Speaker 1: It was like I was kept underground for so long
Speaker 1: and then just spit out. At twenty three, I call
Speaker 1: it when I entered.
Speaker 2: The real world.
Speaker 1: It was a whole other world than what it had been,
Speaker 1: and so many things had happened.
Speaker 3: Lindsay was thirteen years old when she was sent away
Speaker 3: to live with the Maidens, and for a long time,
Speaker 3: all she wanted was to go home. Now, at twenty three,
Speaker 3: she was home back at her family's house in Pennsylvania,
Speaker 3: but her family felt like strangers, especially her siblings who
Speaker 3: are so much older. Now. Everything felt strange.
Speaker 1: People were teaching me about the Internet, and I remember
Speaker 1: learning about Craigslist because I needed a car. I looked
Speaker 1: up the Backstreet Boys because when I had left in
Speaker 1: ninety eight they were like what I was listening to.
Speaker 2: I loved them.
Speaker 1: My parents had a TV and I remember watching Dancing
Speaker 1: with the Stars. When September of old around, that was
Speaker 1: the first time I saw images for nine to eleven.
Speaker 1: I didn't really know what happened in nine to eleven
Speaker 1: until then. I remember I made a Facebook and my
Speaker 1: mom telling me that I shouldn't have it, and I
Speaker 1: deleted it because I got really scared again.
Speaker 3: Scared because Lindsay knew that her mom still talked with
Speaker 3: leaders in River Road Fellowship. Lindsay may have left the Maidens,
Speaker 3: but she was still supposed to follow Victor's rules. Her
Speaker 3: parents still held Fellowship meetings and centered their lives around
Speaker 3: their profit. They even had a picture of Victor displayed.
Speaker 3: It was like Victor had followed her there. She was
Speaker 3: pretty sure her parents still sent Victor money to funding
Speaker 3: his lifestyle and his frequent location changes, even though her
Speaker 3: parents were followers. The longer Lindsay was away from Victor,
Speaker 3: the easier it was for her to pull away from
Speaker 3: the group.
Speaker 1: I think I talked to Victor once. He asked me
Speaker 1: if I was being like mindful of the hope and
Speaker 1: the return of Jesus Christ, and of course I said
Speaker 1: yes to all those things. And after a while, like
Speaker 1: the letter stopped, no more phone calls. I kind of
Speaker 1: went crazy after a while, Like not crazy, but I
Speaker 1: just was like full force, like I was ready to
Speaker 1: experience everything.
Speaker 3: Victor had emphasized that Lindsay always had a choice, even
Speaker 3: if his influence warmed its way inside how she thought
Speaker 3: about everything. Now, Lindsay would make a flurry of decisions
Speaker 3: some big, some small, and one of those choices would
Speaker 3: not only change her life, it would change the future
Speaker 3: of River Road Fellowship and everyone inside. From her Cocoa
Speaker 3: Punch and iHeart podcasts, this is the Turning River Road,
Speaker 3: I America Lance and I'm ailn Lance Lesser Heart six
Speaker 3: the choice. Lindsay needed a job, so her parents landlord founder,
Speaker 3: won in the cafeteria of a local gym, and she
Speaker 3: took other jobs as they came away, nanny server people too.
Speaker 1: They would be like living under a rock. You don't
Speaker 1: know these cultural references because I was so naive about
Speaker 1: everything and I was so gullible. Still am a little
Speaker 1: to this day, but back then it was so bad.
Speaker 1: I was a waitress at this Irish pub. The restaurant
Speaker 1: manager at one point told me to go to the
Speaker 1: basement and look for the left hand did skillet pans
Speaker 1: that were down there, And I was down there for
Speaker 1: like thirty minutes searching for them. I thought he was
Speaker 1: being serious and came back up, and obviously he wasn't.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's like just a silly example.
Speaker 1: I believed anything anybody told me, literally had no sense
Speaker 1: of why would they lie to me?
Speaker 2: I just thought everyone would be telling the truth.
Speaker 3: In River Road Fellowship. If you lied, you got in trouble.
Speaker 3: And Lindsay always trusted anything Victor told her completely.
Speaker 1: Everything was so foreign, and everything I knew was life
Speaker 1: on a farm planting gardens and slaughtering chickens and raising
Speaker 1: lambs and sewing clothes.
Speaker 2: And I mean nobody did that stuff where I now lived.
Speaker 1: It was I would just tell people, Oh, you know,
Speaker 1: I just lived a very sheltered life and I was homeschooled.
Speaker 3: Everything Lindsay was learning about the outside world felt so outlandish.
Speaker 3: The things that actually were outlandish were impossible to identify.
Speaker 3: Everything felt equally wild to her. Pretty soon, Lindsay stopped
Speaker 3: going to the fellowships her parents held in their home.
Speaker 3: She started spending more time meeting friends, going on dates,
Speaker 3: having fun.
Speaker 1: I started playing Ultimate Frisbee. I was in three Ultimate
Speaker 1: Frisbee leagues. At one point, I know, I tell you,
Speaker 1: I went crazy. I just was like, couldn't get enough
Speaker 1: of life. I remember I went to my first bar
Speaker 1: it was probably that winter, and my mom did not
Speaker 1: want me to go. She was like standing at the
Speaker 1: counter at the island telling me I shouldn't go, and
Speaker 1: my dad was like Heggy, like just let her go,
Speaker 1: like she's gonna be fine. What do you think's going
Speaker 1: to happen? I drank six tequila Sunrises in thirty minutes
Speaker 1: because I was just so happy to be there and
Speaker 1: they were going down really well, and I ended up
Speaker 1: throwing up everywhere.
Speaker 2: It was so awful. The girl I was with was
Speaker 2: really kind and I worked with her. She took care
Speaker 2: of me. I stayed at her house that night.
Speaker 1: But basically all of twenty eleven, if anyone invited me
Speaker 1: to go out to the bars, like I was in
Speaker 1: and I still held down a job and I started
Speaker 1: nannying full time. I don't know how I did it all,
Speaker 1: but any night of the week that somebody wanted to
Speaker 1: go out, I would be out partying. I did a
Speaker 1: lot of reckless things I.
Speaker 2: Because I was like so gullible.
Speaker 1: I still remember the first time when I was at
Speaker 1: a bar and some guy looked at me and he
Speaker 1: told me you were the most beautiful girl in the room,
Speaker 1: like and I can't wait to show you all over
Speaker 1: Westchester and you like show you all these places. And
Speaker 1: I genuinely believed him, like I thought he was being
Speaker 1: so serious and of course he wasn't.
Speaker 2: He just wanted to sleep with me. That happened a lot.
Speaker 1: I ended up in some very terrible situations, and I
Speaker 1: was still in that mindset the only way to make
Speaker 1: men happy was to have sex with them. I think
Speaker 1: it had been ingrained in me for so long, even
Speaker 1: with Victor when he said that he was going to
Speaker 1: take away sex from me for not being thin enough.
Speaker 1: I just was a very willing participant because I thought
Speaker 1: that the way to get them to like me, to
Speaker 1: want to hang out with me was to sleep with them.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised, like I never did.
Speaker 1: I just could have ended up in a really bad
Speaker 1: you know, being drugged, or ended up with an STD here,
Speaker 1: ended up dead, you know, Like it's just a miracle
Speaker 1: that I didn't.
Speaker 3: It's like you didn't have a sense of safety practices.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not at all.
Speaker 1: Some like crazy things that I did. I went on
Speaker 1: this date and the next day, so I'm in the
Speaker 1: parking lot and like we said hello and gave each
Speaker 1: other hug, and I'm walking away and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: love you, Like I just.
Speaker 2: Bored it now.
Speaker 4: And I had no.
Speaker 2: Idea like what love was.
Speaker 1: I was just people probably thought it was crazy because
Speaker 1: I had no idea how to act, and he never
Speaker 1: talked to me again.
Speaker 2: I don't blame him.
Speaker 1: This other guy I met on a dating website and
Speaker 1: it was around Valentine's Day, and I asked for his
Speaker 1: address and I mailed him a hundred dollars bouquet of
Speaker 1: flowers to his house because I thought like I was
Speaker 1: being nice, because it was almost all I knew how
Speaker 1: to please people, which is ironic, because that's what I
Speaker 1: got reproved on the most was people pleasing.
Speaker 3: Victor used to get mad when he thought Lindsay was
Speaker 3: trying to please other people, especially if he thought she
Speaker 3: was giving other men or boys attention. But the no
Speaker 3: people pleasing role did not apply when it came to Victor.
Speaker 3: Lindsay had become an expert at pleasing him and doing
Speaker 3: anything she could to avoid his anger. Maybe that's where
Speaker 3: she got these over the top gestures of affection she
Speaker 3: used in her dating life, now the same sort of
Speaker 3: intense attention Victor loved.
Speaker 5: As Lindsay interacted more with the outside world, she started
Speaker 5: to look at her past life from a new angle,
Speaker 5: and one day it all hid her. It was about
Speaker 5: a year and a half after she'd left the Maidens.
Speaker 5: She went to a house party with her cousin Kathy.
Speaker 5: A bunch of Kathy's friends from high school and colleg
Speaker 5: were there.
Speaker 1: They were talking about, you know, all those years together,
Speaker 1: growing up and singing in the choir, playing sports and traveling,
Speaker 1: and for some crazy reason, in that moment, and I
Speaker 1: still have a picture in that night and I look haggard.
Speaker 1: It might have been taken after I was crying. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but I remember thinking at some point during
Speaker 1: that night, oh my gosh, my childhood was stolen from me.
Speaker 1: I don't have any of these kinds of memories. And
Speaker 1: I remember Kathy and her friend Rosie. We went into
Speaker 1: this room and we were sitting on the floor, and
Speaker 1: I started to tell them a little bit about what happened.
Speaker 1: I don't even think I got into like details with them.
Speaker 1: And Kathy looked at me and she's like, Lindsey, you
Speaker 1: were right. You had been raped at thirteen years old.
Speaker 1: Almost at first it was like, wait, what does that
Speaker 1: mean again? What does rape even mean? What does it
Speaker 1: look like? Because I never thought that what Victor had
Speaker 1: done to me was rape. In my mind, it was
Speaker 1: all God's love and he loved me and it was okay.
Speaker 1: And I remember her and Rosie being like so serious
Speaker 1: and intense, and things were slowly hitting me that had
Speaker 1: never crossed my mind before. I never thought of that word,
Speaker 1: never realized that that's what had happened to me. I
Speaker 1: that moment I'll never forget with those two girls.
Speaker 5: Lindsay's cousin Kathy said, if you're comfortable, you should tell
Speaker 5: my dad and stepmom. So the next day they all
Speaker 5: sat down in the family room. Lindsay started to talk.
Speaker 5: She felt embarrassed, scared, she didn't know what would happen.
Speaker 5: Her aunt and uncle listened to it all, and then
Speaker 5: they encouraged her to call the police, and Lindsay wanted to.
Speaker 5: It was like the truth had broken open.
Speaker 1: I think even in that moment, the heaviness of it
Speaker 1: and the severity of it didn't even quite hit me yet.
Speaker 1: I remember talking to the cop in Pine County in
Speaker 1: my bedroom at my parents' house, and I just started
Speaker 1: telling them like kind of who I was and.
Speaker 2: Kind of what happened.
Speaker 5: So here's this Pine County Sheriff's Office document, basically like
Speaker 5: a report suspect Victor Arden Bernard on one three twenty twelve,
Speaker 5: Blank called the Pine County Sheriff's office and made a
Speaker 5: report of sexual abuse that occurred to her from the
Speaker 5: age of thirteen until the age of twenty two. She
Speaker 5: reported that the perpetrator was Victor Bernard, who was in
Speaker 5: charge of the River Road Fellowship. She advised me that
Speaker 5: if parents find out that she is making this report,
Speaker 5: they will contact Bernard and he will flee the country.
Speaker 1: I remember thinking that I didn't know if they believed
Speaker 1: me or not, you know, and if they thought I
Speaker 1: was making it up.
Speaker 5: Blank stated that she was a member of Maiden's group.
Speaker 5: There were ten young females in the group and they
Speaker 5: lived together. Blank reports the following she was sexual and
Speaker 5: physically abused from the age of thirteen to the age
Speaker 5: of twenty two by Victor Bernard while she was a
Speaker 5: member of his maidens group. Bernard then told them in
Speaker 5: the time of King Solomon, he had many concubines and
Speaker 5: that it was okay for him, Bernard, to have sexual
Speaker 5: contact with them, the maidens, because he was a man
Speaker 5: of the cloth and they would remain virgins.
Speaker 1: And I think he asked me if there was anyone
Speaker 1: else that could come forward.
Speaker 5: There was only one person Lindsay could think of one
Speaker 5: person who would know exactly what she'd gone through, who
Speaker 5: had a story like hers.
Speaker 2: It was almost like a no brainer.
Speaker 5: The girl with red hair, a tough attitude, and a
Speaker 5: giant smile Jess short for Jessana. She lived in Wisconsin now.
Speaker 5: Lindsay sent her a Facebook message without hesitation, Jess said
Speaker 5: she was in She called the police too, just told
Speaker 5: them what had happened to her, and she gave them
Speaker 5: every document she could think of, all of her old papers, notes, diaries,
Speaker 5: She kept old calendars whereas a kid, she had drawn
Speaker 5: x's on the day's victor had raped her. It's almost
Speaker 5: like she knew she might need a record of it someday.
Speaker 5: They're all part of a file, a set of cardboard
Speaker 5: boxes full of these pieces of evidence.
Speaker 3: This is a photocopy of something of a card that's handwritten,
Speaker 3: and then there's a note on the top. It says,
Speaker 3: this is a card Victor sent me the morning after
Speaker 3: the first night I slept with him, Jasana. It's a
Speaker 3: little card. Yeah, that's just really upsetting to my beloved Jasana.
Speaker 3: I thank God for you as I remember your tears
Speaker 3: and love and believing I have you in my heart,
Speaker 3: and I'm so glad to be waiting and watching and
Speaker 3: longing together for our beloved Lord Jesus Christ, kept by
Speaker 3: his love together with you.
Speaker 5: Victor God. That makes me sick. I thank God for
Speaker 5: you as I remember your tears. I mean, even with that,
Speaker 5: it's him acknowledging there were tears, you know. Yeah, somehow
Speaker 5: actually seeing his handwriting, he does these little squiggles with
Speaker 5: his gees that make me feel like he cares about
Speaker 5: how his handwriting looks. And then he signs it'd been
Speaker 5: kind of this cursive.
Speaker 3: She kept that card for so long, and I wonder
Speaker 3: she just felt like it was a piece of evidence.
Speaker 5: And she must have been very young men when he
Speaker 5: first raped her. It sounds like she was a little girl,
Speaker 5: a little middle schooler when he wrote her this. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's all reinforcing, stick with the program, stick with what
Speaker 5: I told you, I don't tell anyone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does feel like love bombing. I bet he
Speaker 3: strategically used love bombing at various times. Yeah, and it
Speaker 3: basically sounds like NonStop grooming.
Speaker 5: Yeah, continued of the whole cult. After Lindsay and Jess
Speaker 5: talked to the police. They thought something would happen. This
Speaker 5: had to be a turning point. Now that Lindsay's eyes
Speaker 5: had been opened, she wanted action. She wanted Victor held accountable,
Speaker 5: but that didn't seem to happen. She says, it was
Speaker 5: more like a smattering of phone calls spread over a year.
Speaker 1: It just felt like whenever they did call, or maybe
Speaker 1: I called, it was just me saying the same thing
Speaker 1: over and over and over again. Hey, we just want
Speaker 1: to ask you some more questions, maybe to get like
Speaker 1: clarification on stuff, any other details. And I was checking
Speaker 1: in a lot, like any updates, do you guys need anything?
Speaker 2: It felt like we were getting nowhere.
Speaker 5: Lindsay thought Victor could be in Brazil. She told police
Speaker 5: they'd been there together and gave a few specific locations.
Speaker 5: After phone calls, letters, interviews, she felt like a broken record.
Speaker 1: Why aren't we getting his picture out or like maybe
Speaker 1: getting the news involved. I was determined to make my
Speaker 1: story heard, make our voices heard, and get Victor arrested.
Speaker 1: And I was trying to get anyone who like in
Speaker 1: a position of power to help us. I wrote letters
Speaker 1: to the president. I wrote a letter to Katy Perry
Speaker 1: because she had grown up religiously.
Speaker 2: I wrote a letter of the FBI.
Speaker 6: This is specially Agent Jackie dor the FBI, Baltimore Division.
Speaker 6: It is ten oh four am on Wednesday, March twenty seven,
Speaker 6: twenty thirteen. This is Ky Pickens, US Postal Inspector, Washington Division.
Speaker 6: And we're here with Lindsay Tornanbe.
Speaker 2: They sent to people a lot to meet with me.
Speaker 7: I know this is incredibly difficult for you.
Speaker 6: Just take your time, okay, and then you know, we'll
Speaker 6: go back and ask you some questions afterwards. Okay.
Speaker 5: Lindsay started at the beginning. She told them how her
Speaker 5: family joined the group, how Victor exposed himself to her
Speaker 5: in the camper, why she was so afraid of him,
Speaker 5: the years of abuse. She drew them a map of
Speaker 5: the camp, with boxes and labels for all the locations. Alamoth,
Speaker 5: the big chapel where the whole church would meet, the
Speaker 5: dining hall where they prepared meals, the barn where they
Speaker 5: made their own clothes, the lotch.
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, so this started when you were about thirteen, okay,
Speaker 6: So how long did it.
Speaker 8: Go on until I left when I was twenty three?
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a long time.
Speaker 8: So I mean I guess like at times of like
Speaker 8: I blamed myself for not speaking out more, but like
Speaker 8: I was.
Speaker 9: Only fifteen, I didn't like want to I didn't know what.
Speaker 9: I didn't want to go to hell or something. I
Speaker 9: didn't know, and I didn't have my parents or anybody
Speaker 9: supporting me, so I just stayed and losing.
Speaker 6: No one at this table or anyone where else is
Speaker 6: going to tell you that you did anything wrong because
Speaker 6: you didn't. Okay, I mean, you're a kid, and you're
Speaker 6: in an unusual situation where you're part of a religious experience,
Speaker 6: let's call it, where you're being psychologically manipulated to believe
Speaker 6: in what he wants you to believe in, because his
Speaker 6: other agenda is basically too you know, based on what
Speaker 6: you're saying less kids, and he's looking to the Bible
Speaker 6: to justify whatever he does. And because your parents and
Speaker 6: all the other parents are so into this guy and
Speaker 6: believe everything he says, they don't think there's anything wrong
Speaker 6: with it, even though.
Speaker 7: They know better. You're thirteen, fourteen, fifteen when this happened.
Speaker 7: It's not your fault.
Speaker 3: Lindsay thought with the FBI involved, things might finally gain traction.
Speaker 1: They said, because the abuse never crossed state lines, they
Speaker 1: couldn't do anything. I think I was worried about the
Speaker 1: statute of limitations running out. I was feeling really desperate
Speaker 1: that somehow nothing like all of this and nothing would happen.
Speaker 2: It almost felt like nobody was believing me.
Speaker 1: They almost seemed to have no interest in wanting to
Speaker 1: help or to find Victor. I remember being so frustrated
Speaker 1: and just also in a lot of internal pain.
Speaker 3: Not only was she disheartened that she wasn't getting justice
Speaker 3: for herself, she worried about the maiden she left behind.
Speaker 3: They were still under Victor's control. Scores of other people
Speaker 3: were still being abused by him more if he recruited
Speaker 3: new followers, found new girls. She moved around a lot
Speaker 3: during this time, different states, different roommates. She didn't have
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff to move. Sometimes she couchsurfed, sometimes
Speaker 3: went back to her parents' place. She changed her name
Speaker 3: for a while because it reminds her too much of Victor.
Speaker 3: Even though Victor had changed her name to Lira, he
Speaker 3: still sometimes called her Lindsay or Lindsay Lira. When he
Speaker 3: was upset with her, He associated the name Lindsay was
Speaker 3: sin He would tell her he hated Lindsay, that Lindsay
Speaker 3: needed to die.
Speaker 2: I picked the name Katerinax.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a really pretty Italian name, and
Speaker 1: then I went by Cat.
Speaker 3: She thought about joining the military. She started making friends
Speaker 3: who were in the military too. She liked the camaraderie
Speaker 3: and something about having someone else be in control actually
Speaker 3: appealed to her. She had been told what to do
Speaker 3: her whole life, so that felt safe familiar.
Speaker 2: At the time.
Speaker 1: I was making a lot of friends who were in
Speaker 1: the military, and a lot of wounded warriors amputees, and
Speaker 1: I felt like, in some way it was really easy
Speaker 1: for me to hang around them because they had been
Speaker 1: through so much loss.
Speaker 2: Some of their outward.
Speaker 1: Pain you could see, you know, like limbs being lost
Speaker 1: in the therapy they would have to go through, and
Speaker 1: you couldn't see physically any of my pain. But I
Speaker 1: was hurting so much internally that I was gravitating towards
Speaker 1: hanging around them because they would constantly, you know, like
Speaker 1: tell each other jokes. I know that they definitely had
Speaker 1: bad times, but they still carried that like brotherhood when
Speaker 1: they were together and lifting each other up. I feel
Speaker 1: like I really needed that at that time.
Speaker 3: Did they know what you were going through?
Speaker 1: No, not many people did. I shared with some, but
Speaker 1: not not everybody. And then there were some friends. I
Speaker 1: met some military friends who needed a roommate, so I
Speaker 1: moved in with them in Manassas, Virginia, and it was great.
Speaker 2: You know the show New Girl Jess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they always said I reminded them of her because
Speaker 1: I was always like singing, singing my sentences and we
Speaker 1: didn't think we had our TV hooked up, like the
Speaker 1: first day or whatever, and they're like, that's okay, we
Speaker 1: have Kat here.
Speaker 3: Chelantanas, it sounds like your old self was coming back
Speaker 3: a little bit like your real self.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there were definitely periods.
Speaker 1: I mean there was also times there where I was
Speaker 1: cutting my wrists, you know, so it.
Speaker 2: It was some days were really, really hard. She says.
Speaker 3: She wasn't trying to kill herself, she was doing it
Speaker 3: to cope.
Speaker 1: I felt like my internal pain was so there was
Speaker 1: so much. I don't know, I just felt like I
Speaker 1: needed my body to feel physical pain. I almost felt
Speaker 1: like I was numb. I just need to feel something.
Speaker 1: During those years, especially in the beginning and then even
Speaker 1: years following, I mean a small trigger could just set
Speaker 1: me off. It could ruin my day, it could ruin
Speaker 1: my week. And it could be a smell Victor used
Speaker 1: to wear Spikenard and then Frankenson's and mirror. It could
Speaker 1: be seeing a mother and daughter walk down the street
Speaker 1: hand in hand. It could be like a memory that
Speaker 1: came up. And sometimes I didn't even know what the
Speaker 1: trigger was. It was really high highs, really low lows.
Speaker 1: No thanks to any drugs. It was just my emotions
Speaker 1: trying to process all of this stuff.
Speaker 3: She decided to tell her parents, tell them about it,
Speaker 3: all about what had really happened to her for years
Speaker 3: as a maiden in River Road. There leader Victor had
Speaker 3: really done.
Speaker 2: We were in the driveway.
Speaker 1: And I just started telling them and I probably was
Speaker 1: just word vomiting. This is what really happened, and this
Speaker 1: is what he did to me, and you know, I'm
Speaker 1: going to the cops and just helping. My dad was
Speaker 1: like very sad. He just said he would help wherever
Speaker 1: he could. I remember my sister yelling at me that
Speaker 1: I was making this up and none of that happened.
Speaker 1: And I remember walking through the garage into the kitchen
Speaker 1: where my mother was and I think I was saying
Speaker 1: something like, don't you believe me, Like, this is what
Speaker 1: really happened to me. I was raped by him all
Speaker 1: those years, since I was thirteen. She looked at me
Speaker 1: and she was like, a lot of bad things happen,
Speaker 1: but Victor is a man of God, and I'm going
Speaker 1: to follow him.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 1: I am crying and bearing my soul to her that
Speaker 1: Victor had raped me repeatedly for all those years, and
Speaker 1: she was so cold hearted, so cold to me. It
Speaker 1: was immediately just defending the person who had hurt me
Speaker 1: all those years, and I left no other word. I
Speaker 1: don't think I said anything to her, just walked out
Speaker 1: the door. At the time, I felt like nobody could
Speaker 1: answer these questions like why did my parents do that?
Speaker 1: How could they leave me there and be raped for
Speaker 1: all those years.
Speaker 4: Nobody came to rescue me. And then on top of it,
Speaker 4: I was trying to get help and tell my story,
Speaker 4: and like nobody was believing me, and it just felt
Speaker 4: like justice would never happen.
Speaker 3: When did the pattern of just you calling and them
Speaker 3: calling you actually turn.
Speaker 1: It was January of twenty fourteen that I got an
Speaker 1: email from Tom Lyden.
Speaker 3: So Far trying to tell her parents, or the police,
Speaker 3: or the FBI or the president or Katy Perry. None
Speaker 3: of it seemed to work. But then Lindsay heard from
Speaker 3: an investigative journalist, a reporter for the local TV.
Speaker 1: News, and he said somehow he heard about our story
Speaker 1: and he wanted to know if we'd be willing to
Speaker 1: talk with him, you know, to get the media involved.
Speaker 1: And jess and I, I think both of us immediately
Speaker 1: were like, yes, it's been two years of nothing, and
Speaker 1: that's when everything started changing.
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