the EU to activate an anti coercion instrument.

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Speaker 1: It's a tool that the EU had, but it had

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Speaker 1: this anti coersion law allows the EU to do. It

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Speaker 1: to restrict access to its market for countries that use

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Speaker 1: economic pressure to extract political concessions, which is exactly what

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Speaker 1: Trump's doing. He's using economic pressure to extract a political concession.

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Speaker 1: This has nothing to do with our trade deficit, This

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Speaker 1: So the lesson is smooth, Holly. Isn't just that tariffs

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Speaker 1: A few other things that I wanted to make note of. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: the big, the big political news is Donald Trump's decision

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Speaker 1: to indeed go after Bill Cassidy, Republican Center from Louisiana,

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Speaker 1: despite all of Cassidy's efforts to suck up to the

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Speaker 1: the lies that Kennedy told him, and sort of Cassidy

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Speaker 1: one reason. He was up for election this year, and

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Speaker 1: he was just hoping that he showed he could be

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Speaker 1: a team player work with the Trump administration on a

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Speaker 1: handful of these issues that maybe he wouldn't endorse against him. Right,

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Speaker 1: he wasn't necessarily hoping for the endorsement. Now, remember what

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Speaker 1: Cassidy did right. Cassidy is one of the seven Republican

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Speaker 1: senators who chose to vote to convict Donald Trump. He

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Speaker 1: was probably the most surprising one at the time. A

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Speaker 1: lot of people were surprised because you saw him. Most

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Speaker 1: people thought it would be retiring senator centators that weren't

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Speaker 1: going to be trying to see he was in his

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Speaker 1: first term. It was, and he's from a super red state. Well,

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Speaker 1: Julia let Lowe a congresswoman who has been some have

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Speaker 1: been trying to recruit her to come against to run

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Speaker 1: in this primary. Trump officially endorsed her. Now, the primary

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Speaker 1: deadline filing deadline is February thirteenth. You know, let's see.

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Speaker 1: My guess is Cassidy's going to do some polling. He's

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Speaker 1: going to see And I remember Louisiana changed its rules

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Speaker 1: going to work is beyond me. But he, like everybody else,

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Speaker 1: and scorpion has now stung him. But Louisiana Republicans got

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Speaker 1: All everybody participates in the primary. If nobody gets fifty percent,

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Speaker 1: then the top two meet in a runoff. There's slightly

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Speaker 1: created this new federal carve out. All of it was

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Speaker 1: just designed by sort of mega Republicans in Louisiana to

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Speaker 1: target Bill Cassidy. So he's got to deal with a

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Speaker 1: regular old Republican primary where a Trump endorsement's probably enough

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Speaker 1: to win or loose, depending on which side of the

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Speaker 1: endorsement you're in. So Cassidy's in big trouble. Let's see

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Speaker 1: what happens. He doesn't have the benefit of that there.

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Speaker 1: You know. I happen to believe he should be running

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Speaker 1: as an independent. Maybe he chooses to do that. I

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Speaker 1: think the only path the reelection for him was is

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Speaker 1: I think there's a path for him if that, if

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Speaker 1: So we'll see what he does. I'm speculating on the

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Speaker 1: independent run. That's not anything that's out there. I know

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Speaker 1: compromise asidential candidate. So I don't think he feels any

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Speaker 1: So you know, if he really wants to be a

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Speaker 1: United States senator, I think a path exists. I don't

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Speaker 1: think it means running as a Democrat. I think that

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Speaker 1: would be a mistake. I don't think he could do that.

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Speaker 1: But if he said, if he pulled the Lisa Murkowski

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Speaker 1: But you got to go win first, and you gotta

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Speaker 1: It's more likely to lose than win. But if you've

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Speaker 1: if you've got principles, you want to fight for Senator Cassidy,

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Speaker 1: that's the path to do it. I think he is

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Speaker 1: the type of guy that could win just enough Democrats,

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Speaker 1: he his these decisions are directly impacting the health and

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Speaker 1: that might have a year ago had he chosen this path.

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Speaker 1: But I wonder now if he's going to hold back

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Speaker 1: Tom Tilli's announced that he's retiring instead of running a primary,

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Speaker 1: praying that somehow Trump was going to endorse him, which

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Speaker 1: he never was. You know, Tillos was the first Republican

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Speaker 1: So I'm fascinated to watch what Cassidy does. I'm not

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Speaker 1: But we'll see what he does. But this is a

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Speaker 1: So we shall see. Very curious to watch what mister

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Speaker 1: as Muhammad Ali. At the time, this was not treated

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Speaker 1: as a personal or spiritual decision. In many ways, this

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Speaker 1: was treated as a provocation. It's hard to overstate how Jarring.

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Speaker 1: This actually was back in nineteen sixty four. Okay, we

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Speaker 1: multi ethnic democracy until nineteen sixty six. Okay, Ali wasn't

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Speaker 1: even in eras when we were a racist, openly racist

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Speaker 1: challenge it. Well, I'll lead to the opposite. He was loud,

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Speaker 1: Trust me, those Ali Fraser fights. Back in the day,

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Speaker 1: Muhammad Ali was talk about something that was hard on

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Speaker 1: So why did this feel threatening at the time. Well,

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Speaker 1: He rejected a name that he associated with slavery, He

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Speaker 1: rejected expectations of obedience, and he rejected the idea that

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Speaker 1: fame required submission to some sort of rule book. In

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00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty four, Okay, that combination hit three nerves all

642
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: at once, race, religion, and patriotism. So to say, it

643
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: sparked a lot of outrage. As and understatement, we didn't

644
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: even have social media then. The press did not treat

645
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: him as a young man asserting autonomy. The press back

646
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: then treated him as a problem to be managed. The

647
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Speaker 1: sports can I just tell you so. Look, there were

648
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: some great sports writers back then, but there were a

649
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 1: lot of sports writers that were just terrible and terrible humans.

650
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: The treatment that Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Muhammad Ali, Jim Brown

651
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 1: got from sports writers simply because they had a political

652
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: opinion was when you look back on it, just outrageous,

653
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 1: just outrageous. But two years later, Ali's transformation from controversial

654
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: to outright villain even accelerated when he refused induction in

655
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: the US military during the Vietnam War. The backlash was

656
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: swift and severe. He lost his heavyweight title, he lost

657
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: his eating, couldn't even get a license to box. He

658
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: lost four prime years of his career. It's one of

659
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 1: the keys, basically one of the greatest heavyweights of all time,

660
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: and he lost four years of his career to some

661
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: sort of unofficial political banishment because he was labeled as

662
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 1: an American ungrateful and dangerous, but Ali didn't change his beliefs.

663
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: When the pressure intensified, he absorbed the punishment, and he

664
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: paid the price in real time. But something else was

665
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 1: happening slowly, unevenly, and almost reluctantly. The Vietnam War grew

666
00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 1: more unpopular, the civil rights movement exposed, deeper hypocrisies, Distrust

667
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Speaker 1: of institutions spread, and in retrospect, Ali's stance began to

668
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: look less radical and instead a bit more prophetic. Court

669
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: rulings eventually vindicated him. Public opinions softened, and Ali returned

670
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: to the ring, not just as a fighter that is

671
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Speaker 1: a symbol of endurance. I'm sure he was polarizing, but

672
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: he wasn't dismissed anymore. Now, this part often gets overlooked,

673
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 1: but Ali didn't just wait for America to come around.

674
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: Ali evolved as well. He remained principled, but he also

675
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: became more reflective as he got older, more generous in

676
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: tone on his and more willing to let humor, grace,

677
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: and vulnerability soften the message. Parkinson's disease cruel as it

678
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: was transformed how the public saw him. He no longer

679
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: was a threat. They finally saw him as a human being.

680
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: And then Ali himself leaned into that humanity, but he

681
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 1: never leaned into it. By recanting, he neologized, but he

682
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: did allow the country to see him not just as

683
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: a defiant rebel, but as a man who carried conviction

684
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Speaker 1: at great personal cost. And if you want the clear

685
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Speaker 1: symbol of how America came back to Ali, for those

686
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Speaker 1: of you a certain age, you'll never forget this moment

687
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Speaker 1: the nineteen ninety six Atlanta Olympics. There's Muhammad Ali, a

688
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: gold medal winner. That's why he was there. His hands

689
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 1: were shaking, his bodily body was badly weakened, you could

690
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: see it. And he lit the Olympic torch. Same man

691
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: who was once stripped of his title, once branded unpatriotic,

692
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: was now celebrated as a unifying national icon. Same beliefs,

693
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: same past, different memory. So this is why I thought

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Speaker 1: I'd do a little try to be in a weird way,

695
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Speaker 1: try to be a bit uplifting with the time machine today.

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Speaker 1: So January twenty second, nineteen sixty four matters. It reminds

697
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: us that societies are often terrible at judging dissent in

698
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: real time, and we're remarkably generous at celebrating it later.

699
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: Ali didn't change America overnight. America changed its story about Ali, though,

700
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Speaker 1: and that tells us something important that's just about him,

701
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: but about all of us. We love our rebels once

702
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: they're no longer dangerous, We on our courage once the

703
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: cost has been paid, and we smooth the rough edges

704
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: of history to make ourselves feel wiser than we actually

705
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: were at the time. So look, when we look back

706
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: at Muhammad Ali, we shouldn't just marvel at the arc

707
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: from villain to hero. We should ask a harder question,

708
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Speaker 1: who are we dismissing today that we'll pretend we understood tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: January twenty second, nineteen sixty four wasn't the birth of

710
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Speaker 1: a hero. It was the moment America was challenged, and

711
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: at the time America didn't know how to respond. They

712
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: eventually figured it out. All right, let's do a few letters. Letters.

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00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 1: Listen to me, letters. I have these letters the mail

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Speaker 1: bag right the post office drops all these letters as Chuck,

715
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: probably only going to do three or four. We'll see

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00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: how I feel, right, all right? Anyway, all right, first

717
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: question comes from Jason Williamsburg, Virginia, and he says, hey, check,

718
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Speaker 1: I found your podcast through Chrystalism. I've really enjoyed the

719
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: new iteration. Thank you, Solissa. Appreciate that brother, especially as

720
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: someone who lives in the middle politically. I appreciated the

721
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: year in Top five books list. It pushed me to

722
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 1: read titles I might have skipped, like one hundred and

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Speaker 1: seven Days The Drift and Faithful Hours. Currently reading The

724
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Speaker 1: Barn after hearing your interview, such a powerful conversation, No

725
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: question here, just heartfelt thanks. Even if we'll always see

726
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: sports through orange and blue glasses and go Gators. Wow,

727
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: when a Gator can say something nice and I can

728
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: say something nice about the Cators. You are a great university.

729
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: It's a really good academic institutionaire in the state of Florida.

730
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 1: So I should I should give the Gators a little

731
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: bit more credit than that. So glad you brought up

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Speaker 1: The Barn. Man. I've been thinking, Man, I got it right, Thompson,

733
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,919
Speaker 1: all the guests I've had, I'm like, who's the guy

734
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: I want to I just want to watch him watch

735
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: sort of watch America's two hunred and fifty eeth birthday

736
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: with almost constantly. It's with right Thompson anyway, He's uh,

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00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: I'm glad, glad you're enjoyed the barn. That's great to hear.

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Speaker 1: Patrick from Waterford, Michigan. Rights, Hey, Chuck, congrats your canes

739
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: and that incredible fiesta. Ble just bought my fiestable victory

740
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: Victory and sut at the Hurricane store today. Patrick, he goes,

741
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: I'm struck by the hypocrisy of treating Ashley Babbitt as

742
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: a martyr while labeling Renee good as a domestic terrorist.

743
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: He actually Babboitt, of course, was the woman that was

744
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: killed on January sixth, Renee Goods, the woman that was

745
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: killed during that confrontation with an Ice officer a couple

746
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: of weeks ago. With recent GOP resignations and death, what's

747
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,879
Speaker 1: their current House majority? Three? If it's that slim, could

748
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 1: you see any Republican temporarily becoming independence to shift control

749
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: and restore function to the Chamber. Anyone like Don Bacon

750
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: or Thomas Massey come to mind. Patrick, You know, that's

751
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: an interesting question, and I don't rule anything out right

752
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 1: if you look at it, and it goes back to

753
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: my opening monologue today, the erratic behavior of this administration

754
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: as a lot of I think Republicans, particularly ones that

755
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: are retiring, that could be in a different spot. Look, politically,

756
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: it's terrible for the Democrats to get control of the

757
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 1: House before November, but it may be that the country

758
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: it happens, maybe maybe you know, who's to say if

759
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: leadership isn't responding properly to this threat in Europe. I mean,

760
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: if if it really feels like he's going to start

761
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: pounding war drums with Canada and Europe over this Greenland

762
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: business or with the Chinese trade deal that Canada struck,

763
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: I wouldn't rule anything out. I think you've identified. I

764
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: think Bacon is the right guy to identify. Maybe Massy right,

765
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: you could picture both of them. They're both going to

766
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: be serving out if mass can lose his primary, but

767
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: he's still a member of Congress for the rest of

768
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. So look at this point, I don't

769
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: rule anything out. It's all of those scenarios unlikely, sure,

770
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 1: but we haven't had House majorities this slim going back

771
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: to the turn of the nineteenth and twentieth century, So

772
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: it's I don't expect any of those things though, unless

773
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Speaker 1: there's a perceived emergency. I know some of you may say, well,

774
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: isn't Trump's danger right now in emergency? I hear you.

775
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: I think for plenty of us that does sort of

776
00:49:48,440 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: meet the definition of emergency. So that's the only that'd

777
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: be the only way I could picture that scenario where

778
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 1: you lawmaker switching in any of that stuff. Um, all right.

779
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: Next question comes from Mike, and he writes, Hey, really

780
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Speaker 1: enjoy the podcast in your thoughtful coverage. I've been wondering

781
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: what if policy experts drafted we the People bills on

782
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: issues with seventy percent plus public support, like campaign finance

783
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: or gun control, and voters pledged not to support reps

784
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: who refused to pass them. Could that force action on

785
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 1: popular issues that never get a vote due to the filibuster?

786
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: Also sports trivia for you do know the pro team

787
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: that won the most games in its league in a

788
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: season but still miss the playoffs? Thanks for all that

789
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Speaker 1: you do, Mike. Huh the pro team. That's interesting the

790
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Speaker 1: way you put pro team there that won the most

791
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 1: games in its league in a season but still missed

792
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: the playoffs. I'm going to guess it is. I believe

793
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Speaker 1: it's the Cincinnati Reds. From nineteen eighty one, So nineteen

794
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Speaker 1: eighty one had that. Yes, I'm gonna guess. I hope

795
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: you file back. I'll look it up later. I did

796
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Speaker 1: not pre I never do that. I want, I always

797
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 1: want to answer the question sort of this. Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: do research if I feel like I need to answer

799
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: the question. But with the trivia question, I'm keeping one

800
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: on that yet. I think I think my answer is

801
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Reds nineteen eighty one. That was the bait. It

802
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: was a split season, the strike happened sort of, they

803
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: literally had we had It was the first time they

804
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: ever had divisional playoffs, and then of course we now

805
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: have them in the past. So I think the Dodgers

806
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: won the first half of the nl WES, the Astros

807
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,760
Speaker 1: won the second half of the nl WES. The Reds

808
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: finished second in both. Right, but what and then once

809
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: you decided you won one, you didn't really have to

810
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: if you already knew you were in the playoffs, you

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00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: didn't really have to worry about uh, if you're in

812
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: the place, he didn't really have to worry about competing

813
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 1: in the second time. So I believe and I remember

814
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: then that the Cincinnati Reds that was I think it

815
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: was them, but it was some team and it sticks

816
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: with me. There was red back then. The Reds were

817
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: in the NL West. That goes in the crazy horrible

818
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: divisions we used to have, and so I think that's it.

819
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: So they didn't get into the playoffs because they finished second.

820
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: I believe in both halves of that season. Mike, I

821
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Speaker 1: hope that's the one you have, because then I'll feel

822
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:24,399
Speaker 1: really smarty pants about myself that one. All right. Last

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00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: question goes from it's gonna be a little Packer question

824
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 1: here and goes Chuck Chuck. Chuck. Appreciated your take on

825
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: the Packer's bear rivalry. But you've got to grow You've

826
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: got to grow up with it to really understand it.

827
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: It goes way deeper than football. It's big city, arrogant

828
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: Chicago for a small town friendly this Wisconsin. Oh, buddy,

829
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: I know that. My father, Waterloo, Iowa. Okay, why was

830
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: he a Packer fan? And water Looiowan, who was growing

831
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: up as a kid in the fifties because you hated

832
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: everything Chicago and who was Chicago's greatest rival was the Packers.

833
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: So that was why he became a Packer fan exactly

834
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: for what you're defining there, all right. But you know, now,

835
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: Iowans are split between I think the Vikings and the

836
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: Chiefs these days more than more than the Packers. But

837
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: I digress. But yes, he goes. Bears fans often say

838
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: they're treated great at Lambeau. Not so much for Packers

839
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 1: fans at social field, mind you, not like the respectful

840
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: Packers Vikings rival Go pack Go John As keep up

841
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: the great podcast. So no, no, no, You're right about

842
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: the whole Chicago arrogance thing. That is absolutely why. That

843
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: is absolutely why my dad became a Packer fan. It

844
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 1: was being anti Chicago, no more, no less. All right,

845
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: A quick word on this in this football game. A

846
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 1: few things, and I'm gonna make it a bit Miami

847
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: as in the community centric more than anything else. It's

848
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: been amazing to watch this town really get fired up

849
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 1: about their Hurricanes, because you know, when Miami went its

850
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: first national title in eighty three, this was still a

851
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: Dolphins town and by the way, deserved Okay, it was

852
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: a deserved Dolphins town. They made everything else run there

853
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: was We had no other pro sports. It was just

854
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: the Dolphins. The heat would come in nineteen eighty seven

855
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: and then the Hurricanes rose up and Hurricane football, you know,

856
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: became the number two thing to the Dolphins. I still

857
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 1: have that great cover Marino and co Sar on the

858
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: cover of Sports Illustrated. You know, it was eighty It's

859
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: it's you know, that's what that was. That was what

860
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 1: going viral meant back in the eighties. What's amazing now

861
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 1: is I think the Hurricanes are now the number one

862
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: team in South Florida, the number one the number one

863
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: team in Miami. I mean the Dolphins are just in

864
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: this funk that is now three generations. I mean it

865
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:56,399
Speaker 1: is basically what Marino retires sometime in ninety nine, ninety eight.

866
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: I feel like I go back to that sixty three

867
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: to seven long that the Dolphins had in the playoffs

868
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: that the Jacksonville Jaguars. I think it was Johnson's last

869
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: year's coach, Jimmy Johnson's. It just feels like like that

870
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: was like this exclamation point. You know, Marino makes a

871
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: super Bowl in his first year as a starter, second

872
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: year as a pro, and the assumption was, oh, he's

873
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 1: gonna be back to so many super Bowls, never gets

874
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: back to another one. That Dolphins haven't really think they

875
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: were in one other AFC title game, maybe two if

876
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: I'm keeping track. So it is this time to watch

877
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: this town. I have to say, is it is absolutely

878
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:36,879
Speaker 1: become a Hurricanes football town. We love football here. High

879
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: school football is so popular. All the dominant high school

880
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: football teams in the state of Florida, almost all of

881
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: them are either in Miami, Dade County, Broward County. You know,

882
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: South Florida really is one of the dominant sort of

883
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 1: high school football areas in the country. So football is

884
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: just you know, so whoever's the winner. And look, some

885
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: people say it's fair weather. It's not fair weather. We

886
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: show up for winning teams. Miami fans don't show up

887
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: for losing teams. Now, I show up for all my

888
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: Hurricane games because I love my games and I feel

889
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: that loyal to them. But it's I have to say,

890
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: in the hierarchy, I think it's Kane's football one right now.

891
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,479
Speaker 1: I still think the Heat are two and the Heat

892
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: had the number one spot. I'd argue for a bit there.

893
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 1: My friend Barry Jackson at The Herald might have I'd

894
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: love his opinion on this, and Dan Lebtard what they

895
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: think of this. But I think I think the Heat

896
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 1: was sort of in that one slot for a while there,

897
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: but we didn't like them there, right. We always wanted

898
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: one of the two football teams to get there. The

899
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: Dolphins are the Hurricanes. So the Hurricanes getting good and

900
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 1: right back. But you know, right now, I'm wondering if

901
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 1: if the MLS team and essentially messy is number three,

902
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: and are the Dolphins four? Are the Dolphins fourth? Why

903
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: they got to get this new coach, right, They got

904
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: to get a new quarterback, They got to get some

905
00:56:55,480 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 1: new juice here. It's you know, it's like watching what's

906
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,280
Speaker 1: happened to the Dolphins, very similar to what I've watched

907
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: front row seat with the Commanders and the Washington football

908
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,760
Speaker 1: team over that period of time. But unlike the Washington

909
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: football team, I think the Dolphins have a good owner.

910
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: It just they've just chosen poorly when it comes to quarterbacks.

911
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: They've just not gotten it right since Marino. And it's

912
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 1: however you want to look at it, it's been a mess,

913
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: but it has just been fascinating. I feel like there's

914
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: more support from Miami Hurricane football right now than I

915
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 1: have ever seen in South Florida. Part of it has

916
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,919
Speaker 1: been a while since we've had some winning football around here.

917
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: So there's a little bit of a lot of thirsty

918
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: people running to the water, cold water, and that cold

919
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 1: water is being delivered by the University of Miami. But

920
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: that's been heartening to watch. So look, I am, I'm

921
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: obviously recording before the game. Some of you may hear

922
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: this after the game. I'm pretty confident it's going to

923
00:57:59,960 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: be a close game. I am. I would be shocked

924
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: if Miami lost by more than I'd be by more

925
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: than one score okay, three, seven, eight, Okay, I'd be shocked.

926
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 1: That's why I think that the line is sort of absurd.

927
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: A few things I'm worried about. If Miami loses a

928
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: close game because they fizzle in the fourth quarter, Well,

929
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: Miami's played three playoff games to get here, h and

930
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: had to play all four quarters. Indiana's only I had

931
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: to do two and only had to really play two

932
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 1: quarters in each game. Right, They are a little better

933
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 1: arrested than Miami is. I worry that the Old miss

934
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: game felt like a war of attrition, and we've got

935
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 1: we're we're already of you know, so I worry about

936
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: depth a little bit. I worry about just exhaustion. These

937
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 1: guys rare. No, nobody plays sixteen games very often. Now

938
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna obviously with the playoff coming full full uh,

939
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: you know, becoming a full time thing, this will happen.

940
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 1: We'll have it. Eight or ten teams have to play

941
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 1: at least, you know, thirteen, fourteen, and then the final

942
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: two teams play sixteen games when all said and done.

943
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 1: But it's uh, that's the one thing I'm worried about.

944
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: But you know, it's the strangest thing. And I shared

945
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: this with you before the last time Miami was an

946
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: underdog at home playing for a national title at home

947
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: was against a team whose colors were red and white,

948
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: those big bad Nebraska Cornhuskers, and they were I think,

949
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 1: I think I read today, I'm not going to remember

950
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 1: this one. I read this today. They were eleven and

951
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: a half point favorites. It's a great game, one of

952
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: the all time games. And by the way, if Nebraska

953
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: had gotten the two point conversion, there was forty seconds

954
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 1: left in that game. Bernie Kosar was not losing that game.

955
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 1: Miami was going to win that game. They would have

956
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: just had to win. The final score would have been

957
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: thirty four to thirty two, thirty one thirty. But that's

958
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: how co Star was not going to be stopped. That

959
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: game just wasn't going to be stopped, and that Nebraska

960
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 1: defense was exhausted. They could not cover our guys. It

961
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: wasn't going to happen. So we'll see. There's a little

962
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: bit of a weird news. Looks like Miami's got its quarterback.

963
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:27,439
Speaker 1: I think as Darrin Mensa is his name from Duke. Look,

964
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 1: I'm glad Miami's got this quarterback. Look, I'm not comfortable

965
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: with the circumstances. I don't believe Miami tampered. I actually

966
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 1: believe that the fact that Ty Simpson, the quarterback that

967
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: decided to stay going pro, where he went public saying

968
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 1: Miami offered him six and a half million dollars to

969
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 1: pull out of the NFL draft like Carson Beck did

970
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: and play one season for Miami. He chose to pursue

971
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 1: the NFL draft. It was weird that he decided to

972
01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 1: go public with that, with how much Miami offered. Now,

973
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: if you tell me that the an agent or a

974
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: family member of Mensa said, WHOA, Miami needs a quarterback

975
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: and they're willing to pay six and a half. Well,

976
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: Mensa is better than Ty Simpson. Yes, Mensa's better than

977
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 1: Dye Simpson. How much could he get? So I think

978
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 1: it's very possible, you know, I don't I you know,

979
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: I don't want to presume nefarious things. I don't think,

980
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: you know, I think with so many eyeballs on Miami,

981
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 1: I don't think Miami's breaking any rules. There's barely any

982
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: rules with this anyway. But I don't think they think

983
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 1: they're going to be super careful. So I don't think

984
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:35,959
Speaker 1: this is going to be a tampering situation or anything

985
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: like that. It's just you think you have a contract

986
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: with a player. Look, Miami was on the other end

987
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: of this last year with a couple of receivers. Shoot

988
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 1: Duke was the predator on Tulane in sort of a

989
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 1: similar situation to get Mensa in the first place last season.

990
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm not saying they're good guys. Are

991
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: bad guys here. The system sucks and you think you

992
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 1: have a contract. You know, they thought they had him

993
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 1: for a two year deal with this revenue share, and

994
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: it turns out even a contract is not a contract.

995
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 1: That's got to change. And like I said, I'm glad

996
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 1: Miami got. Miami probably ended up with a better quarterback

997
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 1: than any of the three they pursued. I think Mens

998
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 1: is that better than Sam Levitt, Mensus, better than Teddy Simpson.

999
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 1: Mens is probably better than than uh than Soresby. But

1000
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 1: if the roles were reversed, we'd all be crying foul

1001
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 1: to be complaining and then to do it in conference,

1002
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 1: it's just a mess. And then of course here in

1003
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 1: Miami it's the whole Many Dias Mario thing, so it

1004
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 1: becomes this weird Cuban Cuban rivalry too, you know, Many Dias,

1005
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 1: It's always kind of been. I think, you know, his

1006
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 1: father is one of the few Cuban democrats. You know,

1007
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 1: I've always thought that was a little bit of a

1008
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,439
Speaker 1: cause of a little bit of of why he wasn't

1009
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: as embraced Manny Diaz Junior as in Miami the way

1010
01:02:54,960 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: Mario's embraced Mario. Yeah, Columbus high guy that was sort

1011
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: of working class cubans An ideas, wasn't so I you know,

1012
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 1: I don't look, you could we could all pick through that.

1013
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: But boy, talk about adding to what is this week?

1014
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 1: What is turning into a fascinating little rivalry here between

1015
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 1: many Dias and Mario. Crystopaul. But if you're wondering, my

1016
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 1: friend Marco Puto and I were joking about this, the

1017
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 1: Cuban power index, Marco Rubio right down here in Miami.

1018
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 1: Marco Rubio got Maduro. That's that's got him pretty high

1019
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 1: up on the in the Cuban community. Here right now,

1020
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:36,479
Speaker 1: Fernando Mendezo win a Heisman, He's probably number one. Ruby

1021
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 1: is probably number two. Poor Mario is probably number three.

1022
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 1: But if Mario wins a national title, check the records here.

1023
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 1: But I believe he's the first non white Anglo to win.

1024
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 1: It's not an insignificant development. And I remember in the

1025
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 1: eighties wondering what would with the Cuban community and all

1026
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 1: of that with there withere there be an embracing of

1027
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 1: of Miami Hurricanes, football, of football as a sport and

1028
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 1: all of that stuff. Boy, thirty five years later, that

1029
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 1: relationship couldn't be any tighter. And it's done nothing but

1030
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 1: benefit the benefit the University of Miami. But I will

1031
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 1: say this, I'm not going to sit here and say

1032
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 1: the mensa thing. It's you know, this is a reminder

1033
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 1: that when when Miami starts winning, everybody wants in. You know,

1034
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 1: we may lose out the Ohio state and recruiting wars

1035
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: when we're not winning, but now that we're winning, those

1036
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 1: kids are going to stay. They're not those receivers that

1037
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 1: we're going to Columbus Ohio probably going to say, and

1038
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that break records at Duke. When they suddenly see

1039
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 1: that there's an opening for a quarterback here at Miami,

1040
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 1: they're going to want to end. So I think this

1041
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 1: is the this is what success means with these with

1042
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 1: this new system. But I mean, we've got to figure

1043
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 1: out a system where a contract means something, because again

1044
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 1: we've been on the wrong Miami's been on the wrong

1045
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 1: end of this. See Isaiah a. Fee, these other guys,

1046
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 1: Kolby Young, a couple of receivers from last team. So

1047
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: it's none of us should be celebrating the fact that

1048
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 1: this can happen. We still need to figure out how

1049
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 1: to get and I promise you Congress is going to

1050
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 1: get involved. No one's going to cry for Duke. Okay,

1051
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 1: you know they've got plenty of money, private school, all

1052
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 1: of that, and again they went and poached from Tulane, right,

1053
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 1: they were a predator it just turned out they had

1054
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 1: a larger predator coming after them. All right with that,

1055
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a break for forty eight hours. I'm

1056
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 1: now getting into all Canes mode. Apparently we're supposed to

1057
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 1: wear orange at the game tomorrow, not green, so you're

1058
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 1: gonna see a lot of red and orange. So fix

1059
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 1: your TV screens so that you can see the distinction

1060
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 1: between the red and the orange. And let's hope it's

1061
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 1: at least fifty fifty. My prediction is if Miami wins,

1062
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 1: they win the game twenty four to seventeen. I don't

1063
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 1: expect a super high scoring, but I think we hold

1064
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:12,919
Speaker 1: Indiana under twenty four points. So twenty four twenty four,

1065
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 1: Mimmy loses. I expect it to be something like twenty

1066
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 1: to seventeen. So there are your scores, there's your hot takes.

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01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 1: Thanks for humoring me on this journey this year with

1068
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 1: the college football playoff. I did not expect that I

1069
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 1: was going to be able to ride this way all

1070
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 1: the way to the title game. That's been gravy, but

1071
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:36,919
Speaker 1: that holy grail I can touch it. Let's go get

1072
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 1: that chip. See you in forty eight hours.