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Become a member today and 10 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 2: you'll get access to our full shows, unedited, ad free, 11 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 2: and all put together for you every morning in your inbox. 12 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 3: We need your help to build the future of independent 13 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 3: news media and we hope to see you at Breakingpoints 14 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 3: dot com. 15 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 2: Joining us now is Congressman Rokhana, who is just back 16 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 2: from his trip to the occupied West Bank where he 17 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 2: was detained by illegal settlers and then by the IDF. 18 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 1: Great to see you, sir, Good to see you, sir. 19 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:45,919 Speaker 4: Thank you thanks for having. 20 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 5: Me back on Yeah, of course. So let's just start 21 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 5: with what happened here. 22 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 2: I can put these images and videos that you shared 23 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 2: on Twitter up on the screen and just tell us 24 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 2: what we're seeing and what happened to here. 25 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 4: We were at Zanuda Village. 26 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 6: It's a village that was destroyed by Ynan Levy and 27 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 6: his group extremist settlers. And we were looking at an 28 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 6: elementary school that had been raised to the ground. Other 29 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 6: members of Congress actually had been to that exact site. 30 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 6: And when we were there, these violent settlers start. 31 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 4: To yell at us, curse. 32 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 6: Us, they tell me, and the other Americans and some 33 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 6: of the Palestines with us get into our van. We 34 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 6: get into our van and we see twenty one twenty 35 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 6: two year olds brandishing m force kicking our tires, wiping 36 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 6: our windows, taking video of us. This lasts about twenty 37 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 6: twenty five minutes. Our interpreter goes out, speaks to them, 38 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 6: and they say, we don't care that they're Americans, we 39 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 6: don't care that there's a member of Congress. Now, the 40 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 6: IDF comes about twenty minutes into it, and I said, okay, 41 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 6: finally we're going to get through because they had blocked 42 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 6: our van from exiting the area on the road entrance, 43 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 6: and the IDF shockingly sides with the settlers. Now, at 44 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 6: first this was just my account, the security guard's account, 45 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 6: the New York Times photographer's account. It turns out this morning, 46 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 6: to break some news, there's actually body cameras of one 47 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 6: of the people in video one minute and fifteen minutes 48 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 6: video that just came out on Acts, which shows that 49 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 6: these IDF officers were siding with the settlers and further 50 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 6: blocked us in, and we were there seventy five minutes. 51 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 6: We had to call David Brownstein, who's the number two 52 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 6: or three person career person at the American embassy, who 53 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 6: reached someone senior in the Israeli government, and finally the 54 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 6: police came, and then the settlers left and the IDF left. 55 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 6: But it was a very tense situation. If we were 56 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 6: a Palestinian, I believe there would have been damage herrets 57 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 6: the Israeli papers as I got the VIP detention that 58 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 6: if we were Palestinian, it probably would have been beaten 59 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 6: or even killed. 60 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 4: But it just was awful. 61 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 6: And the fact that there is not international outrage that 62 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 6: Americans were detained, and that there's no investigation, no consequence, 63 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 6: it's just shocking. The Prime Minister's an ambassador were on 64 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 6: TV yesterday is lying. 65 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 66 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 3: But the Prime Minister of Israel, Prejident Netnyahu, was asked 67 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 3: about this your specific situation yesterday, he defended Israeli's conduct 68 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 3: let's take a listen. 69 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 7: Yeah, we're a country of laws, and people who break 70 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 7: the law, we take them to court. In the West Bank, 71 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 7: in Judean Siberia, we've had thousands, thousands of attempted attacks 72 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 7: and warnings against terrorist activities against innocent Israeli's families. Mother 73 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 7: where their children driving along the road, they're stopped by 74 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 7: terrorists and they killed them. And this has happened again 75 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 7: and again and again. There is a vigilante effort, not 76 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 7: by the settler community. They're ninety nine point nine percent 77 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 7: law abiding citizens. They work, they serve in the army, 78 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 7: and so on. There are one hundred and fifty juvenile 79 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 7: delinquents that are not part of that community. They come 80 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 7: from the other parts of Israel. We are I don't 81 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 7: want vigilantes of any kind, and we are working to 82 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 7: put them under the law. But I think if we 83 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 7: put things in perspective, we should see that we have 84 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 7: thousands of attacks and some few but obvious breaking of 85 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 7: the law. Then we apply the full measure of the 86 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 7: law against them. 87 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 3: A few bad apples, Congressmen, But he's saying, ultimately, their 88 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 3: nation of laws, how does it comport with your experience? 89 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 4: It's just a total untruth. 90 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 6: First of all, is he committed to arresting these extremest 91 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 6: settlers because their pictures are on social media. They are 92 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 6: affiliated with Janon Levy, who is not a delinquid youth. 93 00:04:54,120 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 6: Janon Levy murdered a Palestinian caught on camera in actually 94 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 6: met with Ottawa the Palestine, and he murdered his brother. 95 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 6: Khalil I saw the spot where Janan Levy murdered his brother. 96 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 6: I saw and heard the story of Ottawa's children, and 97 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 6: Khalil said that he has to see Janan Levy one 98 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 6: hundred two hundred feet and an illegal outpost, still a 99 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 6: free man, even though he murdered his brother. In that 100 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 6: same group of Junan Levy are the people who are 101 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 6: affiliated with the detaining US, detaining Americans in any other 102 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,559 Speaker 6: if any other nation did this, the first response would 103 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 6: be for the American President, American investador to demand the 104 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 6: arrest of these settlers who did this and demand an 105 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,919 Speaker 6: investigation for why the Israeli military four of those soldiers 106 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 6: assided with these settlers, So you know, the Prime mister 107 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 6: can call them juvenile delinquents. 108 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 4: They're not. 109 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 6: Obviously, they're connected to Janon Levey but he hasn't even 110 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 6: arrested them. Where are the arrests, Where is the investigation 111 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 6: into the IDF soldiers. 112 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 2: Some people are also saying that you wanted this to 113 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 2: happen to draw attention to yourself and to try to 114 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 2: create some political gain. Respond to that and also talk 115 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 2: about what was the reason that you decided to make 116 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 2: this trip and what impact did it have on you, 117 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 2: separate apart from this detention, which I'm sure was genuinely 118 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 2: a terrifying situation. 119 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 6: Well, those conspiracy theorists are as absurd as the people 120 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,919 Speaker 6: who say that President Trump wanted to get shot at 121 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 6: it a butler, I mean, who wants to have people 122 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 6: with enforced surrounding them parked outside a van, threatening them, 123 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 6: cursing at them, and then being detained for seventy five minutes. Obviously, 124 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 6: you know it was pales and compareson to what Palestinians 125 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 6: go through. But it's the most unsafe I felt in 126 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 6: my entire life, and the most powerless I felt in 127 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 6: my entire life. And the fact of this is that 128 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 6: what makes it inconvenient for the Israelis is that a 129 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 6: New York Times photographer was there, and people who speak 130 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 6: Hebrew It Israeli security guard was there, and there were 131 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 6: both Israelis and Palestinians. So there were about ten eyewitness 132 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 6: accounts of what took place. Now here's what bothers them. 133 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 6: Here's what they're calling a stunt. What bothers them is 134 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 6: that I went to Palestine to get the Palestinian perspective 135 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 6: in a Palestinian led tour, and that I didn't do 136 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 6: the obligatory visits to the Israeli government and to Israel. 137 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 6: I have been to Israel three times, I've done the 138 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 6: obligatory visits, the curated tours. I met with the two 139 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 6: Israeli prime ministers, including Prime Minister net Nyahu. 140 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 4: I have met heartbreaking. 141 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 6: Stories of Israeli hostage families, including John and Rachel poland 142 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 6: And who lost their son Hirsh and I condemned unequivocally 143 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 6: the October seventh terrorist attacks. But what they want to 144 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 6: say not because of me, because really they're fearful of 145 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 6: this is no American politician should go to Palestine in 146 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 6: the West Bank and get the Palestinian perspective. That they 147 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 6: should all come through Israel, that they should all come 148 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 6: through the advocacy groups and my cardinal sin while they're 149 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 6: calling it a stunt, as. 150 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 4: I refuse to do that. 151 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 6: And this is why for seventy five years, the American 152 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 6: people haven't had the facts because when our videos come out, 153 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 6: and I appreciate that this has been about Americans and me, 154 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 6: but the real story I want to come out is 155 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 6: the daily life of Palestinians. And I hope the platform 156 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 6: I have and the attention this trip has garnered will 157 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 6: allow people to watch some of these videos. They are 158 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 6: going to be horrified. It is clear apartheid. I used 159 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 6: to toss that word around academically. 160 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 4: I felt it. I saw it. 161 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 6: I saw Palestinians who don't have enough water to flush 162 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 6: their toilets or wash their clothes, while Israeli settlers are 163 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 6: getting four times the water. I met the father of 164 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 6: someone who had lost a fourteen year old son Palestinian American, 165 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 6: who admits that the Palastine American kid was throwing rocks, 166 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 6: but the idea of soldiers shot him twenty one times. 167 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 6: And you know what, his bedroom is still left the 168 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 6: same way because the parents are grieving and there's no justice. 169 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 6: He can't get any justice for his son. I saw 170 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 6: the school shooting. I saw the blood of a kid 171 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 6: who was murdered, and talked to the principal that was 172 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 6: never asked about what happened that day. Doesn't know whether 173 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 6: the shooter is going to face justice. I saw Palestinian homes. 174 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 6: The people were multimillionaires. You know, someone saying, oh, ro 175 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 6: you were in a village with multimillionaires. Yeah, they're Palestinian 176 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 6: Americans were multimillionaires who when they get to Palestine are 177 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 6: treated as Palestinians and dirt. Whose houses are being vandalized, 178 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 6: who are being beaten up or telling me the stories 179 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 6: of being beaten in checkpoints. This is not politics, this 180 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 6: is humanity. 181 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 3: Congressman, did anybody from the US government say anything on 182 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 3: your behalf, the ambassador, the President, the Vice print, Did 183 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 3: anybody do anything to help you after your illegal detention? 184 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 6: You know, I want to again recognize David Brownston, who's 185 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 6: a career person at the embassy, and I'm not sure 186 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 6: that we would have made it out if it were 187 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 6: not for his courage and his follow up. I mean, 188 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 6: he was on the phone with us and on the 189 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 6: phone with the Israeli government pushing for the police to come, 190 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 6: and he was gracious to check in with us afterwards. 191 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 6: But while I've had colleagues from both sides of the 192 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 6: isle in the House reach out to me and other 193 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 6: elected officials, I have not heard anything from the administration. 194 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 4: And it shouldn't be just about me. 195 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 6: There were four Americans on that bus. Now this happens 196 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 6: to Palestinians in a much bigger way all the time. 197 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 6: But there are four Americans on the bus. There's an 198 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 6: American government official. We're being illegally detained and threatened, the 199 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 6: foreign government's militaries involved, and we're just going to stand 200 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 6: quiet while the prime minister of that country is lying 201 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 6: about any accountability, I mean to everyone with an American passport. 202 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 2: Congressman, I really appreciate you highlighting the stories of the 203 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 2: Palestinians that you met, and we look forward to seeing 204 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 2: the videos that you put out about their experiences and 205 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 2: the oppression they experience. You also mentioned to The New 206 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 2: York Times how much you felt that your brown skin 207 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 2: impacted your treatment there, and I assume when you said 208 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 2: that you could feel the apartheid yourself, that's part of 209 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 2: what you're referring to. Could you just elaborate on that 210 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 2: and what that experience was like for you. 211 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 4: I've never felt my race as acutely. You know. 212 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 6: I was born in nineteen seventy six. I grew up 213 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 6: in Pennsylvania. Was there a time that someone said, hey, 214 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 6: go back to India on a basketball court? Sure, but 215 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 6: by and large in this country, while I'm aware of, 216 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 6: of course, our history of race, I personally haven't felt that. 217 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 6: As soon as I got into the West Bank. 218 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 4: I started to feel it the first. 219 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 6: Time when I was on the Israeli occupied side of Hebron, 220 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 6: and I was there with one of my aides, a 221 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 6: young guy, Cam Caski, white Jewish American Ben Linder. A 222 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 6: friend was also Jewish and in Israeli a Nadav, a 223 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 6: white Israeli And there were the four of us and 224 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 6: we were walking and suddenly the guards come up and 225 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 6: they don't say anything to the other three people, but 226 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 6: they single me out and they say, are you the 227 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 6: son of Isaac or the son of Ishmael? Meaning am 228 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 6: I a Christian or a Muslim? And I say I'm 229 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 6: a Hindu. And they have no idea what that is. 230 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 6: And I could tell that they were so troubled that 231 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,839 Speaker 6: this person, brown person was in this delegation, even though 232 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 6: I was in a suit and addressed as I usually 233 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,839 Speaker 6: dressed as a member of Congress, and every checkpoint we 234 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 6: were going through, suddenly the security guard would spend more 235 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 6: time talking to me. And the look in those settler's eyes, 236 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 6: the laughter that they had, the disdain they had, I 237 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 6: don't think they could believe someone like me was in Congress, 238 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 6: or perhaps even American. 239 00:12:57,840 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 4: Look. 240 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 6: I don't want to make this about me, because the 241 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 6: indignities that the Palestinians face are hundreds of times worse. 242 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 6: But what I will say is that it is apartheid, 243 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 6: and it's apart tid through a racialized lens, and that 244 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 6: if you are brown in Palestine you are going to 245 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 6: face that kind of racism in their first day. 246 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 3: There last question for you, sir, I know you have 247 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 3: to go in a minute. We can put the quote 248 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 3: up here. You did describe yourself here to the New 249 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 3: York Times as a long shot presidential candidate. So do 250 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 3: you want to make any news here with your intentions. 251 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 3: It's not very often you hear a politician describe themselves 252 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 3: that way. 253 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 6: Well, I think I should have said potential, But you know, 254 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 6: here was my point. I want everyone who aspires to 255 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 6: run to lead this party, to lead our country to 256 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 6: actually go and see the facts on the ground and 257 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 6: what Israel. Why is Israel being so vehement in taking 258 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 6: me on, Why are they having DFMI in all releasing videos? 259 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 6: They want to discourage other politicians from doing this. And 260 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 6: the point I was really trying to make is free 261 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 6: advice to the Israelis. It's not going to work to 262 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 6: be detaining American politicians, and it's not going to work 263 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 6: if they try to tighten up their policies and prevent 264 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 6: others from taking the trips that I did. The only 265 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 6: reason this situation has continued for seventy five years is 266 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 6: because Americans haven't gotten the look on the ground that 267 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 6: I did. I feel like I didn't know what was 268 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 6: really going on until I got there, and I feel 269 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 6: guilty for having been to Israel a few times and 270 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 6: not done that. And I hope in this point that 271 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 6: my evolution on this issue should give others a sense. 272 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 6: I did not start out as an activist on this issue. 273 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 6: I didn't have the clarity that Crystal had on genocide 274 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 6: right away. We've had arguments on this show where it 275 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 6: took me a while to take get there. But when 276 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 6: I saw this firsthand. These are stories I will never forget, 277 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 6: and I just wish more Americans would go there on 278 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 6: the ground and see this or listen to the voices 279 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 6: that some of the journalists are trying to uplift. And 280 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 6: if they did, they would see the gross injustice of 281 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 6: what's going on. 282 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think you're right that that's exactly what 283 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 2: they're afraid of. That's why I no international journals are 284 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 2: allowed in Gaza. That's why there's all this social media 285 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 2: crackdown and criminalization of descent here in the US, because 286 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 2: when people truly absorb what is happening in the humanity 287 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 2: of Palestinians completely changes the way that they are viewing 288 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 2: the world. So convers from Rocannor thank you so much, 289 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 2: first money some time with us this morning, and for 290 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 2: taking this trip and taking the risk that was involved 291 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 2: with it. 292 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: Thank you, sir, app share your. 293 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 4: Time, thank you, appreciate you guys. 294 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 2: So, in a significant escalation in his war against the media, 295 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 2: that Trump dooj has subpoenaed a number of New York 296 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 2: Times journalists. Let's go ahead and put this tear sheet 297 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 2: up on the screen. Times journalist subpoena as Trump escalates 298 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 2: pressure on media. The Trump administration issued subpoenas on Friday 299 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 2: to several journalists for The New York Times after the 300 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 2: news outlet reported this week on security concerns involving President 301 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 2: Trump's new Katari donated air Force one. 302 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 5: The subpoenas, which seek to. 303 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 2: Force the reporters to testify before a federal grand jury 304 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 2: in Manhattan on Wednesday, were an extraordinary escalation in Trump's 305 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 2: efforts to threaten and intimidate independent news organizations. In some cases, 306 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 2: those subpoenas were delivered by federal agents who showed up 307 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 2: at reporters' homes. The Times denounced the administration's actions, quote, 308 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 2: the appearance of federal law enforcement agents on the doorstep 309 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 2: of news reporters should shock the conscience of any American 310 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 2: who believes and the Constitution and the press freedom that 311 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 2: it protects. Our journalists report the facts in advanced American 312 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 2: public's right to know how their government is operating and 313 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 2: their taxpayer dollars. 314 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 5: Are being used. 315 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 2: This brazen actually be seen as nothing more than an 316 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 2: attempt to prevent the public from knowing what is happening 317 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 2: in their country by intimidating journalists and from doing their jobs. 318 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 2: They go on to say that there weren't a lot 319 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 2: of details in terms of what the subpoenas contained, but 320 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 2: they were in regard to an alleged violation of federal 321 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 2: criminal law. And we do know that this tracks back 322 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 2: to this report on the fact that Trump had to 323 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 2: depart Turkey on the old Air Force One rather than 324 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 2: the new Katari Air Force One out of some unspecified 325 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 2: security concerns. It appears that this may be related to 326 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 2: the Israeli claims that Iran was planning some sort of 327 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 2: assassination attempt on Trump. I guess the idea being that 328 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 2: they were going to try to assassinate him while he 329 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 2: was on route, and they had more capability to avoid 330 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 2: that or detect that on the old Air Force One 331 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 2: versus the new one. But needless to say, the specter 332 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 2: of federal agents turning up at journalists homes New York 333 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 2: Times journalists homes for reporting reality about what was going 334 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 2: on here is a very very troubling situation. 335 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: That's scary. I mean, prepared as well, lockdown mode. 336 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 3: Everybody should use it, highly recommend But yeah, I mean, 337 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 3: what you can what's crazy about this? It is all 338 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 3: just about this Air Force One situation is that Trump 339 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 3: is humiliated and embarrassed because he hyped up this Qatar 340 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 3: what was it, the Boeing seven thirty seven, which was 341 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 3: gifted by Katar, gifted which they then had to I apologize, Yes, 342 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 3: seven forty seven eight, which was gifted by Katar, which 343 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 3: then I believe we spent several billion dollars retrofitting said 344 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 3: jet to meet Air Force one requirements. Because air Force one, 345 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 3: I mean, some of this is like cinema, but it 346 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 3: genuinely does have Oh it can survive a nuclear blast, 347 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 3: it can do this, it can do that. And that's 348 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 3: what's crazy expensive. It's all highly classified and all of that. 349 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 3: I actually saw Air Force one a couple of times 350 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 3: and there is like, you know, all this stuff that's 351 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 3: around it. 352 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: All right. 353 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 3: So what it means, though, is that this had to 354 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 3: be retrofitted because it wasn't built to specification. Well recently, 355 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 3: what happened is that this Israeli intelligence was given to 356 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 3: the United States, and I guess Secret Service US you 357 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 3: have to take that all very seriously. And so what 358 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 3: they did is they looked because Trump was abroad on 359 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 3: the Qatari Air Force one, and he said, oh, the 360 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,360 Speaker 3: Secret Service apparently told him, you can't use it. You're 361 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 3: not allowed to use this because it doesn't have whatever 362 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 3: the anti missile defense system that you properly need in 363 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 3: order to fly on it. So they actually had to 364 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 3: bring the old Air Force one over to Europe and 365 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 3: Trump had to use that to fly to his next leg. 366 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 3: What you'll notice is, as a frequent reader of Trump's 367 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 3: truth social is that he had justified it basically saying 368 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 3: he was going to use it as a museum piece. 369 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 3: He's like, well, we're bringing it so that people can 370 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 3: see it as part of the museum. Maybe that's a 371 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 3: whole kakamami story. But it turns out that it's all 372 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 3: about this now. According to more recent reporting from Maggie 373 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 3: Haberman and other that was just released after these subpoenas 374 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 3: were released, is Trump was humiliated and embarrassed by the 375 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 3: revelation that it's about his personal project. Air Force one 376 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 3: was not up to snuff as Air Force one, and 377 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 3: so he has then ordered Cash Patel, let's put E 378 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 3: two up here on the screen. Cash Patel has now 379 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 3: been directed by the White House to oversee this investigation, 380 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 3: so much so that the investigation is not being led 381 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 3: out of the FBI building, but from the white House itself. 382 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 3: Trump Cash was mister Patel scuttled a planned trip to 383 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 3: Chicago and spent roughly eight hours at the White House 384 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 3: on Friday. Apparently he was on the tarmac even Cash 385 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 3: it was actually working. 386 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I don't know. 387 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 3: I don't know if it's working on his plane to 388 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 3: whether it was to go see his girlfriend perform or something. 389 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 1: I don't know. 390 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 3: Quote running the investigation from the White House rather than 391 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 3: FBI headquarters quote a departure from his historical practice. Patel 392 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 3: had then briefed multiple administration officials the white House's deep 393 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 3: involvement comes from Trump was enraged about the coverage of 394 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 3: the Katari donated plane. Patol's role in the investigation quote 395 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 3: reflects a further dismantling of the wall that had previously 396 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 3: separated the White House and FBI, and the government's effort 397 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 3: to immediately seek information from journalists when such cases are 398 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 3: typically centered first on identifying internal wrongdoing, comes as the 399 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 3: Trump administration has intensified pressure on news organizations. 400 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: So that's what this entire stupid thing was about. 401 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 3: We wish that we could say it was all a 402 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 3: very about something actually important. 403 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: You know, it's not so imagine all this. 404 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 5: Is interesting the things that actually get under Trump's. 405 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 3: Because think think about that, how much classified information has 406 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 3: been reported by Ryan on this show, by the New 407 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 3: York Times about Iran. 408 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,360 Speaker 1: They don't do anything. Nobody's knocking anybody's out. 409 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 3: And you maybe I'm not saying you should, but you 410 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 3: could make a call for that whenever, like for munition's inventories, 411 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,479 Speaker 3: whenever it would report about the amount of munition. 412 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: I could see. I'm not saying you justify it. 413 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 3: It would probably be popular in another day and age, 414 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,120 Speaker 3: like if the war was popular, like yeah, he's helping 415 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 3: the enemy or something like that. 416 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 1: They don't bust anybody's door down for that. It's some 417 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: stupid shit about this Katari jet. Yeah, I mean, I'm sorry, 418 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:15,360 Speaker 1: who cares? Yeah, nobody think. 419 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 3: By the way, if you hadn't brought attention to it, 420 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 3: nobody would have cared at all. 421 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 1: But now now it's the whole thing. 422 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 3: You're going to bust a guy's doordown and try to 423 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 3: break the First Amendment because of your jet doesn't isn't 424 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 3: up to snuff. 425 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 5: It's crazy, yeah, it is. 426 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 2: And so apparently the situation with this original article is, 427 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 2: and this is very common when you're reporting anything with 428 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 2: regard to national security. There's this whole dance where if 429 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 2: they can persuade a news outlet that it genuinely would 430 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 2: compromise national security to put publish this information, then they won't. 431 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 2: And so there's this, you know, dance that goes on 432 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 2: where the administration tries to persuade the journals like no, no, no, 433 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 2: you really can't put this out because here's the problem 434 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 2: that is going to cause. And so apparently a senior 435 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 2: official at the FBI had contacted a reporter and a 436 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 2: senior editor at the Times. They had asked that the 437 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 2: article be held, calling it an issue of national security. 438 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 2: The Times was like, no, I don't think that it is, 439 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 2: so we're going to go forward and publish. And then 440 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 2: you know, after that, they also asked the Times to 441 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 2: disclose their sources for the article, which obviously the Times 442 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 2: is not going to do, and the newspaper refused to 443 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 2: do so. So then now we have these subpoenas where 444 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 2: you're trying to intimidate journalists. I mean, you know, you 445 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 2: imagine a federal agent shows up at your house, starves you. 446 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 2: A subpoena you got to go testify before this grand jury. 447 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 2: That's the idea here. It's not the first time that 448 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 2: they've used this tactic, by the way, They're not the 449 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 2: only administration that has done this sort of thing either, 450 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 2: but they have done it more frequently than past administrations 451 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 2: have done. Earlier this year, they had tried to compel 452 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 2: testimony from journalists at the Washington Post. You remember that 453 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 2: one same thing, they showed up at our door. They 454 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 2: seized I think her laptop and some other information from 455 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 2: her house, the Wall Street Journal and the Washington Post. 456 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 2: The Justice Department then withdrew those subpoenas after both news 457 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 2: organizations fought back and sealed filings. So we'll see where 458 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 2: this one goes if these journalists actually end up having 459 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 2: to testify. But not a good situation and also very 460 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 2: revealing about what sorts of things get under Trump's skin. 461 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 2: I do want to quickly bring up and we should 462 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 2: probably spend another day, some more significant time on this. 463 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 2: But they're also targeting Sean Fain, who's the president of 464 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 2: the United Auto Workers. You can put E five up 465 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 2: on the screen. This is Sean Fain's statement saying you 466 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 2: know that he's remained silent on political infighting in his 467 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 2: union over the past two years. It only distracts from 468 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 2: our mission, but people deserve to know the truth. He 469 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 2: says that Rich Boyer, who is a political adversary of 470 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 2: Sean Fain's within the Union, has fed the Federal Monitor 471 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 2: false allegations and is now trying to weaponize these bogus 472 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,199 Speaker 2: allegations to steal the upcoming UAW election. He knows he 473 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 2: can't win a fair fight because he has no real 474 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 2: platform to run on the TLDR here because the Trump 475 00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 2: DOJ is also investigating Sean Faine, put the sixth up 476 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,679 Speaker 2: on the screen. This is some details from local news 477 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 2: about the DOJ probing Sean Fain assessing legal options. Faine 478 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 2: is assessing legal options after the DOJ investigation was launched. 479 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 2: The TLDR here according to Sean Fain is that this 480 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 2: other guy who is challenging him for UAW president was 481 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 2: very unhappy about the fact that the Union came forward 482 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 2: and took a stance against the genocide in Gaza, and 483 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 2: Sean Fain has been the labor leader who has been 484 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 2: most outspoken about the genocide and Gaza. In fact, I 485 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 2: can't really think of another labor leader who's said anything 486 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 2: about it. So he's really been quite unique in that regard. 487 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 2: There was a process through the board to issue a statement, 488 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 2: and so they've been quite clear cut. They've endorsed anti 489 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 2: genocide candidates like Abdellahl Sayad in Michigan for example, and 490 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 2: so this guy, Rich Boyer is running against him, was really. 491 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,360 Speaker 5: Pissed off about that. They are also outther. 492 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: Why was you mad? 493 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 2: I know, yeah, apparently it was pro Israel, and so 494 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 2: he was upset that they had taken a stance on 495 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 2: the issue. And so separately, UAW is under one of 496 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 2: these consent decrees. They have to be monitored from some 497 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:15,239 Speaker 2: prior some corruption that happened before Sean Faine's tenure. So 498 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 2: they have to always be interacting with this federal monitors 499 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 2: always checking, you know, making sure that they are incorrupt 500 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 2: dealings going on. So his rival within the union fed 501 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 2: the monitor these allegations that Sean Fayne's claimed. But in 502 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 2: any case, he's being targeted and investigated and courting to him, 503 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 2: it's based on his you know, his outspoken advocacy for Palestine. 504 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's well, that's according to Faine. I don't know, 505 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 3: I mean, this is all internal uada. I'm not saying 506 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 3: it's justified or whatever. But obviously Sean Fain is going 507 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,719 Speaker 3: to be a target of Trump because he endorsed Joe Biden. 508 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: He was probably I would say, the biggest left leader 509 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: to back Biden. 510 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 4: Yeah. 511 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: I can't really think of another person. 512 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 3: I mean, you could say Bernie and AOC, but like 513 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 3: he went to the mat for Joe Biden. 514 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 2: Well it's interesting though, because I don't know if you recall, 515 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 2: during the whole Tariff Liberation Day thing, Sean Fayn came out, 516 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 2: yeah he's know this, which was you know, I mean 517 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 2: I disagreed with him, but he was looking out for 518 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 2: I think this will benefit auto industry and we need 519 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 2: to you know, we need to not just throw tariffs 520 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 2: out entirely. 521 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 5: There was a lot of we talked about it at. 522 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 2: The time, a lot of neoliberal like this is why 523 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 2: tariffs are just bad, period, end of story, which I 524 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 2: also profoundly disagree with. So in some ways, it's not 525 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 2: like he's been a hardline Trump derangement syndrome. Anything Trump 526 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 2: does is bad. But obviously this administration has targeted any outspoken, 527 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 2: you know, supporters of Palestine opponents of the genocide in Gaza, 528 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 2: and so that appears to be according again to Sean Faine, 529 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:38,919 Speaker 2: that appears to be what's. 530 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:39,479 Speaker 1: Going It could be here. 531 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 3: I seem to think, I feel like there's something bigger 532 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 3: at play. It could be that this whoever guy is 533 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 3: made a deal with Trump. That makes a lot more 534 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 3: sense is that whoever his internal opponent is made a 535 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 3: deal about up and. 536 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: Was like, look, we can use this as you. 537 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 5: Know, they could get away in the Teamsters exactly. 538 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, you go to the Dreamsters at the very I 539 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,360 Speaker 3: find it hard to believe, you know, this current age 540 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 3: because you know, as popular as Trump was with some 541 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 3: of the UAW members and we won a decent portion 542 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 3: of the actual membership vote this time around. I mean, 543 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 3: I can't imagine that being massively pro Trump is like 544 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 3: going to be all that popular, yeah, or even within. 545 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: The team Shirts. 546 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 3: I mean, Sean O'Brien he made a huge bet, you know, 547 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 3: that he could extract some stuff from Trump. 548 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,919 Speaker 1: I don't think it's been all that successful. It had 549 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 1: a chance. 550 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 3: I mean, I'll defend his ability to do so, but 551 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 3: it had a chance. 552 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: But at this point it hasn't really worked out. 553 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 2: It made some more tactical sense when Sean O'Brien did it. 554 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, But Trump was going to get. 555 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 2: Way one right, You're like, Okay, I'll be close to 556 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 2: him and maybe I can get a little something and 557 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 2: the teamsters can be protected, which again hasn't really happened 558 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 2: in terms of Trump's been terrible for labor, terrible for 559 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 2: the economy in general. 560 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: And his labor sack left. I mean, we hadn't. We 561 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: didn't spend enough time covering because I think that happened 562 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: during Iran. 563 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 8: But his labor secretary, she was pushed down because of 564 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 8: corruption and also her husband was apparently like running around 565 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 8: the Department of Labor like harassing, sexually asking women, so 566 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 8: allegedly alleged they got pushed down. 567 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 2: But yeah, it has not been a pro labor administration 568 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 2: in any way, which of course was predictable. But yeah, 569 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 2: at this point, if you're a labor leader coming in 570 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 2: when Trump is dismally unpopular, losing support among every you know, 571 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 2: certainly working class demographic, to then be at this time 572 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 2: like let me cozy up to Trump wouldn't make a 573 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 2: lot of sense, but it makes sense. 574 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for watching. We appreciate it. 575 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: We're about to do AMA, and we'll see you all 576 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: tomorrow