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Speaker 1: that's just making sure you seem very quiet this morning,

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Speaker 1: doesn't sound that good, but anyway, So I last practice,

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Speaker 1: last padded practice. I okay, that's when people are all draining, Derek. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so last padded practice? We well, I gave you guys

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Speaker 1: a homework to watch the defensive backs. So that's what

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get into every show. We're gonna try to

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Speaker 1: focus in one specific group, and today's topic defensive back.

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Speaker 1: So I want to go around the table to start

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Speaker 1: it off and just kind of tell me your overall

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Speaker 1: was it Sunday? Yeah, Sunday Sunday, Derek Um I was

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Speaker 1: reason why I say that is because, and I think

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Speaker 1: I don't think either one of those groups. And we're

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Speaker 1: I think they've been okay. Um, but you're never really

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Speaker 1: That is October maybe, honestly, and okay, maybe it just

428
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,080
Speaker 1: depends its week. It's week six I think is. But

429
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,680
Speaker 1: like I said, it's it's not just the safety issue,

430
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 1: it's the whole team. It's this team good enough to

431
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,159
Speaker 1: go and just fix a problem or and to go

432
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,600
Speaker 1: into next year's draft picks by doing that, or do

433
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,160
Speaker 1: you just say, you know what, we got issues there,

434
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,120
Speaker 1: we got issues over here, We're going to have issues

435
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 1: and you know, and and and kind of from that standpoint,

436
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I could see Jason Garrett because like we've said,

437
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 1: I mean, if they don't do well, then then there's

438
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 1: gonna be big changes at the end of the season.

439
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 1: So I think you, you know, you go with every

440
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 1: for everything that you can. I mean, you're trying to

441
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 1: see right now if these safeties are good enough. But

442
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 1: I bet you your timeline is probably not even into

443
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 1: the season. I bet a couple of weeks here, a

444
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 1: couple of weeks of camp, and then you're like, all right,

445
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,680
Speaker 1: I'm just and for the I mean, like it's hard

446
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 1: for me to evaluate, but the early returns on n

447
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 1: Xavier seemed very positive. I had I had a conversation

448
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,639
Speaker 1: in the cafeteria last night with somebody who's like, his

449
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 1: instincts are off the charts. He's he knows exactly where

450
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 1: to be, he knows exactly what he's doing out there,

451
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 1: which that's great to hear. But the thing that worries

452
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 1: me is it's it's thudding up. You know, this isn't football,

453
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 1: and it's not another team that's scheming against you. So

454
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 1: I wonder, I mean, if Xavier could be great all

455
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,640
Speaker 1: the way through. And I hate to continually doubt the guy,

456
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,679
Speaker 1: but when when the ammunition is live, does it change?

457
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 1: And if it does, what do you do? Because I've

458
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,399
Speaker 1: said it more times than I can count, it's the

459
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 1: only position where they haven't really tried to fortify themselves,

460
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 1: and that worries. But you believed in this gay when

461
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 1: they were drafting him. You believed wholeheartedly in him so

462
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: and I think they did too. So obviously they drafted him,

463
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 1: so at some point you got to figure out if

464
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 1: he can do it right. Yeah, but you know, it's

465
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 1: kind of like riding a bike with training wheels as

466
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 1: opposed to without. It's sure would be nice to have

467
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: a backup plan, you know. You know the thing about

468
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,199
Speaker 1: Woods is that I maybe I'm just greedy. I mean,

469
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 1: if you made the trade to get to get Earl Thomas,

470
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: then David Woods would still have a really big role

471
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 1: because he is a unique player that can actually play

472
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 1: a slot corner like he can do some things in

473
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 1: your Nickel packages. I mean, maybe him and Heath rotates

474
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 1: some things. Heath is still, you know, trying to solidify

475
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 1: himself as a starter. Just give me the six time

476
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 1: pro bowler. I'll take him, okay, because we need him,

477
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,439
Speaker 1: and then we'll figure out where to put woods in

478
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 1: Heath and all that stuff. But you've got a guy

479
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 1: that doesn't want to be over there. He wants to

480
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 1: be over here. He's really, really good, and he wants

481
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 1: to play here for years to come. I think the

482
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: far more likely scenario is, uh, the Saturday before the season, now,

483
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: actually not the Saturday. The Saturday before the season, they'll

484
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 1: cut the roster down to fifty three. They'll cut it down.

485
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 1: He'll cut it. They literally they'll cut it to fifty three,

486
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 1: and some poor guy will be like, yeah, cowboy Sunday morning.

487
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 1: Uh You'll it'll be You'll they'll trade first, and it'll

488
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 1: be you'll be like, oh yeah, I know that guy.

489
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,679
Speaker 1: What Oh okay, he all right, he did some stuff

490
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 1: and he'll be your fourth safety. That's what I think is.

491
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: It's not that guy. No, no, no, no no, no no.

492
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 1: It'll be like, oh yeah, okay, like he remember he

493
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 1: played he played for the Packers for a couple of years. Okay,

494
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: all right, and it's not gonna get you excited, but

495
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 1: you'll be like, well he's played yeah, because when you

496
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: start Broadney Pool, when you see exact same thing they

497
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,479
Speaker 1: did last year with Ben ben haben Wickery, the exact

498
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: same thing, you said, oh he picked off Romo on

499
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving a couple of years go all right, cool, Yeah,

500
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: I think when you start thinking about this thing, it

501
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 1: just makes more sense that I just I'm resigned to

502
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: the fact that that Earl Thomas thing isn't happening this

503
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: year because think about it like this, if, like you said, Nick,

504
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to be there, he wants to be here,

505
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 1: right well, Cowboys know that, so why give up anything

506
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: for him this year? He's going to be a free

507
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 1: agent next year. So one more year, you take a year,

508
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: let's see what these safeties can do, and you get

509
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 1: to see what they can do in in live games,

510
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 1: and then you know kind of whether you need to

511
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,239
Speaker 1: go out and get and spend the money on him,

512
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 1: because that's the other thing. If if they if they

513
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: go through this season and they feel really good about

514
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 1: where Xavier Rhodes is woods, I'm sorry Xavier Woods. Why

515
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 1: do you keep doing that? If they feel really good

516
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 1: about where Xavier Woods is, then they don't need to

517
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: go out and spend the money that it would take.

518
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: That's a good pampering here because we're hitting everybody. We're

519
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 1: getting everybody from around the dail. He's on like an

520
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: eight year deal that everybody over there. That's a good point.

521
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: If people's jobs were not in the line, if this

522
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: didn't matter as much. But the person that's making the decision,

523
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: his job is not on the line. This job ain't

524
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 1: going anywhere, right, Stephen ain't going anywhere. Jerry ain't going anywhere.

525
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 1: So they can make that decision and say when it

526
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: comes personnel, they make the personnel decisions. So when it

527
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 1: comes to that, they can decide, hey, we're gonna we're

528
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: gonna hold on this and we'll see what happens. Well,

529
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you just have to wonder, does he let's

530
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: say that you're waiting until next year, is Earl Thomlin

531
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: is going to resign with the team that he's on. Maybe,

532
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: but what again? What you know is he has said

533
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 1: he wants to be here. He might like Philly, he

534
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: might get all that, but he has said, come get me.

535
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,199
Speaker 1: He walked in the locker room. He has made it

536
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: clear I want to be a Cowboy. So in that

537
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 1: kind of instance, like they have every reason to believe

538
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: if he's a free agent, they got they at least

539
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 1: got the inside track to be able to get his services. Right. Maybe,

540
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: but let's it's easy to say that until somebody's on

541
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: the open market. True now, but I think that I

542
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: think they would feel pretty good about their ability to

543
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: be able to woo him. And then wonder, I wonder

544
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 1: what it would take. I wonder what it would take

545
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 1: if the phone call was made right now, Like, what

546
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 1: would it take? Second round? Pick? That's it, second round

547
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 1: for next year. I just don't think the Cowboys would

548
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: do that, And at this point, I don't know that

549
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: they have to. Yeah, ask A J. Smith, Marcus Lawrence keeping,

550
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: I know. That's all I got. That's all I got. Listen, listen,

551
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: You're gonna go all the way to Sean Lee and

552
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: I just skip Bruce Carter. That's like the best I

553
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: can do. So I threw my best one out there

554
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: at the beginning. So well, I think it's a two

555
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: and a six, two and a six. I didn't get

556
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: to give something else two and six. I just think

557
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,239
Speaker 1: I don't even know if they were ready to give

558
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: it two, So tell me you gotta give it two

559
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 1: and a six. I'm sorry, I don't see that happening.

560
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: Here's what I think. The Cowboys brain trust is gonna

561
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: be sold or already is sold on Xavier Woods and

562
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: they might not wrote was okay, let's don't try to

563
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: throw me off. They might be right and they might

564
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: be wrong, but like I like, nothing is going to

565
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: happen in the next four weeks that's going to dissuade them,

566
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: That's what. And I'm giving Xavier credit for that. He's

567
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 1: going to play well enough that they're gonna say we

568
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: got this figure out. And they might be right. They

569
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: might be wrong too, but I think that's what's going

570
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: to happen. Now. That brings me to the next question.

571
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: I know we have the preseason games and that's still

572
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: not really seen your main guys play. But is it

573
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: concerning that we see some of these guys that aren't

574
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: necessarily able to go out and hit hard like real football,

575
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: but go up against receivers that not necessarily our big

576
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: names and have not been proven yet. Now, how do

577
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: you really evaluate their level going up against the guys

578
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: that we have right now who do have talent and

579
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: have been shining so far, but are now you're, you know, flashy,

580
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: big star players. I don't think it does happen here,

581
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: honestly for that reason alone. I think that Woods and

582
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: Heath will play well and do some good things, you know,

583
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: But go out to San Francisco or to go to

584
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: the next preseason game and do some things there, good

585
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: or bad, and that's where people will start making more

586
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: decisions on oh man, maybe they're not very good, you know.

587
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: I mean I don't, or maybe they are really good.

588
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: I just think it's hard to do it out here

589
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: because if it's if great things happened. We say it

590
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: all the time. If great things are happening for the defense,

591
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: you know, and they're covering up these tight ends, then

592
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: the first thing we're gonna hear is they need to

593
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: get new tight ends, because the tight ends can beat these.

594
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: You know. It's just the way it is in practice.

595
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: It's a great, great example from I guess it was

596
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: probably Sunday's practice, Zeke. They had a hell of a

597
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: play on a screen where Connor and Travis and um

598
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: lyall all got out in space, and I mean Zeke

599
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: picked up big yardage, and he would have picked up

600
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: big yardage regardless. But Xavier came from deep in the field,

601
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: took a great angle, was right in position, and if

602
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: it had been live ball, he would have lit Zeke

603
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: up like I mean it was you can watch it

604
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: on video. It was there. But he didn't. And so

605
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: the your your mental concept of the play changes completely

606
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: because if if Xavier Woods just decletes Zeke on the sideline,

607
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: You're like, what a badass play, But he didn't, so

608
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: you're like, man, Zeke's awesome and the defense didn't know

609
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: what the hell they were doing here. Well, that would

610
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: have been our first fight of camp. Oh, no doubt,

611
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: which he no the record, do not declete the star running, Yeah,

612
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: do not delete that all takes right there. Just know

613
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: he makes a hit like that. Yeah, you know, James

614
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,719
Speaker 1: Washington used to do that for years back in the nineties.

615
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: He caused fights by knocking out Alvin Harper and stuff

616
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,959
Speaker 1: like that. But but you know, sometimes the defense needs

617
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. You don't want to hurt any anybody,

618
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: but you know, they've been getting beat pretty good on

619
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: these one on ones and even seven on sevens, and

620
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: so they need somebody to kind of step up that way.

621
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: You don't you don't want to hurt anyone, but I

622
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: need to set the tunnel. Stay away from twenty one. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

623
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: don't don't touch hit somebody else like Rob Smith hit

624
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: Rob Smith. Don't touch any part of two one four

625
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: exactly one. Right. In that case, you being a guy

626
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: that's looking at you know, watching these players here at

627
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: training camp and evaluating or trying to evaluate them the

628
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: best way that you possibly can. What is something that

629
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: you look for to give you some white of confidence that, Okay,

630
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: this guy is looking good. That's a good point. And

631
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: that's what Dave was saying by talking to somebody over

632
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: there about you know, the guy's aware, he knows what's

633
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: going on, he can see the stuff happening. Be in

634
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: position to hit Zeke, be in position. Don't be way

635
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: over here and all you would have missed him be

636
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: there and and they you know, make it where. Okay,

637
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: we couldn't hit right there, but you were there to

638
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: make the play. I assume you're going to make the play.

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Speaker 1: You saw the TI didn't go in motion here, and

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Speaker 1: and Jeff moved here and you moved to the back.

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Speaker 1: Be just recognize things like that. That's the start. That's

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Speaker 1: know that kind of stuff. I also note with Jones,

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Speaker 1: big plays he's had out here was that in both

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Speaker 1: ability to catch up and then to be able to

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Speaker 1: actually get the ball, which I know if a lot

652
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Speaker 1: of fans are like light ball is underthrown, guess what.

653
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Speaker 1: Not every time cornerbacks come down with the ball. The

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Speaker 1: a ball down and getting an interception, and that's a

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Speaker 1: huge difference. A turnover means everything. So when you can

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Speaker 1: see those kinds of skills, I think that's the kind

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Speaker 1: of stuff I'm looking for, is how do they how

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Speaker 1: are they playing are they are they able to when

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Speaker 1: they get beat? Are they able to catch up? Are

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Speaker 1: they able to run from behind a receiver and still

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Speaker 1: be able to get back into position? You know, those

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Speaker 1: are the kinds of things that will tell you a

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Speaker 1: lot about once you get into the regular season, when

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Speaker 1: it's going in and you actually are hitting. Those things

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Speaker 1: up with receiver to not get beat. I think that

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Speaker 1: still matters, right right. Yeah. So a guy that some

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Speaker 1: people love and some people hate Jeff Heath, And we've

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Speaker 1: talked about him since he was a big hype last

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Speaker 1: Jeff here, I hate them. There are people I hate.

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Speaker 1: If you hate Jeff Heath, I hate you. There's a

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Speaker 1: handful of people that do hate Jeff Heath. But, um,

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Speaker 1: how is like the idea of okay, okay, sorry whatever, okay,

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Speaker 1: What has been his role right now? And how is

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Speaker 1: he looking out there on the field thus far? He

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Speaker 1: looks pretty good. Um, I think that he ringing endorsement. Now,

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Speaker 1: I think I think he looks good. I noticed some

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Speaker 1: of the past from him. Um, and that's that's something

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Speaker 1: I guess that that's definitely needed, uh in this secondary,

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Speaker 1: you know, with not having a lot of veteran voices

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Speaker 1: looked good. I mean, I haven't nothing stood out, but

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Speaker 1: you know, he's party, he's he just he reminds me

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Speaker 1: Like he's not he's not gonna flash doing the type

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Speaker 1: of stuff that you have to do out here, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean, like fitting in the run game. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, being that last line of defense. Like he's

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Speaker 1: he's not Byron Jones. He's not going up to bat

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Speaker 1: that type of stuff away. Um. And he's he's deceptively fast,

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Speaker 1: but he's he just doesn't have that freakish type of

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Speaker 1: in a situation like this. That's the thing I keep

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Speaker 1: saying over and over again is if Jeff Heath is

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Speaker 1: the best player in your secondary, you're probably in trouble.

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Speaker 1: But if he's the worst player in your secondary, your

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Speaker 1: secondary is probably pretty good. Which I think you could

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Speaker 1: have said the same thing about Barry Church. Yeah. Um,

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Speaker 1: And so that's kind of what I look at. It

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Speaker 1: is that he's surrounded by more talented guys, which can

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Speaker 1: only help him. And he has not jumped out at

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Speaker 1: don't really expect him to. Yeah, And the fact of

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Speaker 1: the matter is, I actually think he's a better playmaker

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Speaker 1: the Yeah, he's the kind of guy, like you say,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't show all the time out here, but you

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Speaker 1: about Jeff Feith, but I'd be hard pressed to find

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726
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Speaker 1: a little bit. But he's kind of goes to your

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Speaker 1: But if he's your worst player, if you go back

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Speaker 1: were saying that you've been noticing the deep ball a

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Speaker 1: the question that we always hear about Dak is the

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Speaker 1: Thanks guys, all right, thank you. The deep ball, um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think there's been some of that, um, some completions

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Speaker 1: will go deep, you can you can have some some

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Speaker 1: benefits there and you don't have to complete every one

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Speaker 1: of them. But yes, it would be nice to get

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Speaker 1: those down the field a little bit. And I have

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Speaker 1: I've seen that something which I would agree. I mean,

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849
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Speaker 1: like you know, twenty five or more yards down the

850
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: field more than like three times four times, I mean

851
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: in two padded practices. Yea, So it's something to keep

852
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: an eye on. Um. Second is my running. Yeah, it's

853
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: you're right, But that's just because Zeke is so good. Right, Okay,

854
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:37,479
Speaker 1: it's exactly right. That's fine. I you know, Alabama's coaching

855
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: staff is the best cornerback I'll say, I really I

856
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 1: feel back. Yeah, I mean they've made plays. They haven't

857
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: they should be making plays. These wide receivers are unproven,

858
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: but I think they've handled themselves really well. Yeah for

859
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: the most part. Obviously, I mean you're not gonna they've

860
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 1: gotten beat sometimes too, But for the most part, I

861
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: think they've played well. But I mean to say about

862
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: running back, I think Rod Smith has got some kind

863
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,240
Speaker 1: of role on this team other than just special teams.

864
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: They're gonna figure out way to get him the ball.

865
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: I think Jimmy he's all the wall. He's going to

866
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: really do more than just be a fullback. He's going

867
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 1: to do some things as well. So even if Zeke

868
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: is not on the field every play. I think that

869
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: they've got some some depth there um and some unique

870
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: skill sets. So that's right. And Darius Jackson's back, and

871
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: I think he's actually looked so good out here. Now

872
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: you don't know because they're not getting hit obviously, but

873
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: but yeah, Darius Jackson looks looks pretty good. He looked

874
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 1: good when he was in camp years ago. But Darius

875
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: are going to lead the team in preseason rushing yards? No,

876
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's not Yeah, it's a nice group.

877
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: I feel good about it. All right, guys, here's a

878
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: question from Twitter. If Randy Gregory and Coney make the

879
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: roster for Week one, which four pass rushers are you

880
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: interested on? Third and long? Okay? I would love all Right,

881
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: we're gonna for the purposes of this, we're gonna say

882
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: David David Irving is suspended for the first month of

883
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,959
Speaker 1: the season, but that's a stretch for I would love

884
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: and a third and long if he's really ready to

885
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: go and you can count and he's healthy and acclimated

886
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: to football, I would love to see Randy Gregory at

887
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: right end, Tank at left end, with Malik and Tyrone

888
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: Crawford in the in the middle. That sounds great to me.

889
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: Can I make one exception of that? Sure? I love

890
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: that that lineup, But I would love it if they

891
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: could figure out if maybe Coney Eely could play that

892
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: defensive tackle spot where you had I would I would

893
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: like because I think he's a big guy, so obviously

894
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: the size wouldn't be an issue. But he's got a

895
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: quick step. I think guards would have a hard time

896
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: to keep it up with him with his quickness, So

897
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 1: I'd love to see him if they could possibly push

898
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: him down on down. For the record, I know that's

899
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: all good. It's just that, you know, if you draft

900
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: somebody in the first round to be a good player,

901
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: you would think Taco would need to be there at

902
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: some point. Yeah, you know. I mean, and I'm okay

903
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: if Taco's the guy instead of Randy card here, Yeah,

904
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: I mean, he he's like some bonus player. I'd like

905
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: either one of those in that spot, like, I'm good

906
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: with either one equally. It also depends on how long

907
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: are we talking here. I mean, what is third and long,

908
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: third and seven or more, something where you feel pretty

909
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: good to throw in the ball. They're not gonna gash

910
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: you with a round. Yeah, yeah, so it's probably third

911
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 1: and seven, third and eight, they'll rotate. I've said it already.

912
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 1: I really don't need to be out there too. At

913
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: some point, I believe Tacco is gonna take a step,

914
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: but that's I mean, that's I know this sounds dumb

915
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: to say about a first round pick, but he's not that.

916
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 1: I mean, look at Randy Gregor, Like Randy Gregory's a freak.

917
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: He was like custom build to rush the passer, and

918
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: I Tacco's not that type of guy. And they knew

919
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: he wasn't that type of guy when they drafted him.

920
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: He's a different kind of player. Yeah, But I just

921
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: I'm limited in what I'm willing to allow myself to

922
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: believe that Randy can do this year. Just know how

923
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: long he's been out ball. That doesn't mean he can't

924
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 1: resume that at some point, But I just I'm really

925
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 1: hesitant to think that he's gonna get him. Really trying

926
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: to keep my foot on the break of the Randy

927
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: Gregory train because it's just not fair to him. It's

928
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: not fair to him, and it's not fair to fans

929
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: who are and anybody like oh Sacks coming and then

930
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: it just doesn't happen, and then you're mad at a

931
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: guy for thinking something you never should have been thinking.

932
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: Right exactly, if he plays more than like twenty snaps

933
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 1: in the season opener, that would be a stupendous success.

934
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: In my opinion, I think they're going to have a

935
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: balance every week trying to figure out if this he

936
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: even is he even active? Can we get him enough

937
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: quality snaps to justify him having one of these forty

938
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 1: six spots. I don't know. I don't know if they

939
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: if they can, because if he can't, just if that's

940
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: all he's gonna do is rush the password, then I

941
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: don't know if you can justify it. The fun of

942
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,919
Speaker 1: that is if we set the expectations super low, which

943
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: we're trying to do right now, it'll be that much

944
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: more fun if he breaks them. But it's not fair

945
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: to put those kind of expectations all cheering for him. God, yeah, man, Okay,

946
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: let's take a call from Randy speaking of it. Okay, guys,

947
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: A couple of things. If I know, I don't want

948
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: to beat this Colonel Thomas thing up, but if the

949
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,720
Speaker 1: front office had a chance to get a starting defensive tackle,

950
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: a three technique defensive tackle, do you think they would

951
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: take that over a possible trade for Earl Thomas? And

952
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 1: do you see Cam Kelly making this team? Hmm, okay,

953
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: So defensive tackle like a trade also, I would have

954
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: I would imagine if I had to guess, Randy had

955
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: like Hankins in the back of his mind saying that,

956
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: I think they would have done that if they wanted to.

957
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: By now. Um again, defensive tackle is another place where

958
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 1: I could see them maybe adding a guy with a

959
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 1: trade or you know, somebody good. You know, a veteran

960
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: gets cut at the end of roster cuts, maybe they

961
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 1: pick him up him and at him. But defensive tackle

962
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: is just so mystifying because of the way Rod Marinelli

963
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: of uses guys. It's the same thing in the draft

964
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: is like logic says you should do this. Marion Elli's

965
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: got his own opinions. You know, they don't value one

966
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: techniques his first round picks, So how much are they

967
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: gonna be willing to pay for a free agent or

968
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: trade for one? Um. He loves jihad Ward, They had

969
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: a good grade on him. He's here. Udtone Jones is

970
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: getting a lot of reps. Uh. And then you hope

971
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 1: Malie Collins and David Irving rotate back in. Like me, personally,

972
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: I would view that as something I would want to do.

973
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know how they feel, and I

974
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: kind of think that they don't feel that way. Yea um,

975
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: but again, I'm I'm curious to see what they do

976
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: at cut time with this team because I think it

977
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,479
Speaker 1: could be interesting. Cam Kelly, cam Kelly, Yeah, I think

978
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's early. I mean, but he's he's

979
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: he's a big guy that that that you know, has

980
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: got the skill set that they're they're looking for, big long,

981
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 1: uh player, and you know he's got to go out

982
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: here and and make plays. I he's got He's got

983
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: as good a shot as anybody. I did. He's got

984
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: as good a shot as anybody. That's the interesting thing is, like, uh,

985
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:04,919
Speaker 1: you know, even was it last year or two years

986
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: ago they had Robert Blanton, Like there's always been a

987
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: fourth safety where you're like, well, you know this, this

988
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: guy's got the inside track and somebody's gonna have to

989
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: beat him. That's not the case this year. Like there's

990
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 1: there's three established safeties. I think cam Kelly's got just

991
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: as good a shot as Marqueston Huff, who is the

992
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: probably your fourth safety right now. So just hopefully he

993
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: can string some good practices together. And what was his story?

994
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,919
Speaker 1: You wrote a story on the way. What's It's kind

995
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: of a unique that's awesome. He's from Wiley, Texas, which

996
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: is in North Dallas, or excuse me, he's from Murphy, Texas.

997
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: But he went to high school in a whiley Um.

998
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: His his high school coach like owned a moving company

999
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: and every summer they would move like all of this,

1000
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: all the equipment that the Cowboys take out to California.

1001
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: He would load it up. He would go to Valley

1002
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: Ranch and and put it in the trucks and help

1003
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: him ship it out here. So Valley Ranch, Yeah, yeah,

1004
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: that's what he said. He was like, he was like,

1005
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: I think it's called Valley Ranch, Like that's what the

1006
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: facility used to be called. And like he was like,

1007
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 1: you know, he was like, you know, this was back

1008
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: in the days, like when they had to Marcus Ware

1009
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: and Tony Romo. And I'm just like, yeah, yeah, I know, man,

1010
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: thanks thanks for making me feel old. But yeah, so

1011
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, just it's cool that, you know, he

1012
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: had a role to play with Cowboys training camp as

1013
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: a kid and now he's out here trying to make

1014
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: the team. It's pretty cool. That's awesome. And yesterday we

1015
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: touched on well, I mentioned Charles Charles Tapper, and I

1016
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 1: just want to get your opinion, Stephen Stones. He's asking

1017
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: through Twitter about Charles and his role and we know

1018
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: his history those far and what happens now? Do you

1019
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: do you still have hope for him? Do you expect

1020
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: him to do anything that will actually make something out

1021
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,919
Speaker 1: of the Thing about the thing about Tapper is that

1022
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:57,280
Speaker 1: he's gonna have position. He's gonna have if he's healthy,

1023
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: gonna go to those preseason games and he's gonna get

1024
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: the play a lot. Marcus Launce, they're not gonna They're

1025
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: not gonna do a lot with him. I can't imagine

1026
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: Randy Craigory's gonna just play a ton in preseason games either.

1027
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: Aroon Crawford probably not either. Right, He's probably gonna start

1028
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: a lot of a few preseasons. It's like Ryan Russell

1029
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: a year or two ago, where he just got like

1030
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: every snap played the whole game. I think I think

1031
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: he could play a lot of the game. This is

1032
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 1: the time. This is not gonna play a ton either

1033
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,479
Speaker 1: well not well, this is the time in his career

1034
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: when he's got to start showing some shirt like this is.

1035
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: But this is the point where he's probably at risk

1036
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: a little bit of not making the team, like a

1037
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: little bit. Well, I'm just saying, like, you know how,

1038
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: but early on, he's gonna get every opportunity. It gets

1039
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 1: to a point where it's like, all right, you gotta show.

1040
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: What my point is is he's playing with the threes,

1041
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: so he gets to play with the ones, in the

1042
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: twos and then the threes. He's to play all that

1043
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: whole time because he's in all of these all of

1044
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: these position groups. I mean all of these um you know,

1045
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: depth charts. Yeah, so this is gonna sound pessimistic, and

1046
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, no, Dave, I'm I mean, I'm

1047
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of it purely from Charles Tapper's mindset. Randy

1048
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: Gregory getting reinstated is the worst thing that could have

1049
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: happened to him. And I'm like, he he wouldn't say that,

1050
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: and he probably doesn't see it that way, But that's

1051
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,720
Speaker 1: me who's doing the fifty three projection is you could

1052
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: you could find a spot for him if he played

1053
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 1: well but it gets way harder if Randy Gregory is

1054
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: eligible to be on the team. Uh, maybe they keep

1055
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: as many as six defensive ends and that could help

1056
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: him out if they feel really good about their depth.

1057
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Speaker 1: But you can't count on that. And so Tanks making

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00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: the team, Tyrone's making the team. Uh, Taco's making the team,

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00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: and you assume Randy's making the team. So Tapper's got

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00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: some work. I mean, Coney Eely is a guy that

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00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: maybe he could beat out, but he's Let's say Tappers

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Speaker 1: stays healthy and does really well dream preseason. What do

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00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,399
Speaker 1: you do? Then he's absolutely got. If he plays really

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Speaker 1: well and is healthy in the preseason, you find a

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Speaker 1: way to get You find a way to keep if

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Speaker 1: he's if he's a good pass rush short because he's

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Speaker 1: got this athletic ability. If he if he actually stays

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Speaker 1: healthy and does well in the preseason, yeah, you find

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Speaker 1: a way to you keep him, You cony, you move

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Speaker 1: it inside until he comes back, and we'll figure this out.

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Speaker 1: You know. I think they did it last year at

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Speaker 1: least for a little while. They only had three defensive

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00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: tackles because they had ends who had flex You could

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Speaker 1: do something like that. I don't love that, but you could. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's ever been not around here and

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00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 1: probably not around a lot of teams where they like,

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00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna cut this young pass rusher, you know, with ability,

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00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:25,879
Speaker 1: we just don't have to have, you know, room for him.

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Speaker 1: But I know what you're saying is how much can

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00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 1: you count on? I mean, now you got guys. Can

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00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:33,240
Speaker 1: you rely on gregor we can you rely on um Tapper?

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Speaker 1: I keep saying Russell like he's He's like Ryan Russell's

1083
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 1: be buffalo? Yeah, because again are speaking of reliability. He's like, Okay,

1084
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: who do you take the risk on? Over here? If

1085
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: it comes down to they're playing somewhat, you know, showing

1086
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 1: promising moves, who do you keep and and just risk

1087
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,720
Speaker 1: it for what it's worth? I believe, I mean Tapper

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00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: should have practice squad eligibility. Yeah, he's played like two

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Speaker 1: career games, but if he plays as well as you're

1090
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Speaker 1: suggesting in this scenario, you can't count on him clearing waivers. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and no doubt. But you know they say it every

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Speaker 1: year and I know we talk about all this stuff,

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00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 1: what's going to happen and move down the line, but

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00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: this stuff has a way of working itself out. Um,

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00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: you know, in practice, whether it be an injury or

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00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: a guy playing really well or not playing well or something. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know it's gonna two weeks from now, there's a

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Speaker 1: week from now. You know it's gonna be a little different. Well,

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Speaker 1: Derek who who won our fan favorite player? All right?

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00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 1: So we ran two different polls. The first one was

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Speaker 1: which defensive back fans are most interested in seeing most

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00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: excited to see Jeff Heath the winner? There he gettin

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00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: the vote I'm shocked to him or not? I'm actually not.

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Speaker 1: I think after that play he made in Oakland last year,

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Speaker 1: I think fans started he won a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: He did. Fans started to say, hey, let's be honest,

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Speaker 1: there weren't a lot of guys in his secondary. They

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Speaker 1: were making plays, not big plays, at a winning game.

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Speaker 1: And I don't say I'm shocked to dog Jeff Heath.

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Speaker 1: I say I'm shocked because you've got the young players

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Speaker 1: who I mean, Xavier Woods could be the next Pro

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Speaker 1: Bowl Cowboys safety or or Cheeto and Jordan have all

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Speaker 1: this potential. So the fact that they still went with

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Speaker 1: Heath is impressive. Iron Jones was second with twenty nine,

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Speaker 1: Cheeto with sixteen, Jordan with ten percent, and then Xavier

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Speaker 1: Woods was the last with seven percent. And then we

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Speaker 1: also ran a poll asking are you satisfied with Heath

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Speaker 1: and Woods as you're starting safeties? As we could expect,

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Speaker 1: it was that actually just dipped again. It was at

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Speaker 1: eighty eight percent. Now it's at ninety four percent. Just

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Speaker 1: went back up a little bit to seventy nine percent.

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Speaker 1: It's bouncing around a little bit, but it's that's just

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Speaker 1: pretty clear that it's a no. That's just because of

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Speaker 1: who people think they could have. Right, you're talking about

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Speaker 1: a guy again, a guy that will be in the

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame at some point as a safety, and

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Speaker 1: you have an opportunity to get him. Well, no matter,

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Speaker 1: but how good the guy out here is, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: He's not that guy. And in ten words or less,

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Speaker 1: just real quick, they just tell me how Xavier Woods

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Speaker 1: is playing out here? Uh, pretty good from what I

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Speaker 1: can tell. Look, okay, and you're the one, and we're

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Speaker 1: the ones that are telling these people what's happening, right,

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Speaker 1: So they don't know anything when Xavier Woods is no

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Speaker 1: different than that. They know he's six time Pro Bowl

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Speaker 1: or whoever is over there. So meanwhile, natural Earls on Instagram,

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Speaker 1: straight flexing, just posting post after post after post and

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Speaker 1: liking Cowboys posts and all that. That would be awesome

1139
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: dancing around. Let's go get hits on the site. You

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Speaker 1: think that would be a big traffic day. All right, guys,

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Speaker 1: that is all the time we have for today. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for tuning in for Nikki Men Derek Eagleton,

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