WEBVTT - Canadian Trucker Convoy 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:10.960 What a all right? The show started, Garrison, Hey, we're 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:17.040 gonna be talking about Canada again, so yeah, um, and 0:00:17.160 --> 0:00:22.759 to discuss Canada and politics and the happenings here. We 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:27.200 have another journalist who writes for I Believe, Anti Hate 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:32.040 Canada and like the Canadian Anti Hate Network and also Vice. 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:36.080 I believe right, I've written for Vice. I'm currently researching 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:40.839 full time and extremism researcher for It's a new initiative 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:44.280 called the Online Hate Research and Education Project. It's actually 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:46.519 partnered with the Canadian Anti Hate Network and it's it's 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:49.680 under the new Burger Holocaust Education Center, which might be 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:53.720 renaming very soon. I'm I'm very excited for you guys 0:00:53.720 --> 0:01:00.000 to get into a Twitter fight with James Lindsay. Um 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:03.720 can't wait. So yes, Dan here has joined us to 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:07.600 talk about Canada because I've gotten a few messages about 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:11.640 this thing that's happening. My mother, who's in Alberta, called 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:13.440 me a few days ago to talk about this thing 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:16.880 that's happening. So it's been it's it's I'm getting a 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:20.160 lot of things and it's definitely worth discussing, specifically on 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:22.480 some of the rhetoric that people are using around this. 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:26.480 So I'm actually I'm gonna I'm gonna hand it to 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:30.520 Dan to talk about what, like how did this thing, 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:32.080 like what is it and how did it kind of 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:37.039 get started? Yeah, Well, so Derrison is not alone, by 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:39.679 the way, for anyone not in Canada. Every single person's 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:42.280 mother in the entire country is called using about it. 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:49.680 I just got another message literally right now, like literally 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:53.000 this second. It's gonna nothing. Moms of Canada have been activated. 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:57.400 Moms of Canada have been activated, but not in exactly 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:00.320 the same way that they're being perceived to be. Yeah, 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:04.880 all the ways. So the quote unquote trucker convoy, which 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:06.800 I might get into a little bit later, but I'm 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:10.400 kind of like against even calling it a trucker convoy. Yeah. 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:17.760 It was started on January and by a former Wigsit 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:21.320 Party now called the Maverick Party member Tomorrow Lich and 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:26.720 a group of like very active far right grassroots protesters. 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:30.360 You do a lot of organizing like this, uh, and 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:32.480 most of them, most of their activities kind of go 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:35.680 back to tea. Yeah, they go back a decent a 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:39.639 decent amount. Yeah, like this, I mean there's links to 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:41.639 people that have been doing it in the nineties and 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:46.160 Canada's movement right now, but a non binding motion against 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:49.399 U I think it's a M three a few years 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:52.320 ago really mobilized people and it's kind of been more 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:55.920 consistent since then of the same groups of people. Yeah, 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:58.040 that's that's what we talked about in our first Canada 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:01.240 episodes about kind of how we got to that point 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:03.520 and now like those same people are still kind of 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:05.480 behind what's going on right now. So, yeah, there's this 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:08.960 alleged caravan of truckers of all the truckers in Canada 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:14.280 going going to Ottawa, um and Canada, all the tuckers 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:17.240 and so this thing was kind of originally organized by 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:20.000 some like known far right figures and the people associated 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:22.520 with like the Canadian Yellow Vests, which kind of died down, 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:25.840 but it didn't die down. It just morphed, right, morphed 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:29.840 into a very strong anti vax of presence in Canada 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:31.600 right now, the anti vaxx movements getting a lot of 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:34.160 popularity in Canada, and it's run by these guys who 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:36.440 were doing we Exit, which is like West Exit, but 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:38.600 for like it's it's it's like for Alberta NBC to 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:42.280 go away from Canada because the rest of Canada's too liberal, um, 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:45.080 so we exit and the l vests have really changed 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:47.640 all of their focuses into this anti VAXX thing as 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:50.320 a way to do recruiting, and they've prompted this kind 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:54.360 of movement of truckers going to Ottawa. UM for a 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:56.840 few specific reasons which I think Dan probably knows a 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:58.880 little bit more about than I do. Like I I 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:01.280 know the gist of it, but you you would focus 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:04.200 on the on this slightly more than I have. Yeah, 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:07.680 I guess the main reason is it works, um like, 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:10.680 just from the perspective of getting attention and being able 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:12.920 to get a message out. UM. There's been a lot 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:15.280 of traction on this that these groups don't normally get. 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:21.080 I think the last trucker convoy UM that was done 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:24.839 under this sort of umbrella, it had like nine I 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:27.280 think was the total amount of like trucks that made 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:29.599 it to Ottawa the last time this was trying to 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:31.760 be done, and it was basically the same demands and 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:36.159 the same reasons. So this one was started on January 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:39.200 and it didn't get that much fuzz the first couple 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:41.480 of days. The original goal was set at a hundred 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:44.520 thousand dollars. I don't remember the exact time, but once 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:46.520 it hit that pretty fast, and it hit the first 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:49.599 million pretty fast in ways that like these fundraisers really 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:52.800 really don't. Like the last big one we saw in 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:55.920 Canada that was quite alarming in that fast capped out 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:59.400 at under four hundred thousand dollars and that was um 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:05.040 for a barbecue for a barbecue that got defied protests 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:07.960 last year and uh ended up getting like all it's 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:10.160 it's a bad door shut down. So there's a lot 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:13.320 more money now in this one. Yeah, because this this 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:15.559 fundraiser which was supposed to go like hand in hand 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:19.120 with these truckers protesting the vaccine mandates because they're upset 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:21.200 that they're not allowed to truck into these states because 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:24.760 they're not vaccinated. So they have decided to all truck 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:27.800 into Ottawa as like a pseudo strike slash like blockade 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:30.159 type thing because they're saying that they were not going 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:31.760 to do our jobs and we're gonna kind of block 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:36.440 off access to these roads um until this mandate is 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:39.680 is removed. Now. Of course, the funny thing here is 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:42.880 that the mandate that to enter to not being allowed 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:44.880 to enter the states to do your trucking rooms. That's 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:48.000 not a mandate by Canada. That's done, but that like 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:51.360 that's the rule in the United States because you're entering 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:53.560 the United States, they're the States is actually the ones 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:55.400 doing the block edge of the Canadian government has no 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:58.960 control over this. It's not like it's not actually the 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:02.599 thick the way to get the message out and support 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:06.360 is incredibly effective because something I think like percent there 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:09.840 was a survey recently of Canadians are against the mandate, 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:13.440 which is like really huge um for like Canada's anti 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:16.320 vax movement to kind of get that like support and 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:18.960 like a lot of people are mobilized too. By there's 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:22.800 a trend of posting. It starts from four Chain and team, 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:26.000 but it's getting revived a lot again now of people 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:29.320 posting like empty grocery stores. Even a Conservative member of 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:32.400 parliament recently posted an empty grocery store. And as for 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:35.479 people's emails to try to like change the laws, it 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:37.240 turned out to be from the UK. It was a 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:41.920 stock photo. Uh. And there's been like even like the 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:44.440 stores themselves have had to come out and make statements 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:48.120 being like yeah, we're not we're not empty. We have 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:51.600 we have something we are in the process if we restocking. 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:54.080 That's happened the US to where it's like we're literally 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:58.640 emptying that shelf to move stuff with other shelfs. We've 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:02.600 had a really bad snowstorm for a lot of the 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:05.520 real photos of like empty shelves, and it's just like, oh, 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:08.120 no salad tap out and the story just make a statement. 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:10.200 It's like, yeah, we had two snowstorms a day in 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:12.800 a row ock. But like the narrative that they're trying 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:15.320 to push is like these these mandates are causing these 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:20.840 shortages um and the propaganda is working even though it's 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:22.680 all on a false premise, because first of all, it's 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:25.280 not like that that those aren't that, that's not casting that, 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:28.760 and second of all, complaining to Canada's that's not the 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:31.280 Canada's not the one who's making the restrictions in the 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:33.120 States are the one that's that's blocking from doing this. 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:36.760 But but it's it's not actually about these issues. It's 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:38.800 that's not the reason why you're getting all these people 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:40.800 driving to Ottawa, because there is a lot of people. 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:43.800 There's not many trucks, but but there is there is 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:45.640 a decent amount of people. You know, it's that that 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:47.640 are that are going this because it's not it's not 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:51.160 actually about these specific issues. It's this general um like 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:56.000 seething hatred of Trudeau and like a generalized grievance that 0:07:56.040 --> 0:07:58.520 it's gotten this broad support, it's gotten enough financial backing 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:03.160 the fundraisers what like like over six million dollars now um, 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:05.840 And it's it's not like it's just what it actually 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:09.160 is is an incoherent kind of intention just to go 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:13.520 to the capital and cause problems, right that that that's 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:16.320 what they're actually that. That's what like the underlying thing 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:18.400 is for a lot of a lot of the like 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:21.920 explaining why it's gotten so picked up. Some some official 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:24.960 demands like have been put out and they would be 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:27.960 even more confusing like to read than like some of 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:29.840 them are there. A couple of the most recent ones 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:33.080 are just very general like stop this divisive nature that 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:36.359 our government is imposing kind of thing like I'm paraphrasing, 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:40.280 but it's it's really quite bland. Um. Some demands from 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:43.120 san little groups involved. One they say they won't leave 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:46.360 until Trudeau steps down. Others say, at one point said 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:49.440 until every politician stopped down, stepped down. I think that 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:53.040 was when before someone kind of pushed in more realisticals 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:56.160 into the movement, but like in terms of like what 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:58.240 they're talking about, for like the rhetoric surrounding it. We're 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:02.480 seeing a lot of rhetoric around the sentence being like 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:06.480 we this can be our version of January six, but 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:08.520 like they're saying that like in a good way, like 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:12.439 that's that's the thing that at least some of the organizers, 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:14.840 and then it's being carried out into like the generalized 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:18.440 rhetoric is that this this should be our own version 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:20.680 of this, which is which is interesting on a few ways, 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:24.679 but like also like this would not have been said 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:29.240 like seven months ago, but it's being said now, which 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:31.520 means like there's been a shift in how January six 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:34.840 is being viewed. There was this initial like really distancing 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:37.240 and now it's like it's becoming almost like more acceptable 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:40.120 to acknowledge that it was maybe a good thing in 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:43.360 your eyes, And it's like that's an interesting rhetorical shift 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:45.520 that that's been going on. But then it's also concerning 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:47.080 on just like a regular level to be like, yeah, 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:49.120 these people wanted these people are saying they want to 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:52.520 do their own January six. That has obviously physical implications 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:55.440 for all these people trying to drive to Ottawa. Um 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:57.920 do either blocking off roads or just like making the 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:02.880 government inoperable. Yeah, a coat streamer or a well a 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:06.120 streamer in what's called the Plaid Army, And now that's 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:09.319 sometimes kind of just being rebranded as like Diagalon network 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:12.880 quote unquote, which we can get into more, but it's 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:15.480 it's gonna be sillier. Yeah, they're they're kind of their 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:17.920 own they're their own issue for later. Yeah, they're their 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:22.360 own issue. But it was one of their streamers who 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:26.680 is very tangently connected to like a lot of the 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:29.720 the far right people that are involved in this protest 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:31.560 movement leading up to an in fact, Pat King, who 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:35.760 was officially one of the organizers of the convoy until 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:37.520 he wasn't and then he was again. That was a 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:40.360 whole dramatic thing for a day, like he streamed alongside 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:45.400 Plaid Army guys before um So, someone on Plaid Army said, 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:47.280 and I would quote, I would like to see our 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:50.320 own January six event, see some of those truckers plow 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:53.760 right through that sixteen football And on January twenty four, 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:56.000 that was put up on CTV News made alive and 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:57.600 it's kind of scare a lot of people. I think 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:01.640 at that point former Conservative leader Andrew Sheer had already 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:04.240 voiced support for the convoy. There's been a lot of 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:08.240 other like members of Parliament stuff voicing support for the convoy. Uh, 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:10.400 some of whom really didn't seem to know like what 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:14.120 was involved and really just kind of heard ten like 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:17.480 in passing, Oh it's against these mandates and I opposed 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:20.240 these mandates too, And it's like, if I think it's 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:22.839 the true DEALU based well side out, it's gonna help you. 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:36.960 You're gonna help your political career. Yeah, yeah, it's completely true. 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:41.719 So have they actually started like blocking roads or is 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:44.200 it just a bunch of red and people driving like driving. 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:49.000 So there's there's a few differently converging points of the convoy. 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:51.800 I think I would say probably the biggest one. Um, 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:54.560 but it's it's hard to kind of keep track. Started 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:56.719 in British Columbia and it's going so for this, I'm 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:58.439 sure not everyone knows like math for Canada. So like 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:01.000 bur just Columbia is like our west coast, that's our 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:05.120 our California, UM, and Ottawa is it's close to the 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:09.200 west and it's in Ontario, but it's on the border 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:12.520 of Quebec and Ontario, and that's where our parliament is, 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:15.920 that's our capital city. So it's coming from every which way, 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:18.160 but I think the largest contingent comes from British Columbia 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:22.080 and it just basically goes eastward to Ottawa, picking up 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:27.120 people along the way. Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's it's 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:29.680 it's heading in that direction. Um, how do we know 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:31.840 about I know some people have kind of already some 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:34.439 people have kind of already sort of arrived in Ottawa, 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:37.280 but most mostly people are expected to more arrive in 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:41.120 the next Like, well, we're recording this Thursday night, so 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:43.880 this episode will probably come out on Monday. Um, people 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:46.679 are expected to arrive on Saturday. Is the day that 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:50.480 expected people expecting like everybody to be there. At least 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:54.400 that's the understanding of it. The convoy itself arrives Saturday. Um, 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:57.679 there are people like coming from further east who are 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:00.320 like staying overnight in town and kind of just showing 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:03.320 up the parliament event. So like, by by all accounts, 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:06.439 the Parliament show will probably be a lot bigger than 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:09.880 the so far. Yeah, I guess we haven't mentioned numbers yet, 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:12.679 SORR numbers, nor like what what they actually really plan 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:14.440 on doing once they get there, because it's it's been 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:16.440 so much talking about like why this got started, and 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:20.040 what's the like driving motivational factors. Yeah, like their their 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:21.800 goal is to get to a place and do a 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:27.200 thing and and that's the yeah, and the thing's the 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:29.679 thing that's mostly unclear. And I have seen discussions about 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:33.120 like blocking on like doing like trying to assemble like 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:36.480 a trucking strike, um, and then like blocking off accesses 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:38.960 so that the government is forced to obey their demands 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:43.040 or else like the country will shut down. UM. Then 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:46.040 some people maybe are just kind of doing it as 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:48.200 a one day protest. It's it's it again. It is 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:51.120 it is. It is pretty unclear, but people are headed 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:54.400 to their UM what what is the what is the numbers? 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:56.800 At least from where we can see like online and stuff, 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:05.440 their numbers have been the number fifty trucks. People became 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:10.400 fifty trucks very quickly. Um, and that same number I 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:13.959 think Rogan repeated it, I know, said yeah, yeah, Joe 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:16.320 Rogan said it THEO Fleury one on Laura Ingram and 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:19.320 repeated the fifty thousand number, he said, fifty thousand truckers, 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:23.840 not trucks specifically. Um, as far as I know, THEO 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:27.920 Fleury has no official involvement Convoy, and it's just a 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:30.840 fan and it's just repeating some numbers that like organizes 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:35.040 themselves have kind of echoed. Um. This is also complicated 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:37.080 for me because this is very troubling in a lot 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:38.960 of ways. But also I'm a huge fan of the 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:45.160 song Convoy, so this is really devastating. Please continue, It's 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:48.520 all right, Yeah, So Canadas fur It protest movement has 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:53.400 kind of happened doing this in February of Kelly and Farcas, 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:57.640 who's like a mainstay of the anti mask antivacs movement. Uh. 0:14:57.680 --> 0:15:00.240 And in between when I'm talking about in right now 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:03.080 actually dated Pat King for a while, who's kind of 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:07.640 the most outspoken person organizing the current convoy claimed that 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:10.280 a hundred thousand people were coming to Parliament for what 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:14.000 was then like an anti mask demonstration. Before the event, 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:17.880 data will look changed to fifty uh. And I was 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:21.000 actually there, it looked closer to like two people. I 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.680 had friends that had counted like hundreds and seventy people, 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:28.040 So not quite fifty uh. For all intents and purposes, 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:31.760 the current one will be longer. Reporters doing great journalism 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:34.160 along the way have estimated up to like four hundred 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:38.680 people so far um, including I think fifteen trucks outside 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:41.920 the bass Pro shop in Toronto this afternoon. I was counted. 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:45.440 Side note, if nothing else, gotta give them points for 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:47.880 stopping at bass Pro in Toronto is a pretty sweet 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:50.160 bass pro. Do you love a good bass Pro shop? 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:54.720 My favorite is the one they built into the Giant Pyramid. Yeah, obvious, 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:58.360 Nashville baby. So the Bass Pro in Toronto, if you're 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:00.840 ever in town, Robert, it's the only place around that 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:03.120 I've been told it sells sub songic twenty two rounds. 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:05.320 So if you're like in the woods, so I feel 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:08.280 like in the woods, but like you don't want to 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:11.840 like scare your neighbors because the woods aren't bad. Big Yeah. 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:13.640 I used to have some friends and I used to 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:18.720 go shooting in a suburban neighborhood with two because it's 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:25.800 don't don't do that, Definitely it was there was it 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:28.520 was legal a right Canada, doesn't I do not. I 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:32.840 don't endorse them. You might have might have to cut 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:37.440 this part out for regional sharing. Go leave this all late, 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:40.840 just a bunch of words, make it nonsense with bleeping 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:46.680 please continue. Yeah, so only fifteen trucks were counted by 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:51.920 CBC at that point. Um and like videos and stuff 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:54.680 have been right, Yeah, yeah, there might be a couple 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:58.240 dozen slightly short. But I think by the time brobby Saturday, 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:00.160 I think there's a decent chance that there might be 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:04.400 maybe around fifty trucks to a hundred trucks. If there's 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:07.840 anything more than like five hundred, all of the media 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:11.359 footage will look like there's fifty that's enough trucks, Like 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:13.919 nobody's cameras going to be able to show the extent 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:17.040 of them realistically. And then yeah, once they're there, it's 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:18.680 unclear what they want to do. Some people just want 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:20.520 to do the function up thing. Some people want to 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:23.720 carry on the tradition of like what the most of 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:27.119 the anti like VACS anti mask protests in Canada been, 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:29.359 which have been pretty big, But it's been, it's been, 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:32.760 it's been mostly standing with signs. Um, so it is 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:35.720 it is? It? It is really unclear because again, most 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:38.879 of the truckers in Canada probably are not going to 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:43.880 be there nor to necessarily endorse this idea. Um Nor 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:48.080 is like right, because they're pressing the their their whole 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:51.000 initial issue is not even based on an actual like thing, 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:53.399 So it is I'm not sure how they people are 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:54.800 really gonna show up because I don't know even how 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:57.399 specific it is to an issue. UM one. One just 0:17:57.480 --> 0:18:01.359 really interesting, funny, interesting thing that I thought about is 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:04.159 like with with some of these people UM, you know 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:06.760 talking about you know, going to Ottawa and not leaving 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:10.000 until the mandates are dropped with the entire government resigns. 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:11.760 Like these people who are talking about this like block 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:14.960 engine shortage and stuff are also like the same people 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:18.080 who get very angry and Indigenous people for blocking off 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:21.520 roads and trails um for like oil and like pipeline protests. 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:24.280 A lot of them, yeah, some of them. Some of 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:27.560 them are indulged in pretending and stuff like Pat King. 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:31.919 Back in September, Um kind of went on like a 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:34.679 kick where he just let a lot of people believe 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:37.600 he was indigenous and claimed someone not correct them that 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:40.120 is that is weird, And a family member of him 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:45.119 went on Facebook and like bombarded people with information that 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:47.359 he was not in fact indigenous, and it was all 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:50.760 very weird and a lot of people held them to 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:54.200 comments in the past where he talked about Anglo Saxon's 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:58.520 having the strongest bloodlines. Uh yeah, that is I think 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:01.800 Pat pat King he deserves his own little deep dive 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:04.840 on one of the pods. But but yeah, like it's 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:07.399 it is like with all the people talking about blockheads 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:09.480 and stuff all you most of them coming from like 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:13.199 the western side of Canada. Um it is it is 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:15.520 uh yeah, like you're you're talking about all these things, 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:18.800 and like there's really big pro oil sentiments and all 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:21.520 of the in all of this crowd because a lot 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:24.000 of it is connected to financial and political stuff, not 0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:27.399 necessarily even this vaccine issue. It's been more like a 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:33.119 symbol to represent their general kind of upsettedness at the 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:36.520 way at the way things are going for them. It's 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:39.119 interesting to me. So when I first heard about this, 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:41.560 my I was I was like, oh, okay, so this 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:44.320 is gonna be like the Chilean truckers and I was like, Okay, 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:45.959 well this is really bad. But it's like it's interesting 0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:50.000 to me, like how few people they've been able to mobilize, 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:54.000 Like that's like not a large number of truckers like that. 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:59.959 It's yeah, it looks like a lot of like vehicle 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:03.000 is when you when you see like footage photos and 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:06.000 videos like like in I'm gonna like a lot of 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:08.159 like Telegram and Facebook groups of just people just like 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:11.680 sharing pictures and photos of the rally of the convoy 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:14.920 passing through their town and like it's like what Robert said, 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:16.720 like it's here when it fills up both sides of 0:20:16.760 --> 0:20:19.040 the camera and you have a wide depth of field, 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:23.120 it looks huge and it's it's really hard to count. Uh. 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:26.960 The money is preposterous. Also, saide note on on the 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:30.960 money um. The funds were frozen a few days ago 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:33.240 on the twenty five, but today one million dollars was 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:35.600 released back to them because they gave go fund me 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:38.679 a pretty clear plan allegedly according to go fund me 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:42.119 for for how they're gonna distribute it. The rest of 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:43.960 the it's it's I think it's like six point seven 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:45.960 million now, so the rest of the five point seven million, 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:48.560 I think it is still frozen. Okay, well it is. 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:51.880 It is, so it is so much money. Uh, yeah, 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:56.320 we should do something like that. They could They could 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:59.520 actually buy truck nuts for a hundred and fifty thousand truckers, 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:02.399 which is the most I've seen them. Guests, truckers are coming. 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:05.600 They could buy truck nets off Amazon for all of 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:08.000 them and still have the vast majority of their funds 0:21:08.080 --> 0:21:10.000 left over. Yeah, but see that would be an act 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:12.640 of actual heroism and and they're not going to do that. 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:15.040 The reason why I wanted to talk about this is 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:18.560 one to like acknowledge that it's happening, right, acknowledge the 0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:21.159 tactics that they're using in terms of trying to go 0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:26.040 into an urban area and block off like trade routes essentially, um. 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:28.920 And then I wanted to talk about like, first of all, 0:21:29.000 --> 0:21:31.280 it doesn't matter that like the fact that this is 0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:34.480 happening is divorced from any kind of direct cause, right 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:38.760 because they're they're actual grievance is false and their grievance 0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:42.080 doesn't really actually matter. It just needs there needed to 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:44.800 be some kind of cultural or propaganda push in order 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:47.520 for this physical action to happen. And that's been done. 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:50.879