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Jake Wagner, he originally pleaded not 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:15.920 guilty to the murder of eight Rodent family members, saying 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:20.040 him say that he was guilty, I am guil It 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:24.880 just gives you a complete chills. Admitted to personally killing 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:27.160 five of the eight into trying to burn and get 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:29.040 rid of Avid. And he'll now avoid the death penalty 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:30.600 and spend the rest of his life in prison. If 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:34.399 I've done something to making that outrageously mad, he could 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:36.600 have killed me too. Wagners showed a little to no 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:39.280 emotion in cour today, just answering yes or no to 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:43.080 the judge. But his life was controlled all the time. 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:46.920 Special Prosecutor said the Wagners were a cult like family. 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:50.960 I think it was still Angelo behind the scene, control 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:57.480 and everything, like a little puppet master. This is the 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:01.919 Pikedon Massacre. Returned to Pike County season two, Episode two, 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:07.760 Cinnamon and hay M Courtney Armstrong, a television producer at 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:11.919 Katie Studios with Stephanie Ledecker and Jeff Shane. On April 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:15.240 twenty second, twenty twenty one, Jake Wagner pleaded guilty to 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:18.920 twenty three counts, including eight aggravated murder charges, in the 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:22.240 Rodin murder case. The motive behind the killings back in 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:26.239 twenty sixteen, according to prosecutors, was a custody dispute between 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:30.639 Jake and victim hannahme Rodin over their young daughter. As 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:33.520 it stands, the other three Wagners accused in the murders, 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:37.160 Jake's father Billy, mother Angela, and brother George, have all 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:40.920 pled not guilty. The day that Jake appeared in court 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:43.360 for his plea deal, we caught up with Christina Howard. 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:46.840 Her sister Tabby had a relationship with the accused eldest son, 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:49.960 George Wagner. The two were married and had a son together, 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:54.320 but eventually divorced. When you found out for a fact 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:58.920 that Jake was guilty, what was your reaction? My reaction 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:05.360 was like wow, in a way, kind of speechless, because 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:08.480 me and Hamm were friends when we were younger. You 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:14.760 never really think about somebody who is or once was 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:19.719 a friend, being able to take so many lives like that. 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:24.720 Last season, Christina told us a little bit about a 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:28.000 custody dispute that ensued between Tabby and George Wagner. After 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:30.640 the couple split up. It piqued our interest when we 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:33.000 heard about it, since it foreshadowed what was to come 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:36.919 for hannahme Roden. Christina was a little hesitant to divulge 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:39.480 too much last time we spoke, but in light of 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:42.160 Jake's please, she chose to delve into Tabby's story a 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:45.479 little more, and what we found is far darker and 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:49.880 much more disturbing than we could have ever imagined. What 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:54.960 follows is Christina's recollection of the events. Christina's relationship with 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:58.080 the Wagner family goes back to her childhood. Her mother 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:01.440 began working for grandmother of the acute used Frederica Wagner, 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:04.680 whom Christina affectionately refers to as Freddie. When she was 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:08.360 a kid, she was a grandmother too in a way. 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:12.000 I would go to work with my mother and I 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:16.440 would hang around Freddie a lot, and she treated my 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:20.680 family pretty kindly. On holidays, she would always get me 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:24.919 and my sister's presents, and I have Christmas dinners and 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:29.559 Easter dinners, and it was like, you know, us being 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:33.200 part of her family, and it was pretty nice. Eventually, 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:36.680 Christina and her sister Tabby met Frederica's grandsons, George and 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:40.159 Jake Wagner. Christina told Jeff that George and Tabby hit 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:42.920 it off and soon became a couple. They got together 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:45.640 when they were young teens. I think my sister was 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:50.240 like thirteen fourteen, you know, and they ended up liking 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:53.320 each other. Did you think that George was bad news? 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:58.200 He was a little bit of a travelmaker. Christina would 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:00.640 often tag along when Tabby went to visit George at 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:03.599 the Wagner's home. They had like this pretty little like 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:07.240 house up on the hill, and they had like their 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:11.200 own little pond up there. It was pretty isolated. They 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:15.040 had a privacy gate at the bottom that in order 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:17.400 to get in, somebody up at the top of the 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:22.679 house would have to come down and unlock it. Me, George, Jake, 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:26.719 and Tabby we would like go outside and you know, 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:31.880 do young dumb teenager kid type stuff and play tag, 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:36.720 jump on the trampoline and the treehouse and all that. 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:39.719 It was really fun and we could be as rowdy 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:42.320 as a noisy as we wanted because they didn't have 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:46.720 no neighbors whatsoever. While George and Tabby were hanging out, 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:49.919 Christina struck up a friendship with Jake Wagner. Jake was 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:52.520 actually a really nice kid. Me and him were kind 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:55.200 of friends. It was pretty cool. He was really nice, 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:59.120 kind of shy, who played video games, all that good stuff. 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:02.960 As a kid. Jake struck Christina as kind and almost 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:07.120 unusually empathetic. I remember in Jake's bedroom, you know, he 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:11.560 had his own little peev and video game system and 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:14.440 all that stuff, and he had this one stuff duck, 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:17.720 and it was like hanging on the wall or something, 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:20.240 and it kind of gave me the creeps whenever I'm 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:23.440 a little kid. And he was sweet enough to take 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:25.520 it off his wall and hide it in his closet 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:28.840 or something, because the game of the creeps. The more 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:31.360 time Christina spent at the home, the more familiar she 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:35.120 became with the boy's mother, accused murderer, Angela Wagner, she 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:38.960 sometimes referred to as Angie. Christina told Stephanie that on 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:42.080 the surface, everything about Angela Wagner seemed to personify the 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:46.400 typical all American mom. Out front was like this nice 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:52.520 little walk away with flowers and you know, the white 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:57.120 picket fence except in the country cotton deal. And then 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:00.360 like you go and find the house or the kitchen, 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:03.960 and then right beside the kitchen of the living room 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:07.600 and it's pretty big. They got like this huge section 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:12.760 all and a nice big TV. And the house smelled 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:17.360 like it kind of smelled like cinnamon mixed with hay. 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:20.080 I don't know if she could really imagine that, but like, 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:24.000 take some may got around everywhere and sprinkle some cinnamon 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:27.080 in it, and that's what it smelled. Watch Angela would 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:31.520 make us some snacks or some lunch or whatever. I 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:34.680 think even like maybe twice she made us dinner. It 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:37.720 was pretty good. She sounds like a homemaker, which is 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:41.080 again what makes it so shocking to imagine that she 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:47.760 had the ability to do something so horrific. Yeah, but 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:50.400 the more time Christina spent at the Wagner home, the 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:54.079 relationship between the Wagner boys and their mother came into focus. 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:57.400 They were always around their mom, no matter what their 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:03.840 mom said, went always. If they wanted to play outside longer, 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:08.360 if Angie said no, it was no. I yes, they 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:10.960 wanted to play their video games longer. If Andy said no, 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:15.400 it was no. Even if like they slightly disobeyed her, 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:18.440 she put her foot down, meaning like you better listen 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:22.040 to me, or I'm gonna book your butt, and they're 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:26.240 just like, all right, Mama, it didn't matter what Angie said. 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:31.680 That's what went. As the kids got older, Angela Wagner 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:35.160 seems to take more control over her boys lives, especially Jake. 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:39.160 We had a job somewhere and his mom like actually 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:42.800 made him quit the job because she said that the 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:47.240 job wasn't good enough for him, meaning Angela Wagner. Jake 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:51.280 Wagner's mom said, this job's over, it's not good enough 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:55.319 for you. Yeah. It's like, you know, your mom controls 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:59.960 your whole entire life. And it wasn't long before Angela 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:04.600 turned her controlling ways towards Christina's family. Angie made George 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:07.400 break up with Tabby because Angie didn't like my sister 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:11.720 because you know, George and Jake were Mama's boys and 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:14.160 ain't nothing in the world gonna be able to steal 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:19.360 her boys from her. She was just so controlling. Soon, 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:22.679 Angela Wagner's true colors began to shine through her all 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:26.440 American facade. In some photos that I've seen of Angela, 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:31.360 she looks smiley and she's pretty and just looks like 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:34.360 an all American mom. But then in other pictures like 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:38.160 her mugshot, for example, she's sort of grimacing and has 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:42.920 a scary vibe. What was she like in prison? In person, 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:49.439 she was the type you know, to talk about every 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:52.760 day stuff like how you do, and how's your family 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:56.520 and everything else like that. But it felt like whenever 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:59.319 she would talk to you, it felt like an act 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:02.160 because she was putting on like you know, she was 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:04.480 looking down on the kind of thing is At least 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:07.920 that's what I always picked up. She seemed like she 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:12.280 was put on a math makes people thank so she's 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:17.000 all right or whatever. But I never really did like her. 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:23.600 She just spooks me. After the Wagner family was arrested 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:26.679 in twenty eighteen, the family's unusual dynamic became a key 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:30.120 building block in the States case against Angela, Billy Jake, 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:33.440 and George Wagner. On August thirty first of last year, 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:36.240 George Wagner appeared in court for a pre trial hearing. 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:39.679 Special Agent Ryan Scheiterer of the Ohio Bureau of Criminal 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:44.280 Investigation testified that day. He provided details of what authorities 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:47.319 had uncovered about the Wagner's over two years of investigating. 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:52.000 Here's Prosecutor Angie Kaneppa questioning agent Scheiterer, how would you 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:56.000 describe the Wagner family. The Wagner family from what we 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:58.640 found through the investigation as well as their own admittances, 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:02.200 they're very close. When I say close, they lived together. 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:05.040 They've always lived together. There's not been a period of 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:07.560 time where George Wagner has not lived with his brother 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:13.240 or his mother. But their finances are intermingled. They worked together, 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:17.280 They've always worked together. They homeschool together, they raised their 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:21.480 kids together. Everything is done together. So from a birth 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:24.760 until the day they were arrested, they lived together. Yes. 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:28.280 Do you have an opinion as whether or not one 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:31.040 of them might strike out and go commit some Haynes 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:33.000 tiding with the out and the others knowing about it 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:37.719 or participating in it. No, we have an informant who 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:41.120 says that every decision within that family is made as 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:46.720 a family decision. Years after Angela Wagner forced George Wagner 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:50.520 and Tabby Howard's relationship to end, the couple rekindled their romance. 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:54.240 Soon after, Victim Hanname Rodins started going out with Jake 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:58.800 Wagner and the Rodens, Wagner's and Howard's became very close. 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:03.480 Hannah's brother Victim Frankie Rodin even joined the Phray. Hannah 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:06.600 and Tabby were best friends, and Hannah and Jake were together, 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:10.520 and Tabby and George were together, and Frankie would hang 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:13.120 out with him a lot because they were like best 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:15.880 friends with Frankie, I suppose, so they were always like 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:22.080 going out hunting and fishing and stuff. Then one day, 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:24.920 Tabby Howard came to her family with some surprising news. 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:28.520 She and George Wagner were getting married. We didn't know 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:34.680 anything about it until shortly before it, so Karen something 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:39.439 like us, like, wow, that's crazy. Instead of excitement, Christina 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:42.120 felt something much different based on her time spent around 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:45.679 the family and accused mother Angela Wagner in particular. It 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:49.840 just didn't feel right to me, and I thought I'd 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:53.080 speak my mind about it. I told her, I said, listen, 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:57.160 you don't want to marry him, And she said, well 0:13:57.200 --> 0:14:01.160 why not? I said, because his mom is very controlling. 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:05.000 I said, you want to wait a few years and 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:08.520 see how things go before you, you know, jump into 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:11.720 getting married to him and stuff. And she said, well, 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:14.800 you're just full of it. You don't know what you're 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:18.720 talking about. We love each other and everything, and Angie's 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:24.360 just trying to look out for me. So towards that part, 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:28.160 I feel like Angie, you know, like kind of turned 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:33.280 her against her family a bit more of like a 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:40.320 I don't need you and I'm gonna spend my time 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:43.800 with my new family. I get want her to get 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:47.400 married because of the way I felt, but I felt 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:51.160 like it wasn't my place, because you know, intervene. If 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:55.120 she's happy, let her be. If not, she'll figure it out. 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:01.480 On July first, twenty twelve, all three families gathered for 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:07.520 Tabby Howard and George Wagner's wedding. That was a normal, 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:11.400 pretty wedding. It was kind of country because you know type. 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:16.760 She had a camouflage dress and George she had a 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:20.520 camo tugs. Everybody's camouflage crazy around here. They love it. 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:24.160 Hanging up, you have somebody what their favorite collars and 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:27.400 they're like, oh, it's camouflage. Me and two of my 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:31.760 sisters and Hannah or her bridesmaids. The bridesmaids we wore 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:38.160 black dresses. And Jake was George's best man. Obviously, the 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:44.000 Wagoners were there. There was Freddy, George and Angela and 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:47.720 Billy and then some of the other Rodents were there 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:52.400 and I was walking down the aisle with Frankie. They 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:55.040 had a smash cake I guess you'd call it, you know, 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:57.800 where you smashing into each other's faces. It was a 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:01.840 really good wedding. Talk last episode about the photo of 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:04.760 the Rodents and Wagner's from Tabby and George's wedding, and 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:08.360 we can't stop looking at it because it's just so chilling. 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:13.040 The happiness on everyone's face is palpable. But Christina now 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:16.480 sees details in the pictures she never saw before. In 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:19.880 my mind, I feel like the people in the picture 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:26.040 should be sorted out differently, you know, like in this placement, 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:29.560 it's like Tabby and George just sent off to Spike 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:32.200 because even though they're getting married, they're not the like 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:38.000 the main attraction. And Angie is just like top center 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:42.800 wearing that white dress, like laughing in their face like 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:46.680 ha ha, y'all are beneath me. Yeah. I was gonna 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:49.600 ask you because people have different views. But some people 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:53.120 think you don't wear white to anyone else's wedding. You know, 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:55.800 why would aye wear white to another person's wedding? I mean, 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:58.640 you're not supposed to do that, because that is like 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:02.200 supposed to be like bad juju on the married couple, 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:06.320 like saying that I hope that your wedding don't wind 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:11.399 long kind of thing. It's clear that George Wagner and 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:14.200 Tabby Howard's wedding marked an inflection point in the lives 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:18.280 of all three families. After that day, nothing would ever 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:23.760 be the same. Shortly after the wedding, we stopped hearing 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:27.880 from her. The last thing that we heard from Tabby 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:33.160 was that she was pregnant was my nephew, and she 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:35.320 was given birth to him, and that was it. We 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:40.479 didn't get no pictures of him, no nothing. We didn't 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:46.040 hear anything from Tabby, nothing from Angela or George or anybody. 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:56.359 They just like straight up disappeared. We're going to take 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:58.560 a quick break here. We'll be back in a moment. 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:04.160 Like many of us, you might think identity theft will 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:07.240 never happen to you, but consider this. There's a new 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:10.680 identity theft victim every three seconds in the US. That's 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:13.480 over fifteen million people by the end of this year, 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:16.879 equal to the populations of New York, Los Angeles, and 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:21.440 Chicago combined. 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Everybody was just so concerned about my 0:21:50.880 --> 0:21:54.040 sister because we're like, you know, we literally have not 0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:59.639 heard a thing from her. Then one night, Tabby suddenly 0:22:03.240 --> 0:22:05.560 it was a call, like a random call in the 0:22:05.600 --> 0:22:08.080 middle of the night from a gas station, from a 0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:12.840 number we didn't know, and she's calling us, telling us, hey, 0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:15.240 can you come get me. I'm here at this gas station, 0:22:15.320 --> 0:22:18.400 and you know, we're freaking out, like, what's going on. 0:22:18.600 --> 0:22:21.040 We ain't heard nothing from you in a few years. 0:22:21.560 --> 0:22:24.000 She said, I don't really have time to explain, can 0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:28.160 come get me and all that. So we packed up 0:22:28.160 --> 0:22:30.440 in the car. It was me, my mom and dad 0:22:30.840 --> 0:22:34.000 to go get my sister. And then we get there 0:22:35.320 --> 0:22:38.600 and she's bawling her eyes out. She rode there in 0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:42.320 the middle of the night. It was raining cats and 0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:45.960 dogs outside. She's all wet and cold. She rode there 0:22:46.000 --> 0:22:52.680 on a bike, and the police showed up and put 0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:56.000 my sister in a car in the cock car, asking 0:22:56.040 --> 0:23:00.040 her what was going on and everything, and apparently he 0:23:00.160 --> 0:23:05.000 and George got into a fight. Angie called the cops 0:23:05.040 --> 0:23:08.080 on her and said that she was beating George and 0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:12.800 hitting was a two boy four and everything else, and 0:23:14.520 --> 0:23:17.920 tried to stab him with scissors and all this, And 0:23:18.200 --> 0:23:23.160 Tabby said that that wasn't how it happened. She said 0:23:23.200 --> 0:23:25.439 she was you know, I guess you got into a 0:23:25.480 --> 0:23:30.280 fight with George and Angie and George wouldn't like let 0:23:30.280 --> 0:23:33.880 her go and get his hands off of her. George 0:23:33.920 --> 0:23:38.080 didn't have any marks on him to prove that Tabby 0:23:38.119 --> 0:23:41.840 had beaten him. Tabby didn't have any marks on her 0:23:42.000 --> 0:23:45.080 to prove that he was putting his hands on her. 0:23:45.160 --> 0:23:48.720 So nobody got arrested, just Tabby just got questioned and 0:23:48.800 --> 0:23:52.800 all that, and then you know, she comes home with us, 0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:55.360 and you know, we're sitting there trying to catch up 0:23:55.400 --> 0:24:00.119 on everything with Tabby. Howard told her family that it 0:24:00.320 --> 0:24:04.480 was deeply disturbing. Here's Christina's recollection of her sister's story. 0:24:05.119 --> 0:24:09.440 According to Tabby, Angie wouldn't let her like have a 0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:15.280 phone nan. She always said that Tabby was crazy, and 0:24:15.560 --> 0:24:18.800 she was telling us all about how she was controlling, 0:24:18.960 --> 0:24:23.480 and Tabby said that she wasn't allowed to, you know, 0:24:23.560 --> 0:24:27.440 do anything with her kid, and Angie always said, no, 0:24:27.640 --> 0:24:33.600 you're not, you're crazy, You're an unfit mother. She said 0:24:33.600 --> 0:24:35.640 that she would all the time tell George about what's 0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:40.840 going on and everything, and George was like, oh, it's okay, 0:24:40.920 --> 0:24:45.040 you're just being dramatic. Mom wouldn't do that to you, 0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:50.680 and it's all for your own good blah blah blah. 0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:54.639 We're just looking out for you. But why would they 0:24:54.680 --> 0:24:57.919 do that? What would they have to gain from, you know, 0:24:58.040 --> 0:25:02.760 sitting there keeping my sisters they basically a prisoner and 0:25:03.560 --> 0:25:06.719 you know, sitting there like mentally abusing her and everything else. 0:25:07.840 --> 0:25:10.000 What would they have the game from it? Other than 0:25:10.080 --> 0:25:17.040 you know, my nephew. Christina's story about Tabby's escape from 0:25:17.040 --> 0:25:20.680 the Wagner household may sound outrageous. However, it was convincing 0:25:20.800 --> 0:25:23.520 enough for Agent Scheiterer to testify about it in court 0:25:23.640 --> 0:25:28.760 during George Wagner's hearing last year. Was George ever married? Yes? 0:25:29.080 --> 0:25:33.320 Who is he married to Tabitha? And did he still 0:25:33.400 --> 0:25:35.880 live with the family at the time during the time 0:25:35.880 --> 0:25:39.080 he was married to Tabitha? Yes, okay, So Tabitha lived 0:25:39.160 --> 0:25:45.360