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Speaker 2: It is nice to be back here on two pros

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I missed y'all. I will say I missed y'all.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of things I didn't miss, I will

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Speaker 2: So you know, just uh, getting getting reacclimated to this

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Speaker 2: running and we've got preseason football and and full display

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Speaker 2: Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson last night, I.

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Speaker 4: Just say, just say it. After the after that touchdowns, drive.

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Speaker 3: Their back, slice the Bears, slicing and dicing the Buffalo Bills.

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Speaker 3: Last night was.

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Speaker 5: Hope right now Chicago for some of these sports teams,

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Speaker 5: Oh gosh, the Bears, the Cubs, no, no, no, not even

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, why would you not say no, no, no.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's it's early on. Yeah, it's early Like. I

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Speaker 3: don't know that you go any direction with it. I

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Speaker 3: don't here's the thing. I don't know that you go

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Speaker 3: I think preseason has taken on such a different look

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Speaker 4: I just don't what do you like?

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Speaker 3: What do you really take away from preseason games other

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Speaker 4: I don't. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: You see the rookies perform.

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Speaker 5: On a game stage at you know, higher pace, faster speed,

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Speaker 5: right Like some of the things you saw about you know,

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Speaker 5: Then you watch them come out in a game. It

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Speaker 5: looks efficient, looks snappy. He's on point, he's playing from

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Speaker 5: the pocket, he's playing quarterback, not trying to do too much,

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Speaker 5: I mean both him and Tyson bagent were phenomenal. So again,

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Speaker 5: that's the other thing you look for. It's like, what's

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Speaker 5: looked like if you're a Bears fan or a Caleb

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Speaker 3: Like, what are we supposed to get excited about nothing

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Speaker 3: You get excited about getting an opportunity to see the

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Speaker 3: But is it even fair to But is it fair

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Speaker 3: Like I feel like there's a couple, you know, exceptions,

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Speaker 5: We tend to over exaggerate, speaking hyperbole about whatever takes place,

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Speaker 4: The regular season. I'm with you on all that. But

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Speaker 5: So you know, get into it, Lean into it like

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Speaker 4: To change, most likely possibly.

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Speaker 3: Forget riverside, It's take a lot from here on out,

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Speaker 3: Take a lap.

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Speaker 3: There have been some positives though, there have been some positives.

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Speaker 3: Are you seeing some of these kickers? Some remember major

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Speaker 4: I want to meet that guy. The balls are juiced?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the guy who writes that stuff just blows my mind.

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Speaker 4: There's a relativity there. You got activity behind that stuff.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you just gave another description right there. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: They don't put down a TEFL that's never it's about

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Speaker 4: In the center of the field.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I've seen some pretty cool kickers, you know,

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Speaker 3: It really does bigger than these like the balls are flying.

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Speaker 3: Congratulations to everybody involved. They have somehow, some way kept there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and why would they make any progress? Why would

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Speaker 5: because you kind of threw on another year on the

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00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 5: deal to help make me happy, but we knew there

439
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 5: wanted to be something more long term. And the Bengals

440
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 5: are obviously looking at his age. They're looking at the

441
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 5: fact that even with the production he had in sacks

442
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 5: and pressures, it still didn't equate to their defense being

443
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 5: able to hold their own. And they've got a new

444
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 5: defensive coordinator they've moved on from lou and Romo, so

445
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 5: there's probably a thought in their mind of, yeah, that

446
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 5: was unbelievable, really appreciative of what you did, but you're

447
00:23:55,440 --> 00:24:00,400
Speaker 5: under contract and even with all your production, it didn't

448
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 5: change anything for the bottom line of our team. We

449
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 5: feel like the best thing for our team is to

450
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 5: provide Joe Burrow with all these targets around him and

451
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 5: allow us to win games in a shootout. I mean

452
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 5: that's I mean, I go back to even just Al Golden,

453
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 5: the defensive coording that they brought in from Notre Dame.

454
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 5: It's so much more of a blitz heavy scheme. And

455
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 5: don't misconstrue it. Like talents talent. You want to have

456
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 5: your best players out there if you can, but if

457
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 5: you don't, you know, you can scheme some things up

458
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 5: to overload protections, to put a bunch of dbs on

459
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 5: the field, and confuse the offensive line and infuse the

460
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Speaker 5: quarterback and find ways of getting free runners.

461
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Speaker 3: You can do that.

462
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 4: He does that.

463
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Speaker 5: He did that a lot of Notre Dame where they'd

464
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 5: be coming from all over the field. So there might

465
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 5: be a thought to it as well that they got

466
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Speaker 5: to change a lot of things up on defense because

467
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 5: of what was there wasn't working.

468
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Speaker 7: Now.

469
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Speaker 5: It may have worked for Trey Hendrickson for his production,

470
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 5: but not for the team and their success. I think

471
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 5: that's the hardest thing about this conversation is as a players,

472
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 5: you're sitting there saying, go look at the tape. I've

473
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 5: done everything I can do in order to earn this contract,

474
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 5: and you're gonna hold against me because what my age?

475
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 4: What else is there? What else is there?

476
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Speaker 3: He may have hit his ceiling with Cincinnati because he's

477
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 3: not theirs. They brought him in. He's not one of

478
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 3: their draft picks. So not only are you older, but

479
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 3: you're not even really one of us. Like you've been productive,

480
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 3: and I get it, but if you were one of us,

481
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 3: I mean, is it playing out this way? You know

482
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 3: who knows at your age? It's like, if we can

483
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 3: use you, we will, and we value you at the

484
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 3: contract we've given you. But to come back and give

485
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 3: you a contract that's as large and as rich as

486
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Speaker 3: the ones that you're seeing out there that you're comparing

487
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 3: yourself to, it's not worth the squeeze. And I think

488
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 3: that that's where we're getting to. I didn't think that

489
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 3: that was where it would belong. I did not believe

490
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 3: that this is where it would get to. And again,

491
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Speaker 3: I'm I'm gonna keep putting them in the same box,

492
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 3: even though Michael Parsons is a top draft pick for.

493
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 4: The cow Boys.

494
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 3: But I just feel as though where we're at now,

495
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 3: for them to have drug it out this far and

496
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 3: be this close to the regular season, they might really

497
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 3: be standing on the fact that you gotta play this

498
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 3: contract year. You're under contract and you're gonna play.

499
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Speaker 2: The reputation of the organizations sticks with me because I

500
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 2: look at Micah's situation, I go, well, they're gonna get

501
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 2: it done, like this is just just what they do.

502
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 2: And with the Bengals, I'm like, yeah, probably not.

503
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 3: Gonna get it done. That's just what they do.

504
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Speaker 4: Well, we talked about it last year.

505
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Speaker 5: I think there's a lot of Cincinnati Bengals fans and

506
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 5: people there who got offended. They get upset when you

507
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 5: tell them what the truth is. It's not an organization

508
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 5: that spends a lot of cash. They're just not You're

509
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 5: in the bottom half of the league this year, You're

510
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 5: in the bottom half of the league next year. Like

511
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, that's just that's how the organization is run.

512
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 5: And it's been able to have moments of success to

513
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 5: spite all of that. You made a super Bowl despite

514
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 5: all of that. And you'll hear people who come on

515
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 5: here and they come on usually on Tuesdays, and they'll

516
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 5: defend a lot of people in the front office because

517
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 5: they're nice to them in the media. But the truth

518
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 5: of the matter is they are a cheap organization. I

519
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 5: got boys who played for them. They'll be the first

520
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 5: to tell you. They'd be the first to tell you. Now,

521
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 5: that doesn't mean that there's not good parts of it

522
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 5: or the people there are great.

523
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 4: They don't spend.

524
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 5: So yeah, you know, to the point of when you

525
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 5: compare Cleveland, for example, to Cincinnati, and obviously two teams

526
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 5: are completely different positions. The one thing you can give

527
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 5: Jimmy has them credit for it's not for lack of trying.

528
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 5: He's trying. And if you look at for example, I'm

529
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 5: gonna go off on a tangent, but hang with me.

530
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 5: You know, I lived in South Florida and I watched

531
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 5: the Florida Panthers for a number of years before they've

532
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 5: gone on this recent run where obviously they've won what

533
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 5: now back to back Stanley Cup champions they've gone to

534
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 5: three in a row, whatever it's been. You know, Vini

535
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 5: Viola of their owner, when he took over, he dumped

536
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 5: money into that organization still to this day. I mean,

537
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 5: it takes a lot of success in pro sports to

538
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 5: make especially in certain sports, to make the teams profitable.

539
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 4: It really does.

540
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 5: It takes a lot of money and I'd say a

541
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 5: lot of luck and being able to win some games.

542
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 5: You get to the point where, like you get everyone's

543
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 5: showing up every single night during the course of the

544
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 5: regular season, and then once you get in the playoffs,

545
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 5: because look, you know, if you make the playoffs, people

546
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 5: are gonna show up. It's about being good enough where

547
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 5: people know what they can expect during the course of

548
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 5: the regular season night and night out. So when they

549
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 5: do have a few extra bucks and they buy a

550
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 5: ticket or they do, you know, get off work to say, hey,

551
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 5: I want to go see a hockey game, and I

552
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 5: want to see my team get blasted, are blown. I

553
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 5: want to see a good competitive, fun environment all those things.

554
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 5: So look, they've created an incredible culture and all that stuff,

555
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 5: but they threw a ton of money at it too,

556
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 5: and that's where it kind of you look at Jimmy

557
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 5: Housen for example.

558
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 4: Hes want the Browns. I mean, they're gonna build a

559
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 4: new stadium.

560
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 5: They're trying to, you know, bring in guys who at

561
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 5: least they thought he was their franchise quarterback.

562
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 4: Obviously not.

563
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 5: They're paying the face of their franchise right now. Miles

564
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 5: Garrett as they should, but like it's not for lack

565
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 5: of trying. It just you know, hasn't really all come

566
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 5: together quite yet for them, and they're still looking for

567
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 5: that one piece of quarterback, which we'll get to, but

568
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 5: for since now you have that guy, Like if there

569
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 5: was ever a time where you're trying to load up

570
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 5: and say this is the window, man, Like, this is

571
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 5: the window.

572
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 4: We've got the guy. Let's load up. Let's keep bringing

573
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 4: these guys back. It's now.

574
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 5: And again we don't know the specifics of the negotiation,

575
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 5: but you're twenty first in the league in total cash

576
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 5: spent this year. You want to know how you be

577
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 5: able to make it work within the cap. You give

578
00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 5: them cash, big signing bonus. Every player loves that. Do

579
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 5: you love that when you get your signing both it

580
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 5: hits your account, You're like, hell, yeah, but let's go now.

581
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 5: Yeah and by the way, next year, twenty second in

582
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 5: the league, Scott Shapiro in cash damn yeah. Yeah, even

583
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 5: in radio. Yeah, but you get my points, like, like,

584
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 5: I hate how Cincinnati fans get upset by this.

585
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't.

586
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,479
Speaker 4: It's because it's a pride thing, man.

587
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 5: I mean, you have to understand, Like, you know, people

588
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 5: in certain parts of the country are very prideful about

589
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 5: where they're from, and as they should be, you know,

590
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 5: I mean in all seriousness. I mean one of the

591
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 5: things I've noticed the most when when you work for

592
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 5: Covenants based in la and when you've lived for a

593
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 5: significant period of time on the East Coast, you realize

594
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 5: there's a lot of people in the middle of the country.

595
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 5: It feels like they're overlooked and and and this is

596
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 5: an example of that. And sometimes how it shows showcase

597
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 5: itself is through their fandom and sports teams, because that

598
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 5: sports team represents them, It represents where they're from.

599
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 3: That's what it's always been supposed to be, represent where

600
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 3: you're from. Like all this decentralizing of fans, but I

601
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 3: will say this, Midwest fan bases are generally super and

602
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 3: especially Ohio and Pittsburgh, those type areas Philadelphia, their fans

603
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 3: are centralized and they are intense, to say the least.

604
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 3: They are in tense like in the colder weather, you know,

605
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 3: the the you know industries where you're coal mining or

606
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 3: steel mills, you know those type of industries, real real

607
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 3: blue collar, hard hat lunch pels cities Markets, Baltimore.

608
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 4: You know, they're like that.

609
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 3: They are very very passionate about their teams, and they

610
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 3: don't play about it, even for right or for wrong.

611
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 3: They don't play about it. So good for them, but

612
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 3: it just happens to be a little bit misled, you know,

613
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 3: miss misguided on this one.

614
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 4: I would think.

615
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 2: They'd be proud of the fact that they are cheap

616
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: asses and still have somehow figured out a way to

617
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 2: get to Super Bowls and not win it. I mean, hey,

618
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: but you know what, there's a lot of teams who

619
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: have spent money and close. Jerry Jones has spent a

620
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 2: ton of money and has not been doing a conference

621
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 2: championship game in thirty years.

622
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 3: Dan Snyder spent more money than anybody and didn't come close.

623
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 3: You can't outspend this, you know, bang for your Maybe

624
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 3: the Bengals are onto something, you know, bang for your buck. Hey,

625
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 3: you ain't gonna win it anyway.

626
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 4: I see you're you're converting right now to a Bengals fan.

627
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 2: I'm trying to find the positives here for Bengals fans

628
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 2: who get very worked up about this stuff.

629
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 5: Maybe Lee should be a Bengals fan. He's always looking

630
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 5: for a bargain. Lee is banged up? Is what he's

631
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 5: a bank tell you?

632
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 3: Do?

633
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 4: You want to know what?

634
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 3: For people listening? Uh. One of the highlights of the

635
00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 3: show thus far in.

636
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 5: The middle logged out of our zoom because Lee won't

637
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 5: actually pay for a subscription.

638
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 3: Right on the screen, Right on the screen, it just says,

639
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 3: you're free.

640
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 4: This is our show. Like what this happened on any

641
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 4: other time slot?

642
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 3: This is where it happens, like you need it to

643
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 3: happen if you want to hear the most outrageous craziness

644
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 3: of how a show is being ran. Name another slot

645
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 3: with a line up where this ass happens. The joint

646
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 3: timed out. It timed out like, yeah, it was. It

647
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 3: was on my personal I thought I thought we were

648
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 3: doing Streamyard. What happened to Streamyard? I'm on stream Yard

649
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 3: right now. It's uh, it's but it's also blacked out.

650
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on with stream Yard.

651
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 4: You are glass out. Take a lap.

652
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 3: Maybe the computers off take a lap lead you some

653
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 3: sort of cheap free version of emails too. I feel

654
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 3: like all your emails coming to be delayed. I agree

655
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,959
Speaker 3: on that one too. I agree on that one too.

656
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 3: To here, let me let me try this. What what

657
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 3: are you going to try?

658
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 2: Well, it's you just send it to lead to lap

659
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 2: At Prestige liquor.

660
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 3: You're gonna That's what I had.

661
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 4: That's the one I had.

662
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 3: I don't know if you got a different one there,

663
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 3: But Jonas is the only one that had strong communication

664
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 3: lines with tries to defend himself, like, do you take

665
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 3: yourself seriously?

666
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 5: Sometimes with the conversations we have, No, I actually throw

667
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 5: myself under the bus more than I should.

668
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 4: I don't stand up for myself then I should.

669
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 3: So what he's basically saying is he should have defended

670
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,720
Speaker 3: himself against me this morning. I feel like I'm pretty accurate.

671
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't feel like there's no defending necessaries,

672
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 3: just you know, I feel like there's a lot of

673
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 3: accuracy to.

674
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 4: Well.

675
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 3: I mean though, I mean, I would have liked to

676
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 3: came in cool, to be honest, I did have a

677
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 3: Celsius and my energy level was on high. Bro I

678
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 3: came in this joint. Oh wait, I'm still just like,

679
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 3: hey man, yeah, I can walk to that. I was

680
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 3: ready to be happy with him, and then I'm trying

681
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 3: to like, you know, then then out of nowhere. I'm

682
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 3: trying to like what.

683
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 4: Was not in my email, and I don't see anything. Yeah, well,

684
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 4: maybe you tried to peg him. You know whoa whoa?

685
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 4: You know whoa seek or something? You know whoa.

686
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 3: Too many titles, too many adult titles going on in

687
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 3: this show right now.

688
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 4: I don't see Brady, Buddy. I'm in streaming in the

689
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 4: waiting room.

690
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 3: I tell you.

691
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 4: You're controlling as you have to let me in.

692
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 3: Dude.

693
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 4: By the way, once it's a free one.

694
00:35:53,160 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 3: So all right, man, we'll move off.

695
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 4: I came all this. All I was trying to do

696
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 4: was get ready for a show.

697
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 3: All this criticism we're giving the Bengals organization and we're

698
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 3: doing free zoom trials to our show. And we are

699
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 3: the Bengals.

700
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 7: We are.

701
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 3: We are the Cincinnati Bangles of this network. Our show,

702
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 3: our show. Don't get that to the whole network. I

703
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 3: just was watching Tam Patrick's Booty Cheeks aw television yesterday.

704
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 4: He's doing pretty well for him.

705
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 3: So what do you mean?

706
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 4: I was watching adults or whatever?

707
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 3: Grown ups, grown ups, two grown ups. One when he

708
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 3: was the gym teacher. Yeah, he's dad is funny as

709
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 3: hell too. By the way, he's a pretty funny dude.

710
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 3: He was hitting him with with the killer butt. Che

711
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 3: looked like he had a bb al.

712
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:51,479
Speaker 4: Damn.

713
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 7: Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and

714
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 7: a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Arrington and

715
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 7: Jonas Knox weaked six am Eastern three am Pacific.

716
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 3: Kevin Stefanski was talking with the media and detailed when

717
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 3: he's deciding on naming the starting quarterback for Week one

718
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 3: this upcoming season. Here was the Browns head coach.

719
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 10: I want to get through the next couple of days,

720
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 10: but certainly that's something that we're going to do here,

721
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 10: sooner or later. I need to get the football team

722
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 10: in here, talk to the players, those type of things.

723
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 10: So we're working towards obviously Week one. You know, that's

724
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 10: part of what this week is about getting our football

725
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 10: team ready. So we'll make all those type of determinations

726
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 10: in the next couple of days.

727
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 2: So I'm going to go out on a limb here.

728
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be Joe Flacco, all right,

729
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 2: So that's going to be my prediction. I don't know

730
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 2: if you guys have knocks blocks.

731
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm gonna second that.

732
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 5: I think it's gonna be Joe Flacco as a starting

733
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 5: quarterback wins wis what?

734
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 4: Yeah?

735
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 3: While we go back to that, well, now we have options.

736
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 5: That's the worst one though. That's why we have options

737
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 5: because we hated that one.

738
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't really like envision Q is Mario? You know,

739
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 3: I just don't. It's there, I know it, but I

740
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 3: just don't see you as being short, you know what

741
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 3: I mean? Like, I just think of Mario. I think short.

742
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 4: Luigi was taller though, wasn't He was taller?

743
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was taller. Too, skinny though you're jacked, he's not.

744
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 3: Uh yeah he's not.

745
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 4: He wasn't. Now we're done.

746
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 3: That one's way better.

747
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 4: Lee might like that one the best lead.

748
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 3: Oh wow, what wow?

749
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 4: That's what I was playing while you was cooking steaks yesterday, bir.

750
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 3: Snakes.

751
00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 4: What was you wearing when you was cooking steak? Yeah,

752
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 4: exactly the same thing I'm wearing now.

753
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure.

754
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 4: I'm sure. Hey Lee, where'd you sleep last time?

755
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 3: Again? A couple of couches?

756
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 4: Well, you need a good mattress. Let me tell you,

757
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 4: good sleep starts with a good mattress. And I trusted

758
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 4: the mattress from sleep. That's goods to find my perfect.

759
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 5: Mattress from their premium selection for the Great Sleep You

760
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 5: Deserve is a mattress firm during the best sale of

761
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 5: the year, they make sleep easily.

762
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 3: It's very good at cue. That was very well done,

763
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 3: you know.

764
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 2: I speaking of the Browns, Dylan Gabriel looked okay over.

765
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 3: The weekend and he looked good man. He's a competitor.

766
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, okay, here we go. Did anyone take offense

767
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 4: to that or take that a certain one?

768
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 3: I don't care. I could care less. I just saw

769
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 3: it making its rounds.

770
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:47,919
Speaker 4: Yeah.

771
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 3: He's not an entertainer. He's a competitor. And you know what,

772
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 3: the first thing I thought about when I saw that

773
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 3: or heard the sound bite was if you were call

774
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 3: there was a guy by the name of Dan Lanning

775
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 3: that wasn't into social media and acting and all that stuff.

776
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 3: It's about playing football. Now. I don't know, fighting for clicks,

777
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 3: for fighting for wins. I don't know if that was

778
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:20,280
Speaker 3: that wasn't Dylan Gabriel's team, I don't believe, But obviously

779
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:26,280
Speaker 3: I think that there is the connection to Dan Lanning

780
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 3: in Oregon and what that messaging was. So now It's

781
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 3: interesting if some way, somehow, because it does appear that

782
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 3: Shador has no problem addressing his critics or anybody that

783
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 3: has something to say about him. It doesn't seem like

784
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 3: he has any issues with it. I wonder if they

785
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 3: had a conversation about that.

786
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 2: The fact that anybody would take Dylan Gabriel saying.

787
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 3: I'm a competitor.

788
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 2: They're entertainers and their competitors and try and turn that into, oh,

789
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 2: he took a shot at a shad Or Sanders is

790
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 2: just exactly what people are trying to turn this into.

791
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 2: It's now become a Dylan Gabriel versus shad Or Sanders.

792
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 2: It's because you know why it's turning into that, because

793
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 2: that's what people are thinking. I mean, let's be clear,

794
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 2: people are thinking that Shador Sanders is entertainment, and and

795
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 2: so for him to throw in he's a competitor, that's

796
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 2: that's him adding on to it. But it's already like

797
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 2: that's already a perception is that it's it's entertainment. I

798
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 2: like the fact that they ask about it after the game,

799
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 2: and he's got to clarify he wasn't talking about Shador,

800
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 2: but made it a point to tell the media there

801
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 2: in attendance.

802
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 3: No, you're the entertainers. I'm a competitor, which I don't

803
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 3: know that I fully agree with that, because you have to.

804
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 4: I mean, the.

805
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 3: Media industry is very competitive. Yeah, but we're competing.

806
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 5: And I get what he's saying though, like we're here

807
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 5: for entertainment, right, Like that's ultimately what it's about. Yeah,

808
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 5: I mean, well that is true. I mean now that

809
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 5: you don't you don't break news. I mean, you know,

810
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 5: sports isn't about breaking news anymore. It's just about there's

811
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 5: some breaking news like trades and stuff like that, injuries

812
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 5: or somebody got in trouble, stuff like that. But generally speaking,

813
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 5: I mean, you're just talking about and giving your opinions

814
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 5: on different things that are taking place. I mean, I

815
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 5: get it, I get it. We're definitely here for entertainment,

816
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 5: at least I know I am. You know, I'm not

817
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 5: trying to be anything more than an entertainer. But you know,

818
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 5: I did play the game too, so I don't have

819
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 5: a problem with being an entertainer because I've been a

820
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 5: competitor in my life as well.

821
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:40,919
Speaker 2: So do you think people are going to go after

822
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 2: Dylan Gabriel and some of the hot take artists are

823
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 2: going to go after Dylan Gabriel for this.

824
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 3: I think it will suck if because the only people

825
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 3: that are really going to go after him that it

826
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 3: really matters is within the market, Like the fan base

827
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 3: may attack Dylan Gabriel based off of that, depending on

828
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 3: how it plays out, it could. I mean, I've said

829
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 3: it from the jump the minute they drafted Shador Sanders,

830
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 3: whatever team drafted him was going to have to deal

831
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 3: with the stardom effect, the stardom impact of what he

832
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 3: brings to the table, and it's proven to be true.

833
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 3: And listen, he plays some he I mean, I'll defer

834
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 3: to you on this cue. I mean throwing the ball

835
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 3: in that first game, he made some throws that I

836
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 3: didn't I mean, I didn't.

837
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 4: Realize he could throw the ball that well.

838
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 3: I mean, I knew he could play, but I just

839
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 3: didn't know he was hitting tight windows like he was

840
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 3: doing in that game.

841
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 4: He can play football.

842
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 3: But I do believe that his stardom his start, and

843
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 3: he doesn't shy away from it obviously, but his stardom

844
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 3: was going to be a thing wherever it is he went,

845
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 3: and you're seeing that in Cleveland.

846
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I know, you know, reservations or doubts

847
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 5: about his throwing ability. I thought what he showcased in

848
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 5: that first game was his ability to kind of move

849
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 5: around and showcase his athleticism that like, he can be

850
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 5: a running threat, he can scramble, he can hurt you

851
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 5: with his legs, because you know he was very hesitant

852
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 5: to do it at the college level. But to your point,

853
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 5: I mean, just stepping back, those two are always going

854
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 5: to be tied to each other because they're drafted in

855
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 5: the same year and there's only one guy who starts.

856
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 4: And so whether or not.

857
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 5: They want to describe it as a competition or however

858
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 5: you want to go about doing it, it's just it

859
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 5: is what it is. It's really hard to, you know,

860
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 5: have those sorts of feelings where you can you things

861
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 5: can be friendly when you guys are both fighting for

862
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 5: a job, whether that's the starting job, a backup, hell,

863
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 5: it could be a roster spot. You know, you were

864
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 5: you were in competition with one another, and you know

865
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 5: how doing Gabriel operates and how shoud or Santos operate

866
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 5: or completely different. But in regards to what we saw

867
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 5: in the field, I thought Dylan Gabriel did everything he

868
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 5: needed to do to continue to be in that conversation

869
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 5: for either the backup because I think Flacco is the starter.

870
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,720
Speaker 5: We've you know, addressed that, or make a roster spot.

871
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 5: He was on time, on point, He was very accurate.

872
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 5: You know, the interception was such a fluke, weird play

873
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 5: off of a boot. I mean, there's a lot of

874
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 5: things that went wrong. You know, obviously he just needs

875
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 5: to throw it away at that point and he'll learn that.

876
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 5: You know, it's preseason, so it's a good learning lesson.

877
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 5: I'm sure Tommy Reese and Kevin Stefansk are telling him that.

878
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 5: But it doesn't help when your flat control bleeds up

879
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 5: the field. It allows the defender to undercut it. It

880
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 5: doesn't help that the overall like everything was kind of

881
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 5: collapsing all into one big team meeting. So you know,

882
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 5: chalk it up as a learning lesson and as a mistake.

883
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 5: But it wasn't just on him. You know, you just

884
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,439
Speaker 5: ultimately are the ones that that's created on it because

885
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 5: you have the football, so everyone it seems to blame

886
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,479
Speaker 5: you in the end, where really, if there's a little

887
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 5: more separation, maybe there's a window, maybe there's someone else

888
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 5: you can make a play on the football, or at worse,

889
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 5: it's it's a complete But I digress.

890
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 4: I think you know, it's not so much. The intrigue

891
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 4: about the Browns aren't about who the quarterbacks can be

892
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 4: week one.

893
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 5: It's who the quarterback is, you know, Week seventeen, and

894
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 5: is that game even a meaningful game for the Browns

895
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 5: with whoever is that's starting quarterback?

896
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 3: For in public opinion, Dylan Gabriel cannot outplay the entertainment

897
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 3: factor that Shador Sanders brings to the table.

898
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 2: Were you watching the game on NFL Network when they

899
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 2: showed it on Saturday, Like the second Dylan Gabriel through

900
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 2: that pick one of the first camera shots they went.

901
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 4: They can't.

902
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 3: I cannot out and I'll take it a step further.

903
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 3: I'll take it a step further. I'll take it a

904
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 3: step further. Joe Flatco will not be able to outplay

905
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 3: the entertainment factor that Shador Sanders brings to the table.

906
00:46:58,360 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 4: So here's the thing.

907
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 5: If Shador does what we saw him do in the

908
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 5: first preseason, and if he plays that way, because it

909
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,760
Speaker 5: wasn't that long ago that the Browns drafted Johnny Manziel

910
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 5: and people were saying the exact same thing you're saying

911
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 5: right now. And the problem is when the play doesn't

912
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 5: come with it, then it's like, okay, now it's just

913
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 5: a circus. So that's the problem is, you know, it

914
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 5: looks all good when you walk out in a fight

915
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 5: and you got the whole crew and the whole parade

916
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 5: coming out with you. But that's when you win. When

917
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 5: you don't win, then it's like it turns against you.

918
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 5: So again, all that stuff right now doesn't matter. It

919
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 5: only was gonna matter if he doesn't play well, which

920
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 5: again I think he's fully capable. I mean, we're talking

921
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 5: about a coach he's won multiple Coach of the Year awards,

922
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 5: who knows how to put his quarterbacks in.

923
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 4: A position to succeed. And this is a talented roster

924
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 4: around them.

925
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,280
Speaker 5: I mean, Thrash looks great, Kate Davis said a phenomenal

926
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 5: training camp preseason so far, like they've got young kats,

927
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 5: a wide receiver who stepped up, who have looked the part.

928
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 4: So it's gonna be really interesting.

929
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 5: I just I think that it sounds all all good,

930
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 5: But it's not that long ago that we kind of

931
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 5: saw the entertainment value of Johnny Manziel and the clamoring

932
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 5: for Johnny Manziel and then that quickly faded by the wayside.

933
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 3: I'm going to totally take a different take on that

934
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 3: because I believe Shador Sanders, being drafted where he was drafted,

935
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 3: was turned into a sympathetic figure, not even just in

936
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 3: Cleveland in general to sports fans and onlookers, and I

937
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 3: believe looking at what chador situation is, it will be

938
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 3: a hard pressed situation for him to even play poorly

939
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 3: and possibly be held accountable for his play. I think

940
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 3: he will always because he has so much built up

941
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,839
Speaker 3: in terms of what his family name, what his dad

942
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 3: has represented, what his dad has gone through, what people

943
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 3: have related Shador Sanders too, and being connected to his dad.

944
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 3: I think the storyline, if anything, Young Bucky has done

945
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 3: such an excellent job of building out the identity of

946
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 3: Shador Sanders, and his dad has has mastermind and built

947
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 3: out such a strong identity for Shador Sanders. It doesn't

948
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 3: even come close to Johnny Manziel. Doesn't even come close.

949
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 3: Because Johnny Manziel, while he was like the People's champion,

950
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 3: he did it the way he wanted to do it

951
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 3: and the money and this, that and the other, his

952
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 3: controversial type of ways and the way. People were very

953
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 3: split and divided in terms of how they felt about

954
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 3: Johnny Manziel. While people may hate on Shador, I think

955
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 3: there he has grabbed a very captive audience in a

956
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 3: very very specific demo that they're not going to go

957
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 3: for Shador.

958
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 4: What demo is? You know what it is? Well, here's

959
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 4: here's the one thing I got SAand rebuttal to that

960
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 4: is yeah, I know, I know.

961
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 5: As soon as I saw him they're showing him walking

962
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 5: out for that first preseason game, I had people text

963
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 5: me to go, here we go again, like for everything

964
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 5: you just said and how sympathetic with the draft and

965
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 5: all that stuff. As soon as it was like the

966
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 5: kind of circus coming into the game, there are people

967
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 5: who already started to get a side eye to it.

968
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 4: We're like, you already lost them. Like if there was sympathetic,

969
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 4: they're rooting form fifth round pick all stuff.

970
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 5: There are people who are like, all right, right back

971
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 5: to kind of the whole circus and everything else off

972
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 5: the show.

973
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 4: So again, none of it matters. None of it matters.

974
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 5: If he plays well, they win. That's that's that's all

975
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,399
Speaker 5: that matters, right at the end of the day. That's

976
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 5: all that I don't know that he's going to play.

977
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 3: I think that the way it plays out, his public

978
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 3: opinion will be all over whoever's playing. It'll be all

979
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 3: over their neck, which plays in his favor because he's

980
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 3: not going to be in a situation where he's lowering

981
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 3: his value that way.