WEBVTT - COVID Groundhog Day 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:14.319 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:19.599 Meet Your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Bunker, Folks. 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:25.599 I've now had time post the seventh Congressional hearing on 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:30.760 the January sixth insurrection to kind of absorb it and 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:34.440 wanting to lift up some of the things that I 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:40.120 think we learned that I found the most disturbing, which 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:44.800 is that for a while now we had continued along 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:49.760 with the theme that the intel failed, that the intel 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:55.520 that was provided by the FBI and other agencies just failed, 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:59.240 and the reality is is that it did not. Those 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:04.680 alerts were provided to the Trump administration, to the President 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:08.440 of the United States at that time, and he chose 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:11.959 to ignore it. Not only did he choose to ignore it, 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:16.440 but what we learned in the hearing is that there 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:22.040 was no spontaneity involved on January sixth. This was not 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:27.319 an event that took place out of heightened rage, and 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:33.320 it was something that just occurred at a thin air. 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:38.360 The reality is is that it was orchestrated, It was strategized. 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:44.880 It was Donald Trump's hail Mary. The last sixty cases 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:50.560 failed after there was no constitutional loophole that Mark Meadows 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:55.280 could find that could keep Donald Trump in power, and 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:58.680 that what he then decided to do, as my guest 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:05.560 yesterday said Kurt Bardella, was to weaponize his base, to 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:13.919 hype them up on anti democratic sentiments, on the big lie, 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:18.680 knowing that they were armed, knowing that they were susceptible 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:23.679 to his allies, and then point them in the direction 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:27.320 of the Capitol Building towards his vice president, where they 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:29.880 would build a gallows, where they would break in, where 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:34.800 they would kill people and cause irreputable damage to the 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:40.240 Capitol Building and to our democracy. Donald Trump knew. Not 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:44.120 only did Donald Trump know he was the architect in chief, 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:50.600 he surrounded himself with an insular group of idiots like 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:56.000 Sidney Powell, like Rudy Giuliani and Andrew Giuliani, like Johnny Eastman, 0:02:56.200 --> 0:03:02.320 like the overstock guy, and others who would concoct and 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:07.200 scheme to keep Donald Trump in power come hell or 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:11.240 high water. That nobody who would be perceived to be 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:15.080 the quote unquote adults in the room or those people 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:18.519 who actually believed in the rule of law and said, Okay, 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:21.040 I'm going to ride with you until we exhaust all 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:25.440 possibilities here. But once those possibilities have been exhausted. It's 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:28.680 time for us to move the fuck on. But they 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:33.040 were the logical ones, I guess. I mean, I don't 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:36.000 know how logical you could be to work for four 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:40.840 years for a petulant toddler and a strong man want 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:45.280 to be right. But what was clear, and I think 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:50.760 that what the committee laid out just so brilliantly was 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:55.560 without the call from Donald Trump to go to the 0:03:55.640 --> 0:04:01.160 Capitol Building, the insurrection would not have happened. Without Donald 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:06.920 Trump calling off his weapon after he unleashed them on 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:11.520 the Capitol Building, Folks, wouldn't have stayed four hundred and 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:14.800 eighty seven minutes while the president was doing god knows what. 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:21.320 The question that continues to be asked, however, as we 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:24.920 are learning more and more, and next week will be 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:30.880 the eighth Congressional hearing on the January sixth insurrection, is 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:37.920 that how much evidence is needed? How much more evidence 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:44.000 is needed in order to indict Donald Trump and all 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:48.720 of his co conspirators who concocted a plan to overthrow 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:52.919 the government and keep Donald Trump in power. I mean, folks, 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:58.359 when we saw that draft executive order, my god, it 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:02.120 should have scared the shit out of every single American, 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:10.760 that this president if not for certain people that maintained control, 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:13.840 or said, the entire Department of Justice is going to 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:19.479 quit right, That Donald Trump would have had the military 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:23.239 sea's voting machines, That Donald Trump would have declared martial law. 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:26.960 That Donald Trump would have gone above and beyond what 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:30.440 has ever been done in this country, in this democracy, 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:36.120 and turn it upside down. He knew that he lost, 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:40.880 He was told on multiple occasions that he lost. But 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:44.279 he didn't care, and neither did those very dangerous people 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:46.960 around him. And the question that keeps being asked is, 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:50.520 while we've never indicted a president before, a former president 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:53.520 of the United States, and what damage will that do 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:58.520 to the country? What damage will holding a criminal responsible 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:06.080 for disrupting our democracy? What damage will that due to 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:09.080 the country. Let me just tell you. Let's all take 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:12.680 an imagination trip right now. Let me do my best 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:16.640 Sophia from the Golden Girls and picture it. The United 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:23.240 States twenty twenty four. Joe Biden is a Democratic nominee. 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:26.640 He is up against not Donald Trump, but Rhonda Santis. 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:31.720 Rhonda Santis becomes the newly elected president of the United 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:37.599 States and devoid accountability from the Trump administration desires. He's 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:40.640 going to declare martial law for pretty much every goddamn thing. 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:43.400 He's going to throw queer people in jail, that he's 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:47.599 gonna rewrite the Constitution and say that people no longer 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:49.800 have the right to assemble, but only white people have 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:54.200 the right to assemble, and that everyone else should be 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:58.880 deemed a political threat. And you will see not a 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:03.520 plucking of our rights. As Madeleine Albright said about fascism, 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:07.559 is that you don't notice because you pluck a chicken 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:12.080 one feather at a time, right, And that is exactly 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:15.200 what the Trump administration and trump Is m has been 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:21.880 doing to our democracy, but without any guardrails, without any responsibility, 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:27.000 without any accountability. The next president who is of the 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:33.560 trump is ideology will be fucking worse. Think about what 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:37.960 message it sends to the white supremaist organizations and that 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:41.680 their leader will never be held accountable. Well, they'll know that, 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:43.920 whether it's Trump or de Santists, they have friends in 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:46.480 the White House. So what does that say to the 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:48.560 rule of law on a day to day basis? And 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:53.960 the danger that bipoc people, black, Indigenous people of color, women, 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:59.720 queer people people who worship a non Christian god, What 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:04.200 is it safe for their safety? If, again, there is 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:07.960 no accountability, it means that it is fucking a free 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:12.000 for all in terms of violence, in terms of terrorism 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:15.920 in this country. Oh not to mention that prior to 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:18.160 all of this happening in twenty twenty four and twenty 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:21.320 twenty five, the Supreme Court gave everybody a fucking right 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:25.320 to conceal and carry. So the amount of shootouts, the 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:29.760 amount of death right that we will see is crazy. 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:36.440 So when the question is continually being asked to legal 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:44.640 analysts about you know, whether or not accountability should be 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:47.360 had for Donald Trump or should be sought after for 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:52.760 Donald Trump, you have no fucking choice. It is either 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:56.439 you hauld Donald Trump and all of his sycophants accountable, 0:08:57.320 --> 0:09:00.559 or you hand over the keys to our democracy to 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:04.960 the white supremacist fascist party formerly known as the Republican Party. 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:09.600 Those are the choices that we have. And it's not 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:14.360 a real fucking choice. The amount of evidence that has 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:17.360 been laid out thus far by this committee. And I 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:20.000 know that lawyers love to say, well, it's not evidence, 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:23.560 it's information, blah blah. I don't give a fuck. The 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:25.520 fact of the matter is is that the story that 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:29.720 is being told and by Donald Trump's own people, in 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:33.680 their own voices, show a man that was willing to 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:36.600 do anything, in everything in order to hold onto power. 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:42.640 Legal system be damned, democracy be damned, and he will 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:48.280 do it again. And without that sense of fear of 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:54.240 the possibility of going to federal prison for crimes for 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:59.320 treason against this country. You have just made it open 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:04.280 season on the executive branch and on the presidency. Moving forward, So, friends, 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:06.520 the Justice Department, I'm not saying that the job in 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:09.520 front of them is easy, but I'm saying that they 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:15.319 need to fucking do it. Coming up next my conversation 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:19.000 with our friend, the good good doctor, doctor Jonathan Matzel, 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:20.880 to bring us the latest on where we are with 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:23.600 the two new variants that have taken over in the 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:26.400 United States and also around the world BA four and 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:29.120 BA five, and what it is that we need to 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:31.120 be careful of and what it is that we need 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:35.120 to pay attention to in the coming months. 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Hey I'm David. 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:05.400 Plots of slates political gabfest. As another election season accelerates, 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:08.000 it can be tricky to sort through all the noise 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:11.160 and the news. Each week on the Gapfest, John Dickerson, 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:14.440 Emily Bathlon and I decipher the headlines, break down the races, 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:17.920 and tell you what issues really matter. We do not 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:21.400 always agree, We definitely do not always agree, but we 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:24.600 always deliver thoughtful debate and we always have a good time. 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:31.320 So subscribe to Slate's Political Gapfest new episodes every Thursday, folks. 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:34.800 As always, I'm always excited and elated when we have 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:38.680 our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metsil joining Woke app 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:42.160 daily to just break down the latest and the most 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:45.720 insane things that are happening in this country. And Jonathan, 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:49.200 I know that you had not had an opportunity at 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:52.400 this point of the recording to watch the seventh hearing 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:57.600 from the January sixth Committee. But there is one thing 0:12:57.600 --> 0:12:59.760 that I think that you can speak to and have 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:03.160 a conversation about, which is regard which is with regard 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:10.199 to the testimony of two men who sat before the committee, 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:15.600 one of them being his name right, because he's the 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:21.040 one that I want to discuss. Jason van Tottenhove Taytenhof, 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:25.800 who is a former Proud Boy um was a part 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:28.600 of the Proud Boys for quite some time he left. 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:31.600 He left several years ago, well before the insurrection. But 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:34.840 the purpose of him sitting before the committee and providing 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:38.200 testimony was to paint the picture of who the Proud 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:43.319 Boys are, what their vision of America is, and how 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:49.000 it is a para militia organization, that it is a 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:54.120 terrorist group, and that h Stuart Rhodes, the man who 0:13:54.280 --> 0:14:00.280 is now under indictment for seditious conspiracy with the to 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:07.439 January six has a white supremacist, white evangelical, Christian fundamentalist 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:14.680 vision of America. And what Tottenhofe said is that he said, 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:18.480 let us not mince words here anymore, because I think 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:20.920 that it's important for the American people to know the truth. 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:26.000 What happened on January sixth, he said, was an attempt 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:29.200 at an armed revolution. That is the desire of the 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:31.840 Proud Boys, It is the desire of the oath Keepers, 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:35.560 and it was upholded right and given space by the 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:39.520 former president of the United States. I want you in 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:43.160 your travels, in the work that you've done around this 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:46.400 country with the writing of your book, Dying of Whiteness, 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:50.160 but also how you speak about gun violence and the 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:57.680 kind of merging the intersection of these ideologies. He was 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:01.320 trying to sound an alarm about how we are talking 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:04.280 about this, So how does that land for you? And 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:08.040 hearing that Jason van Tottenhove is just like, let's stop 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:12.040 mincing words. Do you feel like we continue to mince 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:18.320 words about the danger that these groups and these ideologies 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:24.800 are causing. Well, hey, everybody, and you're right, Danielle. So 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:27.080 I'm just coming in from the airport. I've been flying, 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:30.680 so I met. I was in the air for the 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:32.600 hearing today, so I've read about it a little bit 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:36.240 and I much just say about the experience of flying 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:39.880 right now, which we can talk about later. Apparently flying 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:42.960 with COVID as your travel companion is all the rage 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:46.600 this summer and so but anyway, we'll talk about that later. 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:48.400 But I would just say I think a couple of 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:51.720 things important have happened over the course of the past 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:55.760 couple of days. I mean, one is, of course, that 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:58.480 when you hear about people who are from extremist groups 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:03.080 who are not in the extremist groups anymore, they're representing 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:06.960 people who had the conscious to leave I think a 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:11.800 lot of times, but the people whom the people who 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:15.320 are still in the groups who are growing and festering 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:16.920 and all those kind of things that that's really the 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:19.480 people you have to worry about, right So I would 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:24.080 love to hear from active you know, three percentage right 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:28.440 now and just honestly hear what they're what they're thinking, 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:32.000 and you know, because I would just bet that many 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:34.400 people in the in these groups don't share this level 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:38.440 of concern because they feel very guided by the goal 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:43.400 of fomenting violence or overturning the election or overturning the government. 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:47.160 And so I think these these threats are real. But 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:48.720 the other thing I think is important to note is 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:51.080 that there was a poll released this morning by the 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:53.680 New York Times. And I don't know how much faith 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:55.400 you know, you put in polls right now, but some 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:56.920 of these kind of polls not who you're going to 0:16:57.000 --> 0:16:59.640 vote for, but these opinion polls, they're much more accurate 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:04.280 than predicting elections. And it said that at least fifty 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:06.639 percent of Republicans are ready to get rid of Trump, 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:10.200 at least at this point. Now. Of course, right now 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:13.160 it's not like, oh, it's Trump or Joe Biden, so 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:15.040 who knows. It's not like, oh, they're going to vote 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:17.760 for Democrats. But I would say that I think that 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:20.320 the message of the January six Committee does seem to 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:24.960 be getting through pretty considerably to a number of people 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:26.760 who were paying attention. And I think what was interesting 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:31.800 for me about that poll this morning was that people 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:34.160 were saying, look, I agree, I'm a Republican. I agree 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:36.080 with the stuff, but I'm just tired of the circus. 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:39.640 And so I do think that the January sixth Committee, 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:42.160 I mean, we'll have to see where it leads right now, 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:44.520 is doing a lot of damage on Trump and he 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:49.800 can't really respond. He can't really respond because nobody even 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:52.000 knows what the name of his social media app is 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:56.480 and so and so I think that really the danger 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:58.800 for the Democrats right now. I was thinking about this 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.960 this morning was let's just say the January States Committee 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:05.480 is effective enough that it actually knocks Trump off his 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:12.000 perch and that void is filled by de Santists or 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:16.480 Tom Cotton, somebody who's like much smoother and smarter, and 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:19.520 the Democrats, really, you're going to run Joe Biden against 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:22.000 one of those guys like that would not that would 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:24.800 not go well. And so I think the issue here 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:27.320 isn't part about waking up America, which I'm happy to 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:29.920 talk about. But I also think there's an urgent call 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:34.080 for Democrats to I mean, the Democrats, even when they're 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:36.160 writing the show here, they seem to be getting caught 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:39.760 flat footed and everything. And I think, you know, what's 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:42.679 the plan if this ends up leading to Trump not 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:44.679 running in the election, for example, which seems like a 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:48.760 really real possibility. So my biggest fear, beside the three 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:53.960 percentage and all that, which is super scary, is that 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:56.359 the Democrats knock off Trump, but they don't have a 0:18:56.440 --> 0:18:59.800 plan and it's just Biden against one of those guys. Well, 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:03.240 I think that the reality here is, you know, I 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:06.479 believe that the point of the January sixth Committee is 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:10.720 to make the case to the American people that so 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:13.960 much damage to our institutions, to our agencies, to our 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:17.399 democracy was done, and it wasn't by accident. You know. 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:19.760 One of the things that I had tweeted was why 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:22.120 is it that white people are so susceptible to being 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:25.800 quote swept away into violence? And that's a real you know, 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:29.960 that's a real question, a question that your book sought 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:32.520 to answer. Right, It's like, why are you willing to 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:37.000 literally die for whiteness. And you know, I don't believe 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:41.560 that the Committee is necessarily setting up a case to 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:45.320 negate Trumps m as they are to negate Donald Trump. 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:49.240 So your question, I think is true, and I've been 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:51.960 this is what keeps me up at night, frankly, which 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:54.920 is the fact of a seventy nine year old Joe 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:58.720 Biden going up against a late forty something year old 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:02.680 or fifty something year old the santis who is going 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:05.040 to who looks at this point to be the error 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:08.320 point apparent um for twenty twenty four. And what I've 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:11.480 always said is that Donald Trump is what is more 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:15.600 dangerous than Donald Trump is somebody who has shares his 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:19.320 ideology but understands the law and how to maneuver and 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:21.959 how to maneuver it. That's what the danger is. And 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:26.240 so you know, the thing though about where we are 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:30.200 this fraught time in our country is that while fifty 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:33.080 percent of people Republicans may be willing to get rid 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:35.960 of Donald Trump, the question for you, Jonathan, is that 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:38.919 what is it what is it going to take for 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:40.800 them to also say that they want to get rid 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:43.560 of Trumpism when Trumpism is what is winning right now, 0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:46.240 right no, no, that I mean, that's really the issue, 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:48.480 and that that that's kind of the point I'm making 0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:53.920 is and you're making also, is that what comes after 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:57.600 Trump is something you know, Trump is like Cyborg one 0:20:57.600 --> 0:21:00.919 point zero, but then you get like the actual flesh 0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:04.840 and blood terminator next or something. And so I just 0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:07.000 think that what comes next is going to be a 0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:11.320 far more formable challenge and the I don't like the 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:17.160 Democrats like our strategy is at this point. Maybe it'll 0:21:17.160 --> 0:21:21.080 coalesce more when and I'm sure there's people who are 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:23.640 really smart working on this, but I would just say 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:28.000 that the response to the Supreme Court decisions about abortion 0:21:28.040 --> 0:21:32.520 and guns have been for me so very disappointing, and 0:21:33.800 --> 0:21:37.160 so it just feels like we're just we're reacting, We're 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:39.040 not going on offense, We're not doing anything. And I 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:41.879 think that is that shit's not going to fly against 0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:44.240 somebody liked a Santas or Cotton or something who are 0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:47.000 just like robot machines, who are going to come in 0:21:47.080 --> 0:21:49.840 and know the law and no very loophole. So I 0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:53.320 don't know, I mean, maybe I'm sure there's a plan 0:21:53.400 --> 0:21:54.919 for this, we just don't know it yet. I mean 0:21:54.960 --> 0:21:59.800 let's hope that's the case. I don't mean let's I mean, okay, 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:02.080 I know that you like to be on you know, 0:22:02.160 --> 0:22:05.440 the up and up and to be optimistic. Well, what 0:22:05.480 --> 0:22:08.040 we have seen is that there's no fucking plan, right. 0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:11.080 Like the reason why you started off saying that they 0:22:11.119 --> 0:22:14.320 continue to get caught flat footed is because they continued 0:22:14.320 --> 0:22:18.680 to be surprised by just how violent, how devious, um, 0:22:19.000 --> 0:22:22.720 and how against the law and the constitution this Republican 0:22:22.760 --> 0:22:25.520 Party is. And I guess I mean, I mean, forget 0:22:25.560 --> 0:22:27.879 for against January sixth, they had forty years to know 0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:31.119 that abortion was going to get a return, thank you, right, Um, 0:22:31.119 --> 0:22:33.560 Like it wasn't like any big surprise in the gun case. 0:22:33.640 --> 0:22:35.119 Like I mean, you and I were out here were 0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:37.960 screaming about the gun case. Um, But the response to 0:22:37.960 --> 0:22:40.159 the gun case. I mean I watched that press commerce 0:22:40.200 --> 0:22:41.920 their day. I mean, I know their hands are tied 0:22:41.920 --> 0:22:45.960 and stuff like that, but they'ren't that tied. And so 0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:48.600 I don't know. And so I guess the what I 0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:52.080 met by a plan, I'll just be clear, was there 0:22:52.160 --> 0:22:54.520 was another New York Times poll that showed that ninety 0:22:54.600 --> 0:23:02.040 percent of people thirty and under, Yeah, and So what 0:23:02.160 --> 0:23:04.639 I meant by there probably as a plan is maybe 0:23:04.680 --> 0:23:09.040 there's a plan that after the midterms, you know, the 0:23:09.119 --> 0:23:11.760 least what she'd say is I'm not decided if I'm 0:23:11.800 --> 0:23:14.200 running again, but I think I encourage everybody who wants 0:23:14.200 --> 0:23:16.720 to run to run, or is something that gives the 0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:20.720 okay for people to run, like you know, that's that's 0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:23.800 the least that could happen. I mean, this will and 0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:27.199 it will never happen because people do not, whether for 0:23:27.400 --> 0:23:31.199 good or for for wrong, never acquiesced their power that 0:23:31.240 --> 0:23:34.000 they currently have as a way to lay the path 0:23:34.040 --> 0:23:36.760 for other people. And I think that it would take 0:23:37.000 --> 0:23:39.720 it would take, you know, more than the polling, but 0:23:39.800 --> 0:23:46.240 a considerable like I don't even know push by Democrats 0:23:46.280 --> 0:23:49.600 within his inner circle to say you are not going 0:23:49.680 --> 0:23:52.800 to win, and so we still have the opportunity to 0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:56.679 hold this country. And the bet, the best bet is 0:23:56.680 --> 0:23:59.000 for actually the American people to feel like they can 0:23:59.080 --> 0:24:02.440 roll the dice on their leadership as opposed to you 0:24:02.680 --> 0:24:07.800 being the twenty twenty four nominee. A parent, I mean, 0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:11.280 the question, though, is is there any benefit to saying 0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:14.000 something like that before the mid term. I'm betting they 0:24:14.240 --> 0:24:16.560 wait until left for the mid term. So it's like, 0:24:16.600 --> 0:24:19.760 I just don't think it would be wise by their calculus. 0:24:19.760 --> 0:24:22.360 Who knows to come out right now and say I'm 0:24:22.400 --> 0:24:25.119 not running again. So I guess when I said that, 0:24:25.280 --> 0:24:27.280 maybe there's a plan, that was what I was thinking, 0:24:27.440 --> 0:24:30.000 is maybe there's a plan, they're just not doing it now. 0:24:30.080 --> 0:24:32.320 So I just don't want to. I don't want to 0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:36.920 have everybody jump on Biden's back. When we elected the guy, 0:24:37.080 --> 0:24:40.639 and if he's I mean, I mean, if he's the nominee, 0:24:40.680 --> 0:24:43.040 we're supporting him. But when we say that we elected 0:24:43.040 --> 0:24:45.720 the guy, we didn't really have a choice, right, Like 0:24:46.000 --> 0:24:48.320 we had a choice, we had a we had a choice, 0:24:48.440 --> 0:24:53.959 And Jim Clyburn said, well, South Carolina is behind Joe Biden, 0:24:54.119 --> 0:24:57.000 and so the rest of the rest of us got 0:24:57.040 --> 0:25:00.040 behind Joe Biden because he declared him as such and 0:25:00.240 --> 0:25:02.320 said he's the only person that could beat Trump, and 0:25:02.359 --> 0:25:05.439 he did be Trump. But we're saying that, like you 0:25:05.560 --> 0:25:09.800 beat him this time around. But these iterations of Donald Trump, 0:25:09.880 --> 0:25:13.240 these next phases, like you use the terminator, these next 0:25:13.240 --> 0:25:17.200 phases of Donald Trump, he is not prepared to beat 0:25:17.520 --> 0:25:19.639 And we've seen that time and you know, time and 0:25:19.680 --> 0:25:23.800 time again. Um to switch gears now to go back 0:25:23.840 --> 0:25:26.719 to our other disaster, which is the pandemic that we 0:25:26.760 --> 0:25:28.840 are continuing to live in. And by the way, we 0:25:28.880 --> 0:25:31.080 still haven't talked about monkey pox on this show, but 0:25:31.119 --> 0:25:35.960 I'll wait for that. Okay, that's coming next. But um, 0:25:37.440 --> 0:25:40.280 you know, I will say this that I have noticed 0:25:40.280 --> 0:25:44.000 in the past. I guess week and a half, Jonathan, 0:25:44.359 --> 0:25:46.800 since you raised the alarm on this show once again 0:25:47.119 --> 0:25:49.440 that said, hey, guys, maybe in the next two weeks 0:25:49.480 --> 0:25:51.880 you want to wear masks indoors because I just came 0:25:51.920 --> 0:25:55.960 from Scandinavia and the wave is coming right now. Also, 0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:59.760