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Speaker 2: now for so many reasons, Luke. The questions are overwhelming,

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Speaker 1: I don't think he has to go that crazy, but

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Speaker 2: And I gotta see Romero not be full time counter striker,

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Speaker 2: Phil Davis. Luke. I love Chris Wiman, the guy can

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Speaker 2: and sometimes I think that costs Phil Davis in close fights. Right,

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Speaker 2: He's twelve and three and the BELTI banner. The only

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Speaker 1: Two things you could look at. One was if you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of any other recent fight, I can tell you

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Speaker 2: we're being fair and honest here. This could be a snoozer,

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Speaker 2: You're over, under look. I think the over for me

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Speaker 2: scorecards from what I've seen of late cost to fight notwithstanding,

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Speaker 2: I think, yes, Luke, I think this is Phil Davis's

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Speaker 1: I would agree. I do think there's a big X

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Speaker 1: It's harked me to believe that Romero's going to go

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Speaker 1: But I tend to think he's gonna get frustrated, feels

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Speaker 2: Phil had some good quotes this week, Luke basically saying

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Speaker 2: his last three. He's a minus two to eighty favorite

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Speaker 1: Umm, I have not paid too much attention to the odds.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, minus two eighty for Gracy and plus two thirty

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Speaker 1: Oh you know what you know? I think Listen, I'll

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Speaker 1: he's actually quite talented. Yeah. I like him to win

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Speaker 1: pretty big. I think he's got good takedowns. He's got

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Speaker 1: great top control, as you can see, he's a great

433
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Speaker 1: finisher from the back as well. Yeah, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I thought, those sounded a little bit wide at first,

435
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Speaker 1: but now that I think about it, no, not that wide.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I didn't like his activity levels in recent decision

437
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Speaker 2: defeats to Roy MacDonald and Jason Jackson. But you know,

438
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Speaker 2: he did submit ed Ruth was seeming ease to kick

439
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Speaker 2: off that World Grand pre tournament and then obviously retired

440
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Speaker 2: John Fitch with that submission win. So there's a big

441
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Speaker 2: opportunity because the belter walterweight division's got it's fun right now.

442
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Speaker 2: You got Yarslav amslov as your new champion, and we've

443
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Speaker 2: got some strong contenders at the moment. I want to

444
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Speaker 2: see if Gracie can put himself back in there. And

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Speaker 2: Luke also featured about Alijandra Lara, who seems to grab

446
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Speaker 2: a lot of our attention for various reasons. She does

447
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Speaker 2: some some thoughtful protests that the way ins Luke, she's

448
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Speaker 2: a good looking fighter. People tend to comment on that

449
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Speaker 2: a lot, But Luke, every time we've seen her step up,

450
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Speaker 2: I feel like we've seen that there's you know, whether

451
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Speaker 2: temporary not or not a ceiling. God, can I drop

452
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Speaker 2: my phone more? A ceiling on how far she can go? Luke,

453
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Speaker 2: Deanna Bennett is plus one thirty five minus one sixty

454
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Speaker 2: is Ali Jana. I think she needs a big win,

455
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Speaker 2: like a finishing type win, to keep herself in the conversation.

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Speaker 2: I know she's lost to Elima Ale McFarlane in the

457
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Speaker 2: title fight. She's lost to current champion Juliana Velasquez, and

458
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Speaker 2: I know they were somewhat close, Luke, but I think

459
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Speaker 2: I saw a fairly wide skill imbalance there and I

460
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Speaker 2: didn't love her against Watt Tanabi either. As you're seeing

461
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Speaker 2: in the highlights, Luke, where are you on the overall

462
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Speaker 2: stock of a fun Colombian fighter.

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Speaker 1: I think she made the right call, as we mentioned before,

464
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Speaker 1: when she moved from Colombia to Mexico. That Mexican team

465
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Speaker 1: that features so many top women fighters is probably a

466
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Speaker 1: good choice for her. Certainly. I think that's their best

467
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Speaker 1: chance to maximize whatever strength that she has. I do

468
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Speaker 1: think she does have some strengths on the ground, not

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Speaker 1: relative to Ilamina Lee McFarlane, but she does have some

470
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Speaker 1: ability there. I think her ground to pound is pretty decent,

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Speaker 1: but there's been as you mentioned, there's just a lot

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Speaker 1: of development you would have hoped that would have happened

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Speaker 1: at this point that has not. Nevertheless, I would say

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Speaker 1: that the Deanna Bennett fight is winnable. Her last two

475
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Speaker 1: losses against Miranda Maverick and I'm sure the other one

476
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Speaker 1: is they're good fighters. She's not in recent times anyway.

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Speaker 1: She's not lost to to to scrubs, but she got

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Speaker 1: kind of beaten relatively quickly and authoritatively. I think she

479
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Speaker 1: lost her last two vie of rear naked chokes, so

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Speaker 1: to me, it's a very winnable fight for Laura, but

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Speaker 1: it's sort of just the right kind of fight where

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Speaker 1: it's like, dude, if you should be able to beat someone. Granted,

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Speaker 1: women's MMA records are not reflective of their overall ability

484
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Speaker 1: in the way that men's are, but you should be

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Speaker 1: able to beat someone with a ten and seven record.

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Speaker 1: That should be a very doable thing for you, especially

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Speaker 1: given the relative youth. And I think there's gonna be

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Speaker 1: some size advantages as well, So I guess we'll see.

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Speaker 1: But I'm with you, like they're not quite as far

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Speaker 1: along as you would have hoped.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to get the ground game up to speed.

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Speaker 2: She is a fun striker and excellent a kicking can

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Speaker 2: put together, and I do think she's got long term

494
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Speaker 2: marketing potential, which I think everyone sort of notices. So

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Speaker 2: we'll see what we got there, Luke, she'd be an

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Speaker 2: interesting cards Saturday night only on Showtime also Saturday. Of course,

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Speaker 2: our second topic, Luke, Let's sets the stage for you.

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Speaker 2: F Fight Night, Las Vegas. We're a week out from

499
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Speaker 2: the big pay per view of UFC two sixty six,

500
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Speaker 2: and your boy BC did drop a little doogie on

501
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Speaker 2: this main event in terms of the strength. Although Luke

502
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 2: Thomas said this is a great fight, and anytime you

503
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Speaker 2: get Anthony Smith, which is typically a main event or

504
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,479
Speaker 2: even a title fight, Luke said, it is must see.

505
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 2: I gotta say, Luke, after interviewing Ryan Span this week

506
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Speaker 2: and getting to know the person just as much as

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Speaker 2: the fighter, and watching tape and stuff, maybe I was

508
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Speaker 2: a little bit a little bit, a little bit dismissive

509
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Speaker 2: and condescending, but this is an interesting light heavyweight till

510
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Speaker 2: just the same. Anthony Smith, a minus one six '

511
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Speaker 2: five favorite, very close here against a plus one four

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Speaker 2: to five Ryan Span, who's won four to five since

513
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Speaker 2: winning his second chance at the Dana White Contender Series

514
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Speaker 2: and getting into the UFC. That one loss, of course

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Speaker 2: to Johnny Walker, in which he dominated early and then

516
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Speaker 2: seemed to just fall apart. Uh, Luke, the odds tell

517
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Speaker 2: you this is more or less a Pickham And when

518
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Speaker 2: you look at the tape, Anthony Smith is on a

519
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Speaker 2: two fight win streak, and you know he only seems

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00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 2: to lose to the best. He can lose disastrously, but

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Speaker 2: he's tough his nails, He's pretty damn well rounded. Where

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Speaker 2: do you see any advantages in this matchup on paper

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Speaker 2: coming into.

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Speaker 1: This for Anthony, sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah for either for either.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So they both have noteworthy strengths and weaknesses. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna say that the overall more talented fighter is at

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Speaker 1: this stage Anthony Smith. You know, they have a they

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Speaker 1: have a common opponent in Devin Clark and Ryan bryan'span won,

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Speaker 1: but it took him a little while to get there.

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Speaker 1: Whereas the guard work and friendly the takedown and guard

532
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Speaker 1: work and back taking work everything for the overall grappling game,

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Speaker 1: let's say of Anthony Smith just ran right through him.

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Speaker 1: It was it was, it was straightforward. I think you

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Speaker 1: can see Anthony Smith winning via strikes like he did

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Speaker 1: against Krute. I think you can see what was injury

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Speaker 1: as well, but still a pretty strong striking game. And

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Speaker 1: on the floor he's got and as I mentioned, very

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Speaker 1: good jiu jitsu. So to me, he's the more like

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Speaker 1: subs intive threat overall. Where Ryan Span makes things interesting

541
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Speaker 1: is he has a much longer reach. In fact, you

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Speaker 1: look at the reaches of the guys that Anthony Smith

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Speaker 1: has lost to, they either match or exceed his reach.

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Speaker 1: As something to take advance to note of although in

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Speaker 1: the crew fight. You saw Smith with a very good job.

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Speaker 1: Still he's got a long reach. He can be patient

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Speaker 1: at times that cost him a little bit when he

548
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Speaker 1: wasn't against Johnny Walker, but he still in general has

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Speaker 1: shown pretty big patients, in fact to the point of

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Speaker 1: boredom in certain cases, like in the sam Alvi fight.

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Speaker 1: But he's very powerful. He comes from a great camp.

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Speaker 1: He has a phenomenal coach, and he's a monster power hitter.

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Speaker 1: He has a phenomenal left hook, phenomenal left hook right

554
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Speaker 1: straight as you saw against Mishaserkonov. And he's a devastating

555
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,239
Speaker 1: finisher when he has somebody hurt with strikes right. So

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Speaker 1: there's a lot to like in either case. It's just

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Speaker 1: the issue for me is with Span what he's going

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Speaker 1: to have to overcome here or not. But this is

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Speaker 1: what I think he's up against. He tends to sort

560
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Speaker 1: of stalk a guy with their back to the fence,

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Speaker 1: which I tend to think he probably will get in

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Speaker 1: a case of Anthony Smith. But from there he just

563
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Speaker 1: kind of waits, waits, waits, waits, waits. He doesn't really

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Speaker 1: create a lot of openings. He kind of waits for

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Speaker 1: one to materialize. Almost in the counter striking game and

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Speaker 1: then he'll kind of blitz there in the moment. And

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Speaker 1: that's pretty good because he is quite fast, he has

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Speaker 1: good hand speed, he has good power. Like more often

569
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,199
Speaker 1: than not, that does some good work for him. But

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Speaker 1: that almost cost him the fight against sam Alvi in

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Speaker 1: the third round. And against the guy like Anthony Smith

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Speaker 1: who is very, very durable, I wonder how good that's

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Speaker 1: going to be. The thing that I'm looking for BC

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Speaker 1: is Anthony Smith doesn't really check leg kicks. Sometimes he does,

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Speaker 1: but he kind of takes a lot of him. In fact,

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Speaker 1: you recall rackets dropped him in the first round just

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Speaker 1: with leg kicks. It was the thing. He took his

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Speaker 1: legs out from under him and he couldn't do much

579
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Speaker 1: to him on the ground, right, Anthony Smith pretty good

580
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Speaker 1: underneath to kind of avoid most of the trouble, but

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Speaker 1: he did get him down with that. To me, SPAN's

582
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 1: gonna have to open up his offense a little bit.

583
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: He's gonna have to again go back to what Joel

584
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: Romero we prescribe for him. You got to create some

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Speaker 1: dual threats here. You've got to make Anthony Smith get

586
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Speaker 1: open and then from those openings use a more diverse

587
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: striking game than just that left hook right straight, which

588
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 1: is quite potent, but perhaps a little bit one note.

589
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: So to me, the more talented guy Anthony Smith, the

590
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Speaker 1: more powerful athletic striker, is definitely going to be a

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Speaker 1: guy like Ryan Span, And who makes the better decisions

592
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: in between is what's going to decide.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a brilliant way to look at it, Luke,

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00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 2: because even in the two fights in which most his

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Speaker 2: two most recent fights Ryan Span, in which he looked

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Speaker 2: great in spots, the opening minute against Johnny Walker and

597
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Speaker 2: the opening minute against Misha Serkonoff, he had a overly

598
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Speaker 2: aggressive strikers coming at him. If you blitz Ryan Span

599
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Speaker 2: with that reach and that power in that six foot

600
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Speaker 2: five frame, he'll get you, know, he'll get you out

601
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 2: of there. He'll hurt you, like he did to both guys.

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Speaker 2: I think he made a great point the problem that

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Speaker 2: he ended up submitting Devin Clark with somewhat relative e's

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Speaker 2: when he finally got the position in the second round,

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Speaker 2: but it took him a lot of pawing and back

606
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Speaker 2: in Clark up to the cage. But to your point,

607
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 2: not really doing anything with that position being far too patient.

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Speaker 2: It plays into the theme of what this fight offers

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Speaker 2: is Ryan Span. I think that's part of why me

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Speaker 2: and a lot of people are like, this is a

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Speaker 2: main event? Are you kidding me? But what this offers

612
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 2: Ryan Span is the showcase, the spotlight, the opportunity to

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Speaker 2: be a battle tested guy who's always in main events.

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Speaker 2: To prove that he's ready to start legitimately competing for

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Speaker 2: a title, he's gonna have to be much more active.

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Speaker 2: To your point, I like what he does on the

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Speaker 2: ground when he finally gets it there, but I need

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Speaker 2: to see some urgency and Luke, I really enjoyed my

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Speaker 2: chat with Ryan Span that you can check out on

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Speaker 2: YouTube dot com slash Moran, because I think Knowledge a

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Speaker 2: great guy, but I think he's one of those guys who,

622
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Speaker 2: personality wise you always got the Superman tattoo, but he

623
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 2: doesn't overly leap into your rhythm living room and say

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Speaker 2: this is me and this is my story, Luke. He

625
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Speaker 2: talks specifically about how free he feels the last two

626
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Speaker 2: or three fights from some mental health things that he's

627
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Speaker 2: overcome through therapy. And look, it's interesting right when you

628
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Speaker 2: think about we say with fighting with which anything is

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Speaker 2: ninety percent mental, right. We don't talk about that enough.

630
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Speaker 2: And you think with fighting, well, if I'm angry, A

631
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Speaker 2: lot of fighters come into the game, as Rashad Evans

632
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Speaker 2: often tells us, from a sort of hurt, from a

633
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Speaker 2: place of hurt, right from a background that produced issues

634
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Speaker 2: in you that you want to get out. So you're thinking, well,

635
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Speaker 2: you know, being hurt, being angry, that's gonna make me

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Speaker 2: a better fighter. But at the highest level, Luke, where

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Speaker 2: there's so little that separates you, you're not always getting

638
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 2: the best out of yourself. And Ryan span is figuring

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Speaker 2: that out. The happier that he is now you don't

640
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Speaker 2: want to get into the issues, and I respect that.

641
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Speaker 2: But the happier he is now to release the issues

642
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Speaker 2: that have been plaguing him in his life and be

643
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Speaker 2: a more flowing, easy going fighter. He feels like that's

644
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 2: opening it up in terms of his offense, and Luke

645
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 2: I asked him specifically about this. His first four wins,

646
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 2: albeit on the regional level, we're all by submission. He

647
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 2: still has more than double submissions to knockouts. He's got

648
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 2: eleven career submissions, five career finishes, but the knockouts have

649
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 2: come as he's moving up in class with the UFC,

650
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 2: which you don't always see, and I asked him about that,

651
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 2: and Luke he said, I don't know if you've ever

652
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 2: heard this before, but he said, I'm too nice of

653
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 2: a guy. I would submit fighters early on because I

654
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 2: didn't want to embarrass or hurt them when I had

655
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 2: them in a compromising spot. And I had to be

656
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 2: woken up in camp by a teammate to basically be like,

657
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,959
Speaker 2: you're so close to finishing all these guys, you need

658
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 2: to bring the dog out of you. Look, I don't

659
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 2: even think I've ever heard anybody say it like that,

660
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 2: But he's found how to access that dog and he

661
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 2: comes in here, especially if you just watch the first

662
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 2: round knockout against circin Off as a capable potential contender,

663
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 2: I do it. Given Smith's durability, I'd have to see

664
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 2: Anthony Smith make a mistake or really come at him

665
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 2: to be in that range. But this is gonna test

666
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 2: so many elements of what we talked about, span z Iq,

667
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 2: his his potential five round stamina. In the main event,

668
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 2: we're gonna find out all those things we need to know,

669
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 2: So at the end of the day, UFC. It is

670
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 2: good matchmaking, even if I would have liked it, Luke

671
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: Moore in a comane, but uh, this is gonna be.

672
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: A very It's it's definitely a little bit better as

673
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: a comaine if there was like a really hot main event.

674
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: I agree, but it's got some value. It's got some value. Well.

675
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 2: A Span also talked a lot Luke about his life situation.

676
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 2: We hear that a lot as fighters really try to

677
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 2: get closer to becoming the one percenters, the title contenders,

678
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 2: the champions, the names who make the money. I asked

679
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,719
Speaker 2: Spend specifically, Luke, what is his motivation heading into this one.

680
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 2: Let's hear what he had to say, But what is

681
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 2: in your daily focus that drives you to be better?

682
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: Taking care of my family?

683
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 3: Man? Like that that being able to give my kids

684
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 3: the life that I didn't have, and being able to

685
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 3: change the life of the people that saw the things

686
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 3: that we had to see, like my mother, my brother,

687
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 3: my wife.

688
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 4: Like times are hard and like I'm in a position

689
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 4: now to change it. YO, Like, yeah, I'm in the

690
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 4: process of trying to buy my wife a house, you know,

691
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 4: like trying to get out the apartment that we've been

692
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 4: in a two bedroom apartment with five people.

693
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 3: Man, like, Yo, I'm six.

694
00:32:58,600 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: Five, I need room.

695
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: That's what drives me.

696
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: Man.

697
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 2: She's trying to motivate himself to run in the morning.

698
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 2: He's fighting on the potential of life changing passion here

699
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 2: for him and his family.

700
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, he seems like a great guy. I just I

701
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: wanted to laugh at the beginning there, because you're asking

702
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: him about, like, what are you focused on? Meanwhile he's

703
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: not even looking at you, and he's clicking and clacking

704
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: on a keyboard.

705
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 2: No, he had a Rubik's Cube, Luke, and he did

706
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 2: it off the top. He did an apology. He's like,

707
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be looking at you a lot

708
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 2: because I'm figuring out this Rubics cube. I don't know

709
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 2: if that's like a pre you know, fight week mental

710
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 2: game on.

711
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: The you know he was is. I watched his pre

712
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: fight scrum he did with the media. The Rubics cube

713
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: is quite intentional. He keeps it around to just sort

714
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: of get his mind off of everything else, which is fine.

715
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: It's just kind of funny because I can't say how

716
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: many times I've done interviews with fighters, like from our

717
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: radio show, and you can hear them going through the

718
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: drive through and then opening their car doors like thing.

719
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: Thing.

720
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: It just drove me nuts, brought me back to that.

721
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: But as you can see, this is a humble guy.

722
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: It's a humble guy. Man. He's got really and you

723
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: want to call them basic, but they're not basic foundational aspirations.

724
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: I want to give my family a better life than

725
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: what I inherited, and these are my way to do it.

726
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: This is quite If you can't get on board with

727
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: that struggle, man, this is not the sport for you

728
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: quite quite frankly, as an observer or even a participant

729
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: in one dimension or another, like, this is what the

730
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: game is about. This is who the game in many

731
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: ways is kind of built around in certain ways. So

732
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: to me, it's like, I think this is a very

733
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: winnable fight for either guy. Span I think is going

734
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: to have to level up to get there, and I

735
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: think a guy like Anthony Smith is going to have

736
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: to show us if you really are that guy who

737
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: is as talented as some people say that he is.

738
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: You have to consistently show that overtime against opponents who

739
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: may not overall have the same kind of skills. It's

740
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: an intriguing matchup. I like it.

741
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 2: Luke Ryan Span ranked eleventh by the UFC, coming in

742
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 2: Anthony Smith number six. Span believes this win puts him

743
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: in a one to two fights left to get to

744
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 2: the tidle level, a little crowded at the moment with

745
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 2: the champion Blahoch set to face. Clover to cha, you've

746
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 2: got Euri Prahatska on deck, Luke for number six, Anthony Smith.

747
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 2: We spent so much time on Span. Where would he

748
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: go with a win? What's really at stake for him

749
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 2: in this one?

750
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: Well, what he said he wanted. I watched his prefight

751
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: scrum two or whatever you want to call those things

752
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: that they do now at the Apex. He wants to

753
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: get a rematch against Alexander Rakitch. That Rackage fight sort

754
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: of has been sticking in his crawl a little bit.

755
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 1: And if you go back and you watch that fight Rackage,

756
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: it did a really good job of managing distance, blistering

757
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: leg kicks and then getting on top in sort of

758
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: staying out of the guard work of Anthony Smith. So

759
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: it was dominant in the sense that you could tell

760
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: who won all the rounds and who was doing the

761
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: better work. But it wasn't like an overwhelming show of force.

762
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: That's the part that was kind of lacking. And I

763
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: think Smith thinks if he can get another crack at

764
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: the guy, I thinks could go a little bit differently.

765
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: We shall see, because Rackach is also himself not too

766
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: far from a title shot. If maybe on deck waiting

767
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:03,919
Speaker 1: for the winner of to share a no, I guess

768
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: Perhatchka might be up there. So it's hard to know

769
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: exactly which way the wind is blowing with this, but

770
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: that was what he spotlighted, is what he was looking for.

771
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: I think, you know, Smith's a bright guy and he

772
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: understands that. Like, you know, after you've had a couple

773
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: of losses and you lost some teeth along the way

774
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 1: accluding to you lost to John Jones and then the

775
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: guy who's fighting for the title took away some of

776
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 1: your teeth, it's gonna take some time to reinspire confidence

777
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: in UFC matchmakers to get a title shot. But a

778
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: quicker way to get there might be not just beating

779
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: Ryan Span, but getting a shot against rackets and riding

780
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: that's you know, wrong so to speak. That's what he

781
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: seems to be wanting. All right.

782
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: The five rounds are gonna tell us a lot about

783
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 2: how good Ryan Span is Luke how good is he

784
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 2: who wins Smith Span with these close odds on Saturday Night.

785
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: I think the odds are fair. Man. Again, I sort

786
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: of laid this out in the way which I view

787
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: it when thinking about how it might go, I tend

788
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: to think that who we go back to the Trevor

789
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: Whitman challenge, right, That's the way I like to call it.

790
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 1: It doesn't exist in that way. I'm just giving it

791
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: that name. But the Trevor Whitman challenge is when it

792
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: comes down to the highest level, or the highest level possible.

793
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: What you're looking for here is who makes less mistakes.

794
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: I think you could argue that there are plenty of

795
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: mistakes either guy makes. They're not a perfect fighter. No

796
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: fighter is. But I would argue that Span has gotten

797
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: into a little bit more trouble with some of the

798
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: mistakes that he's made.

799
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 2: Now.

800
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: You might also argue those are mistakes that he made

801
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: growing up in the game at this level, and that

802
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: Smith's just had more experience, so he has sort of

803
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: ironed out those things earlier, and in fact there is

804
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: no difference. That could be the case. Again, the eyes

805
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: as you indicated they're very, very close. But just based

806
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: on what we've seen, I think that Ryan Span is

807
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: a devastating finisher and I want to go back to

808
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: this one more time. You see, we've not talked enough

809
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 1: about it, dude. Both guys come from absolutely phenomenal coaches,

810
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: Mark Montoya in the case of Anthony Smith and then

811
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: Save Sued in the case of Ryan Span. Dude, these

812
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: are well coached fighters. In the case of a guy

813
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: like Span having a guy like Safe so who understands

814
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: what the mistakes might be. He knows his fighters better

815
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: than we ever will. But I know he sees them,

816
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: and I guarantee they put a lot of work in

817
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: so you know, this whole thing could blow up one

818
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: way or the other. But I just tend to think

819
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: I tend to think Span showed a little bit more

820
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: carelessness at times than Smith, and that might make all

821
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 1: the difference at this level.

822
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is, you know, as fifty to

823
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 2: fifty in a while in terms of in terms of

824
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 2: picking it. But I tend to lean on Smith the

825
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 2: same regard and Luke as much as we played jokes

826
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 2: around here sometimes because you do love Anthony Smith almost

827
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: as much as you love City Kickboxing, Big Booty, Latina's

828
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 2: Abortion Rock, Danny Sigura and uh you love dude. You

829
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 2: freaking love Danny. I love him too. I'm just saying

830
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,919
Speaker 2: he's in your top five of most loved things.

831
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: Do you remember? You remember my Space? You could have

832
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: your top friends. I put Danny up there.

833
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 2: It was Tom and Danny Sigurro. We know that of

834
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 2: shout out to Danny Sigara. By the way, big fan.

835
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 2: Anthony Smith is a is a good broadcaster, by the way.

836
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 2: I want to give him that that you know fight.

837
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 2: I don't want to like the handtats as much because

838
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 2: it's my own personal style of Luke. But he's a

839
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 2: good broadcaster and I think he's still good enough to

840
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 2: win this fight, so I like him by decision to

841
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 2: teach Span exactly where he's at Span just thirty years old, though.

842
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 2: We'll see what he can do with this win or

843
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 2: lose Luke moving forward. Good fight, Luke, same division for

844
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 2: the Coleman event. Devin Clark two and two in his

845
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 2: last four, including losses to both main eventters, taking on

846
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 2: a man who you can argue could really use a

847
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 2: big win. So we could let out one of those

848
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 2: large war cries like Luke did at the live show

849
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 2: for US in MK in our two year anniversary Yon

850
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 2: kute Laba? Luke is kute Laba just a fun way

851
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 2: inside show crazy man or is he a guy who

852
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 2: could potentially get closer to figuring out how to be

853
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:51,720
Speaker 2: a rank competitive man? Here this feels like a slot

854
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 2: for him to showcase his potential upside if it's still

855
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 2: in there. But Luke on his run lately, which is

856
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 2: included a pair of losses and a no decision, he

857
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 2: needs to get back in that column.

858
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: Well it's a little unfair if you look at his

859
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: record because he's got the two losses to on Calia.

860
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: Now the second one is entirely justified, but the first

861
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: one was, you know, it was just a weird, bad

862
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: refing situation.

863
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: Here's what I think about, not a no contest, a

864
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 2: draw against Dustin Jacoby.

865
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: The a draw against's who's you know, massively improved by

866
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: the way, another Mark Montoya trained fighter. I think kute

867
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: Laba is probably most accurately viewed as the kind of

868
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: challenge that a real title contender has to get through

869
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: and show that they can handle in order to go

870
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: on to bigger places, which is not to say that

871
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: he's not a formidable challenge. In fact, it says he

872
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: is exactly that. But you're asking me, like, do I

873
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: see a realistic path for him for a championship opportunity

874
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: in his future or anything even close to that. Probably not.

875
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: But if you're not a very top tier fighter, this

876
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: guy's gonna he's gonna eat you alive. That's the kind

877
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 1: of thing he offers, because do one of the major

878
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: challenges is you know, there's pressure in the fight game

879
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: in terms of guys cornering you and then whatnot and

880
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: doing everything behind it, and then there's the insane pressure

881
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 1: and unless you have the kind of skills like for example,

882
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: a Maca mat Uncli have has, you know it's gonna

883
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: be a hard day for you. So I view him

884
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 1: best in that sense, and the guy Devin Clark is

885
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: not the same, but is typically the kind of guy

886
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: who likes to apply pressure himself. He wants to get

887
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: the takedown, he wants to lead the dance, he wants

888
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,439
Speaker 1: to sort of set the tone there. So you're gonna

889
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: have two rams just running into each other, both in

890
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: need of a win. Both are good fighters, but in

891
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: the case of Kuti Laba, since you asked who what

892
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: never knows? You don't want to bury fighters before the

893
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: careers are over. But I just don't quite see enough

894
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: development there for make me think he can challenge the

895
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 1: top tier of that division.

896
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 2: It's an interesting fight, and the odds reflect that when

897
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 2: you've got Devin Clark a plus one twenty close underdog

898
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 2: minus one forty for Kute Laba. Luke, I think at

899
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 2: this point Clark may be the more well rounded skilled fighter,

900
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 2: but I think Kudie Laba still has the much brighter

901
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 2: top end bright spot. I mean when you consider Clark

902
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 2: is just six and five in the UFC all six

903
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 2: wins by decision. He's he's good, Luke, but I don't

904
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 2: see a lot of flashes of great now. Have I

905
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 2: seen that consistently from cute Lab But no. Sometimes it's

906
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 2: a little bit more of the bark than the bite.

907
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 2: The bark does get you in the building and close

908
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 2: to the TV screen. This is an opportunity for Kuti

909
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 2: Laba to change his fortune moving forward, because Luke, if

910
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,919
Speaker 2: he can't beat a Devin Clark right here, and it's

911
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 2: no gimme, the odds are telling you that, uh he

912
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 2: may be just another guy, So that's gonna be an

913
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 2: interesting fight in that regard, Luke. Not the deepest card,

914
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 2: but a couple names worth mentioning. And you said it

915
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 2: earlier this week. You've got Armand Serukian as the guy

916
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 2: you're focusing in. I don't even think that's on the

917
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 2: main card, right, Luke, that's the uh no, it is.

918
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. It's in the midst of the six fight

919
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 2: main card on Saturday night, a lightweight bout with Cristos Giagos.

920
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 2: I'm butchering everyone's name Luca because that's how I was raised.

921
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 2: But armand Serukian a minus seven hundred favorite. Yet it

922
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: seems to be right on Luke.

923
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, armins aar Yuki is a fucking beast. I'm just

924
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: gonna say it to you plainly as I can. This

925
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: guy is an absolute savage. And he's not far enough

926
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: along to declare this very true. I don't know how

927
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: far he's going to go BC, because there is one

928
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: big knock on him, which we'll talk about just a second.

929
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,959
Speaker 1: But the good side is that this guy has all

930
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: the goods you think to potentially become champion. I mean,

931
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: he really is that talented, he's that young, he's that athletic,

932
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 1: and in the department that sometimes seems to matter the most,

933
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 1: of MMA or the wrestlings of the grappling department, he

934
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: is better than most of his peers already. The one

935
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: big knock on him is not that he can't beat

936
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys. I think he's probably gonna

937
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: beat Giago's from pillar to post. The issue is that

938
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a lot of finishing skill. He can

939
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: ride out the rounds dominantly, but he never seems to push,

940
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 1: at least not recently anyway. He doesn't seem to push

941
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: the fight along in a way where the danger and

942
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: the damage is increasing as it should be. Over time,

943
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: he keeps a pace on them. It's like the runner

944
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 1: who just if you're running a race, they're just constantly

945
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: in front of you and you can never catch up

946
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: no matter what you do. And that's that's that. You

947
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: can do a lot with that, But the driving of

948
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: the stake into the heart, that's the kind of part

949
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,720
Speaker 1: that's missing. That's why I think they're still slow rolling

950
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 1: this guy just a little bit right, Because you've beaten

951
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: guys like Dabby Hamotion on the ground you've beaten for

952
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 1: Vola and other ones as well. He's got some of

953
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: the skills. Let's see if he can turn that finishing

954
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: corner or at a bare minimum, even if he doesn't get

955
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: the finish. BC, just show that you can increase the

956
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: level of danger as the fight progresses, given that you

957
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: have such a lead on these overmatched opponents. That's what

958
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: I'm looking for here. The winner the loss to me

959
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: is not really in play. How much can he hurt

960
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: this guy to the point where he either gets the

961
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: finish or gets damn close in the process.

962
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, they say, be the hammer in life, Luke, not

963
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 2: the nail sar rookie, and.

964
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: He's a hammer.

965
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 2: He is a hammer. Is he from the smesh factory

966
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 2: or an associate's mesh factory?

967
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 1: He's Armenian by nationality, but I think he is mostly

968
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: out of Russia. I don't think he's part of the

969
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: Dagistan Russia crew.

970
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 2: He's more more of a satellite factory. But they still

971
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 2: smash just the same.

972
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: Anybody listen if you're from Georgia, the country, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Iran,

973
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: Dakistan Regia and Chechen region. Dude, They're all hammers over there,

974
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: all of.

975
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 2: Them old countryway as the iron cheek would say. You

976
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Yeah, Indeed, Luke, he's the biggest

977
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 2: favorite on the car. The second biggest favorite is Montel Jackson.

978
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 2: I asked this, Luke, because Cheyenne Beze has gotten us

979
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 2: talking a lot about fighter pay and her story. Well,

980
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 2: her husband JP Bays is back in this bandamweight till

981
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 2: as a huge plus four fifty underdog. Am I wrong? For? What? For?

982
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 2: Watching this? Mainly for the soap opera part of seeing

983
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 2: if JP can fight like a maniac and bring some

984
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 2: more finances to that household.

985
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: Luke, They've got to tell you what's kind of interesting.

986
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: How about this? How about the size differential? So JP

987
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: Bays is five to five, Montel Jackson five to ten.

988
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: That's gonna be fun. But this is, of course the

989
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 1: more interesting one. JP Buys or Bays Harry, I can

990
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,959
Speaker 1: never pronounce that name correctly. Sixty seven inch reach BC,

991
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: Montel Jackson seventy five inch reach. A massive difference there.

992
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 2: That's gonna be how he does it.

993
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Montel Jordan, just the same. I think that you're

994
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: what you're probably gonna see his bays trying to make

995
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: this at least something of a mixed fight where the

996
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: ground plays a big role. But dude, that's a that's

997
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: quite the hell to climb. It's gonna be fun to see.

998
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 2: And you mentioned, Luke, this interesting till at Women's bandon

999
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 2: way Panny. How do we say Penny's last name? Because

1000
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:44,760
Speaker 2: iod has a four fight winning streak against former title

1001
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 2: challenger Rocky Pennington. Luke, you would agree that old Rocky

1002
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 2: at thirty three, has seen better days. Although she is

1003
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 2: fresh off of win over Marion Renault has lost three

1004
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 2: of five comes in as the betting favorite, though against

1005
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 2: the red hot Panny. As we look at the odds

1006
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 2: at the moment, plus one ten for Panny minus one

1007
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 2: thirty for Raquel? Is there anything left in the tank

1008
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 2: for old Rockey here? Luke?

1009
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean, listen, this is the last five of

1010
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: Raquel Pennington. Right, so she has the win over Renault,

1011
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: but Renaud retired after this, right I think? Or that's

1012
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: one or the other one? Uh that she lost to

1013
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: Home Okay, I mean that's fine. Holly Holmes look quite good.

1014
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: She has a win over al Donna. That's pretty impressive,

1015
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: even if that fight was I think a little bit

1016
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 1: closer than you know, just sort of stating it out right.

1017
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: She has the loss to Durando Me, and then the

1018
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: lost to Noons. Now the lost in Neunas, remember that

1019
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 1: came controversially when she wanted out, her corner sends her

1020
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 1: back out there, and then she gets completely obliterated in

1021
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: the fifth and then so losing to Durando Me, who

1022
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: is improved and also probably a terrible fight to come

1023
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,479
Speaker 1: back to given that circumstance. Whatever, here's what I would say.

1024
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,240
Speaker 1: I thought she'd be like done done after the durandom

1025
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: Me fight, and then she's shown a little bit of

1026
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: life left. I think in the case of what she's

1027
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 1: up against, dude, Panny Keanzat is easily easily easily one

1028
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: of the most improved fighters in all of the UFC,

1029
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: and in particular on the women's side of the game.

1030
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: She is massively improved based on what I've seen from

1031
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: her years ago, much better boxing, her jiu jitsu has

1032
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: come a very long way. She knows how to win rounds,

1033
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: she knows how to manage a fight, and when there's

1034
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: a finishing opportunity, she seeks it as well. I have

1035
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: been extremely impressed with the work that she has done.

1036
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: So to me, it's like you got somebody who has

1037
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: just now figured out how to put it all together

1038
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: and is really showing very impressive results against someone who has,

1039
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: you know, been pretty close to the mountaintop and had

1040
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: a lot of struggles. Just based on that alone, I

1041
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 1: kind of expect Keanza to win, but I think it'd

1042
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: be a little bit foolish. Brian, I don't know if

1043
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: you agree. Pennington still shows glimmers of ability and glimmers

1044
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: of you know, really kind of getting after it a

1045
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 1: little bit, and that will make it a little bit

1046
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: tough for Keanza, but skilled for skill, I think Kanzas

1047
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 1: is better.

1048
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 2: And Rocky's very durable, and look, you don't see a

1049
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 2: lot of finishes in the women's game statistically compared to

1050
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 2: the men, and seemingly not a ton of Bannam weight

1051
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 2: and you know, even paying win streak has been all

1052
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 2: decision wins, albeit you know, against faded former contenders and

1053
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 2: the likes of Betchkohea and Alexis Davis and and uh well,

1054
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 2: a good win over Sijarubanks in that run. But this

1055
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 2: is gonna be interesting, mostly because this division is is void, Luke,

1056
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 2: We're void. We're void of names worth talking about. You know,

1057
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 2: we want to ask her Glad to get back in

1058
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 2: the mix and show us what you got. We wanna

1059
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 2: you know where We're gonna keep rechreading gdr in Holly Holm.

1060
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,720
Speaker 2: I mean, so if panicn win five in a row,

1061
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,879
Speaker 2: these are an escalation and the types of names she's

1062
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 2: beating at least, so I got my eye on that one.

1063
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 2: And also Luke just added to the card to open

1064
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 2: up the night a women's Flywaight Till pairing Emily Whitmeyer

1065
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,919
Speaker 2: as the minus one twenty favorite against Hannah twenty four

1066
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 2: k Goldie Luke at plus one hundred, who has more

1067
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 2: canceled fights than appearances so far in the UFC, and

1068
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 2: that oh to two and the octagon can really use

1069
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 2: a win. Luke, you a big, big Hannah Goldie fan.

1070
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: Uh, she's got some ability, but you know she's lost

1071
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: her last two of the three.

1072
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 2: H Uh, like female Luke, She's like who Hannah Goldie.

1073
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: She's the muscle shark. Now, I wouldn't go that far.

1074
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: I wouldn't Huh.

1075
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 2: She fights like it.

1076
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 1: Sean shark had dominant takedowns for his era. I don't

1077
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: think that's quite true. But in any case, in any case,

1078
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 1: if you look at wo Emily Wittwire has lost to

1079
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: in Vianna and hebos, she's lost to somewhat better competition.

1080
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: So this is a tough one. I don't really know

1081
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,879
Speaker 1: which way this is gonna go. I think we ran

1082
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: into Emily Whitmeyer in uh At high Rollers when we

1083
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 1: went there, BC.

1084
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 2: Yes, we did. We We ran into a few gimmicks

1085
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 2: too along the way too. They're just they're just putting

1086
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 2: them in your hand, right, you.

1087
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,399
Speaker 1: Know, I don't know what you're talking about.

1088
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 2: We also ran into Jake Shields and then he just

1089
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 2: sent you to hell on Twitter today, Luke.

1090
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 1: So that in that same conversation, he also told me

1091
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 1: he likes to fuck around on Twitter and social media.

1092
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: So like what am I supposed to do? Get when

1093
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: we get bad about it? Like it is what it is.

1094
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 2: Look, this is the MMA Hardcore Special today. We're not

1095
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 2: talking Paul Brothers. We're going deep on this car quickly

1096
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 2: waqum Buckley, Luke fresh off getting head kicked by Dick Rico.

1097
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 2: I want to see as a minus two ten favorite.

1098
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 2: The highlight reel specialist himself if he can bounce back

1099
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 2: it big against Antonio Arroyo. So that's got my eyes

1100
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 2: on that one, Luke.

1101
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: Fair enough, that's a good one to pick. Mostly, I'm

1102
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: the Armin sar Yuki in one is the only one that,

1103
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: like I really am just desperate to see. That's the

1104
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: one where I really want to see if this dude

1105
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 1: can start turning some corners, because if he can, I'm

1106
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,439
Speaker 1: telling you, he is going to go very far.

1107
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 2: All right, Well, speaking of going far and then saying

1108
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 2: that's enough, Luke, we've got a pair of high priced,

1109
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 2: big name fighter retirements in the last twenty four hours,

1110
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 2: so let's give him their flowers right here, Luke. Big

1111
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 2: news this week. Four time UFC title contender and long

1112
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:54,720
Speaker 2: time Flyway veteran Joe bena Vedez calls it a career

1113
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 2: Luke a twenty eight and eight record, Also Carlos KANDEA.

1114
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 2: But let's let's start here on Joe b Luke. As

1115
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 2: classy and as regular a dude Joe jitsu as you

1116
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 2: can find in this game, and consistently, Luke one of

1117
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 2: the best in this sport. Just you hate to say it.

1118
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 2: As the first line of his oh Bit one day.

1119
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 2: Never got over that hill, but boy did he go

1120
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 2: out swinging in trying to do so. Luke. He was

1121
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 2: one of the faces of this division since it was

1122
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 2: first launched. Demetrius Johnson was sort of that boss at

1123
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 2: the end of the video game. He had problems getting over,

1124
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 2: but you look back at an incredible career, A Fight

1125
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 2: of the Year victory over Henry Sohudo Joe b was

1126
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 2: as good as it gets in this game. Luke, how

1127
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:42,720
Speaker 2: will you remember mister mister Olivi in this case?

1128
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you just I can't say enough good

1129
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: things about him. And I said this in the live

1130
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: chat yesterday BBC, which is worth repeating. We measure greatness

1131
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: a little too limited in uh MMA, where it's like, okay,

1132
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: we'll start with who was champions and then we'll go

1133
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: from there. But you, dude, like, you can't convince me

1134
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: that his resume is better than some people who wore

1135
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,240
Speaker 1: hardware around their waist. It just was in part because

1136
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: for a long stretch of his career he wasn't even

1137
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: competing in his normal E fing weight class. In fact,

1138
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: his first four losses came to Demetrius Johnson and Dominant Cruz.

1139
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: The Dominant Cruise fight he lost twice. That was a

1140
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: one to thirty five, Like do you even want to

1141
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: count that? I mean you can count it, but like

1142
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 1: it just doesn't represent him. And then the first Demitrius

1143
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,359
Speaker 1: johnsonf I was a split decision loss. Okay, he got

1144
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: kot in the second one, but you get the idea, Like, dude,

1145
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: this was a guy who was out there unnaturally competing

1146
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,720
Speaker 1: wave above his weight. And to me, what he represents

1147
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 1: is that first not the post tough boom. The post

1148
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 1: tough boom ushered in people who were kind of already there,

1149
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 1: who were in that sort of UFC ready weight classes.

1150
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: There was a there was a second wave just behind

1151
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: it of people who were in that sort of WEC

1152
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: come up where you know one thirty five and so forth,

1153
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: who were able to do pretty and one twenty five

1154
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: eventually as you saw, who able to do pretty spectacular things.

1155
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: And Team Alpha Male I think kind of had the

1156
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: playbook from like two thousand and eight to I don't know,

1157
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen ish twenty sixteen ish on how to be

1158
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: a really dominant wrestle boxer in this game. And he

1159
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: was a big, big, big part of it. He may

1160
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: have not had the celebrity per se of Uriah Faber

1161
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: or the hardware of Demetrius Johnson, but dude, he kind

1162
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: of split the difference there a little bit. He was

1163
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: extremely talented. He showed how good fighting could be at

1164
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: a lower weight class. He did again, he did it

1165
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: outside of his weight class. To me, he's a really,

1166
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,919
Speaker 1: really special talent. He's a guy deserving of a ton

1167
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: of accolades. He fought until it really wasn't possible to

1168
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: go any further, and he called it off. Maybe you

1169
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: could have called it off after the second, you know,

1170
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 1: Figaredo loss, but he wanted to give it one more try.

1171
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: But dude, listen to the names he's beaten. Okay, and

1172
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 1: again some of these are going to be up a

1173
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: weight class. Danny Martinez, Jeff Current, Big Frog, who is

1174
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,399
Speaker 1: a big name, Hani yai Ya, Miguel Torrez. Folks won't

1175
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: know this, but this is a very good fighter. Wagni Fabiano,

1176
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: Ian Loveland, Eddie Winlandy also here, Uru Shatani who was

1177
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: a dominant force in that weight class over in Japan

1178
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 1: until they brought him out over. Ian McCall, Darren You

1179
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: and Oyama, Juicy or Formiga, sim Elliott, Dustin Ortiz, John Maraga,

1180
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: Ali Becka Utino of Zach mccowsky, Henry so Hudo. Don't

1181
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: forget that Alex Perez, Dustin Ortiz and Juicio Formiga Again, dude,

1182
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 1: that is a baller ass resume if ever there was one.

1183
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like because he never won the title

1184
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 2: in either promotion, that there's there would be people that

1185
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 2: will forget about him over time. Yet, Luke, you know,

1186
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 2: we talked about the four Kings in boxing in the

1187
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 2: nineteen eighties in the great Showtime documentary about Leonard, Hearns,

1188
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 2: Duran and Hagler. There's a fifth king in that Wilfred Benitez, Luke,

1189
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 2: who lost to Sugarte Leonard, but but you know, lost

1190
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 2: to Hearns but beat Durant who sometimes people say, you know,

1191
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 2: it's just as good as those four and fought most

1192
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 2: of them, but doesn't get linked with that. You just

1193
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 2: laid out the names of the of the guys who

1194
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 2: brought life to the idea of small fighters of fighting

1195
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 2: you know below, you know, lightweight or featherweight whatever, the

1196
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,959
Speaker 2: faces of the WEC. We think back of that era,

1197
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 2: we think dominic we think, you know, you're I a favorite,

1198
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 2: Josie Aldo, Demetrius Johnson, the small weight guys who you

1199
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 2: know transitioned to the UFC and we're the faces, and

1200
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 2: Joe was right there with them. Luke, he fought in

1201
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 2: the inaugural UFC flyweight title. About that split decision you

1202
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 2: mentioned in his first fight with Demetrius Johnson, and it

1203
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 2: could have just as easily gone his way on the

1204
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 2: scorecards that night. But I think more than anything, Luke,

1205
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 2: along with being a great guy, and I always thought

1206
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 2: he was a very wise, quote you know, very thoughtful quote,

1207
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 2: he stayed at a super elite level for a long

1208
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,399
Speaker 2: ass time. He's thirty seven years old. He walks away

1209
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 2: on a three fight losing skid, yet you know, went

1210
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 2: for it twice against Figuredo and you know, was in

1211
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 2: that Ascar Ascar off fight and you know, given everything

1212
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 2: he had left. So he was able to keep it

1213
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:42,919
Speaker 2: at a high level for a long time. And Luke,

1214
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 2: considering he's been more or less on top for a

1215
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:48,760
Speaker 2: long ass time, he was one of the first really

1216
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 2: really well rounded, you know, perfect sort of fighters in

1217
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 2: that regard at an early time as people were trans

1218
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 2: you know, rotating from specialization into being complete mixed martial artists.

1219
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 2: I always thought he was a threat in all aspects

1220
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 2: of his game. He changed with the times in that

1221
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 2: regard and stayed up very high and sad to see

1222
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 2: him go, but it seems like the right choice, Luke,

1223
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 2: and I don't want.

1224
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: I would challenge that a little bit. I think you're right, BC,

1225
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right that. Again, he started making a name

1226
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: for himself in a big way around two thousand and

1227
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: eight or so, and those guys out of Team Alpha MAO,

1228
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: I think they wrote the book for that era on

1229
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: wrestle boxing. They really did. No one did it better

1230
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: than them, particularly in those weight classes. They had a

1231
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: game kind of perfectly situated for their body size. But

1232
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: eventually I think what cost them is not just the age,

1233
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: but the striking game kind of moved on past what

1234
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 1: they were able to do. A lot of them just

1235
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: sort of leap into range in that way that they

1236
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: did in that time, which again in that era was

1237
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: perfectly serviceable for winning big, big fights as you can see,

1238
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: but it just it ended up not being enough. The

1239
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:50,919
Speaker 1: one thing I want to point out is he never

1240
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: had back to back losses throughout the course of his

1241
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: career until the Figuredo pairing and then of course Askarov

1242
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: on top. Other than that, if he had a win,

1243
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: he always rebound. In fact, he got KOed by Demitris

1244
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: Johnson one punch in the first round, right, we all

1245
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: remember that. After that he went on a one two, three, four,

1246
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: five six fight win streak which included Tim Elliott with

1247
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: the guillotine choke where Tim had to tap with his

1248
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: feet because he was getting guillotine from mount and his

1249
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: arms were completely closed, Dustin Ortiz, Marago Bagotinov, mccowsky and

1250
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: then Henry Sehudo. Dude, dude, that is a very very

1251
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 1: good resume.

1252
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 2: So, Luke, we hate to have this conversation, but it

1253
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 2: comes up even in the NBA when we talk about

1254
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 2: greats like Charles Barkley or Karl Malone who were you know,

1255
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,919
Speaker 2: top ten, top twenty talent of all time but never

1256
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 2: got the ring. Where do you place him on that countdown,

1257
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 2: the one that Michael Bisbee used to head off that

1258
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 2: now includes Dan Henderson, Dustin Pourier, the guys who have

1259
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 2: never won a full UFC championship but have certainly been

1260
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 2: of that ilk is he is he up there with

1261
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 2: Faber and Hendo and those guys. Where would you put

1262
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 2: a number.

1263
00:58:56,000 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: On him, Luke, Yeah, I don't know what the number

1264
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: would be. But if you're asking me, does he belong

1265
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 1: in consideration with one of the best lightweight lighterweight fighters

1266
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 1: of all time? Sure? Sure, absolutely, I just don't have

1267
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: without making a list, it's hard to know where to put.

1268
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: Do you have a better number, Like, do you know

1269
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: where you would put him?

1270
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 2: I mean top five, you know. I think I've got

1271
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 2: to put Henderson above him and in favor. Yeah, and

1272
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 2: Poorier for now. He's right there, though, Luke, he's right

1273
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 2: fricking right there. I'll tell you that much. I you know,

1274
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 2: he had the chance twice against Figureedo. We were hoping

1275
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 2: he was going to sort of get that bize ping moment,

1276
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 2: that opportunity, but uh didn't get it. Doesn't it doesn't

1277
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 2: soften an incredible career. But Luke, our second retirement same

1278
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 2: age at thirty seven, active of late the great Carlos Condent. Luke,

1279
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 2: I want to throw it to you because you love

1280
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 2: his seminal title war with Robbie Lawler and appreciate that

1281
00:59:56,040 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 2: fight maybe more than anyone I know. Talk to him

1282
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 2: about the feels of seeing Carlos cond In, a former

1283
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 2: welterweight interim champion, say goodbye.

1284
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 1: It's a tough one because a I kind of thought

1285
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: I should have happened a little bit sooner. But I'm

1286
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a disaster that had happened now.

1287
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: In other words, like, you know, did he wait too long?

1288
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: Maybe a little bit, but not so badly, I hope.

1289
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 1: But dude, what can you say? I mean, I said

1290
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 1: this on Twitter, like there are careers and then there's

1291
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: what Carlos Kanda did you know understand what we're talking

1292
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: about here with somebody we were talking about somebody who

1293
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 1: made his pro debut a year after less than a

1294
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 1: year after nine to eleven, and he did it in

1295
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 1: fucking Mexico. He went down there and just beat up

1296
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 1: some guy. Through all of the aughts and everything else,

1297
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 1: he worked himself to a championship level and did it

1298
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 1: without you could say, maybe in the Das fight he

1299
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 1: kind of compromised his style, but more and more often

1300
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: than not, in basic terms, he never ever changed the

1301
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: way he was, which was this complete game and now

1302
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 1: he defined gameness is pursuit of the fight, despite the

1303
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 1: physical consequences. I mean, if that's not Carlos kandit, I

1304
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: don't know who is. And that you can do that

1305
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 1: all the way through the championship level is absolutely remarkable.

1306
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 1: He came in from the WEC to the UFC very

1307
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: much as an afterthought. Folks didn't know. The hardcorees did,

1308
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: but the casuals didn't really know much about him. And

1309
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: then he had a fucking war with Martin Kampman and

1310
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 1: he earned every fighter's respect, he earned every fans respect.

1311
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 1: He achieved great things. And you mentioned that Lawler fight. Dude,

1312
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 1: that Lawlor fight, if you've not seen it, I don't

1313
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: think either of them were ever the same after that.

1314
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 1: I don't think Robbery Lawler's retirement is very far from

1315
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 1: where we are right now. And I'll say this that

1316
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: if that's not the best fight in Walterwood history, it's

1317
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 1: the most thrilling. And it's thrilling in part because of

1318
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: what Carlos Kanda did. The sacrifice he laid on the

1319
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 1: altar of athletic greatness to achieve something and about I

1320
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 1: thought he won by the way, is astounding. You will

1321
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 1: not see guys like this very often, who are absolute

1322
01:01:55,600 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 1: fire eaters and at the same time, championship level fighters

1323
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 1: dreamly rare, and he was that personified.

1324
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 2: He was a human highlight reel. He had a sick

1325
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 2: side to him that would just go after it, which

1326
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:10,439
Speaker 2: was best exemplified in that Lawler fight. And well that's

1327
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 2: your favorite. You know, I can't put it above Lawler McDonald,

1328
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 2: but I do think it had a fifth round. I'm

1329
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 2: talking about a Lawlaer condit that is, you know, on

1330
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 2: pace on par with any with any round in terms

1331
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 2: of just the goal after it and the stakes were

1332
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 2: high and the shit. Luke, for as much as we

1333
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 2: know him as such a celebrated and loved blood and

1334
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 2: guts warrior, you talk about that WEC debut in two

1335
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 2: thousand and seven, that through twenty twelve, So right before

1336
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 2: his title loss to GSP in twenty twelve, Luke he

1337
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 2: went ten and one with the only loss being a

1338
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 2: split decision to Martin Kampman, which as you mentioned, was

1339
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 2: a frickin' war, and his wins during that ten and

1340
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 2: one run across WEC and UFC are highlighted by Jake Ellenberger,

1341
01:02:56,160 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 2: Rory McDonald, Dan Hardy stun Gun, and Nick Diaz. I

1342
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 2: mean that is so freaking and those and there's like

1343
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 2: three straight knockouts in the mists of that against those names,

1344
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 2: where you're talking about a natural born killer indeed.

1345
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 1: Dude, and the don't forget the McDonald fight. Rory was

1346
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 1: beating the shit out of him through two rounds and

1347
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:23,919
Speaker 1: then in the third, as if my memory serves, he

1348
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 1: turned it around and then punished McDonald to the point

1349
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 1: where he baited a referee stoppage. It was incredible. Follows

1350
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: that up with a one punch ko of Dan Hardy,

1351
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 1: follows that up with a double switch knee on the

1352
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 1: stun Gun Don Kung Kim, and then follows that up

1353
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 1: by winning an interim title against Nick Diaz. I mean,

1354
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 1: you gotta be fucking kidding me. That is just other

1355
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 1: worldly levels of ability. I mean, yes, there are guys

1356
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 1: who did more you able to Saint Pierre obviously you

1357
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 1: can say some other ones perhaps as well, But we

1358
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 1: are talking about a very, very unique fighter, the likes

1359
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 1: of which will not be repeated anytime soon.

1360
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 2: And we don't we don't have a you know, a

1361
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 2: self made list of rankings in front of us of

1362
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 2: who are the best welter waits and sports history up

1363
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 2: and down. But when you look at the names of

1364
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 2: those victories that I just mentioned, the high level of them,

1365
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 2: and the fact that he did win an interim title,

1366
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 2: even though I don't love the presence and the use

1367
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 2: of interim titles. Look, that's a I mean, that's a

1368
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 2: freaking impeccable resume for a guy who I think too

1369
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 2: many people think about the blooding guts fight of the

1370
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 2: Night side of him, which is fine because he was

1371
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 2: that guy, But you want to talk about the accomplishments

1372
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 2: on top of that, he really is one of the

1373
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 2: best all time greats. I mean, there's no you know,

1374
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 2: I didn't like seeing him hang on and be a

1375
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 2: slower fraction of himself the last couple of years, but

1376
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 2: when he was at his best, dude, good lord.

1377
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 1: I mean well, I mean I'm glad he retired because,

1378
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 1: you know, losing to Robbi Lawler had to be difficult.

1379
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 1: But then he fought Demi and Maya. Okay, then he

1380
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 1: fought Neil Magne, who's, you know, a top ranked fighter,

1381
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:51,439
Speaker 1: and then Alex Olavera was a bit of a tough

1382
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 1: one to swallow. But then Kisa, you know, he's a

1383
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 1: top ranked fighter, and then he goes in the wins

1384
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 1: against McGee and Brown, those are nice, and then he

1385
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: lost to Max Griffin, who I think is a good fighter.

1386
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 1: But you have to ask yourself, would would a guy

1387
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 1: like Carlos have lost to a guy like Max five

1388
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 1: six years ago? Probably not? Probably not, And so I

1389
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 1: think for that reason he was like, Okay, let's let's

1390
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 1: just call it a day before there's any damage done.

1391
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 1: And I'm pretty glad, but I agree with you, dude.

1392
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 1: Like in boxing, where you have so many titles, I

1393
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 1: think you can use titles as a baseline for who

1394
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 1: did something and didn't like It would be very hard

1395
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 1: for me to think about, like who's the best boxer

1396
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 1: who never won a title? I don't. I mean, you

1397
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 1: could answer that question obviously a lot better than I can.

1398
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 1: But is it anybody even remarkable in mma? Dude? And

1399
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 1: of course he got the interim title, and he was

1400
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 1: the WEC champion, so he did have hardware, But I'm

1401
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:40,439
Speaker 1: saying a full on UFC title he never got it. Dude,

1402
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 1: You rob everyone, not you, but like the proverbial you

1403
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 1: of history, if you don't tell the story of people

1404
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 1: like this. Even though he didn't get a full weight

1405
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 1: class title.

1406
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 2: It's like, I almost don't want to put him in

1407
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 2: that list I just talked about with Benevitez because he

1408
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 2: does have the WEC title and the interim title, which

1409
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 2: together should almost equal. It's just like Dan Henderson's hard

1410
01:05:58,560 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 2: to put in that list because everything he had comp

1411
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 2: was elsewhere outside of the UFC. Yeah, what a freaking

1412
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 2: great career. And it just you know, it's not his fault.

1413
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:08,439
Speaker 2: He was in the gsp era and you know it's

1414
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 2: not his fault that although he gave what was left

1415
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 2: of him against Lawla Luke, that was a split decision

1416
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 2: that could have gone either way. I mean, he could

1417
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 2: have exited that night, although that was the first of

1418
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 2: a five fight losing streak probably justified, so you know,

1419
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 2: justifiably given the damage. But you know, he could have

1420
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 2: just as easily been the champion that night. So what

1421
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 2: a what a remarkable run thirty two and fourteen for

1422
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 2: the thirty seven year old to walk away. But that

1423
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 2: almost doesn't really matter in the end, Luke, it's what

1424
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 2: he left behind an ambassador too for what the UFC

1425
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 2: was really you know, marketing itself to be, you know well.

1426
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 1: And also like if you just look at you see

1427
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 1: if you look at like where he fought in the

1428
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 1: early stages of his career. He tells the story of

1429
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:49,440
Speaker 1: MMA at the time, like he had a lot of

1430
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 1: regional fights in the New Mexico area and then he

1431
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 1: got really his first big start in Japan. Japan. Well

1432
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 1: this was in two thousand and five to Japan, had

1433
01:06:57,080 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 1: a I mean a massive MMA scene that time, and

1434
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 1: then he went in his real big introduction to the

1435
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 1: big stage. You could maybe see the Kidawaka fight he

1436
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 1: had in Pancrase, but I would argue would be the

1437
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 1: Rumble on the Rock and where he beat Hanato Varrissimo,

1438
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,480
Speaker 1: who was folksman. I know that was bj Penn's jiu

1439
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 1: jitsu coach for a long time. And then he triangled

1440
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 1: Frank Trick. He did lose ultimately to Jake Shields. Jake

1441
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 1: Shields very talented, but you know that's when he announced

1442
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 1: that he was a player among the top welterweights in

1443
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:26,640
Speaker 1: the world. And so he went and ended up in

1444
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 1: WBC not too long after that, after returning to Pancrazer.

1445
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 1: It's just an interesting way to look back in time,

1446
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 1: so to speak.

1447
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 2: And he was at his best at that point right

1448
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 2: around the WEC merging into the UFC, where the sport

1449
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 2: had really started to make major inroads in the mainstream.

1450
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 2: And Luke, I just remember like the kind of tough

1451
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 2: dudes with tats and an Affliction T shirt and a

1452
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 2: chain that listened to like, you know, early two thousands,

1453
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 2: hard new metal, and you those guys, Carlos Kanda was

1454
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 2: their favorite fighter, Like, no question, every guy you ran into,

1455
01:07:57,680 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 2: like at a bar, who uh you know who you

1456
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 2: can tell like fights and you talk to him, and dude,

1457
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 2: he was every single one of those guys, rightfully, so,

1458
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 2: just an absolute badass favorite fighter. It seemed like people

1459
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 2: were either a cowboy guy or a content guy back then. Luke,

1460
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 2: the real fan, the real fans, Luke, you know what

1461
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

1462
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 1: Kind of interesting. They never fought, you know.

1463
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is very interesting, Luke. We talked flyweights with

1464
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 2: Joseph Benavitez, his exit from the title picture, and the

1465
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 2: sport altogether. Let's talk flywights again for topic four because

1466
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 2: this slid in our DMS this week kind of out

1467
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 2: of nowhere. YOUFC two sixty nine on December eleventh, We're

1468
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 2: gonna have a trilogy title fight when defending champion Brandon

1469
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 2: Moreno takes on Davison Figaredo or the third straight time. Luke,

1470
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 2: I've seen polarizing reactions to this online. What is your reaction,

1471
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 2: because I'm very surprised by this.

1472
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 1: I was surprised at first. I was surprised at first,

1473
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:53,720
Speaker 1: but then I thought about it a little bit. Bse,

1474
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 1: tell me what you think. This is the way I

1475
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:59,719
Speaker 1: looked at it. One. This has a real boxing feel

1476
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:01,880
Speaker 1: to it. You ever notice like sometimes they'll just pair

1477
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 1: two fighters and boxing together because they kind of just

1478
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 1: do good business or the fights themselves, you know, like

1479
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 1: they just seem to go well. Like ask yourself, this,

1480
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 1: did Pacuio and Marquez need to fight five times? Like?

1481
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 1: They didn't need to fight that many times? I know

1482
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:18,760
Speaker 1: early on they need to because there was a lot

1483
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 1: of controversy about the way that the fights went in

1484
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 1: terms of the judging and whatnot. But you know, like

1485
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 1: the last two you probably didn't necessarily need. They just

1486
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 1: kept making them because to your.

1487
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 2: Point, Luke, the fourth one, which was the best one

1488
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:32,600
Speaker 2: by far, in my opinion, there was a lot of

1489
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 2: columns written that this was customer fatigue. We don't need

1490
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 2: it we've seen it, right, blah blah blah.

1491
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 1: Right exactly, but sometimes you can just pair them up

1492
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:42,640
Speaker 1: a little bit, now, you know. I also made the

1493
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 1: point where it's it's got a little a little BC

1494
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:47,320
Speaker 1: before you kill me for the comparison a little Vazquez

1495
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 1: Marquez in it. But obviously this is different because it's

1496
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 1: just the one major weight class title, and so the

1497
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 1: stakes are significantly bigger, and so for that reason, you

1498
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 1: would imagine there'd be more discretion given to the matchmaking. Still,

1499
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 1: you can't tell me that the fight's gonna be bad.

1500
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 1: I would be hard pressed to make that argument. I

1501
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 1: would have liked to have seen a fresh contender roll through.

1502
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:07,720
Speaker 1: I think most of us would have. But the way

1503
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 1: they explained it was the guy who was there, Pantoja

1504
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 1: is not gonna be ready, so they just had to

1505
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:15,719
Speaker 1: find someone else. You could have maybe said Askarov. Okay,

1506
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 1: I don't know why they didn't go that direction, given

1507
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:19,640
Speaker 1: that he had the win over Benavidez. But at the

1508
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:22,680
Speaker 1: same time, maybe they don't think he's ready, maybe they

1509
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:25,759
Speaker 1: think he needs another win. Whatever the case, it's kind

1510
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 1: of fun. It's kind of different. I guess I don't

1511
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 1: love it, but I definitely don't hate it.

1512
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 2: Okay, here's why I don't like it, and it's really

1513
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 2: hard to say you don't like it. Whent to your

1514
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:37,639
Speaker 2: point right there, these guys make great theater in their

1515
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 2: first fight. If it wasn't for Joanna and way Lee

1516
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 2: would have been the fight of the year. I mean,

1517
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 2: the reason why I don't like it is this, I

1518
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:47,760
Speaker 2: think Askarov is more than deserving and the fact that

1519
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:52,679
Speaker 2: Mareno just finished Figaredo. So you're asking your champion, who

1520
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:55,600
Speaker 2: fought five rounds life and death with Figaredo, and you

1521
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 2: could have argued he deserved to have won it. You

1522
01:10:58,120 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 2: asked him to run it back a second time. He does,

1523
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 2: He finishes Figaredo dominantly, and it's this great story and

1524
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 2: now you're asking him to do it again. I almost

1525
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 2: feel like Figaredo. You know, look, he was a great

1526
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 2: champion in that short window and he's a badass and

1527
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:14,639
Speaker 2: he's one of my favorite fighters, Figaredo, but he didn't

1528
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:17,800
Speaker 2: have the kind of decorated title run where you're like, no,

1529
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 2: he deserves this, or even though these guys made two

1530
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 2: good fights were really one amazing fight, and then the

1531
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 2: second one was fun but quick somewhat quick. I don't

1532
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 2: think it was like we need to see this third one.

1533
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:33,080
Speaker 2: So when I look at Eskarov, Luke said, what is

1534
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 2: he fourteen zero to one three ohwen one since coming

1535
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 2: to the UFC, and that only blemesh if you call

1536
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 2: it that a fight of the year's contender split draw

1537
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 2: with the current champion, Brandon Moreno in twenty nineteen, Like,

1538
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 2: it just makes more sense than anything that this guy

1539
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 2: is a top your rankings that he would get next.

1540
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:56,839
Speaker 2: He already proved that he can push the current champion,

1541
01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 2: and he just retired Benavidez and had one a fight

1542
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:03,240
Speaker 2: over Pantosia, a top contender before that, and had wanted

1543
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:05,439
Speaker 2: decision over tim Ellie Hat a tough out before that.

1544
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,680
Speaker 2: So I don't think anyone else deserves this more than him.

1545
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 2: And I'm not fighting this battle because I'm an Askar

1546
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 2: Askarov super fan, even though Luke, I'm a card carrying member.

1547
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 2: You better believe that.

1548
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:17,600
Speaker 1: So then, but then answer the question, then why do

1549
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 1: you think they passed over him? And they identified Pantoja

1550
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:21,599
Speaker 1: Marketing Marketing.

1551
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 2: Here's what it is, Luke. This card is December eleventh

1552
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 2: and Las Vegas. It's their end of the Year major.

1553
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 2: If you look at you know, UFC having like golfer

1554
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 2: Tennis majors, and what do you want? You want a

1555
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:36,599
Speaker 2: big audience and you don't with Amanda Newness Juliana Pina

1556
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 2: have a huge marketing hook to get people in there.

1557
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 2: But what you do have is a Mexican champion for

1558
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:47,760
Speaker 2: the first time here in Marino, who people love. And

1559
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:51,600
Speaker 2: you've got a proven guy who's a badass in in Figaredo,

1560
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 2: who you know is gonna push the pace and make

1561
01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 2: an incredible fight. I think it's more like, let's try

1562
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 2: to bring as many Mexican Mexican American fans to Las

1563
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 2: Vegas that wee can, and let's make this as big

1564
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 2: an event as we could. By putting him against somebody

1565
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:05,640
Speaker 2: that you know, the former champion who just gave you

1566
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 2: two good fights against him, I think Ascar is much

1567
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:10,560
Speaker 2: more deserving now. Wouldn't you have liked this, Luke a

1568
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 2: little better if Figaredo had to come back and beat

1569
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:16,760
Speaker 2: a Pantosia or prove himself again and you could do

1570
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:19,639
Speaker 2: this this third fight a little bit more down the road,

1571
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 2: but as champion, or even if Marino had lost the

1572
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:25,479
Speaker 2: belt as the number one contender fight. I just think

1573
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:28,639
Speaker 2: it's a little bit of like panic, let's take advantage

1574
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 2: of Moreno on the marketing side, do they think he

1575
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 2: has a better chance of beating Figaredo than ask her off?

1576
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 2: I don't know, Luke. That's deep level conspiracy stuff that

1577
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:38,560
Speaker 2: only happens in that war room. But I think I

1578
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:40,559
Speaker 2: laid down enough of an argument, Luke where you can't

1579
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 2: tell me I'm wrong, at least not to my face.

1580
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 2: And I'll see you Sunday night.

1581
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 1: No, I think you make good points. I think that's

1582
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 1: a great point. I hadn't really fully considered the depth

1583
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:50,519
Speaker 1: of where they were putting this in what that might mean. Also,

1584
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:52,720
Speaker 1: you know, again, I don't know if this is the case,

1585
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong. So Jangway Lee, she wins

1586
01:13:56,360 --> 01:13:58,639
Speaker 1: the title and then loses it in her subsequent bouton

1587
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 1: or granted there was the pandemic between or something to

1588
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 1: that effect. Right, she didn't have a clear title defense,

1589
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:06,840
Speaker 1: and they were hoping you could like, Okay, we got

1590
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:08,640
Speaker 1: a Chinese champion. This is going to be our key

1591
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:10,600
Speaker 1: to unlock the market, which, of course we know is

1592
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 1: if not guarantee your best chance of unlocking any potential market.

1593
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 1: They finally got a Mexican champion. He just beat this guy.

1594
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 1: It was exciting. Fans probably won't rebel to your point,

1595
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 1: there are some indications about where the card is, where

1596
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:25,160
Speaker 1: the fight is being placed on the card, and then

1597
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 1: what part of the year. And this I think they

1598
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:29,640
Speaker 1: just want to see how long they can keep his

1599
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 1: gun not Colin. They can keep him champion, but if

1600
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:34,280
Speaker 1: they can give the matchmaking a little bit of a

1601
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 1: twist this way versus that way, and he can extend

1602
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 1: his reign as champion, it just gives him a better

1603
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 1: chance to make the most of what it means to

1604
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:43,760
Speaker 1: have a Mexican UFC champion. That could very well be

1605
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 1: I think that's a pretty good theory.

1606
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 2: We don't know how much longer Figuretto can even make

1607
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 2: this weight. To be fully honest, Luke In, this card

1608
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:52,560
Speaker 2: needs some type of marketing anchor in that regard. But

1609
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 2: again I can't hate on it. And certainly this card

1610
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 2: has some other fights I'm really into, like Cody Garbrand

1611
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:02,479
Speaker 2: and kk Ants and you know, Montana de la Rossa,

1612
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:05,679
Speaker 2: Macy Barber. So we'll see if they add a sort

1613
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 2: of a third big draw or if they keep it

1614
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:10,599
Speaker 2: as is. Excuse me looking at a little indigestion here,

1615
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:13,599
Speaker 2: But you know again, can I argue this much against

1616
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 2: this fight? No, this fight's gonna be badass. So thank

1617
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 2: you UFC, thank you Flyways. All right, Luke, let's keep

1618
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:22,879
Speaker 2: the show rolling. Our final topic is a very interesting

1619
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:25,720
Speaker 2: one from I don't know. I was gonna say down under,

1620
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 2: not down under, but far over Singapore one Championship. Luke's

1621
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:36,080
Speaker 2: friend and accounting major Shatri Sidyong Kan appeared on Luke's

1622
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 2: other friend Ariel Jwani's MMA Fighting MMA Hour show and

1623
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:42,080
Speaker 2: had a big announcement Luke, and I'll tell you it's

1624
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 2: pretty damn unique. A mixed rules fight for one X

1625
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:49,800
Speaker 2: on December fifth. They're calling it one X. What does

1626
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:50,680
Speaker 2: that signify, Luke?

1627
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 1: Their tenth card anniversary.

1628
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 2: I feel like teth anniversary of their promotion. And here's

1629
01:15:56,479 --> 01:15:59,160
Speaker 2: what it's gonna be. Demetrius Mighty Mouse Johnson, one of

1630
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 2: the all time great fresh off his loss though in

1631
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 2: a title bout with one championship against I want to

1632
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:08,120
Speaker 2: pronounce this right, Luke, because when I see it, I

1633
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:11,760
Speaker 2: see Rod Tang. But this guy Rotang is an absolute

1634
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 2: beast of a of a brawler, fighter, warrior, muy Thai machine.

1635
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 2: This will be a mixed rules bout on December fifty

1636
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 2: four round fight. Two of them will be muy Thai rules,

1637
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 2: two of the rounds will be MMA rules. They will

1638
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 2: be alternating four rounds. Gloves for all of them, and

1639
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:32,760
Speaker 2: a pretty good card on top of that, Luke with

1640
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 2: Bibiano Fernandez defending his bantamweight title against Hands of Stone

1641
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:39,599
Speaker 2: John Lineker love It and a featherweight title bout between

1642
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 2: Ton Lee and your boy Gary with two rs. Toning, Luke,

1643
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:46,960
Speaker 2: how do you react to this interesting style of matchmaking

1644
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:47,639
Speaker 2: for Mighty Mouse.

1645
01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 1: Uh, it was not the It's not it's it's different,

1646
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 1: but it's not highly unique. This was already done I think,

1647
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:56,120
Speaker 1: either by Dream or Pride. I forget who did it

1648
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:58,559
Speaker 1: at the time. I guess Pride had already closed up shops,

1649
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 1: so I had to be Dream. Shak Shinya Aoki did it,

1650
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 1: yes against I forget It is the end the guy

1651
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 1: who was a Cause player and he ended up winning.

1652
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 1: I think inside the MMA portion of the whole thing,

1653
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 1: to which made it so funny. I remember when that happened,

1654
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:12,560
Speaker 1: and people hated it at the time, but it was

1655
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:14,799
Speaker 1: part of sort of Japanese New Year, if memory serves,

1656
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:16,640
Speaker 1: and so a little bit of craziness, a little bit

1657
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:18,160
Speaker 1: of showmanship goes a long way. This is sort of

1658
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 1: out of that playbook. Listen. You know, I think that

1659
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:25,759
Speaker 1: the people who run One Championship they don't love anything

1660
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:27,920
Speaker 1: more than hemorrhaging money and then not telling the truth

1661
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:31,240
Speaker 1: about it. But aside from that, their product is pretty

1662
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 1: good for the most part. I kind of like it.

1663
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:34,600
Speaker 1: Is this my favorite thing in the world. Wow, I

1664
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:38,040
Speaker 1: don't know about that. But they're making I think, mostly

1665
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 1: effective use of their roster. You know, Mighty Mouse did

1666
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 1: lose his last about pretty pretty convincingly, or you know,

1667
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:48,639
Speaker 1: I think he got stopped, so you know, they're looking

1668
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 1: for like an interesting way to make use of him,

1669
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 1: to make use of Rod Tang and then go from there.

1670
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 1: And this is a decent way I think to accomplish that.

1671
01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 1: That's an interesting about. I think fans who like One

1672
01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:01,800
Speaker 1: Championship will probably like that a lot. And I'll also

1673
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:04,080
Speaker 1: say this, you know, there are there are pluses and

1674
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:07,559
Speaker 1: there are minuses to the Athletic Commission controlling the fight

1675
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:11,720
Speaker 1: game model. One of the downsides is that getting rule

1676
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:14,640
Speaker 1: innovation in place and moving is very, very difficult, you know.

1677
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 1: One championship doesn't really have that. It's not to say

1678
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:20,080
Speaker 1: that they couldn't get this fight done under a commission model.

1679
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:21,840
Speaker 1: I probably could, but it would take a lot of

1680
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:24,599
Speaker 1: extra work. They have a certain nimbleness I'm pointing outbously

1681
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:27,519
Speaker 1: to make changes to their product and bring it to

1682
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 1: the marketplace. That differentiates it in a pretty easy way.

1683
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:33,360
Speaker 1: Maybe this is your thing, maybe it's not. But I

1684
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 1: like that there's at least one reasonably dominant player outside

1685
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 1: of the UFC who can who can do that kind

1686
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 1: of a thing, So it's interesting.

1687
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:44,120
Speaker 2: I like it a lot. Now, Rod Tang is I

1688
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 2: don't want what am I supposed to call him? Luke.

1689
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 2: I can't pronounce his last name.

1690
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:49,439
Speaker 1: I don't just call him rod Tang. I don't know

1691
01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:50,200
Speaker 1: how to pronounce it either.

1692
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 2: Is I'm being I'm being open with my ignorance here.

1693
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 2: So Rodting's a badass. You would know him because one

1694
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 2: Championship of late on those four TNT cards, Luke, they

1695
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:01,080
Speaker 2: rolled them out there twice on those MMA cards in

1696
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:03,679
Speaker 2: muy Thai bouts. He's twenty four years old. He turned

1697
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 2: pro at age sixteen and muy Thai and Luke. His

1698
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:09,759
Speaker 2: professional muy Thai record is two hundred and sixty seven wins,

1699
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:14,479
Speaker 2: forty two losses, and ten draws. He fought five times

1700
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 2: six times alone in twenty twenty. So this guy gets

1701
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 2: after it. And of course we've seen highlights of him,

1702
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 2: Luke doing the recard on my org of pounding his

1703
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 2: chin and giving out free shots. He is an absolute badass.

1704
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:29,599
Speaker 2: This fight one hundred and thirty five pounds. So it's

1705
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 2: gonna be interesting because you know, Demetrius has got a

1706
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:35,800
Speaker 2: lot to prove coming off that loss. And I want

1707
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:40,559
Speaker 2: to see how these styles and these these round rules changes,

1708
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 2: you know, brings in on here, Luke, and I think

1709
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 2: seeing John Litiker in a title bot against Bibiano Fernandez

1710
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 2: is sort of a pairing with that is smart matchmaking

1711
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:50,639
Speaker 2: here from one Luke, we don't look we are quick

1712
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:56,599
Speaker 2: to criticize Chatri and his celebrity apprentice turned but all

1713
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 2: care about this on this night? All right, this is

1714
01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:01,320
Speaker 2: another you know they took the it's not expired food,

1715
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 2: but I'm into it, Luke.

1716
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:05,720
Speaker 1: We should also know that we're talking about one matchmaking.

1717
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:08,599
Speaker 1: But there was a report from bloody elbow this week

1718
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:11,800
Speaker 1: digging into the finances of One as they've looked into

1719
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 1: it over the course of the years. This is the

1720
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 1: most recent one. Would you know at BC they continue

1721
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:19,439
Speaker 1: to have hemorrhage millions of dollars And then, yeah, not

1722
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:20,320
Speaker 1: tell the truth about that.

1723
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:23,680
Speaker 2: John Snatch had a report in which he took their

1724
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:27,200
Speaker 2: own public filings and dug in and came out and

1725
01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 2: showed that essentially One sold itself the naming rights of

1726
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 2: itself to itself to a subsidiary company within its organization

1727
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:42,320
Speaker 2: for what like four hundred million, So it's a it

1728
01:20:42,439 --> 01:20:44,960
Speaker 2: looks like the company acquired this giant amount of money,

1729
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:47,360
Speaker 2: yet they sold it to themselves. And then, of course

1730
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:50,040
Speaker 2: you know Shatri, who I give credit for sitting in

1731
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:52,160
Speaker 2: with Ariel, and I give Aerial credit for asking these

1732
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:54,200
Speaker 2: type of questions. They asked him about it, and Shatri

1733
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:58,320
Speaker 2: danced around putting down the report. Luke got a second

1734
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:00,759
Speaker 2: chance from Ariel to sort of explain in what errors

1735
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 2: there were in the report declined altogether. And then I

1736
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 2: saw John nashtweet that they even reached out to One

1737
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:09,080
Speaker 2: before that went public and gave them two weeks of

1738
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:13,719
Speaker 2: time to come back with you know, either quotes, reasoning, whatever,

1739
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 2: and they declined. So, Luke, all those facts in front

1740
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:18,439
Speaker 2: of us, and the fact that John Nash took the

1741
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:24,080
Speaker 2: information from one's own, you know, financial report, it kind

1742
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 2: of makes you look like a clown show again, it does, Yeah, I.

1743
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:30,720
Speaker 1: Mean again their product on the actual Matt I tend

1744
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 1: to like more often than not. I tend to think

1745
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:37,000
Speaker 1: it's pretty good. But I wouldn't trust personally speaking, you know,

1746
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 1: in my opinion, BC, I wouldn't trust a thing he

1747
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:39,639
Speaker 1: has to say.

1748
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 2: Luke, would you be more likely to buy a used

1749
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:45,559
Speaker 2: car if you had to from shots Dana which one?

1750
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:50,639
Speaker 1: Oh, Dana data times a thousand, I would never trust.

1751
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, but.

1752
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:54,000
Speaker 1: Dana, Dana, you know, Dana might have Listen, I might

1753
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:55,759
Speaker 1: have to pay more for that car than what I wanted,

1754
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 1: but I trust that the car is in good shape

1755
01:21:57,479 --> 01:21:57,960
Speaker 1: and it's fine.

1756
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 2: Dana would one hundred percent have sex in the backseat

1757
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:01,960
Speaker 2: before selling it to you.

1758
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:05,479
Speaker 1: You know what, I'll just take it to the old

1759
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:07,479
Speaker 1: Jiffy loop. I'm having vacum out the back. Whatever I

1760
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:10,559
Speaker 1: gotta do, but that I would buy that car from Chawtri. Nah,

1761
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:13,599
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go find the local fucking bike shop. I'll

1762
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:15,479
Speaker 1: be on my way. Thanks, all right, Luke.

1763
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:15,800
Speaker 2: That is it?

1764
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 3: Uh.

1765
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 2: He may be dead wrong about his own finances, but Luke,

1766
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:20,920
Speaker 2: speaking of us, sometimes you and I yell into a

1767
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:26,760
Speaker 2: microphone long enough each week that we are also yeah row.

1768
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:30,320
Speaker 2: But why don't we hear about it right now?

1769
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:33,200
Speaker 1: See seven different levels to double worshiping horse and sex,

1770
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 1: human sacrifices, cannibalism, candles and extorcism, animals having sex with them, camel's, mammals,

1771
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 1: and rabbits. But I don't get into that. I kicked

1772
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:39,439
Speaker 1: the habit.

1773
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:42,559
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Yeah, I'm big meat. Call me Larry Hoover.

1774
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:46,120
Speaker 2: All right, Luke, Morning combat at gmail dot com is

1775
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:48,240
Speaker 2: where you better. If you're gonna come, you better come on.

1776
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 2: You better bring it, You better bring receipts. In terms

1777
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:52,840
Speaker 2: of what we got wrong, Luke. Number one, This is

1778
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:56,679
Speaker 2: from Jordan in Hawaii. I believe Seth and Austin also

1779
01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:00,280
Speaker 2: wrote us. But Jordan says episode two oh three, one

1780
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 2: hour and fifty six minutes, and discussing the possible record

1781
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:06,960
Speaker 2: for the Washington football team this season, Luke predicted seven

1782
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 2: and nine, which is a fellow WFT fan in terms

1783
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:13,679
Speaker 2: of the team's potential. I agree with. However, what Luke

1784
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:14,639
Speaker 2: failed to realize.

1785
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 1: Oh my god, does this person not know NFL? You

1786
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:20,639
Speaker 1: have a bye week? So you only have sixteen fucking games?

1787
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:22,840
Speaker 2: Oh, Luke, what the person? What you don't know is

1788
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:26,719
Speaker 2: that the twenty twenty one NFL season now has seventeen games.

1789
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 2: Therefore us the predicted record would either be seven and

1790
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 2: ten or eight and nine. Love the show, Jordan for

1791
01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:36,760
Speaker 2: y But Luke, are you sure you are dead freaking wrong? Luke?

1792
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:41,320
Speaker 1: Hold on, I'm gonna look this up. Are you sure? Yeah,

1793
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 1: I'm saying it's true. I'm gonna look this up. Ho

1794
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:46,839
Speaker 1: all right, so they've got let's see.

1795
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:49,840
Speaker 2: I think, Luke, I think you're actually keep going.

1796
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:50,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look it up.

1797
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:53,639
Speaker 2: Well, there's nothing to go but watch you squirm, Luke,

1798
01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 2: Let you slide, let you ride. It's a homicide. You

1799
01:23:57,320 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying?

1800
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:00,439
Speaker 1: Yes, fuck is this?

1801
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 2: I'll show you how death ro pulls off that? Who ride?

1802
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:04,519
Speaker 3: Luke?

1803
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:10,120
Speaker 1: Week three is Buffalo for five, six, seven, eight. Week

1804
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 1: nine is the bye week, so you now have ten eleven?

1805
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:16,519
Speaker 2: I mean you're just wasting time. You're right, You're actually dead?

1806
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:18,760
Speaker 1: Wrong? Luke, Okay, yeah, all right, whatever, suck a dick.

1807
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 2: Thank you Jordan for saying what needed to be said.

1808
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:26,040
Speaker 2: All Right, We've got people named vu Go, Ran and

1809
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 2: Abdullah sliding in this week on Monday's episode at number

1810
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:33,280
Speaker 2: two oh two at one thirty five oh seven on YouTube.

1811
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 2: When watching the soccer video during have you seen this ship?

1812
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:42,400
Speaker 2: Luke asks if the jersey is a Galata Galata Sorrey jersey.

1813
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 1: Glad to Sarai Galatasarai?

1814
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:50,439
Speaker 2: It is an as Roma jersey for marilem Pijohn sick

1815
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:52,960
Speaker 2: and you, Luke apparently.

1816
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 1: Or Deiani, I think is how I could be wrong.

1817
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:57,120
Speaker 1: I think it's Pianch, but I could be wrong about

1818
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 1: that too.

1819
01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 2: Okay, that's wow, Luke, there's there's over two here start off.

1820
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:00,840
Speaker 3: Wow.

1821
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:04,400
Speaker 1: Okay, motherfucker. Are you under the impression you haven't had

1822
01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 1: some doozies here?

1823
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 2: Well, I'm able to defend most of mine, I think,

1824
01:25:08,240 --> 01:25:11,280
Speaker 2: at least I hope, Luke. Here's Greg sliding in. Last Friday,

1825
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 2: I threw down the gauntlet for BC by telling him

1826
01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:17,080
Speaker 2: I'd be back to dead wrong his ass this week,

1827
01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:20,280
Speaker 2: So here I am. This week BC had more screw

1828
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 2: ups on the mic Than John Jones has had outside

1829
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:25,760
Speaker 2: the octagon, and here they are. The first dead wrong

1830
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 2: came in at nineteen fifteen of episode two oh one

1831
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:33,160
Speaker 2: while discussing Donald Trump's role at the Triller pre fight

1832
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:36,280
Speaker 2: press conference. When referring to the fact that Trump called

1833
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:40,080
Speaker 2: the Vander Holyfield the greatest light heavyweight, he called him

1834
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:42,519
Speaker 2: not one off, he called him the greatest light heavyweight

1835
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 2: of all time. Greg BC claimed that a Vander never

1836
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:47,920
Speaker 2: even fought at that weight. As a matter of fact,

1837
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:51,719
Speaker 2: Evander Holyfield actually began his career as a light heavyweight

1838
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 2: prior to making the jump to cruiserweight. So my man

1839
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:58,719
Speaker 2: BC was simply dead wrong in this one. Hey Greg, Hey, brother,

1840
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:02,200
Speaker 2: not so fast, my friend. You know who's dead wrong

1841
01:26:02,280 --> 01:26:06,120
Speaker 2: on this one. You are motherfucker. Because even though Evander

1842
01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:09,679
Speaker 2: Holyfield debuted in his pro boxing debut in his first

1843
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:13,479
Speaker 2: three fights at one seventy six, one seventy seven, and

1844
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 2: a half one seventy eight, all four of his first

1845
01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:22,360
Speaker 2: bouts came over the one hundred and seventy five pound

1846
01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:25,880
Speaker 2: lightweight limit, which would make all of his first fights

1847
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:31,639
Speaker 2: cruiserweight fights. Brother, So you sir, are dead wrong. Even

1848
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:34,639
Speaker 2: though Evander's body was much close to the light heavyweight

1849
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 2: at the time. Those are officially cruiserweight bouts. Eat a dick, motherfucker,

1850
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 2: nice one.

1851
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:42,880
Speaker 1: That's a good You ever seen those scenes in the

1852
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:45,960
Speaker 1: movie BC, where someone throws the grenade and then they

1853
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:48,479
Speaker 1: catch it and throw it back. That is technically possible.

1854
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:50,560
Speaker 1: It just depends how long the timing is before it

1855
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:53,280
Speaker 1: goes off. Someone have threes and have six. But in

1856
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:55,200
Speaker 1: any case, you're the guy who threw it back and

1857
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:56,920
Speaker 1: then they fucking blew up and you won. That's what

1858
01:26:57,000 --> 01:26:57,439
Speaker 1: you just did.

1859
01:26:57,479 --> 01:27:01,519
Speaker 2: Hey, Greg, I eight pieces of shit like you for breakfast? Right? Yeah,

1860
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:07,560
Speaker 2: all right, Greg continues next. BC was dead wrong in

1861
01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:11,200
Speaker 2: episode two oh three while discussing l Romero's recent fights,

1862
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:15,120
Speaker 2: claiming that his loss to Audisania was a close split

1863
01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:18,840
Speaker 2: decision despite it actually having been unanimous. Greg, I will

1864
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:20,920
Speaker 2: give you that. I will take that. L. I did

1865
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:24,519
Speaker 2: look it up afterwards. Yes, Adasania won by unanimous decision,

1866
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:27,640
Speaker 2: despite me scoring it three rounds to two for the

1867
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:30,920
Speaker 2: Soldier of God. Simple mistakes. But BC, I'm afraid you

1868
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:33,599
Speaker 2: were dead wrong, not once, but twice. I'll be back

1869
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 2: on the segment again next week to take one of

1870
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:38,880
Speaker 2: your souls, So watch your p's and q's. Also, Greg

1871
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 2: says ps Phil Davis by boring as decision is the

1872
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:43,960
Speaker 2: bet tonight the Saturday.

1873
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:46,360
Speaker 1: Night He's I mean, can you say he's wrong?

1874
01:27:46,479 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 2: I don't know. We'll see all right. One more, This

1875
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:51,680
Speaker 2: one's from Max. Wow, they're coming after me hard here,

1876
01:27:52,240 --> 01:27:53,440
Speaker 2: Luke Brian.

1877
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:55,680
Speaker 1: Listen, you were you were you if you're a real

1878
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:58,080
Speaker 1: confident when the guns were aimed at me, But now

1879
01:27:58,080 --> 01:27:59,240
Speaker 1: they're turned on you, my friend.

1880
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:02,760
Speaker 2: I'm just yeah, I'm just dodging the haters left and right.

1881
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:05,439
Speaker 2: On Wednesday's show, episode two oh eight, during the Wheel

1882
01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 2: of Death portion, Ryan began his intro into the PF

1883
01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:13,600
Speaker 2: chang af question. When you started reading the question, I

1884
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:15,960
Speaker 2: was thirty years old, but by the time you finished

1885
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:19,479
Speaker 2: reading the intro, I was thirty five years of age.

1886
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:22,840
Speaker 2: In this five year gap, I missed birthdays and funerals

1887
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:26,080
Speaker 2: in the birth of my children. You are dead wrong, sir.

1888
01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:28,599
Speaker 2: I'll never get that time back.

1889
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:31,599
Speaker 1: So someone brought us up to me in my lap

1890
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:34,200
Speaker 1: chob BC. What do you think about this? They said,

1891
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:39,639
Speaker 1: not to change the length of your answer or your question.

1892
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:42,680
Speaker 1: Excuse me, but that the length of your question and

1893
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:44,439
Speaker 1: it's up to you how long you want them to be,

1894
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:47,960
Speaker 1: but they are going to be inversely proportional to how

1895
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:50,599
Speaker 1: long my answer is. In other words, if your question

1896
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:54,000
Speaker 1: is long, my answer gets to be super super short. Conversely,

1897
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:55,960
Speaker 1: if you ask me a short one, I can go along.

1898
01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:59,599
Speaker 2: Well. My knee jerk response to that is one, that's

1899
01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:03,680
Speaker 2: the bit. Two I like a little nuance to set

1900
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 2: things up. And three there's a more than fifty percent

1901
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:10,000
Speaker 2: chance at any time Luke will break the code of

1902
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:12,960
Speaker 2: the segment in terms of a you know, a good

1903
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:16,240
Speaker 2: faith answer to a decently faith question and just be like, ah,

1904
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:18,080
Speaker 2: you know, I don't even I don't you know, I don't.

1905
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:20,680
Speaker 2: I don't. I'm not gonna answer that. So sometimes I

1906
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:23,240
Speaker 2: do it, Luke. So the segment is not two minutes long.

1907
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:25,960
Speaker 2: But Luke, I will say this from people I love

1908
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:28,679
Speaker 2: and trust, including our producers and other people, they said, PC,

1909
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:31,720
Speaker 2: you got it, you gotta stop. Okay, I'll tone it

1910
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:34,280
Speaker 2: down a bit, Luke, if that means you'll actually try,

1911
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:36,280
Speaker 2: because what you put out when.

1912
01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:38,160
Speaker 1: Actually you try, I actually try.

1913
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:42,439
Speaker 2: Do you remember that performance that Great White had the

1914
01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:49,120
Speaker 2: night that the venue burnt down? Yes, no, nobody does Luke,

1915
01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:51,479
Speaker 2: because all those people died, that was like your performance

1916
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:51,720
Speaker 2: on it.

1917
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:55,360
Speaker 1: Not everyone died, many of them lived. Here's the point, though,

1918
01:29:55,439 --> 01:29:56,920
Speaker 1: this is what you need to think about when you

1919
01:29:57,040 --> 01:30:01,840
Speaker 1: craft those questions. Sometimes you ask for like a list,

1920
01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:05,639
Speaker 1: and you ask me on the fly. I'm not saying

1921
01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:08,800
Speaker 1: you can never ask list questions, but it's a little

1922
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:10,920
Speaker 1: bit easier for me to think about what's sitting at

1923
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:13,599
Speaker 1: the very top, you know, for good or bad experience

1924
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:16,400
Speaker 1: or a thing I like, rather than top three or

1925
01:30:16,479 --> 01:30:18,360
Speaker 1: top five. It takes me some time to figure what

1926
01:30:18,439 --> 01:30:20,439
Speaker 1: that is, and I can't do it very well on

1927
01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:20,720
Speaker 1: the fly.

1928
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:23,200
Speaker 2: Well, Luke, that's why you get paid the big bucks

1929
01:30:23,240 --> 01:30:24,880
Speaker 2: to do it on the fly. Because if I showed

1930
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:27,160
Speaker 2: you the plays I'm gonna call ahead of time, you

1931
01:30:27,240 --> 01:30:29,840
Speaker 2: would go, oh, I'm not answering that, and that would

1932
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:31,120
Speaker 2: break the spirit of no, no no.

1933
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:33,080
Speaker 1: But you can just say, instead of you know, your

1934
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:36,120
Speaker 1: top three songs, what was the song in high school

1935
01:30:36,479 --> 01:30:40,040
Speaker 1: that made you the most you know, embarrassingly emotional something

1936
01:30:40,240 --> 01:30:44,160
Speaker 1: like that, rather than hey, name top five County Crow songs.

1937
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:46,680
Speaker 1: You listen to it in Arby's bathroom once, Like, I

1938
01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:47,439
Speaker 1: don't fucking.

1939
01:30:47,320 --> 01:30:50,080
Speaker 2: Know, Luke, Okay, I'll tone it down. But the real

1940
01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:52,599
Speaker 2: issue here is you. I hope you know that. Okay,

1941
01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:55,960
Speaker 2: you're Something usually happens in the show at some point.

1942
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:58,160
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's triggered by your neighbor's lawnmower

1943
01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:01,879
Speaker 2: or your daughter or me saying something, but you get triggered,

1944
01:31:02,200 --> 01:31:04,360
Speaker 2: and then you're talking about your ass and you gotta shit.

1945
01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:06,519
Speaker 2: We gotta get through the show, and then it just

1946
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:08,240
Speaker 2: goes to shit. And then before you know it, Luke

1947
01:31:08,320 --> 01:31:09,640
Speaker 2: and I break up and we hate each other for

1948
01:31:09,720 --> 01:31:11,320
Speaker 2: the rest of our lives. And then you know what

1949
01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:13,439
Speaker 2: happens ten years from now, Luke, we got to meet

1950
01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:16,439
Speaker 2: in Cleveland talk over dinner and do a documentary about

1951
01:31:16,439 --> 01:31:18,679
Speaker 2: it because we're finally friends again after talking bad about

1952
01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:20,880
Speaker 2: each other publicly for years. All Right, I don't want

1953
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:22,599
Speaker 2: to go down that road with you. Although Doc five

1954
01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:24,519
Speaker 2: Luke coming out next week. It's supposed to be a

1955
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:26,400
Speaker 2: little little spicy, little spicy.

1956
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:28,200
Speaker 1: We'll see that, we'll see, we'll see.

1957
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:31,040
Speaker 2: All right, Oh, Luke. We always close Friday show with

1958
01:31:31,160 --> 01:31:33,040
Speaker 2: insulting you and telling you how you can be better.

1959
01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:36,599
Speaker 2: We also have a segment called just the Tip, Tip

1960
01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:37,200
Speaker 2: to Tip.

1961
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:39,639
Speaker 1: I still don't know the name of the segment.

1962
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:43,080
Speaker 2: Tip to tip, we go tip to tip where we

1963
01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:46,280
Speaker 2: make a recommendation, we shout something out, Luke, this is

1964
01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:48,120
Speaker 2: not my tip this week. But good god, if you're

1965
01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:50,439
Speaker 2: not watching the four part thirty for thirty of the

1966
01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:53,320
Speaker 2: eighty six Miracle mets Luke and you're not watching the

1967
01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:56,840
Speaker 2: stories of drugs and debauchery, that is as good that

1968
01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:58,040
Speaker 2: gets What was that.

1969
01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:03,280
Speaker 1: You said debauchery wrong? How did I say it like

1970
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:03,919
Speaker 1: a dumbass?

1971
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:08,080
Speaker 2: It's the way I was raised? Okay that look did

1972
01:32:08,160 --> 01:32:10,719
Speaker 2: you see did you hear I was raised?

1973
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:13,519
Speaker 1: I was raised on a sixteen game NFL season? Okay,

1974
01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:14,320
Speaker 1: go fuck itself.

1975
01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:18,679
Speaker 2: Did you hear what that man said he told that girl, Luke?

1976
01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:21,760
Speaker 2: Did you hear Doc Gooden sing? And I don't want

1977
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:23,679
Speaker 2: to give a spoiler, but did you hear Doc goodsing

1978
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:26,320
Speaker 2: in that documentary that after len Bias died of cocaine,

1979
01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:28,880
Speaker 2: he mourned it for five hours and was nervous that

1980
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:30,720
Speaker 2: it could have been him, And then he picked up

1981
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:32,559
Speaker 2: the phone for his drug dealer and was like, get

1982
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:35,120
Speaker 2: me the len Bias stuff. And he basically did that

1983
01:32:35,160 --> 01:32:36,599
Speaker 2: every day for the nineteen eighty sixties.

1984
01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:37,320
Speaker 1: I'm not seeing this.

1985
01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:39,040
Speaker 2: That was that was tough to see, Luke. That was

1986
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:41,559
Speaker 2: that was tough to see. It's good theater. All right, Luke,

1987
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:43,559
Speaker 2: how about you go first, because I'm hosting this week.

1988
01:32:44,240 --> 01:32:47,640
Speaker 1: What's your tip? Well, as everyone knows, you know, the

1989
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:52,120
Speaker 1: pandemic was not kind to your boys figure. So I've

1990
01:32:52,120 --> 01:32:56,200
Speaker 1: been steadily working on on everything my physical health and

1991
01:32:56,520 --> 01:32:58,800
Speaker 1: and uh and everything in between. And one of the

1992
01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:00,320
Speaker 1: ways I've been trying to fix that as from the

1993
01:33:00,360 --> 01:33:03,639
Speaker 1: ground up, where are all my imbalances, where's everything that's

1994
01:33:03,720 --> 01:33:05,920
Speaker 1: gone wrong after forty two years? How do I fix it?

1995
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:08,760
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm not there yet. It's gonna be

1996
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:10,240
Speaker 1: a long process. But one of the things I've been

1997
01:33:10,280 --> 01:33:12,720
Speaker 1: really working on is, believe it or not, I've got

1998
01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:15,160
Speaker 1: knee problems and those seem to be heavily related to

1999
01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:16,960
Speaker 1: foot problems. So I've been working on foot health. And

2000
01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:18,680
Speaker 1: I know this sounds kind of boring, but hear me

2001
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:20,560
Speaker 1: out for just a second, because I really feel like

2002
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:23,240
Speaker 1: I turned a corner with this. I started wearing shoes.

2003
01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:25,760
Speaker 1: They're not pretty, they're not great looking, but these are

2004
01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:28,400
Speaker 1: called Vivo and if you look at them, the toe

2005
01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:31,000
Speaker 1: box is enormous, and I'll flip it around here as

2006
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:33,920
Speaker 1: you can see, it's enormous on purpose. And the whole

2007
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:37,920
Speaker 1: idea is so that your toes in normal tennis shoes,

2008
01:33:37,960 --> 01:33:40,840
Speaker 1: they get shoved together. It's not natural and it causes

2009
01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:44,360
Speaker 1: all kinds of problems, bunions, hammer toes, it can cause imbalances.

2010
01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:46,200
Speaker 1: And actually one of the reasons I think I dislocated

2011
01:33:46,240 --> 01:33:48,400
Speaker 1: with my toes in jiu jitsu was because I had

2012
01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:50,200
Speaker 1: all these problems. When I was pushing off, they were

2013
01:33:50,240 --> 01:33:53,599
Speaker 1: not in alignment. Wearing these has begun display them more,

2014
01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:55,400
Speaker 1: and the more they display, the better your balance, the

2015
01:33:55,439 --> 01:33:58,400
Speaker 1: better your mobility, the better your control, the stronger your

2016
01:33:58,439 --> 01:34:01,519
Speaker 1: feet get. That's the whole idea is strengthen your feet,

2017
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:03,080
Speaker 1: not just from the wide toe box, but from the

2018
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:05,479
Speaker 1: fact that the other's the more cushion your shoe has,

2019
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:08,280
Speaker 1: the less you're a work your foot is actually doing

2020
01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:10,439
Speaker 1: in the weaker it becomes okay. But this is not

2021
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:12,479
Speaker 1: about the shoe. One of the things I've been working

2022
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:14,960
Speaker 1: on to help is this little do hickey. It looks

2023
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:17,840
Speaker 1: like a shrimp or a jellyfish or something. It's a

2024
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:21,200
Speaker 1: toe separator. It actually puts your toes into the proper

2025
01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:23,479
Speaker 1: alignment when you wear it. I've been wearing these for

2026
01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:27,200
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks now and I've noticed an immediate

2027
01:34:27,479 --> 01:34:30,960
Speaker 1: and immediate benefit with this. Listen, I'm not a pediatrist.

2028
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:34,400
Speaker 1: Talk to your doctor. Don't just run out and buy stuff.

2029
01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:36,320
Speaker 1: But if you are like me and you look down

2030
01:34:36,680 --> 01:34:39,559
Speaker 1: and your big toes go this way into the other toes,

2031
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:43,720
Speaker 1: you have imbalances, and those potentially everyone's different, but if

2032
01:34:43,720 --> 01:34:46,960
Speaker 1: you're like me, they have caused problems, real health problems.

2033
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:49,600
Speaker 1: I want to be around BC for my daughter like you,

2034
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:51,840
Speaker 1: when she goes up to play basketball. I want to

2035
01:34:51,880 --> 01:34:54,280
Speaker 1: be in my late forties still fucking dunking on her

2036
01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:56,600
Speaker 1: and making her cry like a good dad should. But

2037
01:34:56,720 --> 01:34:58,799
Speaker 1: I'm not going to get there if I don't align

2038
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:00,960
Speaker 1: my health in the way that I need. If you've

2039
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:04,519
Speaker 1: got questions about it, go to my foot function on

2040
01:35:04,640 --> 01:35:07,120
Speaker 1: Instagram or they have a website as well. They explain

2041
01:35:07,240 --> 01:35:10,200
Speaker 1: all the mechanics behind this. But these little things here,

2042
01:35:10,280 --> 01:35:13,760
Speaker 1: there were fifteen bucks, and I cannot believe how much

2043
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:19,760
Speaker 1: better I feel, walking, exercising, jumping, running everything. Amazing little

2044
01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:20,960
Speaker 1: piece of gear here.

2045
01:35:21,320 --> 01:35:24,040
Speaker 2: Oh Luke, I support you taking these active turns into

2046
01:35:24,080 --> 01:35:26,400
Speaker 2: being around a long time. But those when do you

2047
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:27,679
Speaker 2: wear those on your bear toes?

2048
01:35:29,360 --> 01:35:29,519
Speaker 3: Uh?

2049
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:30,000
Speaker 1: These?

2050
01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:30,840
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2051
01:35:31,240 --> 01:35:33,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't wear them with your shoes. These are

2052
01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:34,880
Speaker 1: like if you're sitting in the house or something.

2053
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:37,639
Speaker 2: Those you don't smell like shit when you take them off. Luke,

2054
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:39,639
Speaker 2: that must be a discussion. Can you wash them?

2055
01:35:39,720 --> 01:35:42,200
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, Luke, I'm gonna wash them on

2056
01:35:42,360 --> 01:35:44,559
Speaker 1: your tongue when you're asleep next week.

2057
01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:48,600
Speaker 2: Ah, Luke, like you. I'm also having a tip in

2058
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:50,599
Speaker 2: the direction of health, Luke. I had my three month

2059
01:35:50,720 --> 01:35:54,200
Speaker 2: check up after the diagnosis yesterday. Yesterday was a check

2060
01:35:54,240 --> 01:35:57,800
Speaker 2: up the diagnosis of black liver fat non alcoholic fatty

2061
01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:00,559
Speaker 2: liver disease. Luke, I got some good news recent news.

2062
01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:03,280
Speaker 2: The good news is, Luke, doctor's happy. I'm down twelve

2063
01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:06,320
Speaker 2: pounds and kept it off. My liver numbers are all

2064
01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:09,120
Speaker 2: back within the safe range.

2065
01:36:09,439 --> 01:36:09,639
Speaker 1: Luke.

2066
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:12,599
Speaker 2: They're high, but they're in the safe range. So I've

2067
01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:15,559
Speaker 2: put that three months to good use by avoiding red meat,

2068
01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:19,839
Speaker 2: fast food, greasy food, and fried food essentially all together.

2069
01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:23,280
Speaker 2: The minor problem, Luke, is that to fill that hole

2070
01:36:23,320 --> 01:36:27,439
Speaker 2: at times, my carbon take and snacking has been so

2071
01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:29,559
Speaker 2: through the roof that my cholesterol is at an all

2072
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:32,800
Speaker 2: time high. So I'm gonna work on that with exercise

2073
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:35,639
Speaker 2: five days a week. But Luke, I have been pretty

2074
01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:37,719
Speaker 2: damn good on diet. I do need to be better

2075
01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:40,760
Speaker 2: and a big helper and this, you know you may

2076
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:42,880
Speaker 2: feel this. You know you're a You're a Middle Eastern

2077
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:49,720
Speaker 2: man of origin and love, Luke. Falaffalls are the absolute shit, Luke.

2078
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:52,560
Speaker 2: And you know, some people actually believe that falafel was

2079
01:36:52,680 --> 01:36:55,960
Speaker 2: designed in India, your people, going back to the sixth century,

2080
01:36:56,240 --> 01:37:00,920
Speaker 2: although Egypt normally gets the credit. Historically, Luke, laffel balls,

2081
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:03,680
Speaker 2: whether hot or cold, right out of the package, have

2082
01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:09,280
Speaker 2: really helped mimic meat or a meatball type taste on

2083
01:37:09,400 --> 01:37:13,559
Speaker 2: top of everything from salads to all kinds of healthy

2084
01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:16,479
Speaker 2: vegetable based meals that my wife's been making so that

2085
01:37:16,600 --> 01:37:19,840
Speaker 2: my black liver doesn't explode. I am, now you know

2086
01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:23,880
Speaker 2: one with these balls, Luke, these sweaty falaffel balls. And

2087
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:27,719
Speaker 2: to some people this may be part of their everyday diet.

2088
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:30,519
Speaker 2: But if you're a gas station raccoon eat and lover

2089
01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:33,000
Speaker 2: like me, Luke, you ain't ever put a falaffel ball

2090
01:37:33,040 --> 01:37:35,680
Speaker 2: anywhere near your mouth and this shit is uh, it's

2091
01:37:35,720 --> 01:37:37,240
Speaker 2: my new it's my new love affair, Luke.

2092
01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:40,880
Speaker 1: Uh, Falafelo is amazing. In fact, one of my New

2093
01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:43,240
Speaker 1: York stories when I lived there was I was behind

2094
01:37:43,360 --> 01:37:46,640
Speaker 1: Natalie Portman in line at Mahmoon's in the village. For

2095
01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:48,840
Speaker 1: two bucks, they would give you a Falaffel sandwich and

2096
01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:51,960
Speaker 1: they would pour the like tahini sauce on top. It

2097
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:57,160
Speaker 1: was fucking amazing, right, just unbelievable. You know Falaffel's fried, right.

2098
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:01,560
Speaker 2: Well, Luke, it's you know, I buy healthy versions of that,

2099
01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:05,320
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Luke, you buy the it's

2100
01:38:05,439 --> 01:38:08,640
Speaker 2: just chickpeas, Luke, Okay, And it just really adds a

2101
01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:11,240
Speaker 2: you know, look, I look at the serving size. I

2102
01:38:11,280 --> 01:38:13,240
Speaker 2: look what it's offering me. I usually take half of

2103
01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:15,320
Speaker 2: what the serving size is. And I you know, it's

2104
01:38:15,320 --> 01:38:18,479
Speaker 2: an accompanyment and who trey Mont to the healthy food

2105
01:38:18,520 --> 01:38:20,559
Speaker 2: I'm trying to eat? So don't you dare, Luke, because

2106
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:23,400
Speaker 2: you may be eating some gross, greasy ass street Corner,

2107
01:38:23,479 --> 01:38:26,799
Speaker 2: New York City. Falothful as your slobbern all over Portman

2108
01:38:26,920 --> 01:38:31,360
Speaker 2: Lake in episode three, Anakin, that's dirt hole, Luke, that

2109
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:34,519
Speaker 2: lame guy that couldn't get laid until he put on

2110
01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:38,800
Speaker 2: the black helmet, believe me. But I'm eating the healthy stuff, Luke,

2111
01:38:38,840 --> 01:38:40,800
Speaker 2: because I want to be here. I want to have

2112
01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:42,920
Speaker 2: a liver. I want to have a life, Okay, Luke,

2113
01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:44,880
Speaker 2: So yeah, thank you.

2114
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:47,840
Speaker 1: BC and I were literally BC and I this is

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Speaker 1: a true story. We were texting yesterday about how much

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Speaker 1: we think Anakin Skywalker is a pussy ass bitch and

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Speaker 1: we hate him, hate him like.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know how once he put on the

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Speaker 2: helmet that he became that much of a bad Okay, obviously, Palpatine,

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Speaker 2: you know, put the put the put the Satanism in him,

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Speaker 2: with with that, with the fire fingers, Luke, But man,

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Speaker 2: Anakin is an old bitch, right, I mean, he's the worst.

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Speaker 1: He's such a fucking hoe. He I thought, Luke Skywalker

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Speaker 1: was the whiniest bitch in the universe. It turns out

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Speaker 1: his dad was. Can you believe that Anakin? Wow, what

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Speaker 1: a fucking chump. How did that guy turn to the

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Speaker 1: coolest character in Star Wars. It's a lie. It's a

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Speaker 1: it's a fucking lie. Now, Darth Vader to me, P's

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Speaker 1: sitting down. Fuck him. I don't like him anymore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the the offensive comments that you wrote

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01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:35,360
Speaker 2: about him cannot be uttered in public, Luke, those texts

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Speaker 2: that I have, Yeah, you lose your job instantly.

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Speaker 1: I think that's probably accurate.

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Speaker 2: Yes, all right, Luke, I think we did a decent

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Speaker 2: show after two horrific ones in which people vowed to

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Speaker 2: never watch this show again. But you know whatever. All right,

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Speaker 2: my name is Brian Campbell. That's Luke Thomas. Uh. Please

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Speaker 2: buy our merch and get ready for Monday, when Luke

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Speaker 2: and I returned to the Bomb Shelter, the Bomb Diggity,

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Speaker 2: we will have a special launch of new merch products

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Speaker 2: that you're gonna want to check out. Can also buy

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Speaker 2: our new stuff right now now, Luke, is there some

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Speaker 2: kind of code I'm supposed to be talking about? Some

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Speaker 2: kind of like or did I blow that? I probably

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01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:05,640
Speaker 2: blew that.

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Speaker 1: I don't, I don't, I don't know. Oh, we got

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Speaker 1: Live ten l I v E. And then the number

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Speaker 1: one zero Live ten crap. I blew it.

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Speaker 2: That was supposed to be the ten percent off during

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Speaker 2: this live show. Luke, maybe we'll exse It's okay.

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Speaker 1: They put it, they said, the producers were saying, they

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Speaker 1: put it in the chat, So it's fine, okay, okay.

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Speaker 2: Morning Combat. Luke, what else you got for the people?

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Speaker 2: As we head into another week two of the NFL

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Speaker 2: and DK and MK coming together.

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Speaker 1: Well, my I think I did pick the Washington football

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Speaker 1: team to beat the Giants, even though it was completely

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Speaker 1: ridiculous how they did it. Here's my next bet. Well,

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Speaker 1: I guess for all of week two. See, I've already

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Speaker 1: done my week two bit. For week three, it's that

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Speaker 1: the bills are gonna give.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's not week three, Luke.

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Speaker 1: This is weekly. I know, I'm just I'm just getting

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Speaker 1: in front of it. I'm just get in front of it.

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Speaker 2: BC.

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Speaker 1: The Buffalo Bills are gonna annihilate the Washington football team.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be ugly. You can get ready for that.

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Speaker 2: But how you can get ready for Week two, of course,

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Speaker 2: is downloading the Draft Kings Sportsbook app. Of course, the

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Speaker 2: and you get two hundred dollars of free bets. Look,

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Speaker 2: that's an incredible deal. So here's what I'm gonna tell

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Speaker 2: you to put all two hundred on. We got Patriots

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Speaker 2: at Jets. It's a big New England Tri State super

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Speaker 2: Bowl this weekend. You got the damn Pats as about

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Speaker 2: a touchdown favorite Luke, but these wiry ass lame Jets

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Speaker 2: are at home. Okay, why not take a flyer? When not?

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Speaker 2: Put all two hundred on the Jets on those green

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Speaker 2: ship bags. Come back later, spend that money with bet.

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Speaker 2: We'll party together. It's my guarantee.

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Speaker 1: All right. Also, you got bills that you got. There's

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Speaker 1: some good games this week, by the way, Texans and

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Speaker 1: Browns is kind of interesting. Saints and Panthers, Rams and Colts.

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Speaker 1: I like all these Buccaneers are probably gonna wash the Falcons,

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Speaker 1: and so you can go that one. And I think here,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you can bet this ex on

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Speaker 1: the sports book at all, but if they bring in

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Speaker 1: Justin Fields for the Bears, they're gonna wipe the floor

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Speaker 1: with the Bengals too, so that should be interesting as well.

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Speaker 2: Well. The Luke lock Bed of the week put all

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Speaker 2: two hundred on Justin Fields. Luke Betting, my editor of

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Speaker 2: Brandon Y CBS Sports, tells me oct is when Connecticut

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Speaker 2: will turn on the apps and the machines and I

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Speaker 2: can legally get on DraftKings sports book in my home

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Speaker 2: state here and bet my mortgage on uh on whoever's

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Speaker 2: playing the WFT. So I'm excited about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And then in November we can go to Webster

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Speaker 1: Hall and go see Dying Fetus together. I'm pumped.

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Speaker 2: I already have a lot of people friends of the show,

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01:43:21,320 --> 01:43:23,160
Speaker 2: friends of mine from home that are going to be

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Speaker 2: back for that, and they're like, look, I'm going with you.

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01:43:25,560 --> 01:43:27,800
Speaker 2: We're gonna make this a thing, Like, let's do this thing, Luke,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to be in there with those people,

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Speaker 2: like with that that thing in the air, that that

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01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:34,680
Speaker 2: killing spirit in the air. I'm not into that shit. Luke.

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Speaker 2: I like seventies, you know, easy living rock.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, but you're a ho. We got time

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01:43:40,280 --> 01:43:42,880
Speaker 1: to time to you know, spruce you up a little bit,

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Speaker 1: all right, all right?

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Speaker 2: Shout out to Showtime Malco, CBS Sports gaff Minique, Sally

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Speaker 2: Al Wendling, Mikey Morms on the ones and Tuesday there.

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Speaker 2: Shout out to our great extended team get ready next

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Speaker 2: week Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday. Live shows on Monday and Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: B CNLT Back in the JC of Jersey City. Uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, it's not the most beautiful area, but it's

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Speaker 2: got a nice view of Lower Manhattan, so we'll be

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Speaker 2: enjoying that, Luke, anything else can I?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I was gonna say last week when I went

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Speaker 1: to that my friend's party in Lower Manhattan, it was

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Speaker 1: actually on the side where from Manhattan I could see

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Speaker 1: Jersey City. It looked better across the river. I'll say

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Speaker 1: that I was like, oh Jesus, he looks nice across

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Speaker 1: the river, and then you're there and you're like, oh right.

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Speaker 2: All right, shut up to Bobby Hurley and Terry Dehare

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Speaker 2: and all those great Saint Anthony's heroes there.

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Speaker 1: Hey, it turns out Rick Flair's a dirtbag. Huh what happened?

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Speaker 1: I guess there was some Uh he's trending on Twitter

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01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:39,080
Speaker 1: and I clicked it and it turns out he like

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01:44:39,200 --> 01:44:40,679
Speaker 1: sexually harassed them one years ago.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the Plane Ride of Death. There's that series

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Speaker 2: on Wescevice has that? Uh has that?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 1: What is that?

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Speaker 2: Dark Dark Side of the Ring series? Fantastic Pro Wrestling

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Speaker 2: in Depth series. Everyone knows about the Plane Ride of Death, Luke,

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Speaker 2: You can't. I don't think this many years later we

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Speaker 2: can condemn him, can we? I guess we can. People

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01:44:57,320 --> 01:44:57,800
Speaker 2: knew about that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, is there a statute of limitations on the well.

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Speaker 2: He he was wearing a robe, he took it off

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Speaker 2: and he flashed all the women and he did gross

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Speaker 2: dirtbag nineteen eighties things. Yeah. I'm not gonna sit here

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Speaker 2: in uh, but it's not new news. It just so

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01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:10,599
Speaker 2: happened that that show came out last night.

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Speaker 1: Oh I see, okay, all right.

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Speaker 2: All right, yeah, but yeah he was one hundred. Luke,

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Speaker 2: everybody in the eighties were dirt bags. I'm not clearing them,

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01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:18,120
Speaker 2: but they were.

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Speaker 1: To Luke, all right, I think that's probably right. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right.

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Speaker 2: We are also dirt bags, and we are also out