WEBVTT - Fallout | Season 2 Episode 6

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<v Speaker 1>Warning. Today's episode contains spoilers for Fallout episode six. The

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<v Speaker 1>word Hello, nam is Jason Stephne and I'm Mersey Night

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome back to ext Revision, the podcast where we

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<v Speaker 1>dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comments, and pop culture.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming to you from My Heart Podcast. We're reading you

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<v Speaker 1>three episodes a week. Last news.

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<v Speaker 2>Today, instead we're talking about a fallout. Can you believe it?

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be Fallout. We get some coupe action,

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<v Speaker 2>some Bob action, and me and Jason are going to

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<v Speaker 2>be breaking it all down for you.

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<v Speaker 1>First the recap, episode six, Season two Fallout. We open

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<v Speaker 1>in the past at a Voltech meeting where Barb is

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<v Speaker 1>watching a optimistic hypothetical presentation about the effects of a

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<v Speaker 1>potential nuclear strike on Los Angeles and the mainland of

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<v Speaker 1>the United States. Headline, it's not that big a deal.

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<v Speaker 1>You'd shrug it off, you know, hide under a door.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what they always used to tell us when we

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<v Speaker 1>were kids. You like put a door like you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily gonna help. You know, it's not a big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>We're Vault Tech. You're gonna be in the vault. Everything's

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<v Speaker 1>good right down there now, worry about it. The vault

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<v Speaker 1>Tech c suite has flagged one issue with the Vaultech hardware,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is the water chips, the water filtration chips

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<v Speaker 1>of which overseer Betty has been having such a hard

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<v Speaker 1>time with. They have a thirty percent fail rate. But

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<v Speaker 1>good news, they already know which chips are gonna fail,

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<v Speaker 1>soh which leads me, why don't they just get rid

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<v Speaker 1>of the ones that we're going to fail and then

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<v Speaker 1>make more and then imagine whatever. They already know which

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<v Speaker 1>chips are going to fail, so they can actually decide

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<v Speaker 1>for the future which vault will in the future run

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<v Speaker 1>out of water. Meanwhile, corporations are terrible. It's crazy terrible. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>because of more good news, because of Vautech's high tech

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<v Speaker 1>and highly advanced alert system, the company is actually going

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to get their highest paying customers into

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<v Speaker 1>the vault more efficiently and more quickly. So don't worry,

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<v Speaker 1>guys about the nuclear holocausts. It's actually gonna be fine.

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<v Speaker 2>You'll be okay, and your Amazon Prime will get you

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<v Speaker 2>in that quicker than anyone else. But don't worry. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just before you get in you're gonna find out some more,

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit more fake Bob House time. We're getting

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<v Speaker 2>some more Bob House time, but it's fake Bob House time.

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<v Speaker 2>Hank is in there sitting notes, and we see fake

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<v Speaker 2>Bob presenting the Automated Man product aka as we know

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<v Speaker 2>it will be the rob Co Mind Control Chip. Bob

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<v Speaker 2>is basically like, hey, cold fusion, ColdFusion. You gotta give

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<v Speaker 2>me the ColdFusion. I need it so I can get

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<v Speaker 2>my shit in Vegas going. I need the cold fusion. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna go find Meanwhile, Bob mission going bad, and

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<v Speaker 2>then the past boom. We're out of it for now,

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<v Speaker 2>but we're gonna go back and learn some big stuff

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<v Speaker 2>in the present. Well, the gul is still stuck on

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<v Speaker 2>that pole. Remember that I loved that opening. He's still there.

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<v Speaker 2>He's rotting, the guts are coming out, giant flagpoles sticking

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<v Speaker 2>out of his guts. And of course the new Vegas

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<v Speaker 2>citizens just could not care less. They don't give a shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's this guy? Dog Meat shows up because that's Man's

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<v Speaker 2>best friends, their business. They don't care. They're like, why

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't matter? So Google basically like, hey, dog Meat

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<v Speaker 2>ever wanted to be like a drug dealer, Can you

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<v Speaker 2>get me these medicine vials over there? And then I

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<v Speaker 2>won't turn into a ghoul and he passes out into

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<v Speaker 2>blackness and we don't see anything else.

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<v Speaker 1>I will. I'm disappointed in dog Meat this season. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a dog Meat is kind of just running away and

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<v Speaker 1>not doing much.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's how it would be in the game. Right

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<v Speaker 2>in the.

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<v Speaker 1>Game, dog meat has been I'm not the dog meat

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<v Speaker 1>is not your best companion, but dog meat is there

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<v Speaker 1>for you. Dog Meat will carry extra junk and gear

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<v Speaker 1>if you need dog meat to do that. Dog Meat

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<v Speaker 1>will attack. Dog Meat will help you. Dog Meat in

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<v Speaker 1>the in the in the show, not not doing very

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<v Speaker 1>much and it's upsetting to me. We go back to Vegas,

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<v Speaker 1>we go back to the recollection of the Summit. Cooper

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<v Speaker 1>is upset. He's in the hotel room. He's asked bar Blake,

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<v Speaker 1>were you always a monster or did you just become

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<v Speaker 1>a Oh what? He's like, I know that you plan

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<v Speaker 1>to nuke the world. You're gonna drop the fucking bomb.

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<v Speaker 2>Fun hotel conversation, pillow talk.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Meanwhile, Lucy wakes up all healed up in a

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<v Speaker 1>nice vault bed. Clearly in the vault tech subterranean headquarters

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<v Speaker 1>under New Vegas that her father Hank, has been lurking

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<v Speaker 1>in and working in for low these past weeks. She

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<v Speaker 1>sneaks out. She finds a room with all these mind

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<v Speaker 1>controlled you know, machine man robo chip people in there,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're all working in this very kind of pluribus

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<v Speaker 1>type high ho high ho off to work we go

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<v Speaker 1>type choreography. Hank is there and you know, they they chat.

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<v Speaker 1>He's preparing a meal for her. He's like, hey, remember

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<v Speaker 1>back of the well, you were gonna read all quite

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<v Speaker 1>on the Western Front, and we never talked about it.

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<v Speaker 1>And she's like, oh, well, I am. You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't finish it. Also, I found the book, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and the and the depiction of soulless, remorseless warfare that

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<v Speaker 1>destroys everything beautiful about humanity very disturbing, and hands like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about it more. He's like, I found, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I also found it troubling that it seemed

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<v Speaker 1>like the soldiers were fighting for nothing. And you know

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<v Speaker 1>what that reminds me of life on the surface, nothing

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<v Speaker 1>like life in a vault where life has meaning.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, life has meaning in the vault. Lucy's like absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>fucking not. And just like Jabs, a pair of sys

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<v Speaker 2>is his throat, which I love. I have to say

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<v Speaker 2>I think that Lucy Hank Costing is so good in

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<v Speaker 2>this show because we get this great moment where Hank

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<v Speaker 2>is just completely nonplus, like he believes still that he

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<v Speaker 2>can get Lucy on his side, and she says, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna take you to justice. She sort of starts

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<v Speaker 2>to march him out, and he's like, no, you got

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<v Speaker 2>to understand, like I did it for you. I love you.

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<v Speaker 2>You're my special little girl. And and by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm making the world a better place. No one will

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<v Speaker 2>be fighting each other anymore. Everyone's gonna get along, Like please,

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<v Speaker 2>just just come with me, and she's like no, and

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<v Speaker 2>then we slam over to area fifty one, where we

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<v Speaker 2>see Thaddeus in the stock coming out of the stolen

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<v Speaker 2>power armor, one of my favorite scenes with him pretending

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<v Speaker 2>that he was, you know, the very fancy Undaddius like

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<v Speaker 2>Commonwealth power armor. Max stays at the fusion cores and

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<v Speaker 2>Daddius is like, fuck it, we're gonna sell it. We

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<v Speaker 2>can do it. This is great and Max is like.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I want to save the world.

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<v Speaker 2>My guy like, and Daddius is like, oh, we could

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<v Speaker 2>just sell it and like live happily with these ghoul

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<v Speaker 2>children that you saved. The discussion continues by a campfire,

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<v Speaker 2>and honestly, you can really see that this is like

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<v Speaker 2>a true friendship in this very fucked up, messed up

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<v Speaker 2>world of four well out. I recently chatted to Francis

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<v Speaker 2>turn who plays Bob, and we were kind of talking

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<v Speaker 2>about one of the reasons the show's hits is these

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<v Speaker 2>kind of quiet character moments you get, and we get

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<v Speaker 2>that here where Max sort of reveals that he thinks

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<v Speaker 2>the best thing to do is give the Fusion Core

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<v Speaker 2>to Lucy, because he thinks Lucy is a good person,

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<v Speaker 2>and thats is like, well, wouldn't you also be a

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<v Speaker 2>good person if you fucking grew up in the vault

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<v Speaker 2>and had water and food and all these incredible things

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<v Speaker 2>and safety and the idea that there were things around you.

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<v Speaker 2>He thinks good people are really people with the means

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<v Speaker 2>to be good, and I love that read. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's really interesting Max. Of course, he disagrees, and he

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<v Speaker 2>recalls his time in Shady Sands, where there was a

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<v Speaker 2>true community, or working class community, and he still has

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<v Speaker 2>that inside him and wants to bring that back. And

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<v Speaker 2>I love that it's such a good, well written interaction

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<v Speaker 2>because they're both right. It's so good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they are on some level both right. Max is

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<v Speaker 1>right that you can build a community of people who

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<v Speaker 1>are trying to do the right thing. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that is is us so correct in that this is

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<v Speaker 1>a dogg eat dog world. And Shady Sands got blown

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<v Speaker 1>up and they're gone now exactly back on the strip,

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<v Speaker 1>it's nighttime. The ghoul is still stuck on the pole.

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<v Speaker 1>He is thinking of his daughter, He's thinking of her

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere alive in a cryotube. And he gin's up enough

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<v Speaker 1>strength to like get it at the top of the bowl.

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<v Speaker 1>And he gets to the part of the top of

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<v Speaker 1>the flagpole that has that big ball on top of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what that ball is called, but at

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<v Speaker 1>the top of the flag pole. Yeah, and he's trying

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<v Speaker 1>to now he's got to get his wound past that

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<v Speaker 1>big ball, and he can't do it. He can't do it,

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<v Speaker 1>and he slides back down the pole and the death

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<v Speaker 1>claws are circling now. But then something huge approaches and

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<v Speaker 1>with a little flick of the back of its hand

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<v Speaker 1>knocks the top of the pole off just like Bink bink,

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<v Speaker 1>and picks Cooper off the pole and carries them away,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's very clearly a super mutant of some kind.

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<v Speaker 1>The supermutans finally arrive in the game. Back in thirty three,

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<v Speaker 1>Regges in Bread support group parties are like have reached

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<v Speaker 1>full roaring twenties type fervor where it's like, fuck everything,

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<v Speaker 1>who cares what's going on in the wire vault. We

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<v Speaker 1>are eating snacks, we've got full recent, we've got soda,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got water flowing into the soda string creating the water.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going great. We love it. We're soaking up all

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<v Speaker 1>the resources. Fuck everybody outside. It's great and here in

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<v Speaker 1>this party, and that party is just popping off. When

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<v Speaker 1>overseer Betty arrives with the cops to finally put an

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<v Speaker 1>end to the madness, she's like snack budget gone, group dissolved,

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<v Speaker 1>that's it, it's over. And redg then tries to negotiate,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, basic talking about how this is like

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<v Speaker 1>his right as an American and all of their rights

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<v Speaker 1>is in bred Americans, so like, you know, never stop

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<v Speaker 1>dreaming of a better day. Where the snacks are endless

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<v Speaker 1>and the water flows like like water. Betty reiterates that, Listen,

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<v Speaker 1>we're running out of water like wet water. All the

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<v Speaker 1>water in this place is in here, and you're wasting

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<v Speaker 1>rations and there's no time for this. And then Reg

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<v Speaker 1>launches into like basically like a Vault thirty three first

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<v Speaker 1>type agenda where he's like, you originally for thirty one,

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<v Speaker 1>you're a weirdo. I don't trust anybody from thirty one.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't get the culture of thirty three, and Betty

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<v Speaker 1>basically goes soft and let's get it, like, why did

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<v Speaker 1>you come here with all these cops. I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get walk the fuck away.

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<v Speaker 2>I was trying to work out, do you think in

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<v Speaker 2>that moment she's just trying to like stop it from

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<v Speaker 2>blowing up, Like I don't know what her plan was,

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<v Speaker 2>but I feel like I got to know more about

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<v Speaker 2>what Betty's thinking because she's making some bad decision.

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<v Speaker 1>She's a fucking she's soft, she's a freezers.

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<v Speaker 2>Jason said, she saw be tough on crime.

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<v Speaker 1>Bitch.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, Betty, you're the overseer that's a tough on

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<v Speaker 2>crime type of name. Meanwhile, in thirty two. Oh, poor Chet.

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<v Speaker 2>When will Check get some justice for Chet? That's what

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<v Speaker 2>I want to know. Chet learns that Woody has gone

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<v Speaker 2>missing after his ominous meeting with Steph that he oversaw,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he learns that he himself. Chat is getting

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<v Speaker 2>married to Steph tomorrow and there are flyers everywhere and

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<v Speaker 2>he has no bloody idea. That is not the only

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<v Speaker 2>exciting news though, because the Ghoul wakes up on a rack.

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<v Speaker 2>Ghol girlies, I know you're going to be loving this

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<v Speaker 2>one because he's shirtless and the supermutant played by the

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<v Speaker 2>original inspirer of all monster fuckers everywhere, Ron Perlman. Incredible casting.

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<v Speaker 2>They kept this one a secret. I love this so much. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>who obviously played Beating the Beast, Hellboy many different monsters

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<v Speaker 2>that many women have wanted to make love to. I

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<v Speaker 2>love that they put him in here and now he

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<v Speaker 2>is fixing the.

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<v Speaker 1>Ghuls, gaping Torso Hole, Thunder, the Hunchback in name of

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<v Speaker 1>the Rose, like He's sea have lost children when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to like possibly deformed outcasts. No one has that

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<v Speaker 1>corner lockdown like Ron Perlman.

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<v Speaker 2>That man has got his niche un lock and we

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<v Speaker 2>love him and he's like seventy and all the monster

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<v Speaker 2>fucker girl. He still love him and they still gonna

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<v Speaker 2>love him even more after this. So guess what great news.

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<v Speaker 2>There's gonna be more monsters and more mutants because the

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<v Speaker 2>reason the super mutant is helping the Goal is he

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<v Speaker 2>tells him that there is a war coming and we

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<v Speaker 2>need you healthy. The Supermuni explains that the Gul basically

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<v Speaker 2>like he's now essentially one of the last of his kind.

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<v Speaker 2>They have hunted supermutants to extinction, but he is on

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<v Speaker 2>a mission of revenge against Bomb but a bump bump bump,

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<v Speaker 2>the Enclave, which we have kind of been talking about

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<v Speaker 2>in the lead up. We haven't seen yet, but we

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<v Speaker 2>thought they might come, and he basically wants to enlist

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<v Speaker 2>the Goal in the fight, which I think very fucking clever, honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>because the Goal can survive anything like this man is

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<v Speaker 2>a different level of legendary kill, a legendary kind of assassin.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes sense to have him on this. And then

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to be going back to New Vegas for

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<v Speaker 2>a little emotional flashback, which I will hand back over

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<v Speaker 2>to Jason because Bob and Coop shit is getting crazy

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<v Speaker 2>Barbari coopshit is getting crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>We flash back again Cooper and barb arguing about whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's bad or good to start a nuclear war question

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<v Speaker 1>in the bombs yourself in a false flag operation of

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<v Speaker 1>genocidal proportions. We learn in another flashback within a flashback crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a nesting doll of flashbacks, which I have

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<v Speaker 1>to say, inception, Yeah, you and I are are our

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<v Speaker 1>experienced TV and story watchers agree. I think this was

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of a confusing structure. I think this

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<v Speaker 1>is a little can people follow this or people following this?

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'm not saying that obviously audiences are very smart,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think this is like a little this is

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<v Speaker 1>hat within a hat, said arm hat. This is like

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<v Speaker 1>hat inside of hat.

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<v Speaker 2>I fully agree because people were confused by the time

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<v Speaker 2>shifts at the beginning of Heat had rivalry, which if

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<v Speaker 2>you were not on your phone, were easy to follow.

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<v Speaker 2>This will baffle, but once you rewatch, it's cool because,

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<v Speaker 2>like I was speaking to Francis, You're gonna be able

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<v Speaker 2>to tell that on our news episode, there is an

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<v Speaker 2>element of mystery box to Bob and Coop's relationship that

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<v Speaker 2>we start to unravel hair but yeah, no, I agree

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<v Speaker 2>that the I had to double check that this was

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<v Speaker 2>a flashback within a flashback, and it was a flashback,

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<v Speaker 2>so a flashback.

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<v Speaker 1>We got to a flashback within a flashback. And what

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<v Speaker 1>we learn is that earlier barbed about the way things

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<v Speaker 1>geopolitically and potentially like with regards to corporate leadership of

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<v Speaker 1>the United States, is going asks young Betty about the

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<v Speaker 1>cold fusion diode, how it stored security around it, and

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<v Speaker 1>basically clearly is plotting to steal the diode so that

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<v Speaker 1>she could give it to Bob House and Rob Co,

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<v Speaker 1>thus stealing the deal. The cold Fusion doll Ben from

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<v Speaker 1>Lost shows.

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<v Speaker 2>Up, like where did that come from?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, it's young or the same doctor Siggy Willzig who

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<v Speaker 1>we saw in season one as dog Meat's original owner

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<v Speaker 1>and a kind of I guess indentured scientist working in

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<v Speaker 1>the in the working for the Enclave somehow doing research

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<v Speaker 1>for the Enclave. He shows up and is like, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't know me. I'm not going to introduce myself,

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<v Speaker 1>but you have to get the cold fusion and give

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<v Speaker 1>it to Bob House, and you have to do it

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<v Speaker 1>or your whole family will die. Just as I had

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<v Speaker 1>to deliver this message to you or my entire family

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<v Speaker 1>would die.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh oh.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we flash minutely forward again to the summit

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<v Speaker 1>in Vegas, where Barb is at the meeting with fake

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<v Speaker 1>rob House. Bob House. Fake Bob House, you know, is like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>the robotic man, here's this mind control chip. It's great

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<v Speaker 1>and this you know, we will supply this in return

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<v Speaker 1>for the cold fusion. And then Barb immediately because of

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<v Speaker 1>this exchange, it seems that pushed her over the edge

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<v Speaker 1>with doctor Wilzig says, you know what, what if we

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<v Speaker 1>drop the bomb? What if we drop the bombs? What? Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>so then we flash all the way forward within the

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<v Speaker 1>flashback back to Coop and Barb in Vegas having this argument.

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<v Speaker 1>She's so this lets us know that this flashback within

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<v Speaker 1>a flashback, Barb has told Cooper right, and so she's

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<v Speaker 1>now saying, you know, I don't know who runs vall Tech,

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<v Speaker 1>but somebody is running it secretly who I didn't. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know who they are, but there's some other secretive

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<v Speaker 1>force that's behind Valltech. Coop wants to find out, but

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<v Speaker 1>he is told that he can't stop what's coming. A

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<v Speaker 1>little confusing within the show section there, and we hope

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<v Speaker 1>this makes it more clear, but it's what we've basically

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<v Speaker 1>learned is that there is some kind of secretive group

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<v Speaker 1>or person that is running Vault Tech and making decisions

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<v Speaker 1>that are unaccountable to anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and it does seem like this kind of implication

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<v Speaker 2>here of finally getting to understand that Bob and Cooper

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<v Speaker 2>ironically have kind of been doing the same thing in

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<v Speaker 2>different timelines, like he is going around killing everyone for

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<v Speaker 2>his family and she was willing to do the same.

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<v Speaker 2>Really interesting stuff, speaking of messed up family relationships, we

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<v Speaker 2>have Lucy marching Hank through the Vault offices where we

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<v Speaker 2>see his very creepy mind control work office just toiling

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<v Speaker 2>like there were workers of wastelanders. They've clearly been made

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<v Speaker 2>up into these weird mind controlled worker drones. Hank is

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<v Speaker 2>obviously like, their lives are so much better now. Look

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<v Speaker 2>at them. They they don't have scars on they've got

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<v Speaker 2>scars on their faces, but they're not trying to kill

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<v Speaker 2>each other. And Lucy is trying to free them. She's like, hey, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>you haven't been mind controlled, Like, please let these guys go, Hank,

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<v Speaker 2>and a scuffle breaks out, Lucy has to kill one

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<v Speaker 2>of the guys to stop the guy killing the other guy. Lucy,

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<v Speaker 2>he presses the button and raises their brains and in

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<v Speaker 2>that moment does exactly what Hank wants. And then as

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<v Speaker 2>we see our supermutant dragging the ghoul somewhere, Cooper remembers

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<v Speaker 2>how back in Vegas he took Hank opt his room

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<v Speaker 2>and tried to slip him the stuff that Moldava passed

0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:22.000
<v Speaker 2>him the mystery du so we know it wasn't to kill,

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<v Speaker 2>We now know it was to drug. It works. Hank

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<v Speaker 2>blacks out and boom.

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<v Speaker 1>Coop then opens the case that's attached to Hank's wrist

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<v Speaker 1>that he's been wearing for the last couple of episodes,

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<v Speaker 1>and he finds like this weird injector thing that's actually

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<v Speaker 1>like a it's actually like a revealer, not quite an injector.

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<v Speaker 1>It's for taking something out of something. Barb comes back.

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<v Speaker 1>She takes the injector, she shoots it into Hank's skull

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<v Speaker 1>and it removes the cold fusion diale that Rais's head.

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<v Speaker 1>So her heists is successful and she now has the

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<v Speaker 1>coin by which she can start the nuclear war. The

0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:11.320
<v Speaker 1>thing that Bob House wants so dearly this cold fusion diode. Meanwhile,

0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:14.159
<v Speaker 1>back in the way sat dog Ney it carries the

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<v Speaker 1>ghules hat to Max and Fattius, who are then led

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<v Speaker 1>in turn to the Ghul who is recovering in some

0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:24.440
<v Speaker 1>shack somewhere. Our band is getting back together, Rosie. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>take a quick break and discuss this episode when we return.

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<v Speaker 1>How we're back? Okay, Wow, So a lot to unpack here,

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<v Speaker 1>because again I think an unnecessarily overly convoluted episode. But

0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:53.919
<v Speaker 1>we learned some important things. One that Voltech there's some

0:21:53.960 --> 0:21:59.879
<v Speaker 1>conspiracy behind Vaal Tech that and two that Barb was

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<v Speaker 1>has been much more active in events than we understood,

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<v Speaker 1>and that Barb might have some other secret plan that

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<v Speaker 1>she has enacted and that is running somewhere in the

0:22:12.440 --> 0:22:16.560
<v Speaker 1>background that we don't know about. And we learn that

0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:20.680
<v Speaker 1>ben Lionis is in the show.

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<v Speaker 2>We learn the on claim as a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe the Enclave is a thing. That's right, the Enclave

0:22:32.119 --> 0:22:34.919
<v Speaker 1>is a thing. So let's talk about these, Rosie. What's

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<v Speaker 1>what your thoughts on this episode and what struck you.

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<v Speaker 2>My biggest standout and this is why we we really

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<v Speaker 2>work to get Francis on the show, you'll be able

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<v Speaker 2>to go on Sunday on Saturday with news. I just

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<v Speaker 2>really wanted to know more about Bob. I think that

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<v Speaker 2>the show has done such a great job of building

0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:53.920
<v Speaker 2>in all these really interesting characters, even the ancillary characters,

0:22:53.960 --> 0:22:57.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, Betsy, people like that. Norm All these kind

0:22:57.320 --> 0:23:01.240
<v Speaker 2>of stories often center around these interactions, but we don't

0:23:01.280 --> 0:23:03.760
<v Speaker 2>really get to have any personal interactions with Bob. In

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<v Speaker 2>season one, we thought she was just kind of a homemaker,

0:23:05.920 --> 0:23:08.879
<v Speaker 2>and then we got that huge reveal, and then in

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<v Speaker 2>season two, now I was like, come on, okay, I

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<v Speaker 2>need to know what motivates her. And I love that

0:23:13.560 --> 0:23:15.880
<v Speaker 2>they have just made it textually like hey, if you've

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<v Speaker 2>been judging her, but you've been supporting Coop on his

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<v Speaker 2>way to find her, then you basically are hypocrite. And

0:23:21.760 --> 0:23:24.200
<v Speaker 2>I love when stories do something like that to us.

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<v Speaker 2>So that really struck me. I think you're right. When

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<v Speaker 2>I was rewatching the episode, I was thinking a lot

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<v Speaker 2>about the flashback usage, and I think it was a

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<v Speaker 2>way for them to not do lots of like exposition

0:23:34.200 --> 0:23:37.000
<v Speaker 2>of them just talking about what happened. But I also

0:23:37.080 --> 0:23:40.320
<v Speaker 2>do think it is a little bit inceptiony, like Paprikrey

0:23:40.440 --> 0:23:42.399
<v Speaker 2>dream in a Dream, in a Dream in a Dream.

0:23:43.600 --> 0:23:46.960
<v Speaker 2>I love Ron Palman, obviously, I love that casting. I

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<v Speaker 2>love the suit immutants. Jason, what are your thoughts on

0:23:50.560 --> 0:23:53.160
<v Speaker 2>this episode and now where do you see the last

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<v Speaker 2>three episodes going, because we're in big third act territory

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<v Speaker 2>here with a lot of stuff being set up.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, my thoughts are, first of all, you know, this

0:24:06.000 --> 0:24:09.800
<v Speaker 1>is I'm going to say something. I have a take

0:24:09.840 --> 0:24:12.840
<v Speaker 1>that's very self serving regarding the Institute. I wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>ben Linus isn't an Institute related. He's got that very

0:24:18.240 --> 0:24:23.120
<v Speaker 1>cold and kind of almost detached affect, you know. Here

0:24:23.160 --> 0:24:26.920
<v Speaker 1>he comes talking about how they're gonna kill his entire

0:24:26.960 --> 0:24:30.040
<v Speaker 1>family if he doesn't deliver this message. It leads us

0:24:30.040 --> 0:24:32.320
<v Speaker 1>to you know, who are we talking about? But just

0:24:32.359 --> 0:24:36.640
<v Speaker 1>the way he delivers it makes me wonder if now

0:24:36.640 --> 0:24:38.800
<v Speaker 1>we're not going to see more of the Institute the Enclave.

0:24:39.160 --> 0:24:41.960
<v Speaker 1>I have to say, I was a little shocked that

0:24:43.160 --> 0:24:45.679
<v Speaker 1>here that we're going to bring the Enclave in this

0:24:45.880 --> 0:24:49.480
<v Speaker 1>late now and now it makes me wonder if we've

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<v Speaker 1>seen any inklings of the Enclave. There's Linus is like

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<v Speaker 1>an enclave, although I you know, to me, the Enclave.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very, very possible that the institute was around before

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<v Speaker 1>the war. The Enclay, as I understand it from the Games,

0:25:07.840 --> 0:25:13.280
<v Speaker 1>is a post war group that organized itself around the idea,

0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:18.760
<v Speaker 1>certainly including in its number included survivors of the war

0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:22.520
<v Speaker 1>and people who who were potentially movers and shakers in

0:25:22.560 --> 0:25:26.760
<v Speaker 1>the pre war period. But it's an organization that came

0:25:26.800 --> 0:25:31.040
<v Speaker 1>together after the war, pitching itself basically as we are

0:25:31.080 --> 0:25:34.399
<v Speaker 1>the inheritors of America, like we are actually America, we

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<v Speaker 1>are the continuous American government. And you know, actually there

0:25:38.520 --> 0:25:46.160
<v Speaker 1>are a fascist quasi military group. Be that as it may.

0:25:45.960 --> 0:25:48.560
<v Speaker 1>They see themselves as the inheritors of the of the

0:25:48.560 --> 0:25:53.000
<v Speaker 1>American government. And so I don't think that Ben the

0:25:53.040 --> 0:25:55.520
<v Speaker 1>person that we are calling Ben Linis for the time being,

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<v Speaker 1>could potentially be a emissary of the Onclay. But I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know who do you think Ben Linus represents.

0:26:03.600 --> 0:26:05.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but I think you're asking an interesting question.

0:26:05.920 --> 0:26:08.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm also thinking, I think you're right, we've not seen

0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:10.800
<v Speaker 2>any Enclave. But if I'm not mistaken, I think that

0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:15.240
<v Speaker 2>the doctor in the early series, Siggy Wilzig, you know,

0:26:15.280 --> 0:26:17.200
<v Speaker 2>he had the glasses. We saw him. He was dog

0:26:17.240 --> 0:26:20.439
<v Speaker 2>Meet's original owner. I think he had formerly like worked

0:26:20.480 --> 0:26:24.080
<v Speaker 2>alongside the Enclave. So we just like we've heard Inklings,

0:26:24.080 --> 0:26:27.639
<v Speaker 2>but we haven't seen them, and I'm like, I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like with this mention of them, now, I feel like

0:26:29.840 --> 0:26:33.040
<v Speaker 2>it makes sense that ben Linus from Lost is definitely

0:26:33.520 --> 0:26:36.199
<v Speaker 2>representing the Enclave. I think that they to bring it up.

0:26:36.240 --> 0:26:39.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't think they would set it up completely without

0:26:39.320 --> 0:26:42.320
<v Speaker 2>them showing up in this season, but I'm assuming they

0:26:42.320 --> 0:26:46.160
<v Speaker 2>will be the main villain for Fallout season three, which

0:26:46.160 --> 0:26:49.639
<v Speaker 2>I think is also interesting because obviously this game, like

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<v Speaker 2>this show heavily taken from like fall Out four, and

0:26:52.240 --> 0:26:54.000
<v Speaker 2>we know now as canon is really takes from all

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<v Speaker 2>the games. Yeah, but it was interesting because the Enclave

0:26:56.200 --> 0:26:58.199
<v Speaker 2>not really in fall that four, but in you know,

0:26:58.280 --> 0:27:00.640
<v Speaker 2>come back in fall Out seventy six, and so it's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be interesting to see how they build them in.

0:27:03.840 --> 0:27:05.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, do I.

0:27:05.080 --> 0:27:08.280
<v Speaker 2>Want to watch third season of Fallout that's about an

0:27:08.320 --> 0:27:12.960
<v Speaker 2>evil white supremacist like fascist American like proto government. Yes,

0:27:13.040 --> 0:27:15.280
<v Speaker 2>you're already ahead of the game, man, we know you're right.

0:27:16.000 --> 0:27:19.640
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I'm I'm very intrigued to see where this goes?

0:27:19.680 --> 0:27:20.040
<v Speaker 1>Now here?

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<v Speaker 2>Any Yeah, tell me more, Tell me more.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Here is the wiki from the Enclave page regarding

0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:38.960
<v Speaker 1>the Enclave plotline from Fallout two, which is I didn't

0:27:39.000 --> 0:27:42.840
<v Speaker 1>get on the series until Fallout three, So let me

0:27:42.880 --> 0:27:45.600
<v Speaker 1>read a couple of snippets from this one. The Enclave

0:27:45.640 --> 0:27:48.879
<v Speaker 1>came to consider themselves the last remaining fashion of pure

0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:53.000
<v Speaker 1>mutation free humanity on Earth. Sharing the planet with existing

0:27:53.040 --> 0:27:55.639
<v Speaker 1>wastelanders was deemed untenable, and the rhetoric was used to

0:27:55.680 --> 0:27:59.160
<v Speaker 1>justify the immediate extermination of all mutants. Blah blah blah

0:27:59.160 --> 0:28:02.720
<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah blah quote. The Enclaves members would be

0:28:02.760 --> 0:28:05.080
<v Speaker 1>the first generation free of mutant threat in over one

0:28:05.119 --> 0:28:10.800
<v Speaker 1>hundred years. Continuing in twenty two thirty five, the Enclave

0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:14.840
<v Speaker 1>began its Experimenttion on Experimentation on Death Clause with the

0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:18.240
<v Speaker 1>aim of creating cheap shock troops for waging war in

0:28:18.359 --> 0:28:22.119
<v Speaker 1>hostile environments. So this leads me to believe that, yes,

0:28:22.280 --> 0:28:25.520
<v Speaker 1>I do think now that there have been the Death

0:28:25.600 --> 0:28:30.400
<v Speaker 1>Claw in Alaska that Coop came into contact with, and

0:28:31.560 --> 0:28:35.240
<v Speaker 1>potentially this super mutant who's saying, you know, they're wiping

0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:39.520
<v Speaker 1>us out. I think this is all the outlines of

0:28:39.800 --> 0:28:47.000
<v Speaker 1>an ongoing enclave conspiracy that stretched to at least the

0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:49.640
<v Speaker 1>war years, not the pre war years, but the war

0:28:49.680 --> 0:28:53.920
<v Speaker 1>with China years. So and it certainly seems like the

0:28:53.920 --> 0:28:57.920
<v Speaker 1>death Claus that are roaming the strip and protecting Voltec

0:28:59.200 --> 0:29:03.520
<v Speaker 1>are in some way wrapped up with Enclave activities. The

0:29:03.600 --> 0:29:05.840
<v Speaker 1>question is like who's running the enclave, Like who is

0:29:05.880 --> 0:29:07.640
<v Speaker 1>the face of the enclave. We don't know that yet,

0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:12.240
<v Speaker 1>but I now reading this, I do think that this

0:29:12.280 --> 0:29:16.840
<v Speaker 1>is where they're going. The Enclave perhaps is actually the

0:29:17.120 --> 0:29:23.680
<v Speaker 1>true force behind the apocalypse that decimated the globe and

0:29:23.720 --> 0:29:28.000
<v Speaker 1>has led to the the post apocalyptic environment that we

0:29:28.080 --> 0:29:31.920
<v Speaker 1>now see. Interesting, I don't but who is running the

0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:35.720
<v Speaker 1>enclave that outlive that's the question.

0:29:35.960 --> 0:29:39.520
<v Speaker 2>And is it one person? Is it someone Is it

0:29:39.560 --> 0:29:41.360
<v Speaker 2>going to be someone that we've met before, is it

0:29:41.400 --> 0:29:44.640
<v Speaker 2>going to be someone from pre established flashback government. I'm

0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:49.000
<v Speaker 2>very excited. I feel like they're doing a good job

0:29:49.120 --> 0:29:54.080
<v Speaker 2>keeping big costing secrets like with Rompalman. I'm very interesting.

0:29:55.120 --> 0:29:57.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm just very interested to see how it goes.

0:29:58.440 --> 0:30:01.800
<v Speaker 1>The Barberville So it's a little unclear to me what

0:30:01.840 --> 0:30:05.400
<v Speaker 1>Barb's overall planet is, but I think it's clearly just

0:30:05.480 --> 0:30:09.920
<v Speaker 1>to her feeling. Is the war's coming regardless, right, mm hmm.

0:30:11.080 --> 0:30:13.480
<v Speaker 1>This is how I can get my family into the

0:30:13.600 --> 0:30:15.120
<v Speaker 1>vault to make sure they.

0:30:15.120 --> 0:30:16.520
<v Speaker 2>Ride out the war.

0:30:17.400 --> 0:30:21.280
<v Speaker 1>How do you read her, her intentions and her motivations.

0:30:22.040 --> 0:30:24.400
<v Speaker 2>I think that she is a mother. I think she's

0:30:24.440 --> 0:30:27.760
<v Speaker 2>a complicated person. I think she's a realist. I think

0:30:27.800 --> 0:30:31.959
<v Speaker 2>she is working on the fly. And what I'm really

0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:33.880
<v Speaker 2>excited to see right now, and what I think is

0:30:33.920 --> 0:30:37.480
<v Speaker 2>going to be a big twist, is that I think

0:30:37.480 --> 0:30:39.240
<v Speaker 2>that we're going to see that her and Coop from

0:30:39.240 --> 0:30:42.480
<v Speaker 2>this point onwards, are we're actually working together to try

0:30:42.520 --> 0:30:44.920
<v Speaker 2>and stop this doing some kind of version on the fly.

0:30:45.520 --> 0:30:47.600
<v Speaker 2>And what he's really searching for her for is because

0:30:47.640 --> 0:30:49.280
<v Speaker 2>they were back in love, they were back on the

0:30:49.320 --> 0:30:51.480
<v Speaker 2>same team, and it is not this vengeance mission. It's

0:30:51.520 --> 0:30:54.160
<v Speaker 2>not because of this reason that he's found out afterwards

0:30:54.160 --> 0:30:56.800
<v Speaker 2>that she said this thing. And I'm very excited to

0:30:56.840 --> 0:30:59.520
<v Speaker 2>see where that goes. I think Goggins and Turner so

0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:03.080
<v Speaker 2>good together. They have great chemistry that when they argue,

0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:05.720
<v Speaker 2>they look like a real married couple. They have like

0:31:05.760 --> 0:31:08.840
<v Speaker 2>a shortthand that you believe so to me, I want

0:31:08.840 --> 0:31:10.440
<v Speaker 2>to see where that goes. And I want to see

0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:13.120
<v Speaker 2>if they're going to give Bob like a true redemptive arc,

0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:15.280
<v Speaker 2>like oh, she was always against it, or if they're

0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:17.240
<v Speaker 2>going to allow her to sit in that more complicated

0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:19.840
<v Speaker 2>space of being someone who's just doing anything they can

0:31:20.000 --> 0:31:22.360
<v Speaker 2>to save their child, which we get that great moment

0:31:22.360 --> 0:31:24.920
<v Speaker 2>in the hotel here where Coop says that to her

0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:26.880
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, so you just like kill all these

0:31:27.080 --> 0:31:29.760
<v Speaker 2>other people's kids, like and other moms like you, And

0:31:29.800 --> 0:31:32.160
<v Speaker 2>she's like, yeah, like wouldn't you if it meant our

0:31:32.240 --> 0:31:34.840
<v Speaker 2>kid would survive. There's just like an honesty there that

0:31:34.840 --> 0:31:38.120
<v Speaker 2>I think is really interesting. So I'm very I'm excited

0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:40.600
<v Speaker 2>to see where that goes. But obviously I think we'll

0:31:40.640 --> 0:31:44.080
<v Speaker 2>probably be like a secondary plot line to our major

0:31:44.200 --> 0:31:45.840
<v Speaker 2>war that they're going to be establishing.

0:31:47.080 --> 0:31:51.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm fascinated to see where the end of the Lucy

0:31:51.680 --> 0:31:58.360
<v Speaker 1>Hank arc from this episode leaves them, because Lucy, I think,

0:32:00.200 --> 0:32:04.440
<v Speaker 1>very begrudgingly brainwashes these two guys. It remains to be

0:32:04.440 --> 0:32:09.840
<v Speaker 1>seen whether this brainwashing is reversible unclear, Yeah, but she

0:32:10.040 --> 0:32:13.520
<v Speaker 1>very begrudgingly does it because these two guys were going

0:32:13.600 --> 0:32:16.120
<v Speaker 1>to kill each other and potentially massacre the whole room.

0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:19.240
<v Speaker 1>But what does this mean for Lucy and Hank. It's

0:32:19.360 --> 0:32:25.080
<v Speaker 1>very clear that Hank, I think, very connivingly, was like Lucy, Lucy, Lucy,

0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:28.240
<v Speaker 1>I love you whatever you want. If you want barbarity

0:32:28.400 --> 0:32:33.280
<v Speaker 1>and violence to rain in the wasteland and you know,

0:32:33.480 --> 0:32:38.120
<v Speaker 1>the primal urges of the human animal to be raised

0:32:38.200 --> 0:32:41.040
<v Speaker 1>up to the primary position once again, like I am

0:32:41.120 --> 0:32:42.880
<v Speaker 1>happy to do that. You are my daughter, and I

0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:44.880
<v Speaker 1>love you so much, and I'm here to take accountability

0:32:44.920 --> 0:32:47.640
<v Speaker 1>for all my actions. And that's what it means that

0:32:47.640 --> 0:32:50.560
<v Speaker 1>that barbaria reigns. Then that's fine. But look at how

0:32:50.560 --> 0:32:53.760
<v Speaker 1>great things are here. Everybody's working together, nobody's putting a

0:32:53.840 --> 0:32:56.640
<v Speaker 1>nice pick in each other's brains. We have murderers doing,

0:32:56.920 --> 0:32:59.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, creating mind control chips. It's it's really one.

0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:03.760
<v Speaker 1>And so when Lucy presses the button, I see it

0:33:03.800 --> 0:33:06.680
<v Speaker 1>as like a moment of desperation to stop violence in

0:33:06.720 --> 0:33:11.120
<v Speaker 1>this moment. But could it is it possible that she

0:33:12.320 --> 0:33:15.160
<v Speaker 1>when we come back next episode, that she's somehow come

0:33:15.200 --> 0:33:17.200
<v Speaker 1>over to her side in some way.

0:33:16.880 --> 0:33:19.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't think so, but I do think she's gonna

0:33:19.920 --> 0:33:23.520
<v Speaker 2>want to believe in him doing something for good because

0:33:23.560 --> 0:33:26.160
<v Speaker 2>that is what she like knows. But she also knows

0:33:26.160 --> 0:33:28.760
<v Speaker 2>about you know, shady Sands and all the awful things

0:33:28.800 --> 0:33:33.280
<v Speaker 2>that he did. I wouldn't be surprised if unforgivable genocide,

0:33:33.280 --> 0:33:35.400
<v Speaker 2>all like horrific stuff, and also just all the lies,

0:33:35.520 --> 0:33:37.120
<v Speaker 2>like everything you told her was a lie. You can't

0:33:37.120 --> 0:33:39.320
<v Speaker 2>trust him, but she wants to still love him. I

0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:41.240
<v Speaker 2>think what we're actually going to be more likely to

0:33:41.240 --> 0:33:43.600
<v Speaker 2>see is I would guess that the next episode he's

0:33:43.600 --> 0:33:45.280
<v Speaker 2>gonna try and convince her and she may kind of

0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:47.360
<v Speaker 2>play into it. Then I think we might see him

0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:50.920
<v Speaker 2>try to fit her with one of the mind control

0:33:51.080 --> 0:33:53.280
<v Speaker 2>because he wants her to do his good daughter again.

0:33:53.400 --> 0:33:57.240
<v Speaker 2>I think the goolder will come back and save Lucy

0:33:57.280 --> 0:34:00.200
<v Speaker 2>and we will get that reunion, probably with Matt. But

0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:04.760
<v Speaker 2>I think there's probably some kind of implication of him

0:34:04.840 --> 0:34:07.200
<v Speaker 2>wanting her to do whatever he wants and being like

0:34:07.320 --> 0:34:10.279
<v Speaker 2>his Oki dokie good time girl or whatever. So I'm

0:34:10.320 --> 0:34:13.080
<v Speaker 2>interested to see if they go that way, but I don't.

0:34:13.120 --> 0:34:16.600
<v Speaker 2>I think even if she's tempted, she knows the true,

0:34:17.239 --> 0:34:19.960
<v Speaker 2>the truth about Hank, and honestly, it may be that

0:34:20.040 --> 0:34:22.320
<v Speaker 2>she goes oh my God, this is amazing. It works.

0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Maybe you're right, and then one of their heads explodes immediately.

0:34:25.239 --> 0:34:27.600
<v Speaker 2>You know, we've seen how dangerous this technology is.

0:34:28.800 --> 0:34:31.520
<v Speaker 1>It's it's very, very dangerous. And I'm a little bit

0:34:31.560 --> 0:34:36.520
<v Speaker 1>unclear on exactly how he perfected it other than just

0:34:36.560 --> 0:34:40.759
<v Speaker 1>like finding the most demented drug addicted guy wandering the

0:34:40.800 --> 0:34:44.440
<v Speaker 1>wasteland who could take like the the full brunt of

0:34:44.600 --> 0:34:47.319
<v Speaker 1>the mind control chip that allowed him and I guess

0:34:47.360 --> 0:34:50.560
<v Speaker 1>that allowed him to like perfect it. Whatever. Here's another question,

0:34:51.840 --> 0:34:57.040
<v Speaker 1>is Bob House actually it is Bob House actually behind

0:34:57.200 --> 0:35:01.439
<v Speaker 1>anything We ride this season and st the first few

0:35:01.480 --> 0:35:09.520
<v Speaker 1>episodes up until this one, thinking and being presented a

0:35:09.640 --> 0:35:15.320
<v Speaker 1>story that seemed to place Bob House at the center

0:35:15.600 --> 0:35:22.080
<v Speaker 1>of this kind of a large scale corporate conspiracy that

0:35:22.160 --> 0:35:28.400
<v Speaker 1>eventually led to nuclear war and is potentially still moving

0:35:28.440 --> 0:35:32.279
<v Speaker 1>events in ways that we don't quite understand it now.

0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:35.000
<v Speaker 1>But it now seems as if with the appearance of

0:35:35.000 --> 0:35:41.480
<v Speaker 1>ben Lyinis and the way Bob and the way we

0:35:41.600 --> 0:35:44.560
<v Speaker 1>left Bob in the in the episode before this one,

0:35:44.760 --> 0:35:47.040
<v Speaker 1>where he puts like the calender on his head and

0:35:47.080 --> 0:35:50.480
<v Speaker 1>certainly seems like it's he's potentially not in control of

0:35:50.520 --> 0:35:55.759
<v Speaker 1>like his full faculties that Bob House is maybe just

0:35:55.800 --> 0:36:00.360
<v Speaker 1>a distraction your thoughts because the reveal that there's actually

0:36:00.400 --> 0:36:04.360
<v Speaker 1>a much more secretive force. Although I that Bob, although

0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:08.200
<v Speaker 1>Bob also sensed it. Bob was also like, whoever did

0:36:08.239 --> 0:36:12.480
<v Speaker 1>the death cloth thing, like that's that's another player on

0:36:12.520 --> 0:36:17.120
<v Speaker 1>the board. But then in that same speech he also says, basically,

0:36:17.840 --> 0:36:21.280
<v Speaker 1>I've now been wondering whether I am the chess player

0:36:21.520 --> 0:36:24.879
<v Speaker 1>or just a chess piece, And I'm wondering the same

0:36:24.920 --> 0:36:29.640
<v Speaker 1>thing if Bob House was actually just a very convoluted distraction,

0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:33.280
<v Speaker 1>and there's gonna be some other big bad possibly the Enclave,

0:36:33.280 --> 0:36:34.839
<v Speaker 1>as we've said, behind all this.

0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:38.040
<v Speaker 2>I think that you're onto something now because also something

0:36:38.040 --> 0:36:40.319
<v Speaker 2>that I think is really interesting is they don't even

0:36:40.320 --> 0:36:42.960
<v Speaker 2>have to pull like the rug from underneath us or anything.

0:36:43.280 --> 0:36:45.520
<v Speaker 2>Everything we know about Bob House can still be true.

0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:47.480
<v Speaker 2>He can set up everything in Vegas New Vegas. He

0:36:47.480 --> 0:36:49.400
<v Speaker 2>can do his little thing, and that makes him seem

0:36:49.440 --> 0:36:53.439
<v Speaker 2>comparatively extremely powerful, but really he's just a guy who

0:36:53.640 --> 0:36:56.240
<v Speaker 2>took advantage of a power vacuum and has his own city,

0:36:56.280 --> 0:36:59.160
<v Speaker 2>which in the world of Fallout is impressive but doesn't

0:36:59.239 --> 0:37:04.520
<v Speaker 2>necessarily mean that he is the machination puppet master behind everything,

0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:07.400
<v Speaker 2>and I kind of love the idea, especially because they

0:37:07.440 --> 0:37:10.080
<v Speaker 2>had so much fun with that, justin throwcasting and playing

0:37:10.120 --> 0:37:13.520
<v Speaker 2>with these ideas of doubles and duality. Maybe we'll find

0:37:13.520 --> 0:37:17.799
<v Speaker 2>out that house was specifically created or is there to

0:37:18.080 --> 0:37:22.400
<v Speaker 2>be the distraction for this and maybe rob Co was

0:37:22.400 --> 0:37:24.640
<v Speaker 2>always connected to that. I'm excited to see how the

0:37:24.680 --> 0:37:27.400
<v Speaker 2>conspiracy plays out. I really think this is one of

0:37:27.400 --> 0:37:29.759
<v Speaker 2>the rare shows where they don't even pitch it to

0:37:29.800 --> 0:37:31.520
<v Speaker 2>you as a mystery box which is the best kind

0:37:31.520 --> 0:37:33.840
<v Speaker 2>of mystery box show. But as we get further into it,

0:37:33.880 --> 0:37:36.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh no, there are like extreme amounts of

0:37:36.640 --> 0:37:38.680
<v Speaker 2>layers to this, and you can go back and peel

0:37:38.719 --> 0:37:41.920
<v Speaker 2>them and unpeel them and take different things from every episode.

0:37:41.960 --> 0:37:43.759
<v Speaker 2>It's a real fun to have something like this to

0:37:43.800 --> 0:37:44.520
<v Speaker 2>dig into again.

0:37:45.800 --> 0:37:48.160
<v Speaker 1>It is really fun. I do worry that it's a

0:37:48.200 --> 0:37:50.759
<v Speaker 1>little over I mean, it's extremely convoluted, but that's so

0:37:51.280 --> 0:37:53.759
<v Speaker 1>the game is actually very convoluted as well.

0:37:54.440 --> 0:37:59.040
<v Speaker 2>Streamlining last three episodes, what's your pitch? Like, just episode

0:37:59.040 --> 0:38:03.200
<v Speaker 2>about each different, like tell me where you think they

0:38:03.239 --> 0:38:06.360
<v Speaker 2>can get back to that streamlined punch of the first season.

0:38:06.960 --> 0:38:09.120
<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't actually know. I just think that

0:38:09.200 --> 0:38:11.239
<v Speaker 1>if the Enclave is kind of going to be the

0:38:11.239 --> 0:38:13.160
<v Speaker 1>big reveal at the end of this, you could have

0:38:14.000 --> 0:38:19.400
<v Speaker 1>had them be more present earlier on. But again it's unclear.

0:38:19.600 --> 0:38:22.040
<v Speaker 1>Like I will say, here's the thing that I think

0:38:22.800 --> 0:38:27.799
<v Speaker 1>in some ways is kind of muddying the waters one.

0:38:28.000 --> 0:38:34.080
<v Speaker 1>We're not sure what our heroes are necessarily fighting for.

0:38:34.719 --> 0:38:37.320
<v Speaker 1>I think they've done actually a good job with Max,

0:38:37.560 --> 0:38:39.680
<v Speaker 1>which is he's just fighting for a better world like

0:38:39.760 --> 0:38:44.439
<v Speaker 1>he would like to see, you know, basically, like let's

0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:46.920
<v Speaker 1>rebuild Shady Sands but make it the whole country. Is

0:38:47.040 --> 0:38:49.560
<v Speaker 1>kind of like Max's thing, like can we not like

0:38:49.640 --> 0:38:55.560
<v Speaker 1>redo a Shady Sands type project. Lucy is fighting for

0:38:55.640 --> 0:38:58.520
<v Speaker 1>some kind of justice and accountability within the wasteland. It's

0:38:58.640 --> 0:39:01.600
<v Speaker 1>it's clear that that keeps eluding her grasp, and it's

0:39:01.680 --> 0:39:04.080
<v Speaker 1>unclear if that will ever come back. And the ghoul

0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:09.400
<v Speaker 1>just wants his wife and daughter back. Okay, how do

0:39:09.520 --> 0:39:14.000
<v Speaker 1>all of those things fit together and against that is

0:39:14.040 --> 0:39:17.319
<v Speaker 1>the question I have Because if Bob House is not

0:39:17.480 --> 0:39:20.719
<v Speaker 1>the bad guy and Hank was the bad guy in

0:39:20.800 --> 0:39:23.839
<v Speaker 1>season one, he's I guess ostensibly kind of the bad

0:39:23.880 --> 0:39:27.080
<v Speaker 1>guy in this episode, although it's unclear if he understands

0:39:27.120 --> 0:39:30.000
<v Speaker 1>about the Enclave, and when we see the flashbacks, he's

0:39:30.040 --> 0:39:33.640
<v Speaker 1>nothing more than a mine or mine or minor peace

0:39:33.680 --> 0:39:35.799
<v Speaker 1>in the overall conspirait. He's the guy who was like

0:39:37.520 --> 0:39:42.480
<v Speaker 1>tricked or cajoled or somehow forced to put the cold

0:39:42.480 --> 0:39:44.640
<v Speaker 1>fusion diode in his head and smuggle it to Vegas,

0:39:44.680 --> 0:39:47.359
<v Speaker 1>if he even knew that's what he was doing. So

0:39:47.400 --> 0:39:50.839
<v Speaker 1>it's it's I guess what we're lacking is a kind

0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:56.840
<v Speaker 1>of unifying antagonist. And yes, I am eager to find

0:39:56.840 --> 0:40:01.640
<v Speaker 1>out exactly who that is, because now it seemed that

0:40:01.719 --> 0:40:07.719
<v Speaker 1>we've got another protagonist entering the Fray, and that is

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<v Speaker 1>Ron Perlman. Are super mutant? Mm hmm, what does that mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that going to be super mutants and ghouls and

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<v Speaker 1>are ragtag human heroes teaming up to do what free

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<v Speaker 1>the wasteland? I guess I'm eager to see which way

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<v Speaker 1>that goes. But it is again, you've kind of just

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<v Speaker 1>got to embrace and accept how tangled this show is.

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say, is this reminding you at all

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<v Speaker 2>of like and obviously totally different shows and totally different

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<v Speaker 2>storytelling vibes. But there has been a lot of comparisons

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<v Speaker 2>for season two of this of like almost trying to

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<v Speaker 2>expand out in the way Game of Thrones did in

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<v Speaker 2>season two, but people didn't necessarily feel like the groundwork

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<v Speaker 2>was put in in season one a fallout the way

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<v Speaker 2>it was in Game of Throne season one, where you

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<v Speaker 2>can really understand the kingdoms and the landscapes and who

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<v Speaker 2>lives in each one. We still don't have a great

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<v Speaker 2>vision of all the different factions and how their lives interact,

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<v Speaker 2>aside from them being like an obstacle right for like

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<v Speaker 2>the Ghoul and Lucy. So I think, like, I agree

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<v Speaker 2>with you, I'm interested to see how they can tie

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<v Speaker 2>these together, but I trust them. I think the show's

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<v Speaker 2>really interesting. And also, oh yeah, this is a really

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<v Speaker 2>great show. And if this is all setting up like

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<v Speaker 2>a Super six season three that's totally different and all

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<v Speaker 2>about this crazy mute and enclave war, I'm into that too.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I'd love to for these last three episodes

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<v Speaker 2>to really have some like propulsive momentum and stay maybe

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<v Speaker 2>in the present more well.

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<v Speaker 1>I will say that this is very much like my

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<v Speaker 1>experience playing the game, which is you'll be on this

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<v Speaker 1>main quest line or a faction quest line where you're

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<v Speaker 1>you know, unwrapping the machinations of the Enclave or the

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<v Speaker 1>Brotherhood or you know whoever, and then you know, or

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<v Speaker 1>taking on the Institute or engaging with the Railroad, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>the case may be. And then I'll just go on

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<v Speaker 1>a two three four day we meandering of like growing

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<v Speaker 1>mutt fruit and like going here and there collecting scrap,

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<v Speaker 1>going on random side quests killing raiders, and then when

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<v Speaker 1>I come back to the quest line that I was doing,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, wait, what the fuck was I doing? That

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<v Speaker 1>is a lot like that is a lot like the

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<v Speaker 1>experience of this show.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes I have to say, that's a really good representation

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<v Speaker 2>of playing a Triple A game in general, because like

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna obviously bring up my famous you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Breath of the Wild, still the probably the only person

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<v Speaker 2>who actively plays like hours of it every week and

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<v Speaker 2>has never finished it, But like the other one I

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<v Speaker 2>think about a lot like that is like, obviously we

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<v Speaker 2>talk about this a lot. We're huge fans of the

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<v Speaker 2>old Arkham games, the Batman games, but that would definitely

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be like they'd be like, oh no, Rosie the

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<v Speaker 2>Riddler's calling people and then having dead shots snipe them.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'd go on for three days just going to

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<v Speaker 2>every like phone move, and then I'd get back and

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<v Speaker 2>they'd be like, quickly, you're gonna get the penguin from

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<v Speaker 2>the Natchoy stream music, and I'd be.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, where the fuck is that?

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<v Speaker 2>Like, I'm not by I was handing down the Red

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<v Speaker 2>Law Like, so, yeah, I agree, it feels kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like that. So they're adapting the feeling of playing the game,

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<v Speaker 2>which is nice.

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<v Speaker 1>And join us tomorrow as we dive back into a

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<v Speaker 1>Night of the Seven Kingdoms, episode one of the series

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<v Speaker 1>for our Ravens Report, which we dive deeper into the

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<v Speaker 1>world of Westros and the world of Duncan Egg. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's it for this episode. Thanks for listening to The

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