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Speaker 2: Today, instead we're talking about a fallout. Can you believe it?
Speaker 2: It's going to be Fallout. We get some coupe action,
Speaker 2: some Bob action, and me and Jason are going to
Speaker 2: be breaking it all down for you.
Speaker 1: First the recap, episode six, Season two Fallout. We open
Speaker 1: in the past at a Voltech meeting where Barb is
Speaker 1: watching a optimistic hypothetical presentation about the effects of a
Speaker 1: potential nuclear strike on Los Angeles and the mainland of
Speaker 1: the United States. Headline, it's not that big a deal.
Speaker 1: You'd shrug it off, you know, hide under a door.
Speaker 1: That's what they always used to tell us when we
Speaker 1: were kids. You like put a door like you wouldn't
Speaker 1: necessarily gonna help. You know, it's not a big deal.
Speaker 1: We're Vault Tech. You're gonna be in the vault. Everything's
Speaker 1: good right down there now, worry about it. The vault
Speaker 1: Tech c suite has flagged one issue with the Vaultech hardware,
Speaker 1: and that is the water chips, the water filtration chips
Speaker 1: of which overseer Betty has been having such a hard
Speaker 1: time with. They have a thirty percent fail rate. But
Speaker 1: good news, they already know which chips are gonna fail,
Speaker 1: soh which leads me, why don't they just get rid
Speaker 1: of the ones that we're going to fail and then
Speaker 1: make more and then imagine whatever. They already know which
Speaker 1: chips are going to fail, so they can actually decide
Speaker 1: for the future which vault will in the future run
Speaker 1: out of water. Meanwhile, corporations are terrible. It's crazy terrible. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: because of more good news, because of Vautech's high tech
Speaker 1: and highly advanced alert system, the company is actually going
Speaker 1: to be able to get their highest paying customers into
Speaker 1: the vault more efficiently and more quickly. So don't worry,
Speaker 1: guys about the nuclear holocausts. It's actually gonna be fine.
Speaker 2: You'll be okay, and your Amazon Prime will get you
Speaker 2: in that quicker than anyone else. But don't worry. It's
Speaker 2: just before you get in you're gonna find out some more,
Speaker 2: a little bit more fake Bob House time. We're getting
Speaker 2: some more Bob House time, but it's fake Bob House time.
Speaker 2: Hank is in there sitting notes, and we see fake
Speaker 2: Bob presenting the Automated Man product aka as we know
Speaker 2: it will be the rob Co Mind Control Chip. Bob
Speaker 2: is basically like, hey, cold fusion, ColdFusion. You gotta give
Speaker 2: me the ColdFusion. I need it so I can get
Speaker 2: my shit in Vegas going. I need the cold fusion. Oh,
Speaker 2: it's gonna go find Meanwhile, Bob mission going bad, and
Speaker 2: then the past boom. We're out of it for now,
Speaker 2: but we're gonna go back and learn some big stuff
Speaker 2: in the present. Well, the gul is still stuck on
Speaker 2: that pole. Remember that I loved that opening. He's still there.
Speaker 2: He's rotting, the guts are coming out, giant flagpoles sticking
Speaker 2: out of his guts. And of course the new Vegas
Speaker 2: citizens just could not care less. They don't give a shit.
Speaker 2: Who's this guy? Dog Meat shows up because that's Man's
Speaker 2: best friends, their business. They don't care. They're like, why
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter? So Google basically like, hey, dog Meat
Speaker 2: ever wanted to be like a drug dealer, Can you
Speaker 2: get me these medicine vials over there? And then I
Speaker 2: won't turn into a ghoul and he passes out into
Speaker 2: blackness and we don't see anything else.
Speaker 1: I will. I'm disappointed in dog Meat this season. There's
Speaker 1: a dog Meat is kind of just running away and
Speaker 1: not doing much.
Speaker 2: And that's how it would be in the game. Right
Speaker 2: in the.
Speaker 1: Game, dog meat has been I'm not the dog meat
Speaker 1: is not your best companion, but dog meat is there
Speaker 1: for you. Dog Meat will carry extra junk and gear
Speaker 1: if you need dog meat to do that. Dog Meat
Speaker 1: will attack. Dog Meat will help you. Dog Meat in
Speaker 1: the in the in the show, not not doing very
Speaker 1: much and it's upsetting to me. We go back to Vegas,
Speaker 1: we go back to the recollection of the Summit. Cooper
Speaker 1: is upset. He's in the hotel room. He's asked bar Blake,
Speaker 1: were you always a monster or did you just become
Speaker 1: a Oh what? He's like, I know that you plan
Speaker 1: to nuke the world. You're gonna drop the fucking bomb.
Speaker 2: Fun hotel conversation, pillow talk.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Meanwhile, Lucy wakes up all healed up in a
Speaker 1: nice vault bed. Clearly in the vault tech subterranean headquarters
Speaker 1: under New Vegas that her father Hank, has been lurking
Speaker 1: in and working in for low these past weeks. She
Speaker 1: sneaks out. She finds a room with all these mind
Speaker 1: controlled you know, machine man robo chip people in there,
Speaker 1: and they're all working in this very kind of pluribus
Speaker 1: type high ho high ho off to work we go
Speaker 1: type choreography. Hank is there and you know, they they chat.
Speaker 1: He's preparing a meal for her. He's like, hey, remember
Speaker 1: back of the well, you were gonna read all quite
Speaker 1: on the Western Front, and we never talked about it.
Speaker 1: And she's like, oh, well, I am. You know, I
Speaker 1: didn't finish it. Also, I found the book, you know,
Speaker 1: and the and the depiction of soulless, remorseless warfare that
Speaker 1: destroys everything beautiful about humanity very disturbing, and hands like, oh,
Speaker 1: let's talk about it more. He's like, I found, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I also found it troubling that it seemed
Speaker 1: like the soldiers were fighting for nothing. And you know
Speaker 1: what that reminds me of life on the surface, nothing
Speaker 1: like life in a vault where life has meaning.
Speaker 2: Oh, life has meaning in the vault. Lucy's like absolutely
Speaker 2: fucking not. And just like Jabs, a pair of sys
Speaker 2: is his throat, which I love. I have to say
Speaker 2: I think that Lucy Hank Costing is so good in
Speaker 2: this show because we get this great moment where Hank
Speaker 2: is just completely nonplus, like he believes still that he
Speaker 2: can get Lucy on his side, and she says, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take you to justice. She sort of starts
Speaker 2: to march him out, and he's like, no, you got
Speaker 2: to understand, like I did it for you. I love you.
Speaker 2: You're my special little girl. And and by the way,
Speaker 2: I'm making the world a better place. No one will
Speaker 2: be fighting each other anymore. Everyone's gonna get along, Like please,
Speaker 2: just just come with me, and she's like no, and
Speaker 2: then we slam over to area fifty one, where we
Speaker 2: see Thaddeus in the stock coming out of the stolen
Speaker 2: power armor, one of my favorite scenes with him pretending
Speaker 2: that he was, you know, the very fancy Undaddius like
Speaker 2: Commonwealth power armor. Max stays at the fusion cores and
Speaker 2: Daddius is like, fuck it, we're gonna sell it. We
Speaker 2: can do it. This is great and Max is like.
Speaker 1: No, I want to save the world.
Speaker 2: My guy like, and Daddius is like, oh, we could
Speaker 2: just sell it and like live happily with these ghoul
Speaker 2: children that you saved. The discussion continues by a campfire,
Speaker 2: and honestly, you can really see that this is like
Speaker 2: a true friendship in this very fucked up, messed up
Speaker 2: world of four well out. I recently chatted to Francis
Speaker 2: turn who plays Bob, and we were kind of talking
Speaker 2: about one of the reasons the show's hits is these
Speaker 2: kind of quiet character moments you get, and we get
Speaker 2: that here where Max sort of reveals that he thinks
Speaker 2: the best thing to do is give the Fusion Core
Speaker 2: to Lucy, because he thinks Lucy is a good person,
Speaker 2: and thats is like, well, wouldn't you also be a
Speaker 2: good person if you fucking grew up in the vault
Speaker 2: and had water and food and all these incredible things
Speaker 2: and safety and the idea that there were things around you.
Speaker 2: He thinks good people are really people with the means
Speaker 2: to be good, and I love that read. I think
Speaker 2: it's really interesting Max. Of course, he disagrees, and he
Speaker 2: recalls his time in Shady Sands, where there was a
Speaker 2: true community, or working class community, and he still has
Speaker 2: that inside him and wants to bring that back. And
Speaker 2: I love that it's such a good, well written interaction
Speaker 2: because they're both right. It's so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they are on some level both right. Max is
Speaker 1: right that you can build a community of people who
Speaker 1: are trying to do the right thing. And I think
Speaker 1: that is is us so correct in that this is
Speaker 1: a dogg eat dog world. And Shady Sands got blown
Speaker 1: up and they're gone now exactly back on the strip,
Speaker 1: it's nighttime. The ghoul is still stuck on the pole.
Speaker 1: He is thinking of his daughter, He's thinking of her
Speaker 1: somewhere alive in a cryotube. And he gin's up enough
Speaker 1: strength to like get it at the top of the bowl.
Speaker 1: And he gets to the part of the top of
Speaker 1: the flagpole that has that big ball on top of it.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that ball is called, but at
Speaker 1: the top of the flag pole. Yeah, and he's trying
Speaker 1: to now he's got to get his wound past that
Speaker 1: big ball, and he can't do it. He can't do it,
Speaker 1: and he slides back down the pole and the death
Speaker 1: claws are circling now. But then something huge approaches and
Speaker 1: with a little flick of the back of its hand
Speaker 1: knocks the top of the pole off just like Bink bink,
Speaker 1: and picks Cooper off the pole and carries them away,
Speaker 1: and it's very clearly a super mutant of some kind.
Speaker 1: The supermutans finally arrive in the game. Back in thirty three,
Speaker 1: Regges in Bread support group parties are like have reached
Speaker 1: full roaring twenties type fervor where it's like, fuck everything,
Speaker 1: who cares what's going on in the wire vault. We
Speaker 1: are eating snacks, we've got full recent, we've got soda,
Speaker 1: we've got water flowing into the soda string creating the water.
Speaker 1: It's going great. We love it. We're soaking up all
Speaker 1: the resources. Fuck everybody outside. It's great and here in
Speaker 1: this party, and that party is just popping off. When
Speaker 1: overseer Betty arrives with the cops to finally put an
Speaker 1: end to the madness, she's like snack budget gone, group dissolved,
Speaker 1: that's it, it's over. And redg then tries to negotiate,
Speaker 1: and you know, basic talking about how this is like
Speaker 1: his right as an American and all of their rights
Speaker 1: is in bred Americans, so like, you know, never stop
Speaker 1: dreaming of a better day. Where the snacks are endless
Speaker 1: and the water flows like like water. Betty reiterates that, Listen,
Speaker 1: we're running out of water like wet water. All the
Speaker 1: water in this place is in here, and you're wasting
Speaker 1: rations and there's no time for this. And then Reg
Speaker 1: launches into like basically like a Vault thirty three first
Speaker 1: type agenda where he's like, you originally for thirty one,
Speaker 1: you're a weirdo. I don't trust anybody from thirty one.
Speaker 1: You don't get the culture of thirty three, and Betty
Speaker 1: basically goes soft and let's get it, like, why did
Speaker 1: you come here with all these cops. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: get walk the fuck away.
Speaker 2: I was trying to work out, do you think in
Speaker 2: that moment she's just trying to like stop it from
Speaker 2: blowing up, Like I don't know what her plan was,
Speaker 2: but I feel like I got to know more about
Speaker 2: what Betty's thinking because she's making some bad decision.
Speaker 1: She's a fucking she's soft, she's a freezers.
Speaker 2: Jason said, she saw be tough on crime.
Speaker 1: Bitch.
Speaker 2: Come on, Betty, you're the overseer that's a tough on
Speaker 2: crime type of name. Meanwhile, in thirty two. Oh, poor Chet.
Speaker 2: When will Check get some justice for Chet? That's what
Speaker 2: I want to know. Chet learns that Woody has gone
Speaker 2: missing after his ominous meeting with Steph that he oversaw,
Speaker 2: and then he learns that he himself. Chat is getting
Speaker 2: married to Steph tomorrow and there are flyers everywhere and
Speaker 2: he has no bloody idea. That is not the only
Speaker 2: exciting news though, because the Ghoul wakes up on a rack.
Speaker 2: Ghol girlies, I know you're going to be loving this
Speaker 2: one because he's shirtless and the supermutant played by the
Speaker 2: original inspirer of all monster fuckers everywhere, Ron Perlman. Incredible casting.
Speaker 2: They kept this one a secret. I love this so much. Yes,
Speaker 2: who obviously played Beating the Beast, Hellboy many different monsters
Speaker 2: that many women have wanted to make love to. I
Speaker 2: love that they put him in here and now he
Speaker 2: is fixing the.
Speaker 1: Ghuls, gaping Torso Hole, Thunder, the Hunchback in name of
Speaker 1: the Rose, like He's sea have lost children when it
Speaker 1: comes to like possibly deformed outcasts. No one has that
Speaker 1: corner lockdown like Ron Perlman.
Speaker 2: That man has got his niche un lock and we
Speaker 2: love him and he's like seventy and all the monster
Speaker 2: fucker girl. He still love him and they still gonna
Speaker 2: love him even more after this. So guess what great news.
Speaker 2: There's gonna be more monsters and more mutants because the
Speaker 2: reason the super mutant is helping the Goal is he
Speaker 2: tells him that there is a war coming and we
Speaker 2: need you healthy. The Supermuni explains that the Gul basically
Speaker 2: like he's now essentially one of the last of his kind.
Speaker 2: They have hunted supermutants to extinction, but he is on
Speaker 2: a mission of revenge against Bomb but a bump bump bump,
Speaker 2: the Enclave, which we have kind of been talking about
Speaker 2: in the lead up. We haven't seen yet, but we
Speaker 2: thought they might come, and he basically wants to enlist
Speaker 2: the Goal in the fight, which I think very fucking clever, honestly,
Speaker 2: because the Goal can survive anything like this man is
Speaker 2: a different level of legendary kill, a legendary kind of assassin.
Speaker 2: It makes sense to have him on this. And then
Speaker 2: we're going to be going back to New Vegas for
Speaker 2: a little emotional flashback, which I will hand back over
Speaker 2: to Jason because Bob and Coop shit is getting crazy
Speaker 2: Barbari coopshit is getting crazy.
Speaker 1: We flash back again Cooper and barb arguing about whether
Speaker 1: it's bad or good to start a nuclear war question
Speaker 1: in the bombs yourself in a false flag operation of
Speaker 1: genocidal proportions. We learn in another flashback within a flashback crazy.
Speaker 1: It's like a nesting doll of flashbacks, which I have
Speaker 1: to say, inception, Yeah, you and I are are our
Speaker 1: experienced TV and story watchers agree. I think this was
Speaker 1: a little bit of a confusing structure. I think this
Speaker 1: is a little can people follow this or people following this?
Speaker 1: Like I'm not saying that obviously audiences are very smart,
Speaker 1: but I think this is like a little this is
Speaker 1: hat within a hat, said arm hat. This is like
Speaker 1: hat inside of hat.
Speaker 2: I fully agree because people were confused by the time
Speaker 2: shifts at the beginning of Heat had rivalry, which if
Speaker 2: you were not on your phone, were easy to follow.
Speaker 2: This will baffle, but once you rewatch, it's cool because,
Speaker 2: like I was speaking to Francis, You're gonna be able
Speaker 2: to tell that on our news episode, there is an
Speaker 2: element of mystery box to Bob and Coop's relationship that
Speaker 2: we start to unravel hair but yeah, no, I agree
Speaker 2: that the I had to double check that this was
Speaker 2: a flashback within a flashback, and it was a flashback,
Speaker 2: so a flashback.
Speaker 1: We got to a flashback within a flashback. And what
Speaker 1: we learn is that earlier barbed about the way things
Speaker 1: geopolitically and potentially like with regards to corporate leadership of
Speaker 1: the United States, is going asks young Betty about the
Speaker 1: cold fusion diode, how it stored security around it, and
Speaker 1: basically clearly is plotting to steal the diode so that
Speaker 1: she could give it to Bob House and Rob Co,
Speaker 1: thus stealing the deal. The cold Fusion doll Ben from
Speaker 1: Lost shows.
Speaker 2: Up, like where did that come from?
Speaker 1: Sure, it's young or the same doctor Siggy Willzig who
Speaker 1: we saw in season one as dog Meat's original owner
Speaker 1: and a kind of I guess indentured scientist working in
Speaker 1: the in the working for the Enclave somehow doing research
Speaker 1: for the Enclave. He shows up and is like, listen,
Speaker 1: you don't know me. I'm not going to introduce myself,
Speaker 1: but you have to get the cold fusion and give
Speaker 1: it to Bob House, and you have to do it
Speaker 1: or your whole family will die. Just as I had
Speaker 1: to deliver this message to you or my entire family
Speaker 1: would die.
Speaker 2: Uh oh.
Speaker 1: And then we flash minutely forward again to the summit
Speaker 1: in Vegas, where Barb is at the meeting with fake
Speaker 1: rob House. Bob House. Fake Bob House, you know, is like, hey,
Speaker 1: the robotic man, here's this mind control chip. It's great
Speaker 1: and this you know, we will supply this in return
Speaker 1: for the cold fusion. And then Barb immediately because of
Speaker 1: this exchange, it seems that pushed her over the edge
Speaker 1: with doctor Wilzig says, you know what, what if we
Speaker 1: drop the bomb? What if we drop the bombs? What? Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: so then we flash all the way forward within the
Speaker 1: flashback back to Coop and Barb in Vegas having this argument.
Speaker 1: She's so this lets us know that this flashback within
Speaker 1: a flashback, Barb has told Cooper right, and so she's
Speaker 1: now saying, you know, I don't know who runs vall Tech,
Speaker 1: but somebody is running it secretly who I didn't. I
Speaker 1: don't know who they are, but there's some other secretive
Speaker 1: force that's behind Valltech. Coop wants to find out, but
Speaker 1: he is told that he can't stop what's coming. A
Speaker 1: little confusing within the show section there, and we hope
Speaker 1: this makes it more clear, but it's what we've basically
Speaker 1: learned is that there is some kind of secretive group
Speaker 1: or person that is running Vault Tech and making decisions
Speaker 1: that are unaccountable to anybody.
Speaker 2: Yes, and it does seem like this kind of implication
Speaker 2: here of finally getting to understand that Bob and Cooper
Speaker 2: ironically have kind of been doing the same thing in
Speaker 2: different timelines, like he is going around killing everyone for
Speaker 2: his family and she was willing to do the same.
Speaker 2: Really interesting stuff, speaking of messed up family relationships, we
Speaker 2: have Lucy marching Hank through the Vault offices where we
Speaker 2: see his very creepy mind control work office just toiling
Speaker 2: like there were workers of wastelanders. They've clearly been made
Speaker 2: up into these weird mind controlled worker drones. Hank is
Speaker 2: obviously like, their lives are so much better now. Look
Speaker 2: at them. They they don't have scars on they've got
Speaker 2: scars on their faces, but they're not trying to kill
Speaker 2: each other. And Lucy is trying to free them. She's like, hey, guys,
Speaker 2: you haven't been mind controlled, Like, please let these guys go, Hank,
Speaker 2: and a scuffle breaks out, Lucy has to kill one
Speaker 2: of the guys to stop the guy killing the other guy. Lucy,
Speaker 2: he presses the button and raises their brains and in
Speaker 2: that moment does exactly what Hank wants. And then as
Speaker 2: we see our supermutant dragging the ghoul somewhere, Cooper remembers
Speaker 2: how back in Vegas he took Hank opt his room
Speaker 2: and tried to slip him the stuff that Moldava passed
Speaker 2: him the mystery du so we know it wasn't to kill,
Speaker 2: We now know it was to drug. It works. Hank
Speaker 2: blacks out and boom.
Speaker 1: Coop then opens the case that's attached to Hank's wrist
Speaker 1: that he's been wearing for the last couple of episodes,
Speaker 1: and he finds like this weird injector thing that's actually
Speaker 1: like a it's actually like a revealer, not quite an injector.
Speaker 1: It's for taking something out of something. Barb comes back.
Speaker 1: She takes the injector, she shoots it into Hank's skull
Speaker 1: and it removes the cold fusion diale that Rais's head.
Speaker 1: So her heists is successful and she now has the
Speaker 1: coin by which she can start the nuclear war. The
Speaker 1: thing that Bob House wants so dearly this cold fusion diode. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: back in the way sat dog Ney it carries the
Speaker 1: ghules hat to Max and Fattius, who are then led
Speaker 1: in turn to the Ghul who is recovering in some
Speaker 1: shack somewhere. Our band is getting back together, Rosie. Let's
Speaker 1: take a quick break and discuss this episode when we return.
Speaker 1: How we're back? Okay, Wow, So a lot to unpack here,
Speaker 1: because again I think an unnecessarily overly convoluted episode. But
Speaker 1: we learned some important things. One that Voltech there's some
Speaker 1: conspiracy behind Vaal Tech that and two that Barb was
Speaker 1: has been much more active in events than we understood,
Speaker 1: and that Barb might have some other secret plan that
Speaker 1: she has enacted and that is running somewhere in the
Speaker 1: background that we don't know about. And we learn that
Speaker 1: ben Lionis is in the show.
Speaker 2: We learn the on claim as a thing.
Speaker 1: Maybe the Enclave is a thing. That's right, the Enclave
Speaker 1: is a thing. So let's talk about these, Rosie. What's
Speaker 1: what your thoughts on this episode and what struck you.
Speaker 2: My biggest standout and this is why we we really
Speaker 2: work to get Francis on the show, you'll be able
Speaker 2: to go on Sunday on Saturday with news. I just
Speaker 2: really wanted to know more about Bob. I think that
Speaker 2: the show has done such a great job of building
Speaker 2: in all these really interesting characters, even the ancillary characters,
Speaker 2: you know, Betsy, people like that. Norm All these kind
Speaker 2: of stories often center around these interactions, but we don't
Speaker 2: really get to have any personal interactions with Bob. In
Speaker 2: season one, we thought she was just kind of a homemaker,
Speaker 2: and then we got that huge reveal, and then in
Speaker 2: season two, now I was like, come on, okay, I
Speaker 2: need to know what motivates her. And I love that
Speaker 2: they have just made it textually like hey, if you've
Speaker 2: been judging her, but you've been supporting Coop on his
Speaker 2: way to find her, then you basically are hypocrite. And
Speaker 2: I love when stories do something like that to us.
Speaker 2: So that really struck me. I think you're right. When
Speaker 2: I was rewatching the episode, I was thinking a lot
Speaker 2: about the flashback usage, and I think it was a
Speaker 2: way for them to not do lots of like exposition
Speaker 2: of them just talking about what happened. But I also
Speaker 2: do think it is a little bit inceptiony, like Paprikrey
Speaker 2: dream in a Dream, in a Dream in a Dream.
Speaker 2: I love Ron Palman, obviously, I love that casting. I
Speaker 2: love the suit immutants. Jason, what are your thoughts on
Speaker 2: this episode and now where do you see the last
Speaker 2: three episodes going, because we're in big third act territory
Speaker 2: here with a lot of stuff being set up.
Speaker 1: Well, my thoughts are, first of all, you know, this
Speaker 1: is I'm going to say something. I have a take
Speaker 1: that's very self serving regarding the Institute. I wonder if
Speaker 1: ben Linus isn't an Institute related. He's got that very
Speaker 1: cold and kind of almost detached affect, you know. Here
Speaker 1: he comes talking about how they're gonna kill his entire
Speaker 1: family if he doesn't deliver this message. It leads us
Speaker 1: to you know, who are we talking about? But just
Speaker 1: the way he delivers it makes me wonder if now
Speaker 1: we're not going to see more of the Institute the Enclave.
Speaker 1: I have to say, I was a little shocked that
Speaker 1: here that we're going to bring the Enclave in this
Speaker 1: late now and now it makes me wonder if we've
Speaker 1: seen any inklings of the Enclave. There's Linus is like
Speaker 1: an enclave, although I you know, to me, the Enclave.
Speaker 1: It's very, very possible that the institute was around before
Speaker 1: the war. The Enclay, as I understand it from the Games,
Speaker 1: is a post war group that organized itself around the idea,
Speaker 1: certainly including in its number included survivors of the war
Speaker 1: and people who who were potentially movers and shakers in
Speaker 1: the pre war period. But it's an organization that came
Speaker 1: together after the war, pitching itself basically as we are
Speaker 1: the inheritors of America, like we are actually America, we
Speaker 1: are the continuous American government. And you know, actually there
Speaker 1: are a fascist quasi military group. Be that as it may.
Speaker 1: They see themselves as the inheritors of the of the
Speaker 1: American government. And so I don't think that Ben the
Speaker 1: person that we are calling Ben Linis for the time being,
Speaker 1: could potentially be a emissary of the Onclay. But I
Speaker 1: don't know who do you think Ben Linus represents.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I think you're asking an interesting question.
Speaker 2: I'm also thinking, I think you're right, we've not seen
Speaker 2: any Enclave. But if I'm not mistaken, I think that
Speaker 2: the doctor in the early series, Siggy Wilzig, you know,
Speaker 2: he had the glasses. We saw him. He was dog
Speaker 2: Meet's original owner. I think he had formerly like worked
Speaker 2: alongside the Enclave. So we just like we've heard Inklings,
Speaker 2: but we haven't seen them, and I'm like, I feel
Speaker 2: like with this mention of them, now, I feel like
Speaker 2: it makes sense that ben Linus from Lost is definitely
Speaker 2: representing the Enclave. I think that they to bring it up.
Speaker 2: I don't think they would set it up completely without
Speaker 2: them showing up in this season, but I'm assuming they
Speaker 2: will be the main villain for Fallout season three, which
Speaker 2: I think is also interesting because obviously this game, like
Speaker 2: this show heavily taken from like fall Out four, and
Speaker 2: we know now as canon is really takes from all
Speaker 2: the games. Yeah, but it was interesting because the Enclave
Speaker 2: not really in fall that four, but in you know,
Speaker 2: come back in fall Out seventy six, and so it's
Speaker 2: gonna be interesting to see how they build them in.
Speaker 1: I mean, do I.
Speaker 2: Want to watch third season of Fallout that's about an
Speaker 2: evil white supremacist like fascist American like proto government. Yes,
Speaker 2: you're already ahead of the game, man, we know you're right.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm I'm very intrigued to see where this goes?
Speaker 1: Now here?
Speaker 2: Any Yeah, tell me more, Tell me more.
Speaker 1: Now Here is the wiki from the Enclave page regarding
Speaker 1: the Enclave plotline from Fallout two, which is I didn't
Speaker 1: get on the series until Fallout three, So let me
Speaker 1: read a couple of snippets from this one. The Enclave
Speaker 1: came to consider themselves the last remaining fashion of pure
Speaker 1: mutation free humanity on Earth. Sharing the planet with existing
Speaker 1: wastelanders was deemed untenable, and the rhetoric was used to
Speaker 1: justify the immediate extermination of all mutants. Blah blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah quote. The Enclaves members would be
Speaker 1: the first generation free of mutant threat in over one
Speaker 1: hundred years. Continuing in twenty two thirty five, the Enclave
Speaker 1: began its Experimenttion on Experimentation on Death Clause with the
Speaker 1: aim of creating cheap shock troops for waging war in
Speaker 1: hostile environments. So this leads me to believe that, yes,
Speaker 1: I do think now that there have been the Death
Speaker 1: Claw in Alaska that Coop came into contact with, and
Speaker 1: potentially this super mutant who's saying, you know, they're wiping
Speaker 1: us out. I think this is all the outlines of
Speaker 1: an ongoing enclave conspiracy that stretched to at least the
Speaker 1: war years, not the pre war years, but the war
Speaker 1: with China years. So and it certainly seems like the
Speaker 1: death Claus that are roaming the strip and protecting Voltec
Speaker 1: are in some way wrapped up with Enclave activities. The
Speaker 1: question is like who's running the enclave, Like who is
Speaker 1: the face of the enclave. We don't know that yet,
Speaker 1: but I now reading this, I do think that this
Speaker 1: is where they're going. The Enclave perhaps is actually the
Speaker 1: true force behind the apocalypse that decimated the globe and
Speaker 1: has led to the the post apocalyptic environment that we
Speaker 1: now see. Interesting, I don't but who is running the
Speaker 1: enclave that outlive that's the question.
Speaker 2: And is it one person? Is it someone Is it
Speaker 2: going to be someone that we've met before, is it
Speaker 2: going to be someone from pre established flashback government. I'm
Speaker 2: very excited. I feel like they're doing a good job
Speaker 2: keeping big costing secrets like with Rompalman. I'm very interesting.
Speaker 2: I'm just very interested to see how it goes.
Speaker 1: The Barberville So it's a little unclear to me what
Speaker 1: Barb's overall planet is, but I think it's clearly just
Speaker 1: to her feeling. Is the war's coming regardless, right, mm hmm.
Speaker 1: This is how I can get my family into the
Speaker 1: vault to make sure they.
Speaker 2: Ride out the war.
Speaker 1: How do you read her, her intentions and her motivations.
Speaker 2: I think that she is a mother. I think she's
Speaker 2: a complicated person. I think she's a realist. I think
Speaker 2: she is working on the fly. And what I'm really
Speaker 2: excited to see right now, and what I think is
Speaker 2: going to be a big twist, is that I think
Speaker 2: that we're going to see that her and Coop from
Speaker 2: this point onwards, are we're actually working together to try
Speaker 2: and stop this doing some kind of version on the fly.
Speaker 2: And what he's really searching for her for is because
Speaker 2: they were back in love, they were back on the
Speaker 2: same team, and it is not this vengeance mission. It's
Speaker 2: not because of this reason that he's found out afterwards
Speaker 2: that she said this thing. And I'm very excited to
Speaker 2: see where that goes. I think Goggins and Turner so
Speaker 2: good together. They have great chemistry that when they argue,
Speaker 2: they look like a real married couple. They have like
Speaker 2: a shortthand that you believe so to me, I want
Speaker 2: to see where that goes. And I want to see
Speaker 2: if they're going to give Bob like a true redemptive arc,
Speaker 2: like oh, she was always against it, or if they're
Speaker 2: going to allow her to sit in that more complicated
Speaker 2: space of being someone who's just doing anything they can
Speaker 2: to save their child, which we get that great moment
Speaker 2: in the hotel here where Coop says that to her
Speaker 2: and he's like, so you just like kill all these
Speaker 2: other people's kids, like and other moms like you, And
Speaker 2: she's like, yeah, like wouldn't you if it meant our
Speaker 2: kid would survive. There's just like an honesty there that
Speaker 2: I think is really interesting. So I'm very I'm excited
Speaker 2: to see where that goes. But obviously I think we'll
Speaker 2: probably be like a secondary plot line to our major
Speaker 2: war that they're going to be establishing.
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated to see where the end of the Lucy
Speaker 1: Hank arc from this episode leaves them, because Lucy, I think,
Speaker 1: very begrudgingly brainwashes these two guys. It remains to be
Speaker 1: seen whether this brainwashing is reversible unclear, Yeah, but she
Speaker 1: very begrudgingly does it because these two guys were going
Speaker 1: to kill each other and potentially massacre the whole room.
Speaker 1: But what does this mean for Lucy and Hank. It's
Speaker 1: very clear that Hank, I think, very connivingly, was like Lucy, Lucy, Lucy,
Speaker 1: I love you whatever you want. If you want barbarity
Speaker 1: and violence to rain in the wasteland and you know,
Speaker 1: the primal urges of the human animal to be raised
Speaker 1: up to the primary position once again, like I am
Speaker 1: happy to do that. You are my daughter, and I
Speaker 1: love you so much, and I'm here to take accountability
Speaker 1: for all my actions. And that's what it means that
Speaker 1: that barbaria reigns. Then that's fine. But look at how
Speaker 1: great things are here. Everybody's working together, nobody's putting a
Speaker 1: nice pick in each other's brains. We have murderers doing,
Speaker 1: you know, creating mind control chips. It's it's really one.
Speaker 1: And so when Lucy presses the button, I see it
Speaker 1: as like a moment of desperation to stop violence in
Speaker 1: this moment. But could it is it possible that she
Speaker 1: when we come back next episode, that she's somehow come
Speaker 1: over to her side in some way.
Speaker 2: I don't think so, but I do think she's gonna
Speaker 2: want to believe in him doing something for good because
Speaker 2: that is what she like knows. But she also knows
Speaker 2: about you know, shady Sands and all the awful things
Speaker 2: that he did. I wouldn't be surprised if unforgivable genocide,
Speaker 2: all like horrific stuff, and also just all the lies,
Speaker 2: like everything you told her was a lie. You can't
Speaker 2: trust him, but she wants to still love him. I
Speaker 2: think what we're actually going to be more likely to
Speaker 2: see is I would guess that the next episode he's
Speaker 2: gonna try and convince her and she may kind of
Speaker 2: play into it. Then I think we might see him
Speaker 2: try to fit her with one of the mind control
Speaker 2: because he wants her to do his good daughter again.
Speaker 2: I think the goolder will come back and save Lucy
Speaker 2: and we will get that reunion, probably with Matt. But
Speaker 2: I think there's probably some kind of implication of him
Speaker 2: wanting her to do whatever he wants and being like
Speaker 2: his Oki dokie good time girl or whatever. So I'm
Speaker 2: interested to see if they go that way, but I don't.
Speaker 2: I think even if she's tempted, she knows the true,
Speaker 2: the truth about Hank, and honestly, it may be that
Speaker 2: she goes oh my God, this is amazing. It works.
Speaker 2: Maybe you're right, and then one of their heads explodes immediately.
Speaker 2: You know, we've seen how dangerous this technology is.
Speaker 1: It's it's very, very dangerous. And I'm a little bit
Speaker 1: unclear on exactly how he perfected it other than just
Speaker 1: like finding the most demented drug addicted guy wandering the
Speaker 1: wasteland who could take like the the full brunt of
Speaker 1: the mind control chip that allowed him and I guess
Speaker 1: that allowed him to like perfect it. Whatever. Here's another question,
Speaker 1: is Bob House actually it is Bob House actually behind
Speaker 1: anything We ride this season and st the first few
Speaker 1: episodes up until this one, thinking and being presented a
Speaker 1: story that seemed to place Bob House at the center
Speaker 1: of this kind of a large scale corporate conspiracy that
Speaker 1: eventually led to nuclear war and is potentially still moving
Speaker 1: events in ways that we don't quite understand it now.
Speaker 1: But it now seems as if with the appearance of
Speaker 1: ben Lyinis and the way Bob and the way we
Speaker 1: left Bob in the in the episode before this one,
Speaker 1: where he puts like the calender on his head and
Speaker 1: certainly seems like it's he's potentially not in control of
Speaker 1: like his full faculties that Bob House is maybe just
Speaker 1: a distraction your thoughts because the reveal that there's actually
Speaker 1: a much more secretive force. Although I that Bob, although
Speaker 1: Bob also sensed it. Bob was also like, whoever did
Speaker 1: the death cloth thing, like that's that's another player on
Speaker 1: the board. But then in that same speech he also says, basically,
Speaker 1: I've now been wondering whether I am the chess player
Speaker 1: or just a chess piece, And I'm wondering the same
Speaker 1: thing if Bob House was actually just a very convoluted distraction,
Speaker 1: and there's gonna be some other big bad possibly the Enclave,
Speaker 1: as we've said, behind all this.
Speaker 2: I think that you're onto something now because also something
Speaker 2: that I think is really interesting is they don't even
Speaker 2: have to pull like the rug from underneath us or anything.
Speaker 2: Everything we know about Bob House can still be true.
Speaker 2: He can set up everything in Vegas New Vegas. He
Speaker 2: can do his little thing, and that makes him seem
Speaker 2: comparatively extremely powerful, but really he's just a guy who
Speaker 2: took advantage of a power vacuum and has his own city,
Speaker 2: which in the world of Fallout is impressive but doesn't
Speaker 2: necessarily mean that he is the machination puppet master behind everything,
Speaker 2: and I kind of love the idea, especially because they
Speaker 2: had so much fun with that, justin throwcasting and playing
Speaker 2: with these ideas of doubles and duality. Maybe we'll find
Speaker 2: out that house was specifically created or is there to
Speaker 2: be the distraction for this and maybe rob Co was
Speaker 2: always connected to that. I'm excited to see how the
Speaker 2: conspiracy plays out. I really think this is one of
Speaker 2: the rare shows where they don't even pitch it to
Speaker 2: you as a mystery box which is the best kind
Speaker 2: of mystery box show. But as we get further into it,
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh no, there are like extreme amounts of
Speaker 2: layers to this, and you can go back and peel
Speaker 2: them and unpeel them and take different things from every episode.
Speaker 2: It's a real fun to have something like this to
Speaker 2: dig into again.
Speaker 1: It is really fun. I do worry that it's a
Speaker 1: little over I mean, it's extremely convoluted, but that's so
Speaker 1: the game is actually very convoluted as well.
Speaker 2: Streamlining last three episodes, what's your pitch? Like, just episode
Speaker 2: about each different, like tell me where you think they
Speaker 2: can get back to that streamlined punch of the first season.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't actually know. I just think that
Speaker 1: if the Enclave is kind of going to be the
Speaker 1: big reveal at the end of this, you could have
Speaker 1: had them be more present earlier on. But again it's unclear.
Speaker 1: Like I will say, here's the thing that I think
Speaker 1: in some ways is kind of muddying the waters one.
Speaker 1: We're not sure what our heroes are necessarily fighting for.
Speaker 1: I think they've done actually a good job with Max,
Speaker 1: which is he's just fighting for a better world like
Speaker 1: he would like to see, you know, basically, like let's
Speaker 1: rebuild Shady Sands but make it the whole country. Is
Speaker 1: kind of like Max's thing, like can we not like
Speaker 1: redo a Shady Sands type project. Lucy is fighting for
Speaker 1: some kind of justice and accountability within the wasteland. It's
Speaker 1: it's clear that that keeps eluding her grasp, and it's
Speaker 1: unclear if that will ever come back. And the ghoul
Speaker 1: just wants his wife and daughter back. Okay, how do
Speaker 1: all of those things fit together and against that is
Speaker 1: the question I have Because if Bob House is not
Speaker 1: the bad guy and Hank was the bad guy in
Speaker 1: season one, he's I guess ostensibly kind of the bad
Speaker 1: guy in this episode, although it's unclear if he understands
Speaker 1: about the Enclave, and when we see the flashbacks, he's
Speaker 1: nothing more than a mine or mine or minor peace
Speaker 1: in the overall conspirait. He's the guy who was like
Speaker 1: tricked or cajoled or somehow forced to put the cold
Speaker 1: fusion diode in his head and smuggle it to Vegas,
Speaker 1: if he even knew that's what he was doing. So
Speaker 1: it's it's I guess what we're lacking is a kind
Speaker 1: of unifying antagonist. And yes, I am eager to find
Speaker 1: out exactly who that is, because now it seemed that
Speaker 1: we've got another protagonist entering the Fray, and that is
Speaker 1: Ron Perlman. Are super mutant? Mm hmm, what does that mean?
Speaker 1: Is that going to be super mutants and ghouls and
Speaker 1: are ragtag human heroes teaming up to do what free
Speaker 1: the wasteland? I guess I'm eager to see which way
Speaker 1: that goes. But it is again, you've kind of just
Speaker 1: got to embrace and accept how tangled this show is.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, is this reminding you at all
Speaker 2: of like and obviously totally different shows and totally different
Speaker 2: storytelling vibes. But there has been a lot of comparisons
Speaker 2: for season two of this of like almost trying to
Speaker 2: expand out in the way Game of Thrones did in
Speaker 2: season two, but people didn't necessarily feel like the groundwork
Speaker 2: was put in in season one a fallout the way
Speaker 2: it was in Game of Throne season one, where you
Speaker 2: can really understand the kingdoms and the landscapes and who
Speaker 2: lives in each one. We still don't have a great
Speaker 2: vision of all the different factions and how their lives interact,
Speaker 2: aside from them being like an obstacle right for like
Speaker 2: the Ghoul and Lucy. So I think, like, I agree
Speaker 2: with you, I'm interested to see how they can tie
Speaker 2: these together, but I trust them. I think the show's
Speaker 2: really interesting. And also, oh yeah, this is a really
Speaker 2: great show. And if this is all setting up like
Speaker 2: a Super six season three that's totally different and all
Speaker 2: about this crazy mute and enclave war, I'm into that too.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'd love to for these last three episodes
Speaker 2: to really have some like propulsive momentum and stay maybe
Speaker 2: in the present more well.
Speaker 1: I will say that this is very much like my
Speaker 1: experience playing the game, which is you'll be on this
Speaker 1: main quest line or a faction quest line where you're
Speaker 1: you know, unwrapping the machinations of the Enclave or the
Speaker 1: Brotherhood or you know whoever, and then you know, or
Speaker 1: taking on the Institute or engaging with the Railroad, whatever
Speaker 1: the case may be. And then I'll just go on
Speaker 1: a two three four day we meandering of like growing
Speaker 1: mutt fruit and like going here and there collecting scrap,
Speaker 1: going on random side quests killing raiders, and then when
Speaker 1: I come back to the quest line that I was doing,
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, what the fuck was I doing? That
Speaker 1: is a lot like that is a lot like the
Speaker 1: experience of this show.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I have to say, that's a really good representation
Speaker 2: of playing a Triple A game in general, because like
Speaker 2: I was gonna obviously bring up my famous you know,
Speaker 2: Breath of the Wild, still the probably the only person
Speaker 2: who actively plays like hours of it every week and
Speaker 2: has never finished it, But like the other one I
Speaker 2: think about a lot like that is like, obviously we
Speaker 2: talk about this a lot. We're huge fans of the
Speaker 2: old Arkham games, the Batman games, but that would definitely
Speaker 2: I'd be like they'd be like, oh no, Rosie the
Speaker 2: Riddler's calling people and then having dead shots snipe them.
Speaker 2: So I'd go on for three days just going to
Speaker 2: every like phone move, and then I'd get back and
Speaker 2: they'd be like, quickly, you're gonna get the penguin from
Speaker 2: the Natchoy stream music, and I'd be.
Speaker 1: Like, where the fuck is that?
Speaker 2: Like, I'm not by I was handing down the Red
Speaker 2: Law Like, so, yeah, I agree, it feels kind of
Speaker 2: like that. So they're adapting the feeling of playing the game,
Speaker 2: which is nice.
Speaker 1: And join us tomorrow as we dive back into a
Speaker 1: Night of the Seven Kingdoms, episode one of the series
Speaker 1: for our Ravens Report, which we dive deeper into the
Speaker 1: world of Westros and the world of Duncan Egg. And
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