1 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: This is me eat your podcast coming at you shirtless, 2 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: severely bug bitten in my case, underwear listening podcast. You 3 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 1: can't predict anything. Okay, we're gonna be diving way deep 4 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: into into wild pigs um and we get tons of 5 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: questions about wild pigs, and I'm gonna give like sort 6 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:36,639 Speaker 1: of the ends of the you know, I'm gonna give 7 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: two ends in the middle and sort of the sorts 8 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: of questions we get about wild pigs. A question about 9 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: wild pigs might be where someone would right in and 10 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: send a link to an article, and it would be 11 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: how somewhere somewhere wild pigs have turned up and they 12 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: are causing their wreaking ecological havoc and what does one 13 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: make of That'd be like a type of thing people 14 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: always winding about wild pigs. A lot of people might 15 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:05,479 Speaker 1: be like, hey, what's up? Or wild pigs good to eat? 16 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: Can you get sick from them? Or what? That's another 17 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: that's the middle part that people want to hear about 18 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: wild pigs. And another common question we get about wild 19 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: pigs would be if wild pigs are so bad and 20 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 1: they're everywhere and they're gonna kill everyone and destroy the 21 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: whole universe. And everyone's overrun with wild pigs. How come 22 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: no one will let me go hunt wild pigs on 23 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: their property? Like, wouldn't you think that if pigs are 24 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: that bad, it wouldn't be so bad to have a 25 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: stranger on your land hunting. But it seems that they're 26 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: not quite that bad. So that's another question. And who's 27 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:43,639 Speaker 1: gonna walk us through all of this? Not your honest 28 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: it will be in part the portions that he's comfortable 29 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: with would be our guest, Parker Hall. Now, Parker Hall, 30 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: h can two things and you can do it. However, 31 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: three things you can do whatever or do you want? Um? 32 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: What do you do at work? Who do you work for? 33 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: And then I would like to get a little bit 34 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: into how did that happen? Okay, what do I do 35 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: at work? I'm a professional email doer and meeting goer. 36 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: To get out I know, I work for the U. 37 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: S Department of Agriculture APHIST Wildlife Services UM. So our 38 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: mission is to provide federal leadership with human wildlife conflict. 39 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: So that can range from ferrell swine or wild pigs. 40 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: I have to call them ferrell swine, UM call him. 41 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: That's what they told me. Wild pigs, Ferrell swine, hogs, whatever. UM. 42 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: It can range from that to protecting airports from collisions 43 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: with birds, to UH beaver control in the Deep South, 44 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: flooding roads and bridges, to coyote and predator control in 45 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: the West. So it really depends on where you are 46 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: in the in in the country is as to what 47 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 1: that the different states do. UM. So Wildlife Services is 48 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: non regulatory. That means we don't make any rules, UM, 49 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: which is kind of a good good position to be in. 50 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: So anywhere we are, we're there by by invitation. We're 51 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 1: oftentimes invited to help whatever land management agency bit, a 52 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: state agency, UM, another federal agency on evasive species, and 53 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: Farrell swine is one that that UH that we deal 54 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: with all over the country. So two thousand and fourteen 55 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: there was an initiative and APHIST initiative that provided some 56 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: funding set up a national program. Said all right, there's 57 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: enough damage being going on with Farrell swine, we're getting on, 58 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,839 Speaker 1: We're getting enough people that are having some trouble with them, 59 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: be at the agg industry, being at landowners, be at 60 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: the natural resources people, that we need to do something 61 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: about it. So that's kind of how UH this program 62 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: got got set up. So um, now that's that's too right. 63 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: What's the third one? How I got here? How you 64 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: got here? Just as a person to be here? But 65 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: I'm already we we put that on hold for a minute, sure, 66 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: because I already got a problem. All right, It okay. 67 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: Wild pigs were introduced here in the by the Spanish. Right, 68 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: so they took off across the ocean. Needed something to eat, right, 69 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: guys were going out, Uh, we don't know where we're 70 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 1: going across the ocean. It's far. We better bring something 71 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: to eat. So they float, float, float, float float. They 72 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 1: hit some land to go, oh man, that was good. 73 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: We're still alive. Hey, we're still going. We don't know 74 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: where we are. Let's put some pigs on because when 75 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: we come back, we're gonna be hungry again. And so 76 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 1: those repetitive introductions from those explorers all through the South 77 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: and the Islands, going all the way down through you know, 78 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: down to the South America and lesser antillities and the 79 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: Caribbean all through there. You know, those repetitive introductions finally 80 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: finally took hold. Native Americans figured out that hey, this 81 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: is better than eating some of the stuff we're eating 82 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: right now. So they fostered that and and those those 83 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 1: pigs grew and they kept them around and they established population. 84 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: So since the fifteen hundreds, they've been all up and down. 85 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: So what happened during those hundreds of years when it 86 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: didn't like there was a shift, right, because we had 87 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:23,919 Speaker 1: hundreds of years of it just being that there's some 88 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: that there's wild pigs around, there, wild pigs around and 89 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden in my lifetime in it's like, 90 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: holy shit, wild pigs, Like like what what was that? So? Um, 91 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 1: is it perception or is it reality? Or is it 92 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: it's reality. So if you look at a natural expansion 93 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: of any population, be it be it wild pigs or 94 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 1: or anything, it's kind of like a balloon blowing up, right, 95 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: you're blowing the balloon. It gets bigger, bigger, bigger, and 96 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: the population spreads. Well, that's not been the case of 97 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: feral pigs. I mean you guys from Michigan, right, there's 98 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: feral pigs in Michigan. They didn't get there from Florida 99 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 1: by chance. They got there in the back of pickup truck. Um, 100 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 1: So it became you know, uh, I grew up in Georgia, 101 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: hunting hogs. It was fun. It's a it's a cultural 102 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: thing in the Deep South. A lot of people do it, 103 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: and you know, but it's been maintained, particularly in the 104 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 1: Deep South. Uh, Texas, California. Oh yeah, my whole family, 105 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: and they still do. Um, of course they do. Um. 106 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:40,359 Speaker 1: But I think it got um cool or whatever for 107 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: lack of a better term, cool too, Uh hunt pigs 108 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 1: by television shows. It got put on TV, and people 109 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: think that killing the two hundred pound hog is awesome. 110 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: They're very few laws regulating hogs. Um. You know, it 111 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: differs by state, but they're all they're all a little 112 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: bit confusing. Um. You know, it's easy to catch pigs, uh. 113 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: As one of my good friends says, it's it takes 114 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 1: a very very little energy to put pigs in the 115 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: back of a truck and move them, but it takes 116 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: tremendous energy to get them back from the wild and 117 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: put them back into that pickup truck. And that's a fact. So, UM, 118 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: I think there's a there's a there's probably a lot 119 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: of ways for people to begin to understand that. And 120 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: if you're not familiar with wild pigs, would be just 121 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: the But you know what, we often called bucket biology 122 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: with fisheries, where you can have you can trace back 123 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: to sort of like a single inner doctory effort of 124 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: a fish species into some lake and river system, and 125 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: then pretty soon it becomes literally impossible to undo, like 126 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: literally impossible to undo the damage. Correct. Yeah, So with 127 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: the pigs, I remember, well, you know, but but you're 128 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: assigned to a specific like does your expertise extend beyond 129 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: where you're Oh, sure, yeah, we we do. We do 130 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: a lot of different different things in the state, in 131 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: the two states, because that would I want to ask 132 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: about was I remember in Michigan It wasn't that long ago. 133 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: Michigan was putting up some trying to create some legislation 134 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: around Obviously, you can't block people from transporting pigs because 135 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: it's all the same species, right, Sue scraffa is the 136 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: same thing you buy in a grocery store. Is it's 137 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: all the same species. But they were trying to put 138 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: some language around what types of pigs could be moved 139 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: into the state. Can you explain that a little bit 140 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: when when you talk about that people are moving pigs, right, 141 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: They're not moving barnyard varieties of pigs are well they're doing, 142 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: they're doing all all of the above. Um, like you mentioned, 143 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: it's all the same species. They can all interbreed. So. UM. 144 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: Spanish pigs like we talked about before, are the ones 145 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: that were introduced in the fifteen hundreds in the South. Um, 146 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: those have there's been introductions from the Eurasian wild wild bore, 147 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: big Harry wooly ones that everybody thinks about, you know 148 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: that that came over from Europe and those were introduced 149 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: into New Hampshire Vermont area and in some in in 150 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: California moved around. Um, people like them for sport. I 151 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: know the New Hampshire Vermont ones were for brought in 152 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: for hunting purposes, right right, But it's just hard to 153 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: hard to contain them. Yeah, yeah, it's hard to contain them. 154 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: And you know there's there's been sales. Hey you have 155 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: some of those. You know, a guy comes in and goes, 156 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: what's it cost, you know, sell me some of those. 157 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: Well nobody cares. He loads them up ears on her 158 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: bucks or whatever it is, and and and moves them 159 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: to Idaho. In terms of blue you know, they're they're 160 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: incredibly hardy, they're incredibly fucooned. You know, a hundred and 161 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: fifteen days or so. Um, they have a litter. Uh, 162 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: go go a few weeks, get pregnant again. You know, 163 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: they can have a couple of litters a year. So, um, 164 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: they're super hardy. You know, they're they're they're the ultimate 165 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: invasive species. Compare that to a deer who puts off 166 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 1: between you know, yeah, yeah, no, I want I want 167 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: to get back into the into the long term story. 168 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: But first I want to ask that this is true. 169 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: People like to say they like to put this timeline around. 170 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: If you take a domestic like a domesticated domestic variety pig, 171 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: and you turn it out, that the minute you turn 172 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: it out, all of a sudden, it girls big, gigantic 173 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: tossing gets a wooly coat. You know that that's not 174 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: It depends on the species, not the species, but the 175 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: uh I don't know if it's a subspecies or whatever. 176 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: You know, a pink pig that's that's grown for in 177 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 1: a in a pig parlor is a little different than 178 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: you know, some of these heritage pigs or whatever. So 179 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: there's a bunch of different flavors, if you will. But um, 180 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: if turned loose over time, they do revert back pretty quick. 181 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 1: It's not overnight. You know, we a lot of times 182 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: when when hogs get loose, Um, we'll get reports there's 183 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: some there's some feral swine over there, and they get 184 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: hungry and go back to the feed bucket in two days. Uh, 185 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: all of those in between, you know, sometimes they go 186 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: off and if they have a litter, then then those 187 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: pigs are generally pretty wary. Um, they're dealing with predators, 188 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: dealing with those first wild born generation. Yeah, that's right. Now. 189 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: You take a farrellhawk and put him in the pen, 190 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: and it doesn't take long for them to tame right down. Yeah. 191 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, in a couple of weeks, you 192 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: start shaking the food bucket, you know, it starts approaching 193 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: a little bit, and over time they'll tame right down 194 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: as well. So you can you can read domesticate them, 195 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 1: you can. Yeah, all right now, I'm ready to go 196 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 1: back and do what we're gonna do A minute ago 197 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: is uh you kind of alluded to it. Now, So 198 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:41,559 Speaker 1: you grew up hunting pigs? I did. Yeah, I grew 199 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: up hunting and fishing. My dad was U. S. T. 200 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: A Aphist wildlife services employee for his career yeah, so 201 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: you grew up that's how it's kind of wondering. So 202 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: you grew up kind of knowing that this is the 203 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 1: thing a person could do. Yeah, of course, yeah, I did, um, 204 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 1: but but I didn't have the aspirations to be a 205 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: state director. I remember thinking as I was going through school. 206 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: I graduated from the University of Georgia Bareley. Um, I 207 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: think I had a stellar two point two or three 208 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 1: uh mostly hog hunting at night and crappie fishing. But 209 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: I did get a I did get a degree in 210 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 1: in UH in wildlife. So UM. I remember thinking, if 211 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: I can ever make about thirty five or forty thousand 212 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: dollars a year trapping beavers, I will have reached the pinnacle. 213 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: So I started off as a beaver trapper in Alabama 214 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: and I went through, um several years of that, and 215 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: I didn't just do a private nuisance. I was working 216 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: as a as a as a specialist for U s 217 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: d A. Yeah, so a entry level and and that 218 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 1: went on for several years, and I got into doing 219 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: some invasive species work. When I was I was down 220 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,719 Speaker 1: in the US Virgin Islands doing work down there, and 221 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: met my wife down there, and how are you catching 222 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: the beavers? And and when I was now con embarrassing 223 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: their foothold, So the whole game and the whole thing. Yeah, yeah, 224 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: I know, I know those handcock wife treats you guys 225 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: were you guys were getting after him for real? Yeah 226 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: that's yeah, that's dudes from Michigan use those. Yeah, never touched. 227 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: So yeah, I did some work in the in in 228 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: the islands, and then um uh I went to Florida. 229 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: Didn't kind of work in the islands offshore eradication kind 230 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:30,959 Speaker 1: of stuff, and we did uh rat eradications, goat eradications 231 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: to protect threatening dangerous species small offshore islands. It's really neat. Actually, 232 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: when you remove um, a species like a rat or 233 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: a goat, what the island does? You know? The smaller islands, man, 234 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: they they blew like a flower you right back, you 235 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: know when you remove those invasives. Did you ever use 236 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 1: the Judas strategy? Yes, and I still do. Can you 237 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: explain that? Yeah, So if you remember your your your 238 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: Bible stories, Judas was the one who betrayed Jesus and 239 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: and so that's where the term Judas animal comes from. 240 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 1: So you take that animal capture. So in Ferrell swine 241 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: will take one and put a radio transmitter on on 242 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: its necker in its ear um, capture it, turn it 243 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: back loose, and it'll run back to the other you know, 244 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 1: the sounders which call a group of hawks. It'll go 245 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: back to a sounder or um, you know, other other 246 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: pigs and it all lleg you to those. So it's 247 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: real effective. It's really really effective, particularly in low densities. Yeah, 248 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: you know where we are right now. Yeah, yeah, it 249 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: does good. Yeah, we use it a lot. So you 250 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: you studied up on wildlife, wanted doing beaver work, and 251 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: then your career kind of took off, it did, and 252 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: then one day, um, someone springs on you that your 253 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: jurisdiction is going to be this is so, this is 254 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: how I was a state I was a district supervisor 255 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: in in South Florida and doing evasive species. I really python. Yeah, 256 00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: we did work on the burnme's python a little bit. Yeah, 257 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: you hit all the big news story animals. Yeah, they're um, 258 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: you know, they're they're difficult. That's a difficult problem. The snakes, 259 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: is it. Yeah? Do you think that they'll that there 260 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: will ever be a solution. There's just too hard to 261 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: protect you know. Uh, they sent a man to the moon, 262 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: so I don't know, but they you know, the thing 263 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: about the invasive reptiles is, let's face it, they're not 264 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: gonna go past the freeze line for the most part. 265 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: So you know, they're they're confined to those habitats in 266 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: those areas that that are akinada to how they evolved. 267 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: You know that. So we won't some day be talking 268 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: about Burmese pythons in Michigan like we're talking about so, 269 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: I don't think so until wintertime. I've been in Michigan 270 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: in the wintertime and pythons won't do too well. Yeah, 271 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: So South Florida and what other You probably worked on 272 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: pigs in South Florida. I did. We did a lot 273 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: of pig working Florida. Did iguanas, yeah, sure did. In 274 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: Florida I did. We did some more rat eradications actually 275 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: to protect next nesting Uh shoreboards. UM, predator control on 276 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: beaches for for sea turtles was was a big one. Um. 277 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: What's something that gets after sea turtle legs? Man? Everything 278 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: likes an egg, right, U. Raccoons are bad Farrell swine 279 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: or or terrible on them. There's places where Farrell swine 280 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: are on on the beach, saltwater beach. There are guys 281 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: who their job is to stay on the beach all 282 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: night long to make sure farrell swine don't come out 283 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: there and dig up sea turtle nests. And they're seeing something. 284 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: Oh man, they're doing they're doing effective control and they're 285 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: saving thousands and thousands and thousands of sea turtles. I 286 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: mean one nest is wrecked by a hog. And we've 287 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: been on beaches down in in South America. We've been 288 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: on beaches where all the turtle eggs have been dug 289 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: up by jaguars. Everything looks a turtle legg ghost, crabs, raccoons, armadillas, possums, foxes. 290 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: So you'll you'll select a you guys would select a 291 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: beach and just be like hands off. No. Remember now, 292 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: remember we're um, we're non regulatory. So we're there by 293 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: the invitation of what ever entity is responsible for that 294 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: that's right, that's right, whatever entity has jurisdiction over that 295 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 1: beach asks us to do that work. I understand. Yeah, 296 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,360 Speaker 1: So it's always coming from it's a it's a it's 297 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 1: a local ask, and you guys provide the expertise to 298 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 1: to execute what they're hoping to correct accomplish. So from 299 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 1: South Florida, then what happens to you? So from South Florida, UM, 300 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 1: a position came open as a state director and New 301 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: Hampshire and Vermont. Now, like I said, I grew up 302 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: in Georgia. I've never been north of Tennessee hardly. Um. 303 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: I was in South Florida and that position came open, 304 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: and I talked to my wife about and said, here's 305 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: an opportunity, you know. Uh so we said, yeah, that 306 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: that'll be fine. She's from Missouri and I'll get to 307 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: that in a man and you can deduce. But went 308 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: up to UM, got selected for that position and had 309 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: a wonderful experience in New Hampshire Vermont UM working on 310 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 1: all all sorts of different creat A lot of black 311 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: bear stuff was going up. Non natives, right, a lot 312 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 1: of a lot of natives there. Yeah, yeah, did some 313 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: moose work. You know, it's it was uh for for Georgia. Boy, 314 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: it was a really neat experience. And then the black 315 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: bears are getting trouble with orchards and oh yeah, the 316 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: whole thing ride down in the you know, it's a 317 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: it's a big tourist economy in the summertime, it's gorgeous 318 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 1: in New Hampshire and Vermont and uh, you know the 319 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: black bears down there, falling tourist arounding doughnuts and you 320 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: know the whole You guys do a lot of relocations. Yeah, yeah, 321 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 1: a lot of relocations there. Yeah, okay, yeah. What did 322 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: you get involved with any fish anywhere? No? No, not 323 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: a fish guy. There's other than are the wildlife services 324 00:18:55,920 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: people who mess with fish. There are wildlife services people that, um, yes, 325 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: that do invasive fish work. I think there's one state 326 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: out west that does. I'm not quite sure, but as 327 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: a general rule, we don't do That's that's left to 328 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: the fisheries. Bottle just fish are a whole different thing, 329 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: you know, under the water, and those guys can do 330 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: math good. Yeah, yeah, the fisheries. Gyah. What was the 331 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: common moose conflict? The common moose conflict was, uh, the 332 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: moose walking through where they you know, they make the 333 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: maple syrup and those guys have great big taps right 334 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: when these tubes coming way down to their tap house. 335 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: Sometimes they have thousands these tubes coming on and the 336 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 1: moose just walk right through, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 337 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: and they're like, you know, it's the middle of the 338 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: middle of SAPs running and those guys are freaking out. Man, 339 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: all their taps just got yanked off. So um, you 340 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: know it was interesting, particularly for me. It doesn't know 341 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: anything about moose, you know, so it was educational experience. Yeah, 342 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: I can imagine. It was a good time. So then 343 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: from there, from there, uh, the Missouri State Director Missouri 344 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: Iowa state director position um came available and my wife said, 345 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 1: guess what, big boy, I like the Royals, So yeah, 346 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 1: we I put in for that position. And you know, 347 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: I think it was a good move for me and 348 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: as much that uh, I was not from the northeast. 349 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: But it was a great experience. And but to get 350 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: to uh sometimes a little bit more familiar with different 351 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: but a little more familiar. Sure. Sure. And so you 352 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: as the state state coordinary, state director, state director, state 353 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: director everything again here everything falls under your purview, so 354 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 1: to speak. But you guys are particularly focused. They're paying 355 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 1: a lot of attention on wild pigs or is that 356 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: just a small part of the It's just it's it's 357 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: more than a small part. In Missouri. So we have 358 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 1: what's called the Missouri Aero Swine Partnership and that is 359 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 1: eleven different land management agencies who were committed to UM 360 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 1: suppressing or eliminating ferrell swine from from the state of Missouri. 361 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 1: So it's it's a it's a pretty good chunk of 362 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: our of our program. UM we do UH Iowa does 363 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: a lot of work at um UH dairy farms for 364 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 1: starling's invasive like like those UH starlings, pigeons, sparrows, those things, 365 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: you know, the milk and you know, the whole the 366 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: whole deal. Airport stuff. If a deer runs out on 367 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 1: the airport and you know at three in the morning 368 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: and the planes trying to land, you know, we have 369 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,479 Speaker 1: we have people there to help assister move that. You know. 370 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 1: UM a lot of airport working in Missouri. UM Avian influenza, 371 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 1: so a disease component UM of our program sampling for 372 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: different diseases, which goes hand in hand with the ferrell 373 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: swine stuff. UM stamp on there. So a little bit 374 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 1: of everything. Now, UM the Missouri Department of Conservation UM 375 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: has has pretty much driven this this program. So we're 376 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: doing feral swine work by you know, their invitation in 377 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: their direction. Now you mentioned suppression or eradication. Doesn't that 378 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: cause a little mission confusion? Can't you just pick one? Yeah, 379 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: well we use the word elimination, you know, so there's 380 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: no mission confusion. No, there's no mission confusion. Lay the 381 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: um lay the wild pig situation. Like, give me a 382 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 1: little bit of history on the wild pig situation here 383 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: in Missouri. Yeah, because it's different than Florida, right because 384 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:44,360 Speaker 1: in Florida they've been underground for centuries? Is it too 385 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,199 Speaker 1: early in the timing might be off, but I'd like 386 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: to definitely know at some point if it's legal to 387 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: hunt pigs in the state, and I want timing is off, 388 00:22:54,080 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: but you can ask should have waited? So you weren't 389 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: you weren't detecting the flow. I was gone. It's not 390 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: very clearly defined. Has it my flow? Yeah, it's a 391 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: little it's a little herky jerky. I don't see why 392 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: we can't get into that right now. It's yeah, so 393 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's completely legal to hunt ferrell swine in Missouri. 394 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 1: Where it is illegal to hunt ferrell swine is on 395 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: the Missouri Department of Conservation lands. It's it's illegal on 396 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 1: uh Fort Leonard Wood. It's illegal on Army Corps of 397 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: Engineers UM land, but on private land. UM. Right now 398 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: on the Mark Twain National Forest, it's legal to hunt 399 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: ferrell swine. What is the the obvious question comes up, Uh, 400 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 1: why if you want to get rid of them? Yeah, so, UM, 401 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: let's go back to the first part of of when 402 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: we started talking. In in Georgia when I grew up, 403 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: there's no season, there's no limit, there's really no restriction 404 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: on how you can hunt them with what you can use. 405 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: You can use guns, bows, bazookas, whatever, and has been 406 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: that way and they only grow. So hunting does not 407 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: work to eliminate. We use hunting as a as a 408 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: tool to manage our our native species. UM not eliminate 409 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: or that's that's what that's why we have UM limits 410 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 1: and particularly uh if you can or can't shoot female 411 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: of any of any animal, because that that you know, 412 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 1: the result of removal of those is population control. And 413 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: so that's something that UM Missouri Department of Conservations say, Look, 414 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: we're not going to reinvent the wheel. I mean, these 415 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 1: guys all over the South has chased them for millennia 416 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,239 Speaker 1: and it's the stronghold of feral swine. They're there. Like 417 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: recreational hunting because of the because of like the fecundity 418 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 1: and all these other factis recreational hunting, even when it's unrestricted, 419 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 1: isn't doesn't do it right. Right. So you know, a 420 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: recreational hunter goes out and he has a good time 421 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 1: and and he he harvests a hog, and he comes 422 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: back and they clean it up and they have a meal. 423 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: But it did absolutely nothing for the population. You know, Um, 424 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: it's fun, it's great, it's good recreation, but it's an exotic, 425 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: invasive species that should be removed if they're competing with 426 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: our natives. Yeah, so the thinking so extend that out 427 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: and and uh explain the thinking on on restricting hunting. Well, 428 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: I don't know that it's a I mean, it doesn't work. 429 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: It's been proven that hunting does not eliminate a species 430 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: of of any species. Um, recreational sport hunting doesn't. Um, 431 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: So you know, I don't know that. Go ah, Brandon Butler. 432 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 1: Brandon Butler wants the button. Another big issue is creating 433 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: the demand. So if there's a demand for Farrell hogs, 434 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: then there's going to be a desired supply, and by 435 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: eliminating the opportunity to hunt them. You're hopefully eliminating that instead. Right, 436 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: So if the Department of Conservation, you know, even though 437 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: they're they're setting these traps up, that's another problem. They're 438 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: setting up these traps, putting a lot of man hours 439 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 1: into it. Parker and his teams doing the same thing. 440 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: They work really hard to train these sounders to come 441 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: to these traps so they can catch a mass of 442 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: these pigs at one time. People will find those traps 443 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: and they'll set up on them like hunting spots, and 444 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 1: when the sounder comes in, they'll shoot one or maybe two, 445 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: and then they scatter the rest and they'll run way 446 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: off and they'll they'll set up new ranges. So you 447 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: blow the whole plan. You waste all that money that's 448 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 1: been spent, not only on the staff that's out working, 449 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 1: but on the the corn there sour and all the 450 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 1: other bait, the materials it takes to make the traps. 451 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: But as he said, had hog hunting is fun and 452 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: a lot of people down in this part of the country, 453 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: I mean, they have dogs, they're you know, they're really 454 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 1: into it. So they're expecting there to be a supply 455 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: of hogs on the landscape. Well, I'll throw this in 456 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 1: from I mean, this is something like this aspect of 457 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: it is something I'm familiar with and in j honest 458 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: and I UH have had discussions with an individual who 459 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 1: was a hog trapper and at a time in the 460 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: past had even gone so far as to sell wild 461 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:41,239 Speaker 1: hogs to people who he later learned, we're using the 462 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: wild hogs to establish populations of wild hogs and areas 463 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: that did not have them in order to be able 464 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 1: to hunt for them. That's going on down here. There's 465 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: there all over the country. There's this othery're spreading as 466 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 1: they were ever getting prosecuted for this. Yeah, there's a 467 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,159 Speaker 1: case going on in the county north of US right 468 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 1: now where somebody is is a known UH violator who propagator, Yeah, 469 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 1: who actually raises these hogs and then releases them, trailers 470 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: them in from other states, keeps them in a pen. 471 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: When people are ready to go hunting, those people will 472 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: pay this guy. He'll release those hogs and they'll go 473 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: chase him down on open lands, not pen lands, on 474 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 1: open lands. Yeah, so he'll keep him in a pen 475 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: until he has clients. Once he has clients willing to 476 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: pay they'll release those hounds, or they'll release those hogs, 477 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: and they'll release the hounds, the hounds will chase him down. 478 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: The one dog goes out and finds them, the rest 479 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 1: of the dogs come in and hold them. That person 480 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: goes in and likely stabs the hog or or may 481 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: shoot it. But a lot of them are killing them 482 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: with big booie knives and chasing them down that way. 483 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: So they're they're not only creating a demand for the 484 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: recreation of it, but there's a small group of people 485 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: that are creating uh an industry around it. And you're 486 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: talking about doing so in a very economically depressed part 487 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: of the country. So when these guys can get cash 488 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: on hand for letting you go out and kill some hogs, 489 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,719 Speaker 1: you know, it's hard to convince them that that's not 490 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: a good deal. Do you mind? Do you mind real 491 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: quick laying out Brandon, you mind real quick laying out 492 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: your affiliations? Yeah? So, I'm the executive director of the 493 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: Conservation Federation of Missouri. We work with hunting, angling, all 494 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: conservation wildlife groups across the state. I've known Parker for 495 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: a few years. There was a Feral Hogs symposium where 496 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: state wildlife leaders came from kind of all over the Midwest, 497 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: and we did a tour of a state park and 498 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: then we went on some private property. And that was 499 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: the first time I was ever really exposed to the 500 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: real destruction that these hogs do to agg lands and 501 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: why there's so much money being spent to eradicate them, 502 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: because so much money is being lost by farmers down 503 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: here as their pastures are destroyed and crop fields can 504 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: be decimated. It was it was really eye opening to me, 505 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: and I've kind of been studying it with Parker ever since. No, Parker, 506 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: when you look at the like the voices that most 507 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: want to so I I kind of understand the voices 508 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: that are interested in having pigs is like isolated groups 509 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: of people who want to have and they want to 510 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: have a hunting out, some hunting opportunity. What are the 511 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: voices of the people here, um that sort of have 512 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: the best argument against the pigs being here. Well, I 513 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: understand those people too, because, like I said, I grew 514 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: up doing it in its phone And you know, right 515 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: or wrong, they've they've uh in senitized and sanitizes the incentivized, 516 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: incentivized two chase or chase lounge earlier. Right, So UM, 517 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: so I understand that. And but we're land managers right 518 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: or or we're stewarts of atlantis. An exotic invasive species. 519 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: It's no different than bush honeysuckle UM shouldn't be here. 520 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: It competes with their natives. UM. And I think it's 521 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: it's difficult for for US wildlife people to go. I 522 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: was competing with our natives and they're still dere in 523 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: turkeys around and you know, and that thing I think 524 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: people have a hard time with because they look and 525 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: be like, Okay, but Texas is known for its white 526 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: tail hunt. Texas has wild picks. That's right, Texas has 527 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: the most wild picks. UM. But you know, you look 528 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 1: at the things that deer in Turkey aren't the only 529 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: things on the landscape, UM. Agricultural damage, UM, threatening an 530 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: endangered species, water quality. You know, all of these things 531 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: UM are being caused from an exotic invasive species that 532 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: shouldn't be here. So, I mean, you know, we're wildlife 533 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: biologists in some In some instances you just want to 534 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: be like, jeez, that's what we're supposed to do. I mean, 535 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: we're supposed to protect our our native species. It's not 536 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: it's just not falling us flora as well. Yeah, yeah, 537 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: I know in Hawaii they talk about uh, you know, 538 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: an unknown quantity, but perhaps dozens of species of wildlife 539 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 1: we're lost with the introduction of pigs and rats unto 540 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: the Hawaiian Islands because they had a whole suite of 541 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: you know, because of a lack of certain types of predation, 542 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: they had whole suites of ground nesting birds that vanished. 543 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: Going you look at the disease issues too with the 544 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: domestic um uh uh uh industry we have here. You know, 545 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: the potential for a disease to get in the domestic 546 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: industry could be catastrophic to the state. Um. You know, 547 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: we're one state south of of the biggest pork producing 548 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: state in the country. It's just Iowa. UM. So you know, 549 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: there's a fear there that wild pigs would would sure 550 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: they have they have those diseases. They carry those diseases 551 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: that the um agg industry has done such a wonderful 552 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: job of getting rid of. And it's taken them a 553 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: long time. Um and and now they're out. You know, 554 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: they've they've got those uh domestic populations for lack of 555 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: a better word, clean and um, you know, reintroducing some 556 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: of those diseases could be a real setback financially, as 557 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: you know, for for consumers as well as producers. Well, 558 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: it's funny there, and I don't I don't. I don't 559 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: expect you to comment on this unless you want to. 560 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: But what's funny there is to have this idea of 561 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: you know, you know, you call ferrell swine, but like 562 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: common vernacular where you have this idea of a wild 563 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: pig introducing disease to a domestic counterpart. It's sort of 564 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: the opposite of the fear around domestic deer introducing disease 565 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 1: to their wild counterpart. Yeah, yeah, it is. It's off 566 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: that's off topic. Yeah, Well, we've kind of breathed over 567 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: like the problems you know that the pigs do and 568 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,080 Speaker 1: how and why. But can we just get in that 569 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: a little bit more? Like you talk like you're like 570 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: water water quality, but what exactly do they do to 571 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: diminish water quality? And what are they doing to you know, 572 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 1: kill all these uh crops for all these farmers exactly. Well, 573 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: one of the creeks that we were hunting around down here, Um, 574 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: it looked better this year, Steve and I walked past it. 575 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: But last year this real lush, little spring creek and 576 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 1: the spring was really pumping. Yesterday when we were down there, 577 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: it was just absolutely decimated with rooting. I mean, you 578 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: go down there and you're expecting to be in this 579 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,800 Speaker 1: real serene, natural valley, and it looked like a monster 580 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: truck had been ripping up and down this spring creek. 581 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 1: Now this is way back in a wilderness, so very 582 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,399 Speaker 1: few people are laying their eyes on that. But if 583 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 1: that was your private property, that would be infuriating to you. 584 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: So you would call the government or whoever your representative 585 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 1: is and say something has to be done about this 586 00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 1: invasive species that's destroying you know, my an sky that 587 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 1: would be there in their feeding and it's rooting it 588 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: all up and it just turns into a mud. They're 589 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 1: just wallowing and rooting. And now all that that mud 590 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,760 Speaker 1: and sediment is running in to that stream, which runs 591 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,879 Speaker 1: into a larger stream which runs into a river, so 592 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 1: it's sending all that that sediment down river. Um, the 593 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: crap damage is just hard to explain. It's unbelievable. It 594 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: looks like somebody went in with a brush hog. Sure, yeah, yeah, 595 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 1: they can, they can do a lot of damage in 596 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,359 Speaker 1: in a very short amount of time. And that's something 597 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:35,360 Speaker 1: that is more common maybe in in in the South 598 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,359 Speaker 1: than it is in Missouri. Missouri is more uh, they're 599 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 1: more in the ozarks. We do have some damage UM 600 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,399 Speaker 1: and the guys that have it wouldn't don't take it lightly. 601 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: But you know, we have UH state and federalistic species 602 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 1: that are stored Hines emerald dragonfly, they have a um 603 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:59,279 Speaker 1: they lave their larva in in a specialized little I 604 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: forget the name of it. Uh, I don't know, it's 605 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 1: an eco term, you know. But the hogs go through 606 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,839 Speaker 1: and and rude up and and eat the larva and 607 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 1: and they don't reproduce UM. Meads milkweed is another UM 608 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: Species of Concern listed species that hogs go through and 609 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: trample and and and eat and and destroy and they 610 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 1: don't come back. So you know, you look at it's 611 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 1: it's not just we still have deer and we still 612 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,919 Speaker 1: have turkeys, and you know they ate some of my corn. 613 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 1: But we're talking about you know, threatened and endangered species. 614 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 1: That's you know, there's only very few of these left 615 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: in the world. They're being consumed or destroyed by an exotic, 616 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: invasive that shouldn't be here. You know, I don't know 617 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: if the you know, if hin zem will dragonfi flying 618 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: around this room, I don't know if I could identify it, 619 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 1: but I know that you know, it's a it's a 620 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: species that once they're gone, they're gone. Um and and 621 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:55,240 Speaker 1: that's being and that's uh happened to because of because 622 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,359 Speaker 1: of these Ferrell swine. And that's an example you use. 623 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:02,280 Speaker 1: It's you know, whether sea turtles or shore birds or whatever. 624 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:09,840 Speaker 1: You know, we haven't exotic doing damage and removing federally 625 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:14,760 Speaker 1: and stay listed listed species. So how many how many 626 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:19,319 Speaker 1: Ferrell pigs? Well, let's let's take it this way. How 627 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,360 Speaker 1: far back in time would you need to go to 628 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: when there were probably no Ferrell pigs and in Missouri? 629 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:31,359 Speaker 1: So um, I wasn't here then. But they're relatively new. 630 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:35,720 Speaker 1: You know, if you went back fifteen years, I don't 631 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,840 Speaker 1: know that you could find too many people. You guys 632 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: might know this better than me, but but you couldn't 633 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,240 Speaker 1: find too many people that knew where where a Farrell 634 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 1: hog was. You go back twenty years, they're very very rare. 635 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: You know, they were brought in and it's like I said, 636 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,239 Speaker 1: they're incredibly for coon. And you gotta see the terrain 637 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: we're in. Man, you turned some pigs back here they 638 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 1: go undetected for forever. So this is a pretty this 639 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,839 Speaker 1: is like a fairly new issue here. Absolutely. And how 640 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 1: many is there an estimate on how many there are? No, 641 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 1: we're doing some work on on that now, but there 642 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 1: is not an estimate. Well, how about you put it 643 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:14,799 Speaker 1: this way, how many of you guys caught and killed? 644 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:20,759 Speaker 1: So the last year, um, we caught and killed just 645 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:26,239 Speaker 1: over six thousand, five hundred in this state. In the state, Yeah, 646 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,759 Speaker 1: just in Missouri. Now the other states to take you know, 647 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 1: numbers many many, many more than that, Texas, Oklahoma. You 648 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 1: know those guys, Um, they take a lot, a lot 649 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: of pigs and multiple thousands of hawks. And in that 650 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,840 Speaker 1: time when you've taken them, have you guys gotten a 651 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 1: sense of where exactly they're coming from? Well, we know, 652 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 1: we know where they are. Um. And as much as 653 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 1: it's it's a relatively new when you say fifteen years, 654 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 1: it's a relatively new problem. Uh, the Missouri Department of 655 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 1: Conservation has really rolled up as sleeves and out to 656 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,719 Speaker 1: work and ask their ball just and their people in 657 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,799 Speaker 1: the field and done a lot of work, and we 658 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,359 Speaker 1: know or we feel like we have a pretty good 659 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 1: handle on on where those populations are. And it's it 660 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,320 Speaker 1: looks like uh, it's it's not a blob, of course, 661 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 1: like natural sip. It looks like a zebra or a checkerboard, 662 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 1: or it's it's patchwork um. And so across the entire state, 663 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,400 Speaker 1: across the entire state, mostly in the southern half and 664 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: mostly in the ozarks, and mostly on public land. Yeah, 665 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 1: of course, why do you think that is? I have 666 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,359 Speaker 1: no idea what because people can hunt it, really And 667 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,759 Speaker 1: so if you were to turn if you had a 668 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,080 Speaker 1: truck a little pigs and your neighbor is a guy 669 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 1: you don't get along with, and you know he's not 670 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 1: gonna let you hunt those pigs in the back of 671 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 1: your truck on his place. You're gonna turn the loose 672 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 1: on his place, of course. Not, You're gonna go yeah, yeah, 673 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,879 Speaker 1: all right, You're gonna go where you can hunt them. 674 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,920 Speaker 1: So if you lay, if you lay the map of 675 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 1: where Ferrell swine um are in Missouri over public ground, 676 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:09,960 Speaker 1: it almost marries up perfectly, No kid, Yeah, I thought 677 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 1: it was really interesting when I was showing Parker yesterday 678 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,320 Speaker 1: pictures of the feral hogs I got on my property. 679 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,239 Speaker 1: He's like, well, that's a Springfield hog. And I mean 680 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,480 Speaker 1: they've they've got it drilled down with your property is 681 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 1: like up against the large chunk of public property, one 682 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,800 Speaker 1: of the one of the largest contiguous pieces of public 683 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:32,160 Speaker 1: property in Missouri. So they're definitely getting released back in there. 684 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 1: But he's able to tell you, like distinctly where this 685 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,359 Speaker 1: hog has been shipped in from and where this hog 686 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,200 Speaker 1: has been Well, I gotta I know, they look a 687 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,959 Speaker 1: little different in different parts of the state, and so yeah, 688 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:46,759 Speaker 1: I don't know that I would go as far as 689 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 1: into I know exactly where they're from, but yeah, but 690 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,919 Speaker 1: they are. They differ, um, depending on where you're grab 691 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 1: them from from, you know, different parts of the state 692 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 1: and different parts of the country. They look completely different. 693 00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 1: So you know, it's so so they're not homogenized me 694 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,440 Speaker 1: and there's like different ones that have different backgrounds, got 695 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:10,320 Speaker 1: them from different places. And and something that um people 696 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,720 Speaker 1: do a lot of times is they introduced domestics into 697 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 1: those wild or feral populations to increase the size body size. Um. 698 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:25,000 Speaker 1: You know, so Zilla came around, well, some of those. 699 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,960 Speaker 1: I remember one of those giant pigs. It turns up 700 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,799 Speaker 1: like a hog Zilla. I don't know, like the it was, like, 701 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 1: not the original one, but one of these giant pigs. 702 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 1: It turns up where a guy exupposed to killed some 703 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,520 Speaker 1: stomp or wild pig. A few days later, a guy 704 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,520 Speaker 1: comes out with photographs of the thing standing in the 705 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,279 Speaker 1: back of the truck. Is he sold it to the guy? 706 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:48,160 Speaker 1: Of course, Yeah, that's not a wild pig, that's ostella 707 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,520 Speaker 1: and provides photo documentation on it. You get it. If 708 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,320 Speaker 1: you get two hundred fifty three hundred pounds, that's a 709 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,080 Speaker 1: serious wild hog. That's a big one, you know. And 710 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:03,239 Speaker 1: they're all born right yeah, I mean they're they're not 711 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,000 Speaker 1: eating their nat eating corn from from the bucket, you know, 712 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,440 Speaker 1: They're they're eating akrons and and whatever else they can 713 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,480 Speaker 1: get down in and out in the woods. So you know, 714 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,440 Speaker 1: two hundor fifty three hundre pounds is a great big 715 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,480 Speaker 1: and now they get bigger. But you know that's that's 716 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,200 Speaker 1: a great big adult. So I want to get into 717 00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:25,400 Speaker 1: talking about the process of um how it all works. 718 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:33,000 Speaker 1: Meaning you identify a here, here's a new blip on 719 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,880 Speaker 1: the map, Okay, you identify a population of these things, 720 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:41,279 Speaker 1: how does it come to your attention? Okay, how do 721 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 1: you verify the presence? And then what are the steps 722 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,640 Speaker 1: that take as as you sort of walk through, Like, wow, 723 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,879 Speaker 1: now we got a new gang of pigs we gotta 724 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,040 Speaker 1: deal with all right, that's kind of a that's a 725 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,719 Speaker 1: that's kind of a two part question. Number one, Um, 726 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,040 Speaker 1: how do we deal with the new populations? What do 727 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 1: we do? So? Um, like I said, the Missouri Department 728 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:07,600 Speaker 1: of Conservation, Mark Twain, National Force, Army Corps, engineers. We 729 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,399 Speaker 1: have a group of eleven land management agencies that are 730 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,359 Speaker 1: all out on this. On these public public lands, now 731 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:19,160 Speaker 1: public lands and private lands, we differentiate. We do not 732 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:23,160 Speaker 1: go on anybody's land that does not invite us. So people, 733 00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,239 Speaker 1: so farmers are people who who have fero swine or 734 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,680 Speaker 1: wild hogs. They want help, they give us a shout, right. So, 735 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,000 Speaker 1: so you can't go even you can't go on someone 736 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,719 Speaker 1: land the same way you'd be able to go onto 737 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:41,160 Speaker 1: their land for you know, emergency purposes or anything like 738 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,480 Speaker 1: no way, no way, no, no, we can't trespass. We 739 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,279 Speaker 1: have a we have a form that we have to 740 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:51,000 Speaker 1: get them to sign. That lets us be on their property. Yeah, 741 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,120 Speaker 1: I mean that that that's good. Obviously, it's not surprising 742 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:55,839 Speaker 1: me by me. I know that there are certain things 743 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 1: like you're cooking up some meth on your land, for instance, 744 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,480 Speaker 1: people can go on there and get that, while services 745 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:06,000 Speaker 1: can because we're non regulatory. Yeah. So, um so we 746 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,160 Speaker 1: have got it at times we have not that I'm 747 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:09,880 Speaker 1: not I know that you don't set the positive, but 748 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:14,480 Speaker 1: that that at times has the really problematic and it 749 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,800 Speaker 1: always will be. So if you're trying to do an eradication, 750 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,839 Speaker 1: there's three things that have to happen. Right. You have 751 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:26,200 Speaker 1: to have a uh control that works right, you're you 752 00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:30,680 Speaker 1: have to have something that gets rid of whatever you're 753 00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 1: trying to get rid of. If you're doing rats, you 754 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,600 Speaker 1: have to have a toxic that kills them, right, and 755 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,879 Speaker 1: it has to be effective. Number two, every individual has 756 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:43,760 Speaker 1: to be exposed to said control measure, right. And number three, 757 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:49,640 Speaker 1: you have to have one per cent uh that was 758 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,040 Speaker 1: number two. Number two, everybody's got to get exposed, which 759 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,359 Speaker 1: is the problem. And and number three, you can't have 760 00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,040 Speaker 1: any immigration in from from outside sources. So if we 761 00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:00,960 Speaker 1: get rid of all all the all the pigs in 762 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,759 Speaker 1: southern Missouri and somebody brings them back in. Well, by god, 763 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,080 Speaker 1: we start over. So those three things, that's why it 764 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:11,640 Speaker 1: seems like eradication can happen on small islands right successfully, 765 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,440 Speaker 1: it doesn't happen on large land masses. It happens in 766 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:20,560 Speaker 1: large land masses when everybody gets united and and recognizes 767 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,480 Speaker 1: these are bad. But you were right, and it's a 768 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,600 Speaker 1: it's a fact. It's going to be very problematic in 769 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,839 Speaker 1: the future. Yeah, there's a fight going on right now 770 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:33,120 Speaker 1: legislatively over Farrell hawks. You actually have legislators down in 771 00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,280 Speaker 1: this part of the state in support of Ferrell hawk hunting, 772 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,160 Speaker 1: very upset with the Department of Conservation for trying to 773 00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,920 Speaker 1: do the right thing and eliminate not only the desire 774 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,000 Speaker 1: to hunt them, but the entire population. So it's a 775 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,239 Speaker 1: it's a political bat there's an actual political conversation about 776 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,040 Speaker 1: whether or not you want wild pigs or not. The 777 00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:57,080 Speaker 1: only reason you can hunt wild pigs on uh Mark 778 00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,480 Speaker 1: Twain National Force right now is because a certain politician 779 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:06,040 Speaker 1: has threatened, you know, retribution if it were to be stopped. 780 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:14,799 Speaker 1: All right, So back to how does a problem become like, 781 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,839 Speaker 1: how does the new population become identified and then what 782 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,880 Speaker 1: steps are taken to to just to go address the issue. 783 00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:26,040 Speaker 1: All right, So we have a strategic elimination plan within 784 00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,640 Speaker 1: Missouri with within our patchwork. We know where they are, 785 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:33,719 Speaker 1: we know the terrain, the habitat, the accessibility, um, and 786 00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:38,640 Speaker 1: then we put those resources in that area. Elimination areas 787 00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:42,960 Speaker 1: one one is our lowest population UM. We have the 788 00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:47,920 Speaker 1: most accessibility to it. The terrain is most conducive for elimination, 789 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:53,200 Speaker 1: and we're being very very successful. UM. We are repetitively 790 00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,360 Speaker 1: successful on If you think about a fire and a 791 00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,719 Speaker 1: little ember goes out in your yard and starts that 792 00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,160 Speaker 1: those are popping up, that's what you're talking about. When 793 00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,360 Speaker 1: those pop up, we drop what we're doing and we 794 00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:07,920 Speaker 1: make sure those populations do not become established. So we have, 795 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,320 Speaker 1: like I said, eleven partner agencies and all their people 796 00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,239 Speaker 1: are out there all the time on all of these 797 00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,400 Speaker 1: public lands, and when new sign or sightings happen, it 798 00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,520 Speaker 1: gets to us pretty quick, um, and we've been very 799 00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:25,640 Speaker 1: successful at at suppressing those those new population. You look 800 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,160 Speaker 1: in there's a new blip on the map that takes 801 00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,080 Speaker 1: priority over some established population that you've been struggling. It 802 00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,040 Speaker 1: does yeah, and and what you guys do, like how 803 00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,360 Speaker 1: do you going and even begin Well, it's and it's 804 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,399 Speaker 1: a it's a once we get land access, it's it's 805 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,840 Speaker 1: no different than than any other the control worker do. 806 00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,000 Speaker 1: We set up cameras, look at the sign, put out bait, 807 00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,000 Speaker 1: get them on bait, and trap them and remove them 808 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,400 Speaker 1: as quick as we can. So you use trail cameras 809 00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,480 Speaker 1: to try to verify the presence. Yeah, we use trail cameras. 810 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,120 Speaker 1: And you know, the thing about pigs is you kind 811 00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:58,839 Speaker 1: of know when they're there. You know, that makes such 812 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,520 Speaker 1: a mess, and in our they're rooting and tracks and 813 00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,200 Speaker 1: rubbing on trees. That's it's not hard to figure out 814 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:09,040 Speaker 1: when there and something identify a population of like one, 815 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:14,040 Speaker 1: oh yeah all the time. Oh yeah, And you can 816 00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:15,800 Speaker 1: come in. Someone could be like, hey, I saw a 817 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,319 Speaker 1: wild pig and you can go in and usually you're 818 00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,799 Speaker 1: like a good enough tracker or whatever that someone could 819 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:22,719 Speaker 1: go in there and be like, yeah, it's true, No 820 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,000 Speaker 1: I'm not that good there. It's a big You dump 821 00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,200 Speaker 1: out corn and they come to it. That's like you 822 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:32,880 Speaker 1: verify or that's a way to do it right, yeah, yeah, 823 00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:34,880 Speaker 1: And then what are the ways in which you guys 824 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:39,719 Speaker 1: catch them and kill them. Um. We do mostly. Probably 825 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:44,000 Speaker 1: nine of ar take is is trapping, a smaller percent 826 00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:48,920 Speaker 1: is night shooting, and then another percent is aerial gunning. 827 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,680 Speaker 1: So talk about the night shooting. How's that work? Um. 828 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:57,279 Speaker 1: Night shooting is used in in specific situations. UM. A 829 00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,000 Speaker 1: lot of times when we have single uh bowl wurs. Uh. 830 00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,839 Speaker 1: We don't spend a lot of time trapping boars. Uh. 831 00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,200 Speaker 1: We target females because that's our population control, the sounders, 832 00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,640 Speaker 1: the big groups. UM. So we're targeting them. If we 833 00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,920 Speaker 1: have some some boards that are hanging around, sometimes we'll 834 00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,920 Speaker 1: do that. If we're having crop damage. UM. So if 835 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,800 Speaker 1: you have a field of corn, right, if you have 836 00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,879 Speaker 1: a hundred acres of corn, it's hard to go pull 837 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,800 Speaker 1: pour out a bucket of corn and get them to 838 00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,520 Speaker 1: come in your trap. Uh. And every night you know 839 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,600 Speaker 1: that corns in the dough stage and the hogs are 840 00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:33,680 Speaker 1: wrecking it. You know, in the landowner the farmers just 841 00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,279 Speaker 1: beside himself pulling his hair out. We use a lot 842 00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,920 Speaker 1: of night shooting then to keep them, um, keep them 843 00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,920 Speaker 1: out of the out of the corn. UM. When we 844 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:46,160 Speaker 1: get down to the last few animals, that is generally 845 00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,759 Speaker 1: how we remove them through night shooting. So I was 846 00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,520 Speaker 1: able to go out on one of these night shooting 847 00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:54,200 Speaker 1: excursions with some of Parker's people, and uh, not to 848 00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,880 Speaker 1: diminish the noble work, but man, that was pretty fun. 849 00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,760 Speaker 1: Like we actually were in the bed of pickup truck 850 00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:04,040 Speaker 1: and I was the guy with a thermal imaging scope 851 00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,799 Speaker 1: and we're cruising the corn fields on the outside of 852 00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:12,200 Speaker 1: Fort Leonard Wood Army Base and you're just on farms 853 00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,280 Speaker 1: that you have permission to be on, driving their farms 854 00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,200 Speaker 1: in the winter, using thermal imaging to locate these hogs. 855 00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:23,120 Speaker 1: And the driver's driving. We're sitting in the back scoping. 856 00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,480 Speaker 1: When you see him, you tap on the top of 857 00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:29,880 Speaker 1: the truck. They stopped, the shooter gets out. Pile pile, 858 00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:34,279 Speaker 1: just one field had thirty in it. Probably that was 859 00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,680 Speaker 1: the biggest one we saw. And then working to assist 860 00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,719 Speaker 1: a farmer who's trying to protect the crop. Yeah, the 861 00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,839 Speaker 1: general rule we on those big groups, we really try 862 00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,120 Speaker 1: not to night shoot, and we try not to shoot 863 00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:50,600 Speaker 1: where we're trapping because it really messes up our whole system, 864 00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,399 Speaker 1: makes them much more difficult to trap. These situations are 865 00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,200 Speaker 1: like we said, when a farmer's just beside himself in 866 00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,440 Speaker 1: a and you know he's just getting so much damage 867 00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,759 Speaker 1: that that's really one of our only options is to 868 00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,319 Speaker 1: do night night work like that. Okay, So talk about 869 00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,960 Speaker 1: trapping so um sort of like the high of it 870 00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:14,280 Speaker 1: right right. Well, like I said, there's a process, UM, 871 00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:18,960 Speaker 1: and it varies how successful we are by by common year, 872 00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,440 Speaker 1: by location, UM, a lot of variables. It can be 873 00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:28,440 Speaker 1: very frustrating or very very UM efficient. We had a 874 00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,800 Speaker 1: guy last year that works with us, Jameson, He caught 875 00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,640 Speaker 1: sixty two pigs in one trap, and then I think 876 00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,520 Speaker 1: he had over a hundred just that week. UM. So 877 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,279 Speaker 1: when you when they're coming to your corn where they're 878 00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:44,040 Speaker 1: not being pressured from outside sources, UM, without being run 879 00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,120 Speaker 1: with dogs, people shooting at them, their pigs, they're they're 880 00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,560 Speaker 1: pretty easy to catch UM. And so you gotta train 881 00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,880 Speaker 1: them up on the corn. UM. With the system that 882 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:58,280 Speaker 1: we're using right now, whenever they get on the corn, 883 00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,080 Speaker 1: we set the trap in in a matter of two 884 00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,080 Speaker 1: or three nights. We generally have you're not like prebating 885 00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,800 Speaker 1: them for weeks together. Sometimes we do. And it depends 886 00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:09,719 Speaker 1: on the type of trap, and it depends on the 887 00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:13,399 Speaker 1: time of year. UM. So you know it varies. It's 888 00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,560 Speaker 1: it's a it's a wild animal. You know, it doesn't 889 00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,279 Speaker 1: read the same books that we do. So you know, 890 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,880 Speaker 1: you can get them all the first night, um or 891 00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,479 Speaker 1: it could take a month. So you're kind of going 892 00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,520 Speaker 1: by You're you're going by how many you know to 893 00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:27,319 Speaker 1: be in the area and how many you figure are 894 00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:32,040 Speaker 1: hitting the baby. And we use cameras a lot for that. UM. 895 00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:33,719 Speaker 1: So what we want to do is catch up. You know, 896 00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,080 Speaker 1: we're we're working for elimination, so we don't want to 897 00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,360 Speaker 1: catch the first two pigs that run run in the trap. 898 00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,600 Speaker 1: You know, we don't catch the twenty eight others that 899 00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,719 Speaker 1: are outside. So UM, we take steps to make sure 900 00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:48,520 Speaker 1: that we get all of those uh animals in there 901 00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,279 Speaker 1: to remove the whole group. You know, you know one 902 00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,799 Speaker 1: of one or two animals doesn't do us any good. 903 00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,759 Speaker 1: It educates the other ones that UM. You know, it's 904 00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,600 Speaker 1: a lot of investment for a very little return. So, 905 00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,160 Speaker 1: so describe the trap and how it sort of relates 906 00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:07,920 Speaker 1: to the bait pile. Well, I'm gonna get in trouble 907 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,640 Speaker 1: for this because each trapper is very specific about how 908 00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:15,239 Speaker 1: he likes it. As you can imagine. But the long 909 00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:19,200 Speaker 1: and short of it, um is we use around corral trap. 910 00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,360 Speaker 1: Um with a with a drop door in the front. 911 00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:26,759 Speaker 1: We use around corral trap that's elevated off the ground. Um, 912 00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,879 Speaker 1: we use the whole crawl is the whole corral? What's 913 00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,080 Speaker 1: the diameter on that thing? Uh? Five sixteen foot panels? 914 00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,520 Speaker 1: Four or sixteen foot panels. So whatever the math works 915 00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,160 Speaker 1: out of that, it's pretty big. Um. You know there's 916 00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:42,560 Speaker 1: a sixteen by sixteen krawl. Yeah, yeah, Um. We use 917 00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:47,080 Speaker 1: some commercially made ones spending it on what Uh it's 918 00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,680 Speaker 1: a it's a it's real hard to explain with us. 919 00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:51,680 Speaker 1: There's there's a cardinal pole that goes in the in 920 00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,080 Speaker 1: the middle and some arms will go out in the 921 00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:55,880 Speaker 1: slide that goes up and down. It's kind of a 922 00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:03,040 Speaker 1: reverse yeah umbrella type mechanism there walking under the bar 923 00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:06,120 Speaker 1: of the suspended trap. It's really neat. You know. The 924 00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:10,240 Speaker 1: Noble Foundation developed a trap uh called the board buster, 925 00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,319 Speaker 1: and we use it a lot and it's, um, it's 926 00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,920 Speaker 1: really effective and I don't know, but somebody needs to 927 00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:21,160 Speaker 1: do with study. It's not that hogs don't look up, 928 00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,880 Speaker 1: but they if they can see through something I think, Uh, 929 00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,960 Speaker 1: they they go in, they go in a lot faster 930 00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:31,120 Speaker 1: than they do like a regular door, uh six eight 931 00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,040 Speaker 1: foot wide door. I don't know if they don't like 932 00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,879 Speaker 1: going through it or what. But the thing this the 933 00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:40,040 Speaker 1: guys that came up with the with that uh technology, 934 00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:44,520 Speaker 1: many they revolutionized UM. Hog trapping as far as getting 935 00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:49,040 Speaker 1: hogs to go underneath started out years ago. I think 936 00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:53,320 Speaker 1: with the drop nets. You remember those same concept. Um, 937 00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,880 Speaker 1: this is just just just a hog trap and a 938 00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,799 Speaker 1: metal hog trap that drops down and and so you know, 939 00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,160 Speaker 1: it just varies. You know times a regular door they'll 940 00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:05,320 Speaker 1: run right in. You just it's variable. So so the 941 00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:11,280 Speaker 1: drop trap are they monitoring it through some kind of camera? Right? So? Um, 942 00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,880 Speaker 1: the commercial ones are monitored through some kind of camera 943 00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,120 Speaker 1: RS or not, because as you can tell this week 944 00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,200 Speaker 1: by your cell phone they're absolutely useless. You might as 945 00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,279 Speaker 1: well throw it in the river out here, no cell 946 00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:27,920 Speaker 1: service whatsoever. So RS are triggered uh, manually by by 947 00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:31,239 Speaker 1: a hog. And you know it's as interesting. We we 948 00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:35,360 Speaker 1: came up with all different um sort of trigger mechanisms 949 00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,440 Speaker 1: and in different ways of doing it to try to 950 00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:41,960 Speaker 1: maximize our our catching. And one of the guys that 951 00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:45,040 Speaker 1: that worked work with us now and said, hey, guys, 952 00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:49,040 Speaker 1: let's let's put them the trigger the height of the 953 00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,520 Speaker 1: biggest pig that we have on camera instead of right 954 00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:54,279 Speaker 1: down on the ground. Yeah, and you know, we kind 955 00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:55,680 Speaker 1: of looked at each other like, well, we haven't been 956 00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:59,000 Speaker 1: doing that for ten years, you know. So the first 957 00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:00,839 Speaker 1: ones in, just like any thing, you know, the young 958 00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,719 Speaker 1: dumb ones run right in, you know, the smaller animals, 959 00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,359 Speaker 1: and generally the last animal to go into the most 960 00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,920 Speaker 1: the biggest, most mature, and so the goal is to 961 00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:12,920 Speaker 1: have that animal inside, and generally when that animals inside, 962 00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,960 Speaker 1: then all the rest of them are caught. Yeah. So 963 00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,239 Speaker 1: how many did someone get in one trap? Sixty two? 964 00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:24,160 Speaker 1: Sixty two inside of a sixteen by sixteen they were 965 00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:28,719 Speaker 1: packed in? Yeah? Yeah, did it get them all? Every 966 00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,640 Speaker 1: one of them? It was Yeah, it was super neat 967 00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:32,839 Speaker 1: and that was it. And it might have been sixty eight, 968 00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,480 Speaker 1: but I think it was sixty two. Yeah, that was it. Gone. 969 00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:39,400 Speaker 1: I mean sixty two pigs gone, you know, in three nights. 970 00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,759 Speaker 1: One guy, what does what does what would it take 971 00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:48,800 Speaker 1: to do that? With dogs, with stand hunting, with sport hunting, 972 00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,799 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's that's how you get there, You're 973 00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:56,800 Speaker 1: not never Yeah, that's what you're saying. Now, explain the 974 00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,120 Speaker 1: other kind of trap. The corral trap is not suspended 975 00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,160 Speaker 1: got trap doors? Sure, just trap doors. And there's all 976 00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:05,520 Speaker 1: different uh different styles and and they and they all work, 977 00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:09,279 Speaker 1: you know, their own in their own uh uh way. 978 00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,799 Speaker 1: And you know, some are very effective and and some 979 00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:13,480 Speaker 1: of them not so much that you know, there's a 980 00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,440 Speaker 1: whole another other discussion on the trap doors. Some some 981 00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:20,000 Speaker 1: guys are super you know, it's trappers, man. They're all 982 00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:23,160 Speaker 1: got their own thing and and uh so, but they're 983 00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,600 Speaker 1: all effective. You know, once you train that animal to 984 00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:29,720 Speaker 1: go inside. Um, they're effective. There's multi catch doors and 985 00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:33,440 Speaker 1: then the ones you can um trigger from your cell 986 00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,720 Speaker 1: phone or ones that are manually triggered, and you know, 987 00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:40,880 Speaker 1: all variations in in through there. When does aerial gunning 988 00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:44,440 Speaker 1: come into place? That's gonna be expensive. Well, aerial gunning 989 00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:49,400 Speaker 1: comes into play, um in Missouri. In in other areas 990 00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,280 Speaker 1: they do a lot more of it, but the terrain 991 00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,880 Speaker 1: is a lot better for it than than in the ozarks. 992 00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:57,880 Speaker 1: You know. Um, aerial gunning comes into play when we're 993 00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:03,760 Speaker 1: trying to protect a very remote area. UM. You know, 994 00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,320 Speaker 1: as you can imagine getting some traps way back in 995 00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,360 Speaker 1: some of these areas. We also use aerial gunning for 996 00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:13,680 Speaker 1: the last few animals UM, particularly of trap showl ones 997 00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,640 Speaker 1: are ones we can't find, we'll use that helicopter UM 998 00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,680 Speaker 1: to do that. We we did it most recently UM 999 00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:23,240 Speaker 1: down in southeast Missouri when the when the water came up, 1000 00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:25,760 Speaker 1: and when the water comes up and the river floods 1001 00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,680 Speaker 1: and all of the UM pigs get on the levee systems, 1002 00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,760 Speaker 1: you can be very very effective. UM. So you pick it, yeah, 1003 00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,520 Speaker 1: you pick and choosing. And we also use aerial gunning, 1004 00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:39,960 Speaker 1: not just aerial gunning, but aerial surveillance. So when you're 1005 00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:43,520 Speaker 1: thinking about elimination, you have to detect everybody. So we 1006 00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,160 Speaker 1: know we may have some pigs in this area, We're 1007 00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,480 Speaker 1: not sure, So you can go up and look down 1008 00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,480 Speaker 1: in the wintertime and see if there's fresh rooting and 1009 00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,760 Speaker 1: or not. Like, hey, we we flew this whole area 1010 00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,480 Speaker 1: and there's no fresh rooting and we're taking us months 1011 00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,400 Speaker 1: to scout it out by by ground, you know, or 1012 00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,400 Speaker 1: by foot. So it's used for other things other than 1013 00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:06,800 Speaker 1: just aerial control. So we're like take a place like 1014 00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,600 Speaker 1: where we're sitting right now. Right, there's pigs up there. 1015 00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,680 Speaker 1: I think we uh, we took a picture of a 1016 00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:20,640 Speaker 1: track today, So where is it on the list right? Like, like, 1017 00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:22,640 Speaker 1: where is this spot? How do you got how would 1018 00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,560 Speaker 1: you typify this location? We are We're in a big 1019 00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:32,080 Speaker 1: chunk of public land right in the Ozarks, is pretty 1020 00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:36,360 Speaker 1: heavily rolled it up. There's a lot of recreation goes on. Um, 1021 00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:43,520 Speaker 1: it's it's bordered by small farms and recreational properties. And 1022 00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:47,080 Speaker 1: there's some number of wild pigs out there. All right, 1023 00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,480 Speaker 1: So is this spot like on hold or is it 1024 00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:53,000 Speaker 1: like on monitoring or is it active control? It's active control. 1025 00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:56,800 Speaker 1: So this is Elimination Area Zone four, I think. So 1026 00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:01,320 Speaker 1: Elimination Area Zone four calls for X number of people. 1027 01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,400 Speaker 1: I'd have to look in the in the plan, but um, 1028 01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,120 Speaker 1: there's guys in this zone that that are working this 1029 01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:10,360 Speaker 1: area NonStop. This is one of our areas where we 1030 01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,360 Speaker 1: take the most iron and Reynolds County. You have trappers 1031 01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,560 Speaker 1: that are working here now Oh yeah, yeah, I'll see 1032 01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:20,320 Speaker 1: I'll through this area sure, okay, yeah, And they're using 1033 01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:24,000 Speaker 1: all these different things that you've created where we where 1034 01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,400 Speaker 1: we were talking about that creek there's a trap down there, 1035 01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,720 Speaker 1: oh government trap. Yeah. Okay, when you talk about someone trapping, 1036 01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,280 Speaker 1: I thought when you mentioned that, I pictured that someone 1037 01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:35,800 Speaker 1: wanted to catch that pig, to bring it up, to 1038 01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:39,400 Speaker 1: eat it or move it somewhere or whatever. I got you. 1039 01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:47,040 Speaker 1: So that was like a removal plan because it's clean. Now. Yeah. Um, 1040 01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:52,000 Speaker 1: you mentioned to me some work on some some work 1041 01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:57,000 Speaker 1: has been done on the disease vector issue and how 1042 01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,760 Speaker 1: it might apply to people. All right, can you sketch 1043 01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:03,080 Speaker 1: out some of the because because it's the thing people say, right, Oh, 1044 01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:10,120 Speaker 1: pigs and full diseases. Sure? Um, like what uh trichinosis 1045 01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,280 Speaker 1: you mentioned you got a dose of that, right, yeah, 1046 01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:16,520 Speaker 1: they have trickin nosis. Um, they have pseudorabies. People can't 1047 01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:19,920 Speaker 1: get pseudoabies, but your your dog can get cedarabies. And 1048 01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,960 Speaker 1: you hear about that happening a lot. Brucellosis. People can 1049 01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:28,040 Speaker 1: get brucellosis, cattle can get cattle can get bruce brucellosis 1050 01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:29,959 Speaker 1: moved from a pig to a coward. You know. Um, 1051 01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:35,600 Speaker 1: I think there's brucels brucellosis uh siuus and brucellosis um 1052 01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:39,080 Speaker 1: for the bovines. And I'm not sure the veterinarian guys 1053 01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,920 Speaker 1: explain it to me and and UM, I don't follow 1054 01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:46,280 Speaker 1: it so much, but I know UM that you that 1055 01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if the sious maybe the sewers can 1056 01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:50,880 Speaker 1: go to the cantals, but it can be passed on 1057 01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,800 Speaker 1: or something like it could definitely go to the domestic pigs. Yeah, 1058 01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,400 Speaker 1: that's probably one of the words they would not get 1059 01:01:56,480 --> 01:02:00,160 Speaker 1: into the right, right. And so those guys are all 1060 01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:03,880 Speaker 1: the egg industry is always testing their their heard right, 1061 01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:07,200 Speaker 1: and they're always clean, clean, clean clean, And if they 1062 01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:11,560 Speaker 1: get a positive that that whole thing gets quarantined and 1063 01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,800 Speaker 1: and transport, you know, stops, whether it's in state, out 1064 01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:18,280 Speaker 1: of state, whatever the rags are, you know, transport stops. 1065 01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:21,160 Speaker 1: So yeah, So so for listeners, if you if you 1066 01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:25,120 Speaker 1: follow her every year, you'll hear a big story about 1067 01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:35,520 Speaker 1: um people fighting over whether bison they're leaving yellowsto National Park. Um. 1068 01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:37,880 Speaker 1: The issue there comes down to the scene we're talking 1069 01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:41,640 Speaker 1: about with brucellosis, depending on who you ask. And I'll 1070 01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:43,280 Speaker 1: actually lay this whole thing out real quick as much 1071 01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:46,080 Speaker 1: as I can, so when the snow's pile up in 1072 01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:51,800 Speaker 1: the late winter, you'll have buffalo migrate out of Yelosto 1073 01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:55,760 Speaker 1: National Park, and they'll come out into various private lands, 1074 01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:59,920 Speaker 1: national forest lands and and go about their business. Uh, 1075 01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:06,919 Speaker 1: there's a fear that these animals will re will will 1076 01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:11,880 Speaker 1: reintroduce a Eurasian cattle disease back to cattle. So cattle 1077 01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:15,160 Speaker 1: that were brought here to the US had a disease 1078 01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:22,440 Speaker 1: called brucellosis. Brucellosis was passed two buffalo and there's infections 1079 01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:26,760 Speaker 1: in the park. But then in the meantime they eradicated 1080 01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:30,320 Speaker 1: it from domestic house So now the cattle producers in 1081 01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:35,320 Speaker 1: Wyoming and Montana enjoy what's called brucellosis free status. They 1082 01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:38,360 Speaker 1: don't need to do the constant, rigorous testing because there's 1083 01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,600 Speaker 1: no cases and they haven't had a case in a while. 1084 01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:44,040 Speaker 1: What they're very afraid of is the minute one of 1085 01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:47,640 Speaker 1: these buffalo comes out rubs noses or no it's actually passed, 1086 01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:51,880 Speaker 1: they'll drop a fetus and animals, we'll lick and eat 1087 01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:55,680 Speaker 1: each other's uh after birth. One of these things is 1088 01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:58,360 Speaker 1: gonna pick the disease up, and all of a sudden, 1089 01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:02,080 Speaker 1: the cattlemen of these states will no longer enjoy brucellois 1090 01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:04,680 Speaker 1: free status. And I think that it actually this is 1091 01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:08,000 Speaker 1: something that should be fixed. Really, it actually goes state level. 1092 01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,680 Speaker 1: So a guy in the south, you know, the the 1093 01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:15,680 Speaker 1: guy in the extreme south of Montana or the extreme 1094 01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:19,280 Speaker 1: north of Whealming could get brucellosis and his cattle herd, 1095 01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:24,440 Speaker 1: and it affects the guy four miles away open some 1096 01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:27,680 Speaker 1: other corner of the state. Some people say that the 1097 01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:30,720 Speaker 1: brucellosis thing in terms of buffalo some people say it's 1098 01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:33,720 Speaker 1: all bullshit, And what it really comes down to is 1099 01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:38,520 Speaker 1: a conversation about grazing rights. So that's just and they 1100 01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:41,920 Speaker 1: say that this brucelloisis thing is sort of a proxy 1101 01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:46,480 Speaker 1: in place of this other argument about is this grass 1102 01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:49,840 Speaker 1: belong to cattle or does this grass belonging to these 1103 01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:53,920 Speaker 1: wild ass animals? And so people fight that out all 1104 01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,240 Speaker 1: the time. But until sitting here with you right now, 1105 01:04:56,280 --> 01:05:02,040 Speaker 1: I had no idea that there's with and and so 1106 01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,400 Speaker 1: they're as they're a reservoir, right. We can get it 1107 01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,400 Speaker 1: out of domestics, but you cannot get it out of 1108 01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:10,720 Speaker 1: the wild population. So it's always there. It's always a 1109 01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,760 Speaker 1: threaten it's not always innitie. Can you explain, Uh, you 1110 01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:16,880 Speaker 1: mentioned something yesterday that there's like a closed system with 1111 01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:21,760 Speaker 1: domestic pork. Sure, yeah, so, um, you know, back in 1112 01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:25,560 Speaker 1: back in the day, everybody raised uh their hogs out 1113 01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:29,760 Speaker 1: in the pasture or woven wire fence, you know, hog wire, 1114 01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:34,680 Speaker 1: we called it lecture fencer, the whole thing. And you 1115 01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:37,600 Speaker 1: you heard as a kid a cookier cookie pork, cook 1116 01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:40,200 Speaker 1: cooking pork or whatever, cook a cook a cook it. Well, 1117 01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,560 Speaker 1: you don't hear that so much anymore because in order 1118 01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:47,560 Speaker 1: to meet that demand, those pigs have been brought in 1119 01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:53,400 Speaker 1: inside and in raised in confinement. Um. There, there, it's 1120 01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:56,400 Speaker 1: it's much it's much easier. You don't have to worry 1121 01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,640 Speaker 1: about the disease. You don't have to you know, you 1122 01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:01,160 Speaker 1: could monitor it and measure it and and move your 1123 01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:06,080 Speaker 1: animals of course, yeah, the whole thing. Um. So, so 1124 01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:09,880 Speaker 1: when they're in there, they they're not you know, rubbing 1125 01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:13,560 Speaker 1: noses or whatever with Ferrell swine, you know, transmitting disease 1126 01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:16,000 Speaker 1: out there on the ground or picking up those different 1127 01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:19,080 Speaker 1: nematodes or whatever it is. Um, we can get it 1128 01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:22,840 Speaker 1: out now. Um. There's kind of a movement to go 1129 01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:29,080 Speaker 1: back to more of a free range, pasture fed type 1130 01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:33,560 Speaker 1: of of pork, which is you know, kind of a 1131 01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:36,280 Speaker 1: kind of a neat thing, I think. But but those 1132 01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:39,440 Speaker 1: you know, those diseases are gonna start popping back up. 1133 01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:42,200 Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna you're gonna get trick nosis. Um, 1134 01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:45,480 Speaker 1: people are gonna get those different things because they're not 1135 01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:49,560 Speaker 1: cooking their pork. Um. So that probably incentivizes people, especially 1136 01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:53,920 Speaker 1: well to control the wild, to control the Ferrell swine. Sure, yeah, 1137 01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:57,840 Speaker 1: you know it increased chance of exposure. Yes, yeah, absolutely, 1138 01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:02,840 Speaker 1: you know the US not uh right now, I can't 1139 01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:05,440 Speaker 1: remember what nineties some percent of trick noosis cases are 1140 01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:10,040 Speaker 1: transmitted through black bear meat. Yeah, yeah, let's way to 1141 01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:14,400 Speaker 1: get it out of black bears. No. No, So that's that, 1142 01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:17,320 Speaker 1: you know, those disease issues or a reason that we 1143 01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:20,000 Speaker 1: we often get the get the question why don't you 1144 01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:23,480 Speaker 1: guys donate the meat? Um. You know, there's a number 1145 01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:26,240 Speaker 1: of reasons we don't donate donate the meat of the 1146 01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:30,640 Speaker 1: of the hogs that that we capture. Um. Number one 1147 01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:33,360 Speaker 1: is a disease issue. You know, we worked for the 1148 01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:39,480 Speaker 1: federal government. Could you imagine if we donated uh sure 1149 01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:42,680 Speaker 1: to to somebody and they eat up trickon nosis. I mean, 1150 01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:46,280 Speaker 1: that's that's that's a nightmare. Plus you don't want to 1151 01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:49,600 Speaker 1: be giving people trickon nosis. She whiz. What are the 1152 01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:53,840 Speaker 1: handling risks, you know, the each each state game and 1153 01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:56,880 Speaker 1: fish puts out handling risks. You know, wear gloves, you know, 1154 01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:59,160 Speaker 1: if you have cuts on your hands, and you know, 1155 01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:03,200 Speaker 1: wear gloves, don't clean it, wash your hands good afterwards, 1156 01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:06,040 Speaker 1: cook your cook your pork thorough if it's if it's 1157 01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:08,200 Speaker 1: a wild hog, you know, cooking. I'll kill most all 1158 01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:10,400 Speaker 1: this stuff. But a hundred percent of the people are 1159 01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:13,200 Speaker 1: not going a hundred percent cook uh cooked at pork. 1160 01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:16,040 Speaker 1: Another reason we don't like to to donate them, so 1161 01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:19,719 Speaker 1: to speak, is it gives them value. And and once 1162 01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:25,599 Speaker 1: someone starts receiving free pork, what's the incentive to get 1163 01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:30,720 Speaker 1: rid of that pork or want it gone? You know, No, 1164 01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,320 Speaker 1: I could see that it would create like earlier talking 1165 01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:37,960 Speaker 1: about Mischian confusion, and create Mischian confusion. Yeah. So do 1166 01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:42,040 Speaker 1: you feel that you know, I know this is like 1167 01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:45,880 Speaker 1: that this is going on all around the country. Um, 1168 01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:51,280 Speaker 1: but do you feel that it's plausible that that in 1169 01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:55,799 Speaker 1: ten years will be like wow, Uh turns out you know, Missouri, 1170 01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:59,040 Speaker 1: for instance, no longer has wild picks. Yeah, so in 1171 01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:02,080 Speaker 1: in ten years, I don't know if we'll have wild 1172 01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:07,200 Speaker 1: pigs or not, but I will say, um, it's relatively 1173 01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:11,639 Speaker 1: new and as you know, ten fifteen years, so they're 1174 01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:15,439 Speaker 1: the populations are not as dense as they are in 1175 01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:18,719 Speaker 1: other parts of the country. Uh. Once again, the Missouri 1176 01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:21,720 Speaker 1: Department of Conservation rolled up their sleeves and said we're 1177 01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:25,839 Speaker 1: gonna fix this, and they've put the resources in into 1178 01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:30,880 Speaker 1: fixing that. And I believe our population, even within this 1179 01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:35,000 Speaker 1: short infancy of the program is starting to shrink. So 1180 01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:37,200 Speaker 1: what's gonna happen in ten years, I can't tell you, 1181 01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:39,719 Speaker 1: but I know that we're doing good in the areas 1182 01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:43,160 Speaker 1: that we're working. They're getting harder to find. Um, we're 1183 01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:47,800 Speaker 1: we're getting more opposition from the people who want them, 1184 01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,519 Speaker 1: which is in my mind a good thing because they're going, 1185 01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:53,439 Speaker 1: oh oh, you know, it's it's harder for them to 1186 01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:55,599 Speaker 1: hunt them. They're not able to do what they have 1187 01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:58,400 Speaker 1: and move them and transport them and and all those 1188 01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:01,400 Speaker 1: things they've done for uh, you know, untouched for the 1189 01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:05,400 Speaker 1: last ten years. So um, yeah, I think I think 1190 01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:09,240 Speaker 1: in ten years are our six elimination areas are gonna 1191 01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:14,200 Speaker 1: or maybe four elimination areas. Yeah, how much is all 1192 01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:17,800 Speaker 1: this costing everybody. I mean, like these decisions by people 1193 01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:20,759 Speaker 1: to take these you know, decisions by people to break 1194 01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:27,280 Speaker 1: the law and cut loose Ferrell swine right winds up 1195 01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:31,040 Speaker 1: being sort of an enormous burden on people. So, um, 1196 01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:35,720 Speaker 1: the starter say that the starter money was from the 1197 01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:39,760 Speaker 1: aphis uh Ferrell Swine Initiative, and it was to the 1198 01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:44,240 Speaker 1: tune of twenty million dollars. And so that has been 1199 01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:47,679 Speaker 1: like I said, uh, seed money or starter money. Each 1200 01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:50,679 Speaker 1: each state runs a little bit of different program depending 1201 01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,360 Speaker 1: on on how how the state wants it handles or 1202 01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:57,479 Speaker 1: what they do. But so starter money was twenty million. 1203 01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:02,160 Speaker 1: Now people have to heloped cooperative relationships like we have 1204 01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:05,599 Speaker 1: in Missouri. Um, you know, the Mark Twain National Force 1205 01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:09,920 Speaker 1: puts in a lot of money. Um, Missouri State Parks, Um, 1206 01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:13,000 Speaker 1: like I said, the Missouri Department of Conservation, Army, Corps 1207 01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:16,839 Speaker 1: of Engineers. They're all throwing money into a pot for 1208 01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:19,960 Speaker 1: uh the U s d A APHIST wildlife services to 1209 01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:23,439 Speaker 1: higher trappers and and do that work. So you know, 1210 01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:28,400 Speaker 1: all across the state, just you know, just governmental agencies. 1211 01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:31,799 Speaker 1: There's no talents to the multi multi multimillions of dollars 1212 01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:35,360 Speaker 1: not to mention the private um people who are doing 1213 01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:38,280 Speaker 1: those types of things. You know. So I remember years 1214 01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:40,880 Speaker 1: ago looking at a map of the US and it 1215 01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:48,040 Speaker 1: showed where you could raise cattle without supplemental feeding. And 1216 01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:53,759 Speaker 1: it was surprising, surprisingly the places you can't raise cattle 1217 01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:56,880 Speaker 1: about supplemental feeding. Have you ever seen a map? Has 1218 01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:59,160 Speaker 1: they one drawn up a map of where is it 1219 01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:04,960 Speaker 1: possible that wild pigs could get established when you factor 1220 01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:09,360 Speaker 1: in climate issues. I have a hard time picturing that 1221 01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:16,080 Speaker 1: Northern Wyoming wouldn't phase them, the brutality of that when 1222 01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:19,559 Speaker 1: they're in Quebec, you know, they they're they're all in Canada. 1223 01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:22,280 Speaker 1: It doesn't phase in their toughest nails. That's why there's 1224 01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:28,120 Speaker 1: such a bad invasive. Yeah, wouldn't phase them because I've 1225 01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:30,800 Speaker 1: seen pictures of them in in you know, in Siberia, 1226 01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:34,559 Speaker 1: in the running around the snow, which looks crazy. Yeah, 1227 01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:40,559 Speaker 1: you feel like the Wyomings I remember, I remember that 1228 01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:44,479 Speaker 1: Colorado feels it's plausible. I think they've already had it 1229 01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:47,880 Speaker 1: in there. Yeah, But there's there's a difference, and maybe 1230 01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:50,240 Speaker 1: you can speak to this, maybe Parker speak this, because 1231 01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:53,799 Speaker 1: there's a difference like the Michigan ones, the Michigan cases 1232 01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:55,880 Speaker 1: might not be in these like isolated cases where some 1233 01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:58,160 Speaker 1: guys running some little fake hunting place where you go 1234 01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:01,479 Speaker 1: and pretend that you're hunting a pig and he gets 1235 01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:04,640 Speaker 1: some escape, like he doesn't get away. So I was like, 1236 01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:07,800 Speaker 1: oh my god, Michigan's got wild pigs. But it's kind 1237 01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:12,519 Speaker 1: of like very isolated gets mopped up pretty quickly, you know. 1238 01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:16,040 Speaker 1: It's not sort of this where you just have these 1239 01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:20,800 Speaker 1: populations that are naturally reproducing going on for many generations, 1240 01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:24,800 Speaker 1: spreading around. You just get these like isolated blips. And 1241 01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:30,200 Speaker 1: so yeah, I have I don't know, I'm not like 1242 01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:33,240 Speaker 1: a pig wild pig guy. I'm not. I've enjoyed hunting 1243 01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:36,160 Speaker 1: them in quite a number of locations, but yeah, it's 1244 01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:40,240 Speaker 1: hard for me to picture that. In Wyoming, it's open country, 1245 01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:45,800 Speaker 1: tons of snow, extremely cold. Uh, it's just hard for 1246 01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:48,560 Speaker 1: me to picture that you would that that it's possible 1247 01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:52,640 Speaker 1: that a that a sounder would get a foothold and 1248 01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:55,720 Speaker 1: start naturally reproducing and not just be well it was 1249 01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:59,200 Speaker 1: wiped out. What's the question, can you wipe him out? 1250 01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:01,800 Speaker 1: Or could they live there? Yeah? You're right, I could. 1251 01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:05,280 Speaker 1: I did. I asked two different things. Sure, sure, you know. 1252 01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:09,560 Speaker 1: So the northern Wyoming I have never been there. Um, 1253 01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:13,280 Speaker 1: I'm guessing it's open, a lot of rolling prairie. I 1254 01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:18,120 Speaker 1: don't know. Aerial gunning would be extremely extremely effective and 1255 01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:22,680 Speaker 1: and yeah, it would be so easy to eliminate. But 1256 01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:26,439 Speaker 1: I could live there, I perfectly fine. Yeah, yeah, as 1257 01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:29,599 Speaker 1: evidence by the fact, like I said, they come from Siberia, right, 1258 01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:32,320 Speaker 1: you know, I I know they uh, my counterpart in 1259 01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:35,479 Speaker 1: North Dakota. Um, they do Farrell swine work coming in 1260 01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:39,479 Speaker 1: from Canada. Yeah, it's coming from the north, yeah, coming. Yeah, 1261 01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:43,040 Speaker 1: the influx is from the north. North Dakota gets Farrell 1262 01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:50,439 Speaker 1: pigs coming from the Yeah, yeah really yeah. What are 1263 01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:54,320 Speaker 1: they doing up there? Some money put them there? What 1264 01:14:54,360 --> 01:15:02,600 Speaker 1: are they eating? They're pigs only anything, you know, roots, tubers, eggs, 1265 01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:10,080 Speaker 1: you know whatever, wild pigs, international borders. Sure, yeah, huh, 1266 01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:12,760 Speaker 1: all right. That answers that question regularly. So that's how 1267 01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:16,280 Speaker 1: we're gonna give him in Montana too, right next door. 1268 01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:18,640 Speaker 1: So you keep tabs on kind of what's going on 1269 01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:21,200 Speaker 1: in the whole country, Well, no, I don't care. I 1270 01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:22,920 Speaker 1: I know what's going on, you know, just by my 1271 01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:26,439 Speaker 1: counterparts in the projects they're do when Yeah, So in 1272 01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:28,559 Speaker 1: the States, I only know one for sure, I think 1273 01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:31,360 Speaker 1: on top of my head. But like Indiana has outlawed 1274 01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:34,719 Speaker 1: the hunting of the pigs. Do they feel over there 1275 01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:40,599 Speaker 1: like that's working for him? They do? And it states 1276 01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:46,200 Speaker 1: that outlaw hunting have recognized that hunting is and I 1277 01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:49,160 Speaker 1: wish there was a different word than hunting. I don't 1278 01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:54,480 Speaker 1: even like to say hunting, but it's pursuit of barnyard 1279 01:15:54,520 --> 01:16:01,120 Speaker 1: animals eyes, I don't know. Yeah, they've recognized as that 1280 01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:04,920 Speaker 1: is what exacerbates the problem. That's why they're there, that's 1281 01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:07,439 Speaker 1: why people move them, that's what they want to do. Now, 1282 01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:10,080 Speaker 1: those states that don't have that culture, they can go 1283 01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:12,719 Speaker 1: we've banned wild hog hunt. Everybody goes, all right, whatever, 1284 01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:14,960 Speaker 1: we don't know what you're talking about, you know. So 1285 01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:19,960 Speaker 1: it's it's a very effective way to um get some 1286 01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:26,240 Speaker 1: really important legislation introduced. Everyone I know that used to 1287 01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:28,720 Speaker 1: move fish around from lake to lake and river the river, 1288 01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:34,080 Speaker 1: if you told them it was illegal to fish that species, 1289 01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:35,840 Speaker 1: to fish in that lake, even though it didn't have 1290 01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:38,960 Speaker 1: it yet, they would have been completely de incentivized. Of course, 1291 01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:42,000 Speaker 1: to dump them in there. What would you do it? Sure? 1292 01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:45,240 Speaker 1: Unless someone's like, I'm just a rule breaker anyway, man, 1293 01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:47,639 Speaker 1: and a rule breaker. I'll break the rule of putting 1294 01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:49,840 Speaker 1: them there, and then I'll break the rule of hunting them. Yeah. 1295 01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:51,400 Speaker 1: It goes back to the public land saying if you 1296 01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:54,720 Speaker 1: got a bucket full of whatever fish and that guy's like, 1297 01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:57,720 Speaker 1: don't ever come to my pond. And this neighbor over 1298 01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:01,360 Speaker 1: here says, everybody can fish right in pond. Man, you 1299 01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:12,679 Speaker 1: know same thing. Where are you gonna go next? Where 1300 01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:16,439 Speaker 1: am I gonna go next? I'm going home to finish 1301 01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:19,759 Speaker 1: my turkey season. No, but I mean what's your next? 1302 01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:22,880 Speaker 1: Like what like in a career, Like, here's what happens next? 1303 01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:28,120 Speaker 1: You did New Hampshire, Florida. Yeah, yeah, No, I'm I'm 1304 01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:30,960 Speaker 1: digging Missouri. I'm I'm I'm pretty mad at the pigs 1305 01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:34,160 Speaker 1: right now. So um, we'll stick it out here while 1306 01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:36,080 Speaker 1: and see what happens. And how many guys do you 1307 01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:38,200 Speaker 1: have out right now? Not right now, but I mean 1308 01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:40,760 Speaker 1: how many guys are working the pig problem? So like 1309 01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:43,720 Speaker 1: we go back to the partnership we and it's uh, 1310 01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:46,639 Speaker 1: it's being looked at nationally as a as a good 1311 01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:51,840 Speaker 1: model on on how to eliminate Ferrell swine and uh, 1312 01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:55,960 Speaker 1: those different agencies, about half of them actively have people 1313 01:17:56,160 --> 01:18:00,200 Speaker 1: out on the ground doing doing a hog trapping and 1314 01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:05,200 Speaker 1: we work together seamlessly. M d C, UH Jury Partment, Conservation, 1315 01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:07,759 Speaker 1: U S, d eph IS, Wildlife Service, Mark Twain, National 1316 01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:11,000 Speaker 1: Forest Army Corps engineers. All those trappers know each other, 1317 01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:14,920 Speaker 1: they're all communication. They're working around. So I, you know, 1318 01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:19,799 Speaker 1: I have twenty five or so going in in MDC. 1319 01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:22,600 Speaker 1: Has however many they have in Mark Twain. So you 1320 01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:27,280 Speaker 1: know as far as people doing actual trapping in the state, 1321 01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:31,720 Speaker 1: there's quite a few. So you have twenty five trappers 1322 01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:37,479 Speaker 1: right now. What's a good year for those guys? Uh? Good? 1323 01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:39,240 Speaker 1: I guess to get bad the higher the numbers to 1324 01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:42,000 Speaker 1: be the worst year. But let me so you got 1325 01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:44,280 Speaker 1: one guy, you got one guy. If they kill three pigs, 1326 01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:47,479 Speaker 1: they're they're high five and going to get beers because hey, 1327 01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:49,519 Speaker 1: they killed three pigs out of ten and thirty percent 1328 01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:52,000 Speaker 1: of the population. The other guy and they cross the 1329 01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:55,360 Speaker 1: state kill six hundred. Uh, he has no idea, you know, 1330 01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:58,320 Speaker 1: he's just he's just working as hard as you can. So, yeah, 1331 01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:01,040 Speaker 1: it depends on where you are. Man. You know, hey, 1332 01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:04,280 Speaker 1: there's there's legendary pigs. Hey, we finally got her, We 1333 01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:08,120 Speaker 1: finally did and the word spreads, you know, like some 1334 01:19:08,240 --> 01:19:12,599 Speaker 1: female y like like how long has she been a legend? 1335 01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:17,559 Speaker 1: You know, cople years you know, and and um, you 1336 01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:20,719 Speaker 1: know you you you'd kill her offspring and she'd still 1337 01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:23,240 Speaker 1: be knocking around, you know, and you can't shoot or 1338 01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:26,479 Speaker 1: can't tramp her. Yeah, yeah, super super smart. And then 1339 01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:29,920 Speaker 1: finally you get her, you know, and it's yeah, and 1340 01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:33,360 Speaker 1: once you get them, you know, you got them. And 1341 01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:36,280 Speaker 1: and that's that's why it's so important not to just 1342 01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:40,400 Speaker 1: remove a few, because of the fecundity of hawks. Man, 1343 01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:42,680 Speaker 1: you gotta get them all, and you've gotta be relentless, 1344 01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:47,680 Speaker 1: and you gotta stay on them. And you know, of 1345 01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:51,599 Speaker 1: our effort goes into five percent of the population, it's 1346 01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:54,920 Speaker 1: not last five percent. That's the same thing. Remember when 1347 01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:57,720 Speaker 1: Steve Kendron was talking about getting rid of those nutrients. Yeah, 1348 01:19:57,760 --> 01:19:59,439 Speaker 1: same things, Like, man, it was easy to get the 1349 01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:02,680 Speaker 1: first ninety five p cent, but man, the last five percent. Man, 1350 01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:07,000 Speaker 1: they had to come up with all kinds of different techniques. Yeah. Yeah, 1351 01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:09,439 Speaker 1: people are talking about off the wall stuff, and you're 1352 01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:13,800 Speaker 1: gonna try it, try it, yeah, Yeah, we gotta get her. 1353 01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,320 Speaker 1: What's like one of the most off the wall strategies 1354 01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:18,200 Speaker 1: you can think of that someone used to get a pig. 1355 01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:22,840 Speaker 1: I don't. There's been all sort of bait, lure, a 1356 01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:28,400 Speaker 1: tracting concoctions made up. Um, they're generally they're killed by 1357 01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:34,360 Speaker 1: night shooting and and generally it's the guys that make 1358 01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:40,599 Speaker 1: the decision I'm going nocturnal and I'm not. I'm not 1359 01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:43,800 Speaker 1: going to see the light of day. And until I do, 1360 01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:46,120 Speaker 1: and they stay up all night and they just become 1361 01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:49,360 Speaker 1: the night predators, you know, and those guys are the 1362 01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:52,799 Speaker 1: it becomes personal with them. You know, it's like I've 1363 01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:56,080 Speaker 1: been after this animal for you know, and wanting to 1364 01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:59,000 Speaker 1: do a good job. And and some of our people 1365 01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:02,760 Speaker 1: are so super dedicated and generally that's generally that's what 1366 01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:06,000 Speaker 1: gets in the nocturnal you know, guys being able to 1367 01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:08,599 Speaker 1: scratch area off the map, scratch it off the map. 1368 01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:12,200 Speaker 1: There's something to be said for that. You know, Hey, 1369 01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:15,160 Speaker 1: that that dot's gone. Now are that blobs gone? And 1370 01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:19,719 Speaker 1: the blobs are shrinking and we're doing uh, we're doing 1371 01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:24,040 Speaker 1: stuff statewide and and and the feedback you get from 1372 01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:28,840 Speaker 1: the from the landowners. Man, it's just it's awesome be 1373 01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:32,200 Speaker 1: able to help them with that problem. Can I see 1374 01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:35,080 Speaker 1: something has nothing to do with pigs. Yeah, you're saying 1375 01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:39,240 Speaker 1: that you grew up along a segue into it because 1376 01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:42,920 Speaker 1: you grew up with pig dogs. Oh yeah, yeah, I did. 1377 01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:45,320 Speaker 1: I but that's not that's not a tool. That's not 1378 01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:49,160 Speaker 1: an effective tool to even use in these situations. I 1379 01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:54,240 Speaker 1: say this, Uh, hogdogs are the most efficient way to 1380 01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:56,760 Speaker 1: wake up in the morning and say I'm gonna go 1381 01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:59,880 Speaker 1: catch one pig. Now. If you show me a pig 1382 01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:02,840 Speaker 1: dog that can catch sixty two, it once by guy, 1383 01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:06,080 Speaker 1: I'm singing the singing the song of the dog dogs. 1384 01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:07,720 Speaker 1: But but no, but even when you got it down 1385 01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:10,880 Speaker 1: to that one, that's if you were looking at it like, 1386 01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:13,519 Speaker 1: that's not really the way to go about it in Missouri. 1387 01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:16,639 Speaker 1: That's that's something that that we've decided not to do. 1388 01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:20,680 Speaker 1: In in other areas, they do utilize that too, And 1389 01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:23,880 Speaker 1: it can be effective when you got one. You can 1390 01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:26,800 Speaker 1: when you're down to the last one, right, you can 1391 01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:30,519 Speaker 1: use it. So but you al said you grew up 1392 01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:36,160 Speaker 1: with squirrel dogs. Yeah, and then you imported squirrel dog technology. 1393 01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:38,680 Speaker 1: I did and do a place that isn't using it 1394 01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:42,840 Speaker 1: right and and it is. Um, I'm did you bring 1395 01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:45,920 Speaker 1: your squirrel dogs in New Hampshire? No, I call them 1396 01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:48,519 Speaker 1: by surprise. They have those you probably know about the 1397 01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:51,719 Speaker 1: red squirrels. Man, like, those things are no good. They're 1398 01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:55,880 Speaker 1: red squirrels, and yeah, pine squirrels. You wouldn't want to 1399 01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:58,479 Speaker 1: take a good Southern squirrel dog on a red squirrel. 1400 01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:03,200 Speaker 1: So we stayed. Wife. You know, they you can eat them. 1401 01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:06,160 Speaker 1: People say they, you know, tastes like turpentine or whatnot 1402 01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:08,320 Speaker 1: because they eats a lot of pine. It's just it's 1403 01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:10,360 Speaker 1: just it's basically it's a squirrel that just happens to 1404 01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:15,800 Speaker 1: be very small. Yeah, it's just a small squirrel are Yeah, 1405 01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:17,639 Speaker 1: but there are guys in Alaska that will go out 1406 01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:20,800 Speaker 1: in the winter and hunt pine squirrels to eat. Pine 1407 01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:25,960 Speaker 1: squirrels have at times had fir market value. So there's 1408 01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:30,360 Speaker 1: been times when um for paintbrush and other usages when 1409 01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:32,400 Speaker 1: you could get like a buck for a pine squirrel. 1410 01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:34,719 Speaker 1: And there'll be guys, you know in the old days, 1411 01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:37,760 Speaker 1: not the old old days, but you know during the night, 1412 01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:40,479 Speaker 1: you know period during the ninet hundreds when they're worth 1413 01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:42,759 Speaker 1: a buck of peace and people go stack up hundreds 1414 01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:46,120 Speaker 1: of them. That's good money and make money on buck 1415 01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:49,800 Speaker 1: of peace pine squirrels. But food wise, even where I 1416 01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:51,919 Speaker 1: grew up, when you if you were out hunting squirrels, 1417 01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:55,280 Speaker 1: we hunted gray squirrels and fox squirrels. You would when 1418 01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:56,880 Speaker 1: you saw a pine squre you wouldn't go after it. 1419 01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:59,639 Speaker 1: But they'd be intermixed, you know. Yeah, Yeah, I don't 1420 01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:03,040 Speaker 1: know the out would differentiate between. I don't know how 1421 01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:05,760 Speaker 1: they'd respond to it. I don't know either. But you 1422 01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:08,479 Speaker 1: know the pine squirrels are feisty. Yeah, like they prey 1423 01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:14,040 Speaker 1: on snowshoot hair leveretts. Yeah, they did a mortality study 1424 01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:19,160 Speaker 1: on snowshoet hairs and I think they found that uh 1425 01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:21,639 Speaker 1: of the twenty like they of the ones they lost, 1426 01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:24,240 Speaker 1: they found twenty seven of them or some. I'm sorry 1427 01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:26,559 Speaker 1: they did this mortality start. You know, the ones they 1428 01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:30,360 Speaker 1: were able to put tracking devices on, percent of them 1429 01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:33,759 Speaker 1: turned up in snow in uh, squirrel middens, pine squirrel middens. 1430 01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:38,880 Speaker 1: They hammer them. I did not know that. Yeah, bird eggs, 1431 01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:43,120 Speaker 1: snowshoet hair, babies, all kinds of stuff. They're Yeah, they're 1432 01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:45,160 Speaker 1: they're kind of like a c. I think them as 1433 01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:47,240 Speaker 1: a cross almost between like a mink and a squirrel, 1434 01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:50,920 Speaker 1: like in their sort of ferocity and then the beep 1435 01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:53,880 Speaker 1: and chirping they do. Yeah, yeah, they'll come get right 1436 01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:55,960 Speaker 1: in your face. Yea they do. Yeah, they'll come right 1437 01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:59,160 Speaker 1: down and get in your face and get in your house. Yeah, 1438 01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:02,479 Speaker 1: there's a whole They a different temperament man. Yeah, they're 1439 01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:04,479 Speaker 1: not kind of they're kind of like electric with energy, 1440 01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:08,040 Speaker 1: you know, not as majestic as a gray squirrel. Well, no, 1441 01:25:08,240 --> 01:25:13,360 Speaker 1: not as majestic. But tell me about bringing so you 1442 01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:18,880 Speaker 1: in Georgia. M hmm. Everybody has a squirrel dog, you're saying, Yeah, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, 1443 01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:21,599 Speaker 1: you know, East Tennessee. There's a lot, you know, a 1444 01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:25,000 Speaker 1: lot more squirrel hunting with dogs that goes on there. 1445 01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:27,880 Speaker 1: I think squirrel hunt is probably pretty common, um, all 1446 01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:30,160 Speaker 1: up and down the east coast, you know where the 1447 01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:33,400 Speaker 1: gray squirrels are, But not with dogs, not with dogs 1448 01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:38,439 Speaker 1: so much. Bring squirrel dogs. Yeah, so you make a 1449 01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:40,640 Speaker 1: lot of friends, man when you bring squirrel dogs in 1450 01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:42,639 Speaker 1: Missouri because people want to go hunt with you. Oh yeah, 1451 01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:44,519 Speaker 1: it's great fun. But are the squirrel is not used 1452 01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:47,519 Speaker 1: to it? Like, did you find a difference, Like, Man, 1453 01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:54,200 Speaker 1: these squirrels are just not expecting this. So the squirrels 1454 01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:58,760 Speaker 1: are responding to the dogs the same here than they 1455 01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:02,200 Speaker 1: do where they've had many, many years exposure to dogs. 1456 01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:04,559 Speaker 1: I don't know that they know it's a dog or 1457 01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:07,160 Speaker 1: a fox or a kaya. They just know that it's 1458 01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:08,680 Speaker 1: something that could eat them and they want to get 1459 01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:11,720 Speaker 1: away from it. So it wasn't like the It wasn't 1460 01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:13,320 Speaker 1: like the Land of Milk and honey when you first 1461 01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:15,800 Speaker 1: showed up with your dogs. Well, it's the land and 1462 01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:18,320 Speaker 1: milk of milk and honey. And as much as there's 1463 01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:21,920 Speaker 1: a lot more fox squirrels in Missouri than than in 1464 01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:26,840 Speaker 1: Alabama or or or Georgia, eastern grays mostly yeah, some 1465 01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:29,719 Speaker 1: of those big southern fox squirrels. We call them cat squirrels, 1466 01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:33,880 Speaker 1: you know, those great big ones. You know, all varied colors. Uh. Well, 1467 01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:37,479 Speaker 1: the fox girls here mostly red, and they seem to 1468 01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:39,680 Speaker 1: be I don't know if they're not as intelligent as 1469 01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:41,599 Speaker 1: the gray squirrels. And they sit out where the dogs 1470 01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:44,200 Speaker 1: can can see them. Man, And they hang their tail 1471 01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:48,280 Speaker 1: down like a flag and it and it drives the 1472 01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:51,160 Speaker 1: dogs nuts. Yeah, yeah, they can see them, so I man, 1473 01:26:51,200 --> 01:26:53,040 Speaker 1: and never thought, have you ever thought that like a 1474 01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:58,800 Speaker 1: like a sort of like this difference between grays and 1475 01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:04,840 Speaker 1: fox squirrels was delicate on that there's a difference. There's 1476 01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:09,960 Speaker 1: a distinct difference of cagness, of cag nous. Now it 1477 01:27:10,360 --> 01:27:12,840 Speaker 1: I know that, like the micro habitats they like are 1478 01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:16,840 Speaker 1: different for sure. Then there's areas I've hunted where it's 1479 01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:19,880 Speaker 1: all one. There's areas of hunter where it's all the other. 1480 01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:23,640 Speaker 1: But where I grew up there was intermixed. And it 1481 01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:26,280 Speaker 1: might be that down in the ravine bottom or whatever. 1482 01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:28,200 Speaker 1: You get down there and it would be a lot 1483 01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:31,640 Speaker 1: of grays down in there. Then an up top, you know, 1484 01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:33,720 Speaker 1: open the beach trees up top, you see a lot 1485 01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:36,960 Speaker 1: of fox squirrels, But you wouldn't think anything of looking 1486 01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:39,360 Speaker 1: up tree and seeing one to each. And I've never 1487 01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:43,160 Speaker 1: detected like that one was. I used to think we 1488 01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:46,720 Speaker 1: like the fox girls better because they're huge, and the 1489 01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:49,599 Speaker 1: gray squirrels at times we like them better because they're 1490 01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:52,240 Speaker 1: more of a novelty. But over my life gray squirrels 1491 01:27:52,240 --> 01:27:56,240 Speaker 1: became far more prevalent. You could, I don't I have 1492 01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:59,439 Speaker 1: no idea what that's attributed to why you just watch 1493 01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:03,120 Speaker 1: that shift t happened to become in that area where 1494 01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:05,679 Speaker 1: I grew up to become like not nearly the fox squirrels, 1495 01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:08,160 Speaker 1: as we had great squirrels. And I don't think it's 1496 01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:13,560 Speaker 1: just because people were selective pressure from hunting something that 1497 01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:17,559 Speaker 1: has no I don't think it's very very negligible on 1498 01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:20,400 Speaker 1: squirrel populations if any. But up here you're hunting where 1499 01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:23,120 Speaker 1: people aren't hitting them hard though, right yeah, you know, 1500 01:28:23,240 --> 01:28:27,160 Speaker 1: I Um, I hunt and have never seen another squirrel 1501 01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:30,599 Speaker 1: hunter in there. I don't know that. I think parts 1502 01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:33,120 Speaker 1: of the state people people hunt them a little bit. 1503 01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:36,160 Speaker 1: But where I am in central Missouri, I've never seen 1504 01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:40,679 Speaker 1: another squirrel hunter, let alone a dog squirrel hunter. Now 1505 01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:44,240 Speaker 1: you have got you public on public land, both public 1506 01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:47,519 Speaker 1: and private. You know what's a good day? Um, a 1507 01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:51,559 Speaker 1: good day. I think our best day this year was 1508 01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:57,519 Speaker 1: maybe eighteen or so. How do you guys cook them? Well? 1509 01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:01,040 Speaker 1: I killed two hundred and eleven this year and so 1510 01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:05,200 Speaker 1: I've cooked them every way I can. My wife has 1511 01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:10,240 Speaker 1: had it with me and squirrel meat. Um, she's done. 1512 01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:13,320 Speaker 1: And you know, my my my children, Grace and Brodie, 1513 01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:15,160 Speaker 1: they got the twenty gauges and they following around to 1514 01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:16,960 Speaker 1: do a great job. But like I told you, guys, 1515 01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:21,400 Speaker 1: I've eaten a lot of lead shot this year, a lot. Uh. 1516 01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:23,280 Speaker 1: You're waiting for the kids to get old enough to 1517 01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:26,880 Speaker 1: be I am. I am. And when your wife bites 1518 01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:29,760 Speaker 1: down into the into the number six, it's not kind. 1519 01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:31,519 Speaker 1: When you do, you buy, then spit it out and 1520 01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:35,040 Speaker 1: go shot. You know she looks at you. You got 1521 01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:39,679 Speaker 1: to kiss the Yeah, yeah, mama gives you the evil look. 1522 01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:42,680 Speaker 1: So yeah, but unlead, it's not bad. It's like, you know, 1523 01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:46,160 Speaker 1: I know half people I know have lost teeth busts 1524 01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:48,639 Speaker 1: of teeth on steel shot. Lead. You know you don't 1525 01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:50,200 Speaker 1: want to be eating it, but it's not It's not 1526 01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:52,920 Speaker 1: as horrible for your teeth as it is eating waterfowl. Right, 1527 01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:57,439 Speaker 1: but what you guys fry it? Yeah, we fry it. Yeah, 1528 01:29:57,479 --> 01:30:01,240 Speaker 1: we cook it down and pick it. Um man, you 1529 01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:09,400 Speaker 1: name it. Make gumbo, uh, jambalaya. We make everything barbecue. Oh, 1530 01:30:09,439 --> 01:30:13,080 Speaker 1: sure of course you have barbecue. Yeah, you have two 1531 01:30:13,160 --> 01:30:16,080 Speaker 1: hundred squirrels in the freezer. You're coming up with different 1532 01:30:16,479 --> 01:30:18,679 Speaker 1: ways to cook them. And it's what are your kids 1533 01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:22,840 Speaker 1: feelings about it? As far as eating it? The Scarford 1534 01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:27,080 Speaker 1: down taking my little girl Grace. She she knocks it down. 1535 01:30:27,320 --> 01:30:29,160 Speaker 1: They love it. I think it's one of the most 1536 01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:34,120 Speaker 1: underrated meats. Dude in the woods. It's delicious and no, 1537 01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:37,400 Speaker 1: there's no one who eats it. When it's properly prepared delicious, 1538 01:30:37,479 --> 01:30:40,719 Speaker 1: people are blown away by it. Sure have you, suevi 1539 01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:45,200 Speaker 1: et any No, might be honest something maybe, So I'm 1540 01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:48,840 Speaker 1: gonna send Parker on airy membership to the Rocky Mountain 1541 01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:52,080 Speaker 1: Squirrel Foundation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you gotta start. You have 1542 01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:56,760 Speaker 1: to start the Eastern branch of the Rocky Mountain Squirrel Foundation. Yeah. 1543 01:30:56,960 --> 01:31:00,160 Speaker 1: Do you do you like the fox squirrels or when 1544 01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:01,920 Speaker 1: you go out and hunt them if you shoot a 1545 01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:04,360 Speaker 1: couple of each, like stoke that you got a few 1546 01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:09,160 Speaker 1: fox squirrels. I want the gray squirrel. No, I like 1547 01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:13,720 Speaker 1: the gray squirrels eating the dogs. The dogs like the 1548 01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:16,360 Speaker 1: fox squirrels. If you think a gray squirrel eats better 1549 01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:20,040 Speaker 1: than fox squirrel? Oh yeah, oh for sure. Yeah, you 1550 01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:25,559 Speaker 1: guys don't because you can't enough. You can't argue the size, man, 1551 01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:28,600 Speaker 1: what what are I know? But the flavor and the 1552 01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:33,760 Speaker 1: toughness issue. I think, huh, that's another question for you 1553 01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:35,960 Speaker 1: because what I've been starting to do, uh is I'll 1554 01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:38,120 Speaker 1: try to grade them, which I think from what I 1555 01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:40,160 Speaker 1: think are young squirrels. And if I have a pile, 1556 01:31:40,479 --> 01:31:42,200 Speaker 1: I mean I only have three, then whatever, they're all 1557 01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:44,720 Speaker 1: going the same bag. But if I've got ten, I'll 1558 01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:46,840 Speaker 1: be like, all right, those are like the four old 1559 01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:50,040 Speaker 1: tough bastards with you know, nuts as big as your thumb. 1560 01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:52,559 Speaker 1: Those are going into the crock pot. And then I'll 1561 01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:54,360 Speaker 1: try to be like, all right, those are looking younger, 1562 01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:56,720 Speaker 1: and I'll cook them hole on the grill and they 1563 01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:59,600 Speaker 1: can be eating that way. I'd almost trade you a 1564 01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:05,200 Speaker 1: man of head shot young gray squirrels for almost anything 1565 01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:08,320 Speaker 1: else in the woods. I mean it's those are the 1566 01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:14,800 Speaker 1: primo those other stuff to receive those sure, Oh yeah, 1567 01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:19,360 Speaker 1: what you here a turkey breast? Um? Yeah, probably a 1568 01:32:19,400 --> 01:32:23,240 Speaker 1: turkey breast. I checked a turkey breast furl for a 1569 01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:30,320 Speaker 1: limit of head shot gray. I'm just saying with the chef, 1570 01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:34,080 Speaker 1: uh are you with the chef? Jamie Oliver English kid, 1571 01:32:34,200 --> 01:32:36,720 Speaker 1: I'm not kid. I don't know how old he is. Well, 1572 01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:39,599 Speaker 1: he just got this marinade some recipe book I had 1573 01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:42,360 Speaker 1: of his. He's got this marinade where it's like lemon 1574 01:32:42,439 --> 01:32:47,320 Speaker 1: and thyme and pulped up time and lemon juice and 1575 01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:50,759 Speaker 1: olive oil and whatnot. But I started it was taking 1576 01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:56,160 Speaker 1: the squirrels and taking a fork, so so skin and 1577 01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:58,920 Speaker 1: squirrel right, piece it out, and then take a fork 1578 01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:01,479 Speaker 1: in that back leg. I would jab that fork, yeah, 1579 01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:07,639 Speaker 1: times in that back leg, just completely perforate because once 1580 01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:09,439 Speaker 1: you're eating you never know that. Like it's not like 1581 01:33:09,479 --> 01:33:12,800 Speaker 1: it's full of holes, right, it comes back together perforated 1582 01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:15,320 Speaker 1: a bunch of times. And then take the back the 1583 01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:18,800 Speaker 1: backstraps and prick them a ton of times, and then 1584 01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:22,640 Speaker 1: marinate them and just cook them on a grill. It's unbeatable, 1585 01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:25,040 Speaker 1: so nothing like slow cooking. Just cook him on a 1586 01:33:25,040 --> 01:33:27,640 Speaker 1: grill and then and then eat the meat off. That 1587 01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:29,760 Speaker 1: was I've never done a fox squirrel like that though. 1588 01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:33,920 Speaker 1: You need to and then report back. Yeah, because once 1589 01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:36,840 Speaker 1: I got onto doing that recipe, I was only in 1590 01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:41,120 Speaker 1: gray squirrel areas. Yeah, because I was doing that when 1591 01:33:41,160 --> 01:33:43,080 Speaker 1: I was hunting in New York State. In New York State, 1592 01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:49,400 Speaker 1: a lot of Eastern grays. Yeah, you have no Western grays? 1593 01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:52,720 Speaker 1: Are you a step on the tail and uh, yank 1594 01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:56,880 Speaker 1: them off? Skinning tail skin No, I don't any from 1595 01:33:56,920 --> 01:33:59,720 Speaker 1: the American South. I am. I know a lot of 1596 01:33:59,720 --> 01:34:02,920 Speaker 1: guys who do. I um do the pants and shirt 1597 01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:06,000 Speaker 1: you yetta do the passing shirt. But I think as 1598 01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:08,559 Speaker 1: I get older and my strength goes, I'm gonna have 1599 01:34:08,600 --> 01:34:11,800 Speaker 1: to tail skin. But I pass and shirt him. I can. 1600 01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:13,640 Speaker 1: I can go right there them pretty good. And you 1601 01:34:13,720 --> 01:34:16,479 Speaker 1: use a fights to a cur dog. Um, I use 1602 01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:21,320 Speaker 1: a cur dog. It's a smaller cur um. Just one dog. 1603 01:34:21,800 --> 01:34:24,400 Speaker 1: I just have one dog. Now. I have some friends 1604 01:34:24,439 --> 01:34:28,639 Speaker 1: who I've introduced into it that we hunt together. So 1605 01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:31,960 Speaker 1: they're getting dogs too. Oh yeah, there, it's it's total. 1606 01:34:32,720 --> 01:34:35,120 Speaker 1: And I was telling my friends at the Department of 1607 01:34:35,160 --> 01:34:39,880 Speaker 1: Conservation that there's the three squirrel dog man. Now I'm 1608 01:34:39,880 --> 01:34:41,760 Speaker 1: sure there's others. I just don't know him, you know, 1609 01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:46,240 Speaker 1: in Missouri. And I'm coming for him to extend the season, yeah, 1610 01:34:46,280 --> 01:34:49,280 Speaker 1: a little bit longer. So do you think you're gonna 1611 01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:53,599 Speaker 1: grow to regret introducing that piece of technology and not 1612 01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:55,600 Speaker 1: just keeping quiet about it? Of course not. And you 1613 01:34:55,640 --> 01:35:02,479 Speaker 1: know why? It's the kids. It's great grea eight kid hunt. 1614 01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:04,760 Speaker 1: I mean you don't have to be quiet. You can 1615 01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:08,519 Speaker 1: walk around, you can teach them, uh gun control, walking 1616 01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:13,200 Speaker 1: through the woods, crossing fences, um, safety, all of those things. 1617 01:35:13,240 --> 01:35:16,439 Speaker 1: It's enjoyable. They're not freezing. Their pet is there so 1618 01:35:16,479 --> 01:35:20,680 Speaker 1: they get to pet their dog. Um. I got my 1619 01:35:20,760 --> 01:35:23,400 Speaker 1: squirrel dog. I grew up doing it and and I 1620 01:35:23,439 --> 01:35:26,759 Speaker 1: got it for the children, and it is. I won't 1621 01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:29,880 Speaker 1: regret that as a house dog or outside dog. Well, 1622 01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:33,200 Speaker 1: I'm ashamed to say. And the people that know me 1623 01:35:33,400 --> 01:35:38,160 Speaker 1: are gonna are gonna it. It gets in my wife's bed. 1624 01:35:38,439 --> 01:35:42,400 Speaker 1: It follows her around. Now not my bed. We sleep 1625 01:35:42,400 --> 01:35:44,679 Speaker 1: in the same bed, but I don't claim it as 1626 01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:47,800 Speaker 1: our bed. She Uh, I get that dog out of 1627 01:35:47,800 --> 01:35:51,720 Speaker 1: my bed. I've got it. You know. When I am 1628 01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:53,800 Speaker 1: going to get a squirrel dog, I went and picked 1629 01:35:53,800 --> 01:35:57,160 Speaker 1: it up from a buddy and Alabama that grows them. 1630 01:35:57,400 --> 01:36:02,040 Speaker 1: Uh has some nice squirrel dogs. Had a pen built, 1631 01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:04,519 Speaker 1: you know, the whole thing ready, nice kennel I thought 1632 01:36:04,640 --> 01:36:07,160 Speaker 1: was good. Even put it up off the ground so 1633 01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:10,840 Speaker 1: the dog wouldn't be on the gravels. Had a hay bale. 1634 01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:12,280 Speaker 1: I was gonna pitts. And that's not been in the 1635 01:36:12,360 --> 01:36:16,439 Speaker 1: pen once. Our friend Kevin Murphy is telling me that 1636 01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:19,559 Speaker 1: he recently heard of a squirrel dog selling for twenty dollars. 1637 01:36:20,240 --> 01:36:23,559 Speaker 1: Al must be a good squirrel doll, you'd like to think. You, Yeah, 1638 01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:27,080 Speaker 1: I don't know that I've seen one that good. So 1639 01:36:27,280 --> 01:36:30,320 Speaker 1: you just got yours. When you have a squirrel dog, 1640 01:36:32,120 --> 01:36:34,000 Speaker 1: what's the minimum out you can hunt it and still 1641 01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:36,920 Speaker 1: have it know what's up. I still haven't know how 1642 01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:38,760 Speaker 1: to do it. And it depends on the dog. But 1643 01:36:39,680 --> 01:36:41,960 Speaker 1: you know, the more you hunt any dog, the better 1644 01:36:42,040 --> 01:36:44,760 Speaker 1: it is, for sure. But when you let's say you 1645 01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:47,120 Speaker 1: live in a state where you can't hunt squirrels for 1646 01:36:47,120 --> 01:36:50,280 Speaker 1: for five months out of the year, you can still 1647 01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:53,160 Speaker 1: put them up. Can't you just not shoot him? The 1648 01:36:53,200 --> 01:36:55,519 Speaker 1: dog get tired of that? No, it's in I mean, 1649 01:36:55,600 --> 01:36:57,880 Speaker 1: it's like a retriever. If that that dog went on 1650 01:36:57,880 --> 01:36:59,639 Speaker 1: the floor there, if you took a tennis ball, probably 1651 01:37:00,040 --> 01:37:02,559 Speaker 1: you throw till bring it back to you till he died. 1652 01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:04,280 Speaker 1: He doesn't know why, He just likes. He just wants 1653 01:37:04,320 --> 01:37:08,400 Speaker 1: to do it. So so you can train, you can run, 1654 01:37:08,479 --> 01:37:11,120 Speaker 1: You can run squirrels, and if you don't shoot the 1655 01:37:11,120 --> 01:37:12,639 Speaker 1: squirrell out of the tree, the dog doesn't get mad. 1656 01:37:12,680 --> 01:37:16,080 Speaker 1: He still thinks he had a good time. Oh, loving it. Yeah, Yeah, 1657 01:37:16,240 --> 01:37:18,320 Speaker 1: My dog particularly doesn't care to. Some of the dogs 1658 01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:21,000 Speaker 1: really want to get the squirrel my dog. You know, Um, 1659 01:37:21,160 --> 01:37:24,240 Speaker 1: once the squirrels dead, you could care less it the 1660 01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:27,080 Speaker 1: drive is the tree another squirrel. Yeah, I can tell 1661 01:37:27,080 --> 01:37:31,360 Speaker 1: you something graphic right now. Okay, our friend Kevin Murphy, uh, 1662 01:37:31,640 --> 01:37:36,080 Speaker 1: his squirrel dog. One of them ate the head. That's 1663 01:37:36,280 --> 01:37:39,479 Speaker 1: very common. I had a dog Jack that only wanted 1664 01:37:39,640 --> 01:37:42,080 Speaker 1: with golden head juice. They only wanted to eat the head. 1665 01:37:42,479 --> 01:37:45,160 Speaker 1: I don't know what what that is. They just want 1666 01:37:45,160 --> 01:37:49,400 Speaker 1: to crunch their head, all right. Yeah, I thought that 1667 01:37:49,439 --> 01:37:51,479 Speaker 1: dog was sick. Now I think it's just a normal dog. 1668 01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:55,719 Speaker 1: And then did it just come out of the box 1669 01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:57,479 Speaker 1: wanting to hunt squirrels or did you have to try 1670 01:37:57,520 --> 01:38:01,800 Speaker 1: to teach it something. No, they Um, you don't have 1671 01:38:01,880 --> 01:38:04,240 Speaker 1: to teach it much. Now you mess with it and 1672 01:38:04,240 --> 01:38:07,479 Speaker 1: and show a squirrels and and bring it along and 1673 01:38:07,479 --> 01:38:09,720 Speaker 1: and but yeah, it's in them, you know. It's like 1674 01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:12,519 Speaker 1: a retriever or a pointer whatever. You know, they're they're 1675 01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:15,000 Speaker 1: bred to want to be tree dogs, and so that's 1676 01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:18,600 Speaker 1: what they do. The hard thing for me is to 1677 01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:24,960 Speaker 1: differentiate between yards squirrels and woods squirrels. So, uh, you know, 1678 01:38:25,200 --> 01:38:27,559 Speaker 1: mom and the kids, like seeing the squirrels in the yard. 1679 01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:30,040 Speaker 1: I gotta wait for for him to leave to then 1680 01:38:30,120 --> 01:38:33,720 Speaker 1: those then those down you know, the dogs looking out 1681 01:38:33,960 --> 01:38:36,680 Speaker 1: you know, looking out the window, just quivering, you know, 1682 01:38:37,479 --> 01:38:41,400 Speaker 1: you know, going crazy and you know so but it's fun. 1683 01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:44,280 Speaker 1: And then do you keep a dog for hunting ducks too? 1684 01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:47,519 Speaker 1: I don't know, just the squirrel dogs. And let's go 1685 01:38:47,560 --> 01:38:50,800 Speaker 1: over and pick up dogs yourself. Yeah, if I'm if 1686 01:38:50,840 --> 01:38:53,439 Speaker 1: I'm lucky enough to hit one. You know, do you 1687 01:38:53,560 --> 01:38:57,880 Speaker 1: view you're because you grew up hunting and grew up 1688 01:38:57,880 --> 01:39:01,880 Speaker 1: around that. Do you view year work now as like 1689 01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:03,559 Speaker 1: an extension of that or is it just feel like 1690 01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:05,880 Speaker 1: completely different. It's like it's just there's work and then 1691 01:39:05,880 --> 01:39:10,599 Speaker 1: there's what you do for fun. It's completely different. But 1692 01:39:10,760 --> 01:39:14,680 Speaker 1: the reason I have this job is because of my 1693 01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:18,559 Speaker 1: love for the outdoors and hunting and fishing and and 1694 01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:24,000 Speaker 1: so what what I do now, Um, the enjoyment I 1695 01:39:24,040 --> 01:39:29,120 Speaker 1: get is seeing that my work is going to the 1696 01:39:29,200 --> 01:39:34,000 Speaker 1: benefit of of the outdoors or benefit of native washer, 1697 01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:38,120 Speaker 1: the ecosystems and those those. Yeah, so this's just just 1698 01:39:38,160 --> 01:39:43,440 Speaker 1: an extension of of liking to do that. Do good trappers? 1699 01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:47,439 Speaker 1: When do you have a trapper working for you. Do 1700 01:39:47,560 --> 01:39:50,479 Speaker 1: all the good trappers have a hunting and fishing background 1701 01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:52,639 Speaker 1: or can you just or do you find people can 1702 01:39:52,680 --> 01:39:54,800 Speaker 1: just get it and figured out even though it didn't 1703 01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:57,960 Speaker 1: grow up doing that kind of stuff? Both? Yeah, yep, yep, 1704 01:39:58,040 --> 01:40:00,920 Speaker 1: there's no um uh lot of times the guys who 1705 01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:03,840 Speaker 1: grew up and gals grew up doing it are a 1706 01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:06,880 Speaker 1: little bit more familiar with it. But you know, we've 1707 01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:10,559 Speaker 1: had some people with no background whatsoever and we introduced 1708 01:40:10,600 --> 01:40:14,000 Speaker 1: them and trained them and if turned out really top notch. 1709 01:40:15,479 --> 01:40:18,960 Speaker 1: And then you mentioned that, so you found that, Um, 1710 01:40:19,120 --> 01:40:25,360 Speaker 1: you have men and women that work on the trapping teams, right, yeah? 1711 01:40:25,600 --> 01:40:31,760 Speaker 1: And then uh, do the people that trapped do they 1712 01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:33,519 Speaker 1: want to stand with it for years? Or is it 1713 01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:38,720 Speaker 1: like summer technician kind of jobs? Both? It's uh, it's um, 1714 01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:41,680 Speaker 1: it's kind of like you love it or you've you 1715 01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:43,519 Speaker 1: after you get a belly full, you kind of want 1716 01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:46,639 Speaker 1: to do something else. There's people who have have done 1717 01:40:46,640 --> 01:40:49,000 Speaker 1: it their entire career and that's all they want to 1718 01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:52,599 Speaker 1: talk about, and it's it's it totally consumes them. There's 1719 01:40:52,640 --> 01:40:55,320 Speaker 1: people who do a good job and say, Okay, you 1720 01:40:55,360 --> 01:40:59,479 Speaker 1: know I've I've caught enough hogs or or whatever. Okay 1721 01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:01,320 Speaker 1: it's or whatever where it is, and they move on 1722 01:41:01,479 --> 01:41:03,439 Speaker 1: or they move up into you know, in a more 1723 01:41:03,439 --> 01:41:06,679 Speaker 1: of a biologist role, you know, and they work on 1724 01:41:06,680 --> 01:41:09,640 Speaker 1: on different things, and you know, it's just natural progression. 1725 01:41:09,920 --> 01:41:11,800 Speaker 1: Is it hard to fill the positions? The reason I'm 1726 01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:13,559 Speaker 1: asking all these questions that I could picture a lot 1727 01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:16,320 Speaker 1: of people that listen to this would be like, man, 1728 01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:19,360 Speaker 1: that's the job for me. Yeah, it's it's not hard 1729 01:41:19,400 --> 01:41:22,559 Speaker 1: to fill the position at all, um, but it's very 1730 01:41:22,600 --> 01:41:25,439 Speaker 1: hard people want that work. It's very hard to get 1731 01:41:25,439 --> 01:41:29,080 Speaker 1: people to stay. Everything turns into a job, right, um. 1732 01:41:29,160 --> 01:41:33,120 Speaker 1: And so so they think they're gonna be all just yeah, 1733 01:41:33,640 --> 01:41:35,640 Speaker 1: a good times. And if you hunt it, if you 1734 01:41:35,720 --> 01:41:38,360 Speaker 1: hunt it, if you hunted and then we don't hunt them, 1735 01:41:38,439 --> 01:41:41,599 Speaker 1: we we do control work. If you hunted pigs every day, 1736 01:41:41,680 --> 01:41:43,880 Speaker 1: you got up and you went to work at eight 1737 01:41:43,880 --> 01:41:46,160 Speaker 1: o'clock and came home at five o'clock, and you hunt 1738 01:41:46,240 --> 01:41:48,439 Speaker 1: pigs all day long, you're gonna get real tired of 1739 01:41:48,479 --> 01:41:52,840 Speaker 1: that real quick. Yeah, not nearly as fun. Yeah you 1740 01:41:52,880 --> 01:42:02,960 Speaker 1: got any more questions? Yeah? I did have one. Just now, Um, shucks, 1741 01:42:03,120 --> 01:42:08,480 Speaker 1: can't come back to me because I'll tell you one. Uh. 1742 01:42:08,760 --> 01:42:11,360 Speaker 1: I started trapping muskrats and my brothers. We were young. 1743 01:42:11,720 --> 01:42:14,080 Speaker 1: I was ten when I called my first muskrat, and 1744 01:42:14,080 --> 01:42:16,760 Speaker 1: I that I got an all manner. You know. I 1745 01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:20,840 Speaker 1: trapped everything for trapping and stuck with it till I 1746 01:42:20,880 --> 01:42:24,360 Speaker 1: was twenty two. I set my last you know, when 1747 01:42:24,400 --> 01:42:26,000 Speaker 1: I set my last trap with the intent and making 1748 01:42:26,040 --> 01:42:28,760 Speaker 1: money on it now and then I'll go catch something 1749 01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:31,840 Speaker 1: for making you know, for half mere my wife or whatever. 1750 01:42:32,360 --> 01:42:36,080 Speaker 1: But when I found out about that there was such 1751 01:42:36,080 --> 01:42:41,280 Speaker 1: a thing as like animal damage control work, for a while, 1752 01:42:41,320 --> 01:42:43,040 Speaker 1: I thought that that was the job I was going for. 1753 01:42:43,560 --> 01:42:45,439 Speaker 1: Like I would have been would have been some other 1754 01:42:45,640 --> 01:42:47,080 Speaker 1: version of events. I would have been one of the 1755 01:42:47,120 --> 01:42:51,000 Speaker 1: people sending it an application to check pigs trap pigs. 1756 01:42:51,320 --> 01:42:55,840 Speaker 1: It would have been like immensely appealing to me with 1757 01:42:55,880 --> 01:42:57,880 Speaker 1: the with the I was a private guy working in 1758 01:42:57,920 --> 01:43:01,559 Speaker 1: Colorado and we started just chatting. I was working in retail. 1759 01:43:02,040 --> 01:43:04,040 Speaker 1: He's like, you know, we want to you know, have 1760 01:43:04,120 --> 01:43:06,599 Speaker 1: pizza or something that there's a pizza point right next door. 1761 01:43:06,640 --> 01:43:08,320 Speaker 1: So I then it for lunch a few days later, 1762 01:43:08,800 --> 01:43:11,040 Speaker 1: and I was jacked up. I was like, yeah, dude, 1763 01:43:11,080 --> 01:43:13,040 Speaker 1: this sounds great, you know, I'll learned all about this. 1764 01:43:13,120 --> 01:43:14,960 Speaker 1: And he's like, yeah, it's you know, most of it's 1765 01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:17,760 Speaker 1: during like September, October, November, and I was like, hold on, 1766 01:43:18,400 --> 01:43:21,120 Speaker 1: that's on the season. I can't be doing that. You know. 1767 01:43:21,640 --> 01:43:26,280 Speaker 1: After it was probably mostly a lot of beaver work, 1768 01:43:26,760 --> 01:43:29,679 Speaker 1: you know, beaver's messing up, you know, chopping down people's 1769 01:43:29,720 --> 01:43:33,280 Speaker 1: pretty aspens in their backyards along all the creeks in Colorado. 1770 01:43:33,280 --> 01:43:35,840 Speaker 1: A lot of that, probably some coons. What kind of 1771 01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:40,679 Speaker 1: retail are you doing? Selling retail? Closed outdoor cloten shop? 1772 01:43:42,160 --> 01:43:44,720 Speaker 1: But I remember my question. Kyletes are kind of a 1773 01:43:44,760 --> 01:43:48,360 Speaker 1: new animal here in Missouri, right, No, they've been around 1774 01:43:48,400 --> 01:43:51,759 Speaker 1: for quite a while, like more than a couple of decades. 1775 01:43:51,840 --> 01:43:54,800 Speaker 1: The new the nude tons of other places. I didn't 1776 01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:56,920 Speaker 1: know that. So they've been they've had a foothold here 1777 01:43:56,960 --> 01:43:59,719 Speaker 1: for a long time. Yeah, yeah, they've been here for 1778 01:44:00,280 --> 01:44:02,479 Speaker 1: quite a while. So people there were kids here in 1779 01:44:02,520 --> 01:44:07,280 Speaker 1: the uh sixties, seventies, they were they had coyotes. Yeah, 1780 01:44:07,720 --> 01:44:12,320 Speaker 1: they've been here a long time. Kind of figures as 1781 01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:15,680 Speaker 1: part of the what the Eastern migration. But I can 1782 01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:18,960 Speaker 1: still follow that up with do you have many conflicts 1783 01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:22,240 Speaker 1: with coyotes that you guys deal with. We do have, 1784 01:44:22,720 --> 01:44:27,160 Speaker 1: um some some conflicts, not as not as many as 1785 01:44:27,240 --> 01:44:31,479 Speaker 1: some of the um Western states, the sheep growers and 1786 01:44:31,479 --> 01:44:35,479 Speaker 1: and some of the cattle places. A lot of ours 1787 01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:40,640 Speaker 1: or urban conflicts. UM couple get cats getting namt. Yeah, 1788 01:44:40,880 --> 01:44:44,680 Speaker 1: you know, um seeing them running around and and you know, 1789 01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:47,920 Speaker 1: coyotes can live anywhere, and they do pretty pretty good 1790 01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:51,800 Speaker 1: every anywhere they are, so um So yeah, most of 1791 01:44:51,800 --> 01:44:55,040 Speaker 1: ours would probably urban. You know, they like to for 1792 01:44:55,160 --> 01:44:58,400 Speaker 1: wildlife services anyway. They like that the airport environment. So 1793 01:44:58,840 --> 01:45:02,160 Speaker 1: we take some off of airports and those type of things. 1794 01:45:02,160 --> 01:45:05,799 Speaker 1: But not as big of an issue in Missouri, UM 1795 01:45:05,840 --> 01:45:08,400 Speaker 1: as it is in other states. The Missouri Department Conservation 1796 01:45:08,439 --> 01:45:14,519 Speaker 1: does some kay at work. Um, it's not really our arena. Yeah, Brandon, 1797 01:45:14,520 --> 01:45:15,760 Speaker 1: you must have been hanging out. But do you have 1798 01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:18,759 Speaker 1: any concluders? Any final things you wanted to ask about? 1799 01:45:20,680 --> 01:45:23,720 Speaker 1: Nothing to ask about. I think just as a concluder, 1800 01:45:23,800 --> 01:45:28,000 Speaker 1: I wanted to just kind of emphasize how complicated conservation is, 1801 01:45:28,040 --> 01:45:30,840 Speaker 1: and people always attribute hunting to conservation, but I think 1802 01:45:30,840 --> 01:45:33,680 Speaker 1: in the case of the feral hog, that's the opposite. 1803 01:45:33,880 --> 01:45:38,200 Speaker 1: And encourage people, especially here in Missouri too, to not 1804 01:45:38,360 --> 01:45:41,799 Speaker 1: embrace that culture, because it puts in jeopardy the cultures 1805 01:45:41,800 --> 01:45:44,320 Speaker 1: that we truly should embrace, like deer hunting and turkey 1806 01:45:44,400 --> 01:45:47,559 Speaker 1: hunting and squirrel hunting, our native species that belong here 1807 01:45:47,560 --> 01:45:50,600 Speaker 1: on the landscape, and these hogs don't. And if you 1808 01:45:50,680 --> 01:45:54,760 Speaker 1: participate in that um, you're abiding by something that is, 1809 01:45:55,320 --> 01:45:58,519 Speaker 1: you know, having a negative reaction on those heritages that 1810 01:45:58,560 --> 01:46:03,000 Speaker 1: we hold so dear, you're throwing away or jeopardizing like 1811 01:46:03,080 --> 01:46:11,120 Speaker 1: some deep traditions. Yeah, and a functioning landscape. Yeah, it's 1812 01:46:11,280 --> 01:46:13,920 Speaker 1: it's hard to manage these forests, you know, we don't 1813 01:46:14,360 --> 01:46:16,840 Speaker 1: we don't just let the forest go anymore. There's a 1814 01:46:16,840 --> 01:46:19,840 Speaker 1: lot of work that goes into keeping these habitats healthy. 1815 01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:22,479 Speaker 1: And when these hogs come in and you know, root 1816 01:46:22,560 --> 01:46:27,880 Speaker 1: up spring creeks and and destroy uh species like the 1817 01:46:28,000 --> 01:46:32,040 Speaker 1: dragonfly you were talking about, Parker, and ruined habitat for 1818 01:46:32,160 --> 01:46:36,200 Speaker 1: other game species that we you know, have such immense 1819 01:46:36,360 --> 01:46:39,400 Speaker 1: value on not only recreationally in this area, but economically, 1820 01:46:40,760 --> 01:46:43,200 Speaker 1: it's a bad thing all the way around. I wish 1821 01:46:43,200 --> 01:46:44,640 Speaker 1: it was possibly to get a better sense of what 1822 01:46:44,720 --> 01:46:47,120 Speaker 1: kind of dent they put into turkeys, you know, as 1823 01:46:47,120 --> 01:46:50,680 Speaker 1: a ground nesting bird. You know, we hear, we hear. 1824 01:46:50,720 --> 01:46:53,320 Speaker 1: People are hard to look at that making the claim 1825 01:46:53,520 --> 01:46:56,760 Speaker 1: that you know that they eat a lot of the eggs. Um. 1826 01:46:56,800 --> 01:46:58,720 Speaker 1: But I don't know if there's parkers have been a 1827 01:46:58,720 --> 01:47:00,720 Speaker 1: study done on that the year where I'm sure, yeah, 1828 01:47:00,760 --> 01:47:04,439 Speaker 1: there's probably uh several studies. But it's let's face it, 1829 01:47:04,439 --> 01:47:07,880 Speaker 1: it's it's a hog. It's an invasive species that doesn't 1830 01:47:07,880 --> 01:47:11,599 Speaker 1: belong here. So if it eats one turkey nest, it's 1831 01:47:11,640 --> 01:47:16,080 Speaker 1: it's too many. Yeah. Sure they're a negative impact on 1832 01:47:16,080 --> 01:47:18,360 Speaker 1: on all of our ground nesting birds. I mean they 1833 01:47:18,439 --> 01:47:21,599 Speaker 1: root on the ground and you know they take those 1834 01:47:21,680 --> 01:47:24,600 Speaker 1: They totally not only you know, you think about it, 1835 01:47:24,640 --> 01:47:29,160 Speaker 1: not only turkeys or or quail for instance, or or 1836 01:47:29,720 --> 01:47:32,760 Speaker 1: some of those other small you know birds that that 1837 01:47:32,840 --> 01:47:36,880 Speaker 1: nest low in the lands, you know, in the forest understore, understore, 1838 01:47:36,960 --> 01:47:40,200 Speaker 1: you know, hogs are having an impact on those as well. So, 1839 01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:43,360 Speaker 1: like I said, it's an exotic invasive so ones too 1840 01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:46,200 Speaker 1: many doesn't belong here. It's not it's not from here, 1841 01:47:46,280 --> 01:47:49,880 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. What's funny is that the people that 1842 01:47:51,600 --> 01:47:56,320 Speaker 1: are trying to bring pigs in and promote pigs as 1843 01:47:56,320 --> 01:48:00,920 Speaker 1: a hunting thing. Usually sell it as how they're helping 1844 01:48:00,920 --> 01:48:05,559 Speaker 1: with the pig problem, right, and you see all the time. Man, 1845 01:48:05,640 --> 01:48:08,120 Speaker 1: you can go online and they'll be like, you know, 1846 01:48:08,320 --> 01:48:12,880 Speaker 1: places advertising Texas is overrun with hogs down, Come down. 1847 01:48:12,960 --> 01:48:15,799 Speaker 1: Then he realized it's a fenced operation and they're actually 1848 01:48:15,800 --> 01:48:22,840 Speaker 1: buying pigs. But but people like that narrative. I think 1849 01:48:22,840 --> 01:48:25,040 Speaker 1: it's well, I think I got a bunch of theories 1850 01:48:25,080 --> 01:48:27,280 Speaker 1: on it. The thing I found is that this is 1851 01:48:27,320 --> 01:48:31,719 Speaker 1: my precluding thought. The thing I found with people people 1852 01:48:31,760 --> 01:48:36,599 Speaker 1: who become curious about hunting, not people who grew up 1853 01:48:36,600 --> 01:48:39,639 Speaker 1: in hunting culture and hunting community, with people who didn't 1854 01:48:39,640 --> 01:48:41,960 Speaker 1: grow up around it, and they become curious about hunting 1855 01:48:42,720 --> 01:48:44,960 Speaker 1: and they want to find a way to know it's okay, 1856 01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:47,840 Speaker 1: Like they desperately want to go, but they need to 1857 01:48:47,880 --> 01:48:55,040 Speaker 1: be told it's okay. Those people are drawn to pig 1858 01:48:55,120 --> 01:49:00,200 Speaker 1: hunting because they feel like, oh, you mean I can 1859 01:49:00,280 --> 01:49:04,760 Speaker 1: do this, and no absolutely certain that I'm doing the 1860 01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:08,120 Speaker 1: right thing, because they're not. They're not already educated on 1861 01:49:08,160 --> 01:49:13,400 Speaker 1: the fact that by participating in licensed hunting you're contributing 1862 01:49:13,439 --> 01:49:21,479 Speaker 1: immense amounts of resource into wildlife habitat management enforcement. You know, 1863 01:49:21,600 --> 01:49:24,160 Speaker 1: disease control. They don't. They don't get that right. They 1864 01:49:24,160 --> 01:49:26,120 Speaker 1: need to know that like that they're gonna go like 1865 01:49:26,280 --> 01:49:30,479 Speaker 1: by taking a life, they're helping everyone out. And so 1866 01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:33,800 Speaker 1: again and again when I've spoken with people who are like, man, 1867 01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:35,760 Speaker 1: come on, go hunt and think about doing a hog 1868 01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:38,000 Speaker 1: hunt because I understand how they're like a non native. 1869 01:49:38,439 --> 01:49:41,360 Speaker 1: You just hear all the time. Man, it's really gotten 1870 01:49:41,400 --> 01:49:48,800 Speaker 1: out there in my lifetime as this like as a thing. Yeah. Yeah. 1871 01:49:49,120 --> 01:49:51,360 Speaker 1: And the first time I ever stepped foot, the first 1872 01:49:51,360 --> 01:49:55,080 Speaker 1: time I've ever hunted into place that had the possibility 1873 01:49:55,560 --> 01:49:58,040 Speaker 1: of having a pig. We're hunting deer. But I sat 1874 01:49:58,120 --> 01:49:59,880 Speaker 1: up on my tree, staying the whole time, praying a 1875 01:50:00,040 --> 01:50:04,120 Speaker 1: pig came by. Sure, Sure, I was way more interested 1876 01:50:04,160 --> 01:50:06,080 Speaker 1: in that than I wasn't a deer. I was like, 1877 01:50:06,200 --> 01:50:08,880 Speaker 1: my god, a pig running around in the woods, How 1878 01:50:08,960 --> 01:50:13,559 Speaker 1: wonderful that would be. Having no idea about the bigger picture, 1879 01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:17,000 Speaker 1: right issue? Right, And you know, you know we're helping, 1880 01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:19,800 Speaker 1: we're helping, we're helping. But you know it's I go 1881 01:50:19,880 --> 01:50:23,800 Speaker 1: back to the tv UM deal, and you know, they 1882 01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:28,559 Speaker 1: passed up three styles and in fourteen little little shows 1883 01:50:28,600 --> 01:50:35,120 Speaker 1: to shoot one mature bore, which does absolutely nothing as 1884 01:50:35,200 --> 01:50:38,960 Speaker 1: far as population control goes. You know, it's it's just 1885 01:50:40,200 --> 01:50:43,000 Speaker 1: it's it's uh, it's in some instance it's just uh, 1886 01:50:43,320 --> 01:50:46,400 Speaker 1: it's uh, it's far as you know. In some instances, 1887 01:50:46,439 --> 01:50:49,439 Speaker 1: I think. I have a friend whose family runs cattle 1888 01:50:50,080 --> 01:50:59,000 Speaker 1: in northern California, and uh, one day I was asking 1889 01:50:59,160 --> 01:51:02,360 Speaker 1: her father, who lets me hunt wild pigs out there, 1890 01:51:03,200 --> 01:51:05,720 Speaker 1: and he complains about them. But one day I was 1891 01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:08,680 Speaker 1: asking her father. I said, if you could wave a 1892 01:51:08,760 --> 01:51:13,559 Speaker 1: magic wand and have them all be gone, would you 1893 01:51:13,560 --> 01:51:17,640 Speaker 1: wave it? He thought about it for a minute, and 1894 01:51:17,640 --> 01:51:24,640 Speaker 1: he's like, no, not all of them. He wants He 1895 01:51:24,720 --> 01:51:28,519 Speaker 1: wants it his way. He wants just not quite so many, 1896 01:51:28,640 --> 01:51:32,800 Speaker 1: but not all of them. Right. So, as much as 1897 01:51:32,800 --> 01:51:36,519 Speaker 1: he curses them and shows you where they're all hanging 1898 01:51:36,560 --> 01:51:38,680 Speaker 1: out and shows you what they did bad here and 1899 01:51:38,720 --> 01:51:40,920 Speaker 1: what they did bad there, there's some part of them 1900 01:51:40,920 --> 01:51:44,200 Speaker 1: that just you know, well, I think for a lot 1901 01:51:44,200 --> 01:51:47,400 Speaker 1: of people, he just comes down to a natural empathy 1902 01:51:47,439 --> 01:51:50,400 Speaker 1: to animals, right, Like you just can't look at it 1903 01:51:50,400 --> 01:51:52,479 Speaker 1: and be like, oh, yeah, even though I know all 1904 01:51:52,560 --> 01:51:55,560 Speaker 1: this about how bad they are, wipe them out. It 1905 01:51:55,600 --> 01:51:58,599 Speaker 1: would be great if they weren't on this continent anymore. Yeah, 1906 01:51:58,600 --> 01:52:02,640 Speaker 1: there's maybe something, Maybe there's some little nugget of goodness 1907 01:52:03,000 --> 01:52:05,519 Speaker 1: residual like like some kind of nugget of goodness, and 1908 01:52:05,600 --> 01:52:10,519 Speaker 1: people that just a thing we've learned is that wiping 1909 01:52:10,600 --> 01:52:14,200 Speaker 1: things out isn't generally like and it's true, generally speaking, 1910 01:52:14,240 --> 01:52:16,679 Speaker 1: not a good idea, you know, And I think people 1911 01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:18,879 Speaker 1: carry that in and they don't and they're not interesting 1912 01:52:18,920 --> 01:52:21,040 Speaker 1: the nuance of it. But it was funny to watch 1913 01:52:21,040 --> 01:52:24,479 Speaker 1: and wrestle with it for a minute. You know. He's like, 1914 01:52:24,520 --> 01:52:30,559 Speaker 1: you can't be greedy. Ye, But in Missouri, the goal 1915 01:52:30,680 --> 01:52:36,000 Speaker 1: is clear, it is, it is gone. And then what's 1916 01:52:36,040 --> 01:52:39,840 Speaker 1: the what's the most likely source. Let's say no one 1917 01:52:39,880 --> 01:52:44,040 Speaker 1: brought one in. That's my last question. No one's trucking 1918 01:52:44,080 --> 01:52:47,160 Speaker 1: them in. No one's trucking in. They're still walking from 1919 01:52:47,200 --> 01:52:54,280 Speaker 1: somewhere from where. Um, we have them in Oklahoma, so 1920 01:52:54,320 --> 01:52:56,439 Speaker 1: they can we have them in Arkansas. They can walk 1921 01:52:56,479 --> 01:53:04,880 Speaker 1: in from Arkansas in Tennessee. Um, Illinois done a good job, 1922 01:53:05,600 --> 01:53:10,680 Speaker 1: so our southern Southern brethren. Before I was born, my 1923 01:53:10,680 --> 01:53:14,920 Speaker 1: old man was hunting wild pigs in Arkansas. Mine too, 1924 01:53:16,400 --> 01:53:18,960 Speaker 1: So it's never gonna be that this is not a problem. 1925 01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:21,719 Speaker 1: It's just gonna be something that could requires constant monitoring. 1926 01:53:22,040 --> 01:53:25,960 Speaker 1: And you know, and and some states there they're a 1927 01:53:26,040 --> 01:53:28,760 Speaker 1: game animal and they even embrace that. So you know, 1928 01:53:29,280 --> 01:53:34,400 Speaker 1: it varies all over, that's right, That's right. So I 1929 01:53:34,439 --> 01:53:36,320 Speaker 1: don't even say there's a limited Hony tags, but you 1930 01:53:36,320 --> 01:53:39,800 Speaker 1: gotta buy a tag. Limited. Chances are they're not ever 1931 01:53:39,840 --> 01:53:42,720 Speaker 1: going to be all the way going from California. But 1932 01:53:44,040 --> 01:53:48,080 Speaker 1: you know, may I'll tell you what. People there love 1933 01:53:48,160 --> 01:53:52,439 Speaker 1: them hunters, and it's kind of like a it's been 1934 01:53:52,479 --> 01:53:54,800 Speaker 1: going on a long time cooping hunting pigs there a 1935 01:53:54,800 --> 01:53:58,160 Speaker 1: long time. There's people that that's kind of their main 1936 01:53:58,200 --> 01:54:01,040 Speaker 1: thing they hunt. And so one of the funnest pig hunting, 1937 01:54:01,120 --> 01:54:02,640 Speaker 1: I hate say this to you, but some of the 1938 01:54:02,640 --> 01:54:04,920 Speaker 1: funnest pig hunt I've done, it's been in California because 1939 01:54:04,920 --> 01:54:08,240 Speaker 1: you can spot in stalk wild pigs. Yeah, you glass 1940 01:54:08,280 --> 01:54:11,840 Speaker 1: them off. It's it's fun. Yeah, it's it's there's no 1941 01:54:12,040 --> 01:54:15,439 Speaker 1: arguing that, you know. All right, Well, thank you very 1942 01:54:15,479 --> 01:54:18,560 Speaker 1: much for joining us. Good look, Steve, Steve Jones is 1943 01:54:18,640 --> 01:54:23,559 Speaker 1: all here the whole time, concluder because he hadn't said anything, 1944 01:54:23,680 --> 01:54:26,320 Speaker 1: I know, because he never need were introduced him, but 1945 01:54:26,400 --> 01:54:30,360 Speaker 1: I think he's a game chef. Steve Jones has been 1946 01:54:32,080 --> 01:54:37,000 Speaker 1: joining us listening in. Well, I had not by plugging you. 1947 01:54:37,320 --> 01:54:40,120 Speaker 1: You you post materials about wild Game. Yeah, I got 1948 01:54:41,760 --> 01:54:44,680 Speaker 1: killer nams dot com. It's just kind of a small, little, 1949 01:54:44,800 --> 01:54:49,720 Speaker 1: uh hobby website. Nothing, nothing monetized or professional. But I 1950 01:54:49,760 --> 01:54:52,280 Speaker 1: just started kind of recording the things that I was 1951 01:54:52,360 --> 01:54:55,240 Speaker 1: learning about cooking wild game and I just enjoy I 1952 01:54:55,360 --> 01:54:57,320 Speaker 1: checked it out. It's good. I'll vouch for it. There's 1953 01:54:57,360 --> 01:55:01,960 Speaker 1: some good information on their killer Killer stock. Uh, thank 1954 01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:04,880 Speaker 1: you very much. Food. Well, you've got an opportunity to 1955 01:55:04,920 --> 01:55:09,400 Speaker 1: come and sing karaoke for Pavaratti here, so I couldn't 1956 01:55:09,400 --> 01:55:12,560 Speaker 1: pass that up. So okay, you gotta did you have 1957 01:55:12,640 --> 01:55:15,240 Speaker 1: Did you have a thought or question for our guests? Yeah, 1958 01:55:15,280 --> 01:55:17,680 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know as much about the hog 1959 01:55:17,760 --> 01:55:20,400 Speaker 1: problem is as Parker and Brandon, but I have been 1960 01:55:20,400 --> 01:55:22,000 Speaker 1: reading about it, and I write about it. I'm an 1961 01:55:22,040 --> 01:55:26,080 Speaker 1: outdoor writer also, uh, And I would say even though 1962 01:55:26,120 --> 01:55:29,200 Speaker 1: I've enjoyed a few hog hunts, I've had some of 1963 01:55:29,240 --> 01:55:31,200 Speaker 1: my actually best hunts I've had my life have been 1964 01:55:31,240 --> 01:55:34,080 Speaker 1: hog hunts. But there is no doubt in my mind 1965 01:55:34,120 --> 01:55:38,440 Speaker 1: that this is absolutely the only, uh correct way to 1966 01:55:38,480 --> 01:55:41,200 Speaker 1: deal with a serious conservation problem. If you approach it 1967 01:55:41,240 --> 01:55:44,520 Speaker 1: from a concert conservation or land ethic perspective, there is 1968 01:55:44,720 --> 01:55:49,120 Speaker 1: no other choice but eradication. And you're able to look 1969 01:55:49,160 --> 01:55:51,840 Speaker 1: at it and and hold both ideas in your head 1970 01:55:51,840 --> 01:55:56,200 Speaker 1: at once. Absolutely, it's nice to hunt them, just just 1971 01:55:56,280 --> 01:55:59,240 Speaker 1: nice to eat them. But they gotta go. Absolutely, they 1972 01:55:59,320 --> 01:56:02,000 Speaker 1: got to go go hunt them where they're natural. You 1973 01:56:02,040 --> 01:56:04,840 Speaker 1: know where they're where. They're not an introduced exotic. But 1974 01:56:05,080 --> 01:56:07,240 Speaker 1: if I could change one thing, because I talked to 1975 01:56:07,280 --> 01:56:12,080 Speaker 1: a lot of hunters, the the the everything that the U. 1976 01:56:12,120 --> 01:56:14,040 Speaker 1: S d. A aphis is doing is great. Everything that 1977 01:56:14,080 --> 01:56:17,200 Speaker 1: the Missouri Department of Conservation is doing is great, except 1978 01:56:17,640 --> 01:56:20,920 Speaker 1: they haven't sold or explained the idea about why they 1979 01:56:20,960 --> 01:56:25,280 Speaker 1: have banned hog hunting on their own MDC lands Missouri 1980 01:56:25,320 --> 01:56:29,000 Speaker 1: Department of Conservation, and that people that that aren't fully 1981 01:56:29,000 --> 01:56:33,160 Speaker 1: coached up on all the details, it is counterintuitive. They 1982 01:56:33,200 --> 01:56:35,640 Speaker 1: do not get it. Brandon and I talked to a 1983 01:56:35,720 --> 01:56:38,440 Speaker 1: pilot a couple of weeks ago who was coming in 1984 01:56:38,520 --> 01:56:40,040 Speaker 1: for a landing there with a couple of Farrell hogs 1985 01:56:40,040 --> 01:56:43,040 Speaker 1: on the runway and he was railing at us about 1986 01:56:43,040 --> 01:56:45,320 Speaker 1: why would the Department of Conservations say you can't shoot 1987 01:56:45,360 --> 01:56:47,880 Speaker 1: the pigs. You know, that's just counterintuitive, he was, It's 1988 01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:49,880 Speaker 1: the right thing. I just wish they were doing a 1989 01:56:49,920 --> 01:56:52,720 Speaker 1: better job of explaining and selling it to the public, 1990 01:56:53,520 --> 01:56:57,080 Speaker 1: because well, you know, they've had several of these podcasts 1991 01:56:57,080 --> 01:57:01,000 Speaker 1: and webcasts and and call in I put things and 1992 01:57:01,000 --> 01:57:06,040 Speaker 1: and I think getting the word out. I disagree with 1993 01:57:06,080 --> 01:57:08,640 Speaker 1: you and as much as they they're trying, but to 1994 01:57:08,680 --> 01:57:12,800 Speaker 1: get everybody educated, people have to educate themselves to some extent, 1995 01:57:13,320 --> 01:57:17,040 Speaker 1: you know. And and you're right, it is counterintuitive, and 1996 01:57:17,080 --> 01:57:22,120 Speaker 1: it's difficult, um thing to sell. But you know, I 1997 01:57:23,000 --> 01:57:26,120 Speaker 1: think we're the programs in its infancy if you think 1998 01:57:26,120 --> 01:57:29,960 Speaker 1: about it. You know, we've been trying to to eliminate 1999 01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:35,640 Speaker 1: for US swine for really three years, you know, hardcore. 2000 01:57:36,000 --> 01:57:39,640 Speaker 1: And I think as time goes on, it'll I think 2001 01:57:39,680 --> 01:57:42,080 Speaker 1: the word will get out. Everything takes time, and that 2002 01:57:42,200 --> 01:57:45,120 Speaker 1: messaging and you guys know this probably more more than 2003 01:57:45,160 --> 01:57:47,200 Speaker 1: I do that the messaging you just hammered over and 2004 01:57:47,240 --> 01:57:49,480 Speaker 1: over and finally it takes hold. You know, it's like 2005 01:57:49,840 --> 01:57:52,000 Speaker 1: putting your seatbelt on the kind of thing put your 2006 01:57:52,000 --> 01:57:53,880 Speaker 1: seatbelt onto. Your kids, put your seat belt and put 2007 01:57:53,880 --> 01:57:57,200 Speaker 1: your seatbelt. Finally they're putting their seatbelt on, and and 2008 01:57:57,520 --> 01:57:59,160 Speaker 1: you didn't tell them. They're telling you they put your 2009 01:57:59,160 --> 01:58:01,120 Speaker 1: seat belt on. Hey, hogs are bad. Hogs are bad. 2010 01:58:01,120 --> 01:58:03,080 Speaker 1: Hogs are bad. Yeah, I think it probably would eventually 2011 01:58:03,160 --> 01:58:05,960 Speaker 1: lead to a certain amount of kind of like public shaming. 2012 01:58:06,080 --> 01:58:09,200 Speaker 1: Like the more it gets out, the more guys that 2013 01:58:09,240 --> 01:58:11,880 Speaker 1: are engaged in their bodies might be like, you know, many, 2014 01:58:12,480 --> 01:58:16,320 Speaker 1: we've probably cut it out. That's that's that's working both ways. Though. 2015 01:58:16,360 --> 01:58:19,800 Speaker 1: There was just a propaganda meeting down here led by 2016 01:58:20,080 --> 01:58:23,760 Speaker 1: a local state representative bringing together people, you know, talking 2017 01:58:23,760 --> 01:58:27,240 Speaker 1: about the arrogance of the Department of Conservation and the 2018 01:58:27,280 --> 01:58:29,680 Speaker 1: fact that they would ban hunting. Look at our Department 2019 01:58:29,680 --> 01:58:32,720 Speaker 1: of Conservation is now siding with anti hunters. I mean, 2020 01:58:32,760 --> 01:58:38,000 Speaker 1: the propaganda machine is another huge roadblock to making this happen. 2021 01:58:38,040 --> 01:58:41,240 Speaker 1: And now, of course everybody with social media can spread 2022 01:58:41,400 --> 01:58:45,680 Speaker 1: just complete half truths and mistruths, and you know, it's 2023 01:58:45,800 --> 01:58:48,680 Speaker 1: it's fighting two battles. It's fighting the ecological battle and 2024 01:58:48,760 --> 01:58:51,320 Speaker 1: it's fighting the social battle and trying to get people 2025 01:58:51,320 --> 01:58:53,440 Speaker 1: to buy into what needs to be done to protect 2026 01:58:53,480 --> 01:58:59,680 Speaker 1: the resources. Good job, Steve. Thank you stirred up a 2027 01:58:59,680 --> 01:59:06,160 Speaker 1: whole them. You're like a like a big wall stirred 2028 01:59:06,160 --> 01:59:10,440 Speaker 1: off silt mud. All right, man, thank you very much 2029 01:59:10,440 --> 01:59:14,920 Speaker 1: for coming on. I know it's probably uh taking away 2030 01:59:14,920 --> 01:59:18,800 Speaker 1: from your main thing you'd like to be doing. Not 2031 01:59:18,880 --> 01:59:21,919 Speaker 1: too much. Not right now. We can't turkey hunt afterwards. 2032 01:59:22,760 --> 01:59:25,160 Speaker 1: We gotta get that change. Yeah, after one o'clock and 2033 01:59:25,240 --> 01:59:29,640 Speaker 1: squirrel season should go on after February fift for how 2034 01:59:29,680 --> 01:59:34,520 Speaker 1: long until the day before turkey season. Well that would 2035 01:59:34,560 --> 01:59:38,600 Speaker 1: mean it's only closed for a month, right, correct, Let's 2036 01:59:38,640 --> 01:59:43,400 Speaker 1: just go all your squirrels. Yeah, alright, so joining me. Thanks,