WEBVTT - Gwyneth Paltrow 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.720 Welcome to River Cafe Table four, a production of iHeartRadio 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:05.440 and Adamized Studios. 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:11.799 Gwyneth Paltrow worked for a day in the River Cafe kitchen. 0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:16.320 She arrived early, dressed in professional chef whites, ready to cook. 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:20.600 Gwyneth is the only chef ever to have ast clean 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:24.560 and cook fresh anchovies, and for three hours she did. 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:28.440 I learned a lot that day. I mean, you know, 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:32.400 just when you're a home cook, you don't think about 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:37.400 precision and like repetitively turning out something that's perfect and 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:40.400 exactly the same over a course of many hours. 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:44.120 Didn't Jamie Oliver come in when you were there? You know, 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:47.479 what is Gwyneth? Quite a few people say, what is 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:51.240 Gwyneth Paltrow doing in your kitchen? We said, she's frying anchovies, 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:55.800 you know, So that's as it was. This memory speaks 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:59.280 to how professional Gwyneth is. An Oscar winning actor. She 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:02.960 built Coop from a simple newsletter into an influential and 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:08.399 uplifting business with energy, elegance, and strong values. Another memory 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:12.040 ten years ago, just after the death of our son BeO, 0:01:12.600 --> 0:01:15.800 I asked Gwyneth if she might surprise the River Cafe 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:18.920 team and sing one song for them at our Christmas 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:22.560 party to thank them for their care and concern for me. 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:27.760 Gwyneth not only said yes, she sang four songs, danced 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:30.800 with everyone, and stayed to the very end. In the 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:34.640 River Cafe history, we still talk about the time Gwyneth 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:39.319 Paltrow came to sing. I admire Gwyneth for being a brave, 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:44.320 smart entrepreneur. I respect Gwyneth as a writer of recipes. 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:47.560 Most of all, I love Gwyneth for being there with 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:50.560 me that night and here with me today. 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:57.800 Oh boy, I wasn't expecting that that was so beautiful. 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:01.960 Thank you, Gwyneth. Which wuld you like to read the recipe? 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:05.400 I would love to one of my favorites from the 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:11.320 River Cafe. Zucchini free tea five hundred gram zucchini, one 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:16.000 liter sunflower oil for the batter, one hundred and fifty 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:20.480 grams of plain flour, three tablespoons extra virgin olive oil, 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:26.840 three tablespoons warm water, three egg whites organic. Cut the 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:30.480 zucchini into five millimeter thick ovals, then cut them into 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:34.880 thick matchsticks. For the batter. See the flour into a bowl, 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:38.240 make a well in the center. Pour in the olive oil, 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:42.160 and stirt to combine lucinetting enough warm water to make 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:46.120 a batter the consistency of double cream. Heat the oil 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:48.360 in a high sided pan to one hundred and ninety 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:53.000 degrees celsius. Beat the egg whites until stiff and fold 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:56.560 into the batter. Dip the zucchini in the batter. Fry 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:59.640 in batches in the hot oil until golden and crisp. 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:01.000 Serve immediately. 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:04.000 So when you make do you make zucchini do fry? 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:05.359 Do you do zucchini free tea. 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:08.360 All the time? Yeah, it's Apple's. One of Apple's favorite 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:11.840 foods is zucchini free tea. And they're so good, especially 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:14.120 when the one thing also you can do with zucchini. 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:16.840 They're slightly larger, I think because the way we do 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:19.000 it of cutting it into rounds and then cutting into 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:21.040 strips may make it easier. 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:22.440 Do you grow them here? 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:25.320 No, you're getting back east on Long Island in the summer, 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:29.360 we have tomatoes and zucchini for days and days and 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:33.840 days and flowers. They're so delicious. Except I have to say, 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:37.480 and I'm probably this is probably really unpopular, but I 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:40.600 like mozzarella in them more than ricotta in them. 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:43.840 I don't put any cheese in them. No, I'm never have. 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:47.680 I just love having them absolutely, just the flower and 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:49.920 the kids fry them and then you hold them by 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:52.200 the stem and you just eat them. So, if we 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:54.880 were going to start at the beginning, what is the beginning? 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:56.880 Where were you born? Where did you grow up? 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:01.760 I was born here in Los Angeles and Hollyoo. We 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:03.760 kind of went back and forth between New York City 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:06.080 and Santa Monica a lot. I did a lot of 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:09.080 preschool in New York City, and I did first and 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:11.920 third grades in New York City while my mother was 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:15.520 on Broadway, and then the bulk of the rest of 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:18.320 elementary school here, and then moved permanently to New York 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:19.359 City when I was eleven. 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:23.560 Can you remember the kitchens? Could described the kitchens, but 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:26.440 they're very different. The LA house and the kitchens were 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:29.760 very different. So our kitchen and in Los Angeles here 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:33.480 had a brick floor, red brick floor and a tile counter, 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:38.080 sort of like very country kitchen. Lots of windows and 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:40.920 you could see the backyard in the pool, and we 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:42.400 were in there a lot. I mean, I think with 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:46.320 every house you're in the kitchen more than anywhere. Our 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:48.560 New York kitchen was on the ground floor. We grew 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:52.800 up in a townhouse, almost no windows, but we had 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:55.279 a big fireplace in the kitchen, which is really nice, 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:57.440 and it was more of a modern kitchen. It had 0:04:57.480 --> 0:04:59.560 been done by a Swedish architects. It was kind of 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:01.560 minimal and who cooked. 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:06.640 Well. When I was little, I remember, I mean my 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:10.640 mom cooked. My dad started cooking a lot, but that 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:13.600 was later. He got very into cooking kind of when 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:18.159 we were older teenagers. But we had we had a 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:20.359 no pair that would cook. My mom would cook. It 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:22.480 was kind of like a group effort in the kitchen. 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:26.200 But my mom was always like, she loves food, but 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:29.760 she would get sort of stressed cooking, you know, whereas 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:32.360 my dad was like thought it was really fun. My mom, 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:34.440 I don't think she found it so relaxing. 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:38.799 And also you just mentioned that she was in theater nice, 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:39.800 so what was that luck? 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:44.119 So she would come home late after the theater, which 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:47.760 when I was older was really nice. I remember when 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:49.359 I was in high school and she would finish a 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:51.400 plane come home and I would still be awake and 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:53.600 we would kind of have a chat, which was some 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:56.840 of my favorite memories of growing up. In New York, 0:05:56.920 --> 0:06:01.080 and or she was doing Shakespeare in the Park and 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:04.040 I would walk down Central Park to go visit her 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:08.200 and watch her. So it was really a wonderful thing 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:12.040 having a mother so steeped in the arts in New 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:14.880 York and with all of the friends and you know, 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:17.680 the artists singing around the piano, and you know, it 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:19.040 was really a great way to check it. 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:21.560 Would she have eaten? Do you think? I often ask 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:24.880 actors who are acting in a play. Do they eat 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:27.560 before the play? Do they eat after the play? Do they? 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:29.120 And everyone varies. 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:33.200 Yeah, I think she would generally eat before unless she 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:38.400 had friends coming. It's sort of an occupational hazard to 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:40.960 eat after. I did a play in London, I think 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:44.560 in maybe two thousand and two, and I ate every 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:47.719 night after the play, and I gained about fifteen. 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:50.920 There is also that thing when you go to see 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:52.800 somebody in a play and then they go, you know, 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:55.839 Ray fines doesn't. It's always dinner afterwards, and you do 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:58.479 see the kind of fatigue and then letting go and 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:01.400 probably eating too much a night, I know, but then 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:05.080 eating before you might go on. Did you feel stuffed 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:05.839 when you went on to the. 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:08.279 Yeah, I couldn't. I couldn't eat before. I was too 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:10.760 nervous to eat before, So I would always end up 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:14.000 eating after and go to Jay Chiky and he, you know, 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:16.920 have a bottle of wine and French fries and some 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:19.760 kind of oyster. And back to New York and back 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:22.480 to growing up with a mother who was acting. And 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:25.000 what was your father doing? He was making TV shows, 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:27.480 So he was making shows here and in New York and 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:29.760 doing a lot of traveling back and forth, and then 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:32.360 and then kind of settled in New York. And that 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:35.560 was great when he was with us all the time. 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:39.040 And but I don't remember him really being in the 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:45.000 kitchen until he had kind of slowed down how prolifically 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:47.520 he was making TV shows. And when he kind of 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:50.280 slowed turned everything down a notch is when he really 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:51.360 got into cooking. 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:53.960 And would you have meals around the table together with 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:57.080 you and Jake? Oh, my parents sit down? What were 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:57.480 they like? 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:02.200 They were really nice? I mean it was I think 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:05.760 we felt special being included at the dinner table, even 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:08.200 though it was a nightly event. It felt, you know, 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:10.920 like if they had friends over. We sat with them 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:13.880 at the table and had long conversations It's something that 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:15.880 I've carried on with my kids as well. You know, 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:19.000 we always have dinner all together as a family, no 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:21.960 phones allowed at the table, and you get into great 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:25.720 discourse with them and hear what they think about things. 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:28.480 And I think my father made me feel that I 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:32.640 was valuable during those dinners because he really elicited our opinion. 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:35.800 He asked questions, and my brother and I were very 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:38.000 much a part of the conversation. 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:39.240 It was his background. 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:42.959 Well, it's interesting, you know because touching on what you 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:46.240 were saying, before he grew up without money. He grew 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:49.400 up on Long Island, and they were you know, they 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:52.720 were kind of a working class moving trying moving up 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:55.800 into middle class Jewish family, but they didn't have a 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:59.120 lot of disposable income, and they didn't they didn't go 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:03.680 out to eat. So when my father finally made it, 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:07.240 you know, like his and he loved food and all 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:10.400 the beautiful things in life. You know, he loved beautiful 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:12.719 fabrics and paintings, and you know, he would take me 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:15.640 to every museum in the world and we would walk 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:18.720 for hours. And I think food for him was really 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:24.240 an expression of life's beauty and our blessings and good 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:26.560 fortune to be able to eat something that was fresh 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:30.640 and delicious and really well conceived and thought about. And 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:35.679 he was so proud that, you know, we ate oysters 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:39.160 and you know, things that he hadn't come across until 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:42.959 really later in his life. And I always remember, and 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:46.000 I wrote about this in my first book, that when 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:48.960 we would get into the car to go out to dinner, like, 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:52.040 no matter how many times we had gone, like, he 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:55.200 was so excited. It was like the greatest thing of 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:57.120 all time that we were going out to dinner. 0:09:57.920 --> 0:10:00.240 I think that it's interesting because people that I've told to, 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:04.640 many of them measure their success in the ability to 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:08.160 eat well. It's fascinating that people, you know, when they 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:11.920 were able to go to restaurants and choose something that 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:14.480 they weren't worried about how much it cost, or you 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:17.040 know Paul McCartney saying that he always thought wine was 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:19.720 terrible because he only had really really cheap wine. And 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:22.320 then when he was able to go to a restaurants 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:24.880 somebody bought him a fabulous bottle of wine, he kind 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:27.360 of understood what it had meant to work hard and 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:30.240 what he could do and even just going to restaurants 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:34.240 so that what going back to your dad, what were 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:35.040 his parents like? 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:41.840 They were New Yorkers. They had so my grandfather's grandfather 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:45.280 had come from Poland. They were from a long line 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:50.880 of rabbis, and they were all Ashkenazi Jews from Poland 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:55.840 and Russia kind of Belarusian, and they were, you know, 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:57.800 had grown up. My grandfather had grown up in a 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:01.280 tenement on the Lower East Side and fought his way 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:04.880 into military school so he could, you know, have three 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:08.640 square meals a day and learn. He craved discipline and order, 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:11.160 and so he was very proud of himself that he 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:13.800 had put himself, you know, had gotten himself in that position. 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:17.960 And they were great. And my grandmother, my dad's mom, 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:20.319 was a great I mean I loved eating at her house. 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:22.600 Grandmother's are really important. 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:26.960 Yeah. Food, I mean she made brisket and that it 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:30.040 was like the best brisket in the world. And then 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:33.360 she also let us have junk food, which we were 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:36.080 not allowed from my mother. So you know, we would 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:37.760 go to stay with them and there would be fruit 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:39.720 loops and I would be out of my mind, you know, 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:44.320 Jake and I would be eating wonderbread with frenches, mustard 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:47.000 and a slice of tomato and lettuce, and we thought 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:50.040 it was the most delicious thing of all time. 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:53.840 So we have a recipe for brisket I do. And 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:55.080 what about your mother's mother. 0:11:55.960 --> 0:12:01.000 My mother's mother was a fantastic cook and entertainer. She 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:06.720 was a really scary person, but she made the best food. 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:10.360 I'll never forget the things that, you know, really sort 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:14.720 of like fifties food that she made all throughout the eighties, 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:18.360 you know. So her the best deviled eggs in the 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:22.720 whole world, the best Christmas dinners with her stuffing in 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:27.000 her and her spreads would be this whole table full 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:29.160 of the most delicious food. And it was only her, 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:34.920 you know, on her own, chopping and cooking, and her 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:38.360 food was amazing. She was a great, a really great cook. 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:51.400 You grew up in this house where your father loved 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:54.160 to take you to restaurants and to eat, and your 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:58.600 mother cared for you and came home after theater stories, 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:02.160 and then you left home. And did you cook after 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:04.679 you left home for yourself or did you go home 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:05.080 to eat? 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:08.439 That's when I really started to learn how to cook. 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:11.959 I went I graduated from school in New York City, 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:14.800 and I went to UC Santa Barbara all the way 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:17.840 across the country, and my father was in Santa Monica 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:21.000 a lot, and I would come home for weekends or 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:23.640 you know, for some good food, and we would cook 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:27.840 together a lot. And that's when we both really started cooking. 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:31.480 And that's when the Food Network was just amazing and 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:35.640 really instructional and tactical, and we would watch you know, 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:38.560 the food the Food Network and learn things and try 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:41.360 them out. Or we would go out to there was 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:43.880 a restaurant in Venice that was kind of legendary called 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:46.480 seventy two Market Street and we would go there, and 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:50.160 or Sheen Wah on Maine, which is a Wolfgang Puck 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:54.760 French fusion Chinese russaurant that I still love to this day. 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:57.400 So there's like a couple places that he would that 0:13:57.480 --> 0:13:59.760 he loved that we would go to. But we also 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:00.600 cooked a lot. 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:02.840 And so do you do that with your children? Do 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:03.559 you cook with them? 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:04.000 I do? 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:05.199 I love both of them. 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:08.080 I cook for both. I cook. You know, Apple's really 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:11.040 interesting because now she's kind of very independent and she 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:14.080 likes to cook for herself a lot, so and she's 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:18.040 vegetarian and she has like really specific food ideas which 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:20.800 is so great and I love I would say what 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:23.920 she asked me to make still for her the most 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:28.640 is lemon pasta. She went through a real like fetichini, 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:33.400 alfredo face and breakfast potatoes. She asked, that's probably what 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:35.280 she asked me to make the most these days. And 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:38.120 then Moses, you know, during the week, I don't. I 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:41.640 don't have time to cook very much. But I cook 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:44.320 kind of all weekend long, and I really love it, 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:48.200 especially Friday nights. It's like how I transition from my 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:50.720 week to being like a woman in a body. 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:54.880 And did they cook with you or do you think you? 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:55.720 Yeah, they do? 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:56.600 Do they cook for them? 0:14:56.760 --> 0:15:01.360 I mean, Apple will definitely cook with me. Moses will help, yeah, 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:04.160 but I mostly cook for them. I mean I think 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:07.000 they liked being especially because when we were living in 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:11.080 London and I was before I started Goop, I cooked 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:15.480 all the meals, and so they really they have nostalgia 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:18.400 around me cooking them all the meals, and so I 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:21.160 think there's I think especially Moses sometimes he's like, why 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.520 are you making me more food? 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:27.160 You just love? Do you think that you're interested in 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:29.280 cooking for them? Does come from your own childhood? 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:34.040 Or I do? Because It was such an unabashed expression 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:36.360 of my father's love for us, like there was no 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:40.200 denying it. And when someone is so excited about like 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:44.120 the seer on their baby back ribs, you know, and 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:45.680 like look at this, Look what I did. You know, 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:49.040 it's so imbued with love that you can't It's undeniable, 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:51.920 and so you learn it as a love language. I 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:53.640 just had this beegind I at a house full of 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:56.800 people at our house in Santa Barbara, and I was 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:59.720 making all these different breakfasts, and you know, my friends 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:01.680 are like, oh my god, we feel so terrible, and 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:03.520 I was like, no, you don't understand, Like this is 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:06.120 my love language. Like I'm so happy doing this. 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:08.680 Did you travel with your parents? Did you go to 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:10.160 Italy or Spain or. 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:14.560 We never went to Italy until you know, the first 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:18.840 time I ever went to Italy with my father, he 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:22.720 was when he died. He died in Florence, he died 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:28.080 in he died in Rome, and we were doing our 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:32.800 first kind of road trip after my thirtieth birthday. And yeah, 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:36.560 he kind of died on me, which complicated the trip. 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:40.200 Is a complicate Italy for you? 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:43.320 Yeah, it did complicate Italy for me for a long time. 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:49.160 I didn't go back for ten years. And when we 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:51.440 were on our road trip and I found out that 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:53.360 he was sick and he had been coughing up blood, 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:55.040 and I said, we have to go to the hospital. 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:56.600 You know, he'd been hiding it for me because he 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:59.560 didn't want He really wanted to finish our trip. And 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:01.880 I was like, this is so, we're going to the hospital. 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:03.240 And he was like, no, we got to get to 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:05.800 the Splendido. He really was trying, and I was like, 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:08.200 we're not going to the like, we're going to the hospital. 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:12.359 And he ended up dying. And then I had a 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:15.040 real aversion to Italy for a long time. And then, 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:19.600 very sweetly Chris Martin, my first husband, on my fortieth 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:22.640 birthday ten years later. And I was having a lot 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:25.840 of anxiety about it anyway, because I think turning forty, 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:27.880 I mean, I'm about to turn fifty and I kind 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:30.159 of don't give a but forty, I was like, really 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:36.040 had so much anxiety about it. And he by that point, 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:38.600 I had the two kids, and we got on a 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:40.960 plane and I didn't know where we were going, and 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:43.840 we all of a sudden, I realized we were landing 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:47.440 in Genoa and that we were going to the Splendido, 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:51.440 which was so sweet. It was such a nice surprise. 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:56.000 So it was like a completion, but it was. But 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:59.480 Jake was with me and my two best friends Mary 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:02.080 and Julie, who've been my best friend since one since 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:04.080 I was four and one since I was eleven. They 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:06.480 were with me, and they my father was like a 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:09.080 father to them too, so it was it ended up 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:11.600 being a really beautiful experience that we all got to 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:14.840 be there and and kind of come full circle. And 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:17.200 now I'm you know, we we bought a little farmhouse 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:21.920 in Umbria, so just south of the Tuscan border. 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:25.399 Great food in Umbria, Yeah, truffles in the fall, you 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:29.200 have lentils, you know. Bar It's great. 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:31.800 I know, it's really it's a really special place. So 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:34.920 I'm excited to spend more time there and to learn 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:35.680 some Italian. 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:37.399 But what about Spain of France? 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:41.639 Spain so France. Well I kind of told this like 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:44.560 now now it's kind of food. A famous story about 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:49.040 my dad taking me. My mom was doing a filming 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:51.360 something in London when I was ten, we still lived 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:53.360 in Los Angeles and we all made the trip over 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:56.560 to visit her, and then my dad took me to 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:02.080 Paris for the weekend and just he and I and 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:04.840 we stayed at the Ritz and we went to the 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:06.439 Pompey Dew, we went to the Louver, we went to 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:09.680 all museums and my main thing was that I wanted 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:15.479 to eat French fries, like actual French fries free. So 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:18.119 that was the first thing we did when we checked 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:22.160 into the hotel, is that I ordered French fries and 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:24.399 he took me all around, you know, we were eating 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:28.959 all kinds of things. And on the way back to London, 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:32.400 he said, do you know why I took you to Paris, 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:35.880 just you and I? And I said no, and he said, 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:40.159 because I wanted you to see Paris for the first 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:42.399 time with a man who will always love you no 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:44.280 matter what. 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:50.119 So sweet, I mean, what you've been talking about is 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:54.560 memories of a man who loved food, loved you, wanted 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:58.720 to take you and indulge in new experiences to do 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:01.600 with eating and cooking and spending time with you. And 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:05.040 I think that you know, that is about what we do. 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:07.920 Food is memory and food is love, you know, it's 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:10.960 really and that's what you're doing with your children and 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:13.720 what we keep doing and your grandmother. So many people 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:16.800 I've talked to really talk about their grandmothers. You know, yeah, 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:19.600 because I think again, I do it with my grandchildren. 0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:22.480 I know that. You know, if you're a working mother, 0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:24.639 you're trying to get through the day or it's like 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:27.199 a struggle, and the cand mother is a place you 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:29.199 want them to remember your food. You want them to 0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:33.359 want to spoil them and give them loops, fruit loops 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:37.000 and also a recipe that they'll cook they're gone. 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:40.000 It's true. I often think about that and think about 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:43.199 the food legacy of a family and what dishes go 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:46.399 from generation to generation. And there's also seems to be 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:49.520 such a specific flavor profile. You know. It's like if 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:51.960 if I cook something, you know, my kids like the 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:55.480 way I cook something as opposed to anybody else, even 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:58.199 if it's you know, like there we're all following the 0:20:58.240 --> 0:20:59.080 same recipe. 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:11.960 Of course, should we just talk about the food that 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:14.720 you're cooking with? Goog that you want a sole because 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:18.040 you have had such an influence on the way we eat, 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:21.760 the way we live, the way we buy, the way 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:24.359 we collect, the way we treat ourselves. 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:29.200 Yeah, I mean it's been probably the steepest learning curve 0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:32.359 of my life. And it's also a marathon. You know, 0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:35.560 it's been years of building a business and not having 0:21:35.680 --> 0:21:38.360