1 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,319 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with 2 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: Meet Your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Bunker, Folks. 3 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: I've now had time post the seventh Congressional hearing on 4 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: the January sixth insurrection to kind of absorb it and 5 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: wanting to lift up some of the things that I 6 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: think we learned that I found the most disturbing, which 7 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: is that for a while now we had continued along 8 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: with the theme that the intel failed, that the intel 9 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: that was provided by the FBI and other agencies just failed, 10 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: and the reality is is that it did not. Those 11 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 1: alerts were provided to the Trump administration, to the President 12 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: of the United States at that time, and he chose 13 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: to ignore it. Not only did he choose to ignore it, 14 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: but what we learned in the hearing is that there 15 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 1: was no spontaneity involved on January sixth. This was not 16 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: an event that took place out of heightened rage, and 17 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: it was something that just occurred at a thin air. 18 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: The reality is is that it was orchestrated, It was strategized. 19 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: It was Donald Trump's hail Mary. The last sixty cases 20 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: failed after there was no constitutional loophole that Mark Meadows 21 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: could find that could keep Donald Trump in power, and 22 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: that what he then decided to do, as my guest 23 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: yesterday said Kurt Bardella, was to weaponize his base, to 24 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: hype them up on anti democratic sentiments, on the big lie, 25 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: knowing that they were armed, knowing that they were susceptible 26 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:23,679 Speaker 1: to his allies, and then point them in the direction 27 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: of the Capitol Building towards his vice president, where they 28 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: would build a gallows, where they would break in, where 29 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: they would kill people and cause irreputable damage to the 30 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: Capitol Building and to our democracy. Donald Trump knew. Not 31 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: only did Donald Trump know he was the architect in chief, 32 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: he surrounded himself with an insular group of idiots like 33 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: Sidney Powell, like Rudy Giuliani and Andrew Giuliani, like Johnny Eastman, 34 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: like the overstock guy, and others who would concoct and 35 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: scheme to keep Donald Trump in power come hell or 36 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: high water. That nobody who would be perceived to be 37 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: the quote unquote adults in the room or those people 38 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,519 Speaker 1: who actually believed in the rule of law and said, Okay, 39 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to ride with you until we exhaust all 40 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: possibilities here. But once those possibilities have been exhausted. It's 41 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: time for us to move the fuck on. But they 42 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: were the logical ones, I guess. I mean, I don't 43 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: know how logical you could be to work for four 44 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: years for a petulant toddler and a strong man want 45 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: to be right. But what was clear, and I think 46 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: that what the committee laid out just so brilliantly was 47 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: without the call from Donald Trump to go to the 48 00:03:55,640 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: Capitol Building, the insurrection would not have happened. Without Donald 49 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: Trump calling off his weapon after he unleashed them on 50 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: the Capitol Building, Folks, wouldn't have stayed four hundred and 51 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: eighty seven minutes while the president was doing god knows what. 52 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: The question that continues to be asked, however, as we 53 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: are learning more and more, and next week will be 54 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: the eighth Congressional hearing on the January sixth insurrection, is 55 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: that how much evidence is needed? How much more evidence 56 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: is needed in order to indict Donald Trump and all 57 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: of his co conspirators who concocted a plan to overthrow 58 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 1: the government and keep Donald Trump in power. I mean, folks, 59 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 1: when we saw that draft executive order, my god, it 60 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: should have scared the shit out of every single American, 61 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: that this president if not for certain people that maintained control, 62 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 1: or said, the entire Department of Justice is going to 63 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 1: quit right, That Donald Trump would have had the military 64 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:23,239 Speaker 1: sea's voting machines, That Donald Trump would have declared martial law. 65 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: That Donald Trump would have gone above and beyond what 66 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: has ever been done in this country, in this democracy, 67 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: and turn it upside down. He knew that he lost, 68 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: He was told on multiple occasions that he lost. But 69 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: he didn't care, and neither did those very dangerous people 70 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: around him. And the question that keeps being asked is, 71 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: while we've never indicted a president before, a former president 72 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: of the United States, and what damage will that do 73 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: to the country? What damage will holding a criminal responsible 74 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: for disrupting our democracy? What damage will that due to 75 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: the country. Let me just tell you. Let's all take 76 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: an imagination trip right now. Let me do my best 77 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: Sophia from the Golden Girls and picture it. The United 78 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: States twenty twenty four. Joe Biden is a Democratic nominee. 79 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: He is up against not Donald Trump, but Rhonda Santis. 80 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 1: Rhonda Santis becomes the newly elected president of the United 81 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: States and devoid accountability from the Trump administration desires. He's 82 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: going to declare martial law for pretty much every goddamn thing. 83 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: He's going to throw queer people in jail, that he's 84 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: gonna rewrite the Constitution and say that people no longer 85 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: have the right to assemble, but only white people have 86 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: the right to assemble, and that everyone else should be 87 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: deemed a political threat. And you will see not a 88 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: plucking of our rights. As Madeleine Albright said about fascism, 89 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,559 Speaker 1: is that you don't notice because you pluck a chicken 90 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: one feather at a time, right, And that is exactly 91 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: what the Trump administration and trump Is m has been 92 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: doing to our democracy, but without any guardrails, without any responsibility, 93 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: without any accountability. The next president who is of the 94 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: trump is ideology will be fucking worse. Think about what 95 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: message it sends to the white supremaist organizations and that 96 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: their leader will never be held accountable. Well, they'll know that, 97 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: whether it's Trump or de Santists, they have friends in 98 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: the White House. So what does that say to the 99 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: rule of law on a day to day basis? And 100 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: the danger that bipoc people, black, Indigenous people of color, women, 101 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: queer people people who worship a non Christian god, What 102 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: is it safe for their safety? If, again, there is 103 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: no accountability, it means that it is fucking a free 104 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: for all in terms of violence, in terms of terrorism 105 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: in this country. Oh not to mention that prior to 106 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: all of this happening in twenty twenty four and twenty 107 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: twenty five, the Supreme Court gave everybody a fucking right 108 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: to conceal and carry. So the amount of shootouts, the 109 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: amount of death right that we will see is crazy. 110 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: So when the question is continually being asked to legal 111 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: analysts about you know, whether or not accountability should be 112 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: had for Donald Trump or should be sought after for 113 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, you have no fucking choice. It is either 114 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 1: you hauld Donald Trump and all of his sycophants accountable, 115 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,559 Speaker 1: or you hand over the keys to our democracy to 116 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: the white supremacist fascist party formerly known as the Republican Party. 117 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: Those are the choices that we have. And it's not 118 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: a real fucking choice. The amount of evidence that has 119 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: been laid out thus far by this committee. And I 120 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: know that lawyers love to say, well, it's not evidence, 121 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: it's information, blah blah. I don't give a fuck. The 122 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: fact of the matter is is that the story that 123 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: is being told and by Donald Trump's own people, in 124 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: their own voices, show a man that was willing to 125 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: do anything, in everything in order to hold onto power. 126 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: Legal system be damned, democracy be damned, and he will 127 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: do it again. And without that sense of fear of 128 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: the possibility of going to federal prison for crimes for 129 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: treason against this country. You have just made it open 130 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: season on the executive branch and on the presidency. Moving forward, So, friends, 131 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: the Justice Department, I'm not saying that the job in 132 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: front of them is easy, but I'm saying that they 133 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 1: need to fucking do it. Coming up next my conversation 134 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: with our friend, the good good doctor, doctor Jonathan Matzel, 135 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: to bring us the latest on where we are with 136 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: the two new variants that have taken over in the 137 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: United States and also around the world BA four and 138 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: BA five, and what it is that we need to 139 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: be careful of and what it is that we need 140 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: to pay attention to in the coming months. In this conversation, 141 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: Jonathan lays out in no uncertain terms that we are 142 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: headed towards a very dangerous fall, which means a very 143 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: dangerous winter and are we prepared this time around in 144 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: order to keep Americans safe? Or is this just COVID 145 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: groundhogs Day? That conversation with our friend doctor Jonathan Metzel 146 00:10:55,960 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: is coming up next. Indisputable with Doctor Rashid Ricci is 147 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: one of the latest shows on the TYT network and 148 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: also the fastest growing news show in America. 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And Jonathan, 172 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: I know that you had not had an opportunity at 173 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: this point of the recording to watch the seventh hearing 174 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: from the January sixth Committee. But there is one thing 175 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: that I think that you can speak to and have 176 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: a conversation about, which is regard which is with regard 177 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 1: to the testimony of two men who sat before the committee, 178 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: one of them being his name right, because he's the 179 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: one that I want to discuss. Jason van Tottenhove Taytenhof, 180 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: who is a former Proud Boy um was a part 181 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: of the Proud Boys for quite some time he left. 182 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: He left several years ago, well before the insurrection. But 183 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: the purpose of him sitting before the committee and providing 184 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: testimony was to paint the picture of who the Proud 185 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:43,319 Speaker 1: Boys are, what their vision of America is, and how 186 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: it is a para militia organization, that it is a 187 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: terrorist group, and that h Stuart Rhodes, the man who 188 00:13:54,280 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: is now under indictment for seditious conspiracy with the to 189 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:07,439 Speaker 1: January six has a white supremacist, white evangelical, Christian fundamentalist 190 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: vision of America. And what Tottenhofe said is that he said, 191 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: let us not mince words here anymore, because I think 192 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: that it's important for the American people to know the truth. 193 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: What happened on January sixth, he said, was an attempt 194 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: at an armed revolution. That is the desire of the 195 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: Proud Boys, It is the desire of the oath Keepers, 196 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: and it was upholded right and given space by the 197 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: former president of the United States. I want you in 198 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: your travels, in the work that you've done around this 199 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: country with the writing of your book, Dying of Whiteness, 200 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: but also how you speak about gun violence and the 201 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: kind of merging the intersection of these ideologies. He was 202 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: trying to sound an alarm about how we are talking 203 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: about this, So how does that land for you? And 204 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: hearing that Jason van Tottenhove is just like, let's stop 205 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: mincing words. Do you feel like we continue to mince 206 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: words about the danger that these groups and these ideologies 207 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: are causing. Well, hey, everybody, and you're right, Danielle. So 208 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: I'm just coming in from the airport. I've been flying, 209 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: so I met. I was in the air for the 210 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: hearing today, so I've read about it a little bit 211 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: and I much just say about the experience of flying 212 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: right now, which we can talk about later. Apparently flying 213 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: with COVID as your travel companion is all the rage 214 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: this summer and so but anyway, we'll talk about that later. 215 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: But I would just say I think a couple of 216 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: things important have happened over the course of the past 217 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: couple of days. I mean, one is, of course, that 218 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: when you hear about people who are from extremist groups 219 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: who are not in the extremist groups anymore, they're representing 220 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: people who had the conscious to leave I think a 221 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: lot of times, but the people whom the people who 222 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: are still in the groups who are growing and festering 223 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: and all those kind of things that that's really the 224 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: people you have to worry about, right So I would 225 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: love to hear from active you know, three percentage right 226 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: now and just honestly hear what they're what they're thinking, 227 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: and you know, because I would just bet that many 228 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: people in the in these groups don't share this level 229 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: of concern because they feel very guided by the goal 230 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: of fomenting violence or overturning the election or overturning the government. 231 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: And so I think these these threats are real. But 232 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: the other thing I think is important to note is 233 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: that there was a poll released this morning by the 234 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: New York Times. And I don't know how much faith 235 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: you know, you put in polls right now, but some 236 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: of these kind of polls not who you're going to 237 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: vote for, but these opinion polls, they're much more accurate 238 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: than predicting elections. And it said that at least fifty 239 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: percent of Republicans are ready to get rid of Trump, 240 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: at least at this point. Now. Of course, right now 241 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 1: it's not like, oh, it's Trump or Joe Biden, so 242 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: who knows. It's not like, oh, they're going to vote 243 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: for Democrats. But I would say that I think that 244 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: the message of the January six Committee does seem to 245 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: be getting through pretty considerably to a number of people 246 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: who were paying attention. And I think what was interesting 247 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: for me about that poll this morning was that people 248 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: were saying, look, I agree, I'm a Republican. I agree 249 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: with the stuff, but I'm just tired of the circus. 250 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 1: And so I do think that the January sixth Committee, 251 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 1: I mean, we'll have to see where it leads right now, 252 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: is doing a lot of damage on Trump and he 253 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: can't really respond. He can't really respond because nobody even 254 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: knows what the name of his social media app is 255 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: and so and so I think that really the danger 256 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: for the Democrats right now. I was thinking about this 257 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: this morning was let's just say the January States Committee 258 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: is effective enough that it actually knocks Trump off his 259 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: perch and that void is filled by de Santists or 260 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: Tom Cotton, somebody who's like much smoother and smarter, and 261 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: the Democrats, really, you're going to run Joe Biden against 262 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: one of those guys like that would not that would 263 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: not go well. And so I think the issue here 264 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: isn't part about waking up America, which I'm happy to 265 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: talk about. But I also think there's an urgent call 266 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: for Democrats to I mean, the Democrats, even when they're 267 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 1: writing the show here, they seem to be getting caught 268 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: flat footed and everything. And I think, you know, what's 269 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 1: the plan if this ends up leading to Trump not 270 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 1: running in the election, for example, which seems like a 271 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: really real possibility. So my biggest fear, beside the three 272 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: percentage and all that, which is super scary, is that 273 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: the Democrats knock off Trump, but they don't have a 274 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: plan and it's just Biden against one of those guys. Well, 275 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: I think that the reality here is, you know, I 276 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,479 Speaker 1: believe that the point of the January sixth Committee is 277 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: to make the case to the American people that so 278 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: much damage to our institutions, to our agencies, to our 279 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 1: democracy was done, and it wasn't by accident. You know. 280 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: One of the things that I had tweeted was why 281 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 1: is it that white people are so susceptible to being 282 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: quote swept away into violence? And that's a real you know, 283 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: that's a real question, a question that your book sought 284 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: to answer. Right, It's like, why are you willing to 285 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: literally die for whiteness. And you know, I don't believe 286 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: that the Committee is necessarily setting up a case to 287 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: negate Trumps m as they are to negate Donald Trump. 288 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: So your question, I think is true, and I've been 289 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: this is what keeps me up at night, frankly, which 290 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: is the fact of a seventy nine year old Joe 291 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: Biden going up against a late forty something year old 292 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 1: or fifty something year old the santis who is going 293 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: to who looks at this point to be the error 294 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: point apparent um for twenty twenty four. And what I've 295 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: always said is that Donald Trump is what is more 296 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: dangerous than Donald Trump is somebody who has shares his 297 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: ideology but understands the law and how to maneuver and 298 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,959 Speaker 1: how to maneuver it. That's what the danger is. And 299 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: so you know, the thing though about where we are 300 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: this fraught time in our country is that while fifty 301 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: percent of people Republicans may be willing to get rid 302 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: of Donald Trump, the question for you, Jonathan, is that 303 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 1: what is it what is it going to take for 304 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: them to also say that they want to get rid 305 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: of Trumpism when Trumpism is what is winning right now, 306 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: right no, no, that I mean, that's really the issue, 307 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: and that that that's kind of the point I'm making 308 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: is and you're making also, is that what comes after 309 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: Trump is something you know, Trump is like Cyborg one 310 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 1: point zero, but then you get like the actual flesh 311 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: and blood terminator next or something. And so I just 312 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: think that what comes next is going to be a 313 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: far more formable challenge and the I don't like the 314 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 1: Democrats like our strategy is at this point. Maybe it'll 315 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: coalesce more when and I'm sure there's people who are 316 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 1: really smart working on this, but I would just say 317 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: that the response to the Supreme Court decisions about abortion 318 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: and guns have been for me so very disappointing, and 319 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 1: so it just feels like we're just we're reacting, We're 320 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: not going on offense, We're not doing anything. And I 321 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 1: think that is that shit's not going to fly against 322 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: somebody liked a Santas or Cotton or something who are 323 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: just like robot machines, who are going to come in 324 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: and know the law and no very loophole. So I 325 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: don't know, I mean, maybe I'm sure there's a plan 326 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 1: for this, we just don't know it yet. I mean 327 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: let's hope that's the case. I don't mean let's I mean, okay, 328 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: I know that you like to be on you know, 329 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: the up and up and to be optimistic. Well, what 330 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: we have seen is that there's no fucking plan, right. 331 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: Like the reason why you started off saying that they 332 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: continue to get caught flat footed is because they continued 333 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 1: to be surprised by just how violent, how devious, um, 334 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: and how against the law and the constitution this Republican 335 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: Party is. And I guess I mean, I mean, forget 336 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: for against January sixth, they had forty years to know 337 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 1: that abortion was going to get a return, thank you, right, Um, 338 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: Like it wasn't like any big surprise in the gun case. 339 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: Like I mean, you and I were out here were 340 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: screaming about the gun case. Um, But the response to 341 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 1: the gun case. I mean I watched that press commerce 342 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: their day. I mean, I know their hands are tied 343 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: and stuff like that, but they'ren't that tied. And so 344 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. And so I guess the what I 345 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: met by a plan, I'll just be clear, was there 346 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: was another New York Times poll that showed that ninety 347 00:22:54,600 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: percent of people thirty and under, Yeah, and So what 348 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 1: I meant by there probably as a plan is maybe 349 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: there's a plan that after the midterms, you know, the 350 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: least what she'd say is I'm not decided if I'm 351 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: running again, but I think I encourage everybody who wants 352 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: to run to run, or is something that gives the 353 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: okay for people to run, like you know, that's that's 354 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: the least that could happen. I mean, this will and 355 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,199 Speaker 1: it will never happen because people do not, whether for 356 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 1: good or for for wrong, never acquiesced their power that 357 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: they currently have as a way to lay the path 358 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: for other people. And I think that it would take 359 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: it would take, you know, more than the polling, but 360 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: a considerable like I don't even know push by Democrats 361 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: within his inner circle to say you are not going 362 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: to win, and so we still have the opportunity to 363 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 1: hold this country. And the bet, the best bet is 364 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: for actually the American people to feel like they can 365 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 1: roll the dice on their leadership as opposed to you 366 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: being the twenty twenty four nominee. A parent, I mean, 367 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: the question, though, is is there any benefit to saying 368 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: something like that before the mid term. I'm betting they 369 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: wait until left for the mid term. So it's like, 370 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: I just don't think it would be wise by their calculus. 371 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,360 Speaker 1: Who knows to come out right now and say I'm 372 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: not running again. So I guess when I said that, 373 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: maybe there's a plan, that was what I was thinking, 374 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: is maybe there's a plan, they're just not doing it now. 375 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: So I just don't want to. I don't want to 376 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: have everybody jump on Biden's back. When we elected the guy, 377 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 1: and if he's I mean, I mean, if he's the nominee, 378 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: we're supporting him. But when we say that we elected 379 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: the guy, we didn't really have a choice, right, Like 380 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: we had a choice, we had a we had a choice, 381 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:53,959 Speaker 1: And Jim Clyburn said, well, South Carolina is behind Joe Biden, 382 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: and so the rest of the rest of us got 383 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 1: behind Joe Biden because he declared him as such and 384 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: said he's the only person that could beat Trump, and 385 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,439 Speaker 1: he did be Trump. But we're saying that, like you 386 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: beat him this time around. But these iterations of Donald Trump, 387 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: these next phases, like you use the terminator, these next 388 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: phases of Donald Trump, he is not prepared to beat 389 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 1: And we've seen that time and you know, time and 390 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: time again. Um to switch gears now to go back 391 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,719 Speaker 1: to our other disaster, which is the pandemic that we 392 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: are continuing to live in. And by the way, we 393 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: still haven't talked about monkey pox on this show, but 394 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: I'll wait for that. Okay, that's coming next. But um, 395 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: you know, I will say this that I have noticed 396 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: in the past. I guess week and a half, Jonathan, 397 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: since you raised the alarm on this show once again 398 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: that said, hey, guys, maybe in the next two weeks 399 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 1: you want to wear masks indoors because I just came 400 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: from Scandinavia and the wave is coming right now. Also, 401 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: sorry you are you are a good, good prophet to 402 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: us what was coming, and it came faster than the 403 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: two weeks that you had actually anticipated. So the media 404 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: now has picked up and is hip to the fact that, 405 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: guess what, COVID's not done. And not only is it 406 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 1: not done, but these next two variants are worse than 407 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: the first one because they're more contagious and are attacking 408 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: the lower lung. So tell us about you know what 409 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 1: more you were hearing about what is being done and 410 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: also about your travels because you just said that COVID 411 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: nineteen is essentially our copilot. So I just flew in 412 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 1: from Nashville, and boy, and my arms tired. And I 413 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 1: would say that I was one of three people wearing 414 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 1: a mask on the flight, and there were people who 415 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 1: were just hacking up on the flight. So I put 416 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,959 Speaker 1: on a third mask. And I just had COVID two 417 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: weeks ago. Like I'm relatively safe compared to other people. 418 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 1: But there's just nobody in charge right now, and I 419 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: stand why, like nobody would do it anyway, But I 420 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: will say that we had we had the luxury of 421 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,120 Speaker 1: having the Big O Oscar robertson the O micron straight stage. 422 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: And the difference between everything that came before the Big 423 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 1: O and the Big O was that the Big O 424 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: didn't kill people as much because it was largely an 425 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: upper respiratory infection, and so even though people were catching it, 426 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: remember everybody got it less December. Everybody got it right. 427 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,959 Speaker 1: But the thing is I didn't kill anywhere near as 428 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: many people because it didn't go in the lower lungs, 429 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: which is where you get your oxygen, ladies and gentlemen, 430 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: and so remember that earlier versions of COVID put ended 431 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,640 Speaker 1: up people, tons of people on ventilators in hospitals because 432 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: their lungs were infected. And so so we've had this 433 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 1: omicron you know, series of BA one, two, three, where 434 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: it's just like wave after wave, which was just like 435 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: a cold, you know, a very bad cold, and all 436 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: of a sudden four and five. And I I noticed 437 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: this in myself when I got COVID two weeks ago. 438 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: I'm still not totally over it. But also like people 439 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 1: I was with got really sick, like ended up like 440 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: having bilateral pneumonia on chess Sex race and something. I 441 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: started looking at the data and looking at data from 442 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 1: other countries, and it turns out there's a lot of 443 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,199 Speaker 1: people on ventilators right now, which has not been the 444 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 1: case for us for almost year. And so so as 445 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 1: this ramps up, just to be honest, I mean again 446 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: not to be so alarmous, but I am very worried 447 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 1: about the fall because as this thing it's got a 448 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: it's got an infection ratio that is supposedly eighteen, which 449 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: is higher than smallpox or measles or anything we know. 450 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: And so it's it's attacking along and it's got an 451 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: infection ratio that's pretty much higher than most pathogens that 452 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: you and I have ever heard of, and so this 453 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,239 Speaker 1: fall could get kind of bad, and so I don't know. 454 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: I would not throw away my mask anybody. I would 455 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: be quite careful. And the other thing is if the 456 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: infection ratio was eighteen. I mean, I love afropunk, as 457 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: you know, I live for that. But crowded outdoor places 458 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,239 Speaker 1: are going to be a little risky too, because the 459 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: initial infection ratio was three, you know, last year, and 460 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: now it's eighteen and that's how many people everybody with 461 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: it in facts, and so even crowded outdoor spaces are 462 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: not totally safe right now. So I would I would 463 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: be I would go back to kind of carefulish right now. Honestly. Thankfully, 464 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: I think they're working on a booster that is going 465 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: to have these four and five strains. It can't come 466 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: sooner enough, honestly, because I feel like we're going to 467 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: be in this way verse quite a while. But can 468 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: you just cant Let me just ask a question, because 469 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: I want people to be able to follow what you're saying. 470 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: Can you explain than what the infection rate was for 471 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: let's say delta omicron and now these BA four NBA five, 472 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: So people can understand. Yeah, like the yeah, the rise, 473 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: the first COVID that we all freaked out about. Alpha, 474 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: Let's please come back someday. Um, you had to be 475 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: in an enclosed space for ten to fifteen minutes with somebody. 476 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: It only went very It was a very dense particle, 477 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: so it only went six feet roughly. That's why we 478 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: had social distancing. So, believe it or not, even though nobody, 479 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: none of us, we were still like, you know, licking 480 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: subway poles and French kissing strangers and stuff like that 481 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: in the old days. But I would say that the 482 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: original coronavirus, compared to what we have now, was really 483 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: hard to catch. I mean it was easy to catch 484 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: because it was because we didn't know it, and we 485 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: didn't know we didn't Yeah, yeah, but now this thing 486 00:30:56,120 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: shoots across the room, is lighter than anything. It You 487 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: can get infected by literally just taking your mask off 488 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: for a minute. That's how quickly it infects. It's much 489 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: much better infecting. And so people who have this the 490 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: original COVID, one person would infect another two people or 491 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: three people. Now everybody's got it is infecting eighteen people. 492 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: And so that's because it just spreads so much easier. 493 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: There's much more of it in the air, and when 494 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: it's living in people's lungs, they're also coughing it, which 495 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: makes it in the air. So it's just it's a 496 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: good time to have some good masks on hand, I 497 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 1: would say, and to think about just being conservative for 498 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: a while here. I mean. The other important thing to 499 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: note is that this new variant evades immunity from people 500 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: who have had COVID before, and so the field of 501 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: people and also people who are vaccinated for the most part, 502 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: so it's basically like we're starting over a little bit. 503 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: So the reason I think this this surge is going 504 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: to last for a while is it's not like there's 505 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: a pool of people who have had BA four and 506 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: BA five who were going to be the blockades the 507 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: you know. Basically, COVID is just starting on all over 508 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: with us in a way, and so that's why I 509 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: think this thing is going to be with us for 510 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,479 Speaker 1: a while. And again, the fall is going to be 511 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: pretty intense here, especially if this new lung version then 512 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 1: mutates again. So it's it's going to be a time 513 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: to kind of hold onto your hat again. I know. 514 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: I teach college and my own employer is saying, Oh, 515 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: we're just going back normal. But I'm like, tell me 516 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: in a month. I mean, I think I'm sure we're 517 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: going to go back, but I guarantee you we're going 518 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: to be having masks in the classroom again. Well, Jonathan, 519 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: you're always the bearer of good news, and I will 520 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: tell phone, but this is this is kind of what 521 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: I want to say to folks. We've been having these 522 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: conversations for well over two years now, and there has 523 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: not been a time when Jonathan has warned each and 524 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: every single listener here that a wave is coming, and 525 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: a wave not com that it's going to be bad, 526 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,239 Speaker 1: and it not be as bad as you predict. And 527 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: so I say that, uh, you know, tongue in cheek 528 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: about the bearer of bad news, but you are the warning. 529 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: You are the alert that goes off that reminds people, 530 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: oh shit. If Jonathan says that it's going to get bad, 531 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 1: and he has been right all of this time, then 532 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: listen to you now, Jonathan Metzel. As always, I appreciate you, 533 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: Stay safe, stay healthy. We'll get through. Don't forget We're 534 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: going to get through this one day. You know, it's 535 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: Dan Winkle, I'm going to say one more depressing thing 536 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: for people, just to suppo a lot of people. Just 537 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: one team ny Moore thing, which is the issue with 538 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: with a virus in your lungs is that people are 539 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: going to need to be hospitalized and be on a respirator. 540 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: And so, just to repeat the point that we made 541 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 1: a year ago, you don't want to get sick when 542 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: other people are sick. That's another reason to kind of 543 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: play it safe right now, because then hospitals fill up, 544 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: and beds fill up, and wards fill up, and respirators, 545 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 1: you know, ventilators fill up and stuff. So I would 546 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 1: just say now is a time. I mean, it's hard 547 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 1: because it's summer, but I would just say nothing else. 548 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 1: Just everybody stay on top of the science. Really you 549 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 1: can just follow you know, the people on Twitter who 550 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 1: are trustworthy, I think. But now is a time to like, 551 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: you know, just to play it safe. I would say, 552 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: all right, Jonathan, and folks listen to Jonathan, play it safe. 553 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: Don't throw away your masks, put your masks on, and 554 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 1: don't think that you were one hundred percent safe at 555 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:46,760 Speaker 1: these crowded outdoor concerts, festivals, events that are happening because 556 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 1: we're talking about a different difference in particle size, a 557 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,240 Speaker 1: difference in reach, and a different area of infection. So 558 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,359 Speaker 1: again we are starting from scratch, not necessarily scratch, because 559 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 1: we have the information that will keep us safe. It's 560 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,720 Speaker 1: whether or not we choose to use it. Jonathan, as always, 561 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 1: thank you so much and we will see you next week. 562 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: Take everybody that is it for me today, dear friends 563 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 1: on Woke FP as always, power to the people and 564 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,360 Speaker 1: to all the people. Power, get woke and stay woke 565 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 1: as fuck.