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Speaker 1: gonna be talking about Canada again, so yeah, um, and

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Speaker 1: to discuss Canada and politics and the happenings here. We

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Speaker 1: have another journalist who writes for I Believe, Anti Hate

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Speaker 1: Canada and like the Canadian Anti Hate Network and also Vice.

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Speaker 1: I believe right, I've written for Vice. I'm currently researching

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Speaker 1: full time and extremism researcher for It's a new initiative

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Speaker 1: under the new Burger Holocaust Education Center, which might be

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Speaker 1: renaming very soon. I'm I'm very excited for you guys

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Speaker 1: to get into a Twitter fight with James Lindsay. Um

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Speaker 1: can't wait. So yes, Dan here has joined us to

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Speaker 1: talk about Canada because I've gotten a few messages about

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Speaker 1: that's happening. So it's been it's it's I'm getting a

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Speaker 1: lot of things and it's definitely worth discussing, specifically on

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Speaker 1: So I'm actually I'm gonna I'm gonna hand it to

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Speaker 1: Moms of Canada have been activated, but not in exactly

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Speaker 1: the same way that they're being perceived to be. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all the ways. So the quote unquote trucker convoy, which

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Speaker 1: It was started on January and by a former Wigsit

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Speaker 1: You do a lot of organizing like this, uh, and

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Speaker 1: them all um and it had pack King funny side done.

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Speaker 1: It had pack King listed as an organizer while they're

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Speaker 1: go fund me had a statement saying they had no

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Speaker 1: connection to him, which was very funny. But yeah, so

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Speaker 1: CBC Toronto pack contacted them and the guy responded enough

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Speaker 1: lies you quote slate blooded trader, evil will get its

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Speaker 1: due in the end and after a little yeah after

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Speaker 1: yeah after it back, yeah, after it, back and forth,

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Speaker 1: very brief back and forth. Uh and just like a

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Speaker 1: couple of questions. Uh. The organizer ended with, you know,

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Speaker 1: you toe the line for the global corporate coup taking

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Speaker 1: place under the guys of public health. You can't be

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Speaker 1: that dumb traders will swing in time, Oh boy. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I do think Americans don't fully understand how much the

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Speaker 1: anti vax movement is tied too far right politics with

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Speaker 1: it in Canada and it's like been like the driving

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Speaker 1: force of far right politics for the past two years

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Speaker 1: and it's gotten so much larger. Um, it is like

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Speaker 1: it is, it is. It is a thing like when

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Speaker 1: when you have when you have people on camera saying

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Speaker 1: we want to January six, I advocate a civil war,

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Speaker 1: talking about not leaving until the government either resigns or

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Speaker 1: mandates are dropped, and then threatening physical violence on top

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Speaker 1: of that. Um yeah, like it's it is. It is

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Speaker 1: a thing that could happen there, And that's kind of

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Speaker 1: why I wanted to talk about it is like yeah,

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Speaker 1: when I have my mother calling me dozens of messages

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Speaker 1: from random people like we're about this, then yeah, it

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Speaker 1: is an issue like, um, it's it's it's not it's

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Speaker 1: not not a thing, No, it it is. And the

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Speaker 1: rhetoric is so universal against anyone they perceived to be

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Speaker 1: leftist too, that it is really dangerous. Like there's been

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Speaker 1: a little bit of talk of like counters in Ottawa. Um,

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Speaker 1: when the numbers are this big, like there's no safe

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Speaker 1: weight for people to to stop that sort of thing,

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Speaker 1: especially when all all the vehicles are in that side.

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Speaker 1: Like it's a it's dangerous. There's a lot of violent stuff.

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Speaker 1: Um even uh, like I was looking today the People's

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Speaker 1: Party of Canada's they got like five percent of votes

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Speaker 1: in our last selection. They had a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a scandal during our election, which is at the end

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Speaker 1: of last year. UM, where a writing director for I

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Speaker 1: think it's uh, it's the great area of London. It

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Speaker 1: is elegant Middle six London. Uh. So they're they're writing

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Speaker 1: directors and not their member of parliament writing. Um was

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Speaker 1: revealed to uh post like sculpt mask not tea memes

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Speaker 1: and memes comparing Bernier, the leader of his own party,

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Speaker 1: to Hitlert so like probably not a negative comparison, Um.

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Speaker 1: And he was not fired for it, but he was

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Speaker 1: fired after it came out that he was being charged

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Speaker 1: for throwing rocks at our prime minister. Yeah, he actually rely,

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Speaker 1: he recently said on a live stream. He was asked

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Speaker 1: he was currently on trial, and he said, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean as far as I know, Like he's been posting

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Speaker 1: images of like trucks running people over and that's just

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Speaker 1: like one connection to h to the legitimacy of it all. Um,

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Speaker 1: Like you, I mean the plat army guys, the ones

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Speaker 1: who talked about driving the truck sixteen feet, they're also

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Speaker 1: connected with Bernier. They've had Randy Hillier on their podcast before,

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Speaker 1: who's a sitting politician and a member of provincial parliament,

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Speaker 1: which is kind of like our States Center equivalent over here.

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Speaker 1: UM They've they've had him on and like there's some

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Speaker 1: like legitimacy to it getting on and when you just

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Speaker 1: talk about the broad movement in general. Former UM Conservative

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Speaker 1: Party of Canada leader Andrew Shear, who had kind of

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Speaker 1: a rocky departure from the party because he alleged leaves

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Speaker 1: campaign funds to pay for his kids to private school

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Speaker 1: side not like he had already signed on and endorsed

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Speaker 1: and been interviewed. Erin O'Toole, the current leader of the

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Speaker 1: of the Conservative Party AH just today actually uh said

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Speaker 1: he was going to engage with them. Earlier this evening,

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Speaker 1: Sergeant in Arms Packers McDonald sent an email to our

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Speaker 1: parliamentarians ahead of Saturday's trucker convoy protests and quoting Justin

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Speaker 1: links Twitter here, there have been attempts to collect MPs

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Speaker 1: home addresses as such, the Sergeant at arms as advising

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Speaker 1: to avoid the rally and go somewhere safe. That apparently

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Speaker 1: wasn't listened to Erin O'Toole, who said, I do it anyways,

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Speaker 1: and Justin Link tweeted later tomorrow, I will be meeting

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Speaker 1: with truckers to announces right after Parliamentary Security warned MP

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Speaker 1: used to avoid the protests entirely. So it's not great. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean again, this will probably come out after Saturday,

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Speaker 1: So if we don't talk about this again, then that

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Speaker 1: means probably it's good. I mean, they showed up, they protest,

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Speaker 1: and they kind of justicipated if we're following this up

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Speaker 1: in a few days with another episode, that would be

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Speaker 1: something bad happen. But again, even even at this point,

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Speaker 1: it is still worth talking about in terms of like

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Speaker 1: the generally like this is like the kind of like

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Speaker 1: the net of why this is so important for everybody

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Speaker 1: is what you were saying about, Like, when you've got

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Speaker 1: this many people, this many trucks coming from an outside

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Speaker 1: and moving into a city, there's very little that can

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Speaker 1: be done against them. Um, Like, there's not there's not

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Speaker 1: really much of an effective counter other than trying to

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Speaker 1: get another massive people in cars to confront them, and that's, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, a potentially dicey situation. So this remains a

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Speaker 1: very powerful tactic. We've seen it used all over the

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Speaker 1: United States too, like and it's this idea of like

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Speaker 1: blockading a city. Even though this is kind of the

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Speaker 1: earliest step in taking that is this is gonna be

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Speaker 1: the last time people try to extend to this logic. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So that's that's kind of the surrounding cultural reasons and

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Speaker 1: shifts and rhetoric and like applicable nous as like an

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Speaker 1: act of like an act of like protest or like

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Speaker 1: like revolt or insurgency, whatever whatever you want to use.

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Speaker 1: Is there's interesting because like a lot of these other

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Speaker 1: interesting thing about the States compared to Canada is like

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Speaker 1: the States we have like we have like an actual

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Speaker 1: like far right movement, like we have like we have

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Speaker 1: like conservatives, when then we have like the far right

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Speaker 1: movement in Canada. That that distinction is not much of

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Speaker 1: a thing. A lot of a lot of there is.

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Speaker 1: There is some far right figures trying to push stuff forward, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: but a lot of like the space in between conservative

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Speaker 1: far right is kind of a little bit more fluid.

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Speaker 1: A lot of these people who are showing up are

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Speaker 1: not like far right protesters, they are kind of regular conservatives,

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Speaker 1: but they're still getting sucked into saying I advocate a

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Speaker 1: civil war, like that is just a regular conservative dude.

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Speaker 1: He's not a member of any kind of political thing.

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Speaker 1: He's It's like, it's that is just that is just

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Speaker 1: kind of what this culture on the western side of

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Speaker 1: Canada really really like a kind of defaults to almost

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Speaker 1: when when you start going into this kind of like

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Speaker 1: anti Trudeau territory, because that's the their their their main

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Speaker 1: their main politics is anti Trudeau. Like that is that

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Speaker 1: is what they are. So anything that gets to that

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Speaker 1: point is allowed, whether that is conservative or that is

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Speaker 1: like more far right, as long as it's anti Trudeau,

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Speaker 1: then it's it is a valid politic And that's not

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Speaker 1: distinction in the state. That that's a thing into Canada

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Speaker 1: that I don't really see as much in the States.

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Speaker 1: It's very familiar to me when you talk about how

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Speaker 1: anti Clinton is um fed into Trump is um like

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Speaker 1: that that is I think a worthwhile comparison to me,

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Speaker 1: because there were a lot of American conservatives who could

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Speaker 1: get in bed with anybody if they were staying against

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Speaker 1: Hillary or Bill um cool stuff. Well, this is all fun.

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Speaker 1: I hope to not talk with you about this again, Um,

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Speaker 1: but there is a chance, there is a chance people

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Speaker 1: have conversations Um, if you wouldn't want to after after

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Speaker 1: episode airs, if people want to see what happened, right

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Speaker 1: because this this air is probably Monday, um, and the

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Speaker 1: convoys set to arrive on Saturday. Where can they find

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Speaker 1: work talking about that? Soether that be like your Twitter

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Speaker 1: feed or um if you know if any articles are planned? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I'm planning on live tweeting. Um. I can't make

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Speaker 1: any promises because safety is always a thing and I

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Speaker 1: won't to know what it looks like until Saturday happens.

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Speaker 1: But I'm planning on live tweeting. My Twitter is at

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Speaker 1: spineless L. That's the word spineless and then just the

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Speaker 1: letter L. So yeah, you can check in on his

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Speaker 1: account to see if he has a thread by the

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Speaker 1: time this episodes out. Um, And yeah that's how That's

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Speaker 1: how you can kind of figure out what happened if

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Speaker 1: you're just listening to this now and then in the

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Speaker 1: meantime there'll be a lot of Ottawa media covering it

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Speaker 1: if you just want to see the fallout. I imagine

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Speaker 1: the Canadian Anti New Work might talk about it more.

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Speaker 1: They put an article today on it that that covers

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Speaker 1: more of the kind of problems that the far right

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Speaker 1: that we talked about today than the most other media

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Speaker 1: will go into they did. Uh, that was a very

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Speaker 1: good article. And then also today um I Elon Musk

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Speaker 1: tweeted in support of the Canadian truckers. So just in

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Speaker 1: terms of let's just as as a good example, I

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Speaker 1: think this situation is a really great way to start

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Speaker 1: thinking about politics and culture UM and how they relate

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Speaker 1: to each other, and how this type of thing succeeds

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Speaker 1: and how it succeeds UM and why this rhetoric is

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Speaker 1: so successful in bringing in so many people in Canada

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Speaker 1: and raising six million dollars almost seven million dollars. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: that is that is the show. One more plug dance,

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Speaker 1: so people know where to find you. Uh, I only

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Speaker 1: really am active on Twitter, so again it's at spineless LU.

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Speaker 1: The word spineless is then I don't have a spine.

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Speaker 1: And then the letter L on Twitter, thank you plug

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Speaker 1: your Getter account. You're getting wow yeah, real real get

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Speaker 1: her user vibes coming off of Dan the only social

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Speaker 1: media platform that Joe Rogan looked at and said, Robert's

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Speaker 1: just trying to get me to plug my sock puppet accounts. Yeah, everyone,

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Speaker 1: this is fucking off. You could follow all my sock

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Speaker 1: puppets at Fascist Wizard dot c a of anyway that

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Speaker 1: is uh that that doesn't for our show. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for listening, and yeah convoys Canada can't can't escape bad excellent.

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