Speaker 1: Welcome back all the smoke. Our next guest is one
Speaker 1: of the greatest tight ends of all time. He played
Speaker 1: on the team that used to smack this shit out
Speaker 1: of the Cowboys, super Bowl champ, two time Pro bowler.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Vernon Davis here.
Speaker 2: I say, man, I just want to say this. I'm
Speaker 2: glad my boy had dog. But every time the football
Speaker 2: players here, the Cowboys don't need to be in their introduction, bro,
Speaker 2: they don't have to. Damn, they don't have to.
Speaker 1: Hurting enough, Jack said, you take a lot of heat
Speaker 1: from a lot of UCLA energy, and forty nine of energy.
Speaker 1: Forty nine is of the team I grew up loving
Speaker 1: and to this day are my favorite team, and you
Speaker 1: for a while held down that tight end position. We
Speaker 1: actually seen each other yesterday. I just on some random
Speaker 1: shits so the Sundance Festival throwing bar brother Deon Taylor,
Speaker 1: and I found out some interesting news I didn't really
Speaker 1: know about you. So since retiring, you've been in nearly
Speaker 1: thirty TV projects and films.
Speaker 3: Roughly, yeah, thirty somewhere around there.
Speaker 1: So well so acting, directing a little bit of both.
Speaker 1: I know you like to write, like where did that
Speaker 1: passion come from and that drive after.
Speaker 3: So, when I was playing in San Francisco, we have
Speaker 3: like off season training and I would I would sneak
Speaker 3: away and I took this class at the Shelton Theater
Speaker 3: of Art downtown downtown San Francisco, and from there, I
Speaker 3: think I felt like this love and his passion for
Speaker 3: film and television. After I retired in like twenty twenty,
Speaker 3: I decided that I wanted to do film, focus on acting, producing,
Speaker 3: just everything that has to do with like filming in general.
Speaker 3: I didn't stop, but just putting my foot on the
Speaker 3: gas and just kept going. I had a partner who
Speaker 3: had a script he wanted to develop, create it. So
Speaker 3: we created it, we made it, sold it, and then
Speaker 3: after that I just kept kept seeking opportunities and found
Speaker 3: myself just doing so many made so many projects.
Speaker 1: He works with some really big names, I mean, Morgan
Speaker 1: Freeman and Bruce Willis, John Malcolm, I mean, what kind
Speaker 1: of obviously a champion in your profession and an all
Speaker 1: pro in your possession, but then you're going into another
Speaker 1: space and another craft and getting a chance to work
Speaker 1: with legendary actors.
Speaker 4: Was that like?
Speaker 1: And did you got any cool stories for me there
Speaker 1: of those guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was. It was dope, man. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie. I was kind of like I
Speaker 3: was star struggling when I met Morgan Freeman. I grew
Speaker 3: up watching this dude and be able to share the
Speaker 3: screen with him, right. It was just just amazing man.
Speaker 3: But his work ethic at eighty something years old, it
Speaker 3: tells me why he is the way he is. Who
Speaker 3: is I mean, he was on set, he was he
Speaker 3: was asking questions like he was like he just started. Uh.
Speaker 3: He was the first one on set, the last one
Speaker 3: to lead, and that really inspired me.
Speaker 1: We got a chance to sit down Ryan Coogler about
Speaker 1: a month ago, and he was just telling us, you know,
Speaker 1: as athletes, we have this innate ability to you know,
Speaker 1: focus and be at the top of our craft. And
Speaker 1: if we're able to take that focus into another space
Speaker 1: with that same hard work and dedication, we were successful
Speaker 1: in it. Someone spoke on it on the panel we
Speaker 1: were on yesterday, just about the dedication and getting those
Speaker 1: hours in. I mean, this is something you felt fully
Speaker 1: entrenched in since retiring. Is this is kind of your
Speaker 1: second act so to speak.
Speaker 3: True passion, desire, love that I have. It's kind of
Speaker 3: therapeutic for me to be able to tap into different characters,
Speaker 3: whether it's acting or writing or just you know, just
Speaker 3: tell them the story in general. And you know, when
Speaker 3: you go through so much in life, you need that healing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and uh, that's what it That's what it does for me.
Speaker 3: I was actually having a conversation with with Destry Destriy Spielberg.
Speaker 3: We have a movie coming out as well, These Don't
Speaker 3: Feed the Children, and we was kind of just talking
Speaker 3: about some of these things as well not too long ago.
Speaker 3: It's just therapeutic pretty much.
Speaker 2: You also a trained painter and a sculptor. With all
Speaker 2: these sculptures getting made for players and stuff these days,
Speaker 2: what's your opinion you think you can do better?
Speaker 4: A better AI shuit? Was this big?
Speaker 2: The way it looked like a little African baby.
Speaker 4: Like, I don't know, bro, we need some help. What's
Speaker 4: your opinion on that?
Speaker 2: You are to train painting and sculptures, so we need
Speaker 2: your opinion on some of these statues over the place, man,
Speaker 2: they're all over the place. Yeah yeah, but like, like,
Speaker 2: how did you get into that? Well, just just a
Speaker 2: sculpting and painting.
Speaker 3: That's crazy, I know, about that. I don't even really
Speaker 3: talk about that too much, but it's started in school
Speaker 3: at University of Maryland, I took a class I changed
Speaker 3: my major from criminal justice. You know, let athletes take
Speaker 3: criminal justice. We don't know what the hell we want
Speaker 3: to do, so you know, yeah, yeah, yes, I was
Speaker 3: a criminal justice. And then I saw my teammates coming
Speaker 3: in with these canvases and sculptures, and I was like, damn,
Speaker 3: I want to do that, and I just changed my major.
Speaker 1: And I saw d Wade to try to justify this
Speaker 1: and said they worked on it.
Speaker 4: I just they worked on with them, Wade.
Speaker 1: Don't let them do that to you.
Speaker 2: Bro that right, you're my dogs. You're also obsessed with
Speaker 2: Caroland the Olympic sport. Talk about that. How did you
Speaker 2: get into that?
Speaker 3: It's talking to my grandmother about that when she was
Speaker 3: when I was a kid, to kind of give you
Speaker 3: the backstorm. When I was a kid, man, I was.
Speaker 3: I was involved in so many different things, man, from soccer, baseball,
Speaker 3: back basketball, football. I just started playing football to tenth grade. Damn.
Speaker 3: I was always playing basketball. Me and Kevin Durant, you
Speaker 3: play played against him. He was at Montrose Christian. I
Speaker 3: was at this public school called Dumball.
Speaker 1: I mean, keep your thought. But what were those battles like, oh.
Speaker 3: Man, it was he and Patrick ew and son Patrick
Speaker 3: and they had they were too good for.
Speaker 1: Usuh huh, Like in high school, was just cold that
Speaker 1: same way.
Speaker 3: Skinny cold shoot, very fundamental and just he was just
Speaker 3: a hooper man since day one, going back, Yeah, I
Speaker 3: was my grandmother. I was just involved in so many
Speaker 3: different things. And I think what happened when I got drafted,
Speaker 3: you know, my my true personality and like who I
Speaker 3: really was started to come out, and I just took
Speaker 3: a lik into so many different things. One of the
Speaker 3: writers in San Francisco came to me, she was like,
Speaker 3: you should try Caroland. And I didn't know anything about Caroland.
Speaker 3: I didn't know nothing about it. So I tried the
Speaker 3: Team US Team USA Team heard about it. They invited
Speaker 3: me to Vancouver and then from there I was just
Speaker 3: with them all the way. And that's how I got.
Speaker 1: Are you nice at it?
Speaker 4: Though?
Speaker 1: I'm okay, yeah, okay, there's nothing more where they sweep
Speaker 1: the brush right in front of it and they slide
Speaker 1: the thing down.
Speaker 4: You gotta landed in the area, right, you know, Carland
Speaker 4: This is all I know. I ain't never ain't no
Speaker 4: ice in the hood.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I didn't know nothing about it.
Speaker 3: You think the DMV got the best hoopers. It's a
Speaker 3: lot of talent come out of it. But I wouldn't
Speaker 3: say the best. Nah, I don't know. I wouldn't say
Speaker 3: the best.
Speaker 2: Now, a lot of talent, A lot of time. We
Speaker 2: all got into little trouble growing up. You got into
Speaker 2: little trouble as well. Yeah, did that help keep you straight?
Speaker 2: That experience?
Speaker 3: I think my trouble started early, though. I mean it
Speaker 3: was for some reason.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: I got arrested twice in sixth grade, and uh, you.
Speaker 1: Got to be doing something to get a wrestled in
Speaker 1: sixth grade. I mean you know, I went to I
Speaker 1: went to the principal's office a whole lot of times.
Speaker 3: I wasn't Yeah, exactly too.
Speaker 1: Yeah you're not talking about for stealing cigarettes.
Speaker 2: I was on for It was a kid that stayed
Speaker 2: behind my house and we were just some dumb kids
Speaker 2: and was walking home.
Speaker 4: I just didn't like him. I hit him in the hour.
Speaker 4: I had a lock on my hand, hit him in.
Speaker 2: And his mama brought him to my house afterwards, and
Speaker 2: told my mama and self that press charge on the Yeah,
Speaker 2: drug tests all that. Yeah, probation's probation. I don't give
Speaker 2: for what your wage, you is, it's probation.
Speaker 1: Got in a little bit of trouble when you.
Speaker 3: Was younger, Yeah, a little trouble. And then I, you know,
Speaker 3: I started to get my life together, man. But it's
Speaker 3: you know, I come and y'all too, I mean, especially
Speaker 3: you for you know, being able to be in that environment,
Speaker 3: using an environment we both were, but we were able
Speaker 3: to change our focus and change our mindset and do
Speaker 3: something bigger and better. You know, And and I talk
Speaker 3: about this all the time. If we can be in
Speaker 3: that environment. You know, a lot of times you probably
Speaker 3: get people say, uh, be careful you hanging around, don't
Speaker 3: let them in your space, don't let them in your circle.
Speaker 3: They got this going on. But you got this going on.
Speaker 3: I think back, I said, you know where I came from,
Speaker 3: I was already in a space. Everybody be in any environment,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna affect the people that are around me. They're not
Speaker 3: gonna affect me.
Speaker 4: He had it in this house though. That was a difference.
Speaker 4: It was around me. It was in his house.
Speaker 1: But I always felt like, and that's what I did,
Speaker 1: grow up around drugs and violence, but I always felt like,
Speaker 1: similar to you, like it wasn't and people could be
Speaker 1: around me doing it, but I knew it wasn't.
Speaker 4: It wasn't me.
Speaker 1: I mean, the only thing I ever wanted to do
Speaker 1: with smoke. We went out because I like to smell
Speaker 1: when I was younger, and it stuck with my whole life.
Speaker 1: But I didn't seen a lot of shit happen around
Speaker 1: me where it was just I ain't judging, do you
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? But I could still be
Speaker 1: in that environment and still be myself and be fine
Speaker 1: and make it out.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So you've always been notorious for your work ethic. Is
Speaker 2: it true that you can catch tennis balls?
Speaker 4: Yeah? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got I got a tennis ball. I used
Speaker 3: to keep a tennis ball machine because I felt like
Speaker 3: hand eye coordination was really important. So after practice, I
Speaker 3: would go into garage and you know, kind of just
Speaker 3: catch with one hand and just kind of keep the
Speaker 3: hand eye coordination.
Speaker 1: That's crazy, I'm just coming. That's dope. What's this video?
Speaker 4: He's curling?
Speaker 3: You know what? Man? It's just as it's interesting.
Speaker 4: It's touch.
Speaker 3: I think anybody to get out there.
Speaker 5: I mean like when I first saw too, I was like, man,
Speaker 5: this is this is probably the craziest sport I've ever
Speaker 5: seen in my life. But actually being out there and
Speaker 5: and just being just it's kind of like.
Speaker 3: It's like playing golf or anything else something we know
Speaker 3: you don't play. You didn't grow up playing golf, right,
Speaker 3: don't play it all the time, but just the just
Speaker 3: the joy of being out there and once you once
Speaker 3: you like laying that stone on that spot, it's kind
Speaker 3: of like you achieved something.
Speaker 1: And you can have a bad day and then have
Speaker 1: one good toss and want to bring you back the
Speaker 1: next time.
Speaker 2: Exactly what's more important? The people with the brooms at
Speaker 2: the end are your touch from letting it go.
Speaker 3: I think they're both equally important. Broom. What the broom does?
Speaker 3: It melts the ice. The ice is like pebble. So
Speaker 3: when you when you're doing that, you're speeding, speeding the
Speaker 3: stone up that it might be sliding too slow, but
Speaker 3: when you sweep it speeds it up and then you
Speaker 3: can carry it a lot further.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: High school teammates with the legendary tournament Josh Cribs. What
Speaker 1: was it like as you guys are a combo in
Speaker 1: high school?
Speaker 3: He was probably one of the most talented players I've
Speaker 3: ever seen. I mean he played everything. He played safety,
Speaker 3: he was playing he played basketball for three years. He
Speaker 3: was actually one of the one of the one of
Speaker 3: the best players we had on the team. So basketball
Speaker 3: and football, play quarterback, he could do it all. So
Speaker 3: just you know, just being around him and his energy
Speaker 3: was like, like really it was.
Speaker 1: Was he older than you?
Speaker 3: Two years two years old?
Speaker 1: So little brother again pro bowler. Big brother did his thing.
Speaker 1: You take any credit for a little bro doing his thing.
Speaker 1: What were the battles like when you guys are younger?
Speaker 4: He was.
Speaker 3: He was four years younger. So growing up, it was
Speaker 3: never it was never really, it wasn't really any competition
Speaker 3: because I was always the older gap, big gap. But
Speaker 3: I used to I used to really, like, you know,
Speaker 3: put all I could and in him to make sure
Speaker 3: that he was prepared and ready, you know, to achieve greatness.
Speaker 1: What are some of the Titans you looked up to
Speaker 1: as you were coming.
Speaker 3: Up Antonio Gates, Tony Gonzalez, all hoopers. Yeah, h yeah,
Speaker 3: And I looked up the t O t O was
Speaker 3: like he was a wide receiver, buddy. I still felt
Speaker 3: like he has something that I you know, He's just
Speaker 3: very inspiring to me the way he played the game.
Speaker 1: How do you feel basketball helped you on the football field?
Speaker 3: My ability to be able to get in and out
Speaker 3: of transitions as a bad basket I mean you you
Speaker 3: never really know how to shape you until you play basketball.
Speaker 3: That's a different kind of I mean just cardio, but
Speaker 3: just the mobility you need to to be a great athlete.
Speaker 3: I feel like the best football players are basketball player.
Speaker 1: So there was a it was probably last year where
Speaker 1: there was a big debate on it would it be
Speaker 1: easier for a football player to hop into basketball or
Speaker 1: a basketball player to hop into football at the pro level.
Speaker 1: You've played both obviously pro and football. What what what
Speaker 1: do you think would be easier to.
Speaker 3: Do basketball hopping into football? Yeah? Sure, yeah, football player,
Speaker 3: unless you I mean unless you like it.
Speaker 1: Just you gotta be different.
Speaker 3: Different.
Speaker 1: There's some dudes out there.
Speaker 3: I watched Travis Hunter.
Speaker 4: It's something.
Speaker 2: But it's some basketball players that feel like that about
Speaker 2: football too, that.
Speaker 1: They just think it's easy man.
Speaker 4: Motherfuckers.
Speaker 2: I know, I know a lot of the motherfuckers saw
Speaker 2: they couldn't go out there and get pushed down and
Speaker 2: face man one face mask. They're gonna be flopping and
Speaker 2: ship and doing like this.
Speaker 4: Man. Look every face mad.
Speaker 1: Right flopping football?
Speaker 2: Can you They'll try it? Maryland Football two thousand and
Speaker 2: three to five? Stayed home? What was what was your
Speaker 2: choice for doing that?
Speaker 3: My grandmother raised me and my six siblings, so I
Speaker 3: wanted to stay home, and you know, kind of you're
Speaker 3: the oldest I know this ship, so I wanted to
Speaker 3: help her out and just just be around in case
Speaker 3: she needed anything.
Speaker 2: You was super freak at the combine four three in
Speaker 2: the forty two and foot broad jump, thirty thy reps
Speaker 2: on the bench, prep on press.
Speaker 4: Bro You're just just be compared.
Speaker 1: Yeah, bro on, you just run through them numbers like nothing,
Speaker 1: bro A four to three? What a two fifty to
Speaker 1: sixty fifty two fifty crazy, thirty three on the bench,
Speaker 1: ten foot broad like them numbers are off the chart.
Speaker 4: Also, you you was a what was your max bench?
Speaker 3: I did two? I did two twenty five like thirty
Speaker 3: three times. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 4: What's the most what's max though.
Speaker 3: That's how I got my money.
Speaker 4: I think I can max you up most of the
Speaker 4: thirty five.
Speaker 1: He said that bench press got you paid.
Speaker 3: More than I had those days over with. I just
Speaker 3: I just think about it.
Speaker 1: You're right, what was I mean? You were at the
Speaker 1: peak of athleticism and strength and skill boxing a big
Speaker 1: ass body.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was for some reason. I was able to
Speaker 3: like maintain my speed and and just put on put
Speaker 3: on weight, and I just I just kept it, always
Speaker 3: been able to run. I just kept it for some reason.
Speaker 4: Speak to how important it is to be a tight
Speaker 4: end that can catch and block.
Speaker 3: Being a tight end that can do it all is
Speaker 3: is very important because now they can utilize you in
Speaker 3: so many different spaces. You can line up out wide.
Speaker 3: I know when I was playing, they lined I would
Speaker 3: line out about wide, I would get in the backfield,
Speaker 3: I would be at the point of attack online on
Speaker 3: the line. And you know, just it makes you very versatile,
Speaker 3: and it makes it instead of like when Antonio Gates
Speaker 3: was playing, not knocking his game or anything, but they
Speaker 3: would take him out whenever they needed, like run. But
Speaker 3: you know, when you when you got the whole package,
Speaker 3: you can just stay.
Speaker 2: In giving me your welcome to the NFL moment, Like
Speaker 2: did a linebacker d Lineman bring your bell where he
Speaker 2: was looking at stars?
Speaker 3: I think John Lynch. He hit me and I went
Speaker 3: to that sideline.
Speaker 1: Said I want to be on your team.
Speaker 4: That's one of them guys too.
Speaker 3: That's one of them guys.
Speaker 1: Man hit me so hard, man, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: I remember that day.
Speaker 1: I remember that day barely, but I remember. Let's play
Speaker 1: a game. Build your perfect tight end. Who would you
Speaker 1: pick for blocking? And don't you throw yourself in there
Speaker 1: whenever you feel fit.
Speaker 3: I picked George Kittle for blocking.
Speaker 1: Okay, route running.
Speaker 3: Tonio Gates, nice speed, Oh to put me in an
Speaker 3: easy call? Hands hands, I'm I have to say, Travis
Speaker 3: Kelce iq IQ, Tony Gonzalez physicality, Shannon Show.
Speaker 1: Oh that's a hell of a list right there.
Speaker 4: God damn great list.
Speaker 1: Two thousand and six first round pick by the forty
Speaker 1: nine or so, you from the DC area, went to
Speaker 1: college there with your first impression, coming all the way
Speaker 1: across the country to California.
Speaker 3: I was like, man, this is far. I was like, man,
Speaker 3: this is far. But I you know, I was ready.
Speaker 3: I was just so excited to play with the team,
Speaker 3: and I was you know, I saw the houses in
Speaker 3: the hills. I was like, man, I gotta get me
Speaker 3: one of the houses. And I was just I was
Speaker 3: just motivated, man by the by an environment team and
Speaker 3: just you know, just trying to, you know, make a
Speaker 3: name for myself as far as sports goes.
Speaker 1: Coach singletary, legendary linebackers. Sometimes great players transition into coaching. Well,
Speaker 1: sometimes they don't. I think there was mixed because I
Speaker 1: was I mean, I was a huge fan at the time,
Speaker 1: and I always meant the media some people love them,
Speaker 1: some people hate him. Here's a viral clip of him
Speaker 1: calling you out.
Speaker 6: No, no, you don't want me to go much further,
Speaker 6: go out ahead, ask the question veron vernon just it
Speaker 6: was something that I told everybody at the very beginning
Speaker 6: of the week. I will now tolerate players that think
Speaker 6: it's about them when it's about the team and we
Speaker 6: cannot make we cannot make decisions that costs the team
Speaker 6: and then come off the sideline and it's nonchalant. No,
Speaker 6: you know what, this is how I believe Okay, I'm
Speaker 6: from the old school.
Speaker 3: I believe this. I would rather play with ten people.
Speaker 6: And just get penalized all the way until we got
Speaker 6: to do something else rather than play with eleven. When
Speaker 6: I know that right now, that person is not sold
Speaker 6: out to be a part of this team. It is
Speaker 6: more about them than it is about the team. Cannot
Speaker 6: play with them, cannot win with them, cannot coach with them,
Speaker 6: can't do it.
Speaker 4: I want winners. I want people that want to win.
Speaker 1: So when you see that, obviously taking yourself back to
Speaker 1: that moment, I mean that's a that's an attack of
Speaker 1: public attack at that age and then now being removed
Speaker 1: from the game for a while and being in your
Speaker 1: older age. Take us through both mindsets seeing that, and
Speaker 1: take us through your mindset when you're hearing that as
Speaker 1: a player at the time.
Speaker 3: But the time, I was like, man, this dude throwing
Speaker 3: me under the bus. I was like, man, this is crazy.
Speaker 3: I was like many at they about to get rid
Speaker 3: of me.
Speaker 1: What year was that for you?
Speaker 3: That was yeah, that's like yeah three, okay, yeah. And
Speaker 3: now you know, being older version, you know myself and
Speaker 3: you know, just thinking back about it, I think it's
Speaker 3: something that I deserved. I'm related to to be able
Speaker 3: to have that happen to me, because I think it
Speaker 3: really helped put me in a position too to have
Speaker 3: a great career. So I'm just thankful for the moment
Speaker 3: and thankful for him because after that, I mean, we
Speaker 3: created we had a great relationship.
Speaker 1: I mean, he wrote the forward note in your book.
Speaker 1: But I think you said something that's profound at the moment.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously it takes time when you're older and
Speaker 1: you see it at that moment. Did it click in
Speaker 1: outside of it or was it first like damn fuck
Speaker 1: he thrown me under the bus or from the rip
Speaker 1: where you able to use it as motivation and kind
Speaker 1: of find your way.
Speaker 3: No, I was just laying back. I was I was
Speaker 3: laying back. I was in the bill with my kids mom,
Speaker 3: and it came on TV. I didn't know he did it,
Speaker 3: and I'm looking I'm like, shit, she looking at me.
Speaker 3: I'm looking at it, and I was like man. I
Speaker 3: was like, this is crazy.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: But it didn't hit me until like after we had
Speaker 3: a conversation, cause I walked into his office. He was
Speaker 3: sitting there. I walked in and I was crying. He
Speaker 3: was crying, and he was like, son, you got you
Speaker 3: got the ability to be the best, the best tight
Speaker 3: end in the League, you could change the game. And uh,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm listening. I'm here, and I'm like, man,
Speaker 3: I think, you know, if I do everything you tell
Speaker 3: me to do, I can possibly tap into some good stuff.
Speaker 3: So you know I did, And that next year I
Speaker 3: went to the Pro Bowl, and you know, I started
Speaker 3: to just become a dynamic player.
Speaker 1: Now, question, I feel like that's it's it's old Like
Speaker 1: as he said, I'm from the old school, and we
Speaker 1: all came up in the old school. Today, I feel
Speaker 1: like if that happens on any level, kids run, kids transfer,
Speaker 1: kids jump in the transfer port, they try to change teams.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on just the movement in sports now?
Speaker 1: And and and I only asked because I felt like
Speaker 1: all the hard knocks we went through one we just
Speaker 1: saw yours. It gave us character, he gave us, you know, resiliency.
Speaker 1: We learned a lot of lessons from shit like that.
Speaker 1: But I feel like nowadays, if there's any real pushback
Speaker 1: or coaches get in your face, cuts you like, they're gone.
Speaker 1: Kids are gone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think players are soft now, you know. I
Speaker 3: think they saw that when we were playing, Like, you know,
Speaker 3: we're there at the same time. But you know, during
Speaker 3: that time, it was hard coaching, man, just everything was tough, hard,
Speaker 3: and like nowadays it ain't. I mean even I look
Speaker 3: at my son sometimes. Man, the way they move around
Speaker 3: and operate is just crazy to me.
Speaker 4: They don't want to be held accountable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's it's just crazy that that. I mean
Speaker 3: this the culture.
Speaker 1: I mean this, you think do you think it's social
Speaker 1: media and the instat gratification with the showing on the Highland.
Speaker 1: You could lose the game and still have a mixtape
Speaker 1: or show your highlights and your team just got is
Speaker 1: it is it? Is?
Speaker 7: It?
Speaker 1: Is it the social media play hand in it? Or
Speaker 1: we worked our asses off so hard to give the
Speaker 1: kids the life we never have, so now maybe that
Speaker 1: plays a hand in it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. I think it's it's definitely the
Speaker 3: social media. How the way life has changed now. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's where we're at now with with everything. Uh, they
Speaker 3: just have I think they have too much access to
Speaker 3: to things that we didn't have a lot of.
Speaker 1: Accent Well, we had to work for ship, we had
Speaker 1: to work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just it's just different, man. It's just a
Speaker 3: different way of living now.
Speaker 1: And I hate to even sound like old people talking
Speaker 1: like this. But it's weird, Like there's a weird shift.
Speaker 1: And it's not that we're hating. It's just it was
Speaker 1: a different grind when we were coming up in a
Speaker 1: different level of reward each step, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I couldn't matter you. We used to fuck around, like
Speaker 1: I remember, we get all a little pel grant checks
Speaker 1: at UCLA for like twenty five hundre. You couldn't tell
Speaker 1: me shit like I thought. You know, I ran Westwood,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But I couldn't imagine having
Speaker 1: a half a million dollars a couple of million dollars
Speaker 1: at that age like there with no guy like I
Speaker 1: came from nothing. So that kind of freedom and money
Speaker 1: is scary for some of these kids because to me,
Speaker 1: I make it. It makes me think, you know, you let
Speaker 1: your foot off the gas a little bit now because
Speaker 1: you have what obviously we had to fight for and
Speaker 1: get in the pros. You have it now in college.
Speaker 3: That's that's a good out look. I mean, like I wouldn't.
Speaker 3: I don't think I would want what they have right now. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: because like you said, I was, My goal is to
Speaker 3: make it pro you know, change the not dynamic of
Speaker 3: my family. Mm hmm, you know, and that's what my
Speaker 3: eyes when I say, I always say it. And I
Speaker 3: told my brother, I say, I'm gonna do three years
Speaker 3: of college. You're going to do three years of college.
Speaker 3: You're not doing four years, and I'll be in and out.
Speaker 3: You know, That's what we did because we wanted to.
Speaker 3: We were just so hungry to to just go after
Speaker 3: what we what we wanted.
Speaker 1: Our thoughts on college kids being twenty five, twenty six,
Speaker 1: twenty seven year old now playing like, I don't mind
Speaker 1: if you're in college, but playing sports, college sports, that
Speaker 1: the age. What is your thoughts?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's uh, that's different man.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: You know, I guess a lot of it has to
Speaker 3: do with nil, right, And it seems as if these
Speaker 3: college rather have an older guy than taking a guy
Speaker 3: out of school.
Speaker 1: But that's what college is supposed to be, right, College
Speaker 1: is supposed to be you know that that next step.
Speaker 1: But to your point, the maturity and the experience of
Speaker 1: these kids that are damn near thirty years old with
Speaker 1: two kids, you know, like, do you take a twenty
Speaker 1: six year old that's played four years and red traded
Speaker 1: two years over an eighteen year old.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's play back to fix you, my brother.
Speaker 2: Is it true that Singatarrey wrote a distract about you
Speaker 2: and performed in the front of the squad and then
Speaker 2: dropped the mic like.
Speaker 3: District Yeah, I don't know where y'all get on the
Speaker 3: it's crazy. Yeah it was. I think it was me
Speaker 3: and Crabtree because me and Michael Krabbtree was like, I
Speaker 3: don't know something we did. I think we might have
Speaker 3: bumped heads or it was something that happened, and he, uh,
Speaker 3: he made a track about us. He freestyted, I say
Speaker 3: that ship it's pretty bad.
Speaker 4: I know it was weak.
Speaker 2: Back to fiction, Singletary dropped his pants during the halftime
Speaker 2: speech and pointed us, but to illustrate what he thought
Speaker 2: of y'all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he said, we basically pulled our pants down and
Speaker 3: bent over.
Speaker 4: So bad. Yeah. Two facts, that's two facts. Back to fiction.
Speaker 2: Singatary built an actual heel at the forty nine ers
Speaker 2: head quarters to build character.
Speaker 4: Two name the pain? Is that true? He named it
Speaker 4: pa Mike was home.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I forgot what he named it, but he did
Speaker 3: build a hill man. It was a man made hill
Speaker 3: and we walked out what he called it page.
Speaker 1: Mike was a full Kaepernick becomes a starting quarterback midway
Speaker 1: through the twenty twelve season, taking Alex Smith's job as
Speaker 1: a tight end. What's that adjustment like, going from something
Speaker 1: you're very accustomed to to something new. Obviously he was
Speaker 1: at the time was a run first guy, uh in
Speaker 1: the offense, So I'm sure your role in the offense
Speaker 1: changed a little bit.
Speaker 3: You know. It's always good that when you build chemistry
Speaker 3: with a quarterback, but to be able to when that
Speaker 3: when that shifts and you have a change, now you
Speaker 3: gotta work with somebody else that could be that can
Speaker 3: be extremely difficult. But for some reason, Kaepernick was able
Speaker 3: to come in and and just I mean he hit
Speaker 3: the ground running I mean literally yeah, literally and passing,
Speaker 3: So he was it was it was it was a
Speaker 3: smooth transition, you know, going from one quarterback to another.
Speaker 1: What was it like that? Because he's like he's a mystery,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, He's one of them quarterbacks
Speaker 1: that popped up on the scene and really did his thing.
Speaker 1: And then obviously we'll get into you know, taking the
Speaker 1: knee later, but what was the aura about him? What
Speaker 1: kind of leader was he? What kind of worker study
Speaker 1: or was he what kind of player and do was he?
Speaker 3: He was good? Kaepernick was Uh, he was just determined, man.
Speaker 3: He was so determined.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: I remember when he first came in. He was he
Speaker 3: just wanted to play. All he wanted to do was
Speaker 3: just play. Still to this day, to this day, he
Speaker 3: just he just wanted to play. He he would sit
Speaker 3: there he I mean, and in practice he was just man,
Speaker 3: he just went off in practice.
Speaker 1: He was killing practice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was always killing it in practice. So then
Speaker 3: when he had the opportunity with I think Alex Smith
Speaker 3: got a concussion and then they just moved him right in.
Speaker 3: They knew he was Yeah, I was good. He was good.
Speaker 3: He at first he starts small and slow, and I
Speaker 3: guess that's because you know all the different offense coordinators.
Speaker 3: But uh, but yeah, Cap Cap Alex could play. Cap
Speaker 3: could play. But but then there was this moment where
Speaker 3: I don't know, It's like it's like he hit a wall. Cap, Yeah,
Speaker 3: he hit a wall.
Speaker 1: I just how far into it you feel like he
Speaker 1: hit a wall?
Speaker 3: Like he had those first two years where he was
Speaker 3: just playing at a high level, and then something just happened.
Speaker 3: So it's like he couldn't I don't know, he wasn't
Speaker 3: doing he wasn't the same Kaepernick anymore. Really, Yeah, it
Speaker 3: was it was it was, I don't know, it was crazy.
Speaker 4: He wasn't seeing the game the same something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't like yeah, it was just like his
Speaker 3: throws were off. Just everything was just off man about him. Everything,
Speaker 3: and then the team, the team just like imploded, from
Speaker 3: upper management to the locker room. Everything just it was crazy.
Speaker 1: Jim Harbor takes over. What kind of experience was that
Speaker 1: and what kind of coaches he?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Hardball came in. It just turned the whole program around.
Speaker 3: When he came in, we I mean we went to
Speaker 3: the playoffs instantly that first that first first year he
Speaker 3: was there. He was a great coach man. He was
Speaker 3: he was everything that we needed, you know, his charisma's attitude.
Speaker 3: I remember one time he came out and you know,
Speaker 3: we thought we had a new a new quarterback. It
Speaker 3: was turned around. It was Hardball. He was suited. He
Speaker 3: was out there thrown with the practice squad and he
Speaker 3: was just he was He's an interesting character. Sure.
Speaker 1: Uh twenty twelve Super Bowl Niners versus the Ravens. I
Speaker 1: remember I was playing with the Clippers at the time.
Speaker 1: We were on the road and we were all watching it
Speaker 1: in the hotel. First of all, the experience of being
Speaker 1: in your first Super Bowl, what was that like?
Speaker 3: That was like a dream come true, you know because
Speaker 3: we the reason why we played this game is to
Speaker 3: win a championship, want to ring, so to be able
Speaker 3: to make it there, it was, I mean it was.
Speaker 3: It was a true blessing man. But uh, it's always
Speaker 3: that bad taste you get in your mouth when you
Speaker 3: don't capitalize on the moment. And we did it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you guys were off to a great
Speaker 1: start in that first half and then what was the
Speaker 1: explanation with the lights?
Speaker 4: Like, what the fuck happened?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: The power just went out of the whole stadium.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the whole stadium. But it worked in our favor
Speaker 3: because we were down and then we just for some reason,
Speaker 3: we came out of the locker room. We won't fly.
Speaker 3: We should have won that game.
Speaker 4: But.
Speaker 3: It just wasn't in our time.
Speaker 1: What'd you learn from it?
Speaker 3: I learned that I learned to appreciate every moment. You'll
Speaker 3: just appreciate the moment, even if if you win or lose,
Speaker 3: just appreciate it. And always do your very best.
Speaker 1: You went against the hell of a defense, Ed Reid,
Speaker 1: ray Lewis, Suggs. What was that Baltimore defense?
Speaker 3: Like, they had a pretty good defense. Ray Lewis was
Speaker 3: on his way out the door because he was he
Speaker 3: wasn't the saying ray Lewis that he once was, but
Speaker 3: he could still play at a high level. I felt
Speaker 3: like they were good. But we definitely, you know, if
Speaker 3: you go back and look at that game, we we
Speaker 3: we did our thing as an offense. We showed up.
Speaker 3: Start off slow, but we showed up. But that was
Speaker 3: they had a pretty good defense, even with Torell Suggs
Speaker 3: ye playing the end of the line.
Speaker 4: They was out there laying people out, wasn't they?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think, I think yeah. But we had some we
Speaker 3: had some hitters on dogs too. Yeah. Yeah, that's where
Speaker 3: we had de Sean Goldsen, the Dante Whitney who changed
Speaker 3: his name at the end of the season, called to
Speaker 3: hitting her.
Speaker 1: John still work out at the gym with me.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, yeah, change the name of what he changed
Speaker 3: his last name to Hitner Whittner to hit her just
Speaker 3: due he was hit so he was hitting. I mean,
Speaker 3: they was they was just they was just laying the
Speaker 3: wood man everybody.
Speaker 4: And it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Then, dudes, Jack, when you see them, do they not
Speaker 1: that big? Yeah, they're not that big. It's crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Were you still playing when the rules started to transition
Speaker 1: a little bit to really protect the receivers or did you?
Speaker 1: You got all the old NFL?
Speaker 3: I got most of the old Well no, because I
Speaker 3: retired in twenty twenty, so you know, the rooster I
Speaker 3: wanted to change a bit.
Speaker 1: How much How much of an advantage was that for
Speaker 1: you with them, you know, taking certain areas they couldn't
Speaker 1: hit you in and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't really think it changed too much because you know,
Speaker 3: football was always going to be football as long as
Speaker 3: you have had those paths on guys hitting. I mean,
Speaker 3: you can't stop with collision. Yeah, so you were still
Speaker 3: I mean that's when I retired. I had a concussion,
Speaker 3: that's my last. That's why I ended up wearing glasses
Speaker 3: because of my last.
Speaker 4: How many concussions do you think you have? A six? Seven?
Speaker 1: Do you feel the repercussions of the concussions that to this.
Speaker 3: Day other than wearing glasses? That's about it. Okay, So no,
Speaker 3: issues like anxiety. I get anxiety.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's something anything that has to be treated from
Speaker 1: those or just stuff you outside of the glasses, just
Speaker 1: lots of stuff. You could just deal with.
Speaker 3: This anxiety stuff that's okay. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Interesting twenty thirteen Conference Championship against the Legion the Boom Seahawks.
Speaker 1: I hated that team. Richard Sermony Camp chance for Earl Thomas.
Speaker 1: Outside of that team, where does their home crowd rank
Speaker 1: as far as tough environments.
Speaker 3: To play in scale of one to ten, ten being
Speaker 3: the greatest? Ten're that good? Yeah? You can't, I mean
Speaker 3: you can't hear anything really, Yeah, we gotta. We literally
Speaker 3: have to like come like if the huddles like this,
Speaker 3: we come like this. Yeah it's that loud?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Is that loud? Yeah? It's crazy.
Speaker 1: You guys have some legendary battles against them. Man, what
Speaker 1: was it like going? I mean, those are guys' rivals
Speaker 1: in the NFC West. What were those games like?
Speaker 3: Very intense? Very intense. We I mean, we did not
Speaker 3: like each other. You know, you asked Marshaun Lunch, He'll
Speaker 3: tell you anytime. We didn't like each other at all,
Speaker 3: and we knew that we had to play extremely hard
Speaker 3: in that game because those dudes are gonna bring it.
Speaker 3: I mean that defense they had, oh man, you probably
Speaker 3: can compare that defense to what they had in Baltimore.
Speaker 4: It was you had to go.
Speaker 1: The road to the championship ran through the Seattle for
Speaker 1: forty nine ers for a while.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Camp Chancellor Richard Sherman. I mean they had
Speaker 3: some They have some dudes over there.
Speaker 2: Twenty fifteen, you get traded to Denver. Two questions. What
Speaker 2: was your thoughts going to Denver? And as your first
Speaker 2: year of leaving San Francisco that's when the kneel and
Speaker 2: stuff happens with cap What was your thoughts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so when I got traded, I got traded. I
Speaker 3: didn't even know I was gonna get traded. Man, I
Speaker 3: had I had a pretty good game. I mean I
Speaker 3: let the team and catches that game, and next thing,
Speaker 3: you know, I wake up in the morning. GM text
Speaker 3: me and say, hey, you know, come see me. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: so I go in. You know, he got some teams
Speaker 3: on the board. Denver's one of them. He's asking me,
Speaker 3: He's pretty much telling me that Denver is the best
Speaker 3: situation for me. I go to Denver and you know,
Speaker 3: we ended up winning the Super Bowl that year back
Speaker 3: in Levi Stadium, and then all this stuff with Kappernick
Speaker 3: was happening, with the kneeling, and I just didn't under
Speaker 3: you know, to me, I didn't, I didn't. It caught
Speaker 3: me by surprise. I didn't. I never knew that that
Speaker 3: was a mission for Cap. You know, he never really
Speaker 3: showed any signs of him supporting any causes or anything
Speaker 3: like that. I know, I did know that he was
Speaker 3: in a space where he wasn't the same kapenis. So
Speaker 3: they did put when I was there, they did put
Speaker 3: Blaine Gabar in m That was right, mm hmm. And
Speaker 3: then he h you know, he pretty much took the
Speaker 3: back seat. And after that, I guess that's when all
Speaker 3: the stuff I started to happen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, how would you have handled the locker room views?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 4: With that going on?
Speaker 3: Me personally, I probably would have wanted to.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: I think it just causes a lot of I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, I think it's a great cause of what
Speaker 3: he was supporting for sure, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 3: I mean, everything he's done has been bigger than Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, he's he's a he's a major,
Speaker 3: he's a star from what he was doing, you know,
Speaker 3: he he he sacrificed a lot. It's one of those
Speaker 3: things though, where you know, if you got a career
Speaker 3: and you're trying to become the best in the sport,
Speaker 3: you're trying to win a suit, a championship, I think
Speaker 3: all that stuff becomes a distraction. Though, you know, it's
Speaker 3: it's a great it's a great call. It's something that
Speaker 3: we we should all come together and see how can
Speaker 3: we make this better and bigger? Right, But it's a
Speaker 3: time and place for it. But for me, I would
Speaker 3: want to probably get out of there and go to
Speaker 3: a team with with with with the atmosphere winning, focusing
Speaker 3: on winning a championship.
Speaker 4: Respect.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I want.
Speaker 2: I was what was your thoughts going on with a
Speaker 2: great like paid man? Oh man, he was run your
Speaker 2: numbers up.
Speaker 3: He was different. It was different man, he was he was.
Speaker 3: I mean he was a different type of guy. I
Speaker 3: mean playing with all the quarterbacks I played with, but
Speaker 3: watching him he moved different the way he operated. But
Speaker 3: the crazy parts that when he threw it was a game.
Speaker 3: He threw like four or five interceptions. They took him out.
Speaker 3: The only reason why he got his job back is
Speaker 3: because the quarterback brought Oswald he was, Yeah, he was.
Speaker 3: He started like tripping, he started messing up, like struggling,
Speaker 3: so they put Peyton back in. But if that wouldn't
Speaker 3: happen Peyton when he got a job, and this.
Speaker 1: Is during the season, y'all want a super Bowl?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Crazy?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: What was it like though? I mean, obviously he's known
Speaker 1: for the audibles at the line and his work ethics.
Speaker 1: He was a little bit older when you got him.
Speaker 1: But what can you see the brilliance? Oh yeah, can
Speaker 1: you see the brilliance and remember the brilliance like it
Speaker 1: was yesterday?
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. He would take over the room like normally
Speaker 3: typically the offensive coordinator standing, they going through the plays
Speaker 3: and things of that nature, but Peyton would be the
Speaker 3: guy out there. Oh really, yeah, it was like he
Speaker 3: was the coach.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 3: It was I've never I've never really seen that out
Speaker 3: of a quarterback, So to be able to see that
Speaker 3: was really it was really impressive to me. But it was.
Speaker 3: It was a great It was a great ride.
Speaker 4: Cam Newton against paidon Man and super Bowl.
Speaker 3: Cam was on fire during that time.
Speaker 4: But but we that was his MVP year, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he was on he was on fire. But
Speaker 3: I think he liked the discipline. You know, he was
Speaker 3: out there, he had his Ship Superman shirt on his shoes,
Speaker 3: flexing and stuff. Just look at me. Our team was
Speaker 3: just poised. That was the difference. We were just we
Speaker 3: knew what we're gonna do. I mean we had defensively, offensively,
Speaker 3: we had everything we needed. It was Yeah, I remember
Speaker 3: that day.
Speaker 4: I does you feel finally getting that trophy? Man?
Speaker 3: They feel? Man, it's so hard to get there, man,
Speaker 3: I mean some guys will play to kill. Spikes was
Speaker 3: probably one of those guys who played for like fifteen
Speaker 3: sixteen years, never even went to a Super Bowl. So
Speaker 3: to be able to to get that, to just be
Speaker 3: rewarded with that, man, it just it just says it all.
Speaker 3: I mean, like all the hard work, heart, sweat, blood,
Speaker 3: sweat and tears we put into like just being great
Speaker 3: and winning together. You know it. That's it right there? Culmination.
Speaker 1: Yeah, who is Vernon outside of football?
Speaker 3: I would say, uh, I'm creative, you know, very creative,
Speaker 3: you know. I you know, I went from playing football
Speaker 3: to making music to acting, writing. I got an album.
Speaker 3: I probably don't notice, but I don't really promote it
Speaker 3: like that. But I got an album that I did,
Speaker 3: like about a year or two ago. Really, what are
Speaker 3: you just called show time?
Speaker 4: You rap?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Right? Rap?
Speaker 4: Okay, that's I did something with.
Speaker 3: I got some I got some people on that I got,
Speaker 3: I got Young Droe on the track.
Speaker 1: I got remember George our mascot making them Golden State
Speaker 1: Day because we were we were in the Bay at
Speaker 1: the same time, Right was your six two thousand and
Speaker 1: six was your first year? And U uh San Francisco.
Speaker 3: Right two six? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we definitely crossed the past, definitely did.
Speaker 3: Definitely.
Speaker 1: Were you someone that went out. I don't remember seeing
Speaker 1: you out? Yeah yeah, yeah, I was so high jack,
Speaker 1: but I was.
Speaker 4: I was right there with you.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: I was always out.
Speaker 3: Come on, man, you give it twenty two year old
Speaker 3: mellis and dollars. Always I used to go out and
Speaker 3: go straight to practice from being up.
Speaker 1: But it was because it was there be spots where
Speaker 1: the Warriors, the Niners and the Raiders would be.
Speaker 3: In yeah, that we'd all be the same.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it was always love to It wasn't really
Speaker 1: no bullshit. Na, there's a lot of teams together, all
Speaker 1: three teams, egos, women everywhere was young.
Speaker 3: He did see all them, boy, all your boys out
Speaker 3: treat up.
Speaker 1: Right, quick hitters. First thing to come to mind. Let
Speaker 1: us know your top five tight ends of all.
Speaker 3: Time, Top five tight ends of all time. Man, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna have to give you Channa Sharp, Tony Gonzales, Rob Gronkowski,
Speaker 3: m mm hmm. No, put Travis Kelce in there, Tonyo.
Speaker 2: Kates Solid one album you can listen to with no skips,
Speaker 2: Blueprint Whole.
Speaker 4: Rock?
Speaker 1: Was that two thousand years Print one O two?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: That was all in college. I remember that ship, Childhood Crush.
Speaker 3: Hallie bear right you too.
Speaker 4: It's Rock Party, is Brock Party, It's Brock Party. A
Speaker 4: franchise quarterback.
Speaker 3: I need to see one or two more years out
Speaker 3: of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah on me, Yeah, it's Dak Prescott franchise quarterback. Man,
Speaker 1: Come on, bro, I can't ask a former player.
Speaker 3: He ain't played for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: He's just a former player, though he played.
Speaker 4: He played with Rock Party. Yeah, but he's Fornadian, he
Speaker 4: said for the Canadian. I don't do my boy like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Guilty pleasure, guilty pleasure.
Speaker 3: You got guilty pleasure. Dang man, I'm an say eating brownies.
Speaker 4: Man, we got some brown some brownie up there. I wish.
Speaker 1: I want to just be able to freely eat him.
Speaker 4: I don't want to.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: One guess you would like to see on our show,
Speaker 2: but you have to help us get your answer on
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 3: One guess I like to see on the show, man,
Speaker 3: I like to see y'all had Kevin Hart on here, Yes, damn,
Speaker 3: I know he was funny. Oh my god, I just
Speaker 3: did coldes balls. He's a fool.
Speaker 1: He's just but he's naturally like.
Speaker 3: A fazing food. It's like not the whole time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he just like he's really burnt out. Man.
Speaker 3: I know y'all was having a roller. Man, he's so funny. Man,
Speaker 3: am I to give you some Michael B. Jordan's. We've
Speaker 3: been trying to get Kevin har Ryan Coogler.
Speaker 4: We just have.
Speaker 2: Y'all Kevin Harshot my acting dreams down.
Speaker 3: Don't tell them what I got going on.
Speaker 1: He acts a little bit, he's been acting a little bit.
Speaker 3: Nice. You gotta get Michael be on here now.
Speaker 1: Michael B's dopey. Michael Yeah, are you act oh cool?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Cool? Like damn care.
Speaker 1: Like well, Vernon man, we appreciate your time.
Speaker 4: Obviously.
Speaker 1: It's a huge fan of your body and work on
Speaker 1: the field and it's dope to learn, you know, how
Speaker 1: interesting off the field you are. Man, so continued success
Speaker 1: and in all the spaces you are in and man,
Speaker 1: best of luck, bro.
Speaker 3: I appreciate you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a wrap, Vernon Davis. You can catch us
Speaker 1: and all the smoke productions you two.
Speaker 4: And the Draft Kings Network. We'll see y'all next week.
Speaker 7: Mm hmmm, mm hmmmm mm hmmm.