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Speaker 1: Warning. Today's episode contains spoilers for Fallout episode six. The

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Speaker 1: word Hello, nam is Jason Stephne and I'm Mersey Night

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Speaker 1: and welcome back to ext Revision, the podcast where we

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Speaker 1: dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comments, and pop culture.

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Speaker 1: Coming to you from My Heart Podcast. We're reading you

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Speaker 1: three episodes a week. Last news.

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Speaker 2: Today, instead we're talking about a fallout. Can you believe it?

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Speaker 2: It's going to be Fallout. We get some coupe action,

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Speaker 2: some Bob action, and me and Jason are going to

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Speaker 2: be breaking it all down for you.

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Speaker 1: First the recap, episode six, Season two Fallout. We open

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Speaker 1: in the past at a Voltech meeting where Barb is

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Speaker 1: watching a optimistic hypothetical presentation about the effects of a

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Speaker 1: potential nuclear strike on Los Angeles and the mainland of

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Speaker 1: the United States. Headline, it's not that big a deal.

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Speaker 1: You'd shrug it off, you know, hide under a door.

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Speaker 1: That's what they always used to tell us when we

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Speaker 1: were kids. You like put a door like you wouldn't

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Speaker 1: necessarily gonna help. You know, it's not a big deal.

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Speaker 1: We're Vault Tech. You're gonna be in the vault. Everything's

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Speaker 1: good right down there now, worry about it. The vault

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Speaker 1: Tech c suite has flagged one issue with the Vaultech hardware,

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Speaker 1: and that is the water chips, the water filtration chips

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Speaker 1: of which overseer Betty has been having such a hard

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Speaker 1: time with. They have a thirty percent fail rate. But

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Speaker 1: good news, they already know which chips are gonna fail,

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Speaker 1: soh which leads me, why don't they just get rid

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Speaker 1: of the ones that we're going to fail and then

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Speaker 1: make more and then imagine whatever. They already know which

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Speaker 1: chips are going to fail, so they can actually decide

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Speaker 1: for the future which vault will in the future run

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Speaker 1: out of water. Meanwhile, corporations are terrible. It's crazy terrible. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: because of more good news, because of Vautech's high tech

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Speaker 1: and highly advanced alert system, the company is actually going

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Speaker 1: to be able to get their highest paying customers into

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Speaker 1: the vault more efficiently and more quickly. So don't worry,

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Speaker 1: guys about the nuclear holocausts. It's actually gonna be fine.

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Speaker 2: You'll be okay, and your Amazon Prime will get you

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Speaker 2: in that quicker than anyone else. But don't worry. It's

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Speaker 2: just before you get in you're gonna find out some more,

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Speaker 2: a little bit more fake Bob House time. We're getting

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Speaker 2: some more Bob House time, but it's fake Bob House time.

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Speaker 2: Hank is in there sitting notes, and we see fake

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Speaker 2: Bob presenting the Automated Man product aka as we know

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Speaker 2: it will be the rob Co Mind Control Chip. Bob

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Speaker 2: is basically like, hey, cold fusion, ColdFusion. You gotta give

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Speaker 2: me the ColdFusion. I need it so I can get

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Speaker 2: it's gonna go find Meanwhile, Bob mission going bad, and

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Speaker 2: then the past boom. We're out of it for now,

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Speaker 2: but we're gonna go back and learn some big stuff

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Speaker 2: in the present. Well, the gul is still stuck on

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Speaker 2: that pole. Remember that I loved that opening. He's still there.

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Speaker 2: He's rotting, the guts are coming out, giant flagpoles sticking

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Speaker 2: out of his guts. And of course the new Vegas

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Speaker 2: citizens just could not care less. They don't give a shit.

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Speaker 2: Who's this guy? Dog Meat shows up because that's Man's

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Speaker 2: it doesn't matter? So Google basically like, hey, dog Meat

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Speaker 2: ever wanted to be like a drug dealer, Can you

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Speaker 2: get me these medicine vials over there? And then I

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Speaker 1: I will. I'm disappointed in dog Meat this season. There's

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Speaker 2: And that's how it would be in the game. Right

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Speaker 1: Game, dog meat has been I'm not the dog meat

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Speaker 1: is not your best companion, but dog meat is there

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Speaker 1: for you. Dog Meat will carry extra junk and gear

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Speaker 1: if you need dog meat to do that. Dog Meat

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Speaker 1: will attack. Dog Meat will help you. Dog Meat in

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Speaker 1: the in the in the show, not not doing very

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Speaker 1: much and it's upsetting to me. We go back to Vegas,

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Speaker 2: Fun hotel conversation, pillow talk.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Meanwhile, Lucy wakes up all healed up in a

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Speaker 1: He's preparing a meal for her. He's like, hey, remember

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Speaker 1: And she's like, oh, well, I am. You know, I

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Speaker 1: like life in a vault where life has meaning.

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Speaker 2: Oh, life has meaning in the vault. Lucy's like absolutely

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Speaker 2: fucking not. And just like Jabs, a pair of sys

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Speaker 2: to understand, like I did it for you. I love you.

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Speaker 2: You're my special little girl. And and by the way,

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Speaker 2: I'm making the world a better place. No one will

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Speaker 2: be fighting each other anymore. Everyone's gonna get along, Like please,

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Speaker 2: then we slam over to area fifty one, where we

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Speaker 2: can do it. This is great and Max is like.

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Speaker 1: No, I want to save the world.

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Speaker 2: and thats is like, well, wouldn't you also be a

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Speaker 2: He thinks good people are really people with the means

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Speaker 2: it's really interesting Max. Of course, he disagrees, and he

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Speaker 2: recalls his time in Shady Sands, where there was a

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Speaker 2: I love that it's such a good, well written interaction

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Speaker 2: because they're both right. It's so good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they are on some level both right. Max is

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Speaker 1: He is thinking of his daughter, He's thinking of her

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Speaker 1: somewhere alive in a cryotube. And he gin's up enough

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Speaker 1: and it's very clearly a super mutant of some kind.

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Speaker 1: The supermutans finally arrive in the game. Back in thirty three,

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Speaker 1: Regges in Bread support group parties are like have reached

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Speaker 1: full roaring twenties type fervor where it's like, fuck everything,

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Speaker 1: You don't get the culture of thirty three, and Betty

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Speaker 2: I was trying to work out, do you think in

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Speaker 2: what Betty's thinking because she's making some bad decision.

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Speaker 1: She's a fucking she's soft, she's a freezers.

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Speaker 2: Jason said, she saw be tough on crime.

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Speaker 1: Bitch.

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Speaker 2: Come on, Betty, you're the overseer that's a tough on

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Speaker 2: crime type of name. Meanwhile, in thirty two. Oh, poor Chet.

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Speaker 2: When will Check get some justice for Chet? That's what

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Speaker 2: I want to know. Chet learns that Woody has gone

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Speaker 1: could potentially be a emissary of the Onclay. But I

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00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: don't know who do you think Ben Linus represents.

430
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I think you're asking an interesting question.

431
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 2: I'm also thinking, I think you're right, we've not seen

432
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 2: any Enclave. But if I'm not mistaken, I think that

433
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 2: the doctor in the early series, Siggy Wilzig, you know,

434
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 2: he had the glasses. We saw him. He was dog

435
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 2: Meet's original owner. I think he had formerly like worked

436
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 2: alongside the Enclave. So we just like we've heard Inklings,

437
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 2: but we haven't seen them, and I'm like, I feel

438
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 2: like with this mention of them, now, I feel like

439
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 2: it makes sense that ben Linus from Lost is definitely

440
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,199
Speaker 2: representing the Enclave. I think that they to bring it up.

441
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 2: I don't think they would set it up completely without

442
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 2: them showing up in this season, but I'm assuming they

443
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 2: will be the main villain for Fallout season three, which

444
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 2: I think is also interesting because obviously this game, like

445
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 2: this show heavily taken from like fall Out four, and

446
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 2: we know now as canon is really takes from all

447
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 2: the games. Yeah, but it was interesting because the Enclave

448
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,199
Speaker 2: not really in fall that four, but in you know,

449
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 2: come back in fall Out seventy six, and so it's

450
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 2: gonna be interesting to see how they build them in.

451
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: I mean, do I.

452
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 2: Want to watch third season of Fallout that's about an

453
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 2: evil white supremacist like fascist American like proto government. Yes,

454
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 2: you're already ahead of the game, man, we know you're right.

455
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm I'm very intrigued to see where this goes?

456
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: Now here?

457
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 2: Any Yeah, tell me more, Tell me more.

458
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: Now Here is the wiki from the Enclave page regarding

459
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: the Enclave plotline from Fallout two, which is I didn't

460
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: get on the series until Fallout three, So let me

461
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: read a couple of snippets from this one. The Enclave

462
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: came to consider themselves the last remaining fashion of pure

463
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: mutation free humanity on Earth. Sharing the planet with existing

464
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: wastelanders was deemed untenable, and the rhetoric was used to

465
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 1: justify the immediate extermination of all mutants. Blah blah blah

466
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah quote. The Enclaves members would be

467
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: the first generation free of mutant threat in over one

468
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: hundred years. Continuing in twenty two thirty five, the Enclave

469
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: began its Experimenttion on Experimentation on Death Clause with the

470
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: aim of creating cheap shock troops for waging war in

471
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 1: hostile environments. So this leads me to believe that, yes,

472
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: I do think now that there have been the Death

473
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 1: Claw in Alaska that Coop came into contact with, and

474
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: potentially this super mutant who's saying, you know, they're wiping

475
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: us out. I think this is all the outlines of

476
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: an ongoing enclave conspiracy that stretched to at least the

477
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: war years, not the pre war years, but the war

478
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: with China years. So and it certainly seems like the

479
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: death Claus that are roaming the strip and protecting Voltec

480
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: are in some way wrapped up with Enclave activities. The

481
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: question is like who's running the enclave, Like who is

482
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: the face of the enclave. We don't know that yet,

483
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: but I now reading this, I do think that this

484
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: is where they're going. The Enclave perhaps is actually the

485
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: true force behind the apocalypse that decimated the globe and

486
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: has led to the the post apocalyptic environment that we

487
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: now see. Interesting, I don't but who is running the

488
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: enclave that outlive that's the question.

489
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 2: And is it one person? Is it someone Is it

490
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 2: going to be someone that we've met before, is it

491
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 2: going to be someone from pre established flashback government. I'm

492
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 2: very excited. I feel like they're doing a good job

493
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: keeping big costing secrets like with Rompalman. I'm very interesting.

494
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: I'm just very interested to see how it goes.

495
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: The Barberville So it's a little unclear to me what

496
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: Barb's overall planet is, but I think it's clearly just

497
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: to her feeling. Is the war's coming regardless, right, mm hmm.

498
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: This is how I can get my family into the

499
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: vault to make sure they.

500
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 2: Ride out the war.

501
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: How do you read her, her intentions and her motivations.

502
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 2: I think that she is a mother. I think she's

503
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 2: a complicated person. I think she's a realist. I think

504
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,959
Speaker 2: she is working on the fly. And what I'm really

505
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 2: excited to see right now, and what I think is

506
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 2: going to be a big twist, is that I think

507
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 2: that we're going to see that her and Coop from

508
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 2: this point onwards, are we're actually working together to try

509
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 2: and stop this doing some kind of version on the fly.

510
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 2: And what he's really searching for her for is because

511
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 2: they were back in love, they were back on the

512
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 2: same team, and it is not this vengeance mission. It's

513
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 2: not because of this reason that he's found out afterwards

514
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 2: that she said this thing. And I'm very excited to

515
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 2: see where that goes. I think Goggins and Turner so

516
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 2: good together. They have great chemistry that when they argue,

517
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 2: they look like a real married couple. They have like

518
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 2: a shortthand that you believe so to me, I want

519
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 2: to see where that goes. And I want to see

520
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 2: if they're going to give Bob like a true redemptive arc,

521
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 2: like oh, she was always against it, or if they're

522
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 2: going to allow her to sit in that more complicated

523
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 2: space of being someone who's just doing anything they can

524
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 2: to save their child, which we get that great moment

525
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 2: in the hotel here where Coop says that to her

526
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: and he's like, so you just like kill all these

527
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 2: other people's kids, like and other moms like you, And

528
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 2: she's like, yeah, like wouldn't you if it meant our

529
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 2: kid would survive. There's just like an honesty there that

530
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 2: I think is really interesting. So I'm very I'm excited

531
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 2: to see where that goes. But obviously I think we'll

532
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 2: probably be like a secondary plot line to our major

533
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 2: war that they're going to be establishing.

534
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated to see where the end of the Lucy

535
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: Hank arc from this episode leaves them, because Lucy, I think,

536
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: very begrudgingly brainwashes these two guys. It remains to be

537
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: seen whether this brainwashing is reversible unclear, Yeah, but she

538
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: very begrudgingly does it because these two guys were going

539
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: to kill each other and potentially massacre the whole room.

540
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: But what does this mean for Lucy and Hank. It's

541
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: very clear that Hank, I think, very connivingly, was like Lucy, Lucy, Lucy,

542
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: I love you whatever you want. If you want barbarity

543
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: and violence to rain in the wasteland and you know,

544
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: the primal urges of the human animal to be raised

545
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: up to the primary position once again, like I am

546
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: happy to do that. You are my daughter, and I

547
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: love you so much, and I'm here to take accountability

548
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: for all my actions. And that's what it means that

549
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: that barbaria reigns. Then that's fine. But look at how

550
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: great things are here. Everybody's working together, nobody's putting a

551
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: nice pick in each other's brains. We have murderers doing,

552
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: you know, creating mind control chips. It's it's really one.

553
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: And so when Lucy presses the button, I see it

554
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: as like a moment of desperation to stop violence in

555
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: this moment. But could it is it possible that she

556
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: when we come back next episode, that she's somehow come

557
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: over to her side in some way.

558
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 2: I don't think so, but I do think she's gonna

559
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 2: want to believe in him doing something for good because

560
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 2: that is what she like knows. But she also knows

561
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 2: about you know, shady Sands and all the awful things

562
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 2: that he did. I wouldn't be surprised if unforgivable genocide,

563
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 2: all like horrific stuff, and also just all the lies,

564
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 2: like everything you told her was a lie. You can't

565
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 2: trust him, but she wants to still love him. I

566
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 2: think what we're actually going to be more likely to

567
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 2: see is I would guess that the next episode he's

568
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 2: gonna try and convince her and she may kind of

569
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 2: play into it. Then I think we might see him

570
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: try to fit her with one of the mind control

571
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 2: because he wants her to do his good daughter again.

572
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 2: I think the goolder will come back and save Lucy

573
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 2: and we will get that reunion, probably with Matt. But

574
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: I think there's probably some kind of implication of him

575
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: wanting her to do whatever he wants and being like

576
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 2: his Oki dokie good time girl or whatever. So I'm

577
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 2: interested to see if they go that way, but I don't.

578
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 2: I think even if she's tempted, she knows the true,

579
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 2: the truth about Hank, and honestly, it may be that

580
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 2: she goes oh my God, this is amazing. It works.

581
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 2: Maybe you're right, and then one of their heads explodes immediately.

582
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: You know, we've seen how dangerous this technology is.

583
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: It's it's very, very dangerous. And I'm a little bit

584
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: unclear on exactly how he perfected it other than just

585
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: like finding the most demented drug addicted guy wandering the

586
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: wasteland who could take like the the full brunt of

587
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: the mind control chip that allowed him and I guess

588
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: that allowed him to like perfect it. Whatever. Here's another question,

589
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: is Bob House actually it is Bob House actually behind

590
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,439
Speaker 1: anything We ride this season and st the first few

591
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: episodes up until this one, thinking and being presented a

592
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 1: story that seemed to place Bob House at the center

593
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: of this kind of a large scale corporate conspiracy that

594
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: eventually led to nuclear war and is potentially still moving

595
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: events in ways that we don't quite understand it now.

596
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: But it now seems as if with the appearance of

597
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: ben Lyinis and the way Bob and the way we

598
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: left Bob in the in the episode before this one,

599
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: where he puts like the calender on his head and

600
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: certainly seems like it's he's potentially not in control of

601
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: like his full faculties that Bob House is maybe just

602
00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: a distraction your thoughts because the reveal that there's actually

603
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: a much more secretive force. Although I that Bob, although

604
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: Bob also sensed it. Bob was also like, whoever did

605
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: the death cloth thing, like that's that's another player on

606
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: the board. But then in that same speech he also says, basically,

607
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 1: I've now been wondering whether I am the chess player

608
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 1: or just a chess piece, And I'm wondering the same

609
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: thing if Bob House was actually just a very convoluted distraction,

610
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 1: and there's gonna be some other big bad possibly the Enclave,

611
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: as we've said, behind all this.

612
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 2: I think that you're onto something now because also something

613
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 2: that I think is really interesting is they don't even

614
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 2: have to pull like the rug from underneath us or anything.

615
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 2: Everything we know about Bob House can still be true.

616
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 2: He can set up everything in Vegas New Vegas. He

617
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 2: can do his little thing, and that makes him seem

618
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 2: comparatively extremely powerful, but really he's just a guy who

619
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 2: took advantage of a power vacuum and has his own city,

620
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 2: which in the world of Fallout is impressive but doesn't

621
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 2: necessarily mean that he is the machination puppet master behind everything,

622
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 2: and I kind of love the idea, especially because they

623
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 2: had so much fun with that, justin throwcasting and playing

624
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: with these ideas of doubles and duality. Maybe we'll find

625
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 2: out that house was specifically created or is there to

626
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 2: be the distraction for this and maybe rob Co was

627
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 2: always connected to that. I'm excited to see how the

628
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 2: conspiracy plays out. I really think this is one of

629
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 2: the rare shows where they don't even pitch it to

630
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 2: you as a mystery box which is the best kind

631
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 2: of mystery box show. But as we get further into it,

632
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh no, there are like extreme amounts of

633
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: layers to this, and you can go back and peel

634
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 2: them and unpeel them and take different things from every episode.

635
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 2: It's a real fun to have something like this to

636
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 2: dig into again.

637
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: It is really fun. I do worry that it's a

638
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: little over I mean, it's extremely convoluted, but that's so

639
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: the game is actually very convoluted as well.

640
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: Streamlining last three episodes, what's your pitch? Like, just episode

641
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 2: about each different, like tell me where you think they

642
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 2: can get back to that streamlined punch of the first season.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't actually know. I just think that

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Speaker 1: if the Enclave is kind of going to be the

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Speaker 1: big reveal at the end of this, you could have

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Speaker 1: had them be more present earlier on. But again it's unclear.

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Speaker 1: Like I will say, here's the thing that I think

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Speaker 1: in some ways is kind of muddying the waters one.

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Speaker 1: We're not sure what our heroes are necessarily fighting for.

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Speaker 1: I think they've done actually a good job with Max,

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Speaker 1: which is he's just fighting for a better world like

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Speaker 1: he would like to see, you know, basically, like let's

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Speaker 1: rebuild Shady Sands but make it the whole country. Is

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Speaker 1: kind of like Max's thing, like can we not like

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Speaker 1: redo a Shady Sands type project. Lucy is fighting for

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Speaker 1: some kind of justice and accountability within the wasteland. It's

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Speaker 1: it's clear that that keeps eluding her grasp, and it's

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Speaker 1: unclear if that will ever come back. And the ghoul

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Speaker 1: just wants his wife and daughter back. Okay, how do

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Speaker 1: all of those things fit together and against that is

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Speaker 1: the question I have Because if Bob House is not

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Speaker 1: the bad guy and Hank was the bad guy in

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Speaker 1: season one, he's I guess ostensibly kind of the bad

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Speaker 1: guy in this episode, although it's unclear if he understands

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Speaker 1: about the Enclave, and when we see the flashbacks, he's

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Speaker 1: nothing more than a mine or mine or minor peace

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Speaker 1: in the overall conspirait. He's the guy who was like

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Speaker 1: tricked or cajoled or somehow forced to put the cold

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Speaker 1: fusion diode in his head and smuggle it to Vegas,

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Speaker 1: if he even knew that's what he was doing. So

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Speaker 1: it's it's I guess what we're lacking is a kind

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Speaker 1: of unifying antagonist. And yes, I am eager to find

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Speaker 1: out exactly who that is, because now it seemed that

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Speaker 1: we've got another protagonist entering the Fray, and that is

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Speaker 1: Ron Perlman. Are super mutant? Mm hmm, what does that mean?

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Speaker 1: Is that going to be super mutants and ghouls and

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Speaker 1: are ragtag human heroes teaming up to do what free

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Speaker 1: the wasteland? I guess I'm eager to see which way

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Speaker 1: that goes. But it is again, you've kind of just

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Speaker 1: got to embrace and accept how tangled this show is.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, is this reminding you at all

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Speaker 2: of like and obviously totally different shows and totally different

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Speaker 2: storytelling vibes. But there has been a lot of comparisons

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Speaker 2: for season two of this of like almost trying to

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Speaker 2: expand out in the way Game of Thrones did in

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Speaker 2: season two, but people didn't necessarily feel like the groundwork

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Speaker 2: was put in in season one a fallout the way

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Speaker 2: it was in Game of Throne season one, where you

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Speaker 2: can really understand the kingdoms and the landscapes and who

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Speaker 2: lives in each one. We still don't have a great

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Speaker 2: vision of all the different factions and how their lives interact,

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Speaker 2: aside from them being like an obstacle right for like

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Speaker 2: the Ghoul and Lucy. So I think, like, I agree

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Speaker 2: with you, I'm interested to see how they can tie

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Speaker 2: these together, but I trust them. I think the show's

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Speaker 2: really interesting. And also, oh yeah, this is a really

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Speaker 2: great show. And if this is all setting up like

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Speaker 2: a Super six season three that's totally different and all

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Speaker 2: about this crazy mute and enclave war, I'm into that too.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I'd love to for these last three episodes

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Speaker 2: to really have some like propulsive momentum and stay maybe

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Speaker 2: in the present more well.

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Speaker 1: I will say that this is very much like my

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Speaker 1: experience playing the game, which is you'll be on this

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Speaker 1: main quest line or a faction quest line where you're

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Speaker 1: you know, unwrapping the machinations of the Enclave or the

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Speaker 1: Brotherhood or you know whoever, and then you know, or

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Speaker 1: taking on the Institute or engaging with the Railroad, whatever

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Speaker 1: the case may be. And then I'll just go on

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Speaker 1: a two three four day we meandering of like growing

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Speaker 1: mutt fruit and like going here and there collecting scrap,

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Speaker 1: going on random side quests killing raiders, and then when

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Speaker 1: I come back to the quest line that I was doing,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, what the fuck was I doing? That

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Speaker 1: is a lot like that is a lot like the

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Speaker 1: experience of this show.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I have to say, that's a really good representation

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Speaker 2: of playing a Triple A game in general, because like

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Speaker 2: I was gonna obviously bring up my famous you know,

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Speaker 2: Breath of the Wild, still the probably the only person

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Speaker 2: who actively plays like hours of it every week and

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Speaker 2: has never finished it, But like the other one I

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Speaker 2: think about a lot like that is like, obviously we

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Speaker 2: talk about this a lot. We're huge fans of the

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Speaker 2: old Arkham games, the Batman games, but that would definitely

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Speaker 2: I'd be like they'd be like, oh no, Rosie the

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Speaker 2: Riddler's calling people and then having dead shots snipe them.

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Speaker 2: So I'd go on for three days just going to

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Speaker 2: every like phone move, and then I'd get back and

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Speaker 2: they'd be like, quickly, you're gonna get the penguin from

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Speaker 2: the Natchoy stream music, and I'd be.

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Speaker 1: Like, where the fuck is that?

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Speaker 2: Like, I'm not by I was handing down the Red

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Speaker 2: Law Like, so, yeah, I agree, it feels kind of

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Speaker 2: like that. So they're adapting the feeling of playing the game,

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Speaker 2: which is nice.

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Speaker 1: And join us tomorrow as we dive back into a

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Speaker 1: Night of the Seven Kingdoms, episode one of the series

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Speaker 1: for our Ravens Report, which we dive deeper into the

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Speaker 1: world of Westros and the world of Duncan Egg. And

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Speaker 1: that's it for this episode. Thanks for listening to The

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Speaker 1: x Ray Vision is hosted by Jason steps Young and

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Speaker 1: Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is Abu Safar.

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Speaker 2: Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Fay Wax.

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Speaker 1: Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kaufman

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