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Speaker 1: Welcome into Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink here

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Speaker 1: with Garrett Downing, and we are in the fourth of

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Speaker 1: July week and really the month that the NFL goes

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Speaker 1: on its annual vacation before training camp starts. But Garret,

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Speaker 1: and I to Gruden Grinders, that's right, I said too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, give you credit for this one to pass.

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Speaker 2: For this week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we are going to break down the full Ravens

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Speaker 1: depth chart and make some early predictions on how we

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Speaker 1: could see this fifty three man roster shaking out. So, Garrett,

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Speaker 1: I think we can start with saying we're in agreement

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Speaker 1: that this roster is absolutely loaded, and so there really

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Speaker 1: are not many starting positions up for grabs, and honestly,

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Speaker 1: there's not many positions period up for grabs on this

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Speaker 1: fifty three man roster, and it just keeps getting and

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Speaker 1: there's still people talking about, well, could they add another safety,

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Speaker 1: because they add another pat stars, they add another guard,

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Speaker 1: right like you do any of that stuff. Goodness gracious,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be nearly impossible for the back end guys

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Speaker 1: of this roster to make the fifty three.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, yeah, there's a lot of conversation when you

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Speaker 2: go back to mandatory mini camp and the Ravens added

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Speaker 2: Jay Alexander and a lot of notable And we've been

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Speaker 2: saying this honestly for a little while, even really before

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Speaker 2: Jaiu Alexander, but a lot of conversation around the Ravens

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Speaker 2: roster and the point that like there's just no holes.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Field Yates had a take on this on

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Speaker 2: ESPN where he basically broke it down and just said,

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Speaker 2: there's like no holes on this roster when you look

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Speaker 2: at it now. It's early, it's July. Now, there's a

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Speaker 2: long way to go. You can never predict injuries like

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Speaker 2: you can throw out all the disclaimers. But as it's

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Speaker 2: constructed right now, I think the Ravens top to bottom,

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Speaker 2: you can make really good case. So they have the

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Speaker 2: best roster in the league. And so credit to Eric

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Speaker 2: Takasa and his staff for building this and putting it

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Speaker 2: in a position where they can go out and compete

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Speaker 2: and win a lot of games. But I do think

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Speaker 2: it's going to be really challenging to make the team.

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Speaker 2: And then consider the fact that the Ravens had eleven

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Speaker 2: draft picks, right, that's the number and DaCosta even said

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Speaker 2: before the draft, like it would be tough for all

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Speaker 2: eleven of those guys to make the team. And you're

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Speaker 2: going to get into that point here pretty soon once

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Speaker 2: training camp begins, where those guys are competing for those spots.

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Speaker 2: But as we're going to talk about here, I think

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Speaker 2: it is going to be challenging for all eleven to

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Speaker 2: end up making it on the fifty three. And those

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Speaker 2: are the hard decisions that the Ravens are going to

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Speaker 2: have to make here.

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Speaker 1: Let alone the undrafted rookie free agency. Everybody wants to

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Speaker 1: talk about, it's really tough for them to make it.

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Speaker 2: Right and like we and then you go back a

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Speaker 2: year where those guys who made it as undrafted rookies

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Speaker 2: and you're like, oh man, we're excited about these players.

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Speaker 2: But now it's like, well, now you've got eleven draft

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Speaker 2: picks pushing them very time.

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Speaker 1: You have really a long jam of young talent, and

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Speaker 1: like the Ravens their last few drafts, you go top

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Speaker 1: to bottom and they have hit and not necessarily all

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Speaker 1: lot of talented players who have flashed and who you

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Speaker 1: want to give opportunities to and to get an opportunity

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Speaker 1: you first of all got to make the fifty three

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Speaker 1: man roster. Yeah, so or the practice s guard I suppose.

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Speaker 1: But let's jump into this, Garrett. Let's start. We'll start

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Speaker 1: with the easy one here at quarterback. Obviously, we know

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson and Cooper Rush, who the Ravens signed this offseason.

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Speaker 1: And they've been impressed with Cooper. Of course they've been

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Speaker 1: impressed with Lamar. But I don't expect them to keep

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Speaker 1: this is not the year to keep three. So that

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Speaker 1: would mean Devin Leary could be their practice s gud

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Speaker 2: Let's say, Yeah, the Ravens invested in backup quarterback this

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Speaker 2: that's they've gone different routes with that in past years.

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Speaker 2: With they've gone the veteran route with a guy like

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Speaker 1: Years, the veteran route obviously, just the past couple of

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Speaker 2: Beats with Josh Johnson. So they've they've gone a different

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Speaker 2: so I think that he's off to a good start

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Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be two quarterbacks, and it's obviously

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Speaker 1: Yep. All right, let's go to running back, and we

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Speaker 1: know it's Derrick Henry Justice Hill leading the way as

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Speaker 1: in mini camp, and I think he's got a pretty

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the Ravens probably keep three true running backs.

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Speaker 2: Of course Patriverkar is the fourth guy in that room

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Speaker 2: I think they probably keep three running backs. The question

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Speaker 2: that you'll have there is Keiton, Mitchell verse Rasheen Ali.

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Speaker 2: If you're only keeping three, of course, you could keep

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Speaker 2: you have this logjam and it's going to be difficult

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Speaker 2: You have two late round cornerbacks that you added this year. Like,

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Speaker 2: if you're going to keep four running backs, then you

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Speaker 1: Well, in last year down the stretch, the Ravens had

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Speaker 1: I think now if Keaton stays healthy and continues to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, everything that I've seen from Keaton Mitchell says that

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Speaker 2: And he certainly looks at and he said that as well,

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Speaker 2: I think that there's like I don't want to do

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Speaker 2: there's a chance that the Ravens went the super Bowl

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Speaker 2: that year of Keaton says healthy down the stretch like

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Speaker 1: Yep, I agree with that, all right, Moving on to

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Speaker 1: and Devontes Walker, who again was another OTA's in mini

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Speaker 1: I agree. You know another veteran player that like in

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Speaker 1: the wide receiver room is Keith Kirkwood. Yeah, like you,

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Speaker 1: I just I just think he's a pretty good player.

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Speaker 1: Like you talk about guys who make plays out there

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Speaker 2: And like he was a practice squad lest year too, exactly.

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Speaker 1: I think this is not I'm getting a little bit

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Speaker 1: important to have good players on your practice squad because

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Speaker 1: it makes during the weeks like in season mode, right,

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Speaker 1: Like we talk about these guys in the off season

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Speaker 1: there and their battle to compete for the fifty three

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Speaker 2: Yep, we can do inside linebacker. Rokwan Smith Trenton Simpson

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Speaker 2: out yep? And I also think there could be maybe

433
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Speaker 2: a mix there. I don't necessarily know that it's going

434
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Speaker 2: to be one guy that's taken one hundred percent of

435
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Speaker 2: the snaps away.

436
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Speaker 1: It was next to next to Roquan.

437
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Speaker 2: I mean, Roquan is going to take a hundred. But

438
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Speaker 2: I don't know that it's going to be a similar

439
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Speaker 2: dymynamic to what we had with ro Kuwan and Patrick

440
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,080
Speaker 2: Queen a few years ago. I think it could be

441
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,320
Speaker 2: more of a shared role potentially next to.

442
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Speaker 1: Him, between Simpson and Buchanan.

443
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 2: Yes, between Simpson and yeah, yeah.

444
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Speaker 1: I agree with that. All right, outside linebacker, and this

445
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 1: is difficult. I think that we have some obvious ones.

446
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:54,960
Speaker 1: Uh oh, way, van Ney, Mike Green, the rookie Tavius

447
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:59,439
Speaker 1: Robinson are four shoe ins there. Then you get to

448
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:05,360
Speaker 1: a d Isaac and David Ajabo. Those are tougher questions.

449
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 1: So to me, can you keep both? I would love

450
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,440
Speaker 1: to keep both those guys. That would be six outside linebackers.

451
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:18,679
Speaker 1: That's a lot. You know, this is where we go

452
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Speaker 1: back to the conversation we're having about O line. To me,

453
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Speaker 1: if can you get away with only keeping nine offensive linemen,

454
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Speaker 1: that frees up an extra spot for an outside linebacker.

455
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Speaker 1: This is again where I just don't fans talking about

456
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Speaker 1: signing another outside linebacker. I just I'm having trouble getting

457
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Speaker 1: it down.

458
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Speaker 2: You want these six guys to make the team, You

459
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Speaker 2: want these six guys on and you're wondering, how can

460
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Speaker 2: I get all six right?

461
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Speaker 1: The question essentially, you know, Isaac was a third round

462
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Speaker 1: pick last year, who has done when he's been on

463
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 1: the field, he's flashed. Like I haven't seen nothing, no

464
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Speaker 1: indications from him that like it's been like disappointing.

465
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Speaker 2: There's been nothing that says time to closed the ideasa

466
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Speaker 2: Isaac chapter. No exactly.

467
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, guy dealt with a multitude of injuries last year

468
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,360
Speaker 1: and then Ojava. I think that's more of the question, right,

469
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:15,959
Speaker 1: is like he was kind of healthy last year and

470
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 1: didn't you know, he was a healthy scratch at times

471
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Speaker 1: during the last season. He had an opportunity and didn't

472
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Speaker 1: quite have that breakout third season that we were hoping

473
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Speaker 1: for after really his rookie season was a wash. His

474
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Speaker 1: second season was pretty much a wash with a knee injury.

475
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Speaker 1: Now he was kind of still coming back from that

476
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,479
Speaker 1: to a degree in year three, but you know, he

477
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Speaker 1: was healthy enough and didn't necessarily have that breakout year.

478
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Speaker 1: I'm still really intrigued by David Ajaba in the talent,

479
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,120
Speaker 1: his second round pick, who could have been a first

480
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Speaker 1: round pick. The talent, you know, and you forget also

481
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 1: like he was just a kind of a raw player

482
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Speaker 1: when he came into the league, regardless of his injury. Yeah,

483
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Speaker 1: and so like you know, I'm not closing the book

484
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Speaker 1: on David Ajabo, and I think the way he practices

485
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 1: this summer will in large degree to dictate whether he's

486
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Speaker 1: on the fifty three man roster or not, or whether

487
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:18,919
Speaker 1: the trade you know where he lands. Uh. But like me,

488
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find a way for that guy on

489
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Speaker 1: the fifty three man roster because, like I just I

490
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 1: just feel like he's got it in him.

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Speaker 2: This is where you start having conversations where it's like

492
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Speaker 2: a lot of times we look at the position and

493
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 2: you'll say, like it's going to be going back to

494
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 2: offensive line, then Cleveland or Nick Samak as an example.

495
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 2: In reality, it could be a situation where it's like

496
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 2: David Ajabo or Ben Cleveland exactly. That's exactly the conversation exactly.

497
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Speaker 2: And those are those are tough calls. I I like

498
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Speaker 2: the I'm with you, like I like the idea of

499
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 2: finding a way for a Joba to make this team.

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Speaker 2: And I want to see him in training when the

501
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 2: Pats are on. I want to see him in the preseason.

502
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 2: I think that all that's going to go a long

503
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 2: way and determining like do you do you go heavy

504
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 2: at outside linebacker because the job is just too good

505
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 2: to cut.

506
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: Well, and and it's it's kind of a position group

507
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: similar to cornerback, where it's you can't have too many

508
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: pass rushers, you know what I mean? Like I could

509
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: see that same refrain for that position group.

510
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. And like, how is Isaac fully healthy?

511
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 2: Like I know he's been healthy this offseason, but like

512
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 2: when he gets on for when you again the paths

513
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 2: come on, you're going through training camp, does he hold

514
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 2: up over the course of training camp. I think you

515
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 2: want to keep guys fresh at that position. You want

516
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 2: to have plenty of depth there. You just don't want

517
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:44,919
Speaker 2: to find yourself, Like you don't want to find yourself

518
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 2: in week ten being like we're calling guys up off

519
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 2: the practice squad and find guys off the street to

520
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 2: come in and rush the pastor because I know you

521
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 2: struck goal with Kyle van Noy coming off the street

522
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 2: and balling off the couch, but like that's hard to

523
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Speaker 2: come by, yep. And I don't think you want to

524
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Speaker 2: find yourself in a spot where you're you're hard press

525
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 2: at that position, especially if you feel like a job

526
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 2: was still a really good player who has an opportunity

527
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Speaker 2: to reach his potential this year.

528
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Speaker 1: The flip side of this argument is are you cannibalizing

529
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Speaker 1: snaps from some other other young players that you want

530
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: to get experience? Right? Like the more you keep if

531
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 1: you say, all right, we're keeping David a Jabo on

532
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: the fifty three, is he gonna be game day A

533
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: game day active? You know? And b Like you're like, okay,

534
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,120
Speaker 1: you're keeping them because you want him to get snaps? Well,

535
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 1: a Jaba is taking snaps? A that means maybe Oway

536
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 1: now unless they use three outside linebacker sets or whatever,

537
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: right and move guys inside and all that stuff, Like, okay,

538
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: does that mean Oway or Vani's off the field? And

539
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: if not, does that mean Mike Green's off the field?

540
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: Like I kind of want to see my Green ball

541
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: out too. Talk about second round pick, who's talented Mike Green?

542
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 1: You know, I want I want him to get snaps?

543
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: You know, I want a DC Isaac to get snaps

544
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: because you're never gonna know unless he gets out there

545
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: in place. And so like, if you just keep all

546
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: of those young talented guys, Mike Green's obviously on the

547
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: fifty three, yeah, but if you keep both Isaac and

548
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: her Jabo, then like, are there are enough snaps to

549
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: go around, even if there's them a realistic chance to

550
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: have the breakout that we want them to have.

551
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 2: There's not enough snaps to go around.

552
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: But you just want it for dem You want it

553
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: just to have depth.

554
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 2: And it's like, hey, if you need it, here's a

555
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 2: really good player coming off the bench who can go get.

556
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 1: The quarterback right.

557
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 2: So you're not gonna have six guys that are playing

558
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 2: a considerable, deserable amount of snaps. It's just that there's

559
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: not enough. There's not enough snaps. But I like the

560
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 2: idea of depth there and keeping the door open, yep,

561
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 2: especially if these guys play well in training camp in

562
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 2: the preseason, like you and I both expect them to.

563
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: And I'll conclude this by saying, like I think that

564
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 1: there's a lot of believers in David Ajabo in this building.

565
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: I just I just do like they took a chance

566
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: with him, they have faith in him, and like I

567
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: think they want to see that. I know they want

568
00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: to see that come to fruition and for that to

569
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: to hit.

570
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 2: Look when we sat down with Eric Costa after the

571
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 2: draft and he went through this position group and he

572
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 2: pointed out, like we had the second with sacks in

573
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 2: the league last year, and we have everyone coming back

574
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 2: and like he he called out, you know, he mentioned

575
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: a Jobo specifically as a guy like you know, we

576
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 2: know the story here, but we still have a lot

577
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 2: of belief in him, and so I think that there's

578
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 2: there's credence to the point that you're making.

579
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: Yep, all right, let's turn it to the secondary and

580
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: this is gonna be another tough group here. Start with safety. Yeah, sure,

581
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: let's start with safety, all right. Obviously Kyle Hamilton and

582
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: Malachi Starks are your two projected starters. Behind them, with

583
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: our Darius Washington injured and dealing with his achilles, he'll

584
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: still be kept on the pup list or not what

585
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: was it pup or he'll be on injured reserve, one

586
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: of those lists, one of those injuries. I got to

587
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: review all the rules around that again. So he'll be

588
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: on the sideline the beginning of the year. Possible that

589
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: he gets activated later in the year, which could cause

590
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: a little bit of a roster shuffle if he's able

591
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: to come back. But for now, really your number three

592
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: and four guys would be Sanoosy Kane and bow Braid.

593
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think safety is like when you're just talking

594
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 2: about who makes the fifty three, I think that one's

595
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 2: a little bit more clear cut than corner because I

596
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 2: think it's those four guys. Now there's you know, there's

597
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 2: a little bit of crossover. Like Jalen arber Davis, for example,

598
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 2: took some snaps at safety this offseason, so like, is

599
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 2: he a corner or safety? I still look at him

600
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 2: as a corner, but he's he's doing a little cross training.

601
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 2: But I think those are your four safety So you

602
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 2: have your clear starters and you have two guys that

603
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 2: can come in and be a third safety if needed

604
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 2: or just provide death.

605
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: Right. Bo Braid made the fifty three last year as

606
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: an undrafted rookie was one of the better best stories

607
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: really of ross or cutdowns. Is safety a spot where

608
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: an undrafted rookie could have a chance. You have two

609
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: undrafted rookies at safety, KeAndre Jackson of Illinois State and

610
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: Desmond Igbinoson from Rutgers.

611
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 2: Well, look, you mentioned the two six to two safeties,

612
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: the big guys. Like another guy in the secondary as

613
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 2: an undrafted rookie who's intriguing is Ruben Lowry. This is

614
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 2: a corner. I think he may have taken some safety

615
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 2: snaps too, but like he's just made a bunch of plays. Yeah,

616
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 2: he's come up with back there, and like, yeah, when

617
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 2: you look at I mean he's he's undersized in the

618
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 2: sense when you look when you compare him for those

619
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Speaker 2: six to two guys, I mean Ruben Lowry's five nine

620
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 2: to two o four. But a guy from Tennessee Chattan Nouga,

621
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 2: who again he makes plays in practice. And if when

622
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 2: you look at the safeties who have made the Ravens

623
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Speaker 2: as undrafted players, like they they have followed this path

624
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 2: of man. This guy just keeps making plays like ar

625
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 2: Darius Washington did that, Bo Braid did that, and then

626
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 2: he got into the training the preseason last year and

627
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 2: he elevated again. It's like make a play a day,

628
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 2: come up with picks, catch the coach's attention. Even just

629
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 2: undrafted guys like like Geno Stone was a guy who

630
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 2: just made plays and you're like, this guy's a little

631
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 2: too good to just pass up.

632
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think I think that Sinoussi had a

633
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: had a good OTAs in Mini camp. Bo unfortunately dealt

634
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: with an injury suffered near the end of OTAs, but

635
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: he returned from mini camp. I think both guys are

636
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: probably probably going into training camp saying my roster spot

637
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: is not a lock. Yeah, you know, and especially Bo

638
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: is probably looking at these these other undrafted rookies are

639
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: looking at Bow and saying, he did it last year,

640
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: why can't I do it this year? Yeah, Like I'm

641
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: sure he's not saying I'm locked and loaded. Yeah, And

642
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: so I think that there's a competition there for that

643
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: fourth spot on the fifty three. And I will say

644
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: that I think safety, to me is the most likely

645
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: position where the Ravens could still add another veteran free agent. Yeah.

646
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 2: I don't know that I see them adding someone, but

647
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: I think that if they didn't feel like if one

648
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Speaker 2: of the if Sanousi or Bo were to miss time

649
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 2: at all in camp because of an injury, or if

650
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 2: they just didn't feel like they were getting out of

651
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 2: them what they want, then then yeah.

652
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Speaker 1: But John Harbolo is very complimentary of Sanusi the job

653
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Speaker 1: that he's done.

654
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Speaker 2: I think those are probably your I think it's probably

655
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 2: those four, like as we're sitting here today, I think

656
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 2: it's probably those four guys.

657
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: At safety with Ardarius waiting in the wings.

658
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 2: With Ardarius waiting, and then a little bit of flexibility

659
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 2: for some of the guys at corner like a Jalen

660
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 2: Armor Davis who can play you have Marlin who plays

661
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,719
Speaker 2: in the nickel slot so often, so like different position,

662
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 2: but like I think that you just have a little

663
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 2: bit of flexibility there, and the addition of Jay Alexander

664
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Speaker 2: gives you that option to move guys around even a

665
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 2: little bit more, both both Marlin and Jalen Armor Davis.

666
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Speaker 1: Yep, I would agree with that assessment. All right, let's

667
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: go to cornerback. Yeah, Marlon Humphrey, Nate Wiggins, Jay Alexander,

668
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: and Cheetoh Ouzie.

669
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 2: Theo's your top four.

670
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: Beyond that you go to Jalen Armor Davis, TJ. Tampa

671
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: and then the two six round rookies in blacone and

672
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: then Robert Longerbeam. Yeah, those are your main competitors, I

673
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: would say, for what would be six spots, eight guys, Yeah, exactly,

674
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: And so it gets tight right that that's like do

675
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: you keep I don't think you're keeping eight. I don't

676
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: think you can keep all eight, right, I can keep

677
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: seven right?

678
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 2: Six? Right? Those are those are the questions that they.

679
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: Again this one comes down to the how many outside

680
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: linebackers and how many offensive linemen are you keeping. I

681
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: think these those are the three position groups where it's

682
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: a numbers game.

683
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 2: H m hmm. That that is gonna be That is

684
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 2: gonna be tough because it's like you may find yourself

685
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 2: in this position where you say, okay, it's blocone or

686
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 2: Robert Longerbeam the two six round rookies. Whoever ends up

687
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: looking better? Sure, I mean you.

688
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: Could keep everything else than that's seven if you're picking

689
00:33:59,400 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: between one of.

690
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 2: You also could be in a spot where you say

691
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 2: it's Jalen Arbor Davis or TJ.

692
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: Tampa.

693
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Speaker 2: Potentially if you were to say we need to get

694
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Speaker 2: down to six corners for some reason.

695
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 1: Or you keep both those guys in neither of the

696
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: six rounds.

697
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: Neither do them right, right, So there's they have a

698
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 2: little bit of flexibility there. I think that they're going

699
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 2: to consider. I think they're gonna consider positional flexibility.

700
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 1: Or like you're saying, Jalen Arbor Davis, does he take

701
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: the fourth safety spot and another corner spot?

702
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 2: Exactly? That's all that is part and that that and

703
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 2: that may be why like Jalen Arber Davis is like, yeah,

704
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 2: I'll take some snaps of safety, like I want to

705
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 2: show that I can play any of these positions. And

706
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 2: he's a really smart player too, so like having an

707
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 2: understanding and as you're going into his fourth year, like

708
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 2: just a knowledge of the defense and that experience, I

709
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 2: think it makes it a little bit easier for a

710
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: guy to take additional snaps at safety and corner. So

711
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 2: he may be looking at it as like I'm just

712
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 2: trying to find my way on any way possible. Give

713
00:34:54,880 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 2: me any of these spots so that I know. I

714
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 2: said earlier that I thought offensive line was probably the

715
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 2: toughest position to predict. I might be changing my answer

716
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 2: here to corner, especially with the Jai Alexander addition. The

717
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 2: Ravens typically go a little heavier at corner and just

718
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 2: secondary in general because of the old adage like you

719
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 2: can never have too many of them. And I really

720
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 2: believe that you don't want to be you don't want

721
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 2: to be caught like you just don't want to be

722
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 2: caught red handed at corner if guys get hurt. We've

723
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 2: seen what happens there, yep.

724
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: So and they really like those two six round rookies

725
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: I know. That's like you think sixth round pick. Okay,

726
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 1: you know, yeah they're not and they aren't a lock,

727
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: but you're like, maybe you can cut them, maybe you

728
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: can sneak them even on the practice card, maybe they can.

729
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: But like I think those two guys BK Like he

730
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: has the traits and I like the dude. I look

731
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: at him, I'm like, that looks like an NFL corner

732
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: right there. Longer beam is he's telling you, well, yeah, yeah,

733
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: I know. And and look go back to last year

734
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: TJ Tampa. They Raves was really excited to get him

735
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: in the fourth round. A lot of people saying like

736
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: this guy should have been a second round pick, and

737
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: the Ravens get him in the worth he could be

738
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: one of the steels and really didn't see much of

739
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: him last year he dealt with a hernia injury. So

740
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 1: like it's kind of a similar story with him compared

741
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: to with disa Isaac. Like basically the redier ear as

742
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: a rookie, but he's got potential as well. He's a

743
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,439
Speaker 1: bigger corner, six one, two hundred pounds, so a bigger guy.

744
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: But man, it's I just think what I think is

745
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: gonna come down to there like health is going to

746
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: be really critical and like consistency they want when you're

747
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: looking at guys like in those in those spots they

748
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: want to have. They want to feel like if we

749
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: need you to step in and hold your own like

750
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: you can do it, like you know.

751
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 2: It's not gonna moment, it's not gonna be too big

752
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 2: for you. So like Jalen armor Davis, this is a

753
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 2: guy that like has shown potential, just hasn't been able

754
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 2: to stay healthy. But I don't think the moment's going

755
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 2: to be too big for him play college ball at Alabama.

756
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 2: Like he's he's he's ready in that sense, but it's

757
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 2: a health question for him. For for the rookies, like it's.

758
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: More of a question I mean Cone West Western Michigan, Yeah, Rutgers.

759
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: I mean you have a question of like are you

760
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,760
Speaker 2: are you ready if needed and so, and then if

761
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 2: if you end up getting cut, could we get you

762
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 2: on the practice squad. That's like the second piece of

763
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: that equation. The Ravens have tried that with guys in

764
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: recent years where they've tried they've had some late round

765
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 2: corners where they've taken swings at Sean Wade was one

766
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 2: of them. He ended up he's a fifth round pick,

767
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 2: ended up in New England.

768
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 1: Traded to New England.

769
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, traded, but but you know, at the deadline, right

770
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 2: at the roster cut down and didn't play any games here.

771
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 2: And then the one from Stanford Kye Blue Kelly yep,

772
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 2: And he was another one late round pick who ended

773
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 2: up not making it at a camp. So they've taken

774
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 2: some swings with late round corners and then some of

775
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 2: those guys haven't made it, so.

776
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: They generally get picked up by other teams. That's kind

777
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: of the thing I think it is. I think it

778
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: can be a challenge to sneak a cornerback onto the

779
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: practice squad because everybody around the league is looking for

780
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: corners and you can't have you enough of them, you know.

781
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 2: And the Raves have a good track record of drafting

782
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: and developing them. And so I think that like this

783
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 2: and this roster is so good that like other teams

784
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 2: are gonna look at like who the Ravens are cutting

785
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 2: and being like, Okay, they added your Alexander. Exactly who

786
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 2: spot did Alexander take exactly Exactly? That's gonna be that guy.

787
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,959
Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's gonna be the case. Absolutely. Anytime any team

788
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: makes an addition around the league, you're like, all right,

789
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: who's that bumping and is that guy of interest to us?

790
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 2: Right? So I think that it made the competition there

791
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 2: much more difficult. But I also think that other teams

792
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 2: are going to be taking notice of that. All right,

793
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,479
Speaker 2: So let's take a look at the defensive line here,

794
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 2: nom Dei, Matabik, Project Washington, Travis Jones. Those your top three.

795
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 2: John Jenkins, the big nose tackle is basically Michael Pierce replacement.

796
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 2: He's on, and Anias Peebles defensive lineman rookie I think

797
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 2: is gonna be on as well.

798
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: Right, I would expect that those five make it, and

799
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: not that all five necessarily will be game day actives.

800
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: I think that could be matchup related. You know, if

801
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: you're facing heavier run team, then John Jenkins is active.

802
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: If you're facing maybe a heavier passing team than a

803
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 1: NSP ables is a game they active because you want

804
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: his past rush ability inside and so but I think

805
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: five make the team. I mean, Brent Urban, you know,

806
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: was also on this fifty three man roster last year

807
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 1: and remains as a free agent.

808
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's what we think there for the defensive line,

809
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 2: and then just to close us out there, specialist Nick

810
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 2: Moore and Jordan Stout are the long snapper and punter.

811
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 2: The debate here is at kicker, Tyler Loop or John

812
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 2: Hoyland or a veteran who's not on the team. At

813
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 2: this point. The two rookies are battling it out over

814
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 2: the course of the offseason program, and I think they'll

815
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 2: battle it out in training camp, but they're still I.

816
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: Would flint that one of them is the Ravens kicker.

817
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: That's my expectation.

818
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 2: I think Tyler Loop has the is the Ozon favorite

819
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: for the job. He was a guy that was drafted.

820
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: Ravens made it clear he was He was the one

821
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 2: that they wanted. Randy Brown, the kicking coach, uh toward

822
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 2: the country the World tour, Yeah, the World Tour and

823
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 2: landed on Tyler Loop is the guy that he wanted.

824
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,959
Speaker 2: So I think that all signs are that he would

825
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 2: end up being the guy. But there's a competition there, yep.

826
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 2: And I do think that, like depending on how those

827
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 2: guys do in training camp into preseason. That's the other

828
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 2: one that if you feel like you need to bring

829
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 2: in a veteran for some competition. That's the other spot.

830
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 2: As we look at this roster that I think that,

831
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 2: like you could, I.

832
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: Don't think you're keeping two fifty kickers on the fifty

833
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:28,240
Speaker 1: three one.

834
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 2: Spot for him, yea.

835
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: If they bring a veteran, it's it's a replacement.

836
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. And so you know, I think Loop's gonna win

837
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 2: that job. And and you know that he'll have to

838
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 2: prove himself this summer, but I think that he likely

839
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 2: ends up winning that job.

840
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: Yep. I would agree, all right, you gotta e laminate it.

841
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 2: No, not yet, not yet. This is this is in pencil.

842
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 2: This is in pencil. There's as far from Lamen. There's

843
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 2: a lot of football to be played this summer. But

844
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 2: I think that, as I said off the topic, I

845
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 2: think this team is rock solid. I think the roster

846
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 2: is in really good shape. And I think that the

847
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 2: Ravens are gonna have some tough decisions when they get

848
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 2: down to it.

849
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 1: The Ravens practice squad might be able to be some teams.

850
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 2: It's gonna be good. I mean, you're gonna look at it.

851
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 2: I mean, like I mentioned it, when you're looking at

852
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 2: some of these positions, you know, like i'd like to

853
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 2: find a way for him onto the practice squad. I'd

854
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 2: like to find a way for him on to the

855
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 2: practice squad. I like there's gonna be there's gonna be

856
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 2: good players that aren't able to make it on this

857
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 2: fifty three, which is the case every year, but I

858
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 2: think it's maybe even more so this season. And that's

859
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 2: a really good spot to be.

860
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 1: Yep, totally agree. Well, thanks for listening. Enjoy your Fourth

861
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: of July break here.

862
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 2: Hope you're all

863
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: Out having fun but still tuning in for the lens

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