Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet Your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Bunker, Folks.
Speaker 1: I've now had time post the seventh Congressional hearing on
Speaker 1: the January sixth insurrection to kind of absorb it and
Speaker 1: wanting to lift up some of the things that I
Speaker 1: think we learned that I found the most disturbing, which
Speaker 1: is that for a while now we had continued along
Speaker 1: with the theme that the intel failed, that the intel
Speaker 1: that was provided by the FBI and other agencies just failed,
Speaker 1: and the reality is is that it did not. Those
Speaker 1: alerts were provided to the Trump administration, to the President
Speaker 1: of the United States at that time, and he chose
Speaker 1: to ignore it. Not only did he choose to ignore it,
Speaker 1: but what we learned in the hearing is that there
Speaker 1: was no spontaneity involved on January sixth. This was not
Speaker 1: an event that took place out of heightened rage, and
Speaker 1: it was something that just occurred at a thin air.
Speaker 1: The reality is is that it was orchestrated, It was strategized.
Speaker 1: It was Donald Trump's hail Mary. The last sixty cases
Speaker 1: failed after there was no constitutional loophole that Mark Meadows
Speaker 1: could find that could keep Donald Trump in power, and
Speaker 1: that what he then decided to do, as my guest
Speaker 1: yesterday said Kurt Bardella, was to weaponize his base, to
Speaker 1: hype them up on anti democratic sentiments, on the big lie,
Speaker 1: knowing that they were armed, knowing that they were susceptible
Speaker 1: to his allies, and then point them in the direction
Speaker 1: of the Capitol Building towards his vice president, where they
Speaker 1: would build a gallows, where they would break in, where
Speaker 1: they would kill people and cause irreputable damage to the
Speaker 1: Capitol Building and to our democracy. Donald Trump knew. Not
Speaker 1: only did Donald Trump know he was the architect in chief,
Speaker 1: he surrounded himself with an insular group of idiots like
Speaker 1: Sidney Powell, like Rudy Giuliani and Andrew Giuliani, like Johnny Eastman,
Speaker 1: like the overstock guy, and others who would concoct and
Speaker 1: scheme to keep Donald Trump in power come hell or
Speaker 1: high water. That nobody who would be perceived to be
Speaker 1: the quote unquote adults in the room or those people
Speaker 1: who actually believed in the rule of law and said, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm going to ride with you until we exhaust all
Speaker 1: possibilities here. But once those possibilities have been exhausted. It's
Speaker 1: time for us to move the fuck on. But they
Speaker 1: were the logical ones, I guess. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know how logical you could be to work for four
Speaker 1: years for a petulant toddler and a strong man want
Speaker 1: to be right. But what was clear, and I think
Speaker 1: that what the committee laid out just so brilliantly was
Speaker 1: without the call from Donald Trump to go to the
Speaker 1: Capitol Building, the insurrection would not have happened. Without Donald
Speaker 1: Trump calling off his weapon after he unleashed them on
Speaker 1: the Capitol Building, Folks, wouldn't have stayed four hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty seven minutes while the president was doing god knows what.
Speaker 1: The question that continues to be asked, however, as we
Speaker 1: are learning more and more, and next week will be
Speaker 1: the eighth Congressional hearing on the January sixth insurrection, is
Speaker 1: that how much evidence is needed? How much more evidence
Speaker 1: is needed in order to indict Donald Trump and all
Speaker 1: of his co conspirators who concocted a plan to overthrow
Speaker 1: the government and keep Donald Trump in power. I mean, folks,
Speaker 1: when we saw that draft executive order, my god, it
Speaker 1: should have scared the shit out of every single American,
Speaker 1: that this president if not for certain people that maintained control,
Speaker 1: or said, the entire Department of Justice is going to
Speaker 1: quit right, That Donald Trump would have had the military
Speaker 1: sea's voting machines, That Donald Trump would have declared martial law.
Speaker 1: That Donald Trump would have gone above and beyond what
Speaker 1: has ever been done in this country, in this democracy,
Speaker 1: and turn it upside down. He knew that he lost,
Speaker 1: He was told on multiple occasions that he lost. But
Speaker 1: he didn't care, and neither did those very dangerous people
Speaker 1: around him. And the question that keeps being asked is,
Speaker 1: while we've never indicted a president before, a former president
Speaker 1: of the United States, and what damage will that do
Speaker 1: to the country? What damage will holding a criminal responsible
Speaker 1: for disrupting our democracy? What damage will that due to
Speaker 1: the country. Let me just tell you. Let's all take
Speaker 1: an imagination trip right now. Let me do my best
Speaker 1: Sophia from the Golden Girls and picture it. The United
Speaker 1: States twenty twenty four. Joe Biden is a Democratic nominee.
Speaker 1: He is up against not Donald Trump, but Rhonda Santis.
Speaker 1: Rhonda Santis becomes the newly elected president of the United
Speaker 1: States and devoid accountability from the Trump administration desires. He's
Speaker 1: going to declare martial law for pretty much every goddamn thing.
Speaker 1: He's going to throw queer people in jail, that he's
Speaker 1: gonna rewrite the Constitution and say that people no longer
Speaker 1: have the right to assemble, but only white people have
Speaker 1: the right to assemble, and that everyone else should be
Speaker 1: deemed a political threat. And you will see not a
Speaker 1: plucking of our rights. As Madeleine Albright said about fascism,
Speaker 1: is that you don't notice because you pluck a chicken
Speaker 1: one feather at a time, right, And that is exactly
Speaker 1: what the Trump administration and trump Is m has been
Speaker 1: doing to our democracy, but without any guardrails, without any responsibility,
Speaker 1: without any accountability. The next president who is of the
Speaker 1: trump is ideology will be fucking worse. Think about what
Speaker 1: message it sends to the white supremaist organizations and that
Speaker 1: their leader will never be held accountable. Well, they'll know that,
Speaker 1: whether it's Trump or de Santists, they have friends in
Speaker 1: the White House. So what does that say to the
Speaker 1: rule of law on a day to day basis? And
Speaker 1: the danger that bipoc people, black, Indigenous people of color, women,
Speaker 1: queer people people who worship a non Christian god, What
Speaker 1: is it safe for their safety? If, again, there is
Speaker 1: no accountability, it means that it is fucking a free
Speaker 1: for all in terms of violence, in terms of terrorism
Speaker 1: in this country. Oh not to mention that prior to
Speaker 1: all of this happening in twenty twenty four and twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five, the Supreme Court gave everybody a fucking right
Speaker 1: to conceal and carry. So the amount of shootouts, the
Speaker 1: amount of death right that we will see is crazy.
Speaker 1: So when the question is continually being asked to legal
Speaker 1: analysts about you know, whether or not accountability should be
Speaker 1: had for Donald Trump or should be sought after for
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, you have no fucking choice. It is either
Speaker 1: you hauld Donald Trump and all of his sycophants accountable,
Speaker 1: or you hand over the keys to our democracy to
Speaker 1: the white supremacist fascist party formerly known as the Republican Party.
Speaker 1: Those are the choices that we have. And it's not
Speaker 1: a real fucking choice. The amount of evidence that has
Speaker 1: been laid out thus far by this committee. And I
Speaker 1: know that lawyers love to say, well, it's not evidence,
Speaker 1: it's information, blah blah. I don't give a fuck. The
Speaker 1: fact of the matter is is that the story that
Speaker 1: is being told and by Donald Trump's own people, in
Speaker 1: their own voices, show a man that was willing to
Speaker 1: do anything, in everything in order to hold onto power.
Speaker 1: Legal system be damned, democracy be damned, and he will
Speaker 1: do it again. And without that sense of fear of
Speaker 1: the possibility of going to federal prison for crimes for
Speaker 1: treason against this country. You have just made it open
Speaker 1: season on the executive branch and on the presidency. Moving forward, So, friends,
Speaker 1: the Justice Department, I'm not saying that the job in
Speaker 1: front of them is easy, but I'm saying that they
Speaker 1: need to fucking do it. Coming up next my conversation
Speaker 1: with our friend, the good good doctor, doctor Jonathan Matzel,
Speaker 1: to bring us the latest on where we are with
Speaker 1: the two new variants that have taken over in the
Speaker 1: United States and also around the world BA four and
Speaker 1: BA five, and what it is that we need to
Speaker 1: be careful of and what it is that we need
Speaker 1: to pay attention to in the coming months. In this conversation,
Speaker 1: Jonathan lays out in no uncertain terms that we are
Speaker 1: headed towards a very dangerous fall, which means a very
Speaker 1: dangerous winter and are we prepared this time around in
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Speaker 1: insane things that are happening in this country. And Jonathan,
Speaker 1: I know that you had not had an opportunity at
Speaker 1: this point of the recording to watch the seventh hearing
Speaker 1: from the January sixth Committee. But there is one thing
Speaker 1: that I think that you can speak to and have
Speaker 1: a conversation about, which is regard which is with regard
Speaker 1: to the testimony of two men who sat before the committee,
Speaker 1: one of them being his name right, because he's the
Speaker 1: one that I want to discuss. Jason van Tottenhove Taytenhof,
Speaker 1: who is a former Proud Boy um was a part
Speaker 1: of the Proud Boys for quite some time he left.
Speaker 1: He left several years ago, well before the insurrection. But
Speaker 1: the purpose of him sitting before the committee and providing
Speaker 1: testimony was to paint the picture of who the Proud
Speaker 1: Boys are, what their vision of America is, and how
Speaker 1: it is a para militia organization, that it is a
Speaker 1: terrorist group, and that h Stuart Rhodes, the man who
Speaker 1: is now under indictment for seditious conspiracy with the to
Speaker 1: January six has a white supremacist, white evangelical, Christian fundamentalist
Speaker 1: vision of America. And what Tottenhofe said is that he said,
Speaker 1: let us not mince words here anymore, because I think
Speaker 1: that it's important for the American people to know the truth.
Speaker 1: What happened on January sixth, he said, was an attempt
Speaker 1: at an armed revolution. That is the desire of the
Speaker 1: Proud Boys, It is the desire of the oath Keepers,
Speaker 1: and it was upholded right and given space by the
Speaker 1: former president of the United States. I want you in
Speaker 1: your travels, in the work that you've done around this
Speaker 1: country with the writing of your book, Dying of Whiteness,
Speaker 1: but also how you speak about gun violence and the
Speaker 1: kind of merging the intersection of these ideologies. He was
Speaker 1: trying to sound an alarm about how we are talking
Speaker 1: about this, So how does that land for you? And
Speaker 1: hearing that Jason van Tottenhove is just like, let's stop
Speaker 1: mincing words. Do you feel like we continue to mince
Speaker 1: words about the danger that these groups and these ideologies
Speaker 1: are causing. Well, hey, everybody, and you're right, Danielle. So
Speaker 1: I'm just coming in from the airport. I've been flying,
Speaker 1: so I met. I was in the air for the
Speaker 1: hearing today, so I've read about it a little bit
Speaker 1: and I much just say about the experience of flying
Speaker 1: right now, which we can talk about later. Apparently flying
Speaker 1: with COVID as your travel companion is all the rage
Speaker 1: this summer and so but anyway, we'll talk about that later.
Speaker 1: But I would just say I think a couple of
Speaker 1: things important have happened over the course of the past
Speaker 1: couple of days. I mean, one is, of course, that
Speaker 1: when you hear about people who are from extremist groups
Speaker 1: who are not in the extremist groups anymore, they're representing
Speaker 1: people who had the conscious to leave I think a
Speaker 1: lot of times, but the people whom the people who
Speaker 1: are still in the groups who are growing and festering
Speaker 1: and all those kind of things that that's really the
Speaker 1: people you have to worry about, right So I would
Speaker 1: love to hear from active you know, three percentage right
Speaker 1: now and just honestly hear what they're what they're thinking,
Speaker 1: and you know, because I would just bet that many
Speaker 1: people in the in these groups don't share this level
Speaker 1: of concern because they feel very guided by the goal
Speaker 1: of fomenting violence or overturning the election or overturning the government.
Speaker 1: And so I think these these threats are real. But
Speaker 1: the other thing I think is important to note is
Speaker 1: that there was a poll released this morning by the
Speaker 1: New York Times. And I don't know how much faith
Speaker 1: you know, you put in polls right now, but some
Speaker 1: of these kind of polls not who you're going to
Speaker 1: vote for, but these opinion polls, they're much more accurate
Speaker 1: than predicting elections. And it said that at least fifty
Speaker 1: percent of Republicans are ready to get rid of Trump,
Speaker 1: at least at this point. Now. Of course, right now
Speaker 1: it's not like, oh, it's Trump or Joe Biden, so
Speaker 1: who knows. It's not like, oh, they're going to vote
Speaker 1: for Democrats. But I would say that I think that
Speaker 1: the message of the January six Committee does seem to
Speaker 1: be getting through pretty considerably to a number of people
Speaker 1: who were paying attention. And I think what was interesting
Speaker 1: for me about that poll this morning was that people
Speaker 1: were saying, look, I agree, I'm a Republican. I agree
Speaker 1: with the stuff, but I'm just tired of the circus.
Speaker 1: And so I do think that the January sixth Committee,
Speaker 1: I mean, we'll have to see where it leads right now,
Speaker 1: is doing a lot of damage on Trump and he
Speaker 1: can't really respond. He can't really respond because nobody even
Speaker 1: knows what the name of his social media app is
Speaker 1: and so and so I think that really the danger
Speaker 1: for the Democrats right now. I was thinking about this
Speaker 1: this morning was let's just say the January States Committee
Speaker 1: is effective enough that it actually knocks Trump off his
Speaker 1: perch and that void is filled by de Santists or
Speaker 1: Tom Cotton, somebody who's like much smoother and smarter, and
Speaker 1: the Democrats, really, you're going to run Joe Biden against
Speaker 1: one of those guys like that would not that would
Speaker 1: not go well. And so I think the issue here
Speaker 1: isn't part about waking up America, which I'm happy to
Speaker 1: talk about. But I also think there's an urgent call
Speaker 1: for Democrats to I mean, the Democrats, even when they're
Speaker 1: writing the show here, they seem to be getting caught
Speaker 1: flat footed and everything. And I think, you know, what's
Speaker 1: the plan if this ends up leading to Trump not
Speaker 1: running in the election, for example, which seems like a
Speaker 1: really real possibility. So my biggest fear, beside the three
Speaker 1: percentage and all that, which is super scary, is that
Speaker 1: the Democrats knock off Trump, but they don't have a
Speaker 1: plan and it's just Biden against one of those guys. Well,
Speaker 1: I think that the reality here is, you know, I
Speaker 1: believe that the point of the January sixth Committee is
Speaker 1: to make the case to the American people that so
Speaker 1: much damage to our institutions, to our agencies, to our
Speaker 1: democracy was done, and it wasn't by accident. You know.
Speaker 1: One of the things that I had tweeted was why
Speaker 1: is it that white people are so susceptible to being
Speaker 1: quote swept away into violence? And that's a real you know,
Speaker 1: that's a real question, a question that your book sought
Speaker 1: to answer. Right, It's like, why are you willing to
Speaker 1: literally die for whiteness. And you know, I don't believe
Speaker 1: that the Committee is necessarily setting up a case to
Speaker 1: negate Trumps m as they are to negate Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: So your question, I think is true, and I've been
Speaker 1: this is what keeps me up at night, frankly, which
Speaker 1: is the fact of a seventy nine year old Joe
Speaker 1: Biden going up against a late forty something year old
Speaker 1: or fifty something year old the santis who is going
Speaker 1: to who looks at this point to be the error
Speaker 1: point apparent um for twenty twenty four. And what I've
Speaker 1: always said is that Donald Trump is what is more
Speaker 1: dangerous than Donald Trump is somebody who has shares his
Speaker 1: ideology but understands the law and how to maneuver and
Speaker 1: how to maneuver it. That's what the danger is. And
Speaker 1: so you know, the thing though about where we are
Speaker 1: this fraught time in our country is that while fifty
Speaker 1: percent of people Republicans may be willing to get rid
Speaker 1: of Donald Trump, the question for you, Jonathan, is that
Speaker 1: what is it what is it going to take for
Speaker 1: them to also say that they want to get rid
Speaker 1: of Trumpism when Trumpism is what is winning right now,
Speaker 1: right no, no, that I mean, that's really the issue,
Speaker 1: and that that that's kind of the point I'm making
Speaker 1: is and you're making also, is that what comes after
Speaker 1: Trump is something you know, Trump is like Cyborg one
Speaker 1: point zero, but then you get like the actual flesh
Speaker 1: and blood terminator next or something. And so I just
Speaker 1: think that what comes next is going to be a
Speaker 1: far more formable challenge and the I don't like the
Speaker 1: Democrats like our strategy is at this point. Maybe it'll
Speaker 1: coalesce more when and I'm sure there's people who are
Speaker 1: really smart working on this, but I would just say
Speaker 1: that the response to the Supreme Court decisions about abortion
Speaker 1: and guns have been for me so very disappointing, and
Speaker 1: so it just feels like we're just we're reacting, We're
Speaker 1: not going on offense, We're not doing anything. And I
Speaker 1: think that is that shit's not going to fly against
Speaker 1: somebody liked a Santas or Cotton or something who are
Speaker 1: just like robot machines, who are going to come in
Speaker 1: and know the law and no very loophole. So I
Speaker 1: don't know, I mean, maybe I'm sure there's a plan
Speaker 1: for this, we just don't know it yet. I mean
Speaker 1: let's hope that's the case. I don't mean let's I mean, okay,
Speaker 1: I know that you like to be on you know,
Speaker 1: the up and up and to be optimistic. Well, what
Speaker 1: we have seen is that there's no fucking plan, right.
Speaker 1: Like the reason why you started off saying that they
Speaker 1: continue to get caught flat footed is because they continued
Speaker 1: to be surprised by just how violent, how devious, um,
Speaker 1: and how against the law and the constitution this Republican
Speaker 1: Party is. And I guess I mean, I mean, forget
Speaker 1: for against January sixth, they had forty years to know
Speaker 1: that abortion was going to get a return, thank you, right, Um,
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't like any big surprise in the gun case.
Speaker 1: Like I mean, you and I were out here were
Speaker 1: screaming about the gun case. Um, But the response to
Speaker 1: the gun case. I mean I watched that press commerce
Speaker 1: their day. I mean, I know their hands are tied
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, but they'ren't that tied. And so
Speaker 1: I don't know. And so I guess the what I
Speaker 1: met by a plan, I'll just be clear, was there
Speaker 1: was another New York Times poll that showed that ninety
Speaker 1: percent of people thirty and under, Yeah, and So what
Speaker 1: I meant by there probably as a plan is maybe
Speaker 1: there's a plan that after the midterms, you know, the
Speaker 1: least what she'd say is I'm not decided if I'm
Speaker 1: running again, but I think I encourage everybody who wants
Speaker 1: to run to run, or is something that gives the
Speaker 1: okay for people to run, like you know, that's that's
Speaker 1: the least that could happen. I mean, this will and
Speaker 1: it will never happen because people do not, whether for
Speaker 1: good or for for wrong, never acquiesced their power that
Speaker 1: they currently have as a way to lay the path
Speaker 1: for other people. And I think that it would take
Speaker 1: it would take, you know, more than the polling, but
Speaker 1: a considerable like I don't even know push by Democrats
Speaker 1: within his inner circle to say you are not going
Speaker 1: to win, and so we still have the opportunity to
Speaker 1: hold this country. And the bet, the best bet is
Speaker 1: for actually the American people to feel like they can
Speaker 1: roll the dice on their leadership as opposed to you
Speaker 1: being the twenty twenty four nominee. A parent, I mean,
Speaker 1: the question, though, is is there any benefit to saying
Speaker 1: something like that before the mid term. I'm betting they
Speaker 1: wait until left for the mid term. So it's like,
Speaker 1: I just don't think it would be wise by their calculus.
Speaker 1: Who knows to come out right now and say I'm
Speaker 1: not running again. So I guess when I said that,
Speaker 1: maybe there's a plan, that was what I was thinking,
Speaker 1: is maybe there's a plan, they're just not doing it now.
Speaker 1: So I just don't want to. I don't want to
Speaker 1: have everybody jump on Biden's back. When we elected the guy,
Speaker 1: and if he's I mean, I mean, if he's the nominee,
Speaker 1: we're supporting him. But when we say that we elected
Speaker 1: the guy, we didn't really have a choice, right, Like
Speaker 1: we had a choice, we had a we had a choice,
Speaker 1: And Jim Clyburn said, well, South Carolina is behind Joe Biden,
Speaker 1: and so the rest of the rest of us got
Speaker 1: behind Joe Biden because he declared him as such and
Speaker 1: said he's the only person that could beat Trump, and
Speaker 1: he did be Trump. But we're saying that, like you
Speaker 1: beat him this time around. But these iterations of Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: these next phases, like you use the terminator, these next
Speaker 1: phases of Donald Trump, he is not prepared to beat
Speaker 1: And we've seen that time and you know, time and
Speaker 1: time again. Um to switch gears now to go back
Speaker 1: to our other disaster, which is the pandemic that we
Speaker 1: are continuing to live in. And by the way, we
Speaker 1: still haven't talked about monkey pox on this show, but
Speaker 1: I'll wait for that. Okay, that's coming next. But um,
Speaker 1: you know, I will say this that I have noticed
Speaker 1: in the past. I guess week and a half, Jonathan,
Speaker 1: since you raised the alarm on this show once again
Speaker 1: that said, hey, guys, maybe in the next two weeks
Speaker 1: you want to wear masks indoors because I just came
Speaker 1: from Scandinavia and the wave is coming right now. Also,
Speaker 1: sorry you are you are a good, good prophet to
Speaker 1: us what was coming, and it came faster than the
Speaker 1: two weeks that you had actually anticipated. So the media
Speaker 1: now has picked up and is hip to the fact that,
Speaker 1: guess what, COVID's not done. And not only is it
Speaker 1: not done, but these next two variants are worse than
Speaker 1: the first one because they're more contagious and are attacking
Speaker 1: the lower lung. So tell us about you know what
Speaker 1: more you were hearing about what is being done and
Speaker 1: also about your travels because you just said that COVID
Speaker 1: nineteen is essentially our copilot. So I just flew in
Speaker 1: from Nashville, and boy, and my arms tired. And I
Speaker 1: would say that I was one of three people wearing
Speaker 1: a mask on the flight, and there were people who
Speaker 1: were just hacking up on the flight. So I put
Speaker 1: on a third mask. And I just had COVID two
Speaker 1: weeks ago. Like I'm relatively safe compared to other people.
Speaker 1: But there's just nobody in charge right now, and I
Speaker 1: stand why, like nobody would do it anyway, But I
Speaker 1: will say that we had we had the luxury of
Speaker 1: having the Big O Oscar robertson the O micron straight stage.
Speaker 1: And the difference between everything that came before the Big
Speaker 1: O and the Big O was that the Big O
Speaker 1: didn't kill people as much because it was largely an
Speaker 1: upper respiratory infection, and so even though people were catching it,
Speaker 1: remember everybody got it less December. Everybody got it right.
Speaker 1: But the thing is I didn't kill anywhere near as
Speaker 1: many people because it didn't go in the lower lungs,
Speaker 1: which is where you get your oxygen, ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 1: and so remember that earlier versions of COVID put ended
Speaker 1: up people, tons of people on ventilators in hospitals because
Speaker 1: their lungs were infected. And so so we've had this
Speaker 1: omicron you know, series of BA one, two, three, where
Speaker 1: it's just like wave after wave, which was just like
Speaker 1: a cold, you know, a very bad cold, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden four and five. And I I noticed
Speaker 1: this in myself when I got COVID two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: I'm still not totally over it. But also like people
Speaker 1: I was with got really sick, like ended up like
Speaker 1: having bilateral pneumonia on chess Sex race and something. I
Speaker 1: started looking at the data and looking at data from
Speaker 1: other countries, and it turns out there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people on ventilators right now, which has not been the
Speaker 1: case for us for almost year. And so so as
Speaker 1: this ramps up, just to be honest, I mean again
Speaker 1: not to be so alarmous, but I am very worried
Speaker 1: about the fall because as this thing it's got a
Speaker 1: it's got an infection ratio that is supposedly eighteen, which
Speaker 1: is higher than smallpox or measles or anything we know.
Speaker 1: And so it's it's attacking along and it's got an
Speaker 1: infection ratio that's pretty much higher than most pathogens that
Speaker 1: you and I have ever heard of, and so this
Speaker 1: fall could get kind of bad, and so I don't know.
Speaker 1: I would not throw away my mask anybody. I would
Speaker 1: be quite careful. And the other thing is if the
Speaker 1: infection ratio was eighteen. I mean, I love afropunk, as
Speaker 1: you know, I live for that. But crowded outdoor places
Speaker 1: are going to be a little risky too, because the
Speaker 1: initial infection ratio was three, you know, last year, and
Speaker 1: now it's eighteen and that's how many people everybody with
Speaker 1: it in facts, and so even crowded outdoor spaces are
Speaker 1: not totally safe right now. So I would I would
Speaker 1: be I would go back to kind of carefulish right now. Honestly. Thankfully,
Speaker 1: I think they're working on a booster that is going
Speaker 1: to have these four and five strains. It can't come
Speaker 1: sooner enough, honestly, because I feel like we're going to
Speaker 1: be in this way verse quite a while. But can
Speaker 1: you just cant Let me just ask a question, because
Speaker 1: I want people to be able to follow what you're saying.
Speaker 1: Can you explain than what the infection rate was for
Speaker 1: let's say delta omicron and now these BA four NBA five,
Speaker 1: So people can understand. Yeah, like the yeah, the rise,
Speaker 1: the first COVID that we all freaked out about. Alpha,
Speaker 1: Let's please come back someday. Um, you had to be
Speaker 1: in an enclosed space for ten to fifteen minutes with somebody.
Speaker 1: It only went very It was a very dense particle,
Speaker 1: so it only went six feet roughly. That's why we
Speaker 1: had social distancing. So, believe it or not, even though nobody,
Speaker 1: none of us, we were still like, you know, licking
Speaker 1: subway poles and French kissing strangers and stuff like that
Speaker 1: in the old days. But I would say that the
Speaker 1: original coronavirus, compared to what we have now, was really
Speaker 1: hard to catch. I mean it was easy to catch
Speaker 1: because it was because we didn't know it, and we
Speaker 1: didn't know we didn't Yeah, yeah, but now this thing
Speaker 1: shoots across the room, is lighter than anything. It You
Speaker 1: can get infected by literally just taking your mask off
Speaker 1: for a minute. That's how quickly it infects. It's much
Speaker 1: much better infecting. And so people who have this the
Speaker 1: original COVID, one person would infect another two people or
Speaker 1: three people. Now everybody's got it is infecting eighteen people.
Speaker 1: And so that's because it just spreads so much easier.
Speaker 1: There's much more of it in the air, and when
Speaker 1: it's living in people's lungs, they're also coughing it, which
Speaker 1: makes it in the air. So it's just it's a
Speaker 1: good time to have some good masks on hand, I
Speaker 1: would say, and to think about just being conservative for
Speaker 1: a while here. I mean. The other important thing to
Speaker 1: note is that this new variant evades immunity from people
Speaker 1: who have had COVID before, and so the field of
Speaker 1: people and also people who are vaccinated for the most part,
Speaker 1: so it's basically like we're starting over a little bit.
Speaker 1: So the reason I think this this surge is going
Speaker 1: to last for a while is it's not like there's
Speaker 1: a pool of people who have had BA four and
Speaker 1: BA five who were going to be the blockades the
Speaker 1: you know. Basically, COVID is just starting on all over
Speaker 1: with us in a way, and so that's why I
Speaker 1: think this thing is going to be with us for
Speaker 1: a while. And again, the fall is going to be
Speaker 1: pretty intense here, especially if this new lung version then
Speaker 1: mutates again. So it's it's going to be a time
Speaker 1: to kind of hold onto your hat again. I know.
Speaker 1: I teach college and my own employer is saying, Oh,
Speaker 1: we're just going back normal. But I'm like, tell me
Speaker 1: in a month. I mean, I think I'm sure we're
Speaker 1: going to go back, but I guarantee you we're going
Speaker 1: to be having masks in the classroom again. Well, Jonathan,
Speaker 1: you're always the bearer of good news, and I will
Speaker 1: tell phone, but this is this is kind of what
Speaker 1: I want to say to folks. We've been having these
Speaker 1: conversations for well over two years now, and there has
Speaker 1: not been a time when Jonathan has warned each and
Speaker 1: every single listener here that a wave is coming, and
Speaker 1: a wave not com that it's going to be bad,
Speaker 1: and it not be as bad as you predict. And
Speaker 1: so I say that, uh, you know, tongue in cheek
Speaker 1: about the bearer of bad news, but you are the warning.
Speaker 1: You are the alert that goes off that reminds people,
Speaker 1: oh shit. If Jonathan says that it's going to get bad,
Speaker 1: and he has been right all of this time, then
Speaker 1: listen to you now, Jonathan Metzel. As always, I appreciate you,
Speaker 1: Stay safe, stay healthy. We'll get through. Don't forget We're
Speaker 1: going to get through this one day. You know, it's
Speaker 1: Dan Winkle, I'm going to say one more depressing thing
Speaker 1: for people, just to suppo a lot of people. Just
Speaker 1: one team ny Moore thing, which is the issue with
Speaker 1: with a virus in your lungs is that people are
Speaker 1: going to need to be hospitalized and be on a respirator.
Speaker 1: And so, just to repeat the point that we made
Speaker 1: a year ago, you don't want to get sick when
Speaker 1: other people are sick. That's another reason to kind of
Speaker 1: play it safe right now, because then hospitals fill up,
Speaker 1: and beds fill up, and wards fill up, and respirators,
Speaker 1: you know, ventilators fill up and stuff. So I would
Speaker 1: just say now is a time. I mean, it's hard
Speaker 1: because it's summer, but I would just say nothing else.
Speaker 1: Just everybody stay on top of the science. Really you
Speaker 1: can just follow you know, the people on Twitter who
Speaker 1: are trustworthy, I think. But now is a time to like,
Speaker 1: you know, just to play it safe. I would say,
Speaker 1: all right, Jonathan, and folks listen to Jonathan, play it safe.
Speaker 1: Don't throw away your masks, put your masks on, and
Speaker 1: don't think that you were one hundred percent safe at
Speaker 1: these crowded outdoor concerts, festivals, events that are happening because
Speaker 1: we're talking about a different difference in particle size, a
Speaker 1: difference in reach, and a different area of infection. So
Speaker 1: again we are starting from scratch, not necessarily scratch, because
Speaker 1: we have the information that will keep us safe. It's
Speaker 1: whether or not we choose to use it. Jonathan, as always,
Speaker 1: thank you so much and we will see you next week.
Speaker 1: Take everybody that is it for me today, dear friends
Speaker 1: on Woke FP as always, power to the people and
Speaker 1: to all the people. Power, get woke and stay woke
Speaker 1: as fuck.