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Speaker 2: Look at this now, tip to tip. This is our life,

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Speaker 2: this is our passion. That's the spirit we bring.

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Speaker 1: To this show. I'm Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 2: I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this morning Combat. Hey. It's the nineteenth of September

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two and it's time four morning Combat. Hi everyone,

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Speaker 1: I am merely one half of your hosting duo. I

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Speaker 1: join you from the capital of the Status nidos right

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Speaker 1: here in Washington, DC. My name is Luke Thomas. As

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Speaker 1: I indicated earlier. Probably you'll see some graphics on the screen.

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Speaker 1: I am joined by my friend and yours. He goes

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Speaker 1: by a lot of names, some of them good, some

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Speaker 1: of them bad. I call him the King of Connecticut.

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Speaker 1: He's my friend. In yours, it's Brian Campbell. Hi, Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: Luke, I'm like that thorn in your side that you know,

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Speaker 2: off color of your toenail that just won't go away.

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Speaker 2: But after a while, Luke, you kind of get used

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Speaker 2: to it. You know, I'm let's do this thing right.

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Speaker 1: You're the fungus on toenails.

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Speaker 2: You know, at some point though, when the colors changed

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Speaker 2: so rapidly each time you stub them, into the staircase. Inevitably,

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Speaker 2: it does begin to look a little like art.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's how art works, but there's interpretations

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Speaker 1: of art. Nevertheless, I appreciate you joining us all here today, BC.

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Speaker 1: I know you were busy over the weekend following a

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Speaker 1: very lackluster I would argue, Triple G Canelo trilogy fight.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to that. Josie has retired.

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Speaker 2: You know, I would be really upset about how badly

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Speaker 2: sometimes they shit in your hands, right. But Luke, something

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Speaker 2: happened to me the night before Friday night in New Haven, Connecticut,

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Speaker 2: blood in the streets in the town of no Luke,

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Speaker 2: do you know what happened to me?

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Speaker 1: You saw a concert by a very underwhelming band that

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Speaker 2: I saw a band, my favorite band in the world,

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Speaker 2: my morning. But the thing is, Luke, I hadn't seen

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Speaker 2: them in nine years, and they took five years off

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Speaker 2: know what I hadn't realized in that time, Luke, what

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Speaker 2: that a very very good band became great. I'm not

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Speaker 2: doing the the uh nineteen seventeen uncut gems bit here, okay,

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Speaker 2: but Friday night I saw the best concert in my

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Speaker 1: All right. Well we'll talk about that a little bit

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Speaker 2: And I'm still high from it, Luke, very good.

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Speaker 2: It's just that that he's royalty in this space. Whether

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I share all that analysis. I would add a

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Speaker 1: They will not come around like Jose Aldo very often

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Speaker 2: And maybe Luke because he was all those things I mentioned,

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Speaker 3: So it's like I almost respected me even more.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he could have been a front page breakout

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Speaker 3: But he always was who he was, which was great.

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Speaker 2: So you watched his journey essentially from start to finish,

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Speaker 1: Who best? I forgot what I had on my rundown list.

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Speaker 3: Like, you know, a major win in his run.

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Speaker 3: He didn't always fight like that.

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Speaker 2: We know that most often in his prime he was

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Speaker 2: But with a career this long, I mean, he faced everybody,

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Speaker 2: he's just that kind of dude that you really can't

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Speaker 2: he's in that necessarily silva GSP John Jones area of

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Speaker 2: Luke rightfully, So, I don't think he was ever tied

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I always wondered if if he muggled all the

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Speaker 2: conspiracy is not true. God, he's a He's what you want. Look,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you would want anyone to be a

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Speaker 2: True false, true, definitely true. And it's funny that right

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Speaker 2: the Alda McGregor fight twenty fifteen year, who's the greatest,

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Speaker 2: I mean you some would say GSP, some would say

431
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,800
Speaker 2: Anderson whatever. But I feel like right after that, McGregor

432
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,359
Speaker 2: made this huge rise, and you know, Rowsey was leaving,

433
00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,480
Speaker 2: and there was so much star power around at that

434
00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,760
Speaker 2: time that we did start to say, like, is John

435
00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,240
Speaker 2: Jones in front of our eyes the greatest? And maybe

436
00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,240
Speaker 2: Jose got bumped down because I mean it was it

437
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,840
Speaker 2: was an embarrassing loss, Luke, and it's because of you know,

438
00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,080
Speaker 2: not because he fought awful, but because of all the

439
00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,080
Speaker 2: trash talk and the build up in this big moment

440
00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,280
Speaker 2: where I think, you know, the core fans were like Okay,

441
00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,720
Speaker 2: you're gonna you're gonna serve this guy. You're gonna show

442
00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,200
Speaker 2: this guy that he's just a loud mouth and he's

443
00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,879
Speaker 2: not on your level. I think that's why that's one

444
00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,080
Speaker 2: of the most shocking, if not the most shocking ending

445
00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:57,760
Speaker 2: in UFC history. But it did diminish in that short

446
00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,520
Speaker 2: term in the few years after. Maybe it's why I

447
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,040
Speaker 2: put him in that second five and I get a

448
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:04,200
Speaker 2: lot of criticism from the fans.

449
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:05,640
Speaker 3: I think it did drop him a stock.

450
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,400
Speaker 2: But look, I gotta be honest, what he's done since then,

451
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 2: as we just broke it down, I mean, that has

452
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,760
Speaker 2: to bump him back up to a certain degree. Because

453
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,360
Speaker 2: most guys when they get to the point of their

454
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,840
Speaker 2: greatness and how great they're going to be, and then

455
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,920
Speaker 2: they lose, and let's say it's in devastating fashion. In

456
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 2: four fights, he got knocked out cold by McGregor and

457
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 2: got stopped by Holloway twice. So you know, guys don't

458
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 2: come back from that. They don't you know, they come back.

459
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 2: They take a couple of fights, they might win or

460
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,600
Speaker 2: lose them, but nobody comes back from that and constantly rebuilds.

461
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,359
Speaker 2: We have to add that now, retroactively into the total

462
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 2: body of how we look at him, and I do

463
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 2: think as a lot of fighters, he'll be one of

464
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,040
Speaker 2: those fine wine legacies where, you know, five years from now,

465
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:46,920
Speaker 2: ten years from now, I think we'll be holding him

466
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Speaker 2: a lot higher than maybe what that McGregor won fight

467
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 2: one knockout loss did in a short term to blind

468
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,719
Speaker 2: some of us, maybe me included, and to just how

469
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:57,520
Speaker 2: great he really was.

470
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's probably something to be said for that. And

471
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,360
Speaker 1: also he had Abandam weight. What he did was remarkable,

472
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 1: but he never got to finish in bensomweight, not like

473
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 1: he was fighting chumps or something. But you know, obviously

474
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,360
Speaker 1: his his efforts down there were mixed. He lost obviously

475
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 1: to Yawn pretty badly. He lost technically to Maris and

476
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,879
Speaker 1: obviously to Morob some of those being lackluster fights. And

477
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,880
Speaker 1: then the Yon fight was great, but then he got

478
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 1: kind of polished off and then he had though he

479
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 1: had solid wins, but it wasn't This was the thing

480
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 1: I always said about going to one thirty five for Jose.

481
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 1: It extended his career and I think it brought the

482
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Speaker 1: fans back around him because what he did was was admirable,

483
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:32,719
Speaker 1: but if you just look at the reality of what

484
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Speaker 1: it did, Like, what was his campaign like at one

485
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Speaker 1: thirty five versus what his campaign was like at one

486
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,360
Speaker 1: forty five, It didn't materially change anything. He was more

487
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 1: or less kind of stuck in the same spot. Not

488
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Speaker 1: good enough to win a championship, good enough to beat

489
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Speaker 1: a lot of other guys, pretty commendable place, but it

490
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 1: wasn't like an upgrade for him. It was more or

491
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 1: less the same still. To be that senior in your

492
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 1: career and then that competitive pretty remarkable. Hard to know

493
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 1: what the.

494
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 2: Killers right now with the killers at bandam weight that

495
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 2: this era has for him to have been twice in

496
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 2: the title discussion at that age is remarkable.

497
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,400
Speaker 1: Oh, it's beyond Yeah, it's it's extremely impressive. Again, I'm

498
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 1: just pointing out like nothing was really hugely different for

499
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 1: him in that sense. Bigger l the McGregor loss or

500
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 1: the tattoo he got last week be see hard to know,

501
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.

502
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,640
Speaker 2: The McGregor loss, because I think he could still add

503
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,199
Speaker 2: like I'm always telling Tristan our great cameraman Luke, who

504
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:25,880
Speaker 2: will probably kill you in your sleep one day.

505
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,439
Speaker 3: You know, he's got all of those animals in the

506
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:29,640
Speaker 3: in the wolfs.

507
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 2: And you know, he needs connective tissue, He needs a

508
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 2: h he needs a dream catcher to connect them all together.

509
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 2: I think if Jose adds something or you know, around

510
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 2: that that can some color, something that can take away.

511
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:44,360
Speaker 1: The oh yeah that partially lasered and then get tattooed

512
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 1: on top of it, that's what he has to do.

513
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 1: There's no fixing.

514
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 2: That's he's too proud to do that shit.

515
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Speaker 1: Luke. So let me ask you this. Okay, what is

516
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Speaker 1: the Jose Aldo currently sits at thirty six years of age,

517
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 1: just turn thirty six in September? Would you like to

518
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: see him box at all? Is that a thing you

519
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 1: care about?

520
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 2: I mean, you got to ask yourself, who you know?

521
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 2: He's too small for a Jake Paul size guy. I

522
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 2: mean he's also kind of too small for like to

523
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 2: box Nate. I mean, I guess you could do something

524
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 2: like that. But the question is like, would it be like,

525
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 2: you know, are we looking at it Jose McGregor boxing

526
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 2: match when both are thirty nine? I mean, yeah, call

527
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 2: me back, look me up then, Luke. I'll probably be

528
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,400
Speaker 2: into it for all you know. But you know, I'm

529
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 2: not against him trying to make money. I don't know.

530
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Speaker 3: I just feel like he's gonna fight one more time

531
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 3: in the UFC Luke.

532
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Speaker 2: I kind of want to see him fight under the

533
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 2: guise of like going back home, homecoming send off, you

534
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like a chance for him to

535
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 2: jump the fence again and run through the crowd like

536
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 2: he like he spectacularly did that one time.

537
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Speaker 3: I mean, I want I kind of really want to

538
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 3: see that.

539
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: Why do you think he retired with one fight left

540
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 1: on his deal? My best read on this BC, And

541
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 1: tell me if you agree or not, is that like

542
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 1: everyone's like, oh, but the US is going back to Rio. Well,

543
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 1: a couple things like number one, he already fought in

544
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,719
Speaker 1: Rio a number of times. He fought in Rio against Max.

545
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: He fought in Rio against Volkanowski, and you could be like, okay,

546
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 1: well he lost those two. He also fought in Rio

547
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: against Chad. He fought in Rio against Chance Sung John,

548
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 1: he fought in Rio against Chad Mendes the first time,

549
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: Like he fought in Rio the a fair number of times.

550
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: Wasn't like that he had never done it with the UFC.

551
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 1: I'm pointing out obviously, and then the other part is

552
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: like I guess he was like, listen, if I'm not

553
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 1: going to be fighting for a title, I don't want

554
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: to just keep doing this bullshit, Like, yes, he could

555
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: fight somebody else, but what the fuck is the point?

556
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: Do you share my sentiment?

557
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm sure you know, his coach, who

558
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 2: has been a you know, either brother or father to

559
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 2: him this whole run, you know, depending on the dynamics

560
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 2: of their relationship.

561
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 3: He came out publicly and said that, so, you.

562
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 2: Know, and that happens when a fighter it feels like

563
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 2: he's got a couple of pay days left, but the

564
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 2: team around him or the family is like, come on,

565
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 2: you know, enough is enough. You're everything, You've done everything.

566
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 3: We don't need anymore.

567
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: You know.

568
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 2: I'm sure that played a part, because I'm sure he

569
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 2: respects those who spoke up about that. Yeah, I can

570
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 2: I respect him more now for doing that, you know

571
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So so I think that its ultimately it.

572
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 2: I think you probably had the or.

573
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: For not starting their lawnmower right outside my window until

574
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Speaker 1: the show started. I really appreciate that from them, you know, well, Luke.

575
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 2: They don't have to know or care about your day

576
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 2: to day schedules. You know what I mean. The people

577
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 2: can't hear it, Luke, the people that are listening to

578
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 2: the show, or now.

579
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 1: I can hear it, and it's fucking distract He's got

580
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: like a chainsaw off here. I mean, you know, what

581
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 1: are we doing? All right?

582
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 2: Somebody in your neighborhood cares about his lawn, Luke. I'm

583
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 2: that guy in my neighborhood that doesn't care.

584
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 3: Not only Luke Thomas level.

585
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 2: But I'm that guy who was like, yeah whatever, and uh,

586
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 2: maybe he's one of them.

587
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 1: You know, he does care more about his law than me.

588
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 1: But that's not saying a whole lot. So we'll leave

589
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 1: that as it is. All right, Well, we'll see what

590
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 1: happens with Jose Aldo. An impressive run, as impressive a

591
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: run as they basically come, certainly in the lower weight divisions.

592
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to topic number two if we can. BC.

593
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Speaker 1: Let's get to the fights. First things first, let's talk

594
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 1: about Canelo Alvarez. We will get to the UFC in

595
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 1: just the second, but we want to start with the

596
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 1: biggest fight of the weekend. It was clearly Allo Alvarez

597
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: defeating Kanadi Glovkin via unanimous decision. Now, the good news

598
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: in the broader picture b seen you would probably agree

599
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 1: with this, is that this was the most definitive of

600
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: the three in either direction. Canelo was clearly better than

601
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: Kanadi Gilovkin. However, the fight was not great at all,

602
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 1: and even with Alvarez winning, it just that was not

603
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: an It wasn't a terrible performance from him, but it

604
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 1: was hardly his best. So explain to me, in your

605
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: best way possible, why was this fight so lackluster despite

606
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 1: Canelo being so clearly better?

607
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 2: You know, it was the perfect storm of a bunch

608
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 2: of factors that could have produced a fight that was

609
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 2: past its time and not necessarily necessary in the end.

610
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 2: That's exactly what happened. Now, sometimes it doesn't happen. Marquez

611
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 2: Pakio four. The comparison we had coming into this, you know,

612
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 2: if we were romanticizing with the perfect ending for this

613
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 2: rivalry be and that shocked people, right, that was an

614
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 2: outlier where it was not only the fourth.

615
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 3: Meeting, which is sometimes the saddest if you get that far.

616
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 2: Think Vazquez markets with that forgettable fourth meeting, but you know,

617
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 2: customer fatigue all that. But they were aging enough that

618
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 2: they slowed down to be more vulnerable, and I think

619
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 2: we underestimated the hatred and the fire for one another.

620
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 2: None of that matriculated into this third meeting, even with

621
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 2: some of the parallels. Should we have had more fears

622
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 2: about what Kanati would look like at forty in hindsight,

623
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 2: of course? I mean you only have to go back

624
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 2: five months and watch the Riota Morada fight in Japan

625
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 2: and see him get get hurt to the body against

626
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 2: a non puncher before rallying getting the knockout. But not

627
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 2: only did we hope that that wouldn't play into this fight,

628
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 2: I think we hope that the combination of like, look,

629
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 2: there are levels to how jacked up a fighter will

630
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 2: commit to training camp. I mean, it's different if you're

631
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: even at forty. I think we said to ourselves, Look,

632
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 2: you're fighting the career rival, the guy you hate the most.

633
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 3: There's so much at stake, he's gonna pour out whatever's left.

634
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 2: Luke. It just turned out that whatever was left was

635
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 2: way worse than we expected, which is it wouldn't have

636
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: been a killer.

637
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 3: Like I think my dissatisfaction is.

638
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 2: Really of the entertainment value, which happens we didn't get

639
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 2: what we could have gotten. And even if Kannati came

640
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 2: in old, you say to yourself, Okay, well, Canelo's gonna

641
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 2: take care of him. And if he does it decisively,

642
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 2: if not spectacularly, boy, is that a flag in the

643
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 2: ground to close this rivelry. Well, unfortunately the other side

644
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 2: of it was we didn't get any of that from Canelo.

645
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 2: So whether it is seventy five percent of because of

646
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 2: the injured left wrist that he's claiming needs surgery, or

647
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 2: whether we may have to look a little bit closer

648
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 2: at this fight in the combination of the bev All

649
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 2: loss to the idea that at thirty two after turning

650
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 2: pro at fifteen, Cannelo is also aging too and may

651
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 2: not be that guy. Either way, Luke, it came together

652
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 2: for a boring fight, one that I thought was more

653
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 2: or less completely one sided, despite Gnatti rallying late to

654
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 2: at least pick up his out, and a fight that

655
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: was almost a debacle on the scorecards when all was

656
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 2: said and done. So you know, it's a shit sandwich

657
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 2: served in a men's room, Luke, I mean, that's what

658
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 2: it turned out to be. That's harsh. It wasn't as

659
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 2: bad of a fight, as I'm saying, But the expectations

660
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,239
Speaker 2: after the first two were obviously through the roof. There

661
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 2: was enough stakes and interest and emotions into this. You know,

662
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 2: we should have had a better fight.

663
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 3: We didn't.

664
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 2: I'm glad the right guy won at least. But anybody

665
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 2: in the past forty eight hours trying to say that

666
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 2: this fight was close, Nope, that the scores were right, nope,

667
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 2: that you know either guy was impressive in their performance, Nope.

668
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 2: It was just one of those times that happens, Luke.

669
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 2: They make a big fight Duran Leonard three is a

670
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 2: good comparison, and it just sucks the horn. What were

671
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 2: your biggest takeaways on how we got here, Luke.

672
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: So, but I have a bunch more questions for you,

673
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: and I'll use what I'm thinking as a way to

674
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: pitch to you. Because you watched it live and so

675
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: I watched it after the fact. You can get a

676
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: different reaction in things when you already see the headlines

677
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: and then you watch the fight like I did. So

678
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: let me say this or let me put it to

679
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: you this way. Canello at the post fight presser was

680
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: asked about David Benavitez, who by the way is like,

681
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: in this weight class is a very deserving contender, and I.

682
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 3: Realized champion, former two time champion, right.

683
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: And he has the interim title I think for WBC

684
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: at one sixty eight, which doesn't mean much, but still,

685
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,239
Speaker 1: you know, but looking to who to fight at this

686
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: weight class, this is the next guy. He got asked

687
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: about it, and like Canello seemed almost offended. I'm not

688
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: going to ask you, did Canelo phone in this whole thing?

689
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: He trains too hard, blah blah blah. But I did

690
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: get the feeling that, like I don't know how to

691
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: say this exactly, rather than this, did you get the

692
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: feeling that Canelo almost didn't want to be there, like

693
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: he was going to be enough to get the win,

694
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: but after that he like was not interested in participating

695
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: this thing anymore.

696
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 2: So remember I said, you know, I had fears about

697
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,479
Speaker 2: his motivations coming in, and I interviewed him for four minutes,

698
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 2: but in that you know satellite interview where it's you know,

699
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 2: one after another, I was like, Okay, you know, he's

700
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 2: selling to me that there is real animosity here, that

701
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 2: he wants to finish with a knockout and end Glovekin's career,

702
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 2: and you know that didn't translate. And look, if the

703
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 2: injury is completely real, then that certainly explains parts of it.

704
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 2: I also think he's aging because he did turn prot fifteen.

705
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,959
Speaker 2: That's so many huge fights in his early twenties and

706
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: fought everybody, fought on a killer schedule. By the way,

707
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 2: that eventually will catch up with you. You fight two years

708
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 2: in a row of four fights a year at this level,

709
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 2: it's going to catch up with you.

710
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 3: But I the most importantly, look, the motivation was not there.

711
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 2: It just it didn't look like the second half, you know,

712
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 2: especially in rounds nine through twelve, as Glovekin has finally

713
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 2: shown a pulse and he's finally coming forward, it didn't

714
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: look like. The thing that I think I feared most

715
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 2: for Ganadi was that Canelo would utilize the emotions at

716
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 2: play and would basically say, fuck this guy for talking

717
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 2: about steroids about me all that time.

718
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 3: I'm gonna make him pay. Now.

719
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: That wasn't there at all, and I think that was

720
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 2: disappointing for a guy who, you know, I've been trying

721
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 2: to argue was still my pow for pound king.

722
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 3: He didn't look like it in this fight.

723
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 2: I think the emotions played a big part, and that's why,

724
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 2: to some degree, neither man really worked hard to sell

725
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 2: this fight marketing wise, which wasn't a surprise because of

726
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 2: their personalities. But still another man sold it in the ring.

727
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 2: I mean, look as much as like, okay, was there

728
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 2: a Triple G rally, Well, okay, there was, but rounds

729
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 2: one through eight, the guy didn't do a damn thing.

730
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 2: So it was, you know, much ado about nothing in

731
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 2: the end in that regard.

732
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: All right, So a second question, second question, second follow

733
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: up here, Canelo looked well, first of all, Triple G

734
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: to your point, I mean, I think the other day

735
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: we're making this about Canelo. But let's be very clear

736
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: about this. Canelo did some decent work rounds one to

737
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: eight decent work, and Triple G just did very little.

738
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: I mean, he just did very little. He looked so old.

739
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: But here's here's the thing that's like nagging me in

740
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: the back of my head. In a lot of these fights,

741
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: like for example, the Covial le f fight, he was

742
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: losing that fight up until he wasn't. Do you think

743
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: Canelo was like, I'm gonna I'm gonna sort of put

744
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: in a decent effort and if the knockout shows up,

745
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: then great, and if not by rounds nine, when the

746
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: when the when Trible G was actually finally starting to

747
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: do something, he kind of like mentally checked out. In

748
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: other words, if the Billye Joe Saunders fight had gone

749
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: the distance, if the Covid le F fight had gone

750
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: the distance, would we be saying something similar about Canelo

751
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: that he looked fine but not as remarkable as he

752
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: would be but for chasing the finish in the or

753
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 1: finding I should say, the finish in those particular fights.

754
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 2: Well, you know, if those fights had gone twelve but

755
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 2: the intention was there in the second half, then we

756
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 2: would it would be you know, you could critically question that,

757
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 2: but and say, okay, did his power carry up to

758
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 2: these weight classes, But it's all about intention. The intention

759
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 2: wasn't there in the second half of the fight from Canelo?

760
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 2: Was that you know? Was his training camp compromise because

761
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 2: of the injury? Was he gassing a bit? Was he old?

762
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 2: There's a lot of questions right here. I thought strategically,

763
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: he was very smart in the first half of the fight.

764
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 2: And you know, we can say Triple G looked like

765
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 2: shit and looked like he was about fifty in the

766
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 2: first eight rounds, and that wouldn't be, by the way inaccurate,

767
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 2: but it was because the speed difference that was already

768
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 2: there four years and five years ago was heavily exasperated

769
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 2: now with Triple G fading, and Canelo was smart got

770
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 2: right up behind that high guard so he was close enough,

771
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,919
Speaker 2: and he countered every jab attempt that Triple G had,

772
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 2: seemingly with a harder, quicker punch over the top. So

773
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 2: Triple G basically was like, my, a game's being taken away.

774
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 2: But look, he never got that fight or flight, you.

775
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 3: Know, flip didn't happen.

776
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 2: I mean, at the end of the round five, Jonathan

777
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 2: Banks is like, I need you to believe in everything

778
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 2: we worked for here, which is a major sign that

779
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 2: he's that Triple G's frustrating, has no idea what to do.

780
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 2: So Ganadi, I'm happy he found a second wind. But

781
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 2: that second win was there because Canelo wasn't fighting with

782
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 2: a killer instinct, he wasn't fighting with a posture that

783
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 2: suggested he was looking to find that that knockout and

784
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 2: find that climactic moment here, and that could have been

785
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 2: all also Luke, a fear of Gannati's punching power and

786
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 2: knowing how tough this guy is certainly could have been.

787
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 2: But I think it all conspired again to a fight

788
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 2: that like half the people weren't all that.

789
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 3: Jazz coming in and know what he was on the

790
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 3: way out.

791
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 2: And I hold up, Benavidez, talk though, until we get

792
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 2: there on what's next to Canal because more on that topic.

793
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: Okay, So I want to get to that in just

794
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: a minute. But I guess what I the thing that

795
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 1: was okay, So that's a fair response. The other part

796
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask about this was like, you know,

797
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: to what extent was it being at one sixty eight

798
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: made them both, relatively speaking, a little lethargic. I wonder

799
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: if that played a role. But let's talk about like

800
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: what's next for Canelo because here's my thing. B See,

801
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: if you look at the performance he had against Kayleb Plant,

802
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: we were there for that dude. He was hunting Kayleb

803
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: Plant like he went for it. That's why he got

804
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: to finish in round eleven because he had his foot

805
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: on the gas about it. He really wanted it. It just

806
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: seemed like he didn't want this so a, where is

807
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: Canelo going to go? In other words, as he resided

808
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 1: with Eddie Hearn, who he seems to have a great

809
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: relationship with, but like delivered on a fight where he

810
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: lost and was ultimately lackluster in the second one. Because

811
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: if he's not gonna fight Benavidez, I don't know what

812
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: the fuck he's going to do other than the BIVL rematch,

813
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: which I gotta say at this point seems like a

814
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: bad idea. I don't love that for him at all.

815
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: Lay lay out the future of Canelo here in all

816
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: those respects.

817
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the Benefitaz thing is just hovering over this.

818
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 2: He's the most deserving in the division, as you mentioned,

819
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 2: for the undisputed four belt champion, which is Canelo. Benavide's

820
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 2: former champion twice lost it because of his own wrongdoing,

821
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,919
Speaker 2: but came back in his won you know, one, big

822
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 2: fights and gotten back to it. Canello's reason, it seems,

823
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 2: for not fighting him in terms of not necessarily what

824
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,439
Speaker 2: he says, but what his actions say is well, hey,

825
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 2: how hard can we criticize this guy when he's going

826
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 2: one division higher, which is clearly we found out against

827
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 2: Bevall in the last fight. And parts of the Covi

828
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 2: Left fight, meaning it took Canelo a long time to

829
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 2: kind of really get into that fight. He had to

830
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: be careful on the outside, was that this is a

831
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 2: division that's probably one step too far from him. So shit,

832
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 2: Canelo completely focused what he said he would after the

833
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 2: fight on getting healthy and then getting back in there

834
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 2: to beat Bevall. Not only could that open up more

835
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 2: fights in that realm at one seventy five than Joe Smith.

836
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 2: Better bev winner. I mean, if he gets a chance

837
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 2: to fight for all four belts at one seventy five

838
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 2: in a division he probably shouldn't even be in. Luke,

839
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 2: it's gonna be hard to like get on him about

840
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 2: this Benavidez thing. But I did say one thing when

841
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 2: we talked about this, probably about six months ago. If

842
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 2: we get into twenty twenty three and early in the year,

843
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 2: there's no like immediate plans for Benavidez meeting, meaning let

844
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 2: me take care of Beevall first, because I'm a competitor

845
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 2: and this means a lot to me and I feel

846
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 2: like I can beat him. But as long as that,

847
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 2: you know, But hey, guys, don't worry, I'm gonna be

848
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 2: back at sixty eight to close the year. So start

849
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 2: hyping up this big Benavidez fight now, right, Mexico versus

850
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 2: Mexican American, both warriors, pure, this.

851
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 3: Is the fight.

852
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 2: You can You can say from Canelo's postfight comments about

853
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 2: Benevedez that that might not be the best look words

854
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 2: wise right now, because again actions wise, if he chases it.

855
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 3: Look, can you say he's duck in Benavidez.

856
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 2: When he's going up and wait, Luke, and potentially if

857
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 2: he keeps going there can end up fighting better beef. Dude,

858
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 2: you can't. You really can't rip him that much. But

859
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 2: I do want him to handle the topic of Benavitez appropriately.

860
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 2: So that SoundBite you talked about, I think the reason

861
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 2: why it came out extra nasty was Sean Zetel. I

862
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 2: think that's how you say his last night, he's on

863
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 2: Sean Porter's podcast, a journalist out of Las Vegas. He

864
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 2: was the one that asked it, but he asked it

865
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 2: under the guys though.

866
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: The skinny white guy that's on the program.

867
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, he asks I like that guy a lot,

868
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 2: by the way, he's real nice guy. He asked it

869
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 2: under the guys of like you've said in the past,

870
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 2: you won't fight Mexicans, so you know, like Benavide is

871
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 2: Mexican American, so will you fight him? And Canelo took

872
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 2: issue because he's trying to say, look, you can write

873
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,720
Speaker 2: whatever headlines you want. I said, I won't fight against

874
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 2: Mexico meaning the nation, because that's where who I am

875
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 2: and where I'm from. But in terms of actual opponents,

876
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck. I'll fight Benevida like I

877
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 2: don't care about him. And then Canelo went on to

878
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 2: essentially rip benevite As his resume. He's clearly upset that Benevitez,

879
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,439
Speaker 2: his father and trainer, is trashing him in the media

880
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 2: left and right, and he basically said, look, you fought

881
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 2: you know, Anthony Durell, one Champion, Like, shut the fuck up. So, Luke,

882
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 2: here's the deal. Unless I start hearing Canelo saying like, yes,

883
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 2: I will fight that guy, let me just finish this

884
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 2: off first. I'm not gonna lie. The optics are starting

885
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 2: to not look good. Even though one seventy five is

886
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 2: bigger fish to fry. Benavitez just happens to be that

887
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 2: boogeyman guy that everybody has said from the beginning. Either

888
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 2: Canelo won't fight him, or when he finally does, he's

889
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 2: gonna find real trouble because that guy's got everything that

890
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 2: the other people are missing, right size, backboat, all that stuff, skill, intention, everything.

891
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 2: If you want to start to say this is the

892
00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 2: beginning of a duck move, you can certainly find fuel there.

893
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna still hold Canelo right now to the benefit

894
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 2: of the doubt in the idea that, like the Beevall

895
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 2: fight is not easy.

896
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 3: We just saw him lose.

897
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 2: It. Is this a bad idea? Well, sometimes competitors Luke

898
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 2: have to find that out. They go back to the

899
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 2: well for a rematch and get humbled again. I'm not

900
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 2: going to be mad at him. What's your breaking point?

901
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 2: At what point are you gonna say, personally as a

902
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 2: boxing fan that like, all right, Canelo, let's take him

903
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 2: here in business now with this dude.

904
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 1: Benefit is like, it's fairly simple to understand. I mean,

905
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: I think you're right right. You can give Canelo a

906
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: more breathing room than you would another unified champ by

907
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: virtue of what else he is attempting. I fighting the

908
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: Bevoll one like you can admire the courage. It's not

909
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: like he's fighting some chump again. He's finding a guy

910
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: who beat him. Like there's something to be said for that.

911
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: But it all comes back down to the architecture of boxing.

912
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: B See, here's where I'm at, my guy Canelo, you

913
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: have all the belts at one hundred and sixty eight.

914
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: You can't have all the belts at one hundred and

915
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: sixty eight and then say I'm not going to fight

916
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: number one contenders. I yeah, Do you have to fight

917
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: David Benavidez next? No, right, I think that's fair. You

918
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 1: don't have to fight him next. I don't think. Okay,

919
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: I don't know when exactly you have to fight them,

920
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 1: but at some point if you're going to have those titles,

921
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: and those titles are not his only claim to fame,

922
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: but his current part of what makes his status what

923
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: it is, right the first guy to ever unify at

924
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,240
Speaker 1: super middleweight, at some point, dude, you got to defend

925
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: them against the most deserving people if you want to

926
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: retain them. I suppose he could give them up and

927
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: go do other things. You see, that is also his right.

928
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: He doesn't have to, but you can't keep them and

929
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: then not defend them. David Benavidez. Now, maybe here's the thing. Now,

930
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 1: maybe Canelo will change his tune if they are able

931
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: to make which, by the way, there's some beef between them.

932
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: A David Benavidez and Caleb Plant fight, Now this is

933
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,240
Speaker 1: something to be said for that. Now, maybe that changes

934
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: the game. But at some point, b see, you have

935
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: the belts, you have a responsibility to defend them.

936
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 2: Because the whole in Canelo's argument is you're saying Benavidez

937
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 2: hasn't beaten big names or accomplished much yet, how can

938
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 2: he win a title if you're holding them all. It's true,

939
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 2: but I do think the flip side of that is

940
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 2: all of these guys need to fight each other who haven't,

941
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 2: and I think that's a fair thing to say. Canelo

942
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 2: is the undisputed champion, so he's already proven dominance over

943
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 2: this division. If Benavitez, by the way, hadn't lost his

944
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: belt twice, one for drugs, one for missing wait, Canelo

945
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 2: would have already thought him to become undisputed champion in theory, right,

946
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 2: So the working theory is, okay, Benavidez, how about you

947
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 2: go out there and just take care of the business

948
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 2: of the other contenders, meaning Caleb Plant former champion who

949
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 2: you guys have had that beef. I think if Benavidez

950
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 2: does that, you know, his next big fight, then there'd

951
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 2: be no argument. And if Canelo didn't respond after that

952
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 2: by setting up the groundwork for a fight, then it's

953
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 2: full on duck. And I don't think Canelo actually fears him.

954
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 2: I think Canelo's just pissed off that his dad's running

955
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 2: his mouth.

956
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 3: I do think Canelo recognized it's going to be a

957
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 3: very tough challenge.

958
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: I just want to be careful that we don't wait

959
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: too long, because you know, I watched Canelo wait out

960
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 2: Triple G for a year and a half to two

961
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 2: years so that he would you know, thirty six by

962
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 2: the time they fought, so you know, I saw him

963
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 2: wait four more years for this fight. Although I don't

964
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 2: think he was waiting Triple G out this time. I

965
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 2: think he just didn't care about the fighter want it,

966
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 2: but des own the fans. Boxing kind of made it

967
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 2: happen again. No no, no, you know, no no follow there.

968
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: And also b C hold On, I understand Canelo's point

969
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: a little bit when he's like, look at the status.

970
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 1: He didn't say this exactly, but this is basically his argument.

971
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,760
Speaker 1: Look at the status I have achieved by all my accomplishments.

972
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: Look at the status that David Benavitez has achieved by

973
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: virtue of his accomplishments. There's a massive gap there. So

974
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: for me to award this guy a fight, he has

975
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 1: much more to gain than I do. That's a fact.

976
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 1: I understand that that's utterly reasonable. But if you don't

977
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: want to fight him, you can't just have the titles.

978
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: They're not yours to keep in perpetuity. They are if

979
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: there's an architecture in place by which they have to

980
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: be maintained. If you want to be part of that,

981
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: then you've got to honor it or just drop the

982
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: belt and then do what you want. Either way, I

983
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: won't judge, but I just can't stand someone sitting on

984
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: the title and then not defending, and of course, you

985
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: know adventure. This is.

986
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 2: Why we got so outraged when the WBC started this

987
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 2: bullshit super Champion status, which basically was set up for Canelo,

988
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 2: knowing he's a massive star, knowing he jumps around in divisions.

989
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 2: It's basically saying we love you so much, you bring

990
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 2: us so much money and attention. We don't even care

991
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 2: if you can't paign in this division, You'll always be

992
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 2: our champion. I mean, you know it doesn't mandatories aren't

993
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 2: affected by it.

994
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 3: It's just absolute trash.

995
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 2: But the reason why I'm being so critical about this

996
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 2: to close on this is because Canelo has won our

997
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 2: respect over so huge over the things he's done the

998
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 2: past couple of years, in the way he's carried himself

999
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 2: that I want to talk about him like he's a badass,

1000
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 2: because he is. You know, I want to argue for

1001
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 2: his pomper poundship because whether it's the fans or his

1002
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 2: commitment to his legacy like he always delivered, or making

1003
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 2: big fights, he always seems to deliver.

1004
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 3: But he's not getting any younger.

1005
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 2: So if I don't hear him start recognizing that this

1006
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 2: is there's a fight out there that the fans think

1007
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 2: you need to take, then I you know, I'm gonna

1008
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 2: turn and I don't want to, so, you know what

1009
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I want to have that same respect for him. So,

1010
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 2: but it is a business, and going to one seventy

1011
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 2: five and fighting for titles is not easy. Luke. If

1012
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 2: he beats let's say he out boxes Bevall on the

1013
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 2: rematch or whatever. Let's say he wins it, there's you know,

1014
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 2: I mean, could you deny him the chance at going

1015
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 2: up to fight better be for all four belts? I

1016
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 2: mean that that that's a crazy ass tough fight.

1017
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: It would be amazing. Last question on this, and then

1018
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: I promised, before our audience has a mutiny, we will

1019
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:34,399
Speaker 1: get to the UFC stuff. In terms of Triple G, Dude,

1020
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 1: he looked in the Maradi fight, he looked old, but

1021
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: then had a much better rally and he had a

1022
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: bit of a rally here, but it was way too little,

1023
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: way too late. He indicated he wanted to keep boxing.

1024
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: I'm sure he could still beat some guys. But I

1025
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 1: got to tell you, man, that was not an inspiring

1026
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: perform I was the first time I was like, wow,

1027
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,720
Speaker 1: he looks old. What do you think will or should

1028
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: be next for Triple G?

1029
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 2: I think you should retire. But you know, he gave

1030
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 2: that speech. He was like almost like a one liner

1031
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 2: he threw out there of like you know, I know,

1032
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 2: you know, he did the whole bit, but the whole

1033
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 2: speech was like I'm still the unified champion in this

1034
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 2: other division where I've only lost once and that's to

1035
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 2: this guy or this you know, all time great right here.

1036
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 2: So I just think he in his mind for whatever reason,

1037
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 2: whether it's the competitor in him, or whether he realizes

1038
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 2: even if I go out there and lose two more

1039
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 2: times in super big fights, the pay days will be big,

1040
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 2: you know.

1041
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 3: I mean, he made twenty what do you make twenty

1042
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 3: million for this?

1043
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 2: He's maybe he finally at the end of his career

1044
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 2: started making big time money. I don't could he go

1045
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 2: in there against these the remaining middleweight studs. He hasn't

1046
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 2: faced guys like Jamal Charlo, right, guys potentially Demetris Andred

1047
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 2: although he moved up to one sixty eight, And can

1048
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 2: he have the type of fights where yeah, he's gonna

1049
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 2: be slower and he's gonna have to take on big damage,

1050
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 2: but you know, he lingers and fights and could he

1051
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 2: get a knockout? Yeah he could. He could have that

1052
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 2: repeat against Marada in theory, but Marda is also not

1053
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 2: a puncher. And some of these guys, you know, I mean,

1054
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 2: if he gets the best version of Jamal Charlow, that

1055
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 2: could kick his ass.

1056
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: Luke so badly, you know.

1057
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 2: And I think that's why these scores being closer than

1058
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 2: they should have been, you know, eight rounds to four,

1059
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 2: seven rounds to five twice, which was not the fight

1060
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 2: we saw, even with Canelo taking his foot off the gas,

1061
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 2: even with this comeback, which was triple g actually just

1062
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 2: sticking to the game plan because now he wasn't getting

1063
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 2: countered is clean anymore, and he just kind of went

1064
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 2: for it. Okay, he didn't brawl, but he kind of

1065
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,919
Speaker 2: went for it, even with that as being fool's gold

1066
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 2: to him.

1067
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 3: He has to know, Luke, that there's there's not a

1068
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 3: ton left.

1069
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 2: I hope he knows that. I hope this is more

1070
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 2: financial thinking. You know, you know, maybe I can beat

1071
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 2: these guys like a charlow, but it's a big fight.

1072
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 2: I'll make a lot of money on the way out.

1073
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 2: I'm thinking he's trying to be strategic here, Luke, but

1074
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 2: you know he can't look at this and go, Okay,

1075
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 2: that's Canelo and I rallied in almost one.

1076
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 3: No, you didn't, you didn't.

1077
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 2: You didn't. You didn't rally And I know a lot

1078
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 2: of people are coming back at Mebcre. You listen too

1079
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 2: hard to the designed team. They were only focused on Canal.

1080
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 2: They were kind of only focused on Canal with you

1081
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 2: with that, But that didn't manipulate my score. You know,

1082
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 2: I saw what I saw, Luke, what did you see?

1083
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 2: What was your score?

1084
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 3: Loosely roughly watching that ten rounds to two?

1085
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gave. I gave generously. I gave Triple G

1086
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: three three, three rounds, but that, you know two, I

1087
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: think you've got two clear rounds and I was sort

1088
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: of being generous about one of them. Uh, that's it.

1089
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: I mean it was a clear to me. Canelo won

1090
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 1: that one easily, easily, but not a fun fight. All right.

1091
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: With that in mind, BC, let's talk a little UFC

1092
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: if we can here, all right, topic number three. So

1093
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 1: the biggest fight of the weekend, of course was Triple

1094
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: G Canelo three, but that was in the boxing side.

1095
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: On the MMA side, the UFC held a show back

1096
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 1: at the Apex in the bantamwey division. Was the main event,

1097
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 1: Cordy Sandhagen getting back in the win column finally with

1098
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,280
Speaker 1: a win over song You Dong. Now it was stopped

1099
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 1: I think just before the fifth round due to a

1100
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: massive cut over the left eye slash eyebrow area of

1101
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: Song You Dong. BC I have a few takeaways myself,

1102
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: but let's start with you. Your biggest takeaway from Corey Sanhagen

1103
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: getting this victory is what.

1104
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 2: Uh not to panic, That's what he's still of this ilk.

1105
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 2: He went back to the to the uh the lab

1106
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 2: retooled a bit. This fight was never gonna be easy, right.

1107
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 2: I think collectively our prediction was basically, it's gonna be

1108
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 2: a real fight.

1109
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 3: He's gonna have to go through some heck.

1110
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 2: But we think experience wise, we think what's still left

1111
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 2: in him can get him not only to a victory,

1112
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 2: maybe even a stoppage. Now, I know the stoppage was

1113
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 2: a different kind because of the blood, but you know,

1114
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 2: he's still opened that cut. He's still the reason for

1115
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 2: the stud for that cut that that brought him here. Look,

1116
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 2: I saw a reformed mentally, physically, emotionally fighter who is

1117
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 2: ready to get himself back into a title fight, and

1118
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 2: I think we will see him there again. This was

1119
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 2: the type of test he needed to pass and the

1120
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 2: way he did. And I'm not gonna look at you

1121
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 2: know that just because that the some of the two

1122
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 2: of the three judges had it two to two going

1123
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,959
Speaker 2: into the fifth, that that that says anything bad about

1124
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 2: where he was here. Luke, I liked a lot of

1125
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 2: what he did out there on Saturday, But the people

1126
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 2: want to know, Luke, the hell do you think?

1127
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 1: I thought this was a very important performance for Cory Sanhagen.

1128
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: I liked a lot of what I saw. I want

1129
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,240
Speaker 1: to be very clear, I mostly have very positive feelings.

1130
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: And I understand what he said after the fight, meaning like, hey,

1131
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: I want to find a guy who's ranked, you know,

1132
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: more highly, even above me, because in this fight, I

1133
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: think he was ranked fourth and Song of Dong was

1134
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 1: much lower. I forget what the rankings were actually, I

1135
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: can pull them up here very quickly. I think he

1136
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 1: was somewhere in like the ten region. So at bansamweight. Yeah,

1137
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: Song of Dong was ten, and you had Cory sana

1138
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 1: Haagen at four. So that will change at some point,

1139
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: I supposed today in one way or the other. So

1140
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 1: I understand that all understandable. The good, the very good

1141
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: thing that I saw was there was a lot of

1142
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 1: really important parts of the things that were weak in

1143
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: his game that he cleaned up. Number one, he didn't

1144
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: get hit nearly as much. Songa Dong still landed some

1145
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: big shots Kory Sana Haagen has a tremendous chin, but

1146
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: you saw him blocking a lot more. The first part

1147
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: that I noticed, right, Yodong would make contact, but he

1148
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: wasn't able to reck meaningly break through with his tremendous

1149
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: athleticism and his tremendous power very often like that number two.

1150
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: The takedowns from Corey Sanagen, most of them were stuffed.

1151
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: But you saw the commentary team talk about it early

1152
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: in the fight about how it was, you know, creating

1153
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: problems for anticipating the offense from san Haagen, and I

1154
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: thought that was real. And then, by the way, in

1155
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: that fourth round, he not only gets the takedown against

1156
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: the fence, he's able to move an advance position on top,

1157
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: and that to me was big. I was like, wow, okay,

1158
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: really love this. I thought that at times when he

1159
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: was taken down, you saw him scoot back to the

1160
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 1: cage to get back up. Now there were still sometimes

1161
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: he was giving up his back a little bit. Maybe

1162
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: that was coordinated because he thought that, you know, Songa

1163
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: Don is not necessarily going to be the guy who

1164
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 1: can take advantage of those positions fair enough. That is

1165
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: utterly reasonable. Didn't love that he was giving up his

1166
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: back or showing his back cause them like, again, I

1167
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 1: do that against al Jamn Sterling and it's over for you.

1168
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: But in this case it was not cataclysmic. So I

1169
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: like that. Even though he brought in Ryan Hall, who's

1170
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: obviously a tremendous you know, grappling instructor, fighter, trainer whatever, himself,

1171
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,760
Speaker 1: you didn't see one of the big problems from Corey Sanhagan.

1172
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: Previously he would roll for underneath for you know, knee

1173
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: bars and leglocks that would get stuffed or you know,

1174
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: even if he was able to hurt TJ. Dillashaw, it

1175
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: just didn't really meaningfully put him in winning positions over

1176
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: the course of the fight. He was abandoning those in

1177
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: large part, which I thought was great. And by the way,

1178
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: Ryan Hall, just because he's good at leglocks doesn't mean

1179
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: he's going to advise them in all scenarios. He probably

1180
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: was like, Hey, we'll go for them in these scenarios

1181
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,479
Speaker 1: and if they don't present themselves, let's do the other parts.

1182
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: So there was a lot to like from all of that.

1183
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: The only thing I would say is the Cheeto verified

1184
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: to me is the one that makes sense. I think

1185
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: that one of the things that got san Haagen in

1186
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: trouble in that losing chapter that he would just you know,

1187
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: put behind him a little bit, was that he was

1188
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,919
Speaker 1: really eager to move to the top. He was number

1189
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: one contender, fight against Algie main Sterling and let's get

1190
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: back against Yan and let's let's go fight t J. Delashaw,

1191
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: And it showed that his game was still in development.

1192
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 1: What I would say to u BC is for all

1193
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: the things that I love that he cleaned up, and

1194
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: there was a lot, that process to me is not over.

1195
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: That cleanup process is still in motion. What I would

1196
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,399
Speaker 1: say is I don't wish for him to rush back,

1197
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: like if he fights Cheetoh in wins, you know, and

1198
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: it's a quick fight, which is unlikely because Cheetoh is durable.

1199
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: As you know old shoe Leather. I still would want

1200
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: to see him fight yet another one before jumping back

1201
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: into the title. That reformation of his game still is

1202
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: in process.

1203
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 2: Wow, that was the perfect example of our show. You know,

1204
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 2: I got a little too excited. You're ringing me back in,

1205
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 2: But I think you're right in the points that you caution.

1206
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 2: Like the thing I've never loved about his game is

1207
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 2: almost like that, Like you go to a restaurant, you know,

1208
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 2: it's like a kitchen or what's that? What's that Gordon

1209
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 2: Ramsey show where he tears up the restaurant, Luke and

1210
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 2: yells at everybody, Oh, that's probably every show is on.

1211
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 2: It's not kitchen nightmares.

1212
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: Maybe nightmares or yeah you kitchen or whatever it's going.

1213
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 3: Oh fuck you kitchen.

1214
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 2: There you go. You know, inevitably, the answer outside of

1215
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 2: get rid of all the expired stuff from your freezer,

1216
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 2: the answer is, typically your menu has four hundred items

1217
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 2: on it, like, get that down to about seven and

1218
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,879
Speaker 2: make them really well right. I think sometimes I see

1219
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 2: a Corey Sanhagen who has too many options, is too

1220
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 2: smart for his own good, and is always trying to

1221
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:33,280
Speaker 2: flow and react, and sometimes Luke, he's you know, waiting

1222
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 2: too long to react. The decisiveness of the decision making

1223
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 2: I thought was a key part of this, where even

1224
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 2: though there was a lot of movement switching stances, I

1225
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 2: felt like he was in better control of what he

1226
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 2: wanted to do. Love the offensive wrestling. No, it wasn't perfect,

1227
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 2: but at least he's back in the right direction, so

1228
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 2: I still think he can get back into another title fight,

1229
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 2: and it showed us that because largely he looked at

1230
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 2: song Ya Dong, who is still impressive and dangerous and explosive,

1231
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 2: and he saw that you know, do your Dong is

1232
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 2: still far from a finished product. He's still too one

1233
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 2: dimensional as an aggressive striker. I think he'll get there

1234
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 2: and get a lot better, but for right now, I

1235
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 2: think Sanhagan really leaned on that experience edge and it

1236
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 2: took him to where he needed to be, which was

1237
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 2: either ahead like he was on my card, or going

1238
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 2: into the fifth fight round even with a chance to

1239
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,959
Speaker 2: win it. But you know that didn't matter, Luke, because

1240
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 2: he was vicious with with with that switch to the

1241
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 2: lead elbow very often. It was almost like he was

1242
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 2: using it like a jab every time your Dong was

1243
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 2: getting in close. And this was a good version of

1244
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 2: San Haagan, Luke, this was a very good one.

1245
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: But he looked sharp. And again I thought that like

1246
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: it clearly showed that they game planned well. They knew

1247
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: what they were up against with this opponent, and they

1248
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 1: had a lot of really smart and again not because

1249
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 1: San Haagen, to your point, he just kind of flows

1250
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 1: and goes to me. They dial that back. Let's take

1251
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: what you're good at. Let's take what you're good at

1252
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: what matters against this opponent, and let's stick to that,

1253
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: which I thought was absolutely the right call. Again, he

1254
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: cleaned up so much. I see people being like, oh,

1255
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: san Haagan should go to one forty five, and I

1256
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: don't understand that at all. When you look at this

1257
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 1: fight between Sanagan and you Doong, which you really begin

1258
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: to realize is that and something I say every Friday

1259
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: when we do PICKSB see, skills win fights. Skills win fights.

1260
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: When you really get to the top, skills win fights.

1261
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: Look at this scenario, like Songa Doong is much more

1262
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: powerful than Corey Sanhagen. He's much you know, more athletic,

1263
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: I would argue, at least in terms of like the

1264
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: physical force that he can generate, his explosivity, his speed.

1265
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: He's much more of a dynamic athlete than Sanhagen in

1266
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: that regard. And Sanagen, you heard Dean Thomas, the punches

1267
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: in the kicks couldn't quite get Songya Doong off of him,

1268
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: But it was the overall other choices and skills that

1269
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: he has that he could go to that ended up

1270
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: making the difference. If you've gotten not like power problems

1271
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: per se at one thirty five. But you know your

1272
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: power is not like super remarkable. What do you think

1273
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: is gonna happen when you go to forty five? It's

1274
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: not going to be any better. I realize he's got

1275
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: a long in that way, but to me, he is

1276
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: highly skilled. He is obviously a very good athlete in

1277
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: his own regard. He has no cardio issues at all,

1278
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: He's very durable. And if he keeps cleaning up these deficiencies,

1279
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 1: and I think simplify, not like make it stupid, but

1280
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: simplify his game a little bit. I think he could

1281
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: be champion in this lo Is there room for.

1282
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 3: More offensive wrestling in his game?

1283
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 2: I want to say yes, but you're also asking him

1284
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 2: to be, you know, elite at every single skill across

1285
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 2: the board. But I think even if he firmly established

1286
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 2: the threat of a takedown better, it would only open

1287
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 2: up even more lanes for his creative striking.

1288
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: See I'm glad you brought that up. I was blown

1289
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: away how good his offensive wrestling was here. And I

1290
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: know that the stats will show that Songya Doong stuffed

1291
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: the vast majority of them, but the fact that he

1292
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: overtook him late and then kept him down for a while.

1293
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: To me was big because that's a much stronger guy

1294
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: you're going against. So I really appreciated that. But to me,

1295
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: the big question is not that that's an interesting, fun

1296
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: and very important wrinkle that he added to his game.

1297
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 1: But to me, it's going to be the defensive wrestling

1298
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: that he has to show, breaking contact like TJ. Dilshaw

1299
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 1: was able to just hold him against the cage. Defensive wrestling,

1300
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: breaking contact, and scrambling. Those are going to be the

1301
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: three big things that I'm looking for because again, even

1302
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: in this case, again it could have been a very

1303
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: calculated move that they knew he was not so much

1304
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 1: going to be a threat from the back that they

1305
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 1: were able to create or just to give him back

1306
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: exposure and then not really worry about the consequences. But

1307
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: against other guys in this division, Yon and Sterling and

1308
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: de Lashaw, you absolutely cannot do that. You cannot do that.

1309
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: So to me, this is what I'm talking about about

1310
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 1: rebuilding some of the other parts of his game that

1311
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: have been a little bit not not ideally suited. I

1312
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 1: want to see how is scrambling improves, which, by the way,

1313
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 1: it was better here his defensive wrestling. I guess we

1314
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: didn't see a whole lot of it here to get

1315
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 1: a better clear sense, but also breaking contact, not guys

1316
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 1: who necessarily want to take him down, the guys who

1317
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 1: want to stifle him. That's what he did to song

1318
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: Ya Doong those early takedowns. What is he trying to do.

1319
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 1: He's just trying to put blood in the arm of

1320
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: song it On. He's just trying to wear him down,

1321
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 1: get him to get the arms heavy and so that

1322
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: when you have to strike with this guy it's a

1323
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: little bit easier to do later on. Fair enough, what's

1324
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: gonna happen when someone does that to him for extended periods.

1325
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: He needs to be able to This is the other

1326
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: part too. He has to be able to physically be

1327
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: more of a presence in these fights, not so much

1328
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 1: against this guy who is really really, really powerful, but

1329
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: against other guys like TJ. Dillashaw, a little bit more powerful,

1330
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 1: a little bit more dynamic of a physical force. He's

1331
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 1: got all the skills, he's smart as shit, he knows

1332
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 1: what he's doing. But let's bring some of those other

1333
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 1: forces to bear.

1334
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 3: Of ten second divergence here.

1335
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 2: You know, I often like to fantasize about the idea

1336
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 2: of can that guy dunk a basketball? The sandman five

1337
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 2: foot eleven, good athlete, lanky Luke, does he put the

1338
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 2: ball above the rim?

1339
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 1: Ooh? So, I definitely think he could touch the rim.

1340
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: I think he can touch the rim.

1341
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 3: I mean I could touch the rim the bottom of

1342
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 3: the rim.

1343
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 2: I could barely six one and a half to be fair, Luke,

1344
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 2: but people are surprised at how cocks I am when

1345
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 2: I stand up when they meet me the first time. Loving.

1346
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 1: Yes, that is true. I get that a lot too,

1347
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: but you get it as well. People are surprised that

1348
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: we're well above the six foot club.

1349
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 2: Well, I was gonna mention here, Luke, that it was

1350
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 2: great to see the just bleed guy who once did

1351
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 2: time in prison get a job as the ringside doctor

1352
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 2: for this card, because that guy loves people fighting with

1353
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 2: you know, cuts the size of the Grand Canyon there.

1354
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 2: I do want to say this that even though I

1355
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 2: think Song you Dong hit an early sort of ceiling

1356
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 2: at where his game is at against the elite, is

1357
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 2: that unfair because two of the three judges had it

1358
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 2: too two going to the fifth probably, But I think

1359
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 2: even with the scoring that close. I like San Jaggan's

1360
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:43,919
Speaker 2: work overall better. I think this was the perfect test

1361
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 2: in the end for Song Because no, he didn't win,

1362
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 2: there is something to be said about the scores and

1363
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 2: the timing of the stoppage and Luke with a really

1364
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 2: bad cut that affected his vision, he was an effective warrior.

1365
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 2: I mean I know once he got in his back

1366
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 2: that was going to bring an end to it, rightfully so,

1367
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 2: and yeah, I wanted I wanted the case side doctor

1368
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 2: and stop this a few times as I did a

1369
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 2: couple of these fights because it was getting narle in there.

1370
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 2: I was really impressed by his intangibles that really lead

1371
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 2: me to believe that the more Song and Dong takes

1372
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 2: on tough fights and continues to work at it, Dude's

1373
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 2: gonna be something big.

1374
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: Luke.

1375
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 2: I still feel that were you were you were you

1376
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 2: feeling anything? I tend to feel more than you, Luke.

1377
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 1: I tend to be twenty four years old. I mean

1378
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: he's twenty four years old.

1379
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 3: Dude, He's going to be very good. He can be

1380
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 3: a great five Luke.

1381
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 1: Yes, he needs to avoid damage. And again there's to me,

1382
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 1: it's like athletically, Song and Dong has he's good to go, like,

1383
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 1: he's more than ready to Uh. He has everything he

1384
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 1: needs in that particular category. The question is does he

1385
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: have enough of the skills that he needs to, you know,

1386
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: really battle the guys in the top five. Not yet,

1387
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 1: not yet. But to your point, twenty four years old

1388
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: trains with a good team. I just feel like he

1389
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 1: needs to manage this next stage of his careerquet you've

1390
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 1: tasted what it's like to fight the top five guys

1391
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 1: and you found yourself wanting. But there were some positives

1392
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 1: for him as well. How do we balance out this

1393
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 1: equation to make it a little bit more of a

1394
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 1: winning formula? And I think that he has plenty of

1395
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 1: time to get there, but not taking a shitload of damage.

1396
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 1: He has to really not just like lacerations. I mean,

1397
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 1: don't get hit, don't get beat up, don't accumulate this

1398
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 1: wear and tear if you don't have to, and he'll

1399
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: really be on his way. He's got a bright future

1400
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 1: as well. It just wasn't his day on Saturday. Cory

1401
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: san Higgen is just much much, much more skilled. And

1402
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 1: I know it sounds b see like I'm beating up

1403
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: on Corey a little bit or maybe it does. I'm

1404
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 1: not sure, but I just want to be clear. What

1405
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 1: he's good at is championship good. What he's good at

1406
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 1: is that fucking good. So the reason why I'm kind

1407
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 1: of harping on him is because I love that portion

1408
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 1: of his game. I want to make sure that the

1409
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 1: deficiencies which every fighter has don't hold him back from

1410
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 1: what I think is to bring it up all the time.

1411
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 1: His ubl his upper bound limit. His upper bound limit

1412
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 1: to me is championship level. I don't want to see

1413
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 1: the other parts of his game drag him down. If

1414
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 1: that can all be avoided, that's all. Now, let's stick

1415
01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: with him a little bit, but talk about the bantamway

1416
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:01,479
Speaker 1: division a little bit more broadly. BC. We talked about

1417
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 1: it before, it seems like and he called him out

1418
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:05,479
Speaker 1: and you can understand it. I want to talk about

1419
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 1: it first, but then I want to talk about the

1420
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 1: rest of that division. Is the next logical fight for

1421
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 1: you and for the UFC, is it gonna be sand

1422
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 1: Haagen versus Cheeto Vera, And if so, walk me through

1423
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 1: what that fight looks like to you.

1424
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 2: Yes.

1425
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 3: Yes, First of all, great fight.

1426
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 1: By the way, they didn't put it on the they

1427
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 1: didn't show.

1428
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 2: It there, but this is topic for seriously among the

1429
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 2: list of the fights you can make in the division

1430
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 2: and even abroad, that would get me very excited because

1431
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 2: of the contrast and styles and temperament and everything here.

1432
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 2: I think this is the level that Corey deserves.

1433
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 3: After such a tough win.

1434
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 2: And he called for it, and and uh, Cheeto was

1435
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 2: in attendance, and seems like, yeah, motherfucker, let's do it.

1436
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 2: So what is it gonna look like? That's gonna be

1437
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 2: the key because Luke Sanagan needs to you know, talking

1438
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 2: we talked about the spark, seemed like it was back here,

1439
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 2: meaning that the quick uh, the quick adjustments, the quick

1440
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 2: decision making. Certainly opponents are different, song your dong is

1441
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 2: still a little bit more about force than than strategy

1442
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 2: at this point. It will be different against other guys,

1443
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 2: but he's gonna have to make quick decisions against Cheeto

1444
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 2: because Cheeto Cheeto comes at you with with very devastating

1445
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 2: hidden strikes. I want, I do need san Hagan to

1446
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 2: be the aggressor, though I need him to set the

1447
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 2: tone offensively here, Luke, I need him to be honest toes.

1448
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 3: You gotta be daring, but you got to be constantly moving.

1449
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 2: I'd be very interested to see what what the what

1450
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 2: it looks like in Ton, because Cheeto can be a

1451
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 2: late starter once he sort of settles in, reads you

1452
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 2: and then sees the openings where he can land damage.

1453
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 2: I think Corey's got to try to extend that as

1454
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 2: long as he can. Try to make, you know, obviously,

1455
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 2: try to make it as hard as possible for Cheeto

1456
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 2: to figure him out. He has that right game for it.

1457
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 2: But you know, you can also be too too dynamic

1458
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 2: and too you know, too much variety. Uh, temperament will

1459
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 2: be key, Luke, because I do you do need him

1460
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 2: to take chances in this fight to win. If he's

1461
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 2: going to win, he he's going to have to hurt

1462
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 2: Cheeto before he gets hurt essentially, is what I'm really

1463
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 2: trying to say. But good luck is the best way

1464
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 2: to say that. Absolutely.

1465
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. See this is the part to me which is

1466
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 1: an interesting fight. Corey has, I think, is more well

1467
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 1: rounded probably right, I think certainly in the striking department,

1468
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 1: he has more tools that he goes to more regularly.

1469
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 1: Cheeto Vera is a fucking deceptively tough customer. I mean,

1470
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 1: everyone gives him his props. Let's talk about it for

1471
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 1: a second. He is durable as shit, and he is

1472
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,439
Speaker 1: better in the fifth round by a mile than the first.

1473
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 1: And go back to what Dean Thomas said. Now, Cheeto

1474
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 1: Vera and Songodong are different fighters, but the thing he

1475
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 1: goes back to is that he couldn't get Songa Doong

1476
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 1: off of him by virtue of the power of his strikes.

1477
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 1: Now that the elbows disciplined him, for sure, but the

1478
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 1: punches and the kicks didn't necessarily do that. If you

1479
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 1: have trouble keeping Cheeto Vera again, he's not going to

1480
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 1: walk you down the same way. But if you have

1481
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 1: trouble like really landing on him and really hurting him

1482
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 1: and deterring him, guy is gonna be a fucking nightmare

1483
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 1: in the fourth and fifth rounds, just no doubt about it.

1484
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 1: And by the way, if San Haagan and Cheeto Vera fight,

1485
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 1: that's got to be a five round fight. It got

1486
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 1: to be a five round fight. You cannot do that

1487
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 1: in three rounds. That would be an absolute travesty to

1488
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 1: have that three round contest. So this is what I mean,

1489
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 1: This is what I This is the part I really

1490
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 1: liked about San Haagan. He simplified some of his game,

1491
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 1: but then added some other dimensions, particularly in this case,

1492
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 1: the offensive wrestling, or at a bare minimum, the threat

1493
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 1: of offensive wrestling. I think he's gonna have to do that.

1494
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 1: If skills win fights, he's gonna have to show more

1495
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 1: in the totality of the MMA game to keep Cheeto

1496
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 1: vera off balance, out of his rhythm, off of him

1497
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 1: turning right, just a step behind everything that he's doing.

1498
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,440
Speaker 1: That can only be done, I think very effectively. Ort least,

1499
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 1: I think fairly to Cheeto. We can only get a

1500
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 1: real answer to that question. As a better way to

1501
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 1: put it, perhaps in a five round contest than a three. Now,

1502
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 1: if you want to add something, I want to talk

1503
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 1: about the ring.

1504
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 3: No, yeah, I wanted to add that.

1505
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 2: It's we're talking where the things that we're asking of

1506
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 2: san Hagan potentially in this fight with this type of

1507
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 2: game plan thinking about it is, you know, we want

1508
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 2: him to threat the takedown established that we wanted to

1509
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 2: have a high motor here. We already know he has

1510
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 2: great stamina, but are we really asking him to weaponize it?

1511
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, Luke, is that the

1512
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 2: best way to offset So we need him to add

1513
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:24,679
Speaker 2: in more things that they said rightly on the broadcast

1514
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:26,559
Speaker 2: about you know, he's got to be able to hurt

1515
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 2: the opponent to keep him off from no question, but

1516
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:31,760
Speaker 2: when the power isn't working, I think the best way

1517
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:35,719
Speaker 2: to get around that is activity and constant pressure.

1518
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 3: Do you need him to weaponize his cardio more?

1519
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 1: Luke, you're talking about chto or Corey Corey. I think

1520
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 1: his activity is not the issue. In fact, in fact,

1521
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 1: they might well it's the opposite. It kind of is

1522
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 1: the issue. Here's here's just the reality.

1523
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 2: Well, I'm saying how he uses the pressure. He uses

1524
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:54,600
Speaker 2: the pressure to always be in a great spot to

1525
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:56,720
Speaker 2: land a creative strike. But I almost need him to

1526
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:58,679
Speaker 2: use the pressure as a weapon. And that's where mixing

1527
01:08:58,720 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 2: and takedown is going to be a big part of that.

1528
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 1: Yes that I agree with, Yes one, I think that's right.

1529
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 1: I think that you know, and I think he would say,

1530
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 1: like insparring, I hurt and drop guys, fair enough, but

1531
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 1: the guys that you face insparring that ain't Cheeto Vera.

1532
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:19,799
Speaker 1: Bro Like Cheeto Vera went the distance with John Lineker

1533
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 1: and I think even won the last round. You know,

1534
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:24,640
Speaker 1: this guy's ability to stand up to power and to

1535
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 1: body strikes is next fucking level. He is not just

1536
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 1: having a good chin. He is just undeterred by pain

1537
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 1: like he doesn't He doesn't make uh you know, fatigue

1538
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 1: and pain make people make accommodated decisions. Oh I'm not

1539
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 1: going to put out as much effort. I'm gonna lean

1540
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 1: over because my my ribs hurt or whatever. They don't

1541
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 1: do that to Cheeto. He doesn't make any accommodations. He

1542
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 1: has good cardio, he's well trained, and his ability to

1543
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:53,679
Speaker 1: endure suffering without it affecting that. That's what well always

1544
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:55,800
Speaker 1: go back to. We talk about it with Nogera. Oh

1545
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 1: he doesn't you know, he doesn't like getting punched in

1546
01:09:58,080 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 1: the face. People would say about brock Lesner, and then

1547
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 1: someone would respond, well, nobody does, right. But here's the difference. No,

1548
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 1: Gara doesn't lose or in his prime anyway, didn't lose composure.

1549
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 1: He would hit him and he would just still be

1550
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:12,320
Speaker 1: the same guy. Cheeto Vera is that he does not

1551
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:16,959
Speaker 1: lose composure over time due to pain and suffering and fatigue.

1552
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 1: It doesn't affect him in the same kind of way.

1553
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 1: He is a fucking cyborg. As a result, and so

1554
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 1: these on the one hand, I think Corey needs to

1555
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 1: simplify his striking. On the other hand, these other portions

1556
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 1: of the game, bringing them up to the level of

1557
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:35,880
Speaker 1: his striking, that is gonna be critical. You really gotta

1558
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 1: you gotta, you gotta off balance Cheeto. You gotta make

1559
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:41,760
Speaker 1: him second guess because if he's in a rhythm and

1560
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 1: he's marching on you, not a lot of bands and

1561
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:47,679
Speaker 1: weights are gonna be able to stand to that pressure contest.

1562
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 2: He's also a cobra where he just he can go

1563
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 2: from zero to devastating strike and very you know, very

1564
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 2: quick ways. He's deceptive, like you said, in that way,

1565
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 2: and powerful as shit. That is a great fight. In fact,

1566
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:00,719
Speaker 2: let's not create it the other scenarios.

1567
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 1: Look, let's just make it okay, So let me talk

1568
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 1: about the rest of the division that please'd be great. Yes,

1569
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 1: I'll let you. I'll let him know. So let's talk

1570
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:09,680
Speaker 1: about the rest of this division here a little bit.

1571
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 1: The next pay per view is not until next month,

1572
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 1: but here on that one you have Sean O'Malley taking

1573
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:17,640
Speaker 1: on pod Yan is widely expected to win that, but

1574
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 1: Mma is crazy and Shawn O'Malley has, by the way,

1575
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 1: the highest HOLDO.

1576
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,960
Speaker 2: What why he's widely expected to win that you don't know,

1577
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 2: you know that's presumptive from your the odds.

1578
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:32,839
Speaker 1: You'll see what the odds makers have to say about.

1579
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 3: Bell wildly expected, Like really, I think.

1580
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 1: There's widely widely widely.

1581
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm offended by both.

1582
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:41,719
Speaker 3: Luke, she's just big boned.

1583
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:47,599
Speaker 1: What sorry, sorry, he's saying stupid shit.

1584
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 2: That you're coming with me down that hallway apparently I'm alone. Yeah. Yeah,

1585
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 2: you're run a college party, Luke, and you accidentally stumble

1586
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 2: into the powder room and you're like, ah, sorry guys, yeah, yeah.

1587
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:00,479
Speaker 1: Uh. For some reason, I don't I don't see these

1588
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 1: odds on best Fight odds. Let me pull up the odds.

1589
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 1: Let's see UFC too, eighty odds. I want to see

1590
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 1: what the odds makers have to say. I don't think

1591
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 1: I'm crazy on that, but I could be. All right,

1592
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 1: here we go. Let's see UFC two eighty. Most places

1593
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 1: have Yan as a substantial favorite. Our friends over at

1594
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 1: Caesars I don't see here, but Draft Kings, for whatever

1595
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 1: that is worth, has him at a minus three point

1596
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:25,800
Speaker 1: eighty yon. That's the biggest favorite on the card except

1597
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 1: for Mohammed makayav Ok Malcolm Gordon.

1598
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 2: While I'm not going to act like that's that line

1599
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 2: doesn't say something, it certainly does. It speaks to what

1600
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 2: we haven't seen from O'Malley. But I don't I don't

1601
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 2: agree with you that widely people despite those odds that

1602
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:44,600
Speaker 2: people are entering this thinking, oh, yeah, Yan's got this.

1603
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 2: I mean, I've heard that there's a you know, O'Malley's

1604
01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 2: a polarizing individual. Yan has more experience and might be

1605
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 2: just more devastating in certain categories of course, But dude,

1606
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 2: O'Malley's got a chance to raise that game right along

1607
01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 2: up with him when you take on better competition, Luke,

1608
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:01,480
Speaker 2: that happens certainly, certainly.

1609
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:02,760
Speaker 1: In the case, and I can't remember. I don't believe

1610
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:04,599
Speaker 1: it's a five round fight. I believe it's three rounds,

1611
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 1: So that might change the equation. I could be wrong.

1612
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 1: I have to double check that. You can get wrong

1613
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:09,559
Speaker 1: me if I am. But like you know, we all

1614
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:12,800
Speaker 1: know Yan starts slowly and whatnot. But dude, like the

1615
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:15,680
Speaker 1: two times that Seawn Omalley has really leveled up in competition,

1616
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:18,759
Speaker 1: we didn't get a great answer. There's a Cheeto verify,

1617
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:21,840
Speaker 1: which he lost, and then the Munos fight, which Muno's

1618
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 1: kind of seemed to have an answer for him before

1619
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 1: the ipoke, so and you know, it was inconclusive, I think,

1620
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 1: is the best way to put it. But it was

1621
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 1: hardly some kind of like oh here he was just

1622
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 1: styling on Pedro Muno's. But the point being is, if

1623
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 1: what's better for the Sanhagen Cheeto winner, is it for

1624
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 1: Sean O'Malley to upset the apple cart or for Yan

1625
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:43,840
Speaker 1: to stay where he is in that place.

1626
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:51,439
Speaker 2: Probably O'Malley, because look, Yan, until he gets until where

1627
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:53,599
Speaker 2: there's proof that Yan's old and he's still in his prime,

1628
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 2: He's not there. Dude. He's just so damn not only

1629
01:13:56,840 --> 01:14:00,320
Speaker 2: well rounded, but so devastating in the cat in so

1630
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:03,679
Speaker 2: many categories that you don't want to see that mf

1631
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 2: R at the end, you know, you want if it

1632
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 2: ends up, if Omeley ends up beating him, which I'm

1633
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 2: just at least was trying to make the point that like,

1634
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 2: we just don't know, we just don't know, you know,

1635
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:17,519
Speaker 2: he's a little bit more potentially vulnerable than that Rock Luke.

1636
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:23,639
Speaker 1: You know, Okay, I think if if Sean O'Malley beats Yan,

1637
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:27,800
Speaker 1: that so the number thirteen contender beats number one? What

1638
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:29,800
Speaker 1: does that do for TJ. Dila Shaw? Because at two

1639
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:32,759
Speaker 1: and three you have Dila Shaw and Morob. So here's

1640
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 1: my thought. If Sean O'Malley beats Yan, it kind of

1641
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 1: is going to force Dila Shaw to fight Morob because

1642
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:40,760
Speaker 1: I think if you beat Yon, you might just get

1643
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 1: the next title shot, especially Dilaw.

1644
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:43,639
Speaker 2: Fighting for the title.

1645
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 3: Luke, are you are you assuming that he loses?

1646
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 1: So what am I saying?

1647
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:47,479
Speaker 2: Yes?

1648
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:51,280
Speaker 1: No, there's Morob there, Dila Shaw is fighting Sterling at

1649
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:54,439
Speaker 1: two eighty forgive me, So that leaves just Morob there.

1650
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:59,640
Speaker 1: Should the winner of sanhagen Vera fight Morob next no

1651
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:02,760
Speaker 1: matter matter what? Or is there a case for the

1652
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:05,800
Speaker 1: winner of San haagen Vera to get the title shot

1653
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:09,759
Speaker 1: over the winner of Yon? Question? O'mealey, apologies for the error.

1654
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 2: On no problem. I feel I think it's gonna come

1655
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 2: down to the scenario that is becoming a regular thing

1656
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 2: in the UFC, and I like it where it's like, Okay,

1657
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 2: you know our top five or six rankings, you know

1658
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 2: we got three fights involving fighters in here, let's just

1659
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:24,559
Speaker 2: look at whoever does the best, because if pyotr Jan

1660
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 2: handles O'Malley in the way that you seem to potentially think,

1661
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 2: and certainly the odds makers have have you know, set

1662
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 2: that at, do you really need him to pass any

1663
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:35,679
Speaker 2: other hurdles but to get back directly to the title,

1664
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:38,759
Speaker 2: you know, picture in place the idea of the winner

1665
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 2: of the Cheetah. I mean, it's not like I'm asking Cheetoh.

1666
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 2: Though let's say Cheato beats course Hannigan, do you want

1667
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 2: him to, you know, clear another hurdle after that? Look,

1668
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 2: that's why I think the original thing I said is true.

1669
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 2: Whoever looks to be that combination of the best win,

1670
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 2: the most spectacular win, and who can cash us in

1671
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:58,559
Speaker 2: at the box office, Because Luke, let's not forget about

1672
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:02,639
Speaker 2: the what if O'Malley does O'Malley things to Yan, nobody's

1673
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:04,200
Speaker 2: getting the title shot with him next, you.

1674
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:04,600
Speaker 1: Know, So.

1675
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 3: You get my point here, Whoever grabs the brass ring

1676
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:11,760
Speaker 3: with their performance, you.

1677
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:14,600
Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, fair enough? I tend to think. I just

1678
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 1: feel like, if if Yan is upset, he's gonna leap

1679
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:21,360
Speaker 1: by by O'Malley. O'Malley's gonna leap frog everybody, and so

1680
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 1: that leaves in that space what exactly you do with

1681
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:28,000
Speaker 1: the remaining talent? And so actually I feel like if

1682
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 1: Sanagan beats Vera, it works out a little bit in

1683
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 1: san Haagan's favor in the following sense. Remember I said

1684
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 1: that he's got this reformation project going on that I

1685
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:38,800
Speaker 1: thought this was a big step, but not a complete step.

1686
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:41,600
Speaker 1: This would actually be another sort of like do you

1687
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 1: get if you if you end up losing all those

1688
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 1: fights and then you beat song It Doong Cheeto Vera

1689
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 1: and then Morob Hey, you couldn't be denied a title

1690
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:51,840
Speaker 1: shot and by that point you probably have really worked

1691
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 1: on the pieces of your game that need to be

1692
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:56,760
Speaker 1: worked on to get back there. Conversely, who's a tougher

1693
01:16:56,840 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 1: fight for Morob Cheeto or Corey Sanhagen. That's a tough one.

1694
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:05,120
Speaker 2: That is a tough one I'd like to see. Oh

1695
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 2: I can't wait for all these styles to keep matching

1696
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 2: to one another.

1697
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 3: Damn.

1698
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 2: Look, So final point on bannon weights unless you have more, No,

1699
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 2: that's it for me? Is is al Joe TJ like

1700
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 2: the great fight on paper that really nobody's talking about. Like, dude,

1701
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 2: this is this is a fucking awesome fight. I feel like, like,

1702
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 2: you know, we're not getting the like, hey, dude, thirty

1703
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 2: six days till you know. I mean, come on, Lou,

1704
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 2: I think.

1705
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 1: I think the fans are slowly warming to Sterling. You know,

1706
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 1: the Mima media was a big believer of his, and

1707
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:35,799
Speaker 1: then you know, he had a couple of tough losses

1708
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:39,800
Speaker 1: because that's that's fighting everyone does. And then you know,

1709
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:41,760
Speaker 1: the first Yon fight didn't go his way, and the

1710
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 1: second Yon fight people are in denial about even though

1711
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 1: that was, you know, a great win by him. I

1712
01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 1: just feel like it's being overshadowed on a very important card,

1713
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 1: number one. And then beyond that, there hasn't quite the

1714
01:17:56,280 --> 01:18:00,400
Speaker 1: popularity of the game hasn't quite caught up to uh's

1715
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 1: accomplishments and abilities. There's like a gap there, and so

1716
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 1: I think that's, as a consequence, is kind of overshadowing it. Plus, dude,

1717
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 1: like you know, having the number thirteen guy fight the

1718
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:11,680
Speaker 1: number one rank guy is fucking crazy, Like that's just

1719
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:14,720
Speaker 1: gonna ring more. You know, It's just it's just a

1720
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 1: it's just a it's just a lot of noise that

1721
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:19,639
Speaker 1: is hard to ignore. It's so crazy and so unusual.

1722
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 3: So do we know what the early odds are? Do

1723
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 3: you know the early odds on Al Joe Dilashaw.

1724
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:29,519
Speaker 1: Al Joe Dilashaw, Let's see Al Jamain Sterling.

1725
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 2: It's kind of be really close, like minus one seventy plus,

1726
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 2: you know one twenty five type close?

1727
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 4: Right, So.

1728
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 1: What we have here is, let me see here we've

1729
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 1: got Jesus this thing is I mean, could these betting

1730
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 1: places make their fucking sites harder to read? I mean,

1731
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 1: you know what are they doing here with with my life?

1732
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:51,400
Speaker 1: All right? So the opening odds, I can tell you

1733
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:54,680
Speaker 1: the opening odds. The opening odds have Sterling as a

1734
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 1: slight favorite minus one forty to Dila Shaw's plus one twenty.

1735
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:03,000
Speaker 1: That sounds about what you were saying, more or less more.

1736
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 2: I got Caesar's updated is Sterling minus one sixty five,

1737
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:08,719
Speaker 2: TJ plus one forty damn.

1738
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:10,880
Speaker 1: I love this fight interesting and it's like moving even

1739
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 1: more towards the champ. That's interesting.

1740
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:15,040
Speaker 2: But do you think TJ should come out with Lance

1741
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 2: Armstrong in his corner? Luke just be like, fuck y'all.

1742
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:20,599
Speaker 1: You should come out with Gordon Ryan. I mean, dude,

1743
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:23,600
Speaker 1: ADCC not giving a fuck about drug testing is my

1744
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:26,600
Speaker 1: favorite thing on earth. All right, Uh, let's do this

1745
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 1: point number five here, BC we close with the co

1746
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:33,280
Speaker 1: main event from this card, Gregory Hadriguez. Dude, he had

1747
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 1: to overcome some adversity against Chid Chikawani, but RoboCop gets

1748
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 1: it done. My question to UBC is not what he

1749
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 1: did was impressive? Well, of course it was impressive. Is

1750
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 1: he now a threat to you think? You know, he

1751
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:48,040
Speaker 1: has to rise with the ranks, But is he now

1752
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:50,479
Speaker 1: a threat that folks should be really talking about in

1753
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:51,439
Speaker 1: the middleweight division?

1754
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1755
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 3: I mean if you said, is he now a threat

1756
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 3: to the title?

1757
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:55,640
Speaker 1: No?

1758
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 2: But is he?

1759
01:19:57,200 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 3: I think that the the arc is becoming. Is he

1760
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:01,439
Speaker 3: you know, the new must see TV guy?

1761
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 2: Right? You know, he's a different type of entertainment that

1762
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:07,600
Speaker 2: a tie to Ivasa brings. But to this guy is

1763
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:11,960
Speaker 2: grimey as f Luke. I mean, you like, do we

1764
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:14,240
Speaker 2: have well there's Luke he Luke, do we have pictures

1765
01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 2: of this at all? I'm sure we do.

1766
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 1: Luke.

1767
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:20,800
Speaker 2: I mean this is just so cheet chety bang Bang

1768
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 2: came to to do that. I mean that this comeback

1769
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 2: is absurd. But the toughness of Rodriguez, the ability to

1770
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 2: carry the power. I need to see him against anyone.

1771
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:35,639
Speaker 2: So is he's a contender now from my viewership, Luke,

1772
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:39,840
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that he makes great fights. But I

1773
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 2: mean we got you know, you gotta, you gotta do

1774
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:43,560
Speaker 2: this few more times, you gotta, yeah, you gotta, you

1775
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:44,360
Speaker 2: got right.

1776
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:49,080
Speaker 1: Okay, But he's got very good mma jiu jitsu. He's

1777
01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 1: I think only thirty and survived a very like stern

1778
01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:58,680
Speaker 1: striking test. By the way, return the favor in the

1779
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 1: first round because I was a wild last round and

1780
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:03,639
Speaker 1: then came out and finished the job in the second.

1781
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 1: Here's who is at eleven to fifteen in this in

1782
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:12,920
Speaker 1: this division, Kelvin, Gastolomnasordine Imovov, Drigis Duplessy, Brad Tavares, and

1783
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 1: Chris Curtis. Now, I grant that there is more he

1784
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:18,800
Speaker 1: has to get do before we're at those fights. But

1785
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:23,840
Speaker 1: the skills he's showing, the resiliency he's showing, those are

1786
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:25,960
Speaker 1: things that could carry him very far.

1787
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 2: No, yeah, I mean he is he he looks a

1788
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 2: lot older than he is and he's got that he's fifty.

1789
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:38,759
Speaker 2: He's got that stubborn old man type, heavy damaging strength

1790
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 2: and also just that I mean reminds me of Glover

1791
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 2: to Shia and like the determination that just drips off

1792
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:48,000
Speaker 2: of him in that regard. Let's let's let's get him.

1793
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:50,280
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I'm not you know, Cheety is no pushover,

1794
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 2: but let's get him in there now with a guy

1795
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 2: in the top fifteen, and let's let him pass that test. Certainly,

1796
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:57,720
Speaker 2: entertainment wise, we're going to be right there. Look, do

1797
01:21:57,760 --> 01:21:59,040
Speaker 2: you feel like this comebacks like.

1798
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:02,320
Speaker 3: It's not getting the kind of play it could like

1799
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 3: or should like this was wild television.

1800
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 1: I just feel like MMA is so routinely crazy week

1801
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:10,479
Speaker 1: over week that it's just hard to keep up. By

1802
01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:13,519
Speaker 1: the way, he lost his Contender series about in twenty twenty,

1803
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:16,439
Speaker 1: then went to LFA, had two KOs in a row,

1804
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:20,640
Speaker 1: gets signed with the UFC. He decisions Dusco Tadovich, He

1805
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:24,000
Speaker 1: beat Park Jung Yong via KO. He did lose to

1806
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 1: Army Patrocyan and be a split decision. There's some controversy

1807
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:28,760
Speaker 1: about that. But then he ko Julian Marquez and he

1808
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:30,560
Speaker 1: finished off Chida and Ji Kawana. Yeah, he's got some

1809
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:33,599
Speaker 1: work to do before we're talking about beating ranked guys.

1810
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:37,120
Speaker 1: But the level of improvement, especially in the face of adversity,

1811
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:39,080
Speaker 1: to me is sort of the takeaway that I have here.

1812
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:43,760
Speaker 1: He's very good about either learning from a mistake over

1813
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:46,840
Speaker 1: the long term or not succumbing to error in the

1814
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:49,160
Speaker 1: short term if he can avoid it.

1815
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 2: Pretty to be able to create dramatic moments consistently, you

1816
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 2: need to have like a next level poise when hit

1817
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 2: goes bad. And he seems to have a very special

1818
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:05,840
Speaker 2: ability to navigate extreme danger and still make very smart

1819
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 2: decisions under duress, and uh, you.

1820
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 1: Know he that.

1821
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:10,840
Speaker 2: You know, That's why I wanted to shout out song

1822
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:12,640
Speaker 2: you don before Luke, which was the other kind of

1823
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:14,639
Speaker 2: crazy back to back fights we saw with these cuts.

1824
01:23:16,040 --> 01:23:18,919
Speaker 2: You get cut that badly and it affects your potentially

1825
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:21,799
Speaker 2: protect you perfects your affects your performance that badly.

1826
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:23,280
Speaker 3: Guys folded Luke.

1827
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:25,960
Speaker 2: Great fighters fold in that regard, and both of these

1828
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:30,320
Speaker 2: guys were like damn, I mean, damn, Luke. I mean,

1829
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 2: Yan was like there was like they were pouring cups

1830
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:33,680
Speaker 2: of blood into his eye. I mean it was just

1831
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:34,599
Speaker 2: it was everywhere.

1832
01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:38,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that doctor was or not Yon song you don't

1833
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 1: excuse me, Yeah, that doctor was He's like, yeah, fuck it,

1834
01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:43,599
Speaker 1: you know, He's like Ivan Drago, like if he dies,

1835
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 1: he dies.

1836
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:45,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was great. It was.

1837
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 3: It was so like he was basically like, hey, referee,

1838
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:50,640
Speaker 3: what it's on you? You know, whatever you want to.

1839
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:54,120
Speaker 1: Do, you know. I mean like, honestly he would only

1840
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 1: intervene of what someone pulled out a shank and just

1841
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 1: started fucking stabbing the other guy a little bit like

1842
01:23:58,240 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 1: short of that, I don't know, well, didn't it build?

1843
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 2: But didn't his liberal ways build drama? Not just that

1844
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:05,160
Speaker 2: it made it more violent, but that he would often

1845
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:07,880
Speaker 2: tell like herb Dean, okay, watch closely, one more strike,

1846
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:10,160
Speaker 2: so you're almost waiting for like can the other guy

1847
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:12,600
Speaker 2: land that one strike? And that's what made the RoboCop

1848
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:15,800
Speaker 2: win so insane, is you're sitting there waiting for Cheety

1849
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:18,320
Speaker 2: to land that one big strike and then he gets

1850
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:21,720
Speaker 2: gets hit with that thumper and suddenly like disconnects and

1851
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:24,479
Speaker 2: falls apart. You don't see that, Luke, certainly, not in

1852
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:27,680
Speaker 2: that type of dramatic moment. I mean, damn dude, that

1853
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:31,559
Speaker 2: was fun as balls. And I shout out to whoever's

1854
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 2: decision it was UFC Disney, whoever to put that UFC

1855
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:38,200
Speaker 2: card earlier, that seven PM main card. Was that just

1856
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:41,280
Speaker 2: so Dana and Rogan could get over to the T

1857
01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:42,680
Speaker 2: mobile to see the Triple G fight.

1858
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 1: Luke. I saw Rogan in attendance there at that probably also, Yeah,

1859
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:51,120
Speaker 1: they just didn't want to compete, you know with Triple

1860
01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:53,920
Speaker 1: G if they can for attention dollars, if they didn't

1861
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:57,720
Speaker 1: have to, so and Canelo. All right, that is it

1862
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:00,160
Speaker 1: for our top five. There will be an extra it

1863
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:01,840
Speaker 1: a little bit later today, so well being a lookout

1864
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:03,320
Speaker 1: for that. But now it is time where you guys

1865
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 1: get to ask us questions. It's time for d ms

1866
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:10,920
Speaker 1: from the diggity dogs. He haw he By the way,

1867
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:12,599
Speaker 1: I don't think I have them here in my email,

1868
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:13,840
Speaker 1: so you can just put them up on the screen

1869
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:16,400
Speaker 1: and I shall read them. What do we have here? First?

1870
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:21,880
Speaker 1: Yours from Caleb Hall underscore mma. What would have been

1871
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:24,880
Speaker 1: the best Jose Aldo fight that we never got to

1872
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:32,519
Speaker 1: see against Dominic Cruz? Maybe that was wanted for.

1873
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:34,240
Speaker 3: A while besides the Conner rematch.

1874
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 1: Luke, Oh, I guess the Connor rematch would be the

1875
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:39,360
Speaker 1: biggest one. Yeah, that would that be the best one.

1876
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:43,840
Speaker 3: I mean it's hard to you know, why it's hard

1877
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 3: because he fought everybody.

1878
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:45,880
Speaker 2: That's why it's hard.

1879
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:50,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there was a time when there was

1880
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:52,600
Speaker 1: a lot of discussion about like when Cruz was in

1881
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:55,839
Speaker 1: his prime and Jose was when they were both champions. Basically,

1882
01:25:56,840 --> 01:25:58,800
Speaker 1: could that be a fight that happens that we never got?

1883
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:03,879
Speaker 1: That's probably one the McGregor rematches, another one Ryan Ortega

1884
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:10,880
Speaker 1: at one. You already saw the vulc you saw Max. Yeah,

1885
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:14,559
Speaker 1: it's probably one of those two. I'm gonna guess, all right.

1886
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:16,320
Speaker 3: Or Tracy Cortes.

1887
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:21,360
Speaker 1: How about this? How about Jose versus Patricio Pitbull? That's one.

1888
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 2: Oh balls, dude, ball still yeah wow?

1889
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:29,920
Speaker 3: Balls across the nose? Yes, Luke, Yes, yeah wow?

1890
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 2: I mean is there still time? Can we do that? Luke?

1891
01:26:32,360 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 1: Please? I don't know if we can, but that would

1892
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:38,679
Speaker 1: be a fun one for sure, all right. Next from

1893
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:42,320
Speaker 1: Mikey Mo Miles. If canelices his ways of jumping.

1894
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:45,320
Speaker 2: No, hold on, that's that's Mikey Morms, that's the producer, Luke.

1895
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:48,479
Speaker 1: I wouldn't follow him on I don't follow him on Instagram.

1896
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:49,479
Speaker 3: Apparently not.

1897
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:51,720
Speaker 2: We just found that out. Yeah, there we go.

1898
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:55,439
Speaker 1: If Canelic continues his ways of jumping from promotion to promotion.

1899
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:58,160
Speaker 1: Which fights can he make with de Zone or elsewhere

1900
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:02,120
Speaker 1: that would be more entertaining the Charlo and Benevetez to

1901
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:03,559
Speaker 1: fight Showtime deal?

1902
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 2: What So, what he's basically saying is, isn't the best

1903
01:27:08,600 --> 01:27:10,639
Speaker 2: move for Canlo in terms of signing with a promoter

1904
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:13,840
Speaker 2: going to PBC in Showtime or Fox. But they're getting

1905
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 2: you know, they seem to be getting out of it

1906
01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:17,880
Speaker 2: because the Charlo and Benavitez fights might be the two

1907
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:20,800
Speaker 2: most attractive. The counter to that, off the surf on

1908
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 2: the surface, Luke, I'll say, is that even Canelo signing

1909
01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:25,880
Speaker 2: that two fight deal with that he hear and surprise

1910
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:27,720
Speaker 2: me because he's in such a position of leverage that

1911
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:30,000
Speaker 2: I don't see him doing anything but signing kind of like.

1912
01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:31,720
Speaker 3: One off in the direction he wants to go.

1913
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:33,840
Speaker 2: So if he wants to fight Bevall next on his

1914
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:35,960
Speaker 2: own with the idea of fighting, then the winner of

1915
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:39,000
Speaker 2: better Beevan Joe Smith on ESPN, he and theory could

1916
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:41,600
Speaker 2: do that. But to the spirit of Mikey's question, no,

1917
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:45,360
Speaker 2: there is not another one stop shop that gives you

1918
01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:49,280
Speaker 2: the potential of fights you still want to see beyond PBC.

1919
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:51,560
Speaker 2: They've got the lock right now on the on the

1920
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:55,280
Speaker 2: one sixty a two matter. So you have anything to

1921
01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:57,200
Speaker 2: add there, Luke, is there a Canelo fights separate from

1922
01:27:57,240 --> 01:28:02,400
Speaker 2: Benavidez and Bevall that you still really want Eryl Spence

1923
01:28:02,479 --> 01:28:04,080
Speaker 2: one day at one's sixty two.

1924
01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:06,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I mean there's other ones you

1925
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:08,560
Speaker 1: could do. But this is my whole point. It's like

1926
01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:13,040
Speaker 1: the current claim to fame, as we talked about, was

1927
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:17,360
Speaker 1: the one sixty eight belts like, if you don't beat Bivoll.

1928
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:20,519
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. If he beats Bivol, which is unlikely,

1929
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:23,800
Speaker 1: but let's say he does, that could change the equation, right,

1930
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:26,479
Speaker 1: that changes the equation a little bit. But yeah, if

1931
01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:30,240
Speaker 1: he loses again, it's like, I don't even know what

1932
01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:33,720
Speaker 1: the other options would fucking be at this point. Uh,

1933
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:35,200
Speaker 1: it's just that.

1934
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:38,799
Speaker 3: So yeah, So, by the way, my hope.

1935
01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:41,680
Speaker 1: Is that, well, I was gonna say, I don't want

1936
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:43,439
Speaker 1: him to lose to Bivol. I don't want him to win.

1937
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:44,760
Speaker 1: I don't have it. I don't have to say. But

1938
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:47,320
Speaker 1: if he does lose to Bivol, I do hope that

1939
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:50,840
Speaker 1: in the intervening time, as we said, previously that Kayleb

1940
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:52,880
Speaker 1: Plant fights Benavidez and we can get some kind of

1941
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:55,559
Speaker 1: resolution about that. Either you can do a Plant rematch

1942
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:58,320
Speaker 1: or Benavidez wins and you get a fresh match up there.

1943
01:28:58,360 --> 01:28:59,680
Speaker 1: Either one of those would be fine by me.

1944
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:04,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Caleb Plants fighting Anthony Durrell on the Deontay Wallder

1945
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:07,439
Speaker 2: October Fox undercard, by the way, now being trained by

1946
01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:12,160
Speaker 2: uh the bread Man, Stephen Edwards. Caleb Plant, Kayla Plant.

1947
01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:13,640
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, Yeah, his.

1948
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:15,760
Speaker 2: Dad Richie still in the corner. But but it looks

1949
01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:17,800
Speaker 2: like they brought him in the only thing else I

1950
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:22,600
Speaker 2: was going to say there, Luke, Uh, yeah, you know,

1951
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:24,680
Speaker 2: I forgot.

1952
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:28,080
Speaker 1: A few two Delta eight gummies this morning.

1953
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:32,160
Speaker 2: No, no, no, just coffee, Luke and ag one.

1954
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:37,400
Speaker 1: All right, all right? Next, here we go from Saint

1955
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:41,679
Speaker 1: John Underscore either Canada or California. Where was BC's humor

1956
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:44,560
Speaker 1: during the Canelo interview? Feeling a vibe? He wasn't in

1957
01:29:44,640 --> 01:29:47,519
Speaker 1: the mood. Thought the phone ringing was a perfect segue

1958
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:48,000
Speaker 1: for you.

1959
01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:51,840
Speaker 2: So the answer to that, it's a great point is

1960
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:55,360
Speaker 2: I couldn't hear Canelo. There were audio issues where I

1961
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:58,160
Speaker 2: could I could barely hear him. But those things are

1962
01:29:58,240 --> 01:30:00,559
Speaker 2: so rapid fire in the moment, I amost didn't want

1963
01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:02,920
Speaker 2: to risk like stopping down and starting again. It was

1964
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:05,800
Speaker 2: one of those satellite interviews where you get seven to

1965
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:07,960
Speaker 2: eight minutes with the guy, but it is still pretty

1966
01:30:08,040 --> 01:30:10,720
Speaker 2: valuable for us to create content off of. So if

1967
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:12,720
Speaker 2: I had heard him, I would have played that up more.

1968
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:14,519
Speaker 2: And actually the only reason why I went four minutes

1969
01:30:15,080 --> 01:30:16,920
Speaker 2: was because I couldn't hear him, so I just thought, hey,

1970
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:18,880
Speaker 2: let's put this thing to bed and take it for

1971
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:19,479
Speaker 2: what it's worth.

1972
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:21,560
Speaker 3: I was surprised that it was that short. I thought

1973
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:22,640
Speaker 3: I did about eight with him, but I.

1974
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:23,280
Speaker 2: Was way off.

1975
01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:25,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, Luke, I don't know.

1976
01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:27,519
Speaker 2: You know, like some people are like, man, this guy

1977
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:29,519
Speaker 2: b SE's the most annoying person of all time.

1978
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:31,760
Speaker 3: Can't you just be serious for ones?

1979
01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:36,880
Speaker 1: Dude? I hate those interviews, like you're like, oh, you're

1980
01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:39,360
Speaker 1: gonna get an interview the you know, the main event

1981
01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:42,200
Speaker 1: fighters and this cattle call. And I used to do

1982
01:30:42,280 --> 01:30:44,040
Speaker 1: them all the time when I had a radio show

1983
01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:45,479
Speaker 1: or you know, you just kind of take them when

1984
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:47,640
Speaker 1: you can get him, and it's fine, but dude, for

1985
01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:49,479
Speaker 1: folks that understand, like in this case, he was doing

1986
01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:51,080
Speaker 1: video but either way, he used to be all all

1987
01:30:51,200 --> 01:30:53,880
Speaker 1: over the phone. They do this, then they hang up,

1988
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:55,640
Speaker 1: then they call another station, then they hang up and

1989
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:58,439
Speaker 1: they call another station. But whenever you get them first

1990
01:30:58,439 --> 01:31:00,720
Speaker 1: of all, they're always late. They're all late because the

1991
01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:02,840
Speaker 1: people in front of you have always taken two three

1992
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:05,160
Speaker 1: minutes extra and it just adds up by the time

1993
01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:07,080
Speaker 1: it gets to you. And then they just never give

1994
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:08,800
Speaker 1: a fuck about talking to you. You know, like the

1995
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:11,280
Speaker 1: best way to get these interviews is you got to

1996
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:13,799
Speaker 1: be like the first guy, or you have him separate

1997
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:16,120
Speaker 1: or you know, it's hard to do that. Obviously we

1998
01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:19,560
Speaker 1: have an international star like Canelo, but it's just I

1999
01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:21,719
Speaker 1: just don't love the cattle call interviews personally.

2000
01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:22,040
Speaker 5: Well.

2001
01:31:22,360 --> 01:31:24,840
Speaker 2: While they are you know, the fast food of it

2002
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:28,479
Speaker 2: and not always effective, it does challenge you to get

2003
01:31:28,520 --> 01:31:30,639
Speaker 2: strategic in the way that you try to get content.

2004
01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:31,760
Speaker 3: And I have found one thing.

2005
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:35,280
Speaker 2: You can ask asshole really hard questions during those luke,

2006
01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:38,000
Speaker 2: because you know you're only getting five six minutes, and

2007
01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:41,160
Speaker 2: that's sometimes the quickest way to get a real answer

2008
01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:44,840
Speaker 2: or a real reaction or something is being very direct

2009
01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:46,479
Speaker 2: about something that you know they probably don't want to

2010
01:31:46,479 --> 01:31:49,120
Speaker 2: talk about. But that's how we win. That's how we

2011
01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:51,280
Speaker 2: fight back, Luke, that's right, all right.

2012
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:58,280
Speaker 1: Next from ny Spawn ninety one, seeing that the UFC

2013
01:31:58,479 --> 01:32:02,240
Speaker 1: seems to be keeping the APEX fights should slash. Could

2014
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:05,760
Speaker 1: they build their own UFC arena to hold fights in

2015
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:07,240
Speaker 1: you mean the UFC Apex.

2016
01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:10,200
Speaker 2: No, but they're saying with the lack of seating in there,

2017
01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:11,760
Speaker 2: if they're already doing the APEX and know.

2018
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:14,000
Speaker 1: What they're saying, but it's like, hey, with the APEX

2019
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:15,799
Speaker 1: being what it is, could the UFC build a facility

2020
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:17,519
Speaker 1: where they host their own fights. Yeah, they've got that.

2021
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:20,519
Speaker 1: I know he's saying. Is more of a consumer friendly one. Yeah.

2022
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:23,640
Speaker 1: The UFC doesn't love anything more than vertical integration right

2023
01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:26,639
Speaker 1: where they can control every part of the business chain,

2024
01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:29,360
Speaker 1: from the creation of the product to its delivery and

2025
01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:32,000
Speaker 1: its consumption. I bet they would love to. I don't know.

2026
01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:34,880
Speaker 1: I don't know how doable that is in Vegas, because

2027
01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:37,760
Speaker 1: they also want to keep open the relationship with the casinos.

2028
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:39,719
Speaker 1: They can make a lot of money that way as well.

2029
01:32:41,160 --> 01:32:43,360
Speaker 3: That's a good point. That's a good point. I'm sure

2030
01:32:43,400 --> 01:32:44,280
Speaker 3: they're financial.

2031
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:47,680
Speaker 2: I'm sure there is a really a financial relationship with

2032
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:51,040
Speaker 2: MGM properties that would that would make that not in

2033
01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:53,320
Speaker 2: their their favor to do it, because they can because

2034
01:32:53,320 --> 01:32:55,960
Speaker 2: they're probably you know, getting site fees and bonuses to

2035
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:56,400
Speaker 2: be able.

2036
01:32:56,280 --> 01:32:58,120
Speaker 1: To do that. But right, remember they have and also

2037
01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:00,240
Speaker 1: they have a deal with MGM through Team able to

2038
01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:01,640
Speaker 1: bring a certain amount of fights there every year.

2039
01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:04,040
Speaker 2: Right, And it's like, why did Floyd Mayweather fight every

2040
01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:06,040
Speaker 2: single fight of his career at the end of the

2041
01:33:06,120 --> 01:33:07,880
Speaker 2: MGM Grand or Tea Mobile down, you know, once he

2042
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:09,680
Speaker 2: became a pay per view star, Because I'm sure they

2043
01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:12,720
Speaker 2: made it financially that that was probably the reason. They

2044
01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:18,320
Speaker 2: probably made it bountiful. But I would like to see something.

2045
01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:19,200
Speaker 3: Is there a middle.

2046
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:21,599
Speaker 2: Ground because you want them to keep the apex because

2047
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:24,040
Speaker 2: it is perfect for like Contender series or or Tough.

2048
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:25,560
Speaker 2: I don't although they don't use it for Tough, but

2049
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:27,840
Speaker 2: you get my point. It is perfect for like that

2050
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:31,640
Speaker 2: type of intimate for a reason. But there should be

2051
01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:34,120
Speaker 2: some kind of home house in between.

2052
01:33:34,280 --> 01:33:37,000
Speaker 1: Luke, Well, here's what you're here's the problem you're trying

2053
01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:39,880
Speaker 1: to solve, and it's very doable, I think, which is

2054
01:33:40,720 --> 01:33:43,439
Speaker 1: they can't. First of all, they have an existing deal

2055
01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:45,559
Speaker 1: to honor. And to the other point, it's in their

2056
01:33:45,640 --> 01:33:48,240
Speaker 1: financial interest to take big fights to tea Mobile or

2057
01:33:48,280 --> 01:33:50,599
Speaker 1: wherever the fuck in Las Vegas, right, so you don't

2058
01:33:50,680 --> 01:33:53,680
Speaker 1: change that, But is there some place where, Like it's

2059
01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:55,920
Speaker 1: not like they're taking the fight night cards to the

2060
01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:58,280
Speaker 1: Pearl at the Palms like they used to. It's not

2061
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:01,000
Speaker 1: like they're putting fight night cards on anymore at Mandalay

2062
01:34:01,080 --> 01:34:03,720
Speaker 1: Bay Events Center like they used to. So what you

2063
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:07,280
Speaker 1: need is a fight night venue that is big enough

2064
01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:11,400
Speaker 1: to accommodate ten fifteen thousand people something like that, then

2065
01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:12,559
Speaker 1: give you the control.

2066
01:34:13,400 --> 01:34:17,240
Speaker 2: The answer is actually the Bandalay Bay, which is it's

2067
01:34:17,360 --> 01:34:20,040
Speaker 2: arguably the best place to see a fight anywhere, and

2068
01:34:20,120 --> 01:34:23,960
Speaker 2: the big fights don't go there to you know, consistently anymore.

2069
01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:26,679
Speaker 3: You'll see like a random showtime card or a random whatever.

2070
01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:29,640
Speaker 2: But like that's intimate enough, it's one of the it's

2071
01:34:29,720 --> 01:34:31,599
Speaker 2: clear certainly one of the best places you can watch

2072
01:34:31,640 --> 01:34:33,640
Speaker 2: a fight. It's so intimate and it's just perfect the

2073
01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:37,000
Speaker 2: site line, So maybe that should be the in between.

2074
01:34:38,200 --> 01:34:40,640
Speaker 1: What he's saying is on that. So if you've ever

2075
01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:43,320
Speaker 1: been to like the UFC offices, most of you watching

2076
01:34:43,400 --> 01:34:45,160
Speaker 1: us have never been, but they've got it's on it's

2077
01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:47,720
Speaker 1: like it's off the highway and there's all this land

2078
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:49,800
Speaker 1: around them, I think, the vast majority of which they own.

2079
01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:54,200
Speaker 1: Could they build another venue around there? Now that would

2080
01:34:54,200 --> 01:34:56,160
Speaker 1: be off strips, so there's'ud be a little some concerns.

2081
01:34:56,200 --> 01:34:58,799
Speaker 1: But could they build another venue somewhere else in Vegas

2082
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:04,000
Speaker 1: just for fight nights if they wanted to? Probably they could.

2083
01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:05,040
Speaker 1: Probably they could.

2084
01:35:05,479 --> 01:35:06,000
Speaker 3: I mean you have to.

2085
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:07,600
Speaker 2: I guess you have to look at the expenses and

2086
01:35:07,640 --> 01:35:09,639
Speaker 2: how much they can make off the gate, and yeah,

2087
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:11,320
Speaker 2: I mean that. I mean we are getting to the

2088
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:13,800
Speaker 2: point where they should just build their own biodome, Luke.

2089
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:17,120
Speaker 2: With Paul Shore and the Stephen Baldwin.

2090
01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:20,480
Speaker 1: Do you ever see the documentary about the real biodome

2091
01:35:20,520 --> 01:35:22,800
Speaker 1: that was built and everyone was inside and they started

2092
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:24,639
Speaker 1: fucking each other and going crazy. It's great.

2093
01:35:24,720 --> 01:35:27,479
Speaker 2: Wow, sounds like the Olympic village for the athletes, Luke.

2094
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:28,360
Speaker 2: So I hear.

2095
01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:32,719
Speaker 3: Yeah. I watched the Tim Donaghy Netflix untold.

2096
01:35:32,760 --> 01:35:33,640
Speaker 2: Did you did you see that?

2097
01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:33,920
Speaker 5: Luke?

2098
01:35:34,040 --> 01:35:35,400
Speaker 1: I haven't seen that one yet. Is it good?

2099
01:35:35,560 --> 01:35:35,880
Speaker 2: It's good?

2100
01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:36,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good.

2101
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:39,280
Speaker 2: It's it paints the NBA in a very very dark light.

2102
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:42,839
Speaker 2: Very They basically paint the NBA is being a mafia.

2103
01:35:44,120 --> 01:35:45,920
Speaker 1: That's that's a little strong. But what are you gonna do?

2104
01:35:46,040 --> 01:35:48,400
Speaker 2: Well, You're watch it for yourself, Luke, and then get

2105
01:35:48,439 --> 01:35:50,200
Speaker 2: back to be about Mantitao's girlfriend.

2106
01:35:50,240 --> 01:35:53,599
Speaker 1: All right, all right, one more, one more? I think

2107
01:35:55,880 --> 01:35:59,760
Speaker 1: from Jonathan to Dairying whatever the.

2108
01:35:59,760 --> 01:36:02,680
Speaker 2: Fuck Jonathan Ogden the Hall of Famer.

2109
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:05,759
Speaker 1: Luke, that's right after seeing Gordon Ryan's performance at ADCC.

2110
01:36:05,960 --> 01:36:09,120
Speaker 1: How much of a threat is he Day one of MMA. See,

2111
01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:11,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know how well suited his

2112
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:13,920
Speaker 1: game is for MMA. Obviously his attacks from the back

2113
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:17,960
Speaker 1: are well suited. He's got some wrestling, but it's wrestling

2114
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:23,000
Speaker 1: very much designed around Nogi rules and realities. I don't

2115
01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:25,240
Speaker 1: know anything about his striking. I don't know anything about

2116
01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:28,760
Speaker 1: beyond that. So like obviously, if he gets into a

2117
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:33,040
Speaker 1: wrestling or grappling exchange, remember something. And Ryan Hall explains

2118
01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:35,760
Speaker 1: to me once it's very obvious, but it's worth sitting

2119
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:37,640
Speaker 1: out loud as a way to think about. If you

2120
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:40,200
Speaker 1: go to a jiu jitsu match or tournament, you have

2121
01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:43,400
Speaker 1: to beat the other person with your jiu jitsu. You

2122
01:36:43,479 --> 01:36:47,880
Speaker 1: can't use anything else. In MMA, no one is obligated

2123
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:50,240
Speaker 1: to do jiu jitsu with you, you have to force

2124
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:52,800
Speaker 1: it on them. So you have to have a game

2125
01:36:53,479 --> 01:36:55,640
Speaker 1: where you can apply that, and that is going to

2126
01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:59,000
Speaker 1: be most meaningfully through setups of the striking and then

2127
01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:02,440
Speaker 1: obviously you're wrestling. I don't know exactly how well that translates,

2128
01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:04,559
Speaker 1: but for we're gonna talk about this on extra credit,

2129
01:37:04,600 --> 01:37:07,960
Speaker 1: but for the nogi jiu jitsu game, Dude, he is

2130
01:37:08,360 --> 01:37:10,560
Speaker 1: he doesn't have I don't even know who'd be a

2131
01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:14,320
Speaker 1: close second at this point. Not Felipe Panna, not anymore. Uh,

2132
01:37:14,479 --> 01:37:17,720
Speaker 1: he is on an island. He's the best nogi grappler ever.

2133
01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:21,200
Speaker 1: He's the first guy to win a weight class ADCC

2134
01:37:21,320 --> 01:37:25,720
Speaker 1: title across three different weight classes. Dude, he dumbied these

2135
01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:27,720
Speaker 1: fucking people like they didn't even he did need to

2136
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:30,360
Speaker 1: surrender a single fucking point. That's Danny.

2137
01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:32,320
Speaker 2: The only time I ever care is when he when

2138
01:37:32,360 --> 01:37:34,760
Speaker 2: he talks all that shit and I see it on Instagram, Luke,

2139
01:37:34,760 --> 01:37:35,519
Speaker 2: I like that, all right.

2140
01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:38,520
Speaker 1: He talks a gang of shit and everyone. He's very polarizing.

2141
01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:41,000
Speaker 1: He's got some worldviews that, let's to put him mildly,

2142
01:37:41,120 --> 01:37:43,439
Speaker 1: I don't share. And he's so a lot of people

2143
01:37:43,479 --> 01:37:44,920
Speaker 1: hate him for a lot of people like him. He's

2144
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:47,240
Speaker 1: very polarizing. But the question is not that. The question

2145
01:37:47,360 --> 01:37:50,120
Speaker 1: is how good is he. He doesn't have a rival

2146
01:37:50,360 --> 01:37:54,200
Speaker 1: at all at all, not in any weight class, not anywhere.

2147
01:37:54,760 --> 01:37:55,600
Speaker 1: He's remarkable.

2148
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:59,679
Speaker 2: So, Luke, are you know our social media producer Brendan Yes,

2149
01:38:00,240 --> 01:38:02,840
Speaker 2: Brendan Lynch. Do you think you could survive without tapping

2150
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:06,240
Speaker 2: eight minutes with him in a yes, ski match?

2151
01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:13,680
Speaker 1: Survive? Probably? I'd probably be all right surviving, is you know?

2152
01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:16,320
Speaker 1: That's all. That's all Andre Galvas was doing against uh

2153
01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:20,639
Speaker 1: fucking Gordon Ryan for about twenty minutes. But yeah, surviving

2154
01:38:20,720 --> 01:38:22,800
Speaker 1: probably I'd be okay. Anythink more than that? I'm too

2155
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:25,599
Speaker 1: old and pathetic. All right, with that out of the WABC,

2156
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:28,000
Speaker 1: it's time for your feces, time for old bcs.

2157
01:38:29,120 --> 01:38:31,240
Speaker 2: Hey. Here's what I did, Like I do every Sunday,

2158
01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:34,120
Speaker 2: I scoured the globe for the highs and lows, the good,

2159
01:38:34,200 --> 01:38:36,799
Speaker 2: the bad, the ugly, and the in between. In combat

2160
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:39,240
Speaker 2: sports and beyond. We call this.

2161
01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:40,720
Speaker 3: Have you seen this shit?

2162
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:44,040
Speaker 1: Have you seen this other fucking shit?

2163
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:48,240
Speaker 2: Luke? I am being told and that was me talking

2164
01:38:48,280 --> 01:38:50,519
Speaker 2: to myself that this is among the best batches of

2165
01:38:50,560 --> 01:38:53,080
Speaker 2: shit we've ever had. Okay, so get ready, all right,

2166
01:38:53,200 --> 01:38:55,760
Speaker 2: let's see it. Old man Thomas hates shit. All right,

2167
01:38:55,800 --> 01:38:59,080
Speaker 2: here we go UFC Fight night in Vegas. Dude, Anthony

2168
01:38:59,160 --> 01:39:04,040
Speaker 2: Hernandez Dan, I'm near killed Mark Andre Barrio via head

2169
01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:07,479
Speaker 2: and arm pile driver here, Luke, good lord, Yeah.

2170
01:39:07,320 --> 01:39:09,320
Speaker 1: I saw this. This isn't supposed to happen. I don't

2171
01:39:09,320 --> 01:39:11,160
Speaker 1: think he intentionally meant to do it. And he does

2172
01:39:11,320 --> 01:39:13,200
Speaker 1: break his fall a little bit with his right hand

2173
01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:15,439
Speaker 1: if you notice right there, dude.

2174
01:39:15,240 --> 01:39:17,600
Speaker 2: They've cleaned up this sport a lot, Luke, But that

2175
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:20,360
Speaker 2: that could kill a man. I mean, seriously, that's that's

2176
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:21,439
Speaker 2: not good dude, Dude.

2177
01:39:21,439 --> 01:39:23,920
Speaker 1: I'm surprised we haven't seen like deaths in MMA, like

2178
01:39:24,040 --> 01:39:27,120
Speaker 1: especially in UFC, Like there's enough screening to prevent most

2179
01:39:27,200 --> 01:39:33,080
Speaker 1: of those. But like paralysis, I haven't seen personally, and

2180
01:39:33,160 --> 01:39:35,680
Speaker 1: like obviously in a major promotion, I haven't seen paralysis.

2181
01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:38,200
Speaker 1: I hope I never do. But I wonder how far

2182
01:39:38,280 --> 01:39:39,840
Speaker 1: apart that our far away we are from that.

2183
01:39:40,680 --> 01:39:43,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you want the the the blue pill, which

2184
01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:46,519
Speaker 2: gives you CT on the long term, or the pile driver,

2185
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:49,200
Speaker 2: which is instantaneous. I mean, come on, Luke, this is

2186
01:39:49,320 --> 01:39:53,439
Speaker 2: crazy Hosa. One of my favorite fighters, Loma Luke boone Me.

2187
01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:57,000
Speaker 2: Luke came came back with a much needed win against

2188
01:39:57,040 --> 01:40:00,160
Speaker 2: Denise gomes here, but almost got caught up. Luke, I know,

2189
01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:02,920
Speaker 2: did she hear a whistle? We're halfway through around watch,

2190
01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:04,960
Speaker 2: Luke boone Me just kind of be like, yeah, I'm done.

2191
01:40:05,120 --> 01:40:05,680
Speaker 2: I'm done here.

2192
01:40:06,040 --> 01:40:09,960
Speaker 1: That's cool. All this bullshit, that's that. That's you. That's you.

2193
01:40:10,040 --> 01:40:13,080
Speaker 1: At the ending of MK, it's like Dudelock, like you're

2194
01:40:13,080 --> 01:40:13,800
Speaker 1: just walking.

2195
01:40:15,840 --> 01:40:18,000
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, Luke, she fought hard in this fight.

2196
01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:19,200
Speaker 3: Shout out to Luma.

2197
01:40:19,680 --> 01:40:22,559
Speaker 1: She wanted to had a message afterwards about people who

2198
01:40:22,600 --> 01:40:24,240
Speaker 1: were depressed. You know, I thought it was a very

2199
01:40:24,280 --> 01:40:24,839
Speaker 1: nice message.

2200
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:27,599
Speaker 2: I didn't know that Danny Ruby reps her, Luke. Shout

2201
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:28,320
Speaker 2: out to Danny Rube.

2202
01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:30,519
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, Danny rub Rep that's right.

2203
01:40:30,520 --> 01:40:33,800
Speaker 3: Ruby Sports in the House, Oklahoma Wrestling baby, Right.

2204
01:40:34,720 --> 01:40:36,280
Speaker 1: What else do you have to say about Danny Rube.

2205
01:40:36,280 --> 01:40:38,600
Speaker 2: I regret making that hairline joke. That's hom I really do.

2206
01:40:38,720 --> 01:40:41,439
Speaker 2: He's a great guy. Okay, he's a great guy. Uh, Luke.

2207
01:40:42,200 --> 01:40:47,040
Speaker 2: If you're gonna be like anybody, be like Joe Pifer.

2208
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:52,160
Speaker 3: Because he made his UFC debut and knock this guy

2209
01:40:52,240 --> 01:40:53,360
Speaker 3: the hell out, Luke.

2210
01:40:54,520 --> 01:40:57,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, Alan Ammadofsky just sat him fucking down.

2211
01:40:57,960 --> 01:41:00,280
Speaker 3: What'd you think about the creativity here to set the up?

2212
01:41:01,320 --> 01:41:03,679
Speaker 1: Uh? Pretty good. I've not watched the fight in full,

2213
01:41:04,240 --> 01:41:05,639
Speaker 1: so I have to go back and look to see

2214
01:41:05,640 --> 01:41:08,679
Speaker 1: exactly how he did it. But okay, but then uppercut

2215
01:41:08,760 --> 01:41:11,040
Speaker 1: to overhand right lift the chin and then let him go.

2216
01:41:11,240 --> 01:41:16,240
Speaker 2: That's nice, well paging doctor Nash, doctor John S. Nash

2217
01:41:17,439 --> 01:41:20,559
Speaker 2: who probably as a doctor at in economics. Luke, let's

2218
01:41:20,560 --> 01:41:23,519
Speaker 2: hear Joe Piper in the post fight interview. Fine, thank

2219
01:41:23,600 --> 01:41:26,880
Speaker 2: you to Dana White. That man gave me cash on

2220
01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:28,760
Speaker 2: the side and gave me a place to live for

2221
01:41:28,880 --> 01:41:29,439
Speaker 2: the next year.

2222
01:41:30,200 --> 01:41:31,479
Speaker 1: And it's my birthday today.

2223
01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:32,720
Speaker 3: I'm twenty six years old.

2224
01:41:33,240 --> 01:41:36,439
Speaker 2: I want that fifty K bonus because I'm the birthday boy.

2225
01:41:36,600 --> 01:41:42,240
Speaker 2: Let's go, so, Luke, I have nothing bad to say

2226
01:41:42,240 --> 01:41:44,240
Speaker 2: about an exciting young fighter here and Joe Pifer.

2227
01:41:44,360 --> 01:41:47,640
Speaker 1: But to the are you to the US are you

2228
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:50,639
Speaker 1: using this to make another dumb point about a conspiracy theory?

2229
01:41:51,120 --> 01:41:53,840
Speaker 2: But you know the elephant in the room, aka the

2230
01:41:53,960 --> 01:41:58,559
Speaker 2: I R. S. Luke, is this another milk boys? Bonus bag, Luke,

2231
01:41:58,600 --> 01:41:59,400
Speaker 2: because you know, I'm glad.

2232
01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:03,599
Speaker 1: I love your theory. Let's ignore court orders and put

2233
01:42:03,680 --> 01:42:06,760
Speaker 1: ourselves in potential contempt in the most important and the

2234
01:42:06,840 --> 01:42:10,680
Speaker 1: most important litigation the company has ever faced. Also, Joe

2235
01:42:11,120 --> 01:42:12,560
Speaker 1: can have a place to live. That's very It's a

2236
01:42:12,640 --> 01:42:14,080
Speaker 1: very intelligent and.

2237
01:42:14,600 --> 01:42:16,720
Speaker 2: Joe Pifer his Instagram stories, he posted a pick of

2238
01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:19,240
Speaker 2: the car and insinuated that, you know, Dana had got

2239
01:42:19,320 --> 01:42:19,680
Speaker 2: it for him.

2240
01:42:19,720 --> 01:42:21,280
Speaker 3: Luke, I don't know why they're this close, but.

2241
01:42:23,280 --> 01:42:25,880
Speaker 2: All right, there we go, there we go.

2242
01:42:26,160 --> 01:42:28,479
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm happy for him, but that's all accounted

2243
01:42:28,520 --> 01:42:31,120
Speaker 1: for in discretionary bonuses. So yeah, okay, Luke.

2244
01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:33,519
Speaker 2: He wasn't on the call on Saturday, but as we mentioned, Hey,

2245
01:42:33,560 --> 01:42:37,719
Speaker 2: look kids, doctor Joe Rogan off the clock cage side

2246
01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:38,519
Speaker 2: at the UFC.

2247
01:42:39,560 --> 01:42:42,120
Speaker 1: Is that of those how much those fucking glasses way

2248
01:42:42,200 --> 01:42:43,840
Speaker 1: that they're wearing down the front of his shirt like that?

2249
01:42:44,120 --> 01:42:46,000
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I don't think that's a natural v neck.

2250
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:47,280
Speaker 3: I think it just got that way, Luke.

2251
01:42:47,360 --> 01:42:49,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. Hey, is that a Chuck Minden Hall?

2252
01:42:50,240 --> 01:42:51,439
Speaker 3: Is he wearing a Chuck mind in Hall?

2253
01:42:51,479 --> 01:42:51,879
Speaker 2: Boston?

2254
01:42:51,920 --> 01:42:56,080
Speaker 1: Scaley, Luke, go back one more time, show it yeah.

2255
01:42:56,200 --> 01:42:57,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the official man in the

2256
01:42:57,720 --> 01:42:59,200
Speaker 1: hat one, but there it is.

2257
01:43:00,160 --> 01:43:02,120
Speaker 2: Is that Tony Hinchcliff next to him? Or did I

2258
01:43:02,200 --> 01:43:02,640
Speaker 2: make that up?

2259
01:43:04,040 --> 01:43:04,519
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2260
01:43:05,080 --> 01:43:06,800
Speaker 3: Is that Randy Felt headphones on?

2261
01:43:06,880 --> 01:43:07,959
Speaker 1: It seems a little aggressive.

2262
01:43:08,479 --> 01:43:10,240
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean that's what the stars do.

2263
01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:13,560
Speaker 2: Uh looke. Let's go to Canelo Triple G three in

2264
01:43:13,720 --> 01:43:16,320
Speaker 2: Las Vegas and hey, look, kids, it's doctor Joe Rogan

2265
01:43:16,400 --> 01:43:17,200
Speaker 2: off the clock.

2266
01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:20,080
Speaker 3: Again, this time with celebrity friend Dave Chappelle.

2267
01:43:20,200 --> 01:43:21,559
Speaker 2: So what a night for Joe.

2268
01:43:22,479 --> 01:43:25,080
Speaker 1: See, Dave's got the right idea. He just wears the glasses.

2269
01:43:25,120 --> 01:43:27,519
Speaker 1: He doesn't rule in front of his T shirt. Yeah.

2270
01:43:27,720 --> 01:43:30,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. There it is right there. Good analysis.

2271
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:31,759
Speaker 3: All right, let's keep it going here, Luke.

2272
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:34,320
Speaker 1: What do you want me to say about them two

2273
01:43:34,320 --> 01:43:35,240
Speaker 1: being at the fights? Yay.

2274
01:43:35,479 --> 01:43:38,599
Speaker 2: This was a pre fight interview with Triple G during

2275
01:43:38,640 --> 01:43:40,920
Speaker 2: fight week where he was asked how much moving up

2276
01:43:40,920 --> 01:43:43,040
Speaker 2: to one sixty eight for the first time will affect

2277
01:43:43,120 --> 01:43:44,160
Speaker 2: his eating this week?

2278
01:43:44,840 --> 01:43:47,200
Speaker 1: You know, like same, probably the same, just only a

2279
01:43:47,280 --> 01:43:51,320
Speaker 1: couple of maybe just maybe like one two more dinners,

2280
01:43:51,360 --> 01:43:55,920
Speaker 1: you know, more burgers, motacols, you know, one, one or

2281
01:43:55,960 --> 01:44:00,960
Speaker 1: two more dinners per night or what proni pronhi extra tacos?

2282
01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:02,600
Speaker 1: Not three other fives?

2283
01:44:02,720 --> 01:44:08,280
Speaker 2: There we go, Uh, Luke G triple G. You may

2284
01:44:08,360 --> 01:44:11,599
Speaker 2: be thinking, how is an athlete you know that typically toned? Although, dude,

2285
01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:13,679
Speaker 2: didn't you look dowey and like you look a little

2286
01:44:13,720 --> 01:44:14,639
Speaker 2: dowie there on Saturday?

2287
01:44:14,640 --> 01:44:16,400
Speaker 1: I mean it's a little he looked you look dowey.

2288
01:44:16,479 --> 01:44:18,040
Speaker 1: He just I'm sure he trained his ass off.

2289
01:44:18,120 --> 01:44:20,920
Speaker 2: He yeah, Well he's been asked in the past. There's

2290
01:44:20,920 --> 01:44:22,240
Speaker 2: a famous sound but I used to play on my

2291
01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:24,920
Speaker 2: boxing podcast of him saying I eat steak every day.

2292
01:44:24,920 --> 01:44:27,600
Speaker 2: I love steak. But Luke, that comment about beef and

2293
01:44:27,640 --> 01:44:30,280
Speaker 2: tacos did remind me to throw back to his twenty

2294
01:44:30,360 --> 01:44:34,200
Speaker 2: thirteen win on independent pay per view against Nobu hero

2295
01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:38,479
Speaker 2: Ashida in Monte Carlo, in which the the cry on

2296
01:44:38,640 --> 01:44:43,280
Speaker 2: graphic there on the lower third his favorite food, Luke meat. Okay,

2297
01:44:43,439 --> 01:44:46,320
Speaker 2: there you go, all right? Like just meat, like, uh,

2298
01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:51,120
Speaker 2: just any kind of meat, roast beef apparently, Luke Okay,

2299
01:44:51,360 --> 01:44:53,519
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, all right.

2300
01:44:54,840 --> 01:44:57,120
Speaker 1: This was a serious question. Do you think Canada Gilovkin

2301
01:44:57,200 --> 01:44:58,759
Speaker 1: has ever eaten at Arby's?

2302
01:44:59,640 --> 01:45:02,519
Speaker 2: Oh? Hell yeah, no, I bet you When he came

2303
01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:02,760
Speaker 2: to the.

2304
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:05,479
Speaker 1: State chance he's ever eaten in an Arby's.

2305
01:45:05,560 --> 01:45:07,360
Speaker 2: Dude, he gets down with the beef and cheddar in

2306
01:45:07,400 --> 01:45:08,680
Speaker 2: the curly fries one hundred in.

2307
01:45:08,640 --> 01:45:12,040
Speaker 1: The Arby's in like a small town. I automatically feel

2308
01:45:12,080 --> 01:45:12,559
Speaker 1: bad for them.

2309
01:45:13,280 --> 01:45:15,519
Speaker 2: Oh, I automactually go there. That was the old meet. Look,

2310
01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:18,479
Speaker 2: but you know my liver is uh yeah, Look, we

2311
01:45:18,560 --> 01:45:20,920
Speaker 2: did get a wholesome moment, not not a great fight,

2312
01:45:21,439 --> 01:45:24,519
Speaker 2: but did you did you pop for the respect between

2313
01:45:24,600 --> 01:45:29,800
Speaker 2: two rivals warriors putting the stripe down?

2314
01:45:29,920 --> 01:45:34,160
Speaker 1: I hated it? Okay, I mean it would have had

2315
01:45:34,280 --> 01:45:37,880
Speaker 1: if they had had a gutsy you know, yeah, more

2316
01:45:38,600 --> 01:45:41,080
Speaker 1: I'd be like, all right, cool, And I get that that,

2317
01:45:41,200 --> 01:45:43,080
Speaker 1: you know, they're allowed to have whatever feelings that they

2318
01:45:43,120 --> 01:45:45,000
Speaker 1: want to have after the fight, and and I'm fine

2319
01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:46,920
Speaker 1: with it, But like, did I pop for it? Fuck? No,

2320
01:45:47,040 --> 01:45:47,800
Speaker 1: I didn't pop for it?

2321
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:51,120
Speaker 2: Didn't it? Compared to that Connor McGregor Floyd Mayweather hug

2322
01:45:51,439 --> 01:45:53,200
Speaker 2: after their fight at the on the dais where it

2323
01:45:53,280 --> 01:45:55,720
Speaker 2: just looked like they were celebrating, like stealing from a bank.

2324
01:45:55,800 --> 01:45:58,679
Speaker 1: You know, it was like, yes, they were like maybe

2325
01:45:58,760 --> 01:46:00,599
Speaker 1: we got motherfucking today.

2326
01:46:00,720 --> 01:46:03,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Look on this undercard.

2327
01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:06,080
Speaker 3: I didn't want to let it go by without shouting out.

2328
01:46:06,160 --> 01:46:12,200
Speaker 2: Here Fresno's Mark Castro with the sick uppercut ko twenty

2329
01:46:12,240 --> 01:46:14,080
Speaker 2: weeks the referee not even needing to count.

2330
01:46:14,200 --> 01:46:17,920
Speaker 1: Look at that, stepped into whether guy was leaning over

2331
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:19,680
Speaker 1: to boy that is he ate Look at that.

2332
01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:24,519
Speaker 2: All of that shot jack, hell of a shot. Hey look,

2333
01:46:24,560 --> 01:46:27,040
Speaker 2: I do happen to have audio of Canelo's response regarding

2334
01:46:27,080 --> 01:46:29,439
Speaker 2: the Benavidez comments, So let's go to that quickly.

2335
01:46:31,040 --> 01:46:35,920
Speaker 5: Nice always I say these you show that video and

2336
01:46:36,040 --> 01:46:40,080
Speaker 5: put whatever you want. When I say I don't want

2337
01:46:40,120 --> 01:46:45,240
Speaker 5: to fight Mexican is because I represent Mexico and that's why.

2338
01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:46,760
Speaker 1: But I don't care.

2339
01:46:47,080 --> 01:46:50,959
Speaker 5: I fight anybody, and I fight my entire life anybody.

2340
01:46:52,200 --> 01:46:54,439
Speaker 5: Whether you think I don't, I don't. I don't want

2341
01:46:54,479 --> 01:46:59,600
Speaker 5: to fight with one Mexico with Navidia's But look, I

2342
01:47:00,280 --> 01:47:04,200
Speaker 5: he's not talking a lot of shit, but look what

2343
01:47:04,479 --> 01:47:11,479
Speaker 5: he's Look he's accomplished nothing, one single champion. Anthony Derell

2344
01:47:13,800 --> 01:47:17,160
Speaker 5: please Donder just pend myself, please, guys.

2345
01:47:20,680 --> 01:47:23,479
Speaker 2: I'm also happy Canelo stopped disrespecting himself by wearing those

2346
01:47:23,479 --> 01:47:26,840
Speaker 2: pajamas everywhere. Those those uh gaudy Hugh Hefner line, Luke,

2347
01:47:26,840 --> 01:47:29,000
Speaker 2: he's back in street clothes again, so that's also good

2348
01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:29,280
Speaker 2: to see.

2349
01:47:29,640 --> 01:47:32,720
Speaker 1: But you know, I just didn't like those comments very much.

2350
01:47:33,200 --> 01:47:35,320
Speaker 2: I know, like, like I get it, but I also

2351
01:47:35,360 --> 01:47:39,280
Speaker 2: am beginning to not not love it. Real did recognize real,

2352
01:47:39,400 --> 01:47:42,599
Speaker 2: Luke backstage as Canelo met up with Steph Curry, who

2353
01:47:42,680 --> 01:47:44,479
Speaker 2: was in the crowd. I can't tell if they are

2354
01:47:44,520 --> 01:47:48,519
Speaker 2: taking a selfie here or admiring each other's d M nudes. Luke,

2355
01:47:48,600 --> 01:47:49,400
Speaker 2: your your thoughts?

2356
01:47:49,720 --> 01:47:52,000
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen that? It's like a I saw

2357
01:47:52,040 --> 01:47:54,840
Speaker 1: it like on a Sports Center Instagram reel where like

2358
01:47:55,040 --> 01:47:58,559
Speaker 1: they are on the golf course and then Steph Curry

2359
01:47:58,560 --> 01:48:00,400
Speaker 1: gets a little ballsy and was like, hey, hey let's

2360
01:48:00,479 --> 01:48:02,920
Speaker 1: face off. And then Canelo I did see that. Yeah,

2361
01:48:03,040 --> 01:48:05,800
Speaker 1: you know, catches in between punches like a motherfucker. Oh.

2362
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:07,760
Speaker 1: He was like, yep, bad enough, that's good. I'm We're

2363
01:48:07,760 --> 01:48:10,720
Speaker 1: all good. Did you see Obj calling Canelo before the fight?

2364
01:48:10,840 --> 01:48:11,120
Speaker 1: I did.

2365
01:48:11,360 --> 01:48:13,720
Speaker 2: I did. It was awkward because it was like like

2366
01:48:13,880 --> 01:48:14,400
Speaker 2: broken in and.

2367
01:48:14,479 --> 01:48:16,520
Speaker 3: I was like yeah, yeah, yeah, good, Okay.

2368
01:48:16,320 --> 01:48:18,080
Speaker 1: You know I hate it because he's like, how you feeling,

2369
01:48:18,160 --> 01:48:21,080
Speaker 1: Champion's like I feel good? I feel good. I'm ready.

2370
01:48:21,120 --> 01:48:23,200
Speaker 1: I'm ready. But they don't really say ship to each other.

2371
01:48:23,840 --> 01:48:24,439
Speaker 1: I don't like it.

2372
01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:28,800
Speaker 2: Look. Our producer Courtney responded over text by saying, Julia

2373
01:48:28,880 --> 01:48:29,920
Speaker 2: Rose could catch these hands.

2374
01:48:29,960 --> 01:48:31,639
Speaker 1: I just wanted to. I just wanted to make sure

2375
01:48:31,680 --> 01:48:33,559
Speaker 1: that the eco's I'm seeing that here, ye.

2376
01:48:34,600 --> 01:48:37,559
Speaker 2: Luke, wholesome moment of the week, like the late great

2377
01:48:37,720 --> 01:48:40,840
Speaker 2: Kobe Bryant. Luke, you are a hashtag girl dad, but

2378
01:48:41,240 --> 01:49:03,280
Speaker 2: so is Canelo. Here's after the fighting, Luke. Is that

2379
01:49:03,360 --> 01:49:05,479
Speaker 2: how Twokey greets you after every MK episode?

2380
01:49:05,880 --> 01:49:07,800
Speaker 1: Uh? Not after every MK episode, but when I pick

2381
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:09,559
Speaker 1: her up from school, I get that kind of treatment.

2382
01:49:09,680 --> 01:49:11,479
Speaker 1: Makes it feel like a million bucks.

2383
01:49:11,320 --> 01:49:13,160
Speaker 2: Man, I mean what that was? That was great to watch, right,

2384
01:49:13,360 --> 01:49:14,880
Speaker 2: That was a good wholesome moment on this show.

2385
01:49:14,960 --> 01:49:17,240
Speaker 1: That's a very wholesome moment. That's a very wholesome moment.

2386
01:49:17,320 --> 01:49:19,519
Speaker 1: And my wife and I we had we went on

2387
01:49:19,840 --> 01:49:22,160
Speaker 1: we went to Philly for the weekend and then when

2388
01:49:22,160 --> 01:49:24,120
Speaker 1: we can we just for one night. And then when

2389
01:49:24,120 --> 01:49:27,040
Speaker 1: we came back, our daughter greeted us inside the house

2390
01:49:27,080 --> 01:49:27,360
Speaker 1: that way.

2391
01:49:27,439 --> 01:49:30,559
Speaker 2: So it was nice, great, great stuff. Uh, Luke, let's

2392
01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:32,240
Speaker 2: see the actual KO of the week. And it came

2393
01:49:32,280 --> 01:49:36,040
Speaker 2: from Tuesday's Dana White's Contender series. Uh get ready to

2394
01:49:36,120 --> 01:49:41,080
Speaker 2: meet Bruna Brasil with this head kicked stoppage of Marnick Mann.

2395
01:49:42,080 --> 01:49:45,280
Speaker 1: Damn, that's like that, you know what that reminds me of.

2396
01:49:45,920 --> 01:49:48,280
Speaker 1: It was almost in her mannerisms with the way she

2397
01:49:48,400 --> 01:49:50,840
Speaker 1: fell as well. It reminds me a little bit. It's

2398
01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:53,160
Speaker 1: not quite as devastating, but it's pretty close to the

2399
01:49:53,360 --> 01:49:56,080
Speaker 1: uh rashot Evans Sean Samon knockout, Oh God, where he

2400
01:49:56,120 --> 01:49:58,479
Speaker 1: gets hit and Sean Salmon actually comes forward a little

2401
01:49:58,520 --> 01:50:01,600
Speaker 1: bit and then does the test of in church bit afterwards.

2402
01:50:01,640 --> 01:50:04,200
Speaker 2: You know, it's like he put his toes right in

2403
01:50:04,240 --> 01:50:06,280
Speaker 2: Sean Salmon's mouth. He's like, you got a foot fetish

2404
01:50:06,320 --> 01:50:07,920
Speaker 2: pro right.

2405
01:50:09,040 --> 01:50:10,120
Speaker 1: He put his toes in his mouth.

2406
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:15,879
Speaker 2: Okay, more on that later, Luke president, Uh Florida President

2407
01:50:16,040 --> 01:50:20,080
Speaker 2: Ron DeSantis is still considering iron in president, you mean

2408
01:50:20,640 --> 01:50:23,679
Speaker 2: Florida president of that other nation down there. Luke still

2409
01:50:23,720 --> 01:50:26,040
Speaker 2: considering a run for the big one in twenty twenty four.

2410
01:50:26,160 --> 01:50:29,280
Speaker 2: But right now he's on the campaign trail signing skull

2411
01:50:29,400 --> 01:50:33,479
Speaker 2: cans Luke Wow.

2412
01:50:34,320 --> 01:50:36,320
Speaker 1: And by the way, by the way, not skull, that's

2413
01:50:36,439 --> 01:50:38,680
Speaker 1: Zen which if I'm not I could be wrong about this.

2414
01:50:39,160 --> 01:50:42,400
Speaker 1: I think those are like bandits, which you know, there's

2415
01:50:42,439 --> 01:50:44,240
Speaker 1: like the little pouches you put in your mouth. And

2416
01:50:44,560 --> 01:50:46,560
Speaker 1: here's my view on this. And by the way, I

2417
01:50:46,600 --> 01:50:48,439
Speaker 1: think zen is just nicotine, So I don't know if

2418
01:50:48,439 --> 01:50:51,479
Speaker 1: it's the same, but if the nicotine things are separate.

2419
01:50:51,520 --> 01:50:54,960
Speaker 1: But if you're just gonna get regular like tobacco, you

2420
01:50:55,160 --> 01:50:58,360
Speaker 1: can't use the fucking bandits at all, Like you.

2421
01:50:58,520 --> 01:51:02,920
Speaker 2: Can't do that, okay, But like you know, I'm not coordinated.

2422
01:51:02,960 --> 01:51:06,080
Speaker 2: I don't roller skater ski, Luke, I can't keep from

2423
01:51:06,240 --> 01:51:09,720
Speaker 2: accidentally swallowing that in puking for six straight hours. Not

2424
01:51:09,840 --> 01:51:12,680
Speaker 2: that I've dipped in the last you know, two and

2425
01:51:12,720 --> 01:51:14,600
Speaker 2: a half decades, but Luke, I used to.

2426
01:51:14,920 --> 01:51:16,840
Speaker 1: It's not that hard to not throw up. I gotta

2427
01:51:16,840 --> 01:51:19,000
Speaker 1: be honest, I dip for years. It's really not that hard.

2428
01:51:19,520 --> 01:51:21,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it once you do it, like once you

2429
01:51:21,640 --> 01:51:24,080
Speaker 2: drunkenly accidentally swallow it and then you throw up for

2430
01:51:24,400 --> 01:51:28,040
Speaker 2: you know, hours. Really, to be fair, it's that fear

2431
01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:31,960
Speaker 2: almost makes the experience not enjoyable. That the packets are

2432
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:35,160
Speaker 2: like a condom for that, Luke, let's be fair here, Okay.

2433
01:51:35,080 --> 01:51:38,160
Speaker 1: No, the packets. If you pack it tight enough, right.

2434
01:51:38,600 --> 01:51:40,080
Speaker 3: I mean, who wants mouth chlamydia?

2435
01:51:40,360 --> 01:51:40,519
Speaker 5: Right?

2436
01:51:42,439 --> 01:51:44,879
Speaker 1: If you pack it tight enough, it's not a problem.

2437
01:51:45,439 --> 01:51:47,360
Speaker 1: And also, this is a true story. People don't believe

2438
01:51:47,360 --> 01:51:48,800
Speaker 1: me when I tell them this, but it's one hundred

2439
01:51:48,800 --> 01:51:50,880
Speaker 1: percent fucking true. And I saw with my own eyes

2440
01:51:51,040 --> 01:51:53,919
Speaker 1: over and over and over again. Dude, my drill instructors

2441
01:51:53,960 --> 01:51:55,600
Speaker 1: at boot camp, they would dip in their mouth and

2442
01:51:55,640 --> 01:51:57,320
Speaker 1: they would swallow the juice all day long.

2443
01:51:57,479 --> 01:52:00,920
Speaker 2: That's just so watching it. I mean, I've seen people

2444
01:52:01,000 --> 01:52:04,000
Speaker 2: eat the green on a watermelon. I've seen people swallow

2445
01:52:04,120 --> 01:52:05,479
Speaker 2: sunflower seeds left and right.

2446
01:52:05,400 --> 01:52:07,000
Speaker 3: Even though it makes you shit sideways. I mean, who

2447
01:52:07,000 --> 01:52:07,680
Speaker 3: would want to do that?

2448
01:52:07,800 --> 01:52:08,040
Speaker 1: Luke?

2449
01:52:08,080 --> 01:52:09,600
Speaker 2: But that's just disgusting.

2450
01:52:09,920 --> 01:52:12,200
Speaker 1: It's pretty fucking gross. But those dudes were tough. They

2451
01:52:12,240 --> 01:52:13,960
Speaker 1: were tough. They were tough fucking guys.

2452
01:52:14,560 --> 01:52:18,240
Speaker 2: God wow, all right, uh, Luke? Speaking of pro wrestling,

2453
01:52:18,320 --> 01:52:22,320
Speaker 2: there nice segue from DeSantis, Roman Reigns and Logan Paul

2454
01:52:22,360 --> 01:52:25,439
Speaker 2: are going to headline the WWE Crown Jewel pay per

2455
01:52:25,560 --> 01:52:27,360
Speaker 2: view in Saudi Arabia November fifth.

2456
01:52:27,600 --> 01:52:29,840
Speaker 3: They actually did a real sports like press.

2457
01:52:29,600 --> 01:52:33,080
Speaker 2: Conference which had your typical amount of theatrics. Okay, I'm

2458
01:52:33,080 --> 01:52:34,720
Speaker 2: not going to waste time asking you do you care?

2459
01:52:34,800 --> 01:52:37,439
Speaker 2: I know you don't, But dude, Logan just went from like, hey,

2460
01:52:37,560 --> 01:52:40,759
Speaker 2: he's not bad at this to now wrestling the biggest

2461
01:52:40,880 --> 01:52:42,559
Speaker 2: name in the big you know, in a big pay

2462
01:52:42,560 --> 01:52:44,920
Speaker 2: per view. Are you impressed? You're impressed by this, Luke?

2463
01:52:47,080 --> 01:52:49,120
Speaker 1: And when you say impressed, what are you impressed by?

2464
01:52:49,200 --> 01:52:49,240
Speaker 2: What?

2465
01:52:49,840 --> 01:52:49,960
Speaker 1: By?

2466
01:52:50,080 --> 01:52:52,800
Speaker 2: How like legitimate he is? Like I know that you know,

2467
01:52:52,880 --> 01:52:54,800
Speaker 2: Lawrence Taylor had a wrestle Mania main event match. I

2468
01:52:54,880 --> 01:52:57,080
Speaker 2: know that anyone can do that one time. But like

2469
01:52:58,120 --> 01:53:00,160
Speaker 2: they're putting him in there with the biggest guy, like

2470
01:53:00,200 --> 01:53:02,720
Speaker 2: they must believe that he can really carry this and work.

2471
01:53:03,120 --> 01:53:05,120
Speaker 1: What is there? So I'll ask you this, what is

2472
01:53:05,240 --> 01:53:07,719
Speaker 1: from what you can tell? What is the fan base?

2473
01:53:07,800 --> 01:53:10,559
Speaker 2: His response, to be fair, I don't know because I'm

2474
01:53:10,560 --> 01:53:12,200
Speaker 2: not watching. I only kind of catch this stuff on

2475
01:53:12,240 --> 01:53:13,800
Speaker 2: social media because I still follow a lot.

2476
01:53:13,760 --> 01:53:14,360
Speaker 3: Of these accounts.

2477
01:53:14,400 --> 01:53:16,760
Speaker 2: But I'm going to tune in, you know, I want

2478
01:53:16,760 --> 01:53:18,680
Speaker 2: to see the build because I want to see like

2479
01:53:18,760 --> 01:53:19,559
Speaker 2: can he work the mic?

2480
01:53:19,680 --> 01:53:21,439
Speaker 3: Like how good is he actually? Because this is a

2481
01:53:21,479 --> 01:53:22,120
Speaker 3: big opportunity.

2482
01:53:22,160 --> 01:53:24,720
Speaker 1: I'll say this, I've only ever seen shit like uh,

2483
01:53:24,920 --> 01:53:28,040
Speaker 1: like Sports Center when he was at WrestleMania, right, yeah,

2484
01:53:28,080 --> 01:53:28,400
Speaker 1: that's right.

2485
01:53:28,800 --> 01:53:30,960
Speaker 3: Yeah that he did jump through the table.

2486
01:53:31,200 --> 01:53:35,760
Speaker 1: Yeah he did someone where he jumped off the turnbuckle

2487
01:53:35,800 --> 01:53:38,560
Speaker 1: whatever the fuckro someone was on the table and he

2488
01:53:38,680 --> 01:53:41,120
Speaker 1: landed on top of him. He looked pretty fucking athletic

2489
01:53:41,240 --> 01:53:44,439
Speaker 1: doing that. I'll say that. So beyond that, I don't

2490
01:53:44,479 --> 01:53:46,360
Speaker 1: really give a shit, but he does appear to be

2491
01:53:47,360 --> 01:53:48,320
Speaker 1: well suited for that.

2492
01:53:49,200 --> 01:53:51,840
Speaker 2: It's it's it's an interesting move here, ww making a

2493
01:53:51,840 --> 01:53:53,920
Speaker 2: lot of changes in the post Vince era. Luke, they're

2494
01:53:53,960 --> 01:53:55,600
Speaker 2: knocking on my door again, but I'm not ready to

2495
01:53:55,640 --> 01:53:58,599
Speaker 2: open it. Let's go to regional MMA. That's some wild

2496
01:53:58,680 --> 01:54:01,080
Speaker 2: shit that you never thought you'd see. How about Spinny

2497
01:54:01,160 --> 01:54:05,000
Speaker 2: ship gone wrong into Spinny Ship gone right? Look at

2498
01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:12,320
Speaker 2: this finish? Oh wow, good.

2499
01:54:12,400 --> 01:54:15,320
Speaker 1: He he did the old Nate Mark quart On Wilson

2500
01:54:15,400 --> 01:54:17,799
Speaker 1: gouvea where let me show it again. It's like spinning

2501
01:54:18,200 --> 01:54:21,800
Speaker 1: Let's see spinning backfist into a headkick that misses, and

2502
01:54:21,920 --> 01:54:23,840
Speaker 1: then he just goes with the old spinning back elbow

2503
01:54:24,120 --> 01:54:24,880
Speaker 1: fucking a.

2504
01:54:25,479 --> 01:54:26,719
Speaker 2: That's a perfect shot.

2505
01:54:26,960 --> 01:54:29,760
Speaker 3: That's arguably your real knockout of the week. Damn all right,

2506
01:54:29,840 --> 01:54:31,080
Speaker 3: let's go to some Russian mma.

2507
01:54:31,240 --> 01:54:35,280
Speaker 2: Luke. Uh, this this is a pretty good KO with

2508
01:54:35,320 --> 01:54:36,520
Speaker 2: the Week candidate.

2509
01:54:38,080 --> 01:54:41,600
Speaker 1: Bob, Yeah, this one posted this one.

2510
01:54:42,280 --> 01:54:45,800
Speaker 2: This is all caposa. Yeah, this is a grabo.

2511
01:54:46,840 --> 01:54:48,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're gonna have it. Did you

2512
01:54:48,040 --> 01:54:51,000
Speaker 1: see the fucking guy who's doing the like a Russian

2513
01:54:51,080 --> 01:54:51,520
Speaker 1: mm A thing?

2514
01:54:51,560 --> 01:54:54,320
Speaker 2: And then then I got that in the in the

2515
01:54:54,760 --> 01:54:58,480
Speaker 2: in the bin for next week, Luke. But yeah, that's good. Hey, Luke,

2516
01:54:59,280 --> 01:55:02,960
Speaker 2: Kickboxing Soccer KO of the Week. This can't be legal.

2517
01:55:03,120 --> 01:55:04,120
Speaker 2: I mean, what what is this?

2518
01:55:05,720 --> 01:55:06,840
Speaker 1: Yeah? That seems a little much.

2519
01:55:07,400 --> 01:55:10,520
Speaker 3: That's I mean, do you you probably get cut and

2520
01:55:10,680 --> 01:55:11,560
Speaker 3: arrested for doing that?

2521
01:55:11,680 --> 01:55:11,840
Speaker 1: Right?

2522
01:55:11,920 --> 01:55:12,760
Speaker 2: That's wow?

2523
01:55:13,440 --> 01:55:15,520
Speaker 1: He gets pushed off balance, not even hit. He's just

2524
01:55:15,600 --> 01:55:17,520
Speaker 1: like fuck it, take this l hold down.

2525
01:55:20,920 --> 01:55:23,000
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to the backyard fighting pit. We're

2526
01:55:23,000 --> 01:55:26,800
Speaker 2: all over the place regionally this week. Watch the guy

2527
01:55:26,840 --> 01:55:28,360
Speaker 2: in the sweatshirt deliver the.

2528
01:55:28,640 --> 01:55:31,280
Speaker 3: Boom pod style.

2529
01:55:34,520 --> 01:55:37,200
Speaker 2: Payable upon dirt. Luke, that's where the back of that

2530
01:55:37,280 --> 01:55:37,760
Speaker 2: guy's had.

2531
01:55:37,960 --> 01:55:40,760
Speaker 1: Jesus, I mean, dude, look at this guy. It's like

2532
01:55:41,120 --> 01:55:44,120
Speaker 1: it's like you know this the black guy here is

2533
01:55:44,120 --> 01:55:46,720
Speaker 1: like a normal dude, and then he's going up against

2534
01:55:46,880 --> 01:55:49,920
Speaker 1: a dude. This this white gentleman who looks like his

2535
01:55:50,040 --> 01:55:52,800
Speaker 1: fighting experience is limited to the mosh pit for.

2536
01:55:55,200 --> 01:55:57,840
Speaker 2: Yep. Thought he was tough, Luke and ended up on

2537
01:55:57,920 --> 01:55:58,760
Speaker 2: our show. Wow.

2538
01:55:59,280 --> 01:56:01,480
Speaker 1: That is he gets hit with the right hand as

2539
01:56:01,520 --> 01:56:02,920
Speaker 1: the other guy step by the way, I listen, he's

2540
01:56:02,920 --> 01:56:04,440
Speaker 1: got a little bit of ability. Dude.

2541
01:56:04,440 --> 01:56:06,400
Speaker 3: That's like a broken brainstem that shot, Luke.

2542
01:56:06,480 --> 01:56:07,320
Speaker 2: That's ridiculous.

2543
01:56:07,360 --> 01:56:08,960
Speaker 1: Look at look at his lead hand. I mean it

2544
01:56:09,040 --> 01:56:11,080
Speaker 1: could it be lower? Could you just put that shit

2545
01:56:11,120 --> 01:56:13,880
Speaker 1: around your waist next time? Max Truck?

2546
01:56:14,640 --> 01:56:16,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know this guy's experience. I think

2547
01:56:16,600 --> 01:56:18,560
Speaker 2: I do now. Actually, there you go. Uh, let's go

2548
01:56:18,800 --> 01:56:22,040
Speaker 2: to uh probably the weirdest regional MMA clip we've had

2549
01:56:22,080 --> 01:56:22,720
Speaker 2: in a while, Luke.

2550
01:56:22,760 --> 01:56:23,760
Speaker 3: It was effective, though.

2551
01:56:24,160 --> 01:56:30,360
Speaker 2: Is this your new KO of the year in MMA? Dude?

2552
01:56:30,440 --> 01:56:33,480
Speaker 1: How is MMA turning into like two seven year old

2553
01:56:33,520 --> 01:56:36,440
Speaker 1: brothers wrestling in the living room? Wow? How did that?

2554
01:56:36,640 --> 01:56:38,120
Speaker 1: When the fuck did that happen?

2555
01:56:38,520 --> 01:56:40,880
Speaker 2: They called that a missile dropkick in pro wrestling. I've

2556
01:56:40,960 --> 01:56:42,760
Speaker 2: never thought you could ever see that in a real fight.

2557
01:56:42,920 --> 01:56:48,040
Speaker 1: Wow, dude, I'm telling you everyone thinks UFC is MMA.

2558
01:56:48,240 --> 01:56:52,160
Speaker 1: UFC is not MMA, that's MMA. This shit right here.

2559
01:56:52,440 --> 01:56:56,560
Speaker 1: That is MMA is crazy and insane and hard to understand,

2560
01:56:56,720 --> 01:56:58,920
Speaker 1: kind of stupid but kind of great, but kind of weird.

2561
01:56:59,320 --> 01:56:59,920
Speaker 1: That's Mma.

2562
01:57:01,280 --> 01:57:03,600
Speaker 2: Look, I made the Rashard foot fetish joke before. I'm

2563
01:57:03,640 --> 01:57:06,280
Speaker 2: sorry about that, but he did. Our colleague was back

2564
01:57:06,360 --> 01:57:09,880
Speaker 2: on a big time podcast. Ashley Evan Smith had him

2565
01:57:09,880 --> 01:57:11,960
Speaker 2: on Luke, let's go to the videotape.

2566
01:57:13,000 --> 01:57:13,640
Speaker 1: Foot fetish?

2567
01:57:17,360 --> 01:57:19,800
Speaker 4: Maybe a little, a little bit all right, a little,

2568
01:57:20,360 --> 01:57:23,400
Speaker 4: but listen, here's the thing about like like a girl

2569
01:57:23,560 --> 01:57:25,120
Speaker 4: like I look at the feet, I do look at

2570
01:57:25,120 --> 01:57:28,080
Speaker 4: the feet like, and I'm not like I know good

2571
01:57:28,120 --> 01:57:29,240
Speaker 4: feet too, you know what I'm saying.

2572
01:57:29,280 --> 01:57:32,760
Speaker 2: So I'm not very picky, but I'm kind of picky

2573
01:57:32,800 --> 01:57:32,960
Speaker 2: with it.

2574
01:57:33,120 --> 01:57:35,640
Speaker 6: Now do you do you use okay? Because I feel

2575
01:57:35,640 --> 01:57:38,160
Speaker 6: like there's there's two two people right, one who sees

2576
01:57:38,280 --> 01:57:40,840
Speaker 6: the feet and is like aroused and then the other

2577
01:57:40,880 --> 01:57:43,640
Speaker 6: one who loses the feet as an indicator of how

2578
01:57:43,760 --> 01:57:46,320
Speaker 6: the woman or man takes care of themselves.

2579
01:57:48,040 --> 01:57:49,920
Speaker 4: And it's kind of both ways for me, Like I'm like,

2580
01:57:50,040 --> 01:57:52,400
Speaker 4: I can't, like I don't. I'm not gonna sit in

2581
01:57:52,440 --> 01:57:55,080
Speaker 4: the corner like you know, you know, massive bates to

2582
01:57:55,160 --> 01:57:56,120
Speaker 4: a pitch or nothing like.

2583
01:57:56,200 --> 01:57:59,480
Speaker 6: That, but to your little to your little little stubby toes.

2584
01:58:00,160 --> 01:58:01,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not going to do that to the feet.

2585
01:58:01,840 --> 01:58:04,200
Speaker 4: But I mean like I definitely look at him like,

2586
01:58:04,240 --> 01:58:05,880
Speaker 4: oh that was a nice feet, and I'm like, you know,

2587
01:58:06,120 --> 01:58:09,040
Speaker 4: and I can definitely there's definitely Okay, I've seen enough.

2588
01:58:09,120 --> 01:58:09,520
Speaker 2: There we go.

2589
01:58:10,640 --> 01:58:12,760
Speaker 1: This is more information about Rashad than I can't.

2590
01:58:14,520 --> 01:58:16,680
Speaker 2: Luke, We've been making them lick the toe joke for

2591
01:58:16,760 --> 01:58:19,520
Speaker 2: a long time about his shaman experiences should be lick

2592
01:58:19,600 --> 01:58:24,120
Speaker 2: the toe. Apparently. Uh wow. But that question that she asked,

2593
01:58:24,120 --> 01:58:26,000
Speaker 2: did it did ring home true for me? She said,

2594
01:58:26,000 --> 01:58:29,000
Speaker 2: you know, just looking at a woman's feet give you

2595
01:58:29,040 --> 01:58:31,920
Speaker 2: an indication of, you know, her cleanliness and hygiene. Luke,

2596
01:58:32,040 --> 01:58:34,560
Speaker 2: so he must think I'm a savage, right.

2597
01:58:35,840 --> 01:58:38,360
Speaker 1: I don't think he cares about you one way or

2598
01:58:38,400 --> 01:58:40,680
Speaker 1: the other. I will say this, what happened to just

2599
01:58:40,800 --> 01:58:42,720
Speaker 1: being like a t and a guy? Like what the

2600
01:58:43,040 --> 01:58:45,360
Speaker 1: people like I look at the feet and they have

2601
01:58:45,440 --> 01:58:47,760
Speaker 1: to be manicured. I'm like, all right, they can't have hooves,

2602
01:58:48,600 --> 01:58:54,400
Speaker 1: But like, isn't like a isn't TNA like that's the thing,

2603
01:58:54,560 --> 01:58:55,040
Speaker 1: that's what they.

2604
01:58:57,040 --> 01:58:59,240
Speaker 2: A lot of TNA maybe got bored Luke and had

2605
01:58:59,280 --> 01:59:01,760
Speaker 2: to find other things. Who knows he lived a very celebrity.

2606
01:59:02,080 --> 01:59:04,560
Speaker 1: You can count me in as not bored by TNA.

2607
01:59:04,840 --> 01:59:05,640
Speaker 1: I am not bored.

2608
01:59:06,960 --> 01:59:09,600
Speaker 2: You're like, I've still had so little experience overall in

2609
01:59:09,680 --> 01:59:14,080
Speaker 2: these categories that still enjoying it, Still enjoying it? Yes, okay, Uh,

2610
01:59:14,320 --> 01:59:17,440
Speaker 2: let's go to the uh the soccer pitch, only it's

2611
01:59:17,480 --> 01:59:18,200
Speaker 2: inside of a bar.

2612
01:59:18,400 --> 01:59:21,160
Speaker 3: Luke, theatrics ensue.

2613
01:59:25,920 --> 01:59:27,080
Speaker 1: That fuck stumbling.

2614
01:59:28,600 --> 01:59:31,520
Speaker 2: I mean, that's Roberto Bagio level of ball control there.

2615
01:59:31,880 --> 01:59:33,480
Speaker 1: My favorite part of this is he just moves the

2616
01:59:33,560 --> 01:59:35,360
Speaker 1: ball out of the guy's way so he can walk,

2617
01:59:35,400 --> 01:59:35,960
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh.

2618
01:59:39,600 --> 01:59:43,560
Speaker 2: Elder abuse never gets old. Only the participants do. Hey, look,

2619
01:59:43,600 --> 01:59:46,000
Speaker 2: this is how a real American family moves furniture.

2620
01:59:50,800 --> 01:59:51,960
Speaker 1: Can you blow that up? Please?

2621
01:59:56,880 --> 02:00:01,720
Speaker 2: That is you know, it's it's that's ingenuity right there.

2622
02:00:02,160 --> 02:00:04,920
Speaker 1: Hey, why don't you be less prepared for move day?

2623
02:00:05,080 --> 02:00:08,360
Speaker 1: It's fucking raining and you have nothing to hold the

2624
02:00:08,400 --> 02:00:11,400
Speaker 1: furniture in. You couldn't get a U haul truck for

2625
02:00:11,520 --> 02:00:12,120
Speaker 1: twenty bucks?

2626
02:00:13,440 --> 02:00:15,080
Speaker 2: Yeah? Really if they apparently they couldn't.

2627
02:00:15,120 --> 02:00:18,360
Speaker 1: Luke the Queen's oh, by the way, by the way,

2628
02:00:18,520 --> 02:00:20,760
Speaker 1: driving in the fucking not even in the fucking lane

2629
02:00:20,920 --> 02:00:22,640
Speaker 1: just on the side of the road where people need

2630
02:00:22,680 --> 02:00:25,839
Speaker 1: to stop in case they have emergencies. These fucking hillbillies

2631
02:00:25,880 --> 02:00:27,440
Speaker 1: are just like, yeah, we're gonna hold furniture in this

2632
02:00:27,520 --> 02:00:28,120
Speaker 1: fucking lane.

2633
02:00:30,680 --> 02:00:32,800
Speaker 2: Oh obaha, somewhere in Middle America.

2634
02:00:32,920 --> 02:00:33,080
Speaker 1: Luke.

2635
02:00:33,160 --> 02:00:36,040
Speaker 2: Let's go though, now to look the queen's funeral this morning.

2636
02:00:36,040 --> 02:00:38,720
Speaker 2: I watch the live coverage at NBC. Luke much respects

2637
02:00:38,800 --> 02:00:42,640
Speaker 2: to our our Morning UK fans, but everybody's paying tribute

2638
02:00:42,760 --> 02:00:47,560
Speaker 2: to the queen in their own way, including PFL celebrity

2639
02:00:48,200 --> 02:00:49,200
Speaker 2: the liver King. Luke.

2640
02:00:50,360 --> 02:00:51,320
Speaker 1: I mean this dufiss.

2641
02:00:53,160 --> 02:00:57,200
Speaker 2: You know. The caption on this on Twitter was, you know,

2642
02:00:57,280 --> 02:00:59,880
Speaker 2: it's what she would have wanted, Luke. And I'm sure

2643
02:00:59,920 --> 02:01:00,760
Speaker 2: that's true, you know.

2644
02:01:01,560 --> 02:01:05,080
Speaker 1: I mean, he is such a goofball, if ever there

2645
02:01:05,280 --> 02:01:07,000
Speaker 1: was one. Well, the good news is he's all natty.

2646
02:01:07,120 --> 02:01:08,080
Speaker 1: That's the good part, you know.

2647
02:01:08,480 --> 02:01:11,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, we should combine. We should combine more categories

2648
02:01:11,640 --> 02:01:14,440
Speaker 2: for like, you know, we had grieving and liver king

2649
02:01:14,520 --> 02:01:17,680
Speaker 2: right there, how about we combined bbls and scooters. That

2650
02:01:17,760 --> 02:01:18,600
Speaker 2: sounds like a good idea.

2651
02:01:18,680 --> 02:01:20,760
Speaker 1: Right, all right, you've captured my attention. Let's see what

2652
02:01:20,800 --> 02:01:23,560
Speaker 1: you got. Oh no, Oh.

2653
02:01:24,880 --> 02:01:29,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, she looks. I'm not.

2654
02:01:29,480 --> 02:01:32,040
Speaker 1: I mean, how do you know she's you know, she

2655
02:01:32,120 --> 02:01:35,840
Speaker 1: looks she could be a lot of different ethnicities, And

2656
02:01:35,920 --> 02:01:37,880
Speaker 1: I like, this is my favorite part about it. She's

2657
02:01:37,920 --> 02:01:40,480
Speaker 1: not going that fast, but she tries to talk ship

2658
02:01:40,560 --> 02:01:43,600
Speaker 1: to the phone, realizes she's gonna run headlong into this

2659
02:01:43,720 --> 02:01:48,120
Speaker 1: fucking other scooter on the floor. Oh yeah, and then

2660
02:01:48,440 --> 02:01:51,240
Speaker 1: just decides, you know, I gotta I gotta make I

2661
02:01:51,520 --> 02:01:55,720
Speaker 1: gotta you know, take evasive action, and then just fucking collapses, which.

2662
02:01:55,640 --> 02:01:59,560
Speaker 2: Is poor poor female there. Wow, Luke, this week in alcohol,

2663
02:01:59,600 --> 02:02:02,040
Speaker 2: we got some good ones here, Luke. You remember Internet

2664
02:02:02,160 --> 02:02:04,480
Speaker 2: Instagram drinking legend Ronnie Deutsch.

2665
02:02:04,280 --> 02:02:05,680
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, what happened to him?

2666
02:02:06,720 --> 02:02:07,880
Speaker 2: He's now dressing up like.

2667
02:02:07,960 --> 02:02:11,240
Speaker 3: Ricky Bobby and uh and playing Papa shot.

2668
02:02:11,320 --> 02:02:11,760
Speaker 2: Let's watch.

2669
02:02:17,600 --> 02:02:19,280
Speaker 3: And now for the drinking exploits.

2670
02:02:19,520 --> 02:02:20,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me say I didn't care any of it

2671
02:02:21,080 --> 02:02:24,600
Speaker 1: at all. About the basketball just a picture of like

2672
02:02:24,960 --> 02:02:27,480
Speaker 1: Guinness or whatever the fuck that is, dude.

2673
02:02:27,760 --> 02:02:30,280
Speaker 2: I mean, one day he'll just drop. But until then, Luke,

2674
02:02:30,320 --> 02:02:34,720
Speaker 2: he is setting a new standard in this genre, right

2675
02:02:35,160 --> 02:02:37,080
Speaker 2: and now he'll tell you that is that?

2676
02:02:37,120 --> 02:02:39,160
Speaker 1: I mean as a party trick, they don't come much

2677
02:02:39,200 --> 02:02:39,720
Speaker 1: better than that.

2678
02:02:40,640 --> 02:02:43,800
Speaker 3: How about the autograph tour hair, Luke, tell.

2679
02:02:43,600 --> 02:02:45,160
Speaker 1: Me he didn't drink out of a fucking show. Oh,

2680
02:02:45,200 --> 02:02:47,560
Speaker 1: he's gonna sign some team. Okay, all right, this is

2681
02:02:47,600 --> 02:02:48,080
Speaker 1: getting good.

2682
02:02:48,720 --> 02:02:51,680
Speaker 2: Little tattoo on ttea action there from old Ronnie Deutsch,

2683
02:02:52,000 --> 02:02:55,280
Speaker 2: Well done? Uh, Luke, does this get you a terrified

2684
02:02:55,360 --> 02:02:58,360
Speaker 2: or aroused? We've all been in that spot where we

2685
02:02:58,400 --> 02:02:59,560
Speaker 2: can't find a can opener.

2686
02:03:04,800 --> 02:03:07,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that's the arousal category.

2687
02:03:08,960 --> 02:03:10,280
Speaker 2: Which she raised by wolves.

2688
02:03:10,360 --> 02:03:13,000
Speaker 1: Luke. Wow, all right, I'm gonna pull that in the

2689
02:03:13,240 --> 02:03:17,400
Speaker 1: definite arousal category she has. She is handy with her mouth.

2690
02:03:18,440 --> 02:03:21,440
Speaker 2: Wow, Luke, let's go to the NFL stadium where you

2691
02:03:21,520 --> 02:03:26,200
Speaker 2: know the fans are of the upperost. It was good,

2692
02:03:26,400 --> 02:03:29,200
Speaker 2: It was good. Luke, here's your Cincinnati Bengals fan of

2693
02:03:29,240 --> 02:03:29,560
Speaker 2: the week.

2694
02:03:38,200 --> 02:03:40,760
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, she's awful and you should just throw her

2695
02:03:40,800 --> 02:03:47,280
Speaker 1: off a bridge. I mean, oh you Jesus Christ. I mean, dude,

2696
02:03:47,400 --> 02:03:51,320
Speaker 1: why would you ever go to an NFL game?

2697
02:03:52,000 --> 02:03:52,280
Speaker 2: Wow?

2698
02:03:52,720 --> 02:03:59,280
Speaker 1: Around these blackout drunk with around these mutants, why would

2699
02:03:59,360 --> 02:04:02,280
Speaker 1: you go? I mean, could you have bigger cankles? By

2700
02:04:02,280 --> 02:04:02,720
Speaker 1: the way too?

2701
02:04:03,160 --> 02:04:05,760
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, look all right, I mean you know,

2702
02:04:06,000 --> 02:04:09,480
Speaker 2: looking at fruit here. Okay, her tattoos were enough. But uh,

2703
02:04:10,000 --> 02:04:12,200
Speaker 2: all right, hey, Luke, happy New Year to you if

2704
02:04:12,360 --> 02:04:14,720
Speaker 2: if you're celebrating, and also of this guy's ball bag.

2705
02:04:15,320 --> 02:04:16,720
Speaker 2: I'll never get tired of watching this.

2706
02:04:24,520 --> 02:04:28,640
Speaker 1: What is he trying to open fireworks?

2707
02:04:28,680 --> 02:04:29,760
Speaker 2: I don't know something?

2708
02:04:29,880 --> 02:04:32,880
Speaker 3: Yeah that or you know, like a New Year's Eve

2709
02:04:32,960 --> 02:04:34,760
Speaker 3: explosion of confetti, Luke?

2710
02:04:34,840 --> 02:04:36,520
Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, oh.

2711
02:04:36,520 --> 02:04:40,000
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, I see now right right, okay, all right, Luke.

2712
02:04:40,040 --> 02:04:43,240
Speaker 2: It's it's been a long time since we've seen Connor

2713
02:04:43,320 --> 02:04:46,520
Speaker 2: McGregor in the cage. It's been even longer since we've

2714
02:04:46,560 --> 02:04:50,160
Speaker 2: seen him this rock hard with emotion. But like the

2715
02:04:50,720 --> 02:04:55,680
Speaker 2: maymac way in, Connor posted this video of him all

2716
02:04:55,800 --> 02:04:59,360
Speaker 2: kinds of jacked up, and Luke, he is he is, Uh,

2717
02:05:00,080 --> 02:05:01,000
Speaker 2: he's happy to be here.

2718
02:05:02,200 --> 02:05:03,800
Speaker 1: Got some puffiness around the nipples.

2719
02:05:04,480 --> 02:05:05,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think of What do you make

2720
02:05:05,920 --> 02:05:06,080
Speaker 2: of this?

2721
02:05:06,200 --> 02:05:08,960
Speaker 1: Luke? Is he like? Don't know what kind of help

2722
02:05:09,000 --> 02:05:11,200
Speaker 1: your weight ass? Yeah? I don't know he might. I mean,

2723
02:05:11,200 --> 02:05:12,960
Speaker 1: I don't know how kind of fast or what kind

2724
02:05:13,000 --> 02:05:17,680
Speaker 1: of a speed he'll have. I don't know how erecked

2725
02:05:17,680 --> 02:05:18,800
Speaker 1: he's going to be. You know when that.

2726
02:05:21,240 --> 02:05:23,640
Speaker 2: We fucking are fighting here, Connor, what are we doing here?

2727
02:05:23,680 --> 02:05:23,800
Speaker 1: Bro?

2728
02:05:23,960 --> 02:05:27,960
Speaker 2: I mean? Wow? Wow? Hey, Luke credits you at Hectic

2729
02:05:28,240 --> 02:05:33,640
Speaker 2: Underscore one on Twitter for the tip on tip, phoner

2730
02:05:33,760 --> 02:05:36,400
Speaker 2: on phone or photoshopping skills. This picture not for the

2731
02:05:36,440 --> 02:05:44,880
Speaker 2: faint of heart. But it's something, Luke, dude.

2732
02:05:45,720 --> 02:05:48,280
Speaker 1: Like, how often do you get wayward boners like this?

2733
02:05:48,480 --> 02:05:51,600
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You're just sitting in the

2734
02:05:51,640 --> 02:05:53,400
Speaker 1: movie theater all of a sudden you got chubb rock

2735
02:05:53,480 --> 02:05:56,600
Speaker 1: going on in your Happened that often for me these days?

2736
02:05:56,680 --> 02:06:00,520
Speaker 2: Wow? Yeah, Luke. Some people, though, have taken this type

2737
02:06:00,520 --> 02:06:03,640
Speaker 2: of humor way too far, and that person is Paulo Costa.

2738
02:06:04,640 --> 02:06:08,800
Speaker 2: Boraina responded to that public feud between Dana White and

2739
02:06:08,920 --> 02:06:09,680
Speaker 2: Brendan Schab.

2740
02:06:11,720 --> 02:06:13,520
Speaker 1: You couldn't wait to put this in here, huh?

2741
02:06:13,560 --> 02:06:16,920
Speaker 2: I mean it is uh wow. I don't. I don't

2742
02:06:16,960 --> 02:06:19,160
Speaker 2: have the right reaction for this, Luke.

2743
02:06:19,240 --> 02:06:19,880
Speaker 5: So there you go.

2744
02:06:20,480 --> 02:06:23,320
Speaker 1: I gotta say, who the photoshop is well done? Say?

2745
02:06:23,360 --> 02:06:25,280
Speaker 2: I mean he felt it on his face, Luke, you

2746
02:06:25,400 --> 02:06:28,400
Speaker 2: got a little randy. It's that is just wow? Yeah?

2747
02:06:29,880 --> 02:06:32,880
Speaker 1: How happy were you putting this in rotation? You are?

2748
02:06:33,440 --> 02:06:36,080
Speaker 1: It's not nice? Is not nice? I'm sorry.

2749
02:06:36,200 --> 02:06:39,120
Speaker 2: Let's move on. Here, Luke. Uh, now hear this, Luke,

2750
02:06:39,200 --> 02:06:42,000
Speaker 2: this is a the newscasting moment that I haven't seen yet.

2751
02:06:44,600 --> 02:06:46,160
Speaker 3: But this guy was in for a surprise.

2752
02:06:48,440 --> 02:06:49,040
Speaker 1: Is that a dog?

2753
02:06:49,760 --> 02:06:51,880
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah it is? Yeah, it is, it is.

2754
02:06:53,600 --> 02:06:55,840
Speaker 1: It is. You know a couple of questions here to

2755
02:06:55,880 --> 02:06:59,120
Speaker 1: ask yourself, really, just one, who is the type of

2756
02:06:59,200 --> 02:07:02,160
Speaker 1: person you would know that would just randomly carry dildos

2757
02:07:02,200 --> 02:07:07,040
Speaker 1: around two of two harassed newscasters. I mean that is

2758
02:07:07,200 --> 02:07:10,080
Speaker 1: a that is a person who is definitely winning a

2759
02:07:10,160 --> 02:07:11,440
Speaker 1: Darwin Award within the next.

2760
02:07:11,440 --> 02:07:14,920
Speaker 3: I mean it looks like a UK football fan to

2761
02:07:14,960 --> 02:07:15,560
Speaker 3: be fair, Luke.

2762
02:07:15,640 --> 02:07:20,919
Speaker 1: Right, dude, the UK is they are football fucking crazy

2763
02:07:21,120 --> 02:07:23,080
Speaker 1: over there. Yeah, it's hard to explain how crazy.

2764
02:07:23,040 --> 02:07:26,600
Speaker 2: Boxing to Luke. Even on like the somewhat regional levels

2765
02:07:26,600 --> 02:07:30,640
Speaker 2: in boxing, they're insane, Like they're just they love their shit. Luke. Okay,

2766
02:07:31,080 --> 02:07:35,320
Speaker 2: that's interesting. Hey, you might have thought people had a

2767
02:07:35,320 --> 02:07:37,400
Speaker 2: big week. Who had a bigger week than Mike Perry Luke.

2768
02:07:37,720 --> 02:07:41,960
Speaker 2: It began with this much shared challenge to a new

2769
02:07:42,000 --> 02:07:45,000
Speaker 2: free agent named Nate Diaz to get in the BKFC ring,

2770
02:07:45,440 --> 02:07:49,120
Speaker 2: in which Mike sparked up a j on Instagram. Then

2771
02:07:49,200 --> 02:07:52,840
Speaker 2: it went to this wholesome as shit family picture. Luke,

2772
02:07:53,080 --> 02:07:56,280
Speaker 2: here's three generations of Perry men. It's like in our

2773
02:07:56,360 --> 02:07:58,640
Speaker 2: piece that I call Ocean on Ocean.

2774
02:07:59,360 --> 02:08:01,120
Speaker 3: Shout out to Mike Perry's.

2775
02:08:00,800 --> 02:08:02,920
Speaker 1: Pops, right, his dad's in pretty decent shame.

2776
02:08:03,440 --> 02:08:06,040
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and you're in young Ocean getting a nice

2777
02:08:06,160 --> 02:08:09,920
Speaker 2: uh right there. But Luke, the Platinum family is not

2778
02:08:10,200 --> 02:08:13,760
Speaker 2: done yet. It was gender revealed time for Coach Littori

2779
02:08:13,840 --> 02:08:20,760
Speaker 2: and Mike, and here's the results. Check out Mike's badass

2780
02:08:21,720 --> 02:08:28,440
Speaker 2: uh fanny pack, oh snap, and girl like you and

2781
02:08:28,520 --> 02:08:31,560
Speaker 2: Kobe Luke hashtag girl dad. He's in the building, very

2782
02:08:31,600 --> 02:08:33,280
Speaker 2: happy for the Perrys as they continue.

2783
02:08:33,320 --> 02:08:35,600
Speaker 1: Congratulations to them. Dude, he's doing well. He fucking beat

2784
02:08:35,680 --> 02:08:38,280
Speaker 1: m v oh Mike Perry's He's doing all right.

2785
02:08:39,000 --> 02:08:40,960
Speaker 2: I mean, considering he told me that he'd kill me

2786
02:08:41,040 --> 02:08:42,840
Speaker 2: when I saw him. Luke, we've come along way him

2787
02:08:42,840 --> 02:08:44,800
Speaker 2: and I think he's becoming my favorite fighter, all right.

2788
02:08:45,160 --> 02:08:46,680
Speaker 2: Fact thorugh town Mma all the way.

2789
02:08:47,480 --> 02:08:49,120
Speaker 1: I gotta say, it's a you know, I don't I'm

2790
02:08:49,160 --> 02:08:53,440
Speaker 1: not personally a big fan of gender reveals, but this

2791
02:08:53,640 --> 02:08:56,360
Speaker 1: is a subdued one where like, for example, there was

2792
02:08:56,400 --> 02:08:59,760
Speaker 1: no no one started a California wildfire as a consequence

2793
02:08:59,760 --> 02:09:03,360
Speaker 1: of this is very you know, contained I can live with.

2794
02:09:03,440 --> 02:09:07,000
Speaker 2: Those children were hurt. Nobody got it. Nobody took it

2795
02:09:07,040 --> 02:09:09,280
Speaker 2: to the pills, Luke, before we go to this last

2796
02:09:09,360 --> 02:09:11,720
Speaker 2: bit here, are you a fan of PDAs?

2797
02:09:12,160 --> 02:09:12,760
Speaker 3: You know what that is?

2798
02:09:15,120 --> 02:09:18,360
Speaker 1: PDA public display of affection. Some call it that.

2799
02:09:18,480 --> 02:09:21,480
Speaker 2: I call it public display of ass play. Look, let's

2800
02:09:21,520 --> 02:09:22,520
Speaker 2: go to the PDAs here.

2801
02:09:22,680 --> 02:09:25,080
Speaker 1: What a week for I'm gonna starting to make me

2802
02:09:25,160 --> 02:09:25,480
Speaker 1: watch this.

2803
02:09:26,840 --> 02:09:29,760
Speaker 2: Well, sometimes it's a scratch and sniff option, Luke, got all.

2804
02:09:31,800 --> 02:09:35,160
Speaker 2: Nobody goes there, but it started at the high school

2805
02:09:35,200 --> 02:09:38,920
Speaker 2: bleachers for this uh not so young couple.

2806
02:09:39,320 --> 02:09:41,000
Speaker 3: What do you call that in massage school?

2807
02:09:44,800 --> 02:09:49,520
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, and then they can continued Louke, this may

2808
02:09:49,560 --> 02:09:52,760
Speaker 2: not involve ass play, but PDA sison his red hot

2809
02:09:52,800 --> 02:09:55,160
Speaker 2: in New York City these days, you ever stumble upon

2810
02:09:55,240 --> 02:09:56,560
Speaker 2: this and in the wild Luke.

2811
02:09:57,920 --> 02:10:02,320
Speaker 1: Oh dude, they're high as ship right now. Yeah, that's

2812
02:10:02,520 --> 02:10:04,800
Speaker 1: just look he looks like he's trying to eat her.

2813
02:10:05,400 --> 02:10:10,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. And finally that wasn't asked play but this one, yeah,

2814
02:10:10,240 --> 02:10:21,240
Speaker 2: well it definitely is. And that silence you hear.

2815
02:10:21,280 --> 02:10:25,400
Speaker 1: Is okay, Okay, what, Luke.

2816
02:10:25,480 --> 02:10:28,120
Speaker 2: That was a That was a more abrasive plot twist

2817
02:10:28,440 --> 02:10:30,720
Speaker 2: than a million dollar baby. To be fair, it was

2818
02:10:30,880 --> 02:10:32,720
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just wow.

2819
02:10:32,880 --> 02:10:38,760
Speaker 1: That is I hope both of them are executed today.

2820
02:10:40,840 --> 02:10:42,760
Speaker 1: Then we get out of Arabia and tell them that

2821
02:10:42,760 --> 02:10:45,480
Speaker 1: their heretics or whatever and then have them behaved.

2822
02:10:46,480 --> 02:10:49,600
Speaker 2: That was like watching you know, uncut gems in the theater, Luke,

2823
02:10:49,640 --> 02:10:52,280
Speaker 2: I needed a cigarette afterwards. Right, That was a lot

2824
02:10:52,320 --> 02:10:52,960
Speaker 2: of emotions.

2825
02:10:53,160 --> 02:10:54,920
Speaker 1: That was not I want to I want to be

2826
02:10:55,000 --> 02:10:57,680
Speaker 1: like Garfield where he would always male normal was it?

2827
02:10:57,720 --> 02:11:00,480
Speaker 1: And was it normal? He would mail to uh Dabi

2828
02:11:00,560 --> 02:11:03,440
Speaker 1: or whatever the fuck send them to someplace where some

2829
02:11:03,560 --> 02:11:05,280
Speaker 1: dictator will chop their head off.

2830
02:11:05,360 --> 02:11:07,600
Speaker 2: Please, I hear Garfield. I think Lasagna, Luke.

2831
02:11:10,600 --> 02:11:11,920
Speaker 1: Oh, was he a big fan of Lasagna?

2832
02:11:12,360 --> 02:11:14,680
Speaker 2: Big, huge, huge fan? I forget well, maybe that was

2833
02:11:14,720 --> 02:11:16,560
Speaker 2: Heath Cliff. I don't know. I watched both of them,

2834
02:11:16,640 --> 02:11:16,800
Speaker 2: you know.

2835
02:11:17,240 --> 02:11:19,760
Speaker 1: All right, BC, let's remind the folks here. That's it

2836
02:11:19,840 --> 02:11:22,000
Speaker 1: for today. There will be an extra credit a little

2837
02:11:22,000 --> 02:11:25,080
Speaker 1: bit later. Let's see we have I think we have

2838
02:11:25,160 --> 02:11:27,240
Speaker 1: some stuff coming out this week. I did an interview,

2839
02:11:27,320 --> 02:11:31,040
Speaker 1: by the way, with the famed UFC translator Fabiano Busque.

2840
02:11:31,520 --> 02:11:33,440
Speaker 1: I think that's coming out this week. Yeah. I talked

2841
02:11:33,440 --> 02:11:34,880
Speaker 1: to old Fabiano Bosque this week.

2842
02:11:35,000 --> 02:11:37,960
Speaker 2: That last week, the Brazilian fellow with the silver hair,

2843
02:11:39,240 --> 02:11:42,480
Speaker 2: blonde hair, blonde hair, but he's like middle aged.

2844
02:11:42,960 --> 02:11:45,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think he's like roughly our age or so,

2845
02:11:45,200 --> 02:11:45,920
Speaker 1: something like forty two.

2846
02:11:46,240 --> 02:11:48,960
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, I'm talking about the older gentleman.

2847
02:11:50,440 --> 02:11:52,320
Speaker 1: I don't know who you're talking about, but dude, it's

2848
02:11:52,320 --> 02:11:54,440
Speaker 1: like the best translator of UFC's ever had, Like he's

2849
02:11:54,440 --> 02:11:55,640
Speaker 1: an amazing translator.

2850
02:11:56,120 --> 02:11:57,880
Speaker 2: Oh are you talking about the youngest looking at Yeah,

2851
02:11:58,160 --> 02:11:59,800
Speaker 2: the guy with the he looks like Swayze and road

2852
02:11:59,840 --> 02:12:01,640
Speaker 2: High a little bit like Spanish a little bit.

2853
02:12:01,600 --> 02:12:03,879
Speaker 1: And he does Spanish and Portuguese translation.

2854
02:12:04,120 --> 02:12:06,560
Speaker 3: So okay, yeah, yeah, I was thinking of the old guy.

2855
02:12:06,960 --> 02:12:08,560
Speaker 3: That's that's great, Luke, that's great.

2856
02:12:08,760 --> 02:12:10,960
Speaker 2: And I'm you know soon as well, And are we

2857
02:12:11,040 --> 02:12:13,880
Speaker 2: ever going to run that, Chuck Mindenhall room service diaries.

2858
02:12:13,880 --> 02:12:15,760
Speaker 2: It's timely about sitting on the shelf for you know,

2859
02:12:15,760 --> 02:12:16,080
Speaker 2: a week.

2860
02:12:16,160 --> 02:12:18,600
Speaker 1: I think that's coming out soon, if not this week

2861
02:12:18,680 --> 02:12:20,680
Speaker 1: then next, so pretty soon, because I don't think there's

2862
02:12:20,680 --> 02:12:22,320
Speaker 1: any there's there's Beltore on Friday, but don't think there's

2863
02:12:22,320 --> 02:12:23,960
Speaker 1: a UFC event on Saturday. I think it's off. They're

2864
02:12:23,960 --> 02:12:27,080
Speaker 1: off for a little while. So yes, so there's that

2865
02:12:27,240 --> 02:12:27,560
Speaker 1: as well.

2866
02:12:28,120 --> 02:12:32,320
Speaker 2: Care about chicker Stevenson versus Hobson can say so this weekend, Luke,

2867
02:12:32,320 --> 02:12:33,200
Speaker 2: I'm I'm fired up.

2868
02:12:33,640 --> 02:12:35,840
Speaker 1: I'll watch it because there's fuck all else going on.

2869
02:12:36,000 --> 02:12:38,800
Speaker 1: But let's remind folks Morning Combat dot Store, the merch

2870
02:12:39,000 --> 02:12:41,720
Speaker 1: is moving, the bomber jackets are there. You can get

2871
02:12:41,800 --> 02:12:44,680
Speaker 1: this fucking nice shirt, get a liking with BC's wear,

2872
02:12:44,680 --> 02:12:46,000
Speaker 1: and you get a lot of good stuff over there.

2873
02:12:46,040 --> 02:12:49,080
Speaker 1: Showtime dot Com, by the way, Friday's bellator Showtime dot Com,

2874
02:12:49,600 --> 02:12:51,200
Speaker 1: you get a thirty day free trial. If you like it,

2875
02:12:51,240 --> 02:12:52,800
Speaker 1: you can keep it. If not, you can bounce. By

2876
02:12:52,840 --> 02:12:54,360
Speaker 1: the way BC, I get lots of questions, But what's

2877
02:12:54,360 --> 02:12:57,480
Speaker 1: gonna happen with Showtime and their independent streaming service and

2878
02:12:57,640 --> 02:12:59,800
Speaker 1: Paramount Plus. I have no fucking idea. I have no

2879
02:13:00,040 --> 02:13:02,600
Speaker 1: idea what they're going to do right, No, No, I think.

2880
02:13:02,560 --> 02:13:06,080
Speaker 2: Even our CEO, Bob Bekish explained it that that you know,

2881
02:13:06,160 --> 02:13:08,480
Speaker 2: he was having a conversation with a partner and somebody

2882
02:13:08,840 --> 02:13:09,360
Speaker 2: like leaked it.

2883
02:13:09,440 --> 02:13:10,879
Speaker 3: But it's it's an early conversation.

2884
02:13:11,000 --> 02:13:13,920
Speaker 2: They're looking at what they're going, you know, is going

2885
02:13:14,000 --> 02:13:15,720
Speaker 2: to be their best move and whether it's you know,

2886
02:13:16,720 --> 02:13:19,520
Speaker 2: on an app or on an island. Luke, I'm going

2887
02:13:19,600 --> 02:13:22,160
Speaker 2: to be there delivering the best fight analysis. I know, Hoyle.

2888
02:13:22,280 --> 02:13:24,000
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, one way or the other, we're going to

2889
02:13:24,040 --> 02:13:25,360
Speaker 1: be doing what we do. But I don't know what

2890
02:13:25,480 --> 02:13:28,280
Speaker 1: that all is going to mean. Put up the socials there.

2891
02:13:28,320 --> 02:13:31,080
Speaker 1: You can see Morning Combat is everywhere Instagram, Twitter and

2892
02:13:31,240 --> 02:13:33,680
Speaker 1: now TikTok, and you can give us a follow there

2893
02:13:33,720 --> 02:13:36,360
Speaker 1: on social Beyond that, do you see any final thoughts?

2894
02:13:37,000 --> 02:13:39,840
Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't want to, like over like, I had

2895
02:13:39,920 --> 02:13:43,480
Speaker 2: another out of body experience Friday night at the My

2896
02:13:43,600 --> 02:13:46,000
Speaker 2: Morning Jacket show. Luke, do you have you ever? I

2897
02:13:46,080 --> 02:13:49,760
Speaker 2: mean it's like you think you know a band and

2898
02:13:49,840 --> 02:13:53,760
Speaker 2: then they blow your freaking doors in into what's possible

2899
02:13:53,840 --> 02:13:54,680
Speaker 2: with their live show.

2900
02:13:55,720 --> 02:13:57,800
Speaker 1: Every number one song, what's their biggest hit?

2901
02:13:58,920 --> 02:14:01,880
Speaker 2: They're really one old doesn't apply, And that's actually I

2902
02:14:01,920 --> 02:14:05,200
Speaker 2: think their secret because they they they flirted with crossover

2903
02:14:05,280 --> 02:14:07,200
Speaker 2: commercialism a couple of times, and they've done you know,

2904
02:14:07,280 --> 02:14:10,680
Speaker 2: the popular talk show circuits too, but I think because

2905
02:14:10,800 --> 02:14:13,280
Speaker 2: they never ended up having that one, they stayed so

2906
02:14:13,440 --> 02:14:16,200
Speaker 2: true to their own art, Luke, and they are they're

2907
02:14:16,240 --> 02:14:18,000
Speaker 2: the They're the best live band in the world right now.

2908
02:14:18,040 --> 02:14:20,240
Speaker 2: I cannot believe they were that good. Have you look?

2909
02:14:20,600 --> 02:14:22,040
Speaker 2: My friend Bogo and I were walking out and we

2910
02:14:22,080 --> 02:14:24,480
Speaker 2: looked at each other. We're like, I forgot what it

2911
02:14:24,560 --> 02:14:26,840
Speaker 2: felt like to go to a show and just get

2912
02:14:27,120 --> 02:14:28,600
Speaker 2: knocked off your feet. You know what I mean, because

2913
02:14:28,600 --> 02:14:31,000
Speaker 2: sometimes you end up seeing the same band for years,

2914
02:14:31,080 --> 02:14:34,360
Speaker 2: and you know, and not much always changes. But I mean,

2915
02:14:34,400 --> 02:14:35,600
Speaker 2: I got kicked right in the face.

2916
02:14:35,920 --> 02:14:38,800
Speaker 3: I was vitoor belfour willingly right there, Luke.

2917
02:14:39,920 --> 02:14:42,640
Speaker 1: I felt when I saw Cannibal Corpse at the t

2918
02:14:42,840 --> 02:14:45,160
Speaker 1: LA and Philly before the pandemic.

2919
02:14:48,840 --> 02:14:50,520
Speaker 2: Same vibe, same vibe all the way.

2920
02:14:50,560 --> 02:14:53,080
Speaker 1: I mean, this sounds to me like hell on Earth.

2921
02:14:53,360 --> 02:14:56,200
Speaker 1: This is how Wikipedia talks about my morning jacket. Genres

2922
02:14:56,280 --> 02:15:02,160
Speaker 1: indie rock fail, art rock fail, psychedelic fail, alternative country.

2923
02:15:02,200 --> 02:15:04,480
Speaker 2: Like hard rock. Wait, are you trying to say that

2924
02:15:04,600 --> 02:15:07,560
Speaker 2: hard rock is a fail? It said art rock, art

2925
02:15:07,920 --> 02:15:10,520
Speaker 2: art rock, Oh, art Rock's fantastic.

2926
02:15:10,240 --> 02:15:13,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, southern rock. I can get by with jam fail

2927
02:15:13,520 --> 02:15:18,040
Speaker 1: Americana fail. So probably not for me. Probably not for me.

2928
02:15:18,320 --> 02:15:20,680
Speaker 2: I just wanted just to close. How romantic this was

2929
02:15:20,840 --> 02:15:22,800
Speaker 2: not in a you know, Bugo and I weren't holding hands.

2930
02:15:22,840 --> 02:15:24,080
Speaker 2: But the point is this, Luke, you ever have a

2931
02:15:24,120 --> 02:15:25,920
Speaker 2: favorite song and that you go to your favorite band's

2932
02:15:25,920 --> 02:15:27,880
Speaker 2: contrcy and like, I hope they play it. Both of

2933
02:15:28,000 --> 02:15:30,560
Speaker 2: us our favorite song is Phone went West, but never

2934
02:15:30,640 --> 02:15:33,480
Speaker 2: heard it in nine shows and they closed with it

2935
02:15:33,760 --> 02:15:36,320
Speaker 2: the last song and they and then they turned it

2936
02:15:36,400 --> 02:15:38,600
Speaker 2: into like November Rain with like five parts and it

2937
02:15:38,760 --> 02:15:41,040
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes it's the chef's kiss on. It was

2938
02:15:41,080 --> 02:15:43,080
Speaker 2: like watching a perfect game unfold in front of you

2939
02:15:43,320 --> 02:15:45,320
Speaker 2: and you're not even worried if somebody makes an error

2940
02:15:45,680 --> 02:15:46,760
Speaker 2: or on a pass ball.

2941
02:15:47,080 --> 02:15:50,080
Speaker 3: Okay, I was Connor McGregor in that video, all right, I.

2942
02:15:50,080 --> 02:15:51,800
Speaker 1: Don't think you were Connor McGregor. I think you were

2943
02:15:51,840 --> 02:15:54,040
Speaker 1: that Bengals fan who just vomited in their seat.

2944
02:15:56,000 --> 02:15:58,560
Speaker 2: I have been that fan before. That is definitely certain

2945
02:15:58,600 --> 02:16:00,960
Speaker 2: and true. But they there you go, there you go.

2946
02:16:01,280 --> 02:16:03,000
Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you had a good time. Glad you

2947
02:16:03,080 --> 02:16:05,280
Speaker 1: had a good time. That is it for us today again,

2948
02:16:05,360 --> 02:16:08,880
Speaker 1: Content out tomorrow, back live Wednesday. Yeah, a lot to

2949
02:16:08,960 --> 02:16:11,640
Speaker 1: do still, so appreciate you guys watching. We'll be back

2950
02:16:11,640 --> 02:16:15,120
Speaker 1: in a couple of days and until then for Malka

2951
02:16:15,400 --> 02:16:17,919
Speaker 1: for showtime for CBS Sports with the King of Connecticut.

2952
02:16:17,920 --> 02:16:20,640
Speaker 1: I'm Luke Thomas. May all of your gains be loyal