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Speaker 1: a homework to watch the defensive backs. So that's what
Speaker 1: we're gonna get into every show. We're gonna try to
Speaker 1: focus in one specific group, and today's topic defensive back.
Speaker 1: So I want to go around the table to start
Speaker 1: it off and just kind of tell me your overall
Speaker 1: opinion of the group from what we watched on what
Speaker 1: was it Sunday? Yeah, Sunday Sunday, Derek Um I was
Speaker 1: impressed and underwhelmed all at the same time. And the
Speaker 1: reason why I say that is because, and I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen like this for both the defensive backs
Speaker 1: and the wide receivers. There's some moments when you see
Speaker 1: a spectacular play that one side makes, and then the
Speaker 1: next minute you'll see a spectacular play the other side makes.
Speaker 1: I don't think either one of those groups. And we're
Speaker 1: gonna focus in on defensive backs, but I don't think
Speaker 1: there's a guy yet that has that has done just
Speaker 1: been so remarkable on the defensive side of the ball
Speaker 1: that every time he's out there, you expect him to
Speaker 1: shut somebody down. Norther, I think they have those kind
Speaker 1: of players right now in the development of where they
Speaker 1: are as players. So I think you're gonna see a
Speaker 1: little bit. Sometimes you see some wins, sometimes you see
Speaker 1: some losses. I think that's just kind of the general
Speaker 1: nature of what this defensive backgroup will be. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: best defensive backs are going to be the ones that
Speaker 1: have a good pressure up front, you know, and you're
Speaker 1: not gonna see that a lot out here, because they're
Speaker 1: not gonna just be flying to the ball and knocking
Speaker 1: the you know, the ball out of that quarterback's hands,
Speaker 1: are rushing him to make those rolls, so they're always
Speaker 1: going to be at a disadvantage. They do one on
Speaker 1: one drills, you know, wide open spaces there, and you know,
Speaker 1: they get beat a lot, so they get beat most
Speaker 1: of the time. And the one on one drill, so
Speaker 1: I think they've been okay. Um, but you're never really
Speaker 1: gonna be great unless you've got these shut down corners,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if they have that right now.
Speaker 1: I think the receivers win those battles most of the time.
Speaker 1: Anything that stood out to you during that practice, I
Speaker 1: agree with all of that. I just overall, I just
Speaker 1: feel really good about the competition at cornerback because I
Speaker 1: think you've got about five pretty solid guys. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean you don't have probably don't have a lockdown corner
Speaker 1: on this team right now, but I don't have to
Speaker 1: have one about that you don't. But I feel really
Speaker 1: good about it. Um, it's we talked about this on
Speaker 1: the last show we did, which I guess was what Saturday.
Speaker 1: Now we did a show yesterday. Yeah, I'm dumb, It's okay. Um,
Speaker 1: it's hard to judge safeties. And not only is it
Speaker 1: hard to judge safeties, but like there just aren't very
Speaker 1: many of them. Cavon Fred is not practicing right now.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's gonna practice today. But so
Speaker 1: you're looking at Jeff Heath and Xavier Woods and they're
Speaker 1: not really allowed to do the thing that makes them
Speaker 1: good at what they do. So it's hard to get
Speaker 1: a beat on that. But I feel good about the
Speaker 1: competition at cornerback. Well, let's start off and jump bright
Speaker 1: into cornerbacks in safety is a deeper issue or bigger issues,
Speaker 1: And can I say something real quick in before you
Speaker 1: jump into that, just so you guys know, we're as
Speaker 1: we've been doing throughout training camp. We have a quote
Speaker 1: question up on the mobile app, so if you guys
Speaker 1: want to interact with the show. The question is which
Speaker 1: defensive back are you most excited to see this season?
Speaker 1: And we mentioned the normal group of characters, the three cornerbacks,
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis, m Leos, we have the Bron Jones, Cheetah Bay,
Speaker 1: and then we also listed both Jeff Heath and um
Speaker 1: what's the other on Xavier Woods. So you guys go
Speaker 1: out there, let's know what you think. By the end
Speaker 1: of show, will know what the fans think of that
Speaker 1: which which player they're most excited to see in the
Speaker 1: second Gary this year? All right? Perfect? Okay, So let's
Speaker 1: get into cornerbacks. And again we've we've talked about Byron
Speaker 1: Jones moving back into position, and it's hard to determine
Speaker 1: at this point whether he's going to be great or no.
Speaker 1: We talked yesterday, we talked about him being a great
Speaker 1: practice guy last year, and so far this year he
Speaker 1: has proven to be that again. Now, is this any different?
Speaker 1: Do you see any difference compared to last year that
Speaker 1: will make you feel positive that this change was worth
Speaker 1: the move. That's a really interesting point because Byron Jones
Speaker 1: lit the world on fire at camp last year. He
Speaker 1: looked awesome, at safety, and I think everybody on this
Speaker 1: show and probably the other shows we do, would have
Speaker 1: said he was one of the two or three best
Speaker 1: performers of camp. And he wasn't bad last year by
Speaker 1: any stretch of the imagination, but he certainly wasn't the
Speaker 1: pro bowler that you might have hoped for coming out
Speaker 1: of training camp. So I try to keep that in
Speaker 1: the back of my mind with every thing I do
Speaker 1: and say. I think Byron does too, for that matter.
Speaker 1: But like I said yesterday, I just he's so long
Speaker 1: an athletic and I think that plays well to a
Speaker 1: position where I'm simplifying it, but you really only have
Speaker 1: one job, just take care of the guy across from you. Um,
Speaker 1: And like I said, I know there's more to it
Speaker 1: than that, especially with the defense Christopher Shard runs, but
Speaker 1: I think that might be more suited to his athletic ability. Yeah, Nick,
Speaker 1: yesterday you touched on Jerry Lewis and him you feel
Speaker 1: confident that he's gonna step up and win that role.
Speaker 1: But as of right now, the way that you're watching
Speaker 1: him in practice, you know, he's kind of the next
Speaker 1: guy up, you know, type of thing, and he's being
Speaker 1: left behind a little bit and Chris Richard talked about
Speaker 1: him being a special guy. Despite the he's not necessarily
Speaker 1: the physique the ideal physique for a corner he still
Speaker 1: has a lot of ability to step up. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think he's the option to the rule. And that's what
Speaker 1: UM Christopher Shards said. I you know, if the coach
Speaker 1: is gonna come here and say this is the type
Speaker 1: of guy that he likes, you know, obviously, you know
Speaker 1: you have to justify that, and guys like Byron Jones
Speaker 1: are gonna make the move. And so far he looks
Speaker 1: pretty good. I just think when the dust settles throughout
Speaker 1: the season, I think the best cornerbacks on the field
Speaker 1: are gonna be Cheeto and Jordan Lewis. I think those
Speaker 1: two guys will rise to the front whatever however that
Speaker 1: that that is and wherever that they line him up.
Speaker 1: As UM, I think by the end of this season,
Speaker 1: I think those two will be your clear cut cornerbacks.
Speaker 1: You know something really interesting I never noticed then. This
Speaker 1: was me and Brian watching practice and he pointed it
Speaker 1: out and I never paid attention to that. How long
Speaker 1: his arms are like despite his height. No, no, no, Jordan,
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis he has freaking long arms. I'd come down
Speaker 1: to almost his knees, and I guess that his team.
Speaker 1: That's why he's on this team because he does not
Speaker 1: have the height but look for but he's got the length. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that I mean, I just never actually paid attention
Speaker 1: to that, and it's impressive just to see those freaking
Speaker 1: tentacles just coming out. But let's go back real quick
Speaker 1: though to what Nick was saying about Byron Jones. I
Speaker 1: look at Byron Jones and do you at least do
Speaker 1: you at all give him a little bit more, give
Speaker 1: the possibilities of him being a really good cornerback a
Speaker 1: little more chance. When you think of it from the standpoint,
Speaker 1: he was drafted in the first round for a reason.
Speaker 1: He obviously had some amazing athletic ability. And the Cowboys
Speaker 1: since he's gotten here, they've kind of been like, Okay,
Speaker 1: play him a little bit of corner and I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna play a safety. He's gonna be a safety.
Speaker 1: But then he wasn't. That safety wasn't what he did.
Speaker 1: And so now they got him back at corner being
Speaker 1: coming into the year knowing he's gonna play cornerback, preparing
Speaker 1: to play cornerback, preparing his body to play cornerback. Do
Speaker 1: you expect that that gives him a better shot at
Speaker 1: being a quarterback, in which case he ends up being
Speaker 1: one of the better, one of the best two cornerbacks
Speaker 1: and keeps the starting job. Yeah. I mean, like he's
Speaker 1: got a shot for it. There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: And I don't think that this hasn't been one Kyle
Speaker 1: wilbur where they back and forth his rookie year, they
Speaker 1: were trying to figure out where to go with him.
Speaker 1: By his next year, he was a safety all the way,
Speaker 1: and he's safety. This is to me kind of his
Speaker 1: last shot because we didn't know he was gonna be
Speaker 1: back for a fifth year. We didn't think that he
Speaker 1: would be and he is. And you know, like it
Speaker 1: makes some sense he was getting. You know, he was
Speaker 1: a lot of piggyback rides that they're at safety, and
Speaker 1: so the physical stature to play safety really wasn't there
Speaker 1: for him. So now that you know this could be
Speaker 1: really good at corner, especially the way they're going to
Speaker 1: play him. I think if he does really well at corner,
Speaker 1: I think this goes well for him. Maybe a new
Speaker 1: contract here or somewhere, and I think it goes really
Speaker 1: well for your defensive backs coach. Because this team doesn't win,
Speaker 1: go to the playoffs, are all that stuff. There's gonna
Speaker 1: be a lot of changes, and I think he will
Speaker 1: be one of them. A lot of people will be
Speaker 1: going out, He'll be going up. I think, especially if
Speaker 1: a guy like Byron Jones, because it's a specific thing. Hey,
Speaker 1: I like bigger corner, this is I like to play
Speaker 1: him here. He's been okay here, I'm gonna move him here.
Speaker 1: Oh he did well, Well, what else can we do here? Right?
Speaker 1: And I really think Christopher Shard's the guy that is
Speaker 1: going to move up two levels, jump from position to head.
Speaker 1: And I don't, to be honest with you, whether it's
Speaker 1: here or somewhere else. I think his arrow is pointing up,
Speaker 1: and I think he certainly has that kind of potential
Speaker 1: for the future, at least all the things you hear
Speaker 1: about him and what people think about him. So I
Speaker 1: think that's I don't think that's at two levels here. Yes,
Speaker 1: I really believe that if I think that he will
Speaker 1: be if it if it doesn't happen this year, I mean,
Speaker 1: if it didn't happen at the end of the season.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he'll be the next head coach
Speaker 1: of the Cowboys. Wow. Wow, I said two levels. No,
Speaker 1: but you just said, like, I think he'll be the
Speaker 1: that's a pretty big statement coordinator. I think that's that's
Speaker 1: where I think his potential is. I really do. I think,
Speaker 1: and I think guys like the Byron Jones experiment stuff
Speaker 1: like that, it's a good way to start. I know
Speaker 1: he's never coached. I mean that derails the topic a
Speaker 1: little bit. I know, I think I think the world too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think everybody does. And I think he'll be an
Speaker 1: NFL head coach. But in this in the scenario you're postulating,
Speaker 1: you're talking about a house cleaning, and I just don't
Speaker 1: think that you hire a guy from the old staff
Speaker 1: to be your head coach. If you're cleaning house, I
Speaker 1: think you go. I mean, unlike the last time, if
Speaker 1: it's no, well, all right, you're I mean, if you
Speaker 1: want to hire, I guess you know, if it's another
Speaker 1: situation like how Jason Garrett got the job, where you're
Speaker 1: making the change, I'm thinking more like if you make
Speaker 1: the change in January, got you, I don't you know,
Speaker 1: like if you're gonna fire Jason Garrett after eight years.
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna go do something just new and
Speaker 1: completely fresh in a different direction. And blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: What's fresh he's but he's the he's the DBS cut.
Speaker 1: I just I don't see it. It's fine. I might
Speaker 1: be on I don't think to get to get more
Speaker 1: on the topic. To get more on the topic at hand,
Speaker 1: I don't think Byron Jones would have had his fifth
Speaker 1: year option exercise if Chris Rashard hadn't joined the staff
Speaker 1: to be perfect, which is why I think Byron Jones
Speaker 1: is going to start sixteen games at cornerback for this team.
Speaker 1: He might not make the Pro Bowl, but I like,
Speaker 1: you know, I brought up Brandon Carr yesterday. I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be said like, he'll be good enough to
Speaker 1: do the job. He's got his coach's confidence. And I
Speaker 1: said this yesterday too. If Jordan Lewis is going to
Speaker 1: crack the starting lineup, I think it's far more likely
Speaker 1: to be at nickelback, at least for the time being.
Speaker 1: Which you know, I'm not trying to dog the guy
Speaker 1: too hard, but Anthony Brown has had his slips here
Speaker 1: in these first couple of days of practice, which I'll
Speaker 1: be curious to see because we know Chris Rashard likes
Speaker 1: his big corners. He said, Jordan Lewis is the exception.
Speaker 1: He's been second team since the team started practicing, even
Speaker 1: back in May. So if Anthony Brown struggles and they
Speaker 1: don't give Jordan Lewis a shot, that's really curious to me,
Speaker 1: and it says a lot about how Chris ra Shard
Speaker 1: feels about what he needs to run this defense. Because
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, ahead, sorry, I was going to ask you,
Speaker 1: do you guys think that the position that Jordan Lewis
Speaker 1: is at right now, could this mess up with his development?
Speaker 1: Maybe a guy that we saw last year that was,
Speaker 1: you know, turning into something really good and was shining.
Speaker 1: Now you kind of put a step in front of
Speaker 1: him and kind of stop his progress a little bit
Speaker 1: just to give Byron Jones the chance. Do you think
Speaker 1: this affects him in a negative way? I don't because
Speaker 1: these corners play a lot. I mean, it's no different
Speaker 1: than Orlando Scandrick in his second year, and he was
Speaker 1: a guy that was like battling with Mike Jenkins and
Speaker 1: he didn't get the job. And he was a little
Speaker 1: bit of a funk for a little while, but then
Speaker 1: he played a lot. He still played and he kept
Speaker 1: moving up. And if those cornerbacks have a chip on
Speaker 1: their shoulder that I think they seem to play better
Speaker 1: with that. I don't think it's going to mess up
Speaker 1: his progress. And at this point in their career, I
Speaker 1: actually like the competition. I prefer for young cornerbacks for
Speaker 1: them to have competition then to have it's your job, like,
Speaker 1: I want them having to go out there and prove
Speaker 1: that they are the guy that should be in that position,
Speaker 1: rather than them having it kind of solidified for them
Speaker 1: as they go into training camp. So I think that's
Speaker 1: a good thing. That's what I like about this team overall.
Speaker 1: It's so young that almost every position there's competition going
Speaker 1: on because they know everything's up in the air. There
Speaker 1: aren't a lot of solidified things where we absolutely can't
Speaker 1: take this guy out of the lineup other than the
Speaker 1: offensive line, so everybody every other position, these guys can
Speaker 1: really battle and figure out where they belong. Not only that,
Speaker 1: but as a second team corner I mean Jordan Lewis
Speaker 1: is getting just as many reps as Anthony Brown. Is
Speaker 1: you know, he's doing all the one on ones, he's
Speaker 1: doing all the seven on sevens, and maybe the second
Speaker 1: team gets a few fewer reps than the first team,
Speaker 1: but like, not by this significant margin. If he's not,
Speaker 1: if he's not one of the top three corners by
Speaker 1: the time the season starts, then I worry about hindering
Speaker 1: his growth. But then again, cornerbacks play so much in
Speaker 1: today's NFL, and you've got to count on an injury
Speaker 1: somewhere at some point. So, but thinking about it and
Speaker 1: about it, thinking about it from that standpoint of let's
Speaker 1: assume that Byron plays the whole season. Let's assume Byron
Speaker 1: has a really good season, then you do have to
Speaker 1: make a decision because if Byron's contracts up, but he
Speaker 1: had a really great season and you believe in where
Speaker 1: he's going, contracts not up though, Well, if it gets
Speaker 1: to the point where the Cowboys gonna have to make
Speaker 1: a decision on his contract right at the end of
Speaker 1: this year, do they not have to make they already
Speaker 1: made that decision. Chris Richard was like, we're re upping them,
Speaker 1: so the fifth years, not this year, it's next year.
Speaker 1: So they got him for two years yeah, the fourth year,
Speaker 1: So does that become again the question I still think
Speaker 1: still remains. Does that then become a little bit of
Speaker 1: a hindrance to Jordan if you get into a sect
Speaker 1: another year or Jordan doesn't make the starting lineup? Could
Speaker 1: does that affect his development? Could? I don't, But you know,
Speaker 1: if Byron plays at the level they want him too,
Speaker 1: it'll be a nice problem to have. I mean, having
Speaker 1: too many corners is not a problem having exactly Yeah, exactly. Okay, Well,
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Speaker 1: got done discussing cornerback and now we're gonna jump writing
Speaker 1: to safety, one of my favorite topics because it's one
Speaker 1: of the most upsettings. Still, Yeah, I can't do this anymore.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. We've beaten it to death. Amber. Oh, we've
Speaker 1: talked about it over and over and over again, but hey,
Speaker 1: the problem is still there, so I guess we just
Speaker 1: have to keep talking about it. You raise a valid point,
Speaker 1: So as of right Nowaday, if you mentioned over and
Speaker 1: over how hard and difficult it is to evaluate some
Speaker 1: of these safeties out here. But at this point, and
Speaker 1: we we've heard the Cowboys talk about the possibility, if
Speaker 1: needed down the line, to move Cheeto to safety, and
Speaker 1: that's something that we've all come down to an agreement
Speaker 1: that we don't like that idea, right, I think Nick,
Speaker 1: does you do? Nick? I mean, I think he's I
Speaker 1: think he's the best corner you've got, and I think
Speaker 1: that he could be really good there and you need
Speaker 1: a great corner. Um. If this whole thing about what
Speaker 1: do we pay Byron and what about Jordan Lewis all
Speaker 1: this stuff, if that really is still happening in your
Speaker 1: safety's not doing well, then I can kind of see it.
Speaker 1: I just doubt that that's going to be the case.
Speaker 1: But if you have problems at safety, then then you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to move somebody over there. Is it Byron?
Speaker 1: Is it Cheeto? I think you move somebody or you
Speaker 1: trade for one if there's one available. I'm trying to yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to keep Cheeto right where he is. Hopefully
Speaker 1: Kavon Frasier can get back on the field quickly. I mean,
Speaker 1: if if it's a blood disorder. It's you know, it's
Speaker 1: not a hamstring. Take all the time you need figuring
Speaker 1: that out. But M but no, yeah, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't want to do that. And so hopefully we see
Speaker 1: as much of these three guys. But if it's not
Speaker 1: going to be a blockbuster deal like you know, you
Speaker 1: know who, and they clearly, for whatever reason, they don't
Speaker 1: seem interested in signing a guy like Kenny Vaccaro, Trey
Speaker 1: Boston's off the market. Finally, that seems like a type
Speaker 1: of situation where maybe you d a late round pick
Speaker 1: or a surplus player for a veteran, you know, when
Speaker 1: you make those roster cuts that happens every year. They've
Speaker 1: done it for tight ends and cornerbacks and d linemen
Speaker 1: in the past, and they did it for a safety
Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen. Actually also, um, you know that's something
Speaker 1: that I you know, maybe you bolster your depth that way.
Speaker 1: And the beauty of that strategy is they get to
Speaker 1: see what these other guys can do. I think they
Speaker 1: are legitimately interested in seeing if they have enough with
Speaker 1: Jeff Heath and Xavier Rhodes and whenever cornerback for them
Speaker 1: like a very good cornerback, very very good, Xavier Woods,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, and then yeah, and then even Cavan when
Speaker 1: he comes back. I think they're interested in seeing what
Speaker 1: they have um and that gives them the ability to
Speaker 1: kind of go through camp, see what those guys can do,
Speaker 1: and then they can better address what they think the
Speaker 1: option should be. If they're gonna look outside, because they'll
Speaker 1: know we need a guy just for depth, or we
Speaker 1: need a guy to come in here and be a starter,
Speaker 1: they'll have a little more understanding of that, I think.
Speaker 1: So let's say they they do feel comfortable at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the season with what they have right now,
Speaker 1: and they go in, At what point does it become
Speaker 1: long enough for them? Let's say they're not doing great,
Speaker 1: what is the timeline that you would estimate for them
Speaker 1: to actually say, Okay, hold on, guys, we need to
Speaker 1: make a move here and get someone to come in
Speaker 1: and actually help at the position, trade deadline and whatever.
Speaker 1: That is October maybe, honestly, and okay, maybe it just
Speaker 1: depends its week. It's week six I think is. But
Speaker 1: like I said, it's it's not just the safety issue,
Speaker 1: it's the whole team. It's this team good enough to
Speaker 1: go and just fix a problem or and to go
Speaker 1: into next year's draft picks by doing that, or do
Speaker 1: you just say, you know what, we got issues there,
Speaker 1: we got issues over here, We're going to have issues
Speaker 1: and you know, and and and kind of from that standpoint,
Speaker 1: I mean, I could see Jason Garrett because like we've said,
Speaker 1: I mean, if they don't do well, then then there's
Speaker 1: gonna be big changes at the end of the season.
Speaker 1: So I think you, you know, you go with every
Speaker 1: for everything that you can. I mean, you're trying to
Speaker 1: see right now if these safeties are good enough. But
Speaker 1: I bet you your timeline is probably not even into
Speaker 1: the season. I bet a couple of weeks here, a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks of camp, and then you're like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm just and for the I mean, like it's hard
Speaker 1: for me to evaluate, but the early returns on n
Speaker 1: Xavier seemed very positive. I had I had a conversation
Speaker 1: in the cafeteria last night with somebody who's like, his
Speaker 1: instincts are off the charts. He's he knows exactly where
Speaker 1: to be, he knows exactly what he's doing out there,
Speaker 1: which that's great to hear. But the thing that worries
Speaker 1: me is it's it's thudding up. You know, this isn't football,
Speaker 1: and it's not another team that's scheming against you. So
Speaker 1: I wonder, I mean, if Xavier could be great all
Speaker 1: the way through. And I hate to continually doubt the guy,
Speaker 1: but when when the ammunition is live, does it change?
Speaker 1: And if it does, what do you do? Because I've
Speaker 1: said it more times than I can count, it's the
Speaker 1: only position where they haven't really tried to fortify themselves,
Speaker 1: and that worries. But you believed in this gay when
Speaker 1: they were drafting him. You believed wholeheartedly in him so
Speaker 1: and I think they did too. So obviously they drafted him,
Speaker 1: so at some point you got to figure out if
Speaker 1: he can do it right. Yeah, but you know, it's
Speaker 1: kind of like riding a bike with training wheels as
Speaker 1: opposed to without. It's sure would be nice to have
Speaker 1: a backup plan, you know. You know the thing about
Speaker 1: Woods is that I maybe I'm just greedy. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you made the trade to get to get Earl Thomas,
Speaker 1: then David Woods would still have a really big role
Speaker 1: because he is a unique player that can actually play
Speaker 1: a slot corner like he can do some things in
Speaker 1: your Nickel packages. I mean, maybe him and Heath rotates
Speaker 1: some things. Heath is still, you know, trying to solidify
Speaker 1: himself as a starter. Just give me the six time
Speaker 1: pro bowler. I'll take him, okay, because we need him,
Speaker 1: and then we'll figure out where to put woods in
Speaker 1: Heath and all that stuff. But you've got a guy
Speaker 1: that doesn't want to be over there. He wants to
Speaker 1: be over here. He's really, really good, and he wants
Speaker 1: to play here for years to come. I think the
Speaker 1: far more likely scenario is, uh, the Saturday before the season, now,
Speaker 1: actually not the Saturday. The Saturday before the season, they'll
Speaker 1: cut the roster down to fifty three. They'll cut it down.
Speaker 1: He'll cut it. They literally they'll cut it to fifty three,
Speaker 1: and some poor guy will be like, yeah, cowboy Sunday morning.
Speaker 1: Uh You'll it'll be You'll they'll trade first, and it'll
Speaker 1: be you'll be like, oh yeah, I know that guy.
Speaker 1: What Oh okay, he all right, he did some stuff
Speaker 1: and he'll be your fourth safety. That's what I think is.
Speaker 1: It's not that guy. No, no, no, no no, no no.
Speaker 1: It'll be like, oh yeah, okay, like he remember he
Speaker 1: played he played for the Packers for a couple of years. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, and it's not gonna get you excited, but
Speaker 1: you'll be like, well he's played yeah, because when you
Speaker 1: start Broadney Pool, when you see exact same thing they
Speaker 1: did last year with Ben ben haben Wickery, the exact
Speaker 1: same thing, you said, oh he picked off Romo on
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving a couple of years go all right, cool, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think when you start thinking about this thing, it
Speaker 1: just makes more sense that I just I'm resigned to
Speaker 1: the fact that that Earl Thomas thing isn't happening this
Speaker 1: year because think about it like this, if, like you said, Nick,
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to be there, he wants to be here,
Speaker 1: right well, Cowboys know that, so why give up anything
Speaker 1: for him this year? He's going to be a free
Speaker 1: agent next year. So one more year, you take a year,
Speaker 1: let's see what these safeties can do, and you get
Speaker 1: to see what they can do in in live games,
Speaker 1: and then you know kind of whether you need to
Speaker 1: go out and get and spend the money on him,
Speaker 1: because that's the other thing. If if they if they
Speaker 1: go through this season and they feel really good about
Speaker 1: where Xavier Rhodes is woods, I'm sorry Xavier Woods. Why
Speaker 1: do you keep doing that? If they feel really good
Speaker 1: about where Xavier Woods is, then they don't need to
Speaker 1: go out and spend the money that it would take.
Speaker 1: That's a good pampering here because we're hitting everybody. We're
Speaker 1: getting everybody from around the dail. He's on like an
Speaker 1: eight year deal that everybody over there. That's a good point.
Speaker 1: If people's jobs were not in the line, if this
Speaker 1: didn't matter as much. But the person that's making the decision,
Speaker 1: his job is not on the line. This job ain't
Speaker 1: going anywhere, right, Stephen ain't going anywhere. Jerry ain't going anywhere.
Speaker 1: So they can make that decision and say when it
Speaker 1: comes personnel, they make the personnel decisions. So when it
Speaker 1: comes to that, they can decide, hey, we're gonna we're
Speaker 1: gonna hold on this and we'll see what happens. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, you just have to wonder, does he let's
Speaker 1: say that you're waiting until next year, is Earl Thomlin
Speaker 1: is going to resign with the team that he's on. Maybe,
Speaker 1: but what again? What you know is he has said
Speaker 1: he wants to be here. He might like Philly, he
Speaker 1: might get all that, but he has said, come get me.
Speaker 1: He walked in the locker room. He has made it
Speaker 1: clear I want to be a Cowboy. So in that
Speaker 1: kind of instance, like they have every reason to believe
Speaker 1: if he's a free agent, they got they at least
Speaker 1: got the inside track to be able to get his services. Right. Maybe,
Speaker 1: but let's it's easy to say that until somebody's on
Speaker 1: the open market. True now, but I think that I
Speaker 1: think they would feel pretty good about their ability to
Speaker 1: be able to woo him. And then wonder, I wonder
Speaker 1: what it would take. I wonder what it would take
Speaker 1: if the phone call was made right now, Like, what
Speaker 1: would it take? Second round? Pick? That's it, second round
Speaker 1: for next year. I just don't think the Cowboys would
Speaker 1: do that, And at this point, I don't know that
Speaker 1: they have to. Yeah, ask A J. Smith, Marcus Lawrence keeping,
Speaker 1: I know. That's all I got. That's all I got. Listen, listen,
Speaker 1: You're gonna go all the way to Sean Lee and
Speaker 1: I just skip Bruce Carter. That's like the best I
Speaker 1: can do. So I threw my best one out there
Speaker 1: at the beginning. So well, I think it's a two
Speaker 1: and a six, two and a six. I didn't get
Speaker 1: to give something else two and six. I just think
Speaker 1: I don't even know if they were ready to give
Speaker 1: it two, So tell me you gotta give it two
Speaker 1: and a six. I'm sorry, I don't see that happening.
Speaker 1: Here's what I think. The Cowboys brain trust is gonna
Speaker 1: be sold or already is sold on Xavier Woods and
Speaker 1: they might not wrote was okay, let's don't try to
Speaker 1: throw me off. They might be right and they might
Speaker 1: be wrong, but like I like, nothing is going to
Speaker 1: happen in the next four weeks that's going to dissuade them,
Speaker 1: That's what. And I'm giving Xavier credit for that. He's
Speaker 1: going to play well enough that they're gonna say we
Speaker 1: got this figure out. And they might be right. They
Speaker 1: might be wrong too, but I think that's what's going
Speaker 1: to happen. Now. That brings me to the next question.
Speaker 1: I know we have the preseason games and that's still
Speaker 1: not really seen your main guys play. But is it
Speaker 1: concerning that we see some of these guys that aren't
Speaker 1: necessarily able to go out and hit hard like real football,
Speaker 1: but go up against receivers that not necessarily our big
Speaker 1: names and have not been proven yet. Now, how do
Speaker 1: you really evaluate their level going up against the guys
Speaker 1: that we have right now who do have talent and
Speaker 1: have been shining so far, but are now you're, you know, flashy,
Speaker 1: big star players. I don't think it does happen here,
Speaker 1: honestly for that reason alone. I think that Woods and
Speaker 1: Heath will play well and do some good things, you know,
Speaker 1: But go out to San Francisco or to go to
Speaker 1: the next preseason game and do some things there, good
Speaker 1: or bad, and that's where people will start making more
Speaker 1: decisions on oh man, maybe they're not very good, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean I don't, or maybe they are really good.
Speaker 1: I just think it's hard to do it out here
Speaker 1: because if it's if great things happened. We say it
Speaker 1: all the time. If great things are happening for the defense,
Speaker 1: you know, and they're covering up these tight ends, then
Speaker 1: the first thing we're gonna hear is they need to
Speaker 1: get new tight ends, because the tight ends can beat these.
Speaker 1: You know. It's just the way it is in practice.
Speaker 1: It's a great, great example from I guess it was
Speaker 1: probably Sunday's practice, Zeke. They had a hell of a
Speaker 1: play on a screen where Connor and Travis and um
Speaker 1: lyall all got out in space, and I mean Zeke
Speaker 1: picked up big yardage, and he would have picked up
Speaker 1: big yardage regardless. But Xavier came from deep in the field,
Speaker 1: took a great angle, was right in position, and if
Speaker 1: it had been live ball, he would have lit Zeke
Speaker 1: up like I mean it was you can watch it
Speaker 1: on video. It was there. But he didn't. And so
Speaker 1: the your your mental concept of the play changes completely
Speaker 1: because if if Xavier Woods just decletes Zeke on the sideline,
Speaker 1: You're like, what a badass play, But he didn't, so
Speaker 1: you're like, man, Zeke's awesome and the defense didn't know
Speaker 1: what the hell they were doing here. Well, that would
Speaker 1: have been our first fight of camp. Oh, no doubt,
Speaker 1: which he no the record, do not declete the star running, Yeah,
Speaker 1: do not delete that all takes right there. Just know
Speaker 1: he makes a hit like that. Yeah, you know, James
Speaker 1: Washington used to do that for years back in the nineties.
Speaker 1: He caused fights by knocking out Alvin Harper and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. But but you know, sometimes the defense needs
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. You don't want to hurt any anybody,
Speaker 1: but you know, they've been getting beat pretty good on
Speaker 1: these one on ones and even seven on sevens, and
Speaker 1: so they need somebody to kind of step up that way.
Speaker 1: You don't you don't want to hurt anyone, but I
Speaker 1: need to set the tunnel. Stay away from twenty one. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: don't don't touch hit somebody else like Rob Smith hit
Speaker 1: Rob Smith. Don't touch any part of two one four
Speaker 1: exactly one. Right. In that case, you being a guy
Speaker 1: that's looking at you know, watching these players here at
Speaker 1: training camp and evaluating or trying to evaluate them the
Speaker 1: best way that you possibly can. What is something that
Speaker 1: you look for to give you some white of confidence that, Okay,
Speaker 1: this guy is looking good. That's a good point. And
Speaker 1: that's what Dave was saying by talking to somebody over
Speaker 1: there about you know, the guy's aware, he knows what's
Speaker 1: going on, he can see the stuff happening. Be in
Speaker 1: position to hit Zeke, be in position. Don't be way
Speaker 1: over here and all you would have missed him be
Speaker 1: there and and they you know, make it where. Okay,
Speaker 1: we couldn't hit right there, but you were there to
Speaker 1: make the play. I assume you're going to make the play.
Speaker 1: You saw the TI didn't go in motion here, and
Speaker 1: you're the one that yelled to get the linebacker over here,
Speaker 1: and Jeff moved here and you moved to the back.
Speaker 1: Be just recognize things like that. That's the start. That's
Speaker 1: the best you can really do out here. It plays
Speaker 1: on the ball, if it's up in the air. You
Speaker 1: know that kind of stuff. I also note with Jones,
Speaker 1: one of the things I noticed in both the two
Speaker 1: big plays he's had out here was that in both
Speaker 1: situations he was trailing the receiver and he had the
Speaker 1: ability to catch up and then to be able to
Speaker 1: get in position and go up and in one instance,
Speaker 1: actually get the ball, which I know if a lot
Speaker 1: of fans are like light ball is underthrown, guess what.
Speaker 1: There are a ton of underthrown balls in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Not every time cornerbacks come down with the ball. The
Speaker 1: ability to actually track it, go up and get it
Speaker 1: and then come down with the catch. That still is
Speaker 1: something that's valuable, and that that's the difference between batting
Speaker 1: a ball down and getting an interception, and that's a
Speaker 1: huge difference. A turnover means everything. So when you can
Speaker 1: see those kinds of skills, I think that's the kind
Speaker 1: of stuff I'm looking for, is how do they how
Speaker 1: are they playing are they are they able to when
Speaker 1: they get beat? Are they able to catch up? Are
Speaker 1: they able to run from behind a receiver and still
Speaker 1: be able to get back into position? You know, those
Speaker 1: are the kinds of things that will tell you a
Speaker 1: lot about once you get into the regular season, when
Speaker 1: it's going in and you actually are hitting. Those things
Speaker 1: don't go away. Your ability to be able to keep
Speaker 1: up with receiver to not get beat. I think that
Speaker 1: still matters, right right. Yeah. So a guy that some
Speaker 1: people love and some people hate Jeff Heath, And we've
Speaker 1: talked about him since he was a big hype last
Speaker 1: year at training camp. Because find me somebody who hates
Speaker 1: Jeff here, I hate them. There are people I hate.
Speaker 1: If you hate Jeff Heath, I hate you. There's a
Speaker 1: handful of people that do hate Jeff Heath. But, um,
Speaker 1: how is like the idea of okay, okay, sorry whatever, okay,
Speaker 1: can I finish, finish, finish Anyways, he turns out to
Speaker 1: be one of the more veteran guys here on the team.
Speaker 1: What has been his role right now? And how is
Speaker 1: he looking out there on the field thus far? He
Speaker 1: looks pretty good. Um, I think that he ringing endorsement. Now,
Speaker 1: I think I think he looks good. I noticed some
Speaker 1: stuff early, like the first day or two, just him
Speaker 1: being a little bit more vocal than I've heard out
Speaker 1: of the past from him. Um, and that's that's something
Speaker 1: I guess that that's definitely needed, uh in this secondary,
Speaker 1: you know, with not having a lot of veteran voices
Speaker 1: out there. So um. But but yeah, he's looked he's
Speaker 1: looked good. I mean, I haven't nothing stood out, but
Speaker 1: you know, he's party, he's he just he reminds me
Speaker 1: of Barry Church. Like he's not he's not a flashy player,
Speaker 1: Like he's not he's not gonna flash doing the type
Speaker 1: of stuff that you have to do out here, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like fitting in the run game. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, being that last line of defense. Like he's
Speaker 1: he's not Byron Jones. He's not going up to bat
Speaker 1: that type of stuff away. Um. And he's he's deceptively fast,
Speaker 1: but he's he just doesn't have that freakish type of
Speaker 1: athleticism like a Byron Jones that just flashes to you
Speaker 1: in a situation like this. That's the thing I keep
Speaker 1: saying over and over again is if Jeff Heath is
Speaker 1: the best player in your secondary, you're probably in trouble.
Speaker 1: But if he's the worst player in your secondary, your
Speaker 1: secondary is probably pretty good. Which I think you could
Speaker 1: have said the same thing about Barry Church. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: And so that's kind of what I look at. It
Speaker 1: is that he's surrounded by more talented guys, which can
Speaker 1: only help him. And he has not jumped out at
Speaker 1: me one time since we've been out here, but I
Speaker 1: don't really expect him to. Yeah, And the fact of
Speaker 1: the matter is, I actually think he's a better playmaker
Speaker 1: than than Barry Church. He's got a better nose for
Speaker 1: the Yeah, he's the kind of guy, like you say,
Speaker 1: it doesn't show all the time out here, but you
Speaker 1: get him in game situations. Yeah, And he seems to
Speaker 1: just kind of be around the ball and the things
Speaker 1: just kind of happen. So you say what you want
Speaker 1: about Jeff Feith, but I'd be hard pressed to find
Speaker 1: another player in this secondary over the last few years
Speaker 1: that's made as many plays that he has really good
Speaker 1: instinct with all your eyes, all you want, He's let
Speaker 1: the team and picks three years in a row. Now,
Speaker 1: maybe that's an indictment on the rest of the team
Speaker 1: a little bit. But he's kind of goes to your
Speaker 1: theory of if he's your best player, is probably not great.
Speaker 1: But if he's your worst player, if you go back
Speaker 1: and and I've talked to him about this, if you
Speaker 1: go back and you ask anybody, ask the fans what
Speaker 1: they don't like about him, name, name of play that
Speaker 1: they didn't like, it's always stuff that happened six years
Speaker 1: his rookie year, and it's three players, and every one
Speaker 1: of those players that made a play over him have
Speaker 1: has been called a super freak in the NFL. Megatron
Speaker 1: jumped over him, Oh my god. Uh, Adrian Peterson carried
Speaker 1: him to the end zone, and Jimmy Graham beat him
Speaker 1: on a couple of plays that game as well. I mean,
Speaker 1: rookie year, and I'm not trying to make excuses for him,
Speaker 1: but I mean that's what people stay out. Well, those
Speaker 1: guys have made a career and some of them are
Speaker 1: going to be in Canton because of that, you know,
Speaker 1: and because that's what they did. Two of the three
Speaker 1: will yeah, huh. Two of the three, no, that's I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But two of the three we know, definitely will be
Speaker 1: in in in cant. Graham's not done and he's got
Speaker 1: that's my point, and got a Rodgers. We know right
Speaker 1: now two of three will be in maybe a third one,
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Speaker 1: were saying that you've been noticing the deep ball a
Speaker 1: lot more um this year in camp. And I guess
Speaker 1: the question that we always hear about Dak is the
Speaker 1: completion ratio? Is he completing some of those deep balls?
Speaker 1: And then my next question is for everybody, we know
Speaker 1: our old line is probably our best group we're out
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Speaker 1: Thanks guys, all right, thank you. The deep ball, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think there's been some of that, um, some completions
Speaker 1: there and not not all. I mean it's not a
Speaker 1: high complete uh you know, completed pass, but you know
Speaker 1: you can still have it can still be effective just
Speaker 1: by throwing it. That can sometimes you can get a
Speaker 1: past interference there sometimes and just just to move people
Speaker 1: back when you have zeke and you know you're gonna
Speaker 1: run the ball, just that threat of knowing that we
Speaker 1: will go deep, you can you can have some some
Speaker 1: benefits there and you don't have to complete every one
Speaker 1: of them. But yes, it would be nice to get
Speaker 1: those down the field a little bit. And I have
Speaker 1: I've seen that something which I would agree. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're gonna scheme to the strength of your quarterbacks game,
Speaker 1: which in full team eleven on eleven scenarios. I don't
Speaker 1: think I've seen Dak throw a true deep ball, meaning
Speaker 1: like you know, twenty five or more yards down the
Speaker 1: field more than like three times four times, I mean
Speaker 1: in two padded practices. Yea, So it's something to keep
Speaker 1: an eye on. Um. Second is my running. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: you're right, But that's just because Zeke is so good. Right, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's exactly right. That's fine. I you know, Alabama's coaching
Speaker 1: staff is the best cornerback I'll say, I really I
Speaker 1: feel back. Yeah, I mean they've made plays. They haven't
Speaker 1: they should be making plays. These wide receivers are unproven,
Speaker 1: but I think they've handled themselves really well. Yeah for
Speaker 1: the most part. Obviously, I mean you're not gonna they've
Speaker 1: gotten beat sometimes too, But for the most part, I
Speaker 1: think they've played well. But I mean to say about
Speaker 1: running back, I think Rod Smith has got some kind
Speaker 1: of role on this team other than just special teams.
Speaker 1: They're gonna figure out way to get him the ball.
Speaker 1: I think Jimmy he's all the wall. He's going to
Speaker 1: really do more than just be a fullback. He's going
Speaker 1: to do some things as well. So even if Zeke
Speaker 1: is not on the field every play. I think that
Speaker 1: they've got some some depth there um and some unique
Speaker 1: skill sets. So that's right. And Darius Jackson's back, and
Speaker 1: I think he's actually looked so good out here. Now
Speaker 1: you don't know because they're not getting hit obviously, but
Speaker 1: but yeah, Darius Jackson looks looks pretty good. He looked
Speaker 1: good when he was in camp years ago. But Darius
Speaker 1: are going to lead the team in preseason rushing yards? No,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's not Yeah, it's a nice group.
Speaker 1: I feel good about it. All right, guys, here's a
Speaker 1: question from Twitter. If Randy Gregory and Coney make the
Speaker 1: roster for Week one, which four pass rushers are you
Speaker 1: interested on? Third and long? Okay? I would love all Right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna for the purposes of this, we're gonna say
Speaker 1: David David Irving is suspended for the first month of
Speaker 1: the season, but that's a stretch for I would love
Speaker 1: and a third and long if he's really ready to
Speaker 1: go and you can count and he's healthy and acclimated
Speaker 1: to football, I would love to see Randy Gregory at
Speaker 1: right end, Tank at left end, with Malik and Tyrone
Speaker 1: Crawford in the in the middle. That sounds great to me.
Speaker 1: Can I make one exception of that? Sure? I love
Speaker 1: that that lineup, But I would love it if they
Speaker 1: could figure out if maybe Coney Eely could play that
Speaker 1: defensive tackle spot where you had I would I would
Speaker 1: like because I think he's a big guy, so obviously
Speaker 1: the size wouldn't be an issue. But he's got a
Speaker 1: quick step. I think guards would have a hard time
Speaker 1: to keep it up with him with his quickness, So
Speaker 1: I'd love to see him if they could possibly push
Speaker 1: him down on down. For the record, I know that's
Speaker 1: all good. It's just that, you know, if you draft
Speaker 1: somebody in the first round to be a good player,
Speaker 1: you would think Taco would need to be there at
Speaker 1: some point. Yeah, you know. I mean, and I'm okay
Speaker 1: if Taco's the guy instead of Randy card here, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, he he's like some bonus player. I'd like
Speaker 1: either one of those in that spot, like, I'm good
Speaker 1: with either one equally. It also depends on how long
Speaker 1: are we talking here. I mean, what is third and long,
Speaker 1: third and seven or more, something where you feel pretty
Speaker 1: good to throw in the ball. They're not gonna gash
Speaker 1: you with a round. Yeah, yeah, so it's probably third
Speaker 1: and seven, third and eight, they'll rotate. I've said it already.
Speaker 1: I really don't need to be out there too. At
Speaker 1: some point, I believe Tacco is gonna take a step,
Speaker 1: but that's I mean, that's I know this sounds dumb
Speaker 1: to say about a first round pick, but he's not that.
Speaker 1: I mean, look at Randy Gregor, Like Randy Gregory's a freak.
Speaker 1: He was like custom build to rush the passer, and
Speaker 1: I Tacco's not that type of guy. And they knew
Speaker 1: he wasn't that type of guy when they drafted him.
Speaker 1: He's a different kind of player. Yeah, But I just
Speaker 1: I'm limited in what I'm willing to allow myself to
Speaker 1: believe that Randy can do this year. Just know how
Speaker 1: long he's been out ball. That doesn't mean he can't
Speaker 1: resume that at some point, But I just I'm really
Speaker 1: hesitant to think that he's gonna get him. Really trying
Speaker 1: to keep my foot on the break of the Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory train because it's just not fair to him. It's
Speaker 1: not fair to him, and it's not fair to fans
Speaker 1: who are and anybody like oh Sacks coming and then
Speaker 1: it just doesn't happen, and then you're mad at a
Speaker 1: guy for thinking something you never should have been thinking.
Speaker 1: Right exactly, if he plays more than like twenty snaps
Speaker 1: in the season opener, that would be a stupendous success.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, I think they're going to have a
Speaker 1: balance every week trying to figure out if this he
Speaker 1: even is he even active? Can we get him enough
Speaker 1: quality snaps to justify him having one of these forty
Speaker 1: six spots. I don't know. I don't know if they
Speaker 1: if they can, because if he can't, just if that's
Speaker 1: all he's gonna do is rush the password, then I
Speaker 1: don't know if you can justify it. The fun of
Speaker 1: that is if we set the expectations super low, which
Speaker 1: we're trying to do right now, it'll be that much
Speaker 1: more fun if he breaks them. But it's not fair
Speaker 1: to put those kind of expectations all cheering for him. God, yeah, man, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's take a call from Randy speaking of it. Okay, guys,
Speaker 1: A couple of things. If I know, I don't want
Speaker 1: to beat this Colonel Thomas thing up, but if the
Speaker 1: front office had a chance to get a starting defensive tackle,
Speaker 1: a three technique defensive tackle, do you think they would
Speaker 1: take that over a possible trade for Earl Thomas? And
Speaker 1: do you see Cam Kelly making this team? Hmm, okay,
Speaker 1: So defensive tackle like a trade also, I would have
Speaker 1: I would imagine if I had to guess, Randy had
Speaker 1: like Hankins in the back of his mind saying that,
Speaker 1: I think they would have done that if they wanted to.
Speaker 1: By now. Um again, defensive tackle is another place where
Speaker 1: I could see them maybe adding a guy with a
Speaker 1: trade or you know, somebody good. You know, a veteran
Speaker 1: gets cut at the end of roster cuts, maybe they
Speaker 1: pick him up him and at him. But defensive tackle
Speaker 1: is just so mystifying because of the way Rod Marinelli
Speaker 1: of uses guys. It's the same thing in the draft
Speaker 1: is like logic says you should do this. Marion Elli's
Speaker 1: got his own opinions. You know, they don't value one
Speaker 1: techniques his first round picks, So how much are they
Speaker 1: gonna be willing to pay for a free agent or
Speaker 1: trade for one? Um. He loves jihad Ward, They had
Speaker 1: a good grade on him. He's here. Udtone Jones is
Speaker 1: getting a lot of reps. Uh. And then you hope
Speaker 1: Malie Collins and David Irving rotate back in. Like me, personally,
Speaker 1: I would view that as something I would want to do.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know how they feel, and I
Speaker 1: kind of think that they don't feel that way. Yea um,
Speaker 1: but again, I'm I'm curious to see what they do
Speaker 1: at cut time with this team because I think it
Speaker 1: could be interesting. Cam Kelly, cam Kelly, Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's early. I mean, but he's he's
Speaker 1: he's a big guy that that that you know, has
Speaker 1: got the skill set that they're they're looking for, big long,
Speaker 1: uh player, and you know he's got to go out
Speaker 1: here and and make plays. I he's got He's got
Speaker 1: as good a shot as anybody. I did. He's got
Speaker 1: as good a shot as anybody. That's the interesting thing is, like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, even was it last year or two years
Speaker 1: ago they had Robert Blanton, Like there's always been a
Speaker 1: fourth safety where you're like, well, you know this, this
Speaker 1: guy's got the inside track and somebody's gonna have to
Speaker 1: beat him. That's not the case this year. Like there's
Speaker 1: there's three established safeties. I think cam Kelly's got just
Speaker 1: as good a shot as Marqueston Huff, who is the
Speaker 1: probably your fourth safety right now. So just hopefully he
Speaker 1: can string some good practices together. And what was his story?
Speaker 1: You wrote a story on the way. What's It's kind
Speaker 1: of a unique that's awesome. He's from Wiley, Texas, which
Speaker 1: is in North Dallas, or excuse me, he's from Murphy, Texas.
Speaker 1: But he went to high school in a whiley Um.
Speaker 1: His his high school coach like owned a moving company
Speaker 1: and every summer they would move like all of this,
Speaker 1: all the equipment that the Cowboys take out to California.
Speaker 1: He would load it up. He would go to Valley
Speaker 1: Ranch and and put it in the trucks and help
Speaker 1: him ship it out here. So Valley Ranch, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what he said. He was like, he was like,
Speaker 1: I think it's called Valley Ranch, Like that's what the
Speaker 1: facility used to be called. And like he was like,
Speaker 1: you know, he was like, you know, this was back
Speaker 1: in the days, like when they had to Marcus Ware
Speaker 1: and Tony Romo. And I'm just like, yeah, yeah, I know, man,
Speaker 1: thanks thanks for making me feel old. But yeah, so
Speaker 1: I don't know, just it's cool that, you know, he
Speaker 1: had a role to play with Cowboys training camp as
Speaker 1: a kid and now he's out here trying to make
Speaker 1: the team. It's pretty cool. That's awesome. And yesterday we
Speaker 1: touched on well, I mentioned Charles Charles Tapper, and I
Speaker 1: just want to get your opinion, Stephen Stones. He's asking
Speaker 1: through Twitter about Charles and his role and we know
Speaker 1: his history those far and what happens now? Do you
Speaker 1: do you still have hope for him? Do you expect
Speaker 1: him to do anything that will actually make something out
Speaker 1: of the Thing about the thing about Tapper is that
Speaker 1: he's gonna have position. He's gonna have if he's healthy,
Speaker 1: gonna go to those preseason games and he's gonna get
Speaker 1: the play a lot. Marcus Launce, they're not gonna They're
Speaker 1: not gonna do a lot with him. I can't imagine
Speaker 1: Randy Craigory's gonna just play a ton in preseason games either.
Speaker 1: Aroon Crawford probably not either. Right, He's probably gonna start
Speaker 1: a lot of a few preseasons. It's like Ryan Russell
Speaker 1: a year or two ago, where he just got like
Speaker 1: every snap played the whole game. I think I think
Speaker 1: he could play a lot of the game. This is
Speaker 1: the time. This is not gonna play a ton either
Speaker 1: well not well, this is the time in his career
Speaker 1: when he's got to start showing some shirt like this is.
Speaker 1: But this is the point where he's probably at risk
Speaker 1: a little bit of not making the team, like a
Speaker 1: little bit. Well, I'm just saying, like, you know how,
Speaker 1: but early on, he's gonna get every opportunity. It gets
Speaker 1: to a point where it's like, all right, you gotta show.
Speaker 1: What my point is is he's playing with the threes,
Speaker 1: so he gets to play with the ones, in the
Speaker 1: twos and then the threes. He's to play all that
Speaker 1: whole time because he's in all of these all of
Speaker 1: these position groups. I mean all of these um you know,
Speaker 1: depth charts. Yeah, so this is gonna sound pessimistic, and
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, no, Dave, I'm I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of it purely from Charles Tapper's mindset. Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory getting reinstated is the worst thing that could have
Speaker 1: happened to him. And I'm like, he he wouldn't say that,
Speaker 1: and he probably doesn't see it that way, But that's
Speaker 1: me who's doing the fifty three projection is you could
Speaker 1: you could find a spot for him if he played
Speaker 1: well but it gets way harder if Randy Gregory is
Speaker 1: eligible to be on the team. Uh, maybe they keep
Speaker 1: as many as six defensive ends and that could help
Speaker 1: him out if they feel really good about their depth.
Speaker 1: But you can't count on that. And so Tanks making
Speaker 1: the team, Tyrone's making the team. Uh, Taco's making the team,
Speaker 1: and you assume Randy's making the team. So Tapper's got
Speaker 1: some work. I mean, Coney Eely is a guy that
Speaker 1: maybe he could beat out, but he's Let's say Tappers
Speaker 1: stays healthy and does really well dream preseason. What do
Speaker 1: you do? Then he's absolutely got. If he plays really
Speaker 1: well and is healthy in the preseason, you find a
Speaker 1: way to get You find a way to keep if
Speaker 1: he's if he's a good pass rush short because he's
Speaker 1: got this athletic ability. If he if he actually stays
Speaker 1: healthy and does well in the preseason, yeah, you find
Speaker 1: a way to you keep him, You cony, you move
Speaker 1: it inside until he comes back, and we'll figure this out.
Speaker 1: You know. I think they did it last year at
Speaker 1: least for a little while. They only had three defensive
Speaker 1: tackles because they had ends who had flex You could
Speaker 1: do something like that. I don't love that, but you could. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's ever been not around here and
Speaker 1: probably not around a lot of teams where they like,
Speaker 1: we're gonna cut this young pass rusher, you know, with ability,
Speaker 1: we just don't have to have, you know, room for him.
Speaker 1: But I know what you're saying is how much can
Speaker 1: you count on? I mean, now you got guys. Can
Speaker 1: you rely on gregor we can you rely on um Tapper?
Speaker 1: I keep saying Russell like he's He's like Ryan Russell's
Speaker 1: be buffalo? Yeah, because again are speaking of reliability. He's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: who do you take the risk on? Over here? If
Speaker 1: it comes down to they're playing somewhat, you know, showing
Speaker 1: promising moves, who do you keep and and just risk
Speaker 1: it for what it's worth? I believe, I mean Tapper
Speaker 1: should have practice squad eligibility. Yeah, he's played like two
Speaker 1: career games, but if he plays as well as you're
Speaker 1: suggesting in this scenario, you can't count on him clearing waivers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and no doubt. But you know they say it every
Speaker 1: year and I know we talk about all this stuff,
Speaker 1: what's going to happen and move down the line, but
Speaker 1: this stuff has a way of working itself out. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, in practice, whether it be an injury or
Speaker 1: a guy playing really well or not playing well or something. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know it's gonna two weeks from now, there's a
Speaker 1: week from now. You know it's gonna be a little different. Well,
Speaker 1: Derek who who won our fan favorite player? All right?
Speaker 1: So we ran two different polls. The first one was
Speaker 1: which defensive back fans are most interested in seeing most
Speaker 1: excited to see Jeff Heath the winner? There he gettin
Speaker 1: the vote I'm shocked to him or not? I'm actually not.
Speaker 1: I think after that play he made in Oakland last year,
Speaker 1: I think fans started he won a lot of people.
Speaker 1: He did. Fans started to say, hey, let's be honest,
Speaker 1: there weren't a lot of guys in his secondary. They
Speaker 1: were making plays, not big plays, at a winning game.
Speaker 1: And I don't say I'm shocked to dog Jeff Heath.
Speaker 1: I say I'm shocked because you've got the young players
Speaker 1: who I mean, Xavier Woods could be the next Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl Cowboys safety or or Cheeto and Jordan have all
Speaker 1: this potential. So the fact that they still went with
Speaker 1: Heath is impressive. Iron Jones was second with twenty nine,
Speaker 1: Cheeto with sixteen, Jordan with ten percent, and then Xavier
Speaker 1: Woods was the last with seven percent. And then we
Speaker 1: also ran a poll asking are you satisfied with Heath
Speaker 1: and Woods as you're starting safeties? As we could expect,
Speaker 1: it was that actually just dipped again. It was at
Speaker 1: eighty eight percent. Now it's at ninety four percent. Just
Speaker 1: went back up a little bit to seventy nine percent.
Speaker 1: It's bouncing around a little bit, but it's that's just
Speaker 1: pretty clear that it's a no. That's just because of
Speaker 1: who people think they could have. Right, you're talking about
Speaker 1: a guy again, a guy that will be in the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame at some point as a safety, and
Speaker 1: you have an opportunity to get him. Well, no matter,
Speaker 1: but how good the guy out here is, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: He's not that guy. And in ten words or less,
Speaker 1: just real quick, they just tell me how Xavier Woods
Speaker 1: is playing out here? Uh, pretty good from what I
Speaker 1: can tell. Look, okay, and you're the one, and we're
Speaker 1: the ones that are telling these people what's happening, right,
Speaker 1: So they don't know anything when Xavier Woods is no
Speaker 1: different than that. They know he's six time Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: or whoever is over there. So meanwhile, natural Earls on Instagram,
Speaker 1: straight flexing, just posting post after post after post and
Speaker 1: liking Cowboys posts and all that. That would be awesome
Speaker 1: dancing around. Let's go get hits on the site. You
Speaker 1: think that would be a big traffic day. All right, guys,
Speaker 1: that is all the time we have for today. Thank
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