1 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: It's usually sort of hang on for deal life, and 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:08,639 Speaker 1: there's twenty or thirty guys in after Thursday and fifth 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: day and after Friday, and then gradually get down in 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: the last night hols and there's only two or three left, 5 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: you know, and it's just got that real feel of 6 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: the hoho can hang on. And I just think there's 7 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: something uniquely special about that. I mean, as I said, 8 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: it's probably not that much fun to play, but incredibly 9 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 1: rewarding to play. Well. Another log on the fire Nobody 10 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: here is give the Time. Hello. This is Alan Shipknuck 11 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,480 Speaker 1: back for another Fire Drill podcast, sitting on the couch 12 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: next to me. Uh. Michael Bamberger, Ryan French beamed in 13 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: from the other side of the world. Jeff Ogilvie shout 14 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: out to the Arcadian Hotel here in Brookline that it's 15 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: our host this week and they've taken care of us, 16 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 1: and uh, we're very grateful for the hospitality. I also 17 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: like to thank our corporate sponsors who get us here 18 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 1: and help us keep the lights on. That would part 19 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 1: points our favorite scoring app. It's quite ingenious. We encourage 20 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: you guys to check it out. A fun way to 21 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: to mix things up. When you're playing with your buddies, 22 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 1: your family or whomever. And of course I'd like to 23 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: mention our long time corporate partners, Link Soul. Uh. There 24 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: was actually I got swept into this debate on Twitter. 25 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: Someone just randomly tweeted anybody anybody out there still wear 26 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: like cotton clothing on the golf course. I was like, hell, 27 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 1: yeah to me, it's so much more comfortable. I don't 28 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 1: want all that synthetic stuff scratching at my skin like 29 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: uh one of my John Travolta wearing polyester now and 30 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: Links Soul, as we know, makes by far the most 31 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: comfortable soft is stuff out there. They do have some 32 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: a few synthetic things if that's your jam, But um, 33 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: you know, we love Link Soul and we all wear 34 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: it and we're grateful. So let's get to this podcast. 35 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: So let's start with the country Club as a venue. Um, 36 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: who joke is it? They couldn't find a better name, No, 37 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: nothing good, Peter Jacobson, they couldn't come up with a 38 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: name that's so great. But it really it's a special place. 39 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I hadn't been back on the ground since 40 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: the ninety nine Ryder Cup, and I love just the 41 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: rock outcroppings and the land forms, and it feels like 42 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: this place is as old as time and it has 43 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: a real stateliness. Ryan, I know this was your first 44 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: day at the US Open. You've got to go out 45 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: there and walk a practice round. What were you impressions 46 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: of the course and just just being at the US Open. 47 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: Let's start there. Yeah, I mean, it's it's surreal on 48 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: a personal level. But also I've been to a lot 49 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: of tour events and been lucky enough to caddy and 50 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: see these guys in corn ferre events from Monday qualifiers 51 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: or tour events, and like chipping and putting around the 52 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:55,399 Speaker 1: green in a practice round is just so common and 53 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: just you don't even pay attention. But today to watch 54 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: players like hit little you know, dribbling shanks and literally 55 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 1: with and just stumble kind of all over themselves, it's 56 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: just I mean, it's it's what makes the US Open 57 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: the u s Open, and you the few groups I follow, like, 58 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: they all talk about it as they leave the green like, whoa, 59 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: this place is really hard and uh And obviously I 60 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 1: filed a qualifier, so I was like, Luke, how hard 61 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: is this on a scale of one to tend? He said, 62 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: probably a thirteen. For the listeners who haven't had chance 63 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: to read your story, just briefly talk about the person 64 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: you're following this week and why you chose him. Yeah, 65 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: Luke Annon, And I mean just kind of what makes 66 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: the U s open my favorite uh major obviously or 67 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: my favorite event is you know you can be Luke Annon, 68 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: who's a mini tour player. Um, you know, he told 69 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: me in the interview for the story he hasn't won 70 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: since he was a sophomore. An amateur event in Kansas 71 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: is sophomore year in college. And uh, his dad's a preacher, 72 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: and he worked as a janitor from age thirteen to 73 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: four years old and when he turned pro that's how 74 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: he made it for a while before he got some 75 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: financial help. Is he worked two weeks on as the 76 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: janitor at his dad's church and then two weeks playing, 77 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: and then two weeks back as the janitor. And it 78 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: just kind of like what the US Opened to me entails. 79 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: It just is for the dreamers. You're you're gonna look 80 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: up and down the leader board and for the casual 81 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 1: golf and it's going to be a bunch of no 82 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: names mixed in with a bunch of the big names, 83 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: and it's what makes the U s Open great that, Um, 84 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: you know, does he have a chance? Probably not no, 85 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: but does he think he has a chance, of course. 86 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: And you know I made even as simple as a 87 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: made cut Alan is so huge for this guy. It's 88 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: gonna guarantee whatever last places thirty five th dollars or 89 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 1: forty thou dollars, and that can keep his dream going. 90 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: I mean, he was out of money at Sectional Space. 91 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 1: Really he considered. He told me I probably wouldn't have 92 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 1: gone if I had got money back if I were 93 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: able to get money back from my flight, but I 94 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: can only get flight credit, so I decided to go anyway, 95 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: and he got through. So it's just, uh, what what 96 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: makes this championship special? From the guys I follow? I 97 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 1: love that Jeff, your name is on the trophy. I 98 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: know this is a special week for you in your words? 99 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 1: What makes the US Open the US Open? Ryan touched 100 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: on it there a little bit. Um those practice rounds, 101 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: when I mean we start hearing about a month before, 102 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: it's like, oh my god, you've been a Brooklyn yet, 103 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: You've been a Wingfoot, yet you've been This is the 104 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: hardest one we've ever had gone over the top. This 105 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: is gonna be the hardest thing we've ever seen. And 106 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: sure enough, on Monday, the whole field is chipping fifty 107 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 1: bowls around every grain and walking around and like shaking 108 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 1: their head and rolling their eyes of their caddies saying 109 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: that done it again. This is really hard. This is 110 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: really hard. But they're fun times. I mean, it's it's 111 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: I think for those who play, if for that for 112 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: golf is their thing, I mean, competitive golf is their thing. 113 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: It's sort of the ultimate test. Sometimes it's a little 114 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: over the top, but that's kind of part of the fun, 115 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: I think. I mean, it's easier to say now that 116 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 1: I'm sitting here talking about it rather than doing it. 117 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: It's part of the fun. But um, they're big weeks, 118 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: and it's just on a scale that I mean, the 119 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: Open Championship gets to a little sort of similar sort 120 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: of scale and a different feeling. I mean, the Masters 121 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 1: is quite intimate in a way. I mean, it's quite 122 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,559 Speaker 1: obviously a massive event. It's not very intimate outside the gates, 123 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: but once you're inside Augusta, it's quite an intimate field. 124 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: The US Open is anything but intimate feeling. It's just 125 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:41,119 Speaker 1: absolutely massive, big structures, big stands, massive tense tons of people. 126 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 1: From Monday morning, everybody's there. It's loud, um, and it's 127 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: just it's a loud course. Like it's just it's just hard. 128 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: From the first hole every path forwards like a part five. 129 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 1: Greens are tough, pins are tough, and it's just it's 130 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 1: one of those really really really low grinding weeks in 131 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: pro golf that when you actually play well, it's right. 132 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: It's not really I wouldn't say playing well in the 133 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: US Open is fun, but it's infinitely satisfying, probably the 134 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: most rewarding round you can play as anything near bar 135 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: or under. Part of it was open because you've just 136 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: you've come up with some some special stuff eighteen times 137 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: in a row. Like, it's just it's just a great challenge. 138 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: And coming down the stretch, coming on the weekends, they're 139 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: fantastic tournaments. Um, it's sort of battle of attrition, survival 140 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: of the fittest rather than then no one's really running 141 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: away and he was opening very rarely. It's usually sort 142 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: of hang on for dear life. And there's twenty or 143 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: thirty guys in after Thursday and fifth day and after 144 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: Friday and then gradually get down to the last nine 145 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: holes and there's only two or three left, you know, 146 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: and it's just got that real feel of the who 147 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: can hang on? And I just think there's something uniquely 148 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: special about that. I mean, as I said, it's probably 149 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: not that much fun to play, but incredibly rewarding to 150 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: play well. Jeff, this is just a question that I like, obviously, 151 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: outside of winning on that Sunday, did you ever walk 152 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: off of around after around at the US Open and 153 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: field good or do you just like, you know, whether 154 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: where it fits in the field. Obviously you can get 155 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: a feel of like that part is going to be 156 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: great or whatever. But I assume it's just such a 157 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: grind that you're just kind of relief, don't matter like 158 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: that that round us over. You're never obviously you don't 159 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: have that feeling of like sixty three or sixty four 160 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: that you know it was great, you hit it great. 161 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: Did you ever remember walking off and thinking like, wow, 162 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: that was a really great round or does it just 163 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: such a grind? I think first round at Tori, I 164 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: think Fergie actually reminded me M Doug Ferguson. For everyone else, 165 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: um great Apai Roda used to follow us around and 166 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: actually walk around on the golf course, unlike a lot 167 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: of his peers. UM used to enjoy dug out there 168 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: in the Hawaiian Ship. But anyway, I came off. I 169 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: shot under par on the first round at Tory in 170 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: two thousand night, and he came up to me and 171 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: typical fergu fashion, says, you know, you're the only champion 172 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: whoever won the US Open and never shut around under 173 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: par in the US Open, and now you have so 174 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: well done. Um. But I remember really enjoying Tory all 175 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: of it, um, and that first round especially, you will 176 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: have to check the thing. I sat one or two 177 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: under in the first round, and yeah, that was a 178 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: really nice feeling. I mean I've walked off. Yeah, it 179 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Chambers. I shot a few under in the 180 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 1: last round, enjoyed Chambers Bay Towards the end of that tournament. 181 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: I actually enjoyed Chaine Chambers by a lot more than 182 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: most guys did. I thought that was a real opportunity week. 183 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's not fun. But as I said, it's 184 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: just it's the ultimate test in a way, that grindy test. 185 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: I mean, some golfers love to just play and hit 186 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: beautiful shots of great grass, and it's all about hitting 187 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: the great shots for them. And there's other golfers who 188 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: just love that really hard grind. You know, there's no 189 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: right or wrong, but there's some golfers who just gravitate 190 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: towards that really really hard sort of grinding thing. And 191 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: you guys can relate to these guys, you know, the 192 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: guys when they walk in the media tet, the ones 193 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,839 Speaker 1: who really love the grind. I mean, I was probably guy. 194 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: But there's something really when you're playing well and you're 195 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: having a fight for power on every hole and you 196 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: get it up and down on one hole and it's like, well, 197 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: that's the best up and down I've had a year. 198 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: And then you've got to do it again on the 199 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 1: next hole, and then you get to a five part four, 200 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: you've got to do it again. And when you keep 201 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: coming up with the goods, um incredibly rewarding. Yeah. So 202 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:25,599 Speaker 1: I've enjoyed a few rounds at the US Open. I've 203 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: been annoyed, well more than I haven't been, but ultimately 204 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: frustrated usually, But um, it doesn't take sixty three and 205 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: then you should even power or better. And the Open 206 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: generally you're very very happy, and yes you're kind of 207 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 1: shuffed if you like, you're just you feel a warm inside. 208 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: It's like I did it one more day down. It's 209 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: a good feeling. I mean in some ways is that 210 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: the easiest majors are weird because so many guys are 211 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: beaten mentally and emotionally and they just don't have that 212 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,559 Speaker 1: grind or that that that mental makeup to do that 213 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: four days in a row does how much is there's 214 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: the field thinned out before they've even hit a Yeah, 215 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: I wouldn't easiest major to win is the wrong way 216 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: to say it. Certainly the least people to beat. Um. 217 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: I would say there is certainly half the field has 218 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: written themselves off by Monday night, um, and then there's 219 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: probably another half of that the next the last half 220 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: another quarter of it goes after Thursday, UM, and then 221 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: you sort of fighting it out. Chambers was very obviously 222 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: like that most guys had completely written that tournament off 223 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:31,079 Speaker 1: as a real tournament by Tuesday. Um. It was clearly 224 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: to me going to suit a really really good player 225 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: and look, the best player in the world one at 226 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: the time and the best pattern in the world one 227 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: at the time you put bad you get bad greens, 228 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: and they were atrocious greens really at Chambers. But you 229 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: get bad grains on a setup like that, and the 230 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,959 Speaker 1: best part is going to win, and he did. So 231 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: I don't think you could argue with the champion that 232 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: that tournament got and that was that was the most 233 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: obvious one I ever played. That most people just wrote 234 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: themselves off before the tournament even started. But it happens 235 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: that most use opens um. So yeah, you're right, and 236 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 1: that there's an element of there's Look, there's other guys 237 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: who just don't think they can, just don't think they can. 238 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 1: I mean, it's and to be honest, I've played a 239 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: few years opens Earlier's just like I just I don't 240 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: know how they shoot under path or seven to holes 241 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: around there's just no chance um. But then you sort 242 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: of get used to when you get better at it. 243 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: There's a lot of guys who just don't really just 244 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: getting hit over the head seventy two times in a row, 245 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: five and a half hours set, four rounds in a row, 246 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: it just wears people out eventually, And like the strongest survival, 247 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 1: the most peak headed, stubborn survive, really, I think sometimes 248 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: too I wouldn't say easy to win, but I would 249 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: say you've got the least people to beat out of 250 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: probably any tournament in the world, because most guys, yeah, 251 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: they've written themselves off before it starts. Jeff, do you 252 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: think you have an insight into what John ram might 253 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: be thinking right now as the defending champion? Can you 254 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: call your mindset when you went to Oak martin two 255 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: thousand seven as the defending champion. Yeah, I mean he's 256 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 1: probably feeling up and about. I would have thought I 257 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: felt pretty good about that. I don't think my game 258 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: was quite as good in OH seven as it was 259 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: those six. Um. I played with Tiger and Richie Ramsey 260 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: the first two rounds. That was a pretty memorable at 261 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: Oak Monto. So it was a memorable open, such a 262 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: cool place. Um played quite well. I played well enough, 263 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: sort of midfield after two rounds or something like that, 264 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: and then just sort of didn't really get it going 265 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 1: on the weekend. Um, But I think you'll be feeling 266 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: all right. I mean it's his sort of goal off, right. 267 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: I mean it's going to be pretty long, as they 268 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 1: always are. They've seen some pretty long path forwards out 269 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:38,439 Speaker 1: there on the scorecard. Um, so it's gonna be tough. 270 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: And he's a real grinder too, you know, if he 271 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: gets the short game going, and he's sort of he's 272 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: one of those emotional sort of guys that seems to 273 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: turn those sort of situations in the positive side. I 274 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: think he's better when it gets really really hard and 275 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: really really important. He seems to focus all this that 276 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: emotional energy the right direction. Um. But he's probably just 277 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: excited a little bit. There's a little bit of a 278 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: melancholy feel too that like it's over. Uh, you know, 279 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: like I got a better win again. Otherwise they're not 280 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: going to say we're won the US Open this year. Um. 281 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, I would have said, you're always buying every 282 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: time you go back to somewhere that you've won. The 283 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: next year as a defending champion, it's a good feeling. Um, 284 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: you feel good, you feel confident, and you're the last 285 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: person to have done it. Um, you know sort of yeah, 286 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: And there's a little the first day a little bit 287 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: sort of more nervous than a normal one, probably just 288 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: because I don't know, there's just added stuff to it. 289 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: But he'll be feeling it, right. I would think he'll 290 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: be out. You'll be. It's better to be defending champion 291 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: than not be, well, said Michael. For for both of 292 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: you and I, this is our first time on the 293 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: ground since Ryder Cup, which of course it was Epicum. 294 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: What did it feel like to be back? What are 295 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: your first impressions of the country club as a seeing 296 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: with new eyes? You know, I was thinking about what 297 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: Jeff said, and it's it's so correct. The scale of 298 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: US Opens is so overwhelming, and even Open Champions there 299 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: was a big pieces of property, often in big car 300 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: parks and all the rest, but it's nothing like the 301 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: sprawl of US Open. But the first thing that struck 302 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: me when we got here today, Alan was that yellow clubhouse. Jeff, 303 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: have you been here before? Part of me if this 304 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: was asked earlier, have you have you been? I have not. 305 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: I haven't. I'm sure you've seen it on TV and Brian, 306 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: you saw it today for the first time probably, But 307 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: they have this chart. They've got lots and lots of 308 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: buildings here and that looks like high school gyms all 309 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: over the place. But then they had this charming yellow 310 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: clubhouse and as the starting point, like, who would ever 311 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: choose yellow for a clubhouse? But it works so well. 312 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: So you know, I think my first thought was, uh, 313 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: they got a short golf season here, but they got 314 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: a beautiful place to do it. And uh, I was 315 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: with Crenshaw the other week at Memorial and Crenshaw played 316 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: and I believe the nineteen sixty eight U S Junior 317 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: here and he was written up, Ryan, tell me if 318 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: you know this name, I know Jeff and I will 319 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: know this name. Well, would you know the name of 320 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: Herbert Warren Wind? Is that meaningful to you? No, it's okay, 321 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: so it's right or long before your time him and 322 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: but but uh, he really venerated master the Master's tournam 323 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: in the British open the in the US and particularly Benny. 324 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: He's writing about Crenshaw being here in sixty eight for 325 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: the U S. G A Juniors, and Crenshaw said to 326 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: her and her put it in a story about Crenshaw 327 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: many years later. I like the early morning cool and 328 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: how you had to wear a sweater and so like 329 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: you don't think of Oakmont is charming, but like I 330 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: think of that when I saw the Yellow Clubhouse, and 331 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: I thought of that exchange of of her be Ben 332 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: Ben Crenshaw. There's a quality of charm to this place. 333 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: And also all those year round sports curling and kind 334 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: of racket sport. There's a maginabal squash and park tennis, 335 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: every kind of tennis. I'm sure. Yeah. Well, and you're 336 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: right that the scale of the Open is the grand 337 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: stands and and and the build out of the media 338 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: center and the tents and all that. But the golf 339 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: course feels very intimate to me. And you know, these 340 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: really are the smallest greens and championship golf along with 341 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: pebble beat and like you're and the ferries are pretty 342 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: tight and twisty, and you look out there, it's like, man, 343 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: they have to go from here all the way to there, 344 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: and the green is that small, Like how can anybody 345 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 1: hit that green and regulate it? And just just walking 346 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 1: around a little bit and seeing that visually, to me, 347 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: it's very intimidating. There's you know that I've got that 348 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: beautiful heather that's not right off the ferry, but it 349 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 1: frames it and and in your eye, it's like, man, 350 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: it's a To me, it feels a little claustrophobic this 351 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: golf course, and I'm sure some of the players will 352 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: be feeling that on the tea boxes. Jeff is a 353 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: golf course architecture buff. And you in the US Open winner, 354 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: and you look at the list of all the venues, 355 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: do you sometimes think, oh, I'd like to get myself 356 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: to Myopia Hunt or Philadelphia Cricket or or the country 357 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: Club and check it out, or uh that does your 358 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: mind run that way at all? The old venues were 359 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 1: always the most interesting in the best. I mean, look, 360 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 1: I say, I've talked about Tori before at two and 361 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: Tori was my favorite US Open to play outside of Wingfoot, 362 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: the one that I won, because I don't know, there's 363 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 1: something about the West Coast and that perfect press seen 364 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 1: weather and um, I don't know that's because the Opens 365 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 1: are so often brought with storms and hot, humid weather 366 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: and stuff. And the rest of the country and the 367 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: California was just so nice. But Wingfoot Oakmont. Um, as 368 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: you say up that New England, New England is such 369 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: a beautiful place to play golf. I mean it's where 370 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: it's still got that very English feel about it. Um. 371 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: It was the first place. It was the first place 372 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: golf was played in America. I think brook Line was 373 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: one of the very first clubs I wasn't the first club, 374 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: but it was in the first few painful I think 375 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: um of clubs in the US. And it's just this, 376 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 1: and it hasn't really been infected with what's infected the 377 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: rest of golf and the rest of the US at least, 378 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 1: like just the sort of just the blanket perfect green 379 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: and striping fairways and bright white sand and stuff. It's 380 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: still sort of feels like it's probably a bit like 381 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: this a hundred years ago at book Line, you know, 382 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: I mean, it still feels like that. And there's old places. 383 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: Um Marian was a fantastic open even though that comes 384 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: with a lot of logistical issues, it was a beautiful 385 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: places to play the open um. Yeah, the old ones 386 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 1: are certainly better, and the courses have quirk, you know, 387 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: and quirk and nuance is really what makes golf special. 388 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: Most of my peers would disagree, but because it seems 389 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 1: to take the fairness out of it. But it's just 390 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 1: part of what makes golf great is just every single 391 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: place you ever play is different, every whole you play 392 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: is different. And when you go to places like Brookline 393 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: and in regions like New England, is just full of 394 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: quirk and different stuff. It's old. They're unashamedly not going 395 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: to change it from how it's always been. I mean, 396 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 1: I know, girls been there and sort of made it, 397 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: sort of re established a lot of the stuff they 398 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: used to do, but it's got a lot of length 399 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 1: that it didn't have before. But it's still going to 400 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:41,959 Speaker 1: feel like it did a hundred years ago. And I 401 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 1: just think that's beautiful out of place like that, And 402 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: that's just part of what golf is. Golf is such 403 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: a great sport. I mean, all the other sports they 404 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: just player and newer and newer and newer stadiums and better, 405 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 1: better surfaces, and everything is perfect. I think golf we 406 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: do that a lot too. But I think one of 407 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: the enduring charms is that every now and we can 408 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: go to a course that's over a hundred years old 409 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: and with a yellow clubhouse and um, different sort of 410 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: textures is alan referenced out the course with all the 411 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: different grasses and textures in different shapes and stuff. And 412 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 1: you can go and place place like that and we 413 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: play the biggest tournament in the country on it, in 414 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: the world maybe on it, which is fantastic. When you 415 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: when you go to Madonna, Um, can you use the 416 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: words quirk, a nuance and uh and still still and 417 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 1: still get the job. I mean they're they're they're good words, 418 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: aren't they in the sales pitch? But um, there's a 419 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 1: big difference between people thinking they want quirk and then 420 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: when you actually do it, do they actually really want it? 421 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: You know? Um, it's look, it's something sometimes you can't 422 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 1: it's hard to create quirk. Quirk is the golf course 423 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: has just naturally been put in a place where you've 424 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: just got to go around something quirky, like a stone 425 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: wall or something interesting. So we certainly love to try 426 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: to introduce quirk in our golf courses and that sort 427 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: of stuff, but it's sometimes received well sometimes not. Sometimes 428 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: quirk has been a bit watered down in modern days 429 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: to sort of modern golfers, like the idea of the quirk, 430 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 1: but not necessarily the reality. It's like it's like corporate 431 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:14,199 Speaker 1: corporate quirk. Um, well, let's talk about some of the 432 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: players in the field, Ryan, are they tell our our 433 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: listeners and probably Michael and Jeff and I as well. 434 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 1: Who are some other fun stories among the qualifiers And 435 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 1: as you said, these guys might not factor on Sunday, 436 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: but they add a lot of heart to Thursday and Friday. 437 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 1: So who should we be watching out for it? Yeah, 438 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: a couple of guys that I think might have a 439 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: chance to um make the cut uh and play well. 440 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: M J. Duffy on the corn Ferry Tour, a legendary 441 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 1: Monday qualifier, got through twelve of twenty in UH in 442 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 1: two years prior to this, prior to having status, So 443 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 1: I don't think anyone would be too surprised if he 444 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: played well. And then I tweeted today Sam Stevens kind 445 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: of a mini tour legend. UH dominated in all the 446 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: All Pro Tour, which no one's ever heard of, of course, UM, 447 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 1: for three or four years after college, and then finally 448 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,199 Speaker 1: got status. UM. A couple of good stories. I mean, 449 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk to Brady Caulkins tomorrow. It's just kind 450 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: of a legend. UH has dominated the Dakotas Tour and 451 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,880 Speaker 1: has a lot of fun on the Dakotas Tour and 452 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: UH many stories of him partying till wee hours of 453 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: the night and then UH and then showing up and 454 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: shooting sixty four. A quick story a player missed the 455 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: cut and was going to caddy for him went out 456 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 1: with Brady and party till three in the morning, and uh, 457 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: couldn't even get out of bed. And he just assumed 458 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: that Brady had withdrawn from the final round because there's 459 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 1: no way that Brady could have, you know, even got 460 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 1: out of bed. And Brady shot sixty three and one 461 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: by seven. And and this Caddy former player, current player, 462 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: but was catting that day, was like, I've I have 463 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: no idea how he's done it. So Brady is kind 464 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 1: of a legend, is super super talented, So um, we'll see. Uh, 465 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: but there's many uh. I mean again, for a lot 466 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,719 Speaker 1: of these guys, making the cut is going to at 467 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: least prolong their their career for an extra year or whatever, 468 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: that forty or whatever. For last places, it goes a 469 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: long way. So we want to send you the Safari Tour, 470 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: but you clearly need to hang out in the Dakota Storks. 471 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 1: Remember you tell me, isn't there some dude who like 472 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: took his baby to a strip club on the Dakotas. 473 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: I mean, the Kodas Tour is the by far the hardest. 474 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: I mean, there's not a lot to do in you know, 475 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:38,479 Speaker 1: far off distances, like you know, remote towns in the Dakotas. 476 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: So it's just a legendary tour with a lot of 477 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 1: lifers out there. And uh yeah, when babies go to 478 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: strip clubs it. I mean, that's a place you need 479 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: to visit. So we'll do it right and stop talking 480 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 1: about just getting getting a van and do it. But 481 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: that's a sidebar. Um, Michael, who who are you curious 482 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: to watch this week? Would have just followed up on 483 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: something I would actually encourage it. Well, no, not on this, 484 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 1: not on the script club. But Jeff, I'm sure you've 485 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: had this experience, and Tiger has had it many times 486 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,919 Speaker 1: and he's always a great sport about it. But at 487 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: a U s Open especially, you can get some really 488 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,919 Speaker 1: random pairings on a Saturday or any day, but in 489 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 1: your status, more likely on a Saturday guy makes the cut. 490 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: You've literally never heard of the guy in your life. 491 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 1: You don't know what tour he's playing on. How many 492 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 1: holes does it take for you to know if the 493 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 1: guy has any chance of ever making in professional golf 494 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 1: or not? Can you tell right away or or how 495 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: long does it take? Um? You get it? I think 496 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 1: in one haul. Thanks believable. What are some of the tells. 497 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 1: I don't know that. It's like it's all those areas 498 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: of gray that I don't know. It's just you can 499 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,239 Speaker 1: just tell. You can tell where the heads out, how 500 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 1: they hit it. You can tell by the strak of 501 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: the bowl with a lot of guds. You can tell 502 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,360 Speaker 1: the sort of the visions they make in one hole. 503 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: You can generally tell. Look, there are surprises, there's outliers 504 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,679 Speaker 1: to that. There's some guys everything. There's some guys who 505 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: have made it today who I'd never talk about now. 506 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: Um that I still don't know how they're making it. 507 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: You know, so there are there's no exact science to it, 508 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: but you can generally tell. I mean, you could use 509 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 1: you could tell seventy five of it by just looking 510 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: at the warm up on the rage probably, um, And 511 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,719 Speaker 1: I don't know what that is. I think it's just 512 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: that we see so many great players so often that 513 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 1: there's some of these sort of undefinable hallmarks that they 514 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 1: all have, even though they all do different. Stuff's got 515 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: nothing to do with their swing or nothing to do 516 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: with anything else, just the way they carry themselves, the 517 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: way they strike the ball off the club face of 518 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 1: the way they hold their golf bag, the way they 519 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: lean against their partner. I don't know. There's there's all 520 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: these sort of things that you can tell Stria that like, 521 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: you know, the golfers that I've seen who made it, 522 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 1: they all do those things and you're not doing any 523 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: of them, so you're probably not making it, you know 524 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 1: what I mean. The p g A, you get some 525 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: interesting to put the p g A pros in the 526 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 1: PGA A quite interesting because they're really really crafty golfers 527 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: who play money against them against play for money against 528 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: their members all the time. Their craft, but they don't 529 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 1: act like tour players. Um because as I said that, 530 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: these are all indefinable qualities. But um, players who make 531 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: it generally have a certain sort of checklist of sort 532 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 1: of mannerisms or sort of as as a hallmarks, And 533 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: you can usually tell pretty quick if he doesn't. And 534 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,239 Speaker 1: you can tell that you can it's often a mental thing. 535 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: You can tell they're out of their depth by just 536 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 1: how they're trying to see the ball up in the 537 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: first two You know, um, and you feel for them 538 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: because I bet you you like that when you're young 539 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: as well. Um. It's this fast. That's why us are 540 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: so good. I mean, it's it's it's the biggest assault 541 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: on your sensors as a golfer that there is, you know, 542 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: I mean the Masters and sixteen of Phoenix, and there's 543 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 1: some moments that are really sort of stressful in progolf, 544 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: but the Open is the ultimate stress test and it 545 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: will expose every sort of weakness that you've got and 546 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: every sort of mental frailty that's in there, and it 547 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 1: just comes out for all to see. And it's it's 548 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: like watching a car reckon. It's that you can't really 549 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: look away, Like you don't really want to say it, 550 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: but you can't look away. It's it's fascinating to watch. 551 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 1: When you were when you were starting to get really 552 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: good at golf and you were thinking about the four majors, 553 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: did you think of the U S Open is the 554 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: one that you had the best chance to win. No, 555 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: I thought the US was the least chance. To be honest, 556 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: all Australia, I think there are a chance, at least 557 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: once you grew up in Melbourne. I think there a 558 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 1: chance at the Master's because it's very similar to Melbourne. 559 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: UM the golf you have to play, UM, the Open 560 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: Championship is the one that sort of Australians have always 561 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: sort of had a big affinity for, again because we 562 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: grew up with firm golf and bouncy stuff and we 563 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: don't actually play links golf, but Australian golf is quite 564 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: a lot closer to link style golf than it is 565 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,199 Speaker 1: in the US. And the US Open I tended if 566 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: I did have any sort of weaknesses growing I probably wasn't. 567 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: I didn't drive the ball the straightest, and historically growing 568 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 1: up watching US Opens and the way everybody talks about 569 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 1: them still to this day, well maybe a little bit 570 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 1: since Bryson sort of got involved, but um, everybody still 571 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 1: thinks it's a straight hidden contest. It is just just isn't. Um, 572 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: it's a short game contest. It's a short game and 573 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,439 Speaker 1: a patient's contest. An a little bit of strength throughout 574 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: the Brooks, Dust and Tiger sort of the strength out 575 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: of the rough. But um, it's a short game contest. 576 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: And I didn't really realize that until I won. When 577 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: I finished, It's like nobody hits fairways out here. They're 578 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 1: so narrow that even straight hitters can't hit fairways. Um, 579 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 1: and I don't I think the Bryson theory is just 580 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: a little bit too extreme, Like you can't miss every 581 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 1: fair way either, I mean you have to. It's some um, 582 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: but it really is a test of you're going to 583 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: drive in the rough five six seven times a day, 584 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: five six seven times a day. At best, you're gonna 585 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: miss grains probably more so you've got to get up 586 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: and if you want to shot even part for the week, 587 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: that's thirty forty up and downs, you're gonna have to 588 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: tough up and downs are gonna have to make in 589 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: a week if you want to get anywhere near the lead. So, 590 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: I mean, um, in hindsight, and my short game was 591 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: outrageous there in that sort of period. In hindsight, it 592 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: was the most obvious one for me to win. But 593 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: before getting there, I thought, no, I thought was the 594 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: lowest chance. Well, and that's why people who are baffled 595 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 1: by Phil's Nicholson's record in at the US Open aren't 596 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: paying attention because and I was just saying this earlier 597 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: today to Michael, like these greens are so small, everyone's 598 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: gonna miss the green. So it does become a chipping 599 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: contest even more than other venues for the Open Lake. 600 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 1: So I don't. I'm not saying Phils are gonna win 601 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: or maybe even not contend given everything else that's going on, 602 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: but this this place to his strength and you know, 603 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: other other players like that. So that' isn't that the 604 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: funny thing though? That's the irony is like everybody thought 605 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: that Fred Funk was like the U s Open like specialist, 606 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: right and anyone who hits all Calvin Pate, Fred Funk 607 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,479 Speaker 1: based straight hitters of it, fairways all day. Actually, the 608 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: best US Open record outside of a guy who for 609 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: a guy who didn't win one is Phil for the 610 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: last twenty or thirty years. And the guy really has 611 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: never hit very many fairways, and he's had an outrageous 612 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: short game, and he's had the best US Open record 613 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: in the last twenty years. It's a thirty years incredible. 614 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: But then there's Hall Ruin and uh, Scott Simpson and 615 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: a lot of guys who were you know, fairway and 616 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: green golfers. But I think the nature US Open has 617 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: changed over time as well. Yeah, well for sure, And 618 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: you know that was that was the Brooks template, like 619 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: as as Jeff was saying, instead of hitting two iron 620 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: off the tree, tea and trying to thread the fairway. 621 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: Just smash driver, get as close as you can to 622 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: the green and then you can muscle a wedge up 623 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: onto the pudding surface or nearby like there's no there's 624 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: no benefit and thrilling back off the tea because you're 625 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: gonna hit just as many with your driver as you 626 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: are with with with another club, and then you might 627 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: as well just put yourself as close to green as possible. 628 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,959 Speaker 1: And obviously Bryson took that to the logical extreme. So 629 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: you know, Phil has always been a power player, so 630 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: he kind of he kind of figured that out as well. 631 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: And just just smash driver and then go chase it 632 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: and and see what happens. Um, here's an odd thing 633 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: for everybody. Um, it was hard not to watch that 634 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: Canadian Open last week and see, you know, always it 635 00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: going to be some kind of referendum on the greatness 636 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: that the PGA Tour. And now isn't it lucky for 637 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: the PGA Tour that Rory Mcarey one the thing because 638 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: he's the poster child for the PA Tour. Is is, 639 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: you know, is golf and it's best. Um, I wonder 640 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: if there'll be any of that this week here um, 641 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: you have a sense of that. Yeah, we talked about 642 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: that in in our Phil Mickelson UH press Conference reaction podcast. 643 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: But the majors have never been more important than they 644 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: are right now as the tours getting watered down and 645 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: a lot of big names are playing in a four 646 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: whole exhibition, the meaning of the majors are just elevated. 647 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 1: They're just they just are that much more important now 648 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: as a measuring stick as bringing all the top players together. 649 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: I mean, if if, if these guys don't get to 650 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: play in tour events, which means World Golf Championships or 651 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: the players, there's gonna be four times a year the 652 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: best players are in the same place. It's just the 653 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: majors and that's it, right. So then to that are 654 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: and Jeff please try them in here if you care to. 655 00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: But are you playing is a little bit in additional 656 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: all the things that you're trying to do to us 657 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: open and it's so difficult. Are you playing for country 658 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 1: as well? And country in this sense is the PGA 659 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: Tour or you know, fly the flag for the pH 660 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 1: A Tour, fly the flag for live golf. To be 661 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: crude about it, I'm not in the locker room at 662 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: the moment, So I'm out of that feeling. You certainly 663 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: are playing for country, um Australians. For an Australian, generally, 664 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: when we play overseas, we always feel like we're playing 665 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: for country. I mean, look at the way Scottie reacted 666 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,719 Speaker 1: at the Masters, the way Cam carries himself leash. I mean, 667 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: it's just that's what we do. And certainly the American 668 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: players playing for country in the US open Um, it 669 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: seems to have a definite it's very elevated sort of 670 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: national pride for the for the American guys when they 671 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: play the U s open you can sense it and 672 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: you feel it amongst the guys, the two of a 673 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: to a thing. I don't know, golfs in a really 674 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: interesting phase at the moment um. I think everyone's getting 675 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: a bit reactive to this whole thing. Let's just I'll 676 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: stay out of that. But yeah, you're certainly playing for country. 677 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: And we saw less hear what John rom I mean, 678 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,719 Speaker 1: he he went to seve A and uh, you know 679 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: the great other the other great Spanish players that pursuded 680 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: him very very quickly and very beautifully, very meaningfully. I mean, 681 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: the depth of it, uh, really struck me. And Uh, 682 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: one of the things that struck me going to a 683 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: lot of US Opens over the years is just how 684 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 1: much US Open means to person. I think, I think 685 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: it's struck me the most when uh when when for 686 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: the most. The first time I felt that the most 687 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: was Ray Floyd when at Schanica Hills and here's the 688 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: son of a clip pro, uh winning on this historic 689 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: golf course. And it was you know, it's the Venturi quote, 690 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: My god, I've won the Open. Yeah, I mean, there's 691 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: It's just that's why we love these tournaments so much, 692 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: is because guys don't break down in tears when they 693 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: win the Canadian Open like they might throw a little 694 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: shade like Roy did or you know, but there's just 695 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: something so meaningful about about these weeks. That's always been 696 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: the case. They only become a bigger deal. Um, just 697 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: just as a parting thought. I mean, um, you know, Ryan, 698 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: I love you're talking about how how this weekn can 699 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: change a guy's life. Um, for all of us as 700 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 1: golfens is there is there one U S Open, just 701 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 1: as a fan that you remember the most. I like 702 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 1: the Ray Floyd, but I want to hear yours. I 703 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: mean I think Lucas Glover because he was a qualifier. 704 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: I mean, like so brand again, like if you go 705 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 1: to a qualifier, I don't know how many you've been 706 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: to or if you've ever been to it, Like it 707 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: is what a lot of people don't see about pro golf. Um, 708 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 1: I mean there's no one there. It's on you know 709 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,240 Speaker 1: often okay, to nondescript golf courses, whether it's a Monday 710 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 1: qualifier or in this case the sectionals. Uh, I mean 711 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 1: it's it's the true grind. There's no you have to 712 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 1: find your own motivation. There's no fans, there's no scoreboards, 713 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: there's no nothing. Uh, you have to you know, you're 714 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 1: looking at the scoreboard on your phone. Um. So you know, 715 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: Lucas is a pretty quiet, not a huge personality. But 716 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 1: the fact that he went from playing and I don't 717 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,240 Speaker 1: know where he played, I assume Columbus and then onto 718 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: the U S Open is is pretty sweet. What's it's 719 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: obviously Lucas Lucas is accomplished, but it's what gives all 720 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 1: these guys hope. Uh, they're not out there trying to 721 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 1: play pro golf thinking that when they get to this point, 722 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,839 Speaker 1: they're just happy to be here. You know. I asked 723 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: Luke in like, straight up, can you win the Open? 724 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, I can win the Open? Is it true? 725 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. He believes it. That's awesome. How about you, Jeff, 726 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 1: is there is there an early U S Open memory 727 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: that sticks out for you? Um? I don't know. I 728 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,359 Speaker 1: mean I watched them all when I was a kid. 729 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 1: I mean Hyler running around the grain at Madonna. I 730 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 1: think it was pretty cool. Um, that was a pretty 731 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 1: cool one. But McDonald, I mean Tiger in two thousand, 732 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: that's pretty etched in the memory, even though I was 733 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: already played up and playing by then and he was 734 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 1: a peer at that point. Um, that was pretty outrighteous, 735 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 1: just from how do you possibly do that? And we'll 736 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 1: never say that, Well, you never say never, but it's 737 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 1: it's hard to imagine we'll ever say someone went and 738 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: open by fifteen shots again, um, and then four weeks 739 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:13,959 Speaker 1: later went and opened by nine. I mean he beat 740 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 1: the best golfers in the world over eight rounds by 741 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 1: twenty four shots. Like that period for me is the 742 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 1: most memorable. Yeah, incredible. Yeah, for me, it would be 743 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 1: the eight two US Open at Pebble Beats you know 744 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,919 Speaker 1: that was I was living fifteen miles away. There weren't 745 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 1: a lot of golf fans in in my family, but 746 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,360 Speaker 1: for some reason it was on the TV and I 747 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: just got caught up in it. And you know, big Jack, 748 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 1: this beautiful head of hair, and they're wearing stylish sweaters 749 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 1: and I can still remember and bouncing out off the 750 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,759 Speaker 1: flag in h I'm sorry, noisy too. That's seventy two. 751 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,920 Speaker 1: I got my my opens mixed up. I was watching 752 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 1: those highlights were on and that got sucked. We got 753 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 1: sucked into it. And then eighty two was Watson and 754 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 1: like his his sprint around the green like I was like, well, 755 00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:58,840 Speaker 1: I didn't know they did that in golf. That was cool, 756 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 1: Like he uh, he was really into that, and you know, 757 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,760 Speaker 1: I thought golfers were so stated. I had actually probably 758 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,840 Speaker 1: been to a couple of Crosby clam bakes at that 759 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,879 Speaker 1: point and never see anything like that. And so it's 760 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,839 Speaker 1: kind of like what you're saying with Jeff with Hail Irwin, 761 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 1: like you remember that the emotion, you remember that, the joy, 762 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 1: the exuberance, and uh, I said that that Watson moment 763 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,880 Speaker 1: was cool, Like how about big Jack congratulating on Colin Montgomery. 764 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 1: I'm winning that US Open when he's sitting Yeah, I mean, 765 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 1: were you watching that, Jeff? I remember that? Yeah? You finished? 766 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,760 Speaker 1: He finished what two or three hours? Yeah, the wind 767 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,440 Speaker 1: came up and went crazy, but then kites went you know, 768 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 1: he actually kept his ball and play a little bit. 769 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 1: It was amazing that when I was a spectator and 770 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 1: I was out there watching Dr Gil and he was 771 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,280 Speaker 1: hitting some of the coolest little tricky knockdown long iron 772 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 1: and running it up to the greens, and it was 773 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 1: like that was a memorable open too. I mean, Pebble's funky, 774 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 1: but it's had some good open you know. Someone at 775 00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,720 Speaker 1: the U. S J Museum told me that this single 776 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 1: most covided club that they would want for their collection 777 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 1: is Watson's Sandwich from that seventy. First of all, he 778 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 1: won't give it up. It's worth millions. Yeah, that's all 779 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 1: that's on brand to UM. All right, Well, we're not 780 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 1: gonna ask for picks because we don't care and we 781 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: don't do that. We're we're a different kind of podcast. 782 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 1: But uh, this has been another fire drill. We be 783 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,360 Speaker 1: doing these all week long. UM. Jeff, thank you for 784 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: your time and your insight and uh Ryan French. We 785 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,840 Speaker 1: always appreciate your contributions. Michael Bamberger, second podcast today that 786 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 1: we've done. It's a rare pleasure. So this island ship 787 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,360 Speaker 1: nuk Um. We do want to tip our cap to 788 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: our venue here which is the Arcadian Hotel in Brookline. Uh. 789 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,919 Speaker 1: They it's a nice host for us and they helped 790 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 1: us out with the help help get us all here, 791 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 1: So thank you to those. It's fine folks, and we'll 792 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: we'll be doing this all week long, so appreciate you 793 00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:16,240 Speaker 1: all you guys listening and more to come. Put another 794 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:23,480 Speaker 1: log on the fire and we hear is get the 795 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 1: time