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Speaker 1: Welcome back all the smoke. Our next guest is one

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Speaker 1: of the greatest tight ends of all time. He played

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Speaker 1: on the team that used to smack this shit out

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Speaker 1: of the Cowboys, super Bowl champ, two time Pro bowler.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Vernon Davis here.

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Speaker 2: I say, man, I just want to say this. I'm

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Speaker 2: glad my boy had dog. But every time the football

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Speaker 2: players here, the Cowboys don't need to be in their introduction, bro,

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Speaker 2: they don't have to. Damn, they don't have to.

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Speaker 1: Hurting enough, Jack said, you take a lot of heat

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Speaker 1: from a lot of UCLA energy, and forty nine of energy.

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Speaker 1: Forty nine is of the team I grew up loving

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Speaker 1: and to this day are my favorite team, and you

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Speaker 1: for a while held down that tight end position. We

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Speaker 1: actually seen each other yesterday. I just on some random

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Speaker 1: shits so the Sundance Festival throwing bar brother Deon Taylor,

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Speaker 1: and I found out some interesting news I didn't really

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Speaker 1: know about you. So since retiring, you've been in nearly

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Speaker 1: thirty TV projects and films.

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Speaker 3: Roughly, yeah, thirty somewhere around there.

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Speaker 1: So well so acting, directing a little bit of both.

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Speaker 1: I know you like to write, like where did that

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Speaker 1: passion come from and that drive after.

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Speaker 3: So, when I was playing in San Francisco, we have

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Speaker 3: like off season training and I would I would sneak

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Speaker 3: of Art downtown downtown San Francisco, and from there, I

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Speaker 3: think I felt like this love and his passion for

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Speaker 3: film and television. After I retired in like twenty twenty,

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Speaker 3: I decided that I wanted to do film, focus on acting, producing,

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Speaker 3: just everything that has to do with like filming in general.

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Speaker 3: I didn't stop, but just putting my foot on the

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Speaker 3: gas and just kept going. I had a partner who

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Speaker 3: had a script he wanted to develop, create it. So

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Speaker 3: we created it, we made it, sold it, and then

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Speaker 3: after that I just kept kept seeking opportunities and found

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Speaker 3: myself just doing so many made so many projects.

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Speaker 1: He works with some really big names, I mean, Morgan

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Speaker 1: Freeman and Bruce Willis, John Malcolm, I mean, what kind

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Speaker 1: of obviously a champion in your profession and an all

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Speaker 1: pro in your possession, but then you're going into another

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Speaker 1: with legendary actors.

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Speaker 4: Was that like?

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Speaker 1: And did you got any cool stories for me there

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Speaker 1: of those guys.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was. It was dope, man. You know,

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie. I was kind of like I

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Speaker 3: was star struggling when I met Morgan Freeman. I grew

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Speaker 3: screen with him, right. It was just just amazing man.

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Speaker 3: But his work ethic at eighty something years old, it

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Speaker 3: tells me why he is the way he is. Who

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Speaker 3: is I mean, he was on set, he was he

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Speaker 3: was asking questions like he was like he just started. Uh.

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Speaker 3: He was the first one on set, the last one

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Speaker 3: to lead, and that really inspired me.

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Speaker 1: We got a chance to sit down Ryan Coogler about

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Speaker 1: a month ago, and he was just telling us, you know,

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Speaker 1: as athletes, we have this innate ability to you know,

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Speaker 1: if we're able to take that focus into another space

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Speaker 1: with that same hard work and dedication, we were successful

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Speaker 1: in it. Someone spoke on it on the panel we

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Speaker 1: entrenched in since retiring. Is this is kind of your

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Speaker 3: True passion, desire, love that I have. It's kind of

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Speaker 3: you go through so much in life, you need that healing. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and uh, that's what it That's what it does for me.

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Speaker 3: I was actually having a conversation with with Destry Destriy Spielberg.

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Speaker 3: We have a movie coming out as well, These Don't

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Speaker 3: It's just therapeutic pretty much.

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Speaker 2: You also a trained painter and a sculptor. With all

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Speaker 2: what's your opinion you think you can do better?

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Speaker 4: A better AI shuit? Was this big?

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Speaker 2: The way it looked like a little African baby.

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Speaker 4: Like, I don't know, bro, we need some help. What's

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Speaker 2: You are to train painting and sculptures, so we need

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Speaker 2: your opinion on some of these statues over the place, man,

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Speaker 2: they're all over the place. Yeah yeah, but like, like,

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Speaker 2: how did you get into that? Well, just just a

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Speaker 3: That's crazy, I know, about that. I don't even really

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Speaker 3: talk about that too much, but it's started in school

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Speaker 3: at University of Maryland, I took a class I changed

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Speaker 3: my major from criminal justice. You know, let athletes take

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Speaker 3: criminal justice. We don't know what the hell we want

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Speaker 3: to do, so you know, yeah, yeah, yes, I was

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Speaker 1: And I saw d Wade to try to justify this

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Speaker 4: I just they worked on with them, Wade.

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Speaker 1: Don't let them do that to you.

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Speaker 2: Bro that right, you're my dogs. You're also obsessed with

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Speaker 2: Caroland the Olympic sport. Talk about that. How did you

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Speaker 2: get into that?

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Speaker 3: It's talking to my grandmother about that when she was

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Speaker 3: when I was a kid, to kind of give you

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Speaker 3: the backstorm. When I was a kid, man, I was.

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Speaker 3: I was involved in so many different things, man, from soccer, baseball,

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Speaker 3: back basketball, football. I just started playing football to tenth grade. Damn.

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Speaker 3: I was always playing basketball. Me and Kevin Durant, you

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Speaker 3: play played against him. He was at Montrose Christian. I

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Speaker 3: was at this public school called Dumball.

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Speaker 1: I mean, keep your thought. But what were those battles like, oh.

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Speaker 3: Man, it was he and Patrick ew and son Patrick

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Speaker 3: and they had they were too good for.

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Speaker 1: Usuh huh, Like in high school, was just cold that

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Speaker 3: Skinny cold shoot, very fundamental and just he was just

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Speaker 1: Are you nice at it?

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Speaker 4: Though?

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Speaker 1: I'm okay, yeah, okay, there's nothing more where they sweep

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Speaker 4: You gotta landed in the area, right, you know, Carland

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Speaker 4: This is all I know. I ain't never ain't no

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I didn't know nothing about it.

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Speaker 3: You think the DMV got the best hoopers. It's a

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Speaker 3: lot of talent come out of it. But I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: Now, a lot of talent, A lot of time. We

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Speaker 2: all got into little trouble growing up. You got into

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Speaker 2: That experience?

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Speaker 3: I think my trouble started early, though. I mean it

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: I got arrested twice in sixth grade, and uh, you.

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Speaker 1: Got to be doing something to get a wrestled in

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Speaker 3: I wasn't Yeah, exactly too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you're not talking about for stealing cigarettes.

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Speaker 2: I was on for It was a kid that stayed

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Speaker 4: I just didn't like him. I hit him in the hour.

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Speaker 2: And his mama brought him to my house afterwards, and

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Speaker 2: drug tests all that. Yeah, probation's probation. I don't give

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Speaker 1: Got in a little bit of trouble when you.

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Speaker 3: Was younger, Yeah, a little trouble. And then I, you know,

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Speaker 3: They got this going on. But you got this going on.

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Speaker 3: I think back, I said, you know where I came from,

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Speaker 4: He had it in this house though. That was a difference.

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Speaker 4: It was around me. It was in his house.

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Speaker 1: But I always felt like, and that's what I did,

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Speaker 1: grow up around drugs and violence, but I always felt like,

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Speaker 4: It wasn't me.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the only thing I ever wanted to do

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Speaker 1: But I didn't seen a lot of shit happen around

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Speaker 1: me where it was just I ain't judging, do you

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? But I could still be

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Speaker 2: So you've always been notorious for your work ethic. Is

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Speaker 2: it true that you can catch tennis balls?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I got I got a tennis ball. I used

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Speaker 3: hand eye coordination was really important. So after practice, I

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Speaker 1: That's crazy, I'm just coming. That's dope. What's this video?

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Speaker 4: He's curling?

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Speaker 3: You know what? Man? It's just as it's interesting.

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Speaker 4: It's touch.

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Speaker 3: I think anybody to get out there.

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Speaker 2: Exactly what's more important? The people with the brooms at

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Speaker 1: Just you gotta be different.

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Speaker 1: They just think it's easy man.

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Speaker 1: Right flopping football?

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Speaker 2: Can you They'll try it? Maryland Football two thousand and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, bro on, you just run through them numbers like nothing,

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Speaker 4: Speak to how important it is to be a tight

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Speaker 3: I think John Lynch. He hit me and I went

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Speaker 1: Said I want to be on your team.

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Speaker 4: That's one of them guys too.

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Speaker 3: That's one of them guys.

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Speaker 1: Man hit me so hard, man, that's crazy.

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Speaker 3: I remember that day.

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Speaker 1: I remember that day barely, but I remember. Let's play

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Speaker 1: a game. Build your perfect tight end. Who would you

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Speaker 1: pick for blocking? And don't you throw yourself in there

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Speaker 3: I picked George Kittle for blocking.

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Speaker 4: God damn great list.

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Speaker 1: Two thousand and six first round pick by the forty

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Speaker 1: Coach singletary, legendary linebackers. Sometimes great players transition into coaching. Well,

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Speaker 6: No, no, you don't want me to go much further,

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Speaker 3: I believe this. I would rather play with ten people.

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Speaker 4: I want winners. I want people that want to win.

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Speaker 3: But the time, I was like, man, this dude throwing

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Speaker 1: I mean, he wrote the forward note in your book.

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Speaker 3: end in the League, you could change the game. And uh,

445
00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,360
Speaker 3: you know, I'm listening. I'm here, and I'm like, man,

446
00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:15,760
Speaker 3: I think, you know, if I do everything you tell

447
00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:19,080
Speaker 3: me to do, I can possibly tap into some good stuff.

448
00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,240
Speaker 3: So you know I did, And that next year I

449
00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,159
Speaker 3: went to the Pro Bowl, and you know, I started

450
00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:24,840
Speaker 3: to just become a dynamic player.

451
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Speaker 1: Now, question, I feel like that's it's it's old Like

452
00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:28,840
Speaker 1: as he said, I'm from the old school, and we

453
00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,440
Speaker 1: all came up in the old school. Today, I feel

454
00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,199
Speaker 1: like if that happens on any level, kids run, kids transfer,

455
00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,480
Speaker 1: kids jump in the transfer port, they try to change teams.

456
00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,920
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on just the movement in sports now?

457
00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,560
Speaker 1: And and and I only asked because I felt like

458
00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,000
Speaker 1: all the hard knocks we went through one we just

459
00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:50,439
Speaker 1: saw yours. It gave us character, he gave us, you know, resiliency.

460
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,560
Speaker 1: We learned a lot of lessons from shit like that.

461
00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,639
Speaker 1: But I feel like nowadays, if there's any real pushback

462
00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,160
Speaker 1: or coaches get in your face, cuts you like, they're gone.

463
00:19:58,760 --> 00:19:59,400
Speaker 1: Kids are gone.

464
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think players are soft now, you know. I

465
00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,040
Speaker 3: think they saw that when we were playing, Like, you know,

466
00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,320
Speaker 3: we're there at the same time. But you know, during

467
00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:10,080
Speaker 3: that time, it was hard coaching, man, just everything was tough, hard,

468
00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,040
Speaker 3: and like nowadays it ain't. I mean even I look

469
00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,040
Speaker 3: at my son sometimes. Man, the way they move around

470
00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,000
Speaker 3: and operate is just crazy to me.

471
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Speaker 4: They don't want to be held accountable.

472
00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's it's just crazy that that. I mean

473
00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,720
Speaker 3: this the culture.

474
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Speaker 1: I mean this, you think do you think it's social

475
00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,720
Speaker 1: media and the instat gratification with the showing on the Highland.

476
00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,680
Speaker 1: You could lose the game and still have a mixtape

477
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,240
Speaker 1: or show your highlights and your team just got is

478
00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:36,800
Speaker 1: it is it? Is?

479
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Speaker 7: It?

480
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Speaker 1: Is it the social media play hand in it? Or

481
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Speaker 1: we worked our asses off so hard to give the

482
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Speaker 1: kids the life we never have, so now maybe that

483
00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:44,879
Speaker 1: plays a hand in it.

484
00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. I think it's it's definitely the

485
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Speaker 3: social media. How the way life has changed now. I mean,

486
00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:54,640
Speaker 3: it's where we're at now with with everything. Uh, they

487
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,600
Speaker 3: just have I think they have too much access to

488
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Speaker 3: to things that we didn't have a lot of.

489
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Speaker 1: Accent Well, we had to work for ship, we had

490
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Speaker 1: to work.

491
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just it's just different, man. It's just a

492
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:07,199
Speaker 3: different way of living now.

493
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Speaker 1: And I hate to even sound like old people talking

494
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,080
Speaker 1: like this. But it's weird, Like there's a weird shift.

495
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,159
Speaker 1: And it's not that we're hating. It's just it was

496
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,879
Speaker 1: a different grind when we were coming up in a

497
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 1: different level of reward each step, you know what I mean.

498
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 1: I couldn't matter you. We used to fuck around, like

499
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 1: I remember, we get all a little pel grant checks

500
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:24,800
Speaker 1: at UCLA for like twenty five hundre. You couldn't tell

501
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 1: me shit like I thought. You know, I ran Westwood,

502
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,879
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But I couldn't imagine having

503
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,159
Speaker 1: a half a million dollars a couple of million dollars

504
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,119
Speaker 1: at that age like there with no guy like I

505
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,920
Speaker 1: came from nothing. So that kind of freedom and money

506
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,760
Speaker 1: is scary for some of these kids because to me,

507
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,239
Speaker 1: I make it. It makes me think, you know, you let

508
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Speaker 1: your foot off the gas a little bit now because

509
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 1: you have what obviously we had to fight for and

510
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 1: get in the pros. You have it now in college.

511
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Speaker 3: That's that's a good out look. I mean, like I wouldn't.

512
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 3: I don't think I would want what they have right now. Yeah, yeah,

513
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 3: because like you said, I was, My goal is to

514
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Speaker 3: make it pro you know, change the not dynamic of

515
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Speaker 3: my family. Mm hmm, you know, and that's what my

516
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:03,359
Speaker 3: eyes when I say, I always say it. And I

517
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 3: told my brother, I say, I'm gonna do three years

518
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 3: of college. You're going to do three years of college.

519
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 3: You're not doing four years, and I'll be in and out.

520
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 3: You know, That's what we did because we wanted to.

521
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 3: We were just so hungry to to just go after

522
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:16,879
Speaker 3: what we what we wanted.

523
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Speaker 1: Our thoughts on college kids being twenty five, twenty six,

524
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Speaker 1: twenty seven year old now playing like, I don't mind

525
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,719
Speaker 1: if you're in college, but playing sports, college sports, that

526
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 1: the age. What is your thoughts?

527
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's uh, that's different man.

528
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Speaker 1: Uh.

529
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Speaker 3: You know, I guess a lot of it has to

530
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 3: do with nil, right, And it seems as if these

531
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Speaker 3: college rather have an older guy than taking a guy

532
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Speaker 3: out of school.

533
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Speaker 1: But that's what college is supposed to be, right, College

534
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,439
Speaker 1: is supposed to be you know that that next step.

535
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Speaker 1: But to your point, the maturity and the experience of

536
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Speaker 1: these kids that are damn near thirty years old with

537
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,640
Speaker 1: two kids, you know, like, do you take a twenty

538
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Speaker 1: six year old that's played four years and red traded

539
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 1: two years over an eighteen year old.

540
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Speaker 4: Yeah, let's play back to fix you, my brother.

541
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Speaker 2: Is it true that Singatarrey wrote a distract about you

542
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 2: and performed in the front of the squad and then

543
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 2: dropped the mic like.

544
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 3: District Yeah, I don't know where y'all get on the

545
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 3: it's crazy. Yeah it was. I think it was me

546
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 3: and Crabtree because me and Michael Krabbtree was like, I

547
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 3: don't know something we did. I think we might have

548
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 3: bumped heads or it was something that happened, and he, uh,

549
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 3: he made a track about us. He freestyted, I say

550
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,120
Speaker 3: that ship it's pretty bad.

551
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 4: I know it was weak.

552
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 2: Back to fiction, Singletary dropped his pants during the halftime

553
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Speaker 2: speech and pointed us, but to illustrate what he thought

554
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 2: of y'all.

555
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, he said, we basically pulled our pants down and

556
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Speaker 3: bent over.

557
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 4: So bad. Yeah. Two facts, that's two facts. Back to fiction.

558
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Speaker 2: Singatary built an actual heel at the forty nine ers

559
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Speaker 2: head quarters to build character.

560
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Speaker 4: Two name the pain? Is that true? He named it

561
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Speaker 4: pa Mike was home.

562
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I forgot what he named it, but he did

563
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 3: build a hill man. It was a man made hill

564
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 3: and we walked out what he called it page.

565
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Speaker 1: Mike was a full Kaepernick becomes a starting quarterback midway

566
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Speaker 1: through the twenty twelve season, taking Alex Smith's job as

567
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Speaker 1: a tight end. What's that adjustment like, going from something

568
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: you're very accustomed to to something new. Obviously he was

569
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 1: at the time was a run first guy, uh in

570
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Speaker 1: the offense, So I'm sure your role in the offense

571
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: changed a little bit.

572
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Speaker 3: You know. It's always good that when you build chemistry

573
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Speaker 3: with a quarterback, but to be able to when that

574
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 3: when that shifts and you have a change, now you

575
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 3: gotta work with somebody else that could be that can

576
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 3: be extremely difficult. But for some reason, Kaepernick was able

577
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Speaker 3: to come in and and just I mean he hit

578
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 3: the ground running I mean literally yeah, literally and passing,

579
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 3: So he was it was it was it was a

580
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 3: smooth transition, you know, going from one quarterback to another.

581
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Speaker 1: What was it like that? Because he's like he's a mystery,

582
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, He's one of them quarterbacks

583
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 1: that popped up on the scene and really did his thing.

584
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: And then obviously we'll get into you know, taking the

585
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 1: knee later, but what was the aura about him? What

586
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: kind of leader was he? What kind of worker study

587
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 1: or was he what kind of player and do was he?

588
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 3: He was good? Kaepernick was Uh, he was just determined, man.

589
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 3: He was so determined.

590
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 4: Man.

591
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 3: I remember when he first came in. He was he

592
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 3: just wanted to play. All he wanted to do was

593
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 3: just play. Still to this day, to this day, he

594
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 3: just he just wanted to play. He he would sit

595
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 3: there he I mean, and in practice he was just man,

596
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 3: he just went off in practice.

597
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:48,360
Speaker 1: He was killing practice.

598
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was always killing it in practice. So then

599
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 3: when he had the opportunity with I think Alex Smith

600
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 3: got a concussion and then they just moved him right in.

601
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 3: They knew he was Yeah, I was good. He was good.

602
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 3: He at first he starts small and slow, and I

603
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 3: guess that's because you know all the different offense coordinators.

604
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 3: But uh, but yeah, Cap Cap Alex could play. Cap

605
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 3: could play. But but then there was this moment where

606
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 3: I don't know, It's like it's like he hit a wall. Cap, Yeah,

607
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 3: he hit a wall.

608
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: I just how far into it you feel like he

609
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: hit a wall?

610
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 3: Like he had those first two years where he was

611
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 3: just playing at a high level, and then something just happened.

612
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 3: So it's like he couldn't I don't know, he wasn't

613
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 3: doing he wasn't the same Kaepernick anymore. Really, Yeah, it

614
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 3: was it was it was, I don't know, it was crazy.

615
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 4: He wasn't seeing the game the same something.

616
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't like yeah, it was just like his

617
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 3: throws were off. Just everything was just off man about him. Everything,

618
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 3: and then the team, the team just like imploded, from

619
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 3: upper management to the locker room. Everything just it was crazy.

620
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: Jim Harbor takes over. What kind of experience was that

621
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: and what kind of coaches he?

622
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, Hardball came in. It just turned the whole program around.

623
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 3: When he came in, we I mean we went to

624
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 3: the playoffs instantly that first that first first year he

625
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 3: was there. He was a great coach man. He was

626
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 3: he was everything that we needed, you know, his charisma's attitude.

627
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 3: I remember one time he came out and you know,

628
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 3: we thought we had a new a new quarterback. It

629
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 3: was turned around. It was Hardball. He was suited. He

630
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 3: was out there thrown with the practice squad and he

631
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 3: was just he was He's an interesting character. Sure.

632
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: Uh twenty twelve Super Bowl Niners versus the Ravens. I

633
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: remember I was playing with the Clippers at the time.

634
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 1: We were on the road and we were all watching it

635
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: in the hotel. First of all, the experience of being

636
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: in your first Super Bowl, what was that like?

637
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 3: That was like a dream come true, you know because

638
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 3: we the reason why we played this game is to

639
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 3: win a championship, want to ring, so to be able

640
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 3: to make it there, it was, I mean it was.

641
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 3: It was a true blessing man. But uh, it's always

642
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 3: that bad taste you get in your mouth when you

643
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 3: don't capitalize on the moment. And we did it.

644
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you guys were off to a great

645
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: start in that first half and then what was the

646
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 1: explanation with the lights?

647
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 4: Like, what the fuck happened?

648
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 3: I don't know.

649
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: The power just went out of the whole stadium.

650
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, the whole stadium. But it worked in our favor

651
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 3: because we were down and then we just for some reason,

652
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 3: we came out of the locker room. We won't fly.

653
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 3: We should have won that game.

654
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 4: But.

655
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 3: It just wasn't in our time.

656
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: What'd you learn from it?

657
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 3: I learned that I learned to appreciate every moment. You'll

658
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 3: just appreciate the moment, even if if you win or lose,

659
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 3: just appreciate it. And always do your very best.

660
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: You went against the hell of a defense, Ed Reid,

661
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: ray Lewis, Suggs. What was that Baltimore defense?

662
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 3: Like, they had a pretty good defense. Ray Lewis was

663
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 3: on his way out the door because he was he

664
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 3: wasn't the saying ray Lewis that he once was, but

665
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 3: he could still play at a high level. I felt

666
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 3: like they were good. But we definitely, you know, if

667
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 3: you go back and look at that game, we we

668
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 3: we did our thing as an offense. We showed up.

669
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 3: Start off slow, but we showed up. But that was

670
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 3: they had a pretty good defense, even with Torell Suggs

671
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 3: ye playing the end of the line.

672
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,719
Speaker 4: They was out there laying people out, wasn't they?

673
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 7: Yeah?

674
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 3: I think, I think yeah. But we had some we

675
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 3: had some hitters on dogs too. Yeah. Yeah, that's where

676
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 3: we had de Sean Goldsen, the Dante Whitney who changed

677
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 3: his name at the end of the season, called to

678
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 3: hitting her.

679
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: John still work out at the gym with me.

680
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 3: Oh yes, yeah, change the name of what he changed

681
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 3: his last name to Hitner Whittner to hit her just

682
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 3: due he was hit so he was hitting. I mean,

683
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 3: they was they was just they was just laying the

684
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 3: wood man everybody.

685
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 4: And it's crazy.

686
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: Then, dudes, Jack, when you see them, do they not

687
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: that big? Yeah, they're not that big. It's crazy.

688
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

689
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: Were you still playing when the rules started to transition

690
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: a little bit to really protect the receivers or did you?

691
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: You got all the old NFL?

692
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 3: I got most of the old Well no, because I

693
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 3: retired in twenty twenty, so you know, the rooster I

694
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 3: wanted to change a bit.

695
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: How much How much of an advantage was that for

696
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: you with them, you know, taking certain areas they couldn't

697
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: hit you in and that kind of stuff.

698
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 4: I don't know.

699
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 3: I don't really think it changed too much because you know,

700
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 3: football was always going to be football as long as

701
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 3: you have had those paths on guys hitting. I mean,

702
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 3: you can't stop with collision. Yeah, so you were still

703
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 3: I mean that's when I retired. I had a concussion,

704
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 3: that's my last. That's why I ended up wearing glasses

705
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 3: because of my last.

706
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 4: How many concussions do you think you have? A six? Seven?

707
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: Do you feel the repercussions of the concussions that to this.

708
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 3: Day other than wearing glasses? That's about it. Okay, So no,

709
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 3: issues like anxiety. I get anxiety.

710
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: Maybe that's something anything that has to be treated from

711
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: those or just stuff you outside of the glasses, just

712
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: lots of stuff. You could just deal with.

713
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:52,959
Speaker 3: This anxiety stuff that's okay. Yeah.

714
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: Interesting twenty thirteen Conference Championship against the Legion the Boom Seahawks.

715
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: I hated that team. Richard Sermony Camp chance for Earl Thomas.

716
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: Outside of that team, where does their home crowd rank

717
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,719
Speaker 1: as far as tough environments.

718
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 3: To play in scale of one to ten, ten being

719
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 3: the greatest? Ten're that good? Yeah? You can't, I mean

720
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 3: you can't hear anything really, Yeah, we gotta. We literally

721
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 3: have to like come like if the huddles like this,

722
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 3: we come like this. Yeah it's that loud?

723
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 4: Yeah?

724
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 3: Is that loud? Yeah? It's crazy.

725
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: You guys have some legendary battles against them. Man, what

726
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: was it like going? I mean, those are guys' rivals

727
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: in the NFC West. What were those games like?

728
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 3: Very intense? Very intense. We I mean, we did not

729
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 3: like each other. You know, you asked Marshaun Lunch, He'll

730
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 3: tell you anytime. We didn't like each other at all,

731
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 3: and we knew that we had to play extremely hard

732
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 3: in that game because those dudes are gonna bring it.

733
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 3: I mean that defense they had, oh man, you probably

734
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 3: can compare that defense to what they had in Baltimore.

735
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 4: It was you had to go.

736
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: The road to the championship ran through the Seattle for

737
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: forty nine ers for a while.

738
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Camp Chancellor Richard Sherman. I mean they had

739
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 3: some They have some dudes over there.

740
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 2: Twenty fifteen, you get traded to Denver. Two questions. What

741
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: was your thoughts going to Denver? And as your first

742
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 2: year of leaving San Francisco that's when the kneel and

743
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 2: stuff happens with cap What was your thoughts.

744
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, so when I got traded, I got traded. I

745
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 3: didn't even know I was gonna get traded. Man, I

746
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 3: had I had a pretty good game. I mean I

747
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 3: let the team and catches that game, and next thing,

748
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 3: you know, I wake up in the morning. GM text

749
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 3: me and say, hey, you know, come see me. I'm like, oh,

750
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 3: so I go in. You know, he got some teams

751
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 3: on the board. Denver's one of them. He's asking me,

752
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 3: He's pretty much telling me that Denver is the best

753
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 3: situation for me. I go to Denver and you know,

754
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 3: we ended up winning the Super Bowl that year back

755
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 3: in Levi Stadium, and then all this stuff with Kappernick

756
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 3: was happening, with the kneeling, and I just didn't under

757
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 3: you know, to me, I didn't, I didn't. It caught

758
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 3: me by surprise. I didn't. I never knew that that

759
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 3: was a mission for Cap. You know, he never really

760
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 3: showed any signs of him supporting any causes or anything

761
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,239
Speaker 3: like that. I know, I did know that he was

762
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 3: in a space where he wasn't the same kapenis. So

763
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 3: they did put when I was there, they did put

764
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 3: Blaine Gabar in m That was right, mm hmm. And

765
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 3: then he h you know, he pretty much took the

766
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,719
Speaker 3: back seat. And after that, I guess that's when all

767
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 3: the stuff I started to happen.

768
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, how would you have handled the locker room views?

769
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 3: Though?

770
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 4: With that going on?

771
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 3: Me personally, I probably would have wanted to.

772
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 4: Uh.

773
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 3: I think it just causes a lot of I mean,

774
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 3: you know, I think it's a great cause of what

775
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 3: he was supporting for sure, you know what I mean, Like,

776
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 3: I mean, everything he's done has been bigger than Yeah,

777
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, he's he's a he's a major,

778
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 3: he's a star from what he was doing, you know,

779
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 3: he he he sacrificed a lot. It's one of those

780
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 3: things though, where you know, if you got a career

781
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 3: and you're trying to become the best in the sport,

782
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 3: you're trying to win a suit, a championship, I think

783
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 3: all that stuff becomes a distraction. Though, you know, it's

784
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 3: it's a great it's a great call. It's something that

785
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 3: we we should all come together and see how can

786
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 3: we make this better and bigger? Right, But it's a

787
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 3: time and place for it. But for me, I would

788
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 3: want to probably get out of there and go to

789
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,720
Speaker 3: a team with with with with the atmosphere winning, focusing

790
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 3: on winning a championship.

791
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 4: Respect.

792
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:42,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I want.

793
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: I was what was your thoughts going on with a

794
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 2: great like paid man? Oh man, he was run your

795
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 2: numbers up.

796
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 3: He was different. It was different man, he was he was.

797
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 3: I mean he was a different type of guy. I

798
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 3: mean playing with all the quarterbacks I played with, but

799
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 3: watching him he moved different the way he operated. But

800
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 3: the crazy parts that when he threw it was a game.

801
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 3: He threw like four or five interceptions. They took him out.

802
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 3: The only reason why he got his job back is

803
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 3: because the quarterback brought Oswald he was, Yeah, he was.

804
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 3: He started like tripping, he started messing up, like struggling,

805
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 3: so they put Peyton back in. But if that wouldn't

806
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 3: happen Peyton when he got a job, and this.

807
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: Is during the season, y'all want a super Bowl?

808
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 3: Yeah?

809
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 4: Crazy?

810
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 3: Yeah?

811
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: What was it like though? I mean, obviously he's known

812
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: for the audibles at the line and his work ethics.

813
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: He was a little bit older when you got him.

814
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: But what can you see the brilliance? Oh yeah, can

815
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: you see the brilliance and remember the brilliance like it

816
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: was yesterday?

817
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. He would take over the room like normally

818
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 3: typically the offensive coordinator standing, they going through the plays

819
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 3: and things of that nature, but Peyton would be the

820
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 3: guy out there. Oh really, yeah, it was like he

821
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 3: was the coach.

822
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 4: It was.

823
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 3: It was I've never I've never really seen that out

824
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 3: of a quarterback, So to be able to see that

825
00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 3: was really it was really impressive to me. But it was.

826
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 3: It was a great It was a great ride.

827
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 4: Cam Newton against paidon Man and super Bowl.

828
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 3: Cam was on fire during that time.

829
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 4: But but we that was his MVP year, right, Yeah.

830
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he was on he was on fire. But

831
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 3: I think he liked the discipline. You know, he was

832
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 3: out there, he had his Ship Superman shirt on his shoes,

833
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 3: flexing and stuff. Just look at me. Our team was

834
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 3: just poised. That was the difference. We were just we

835
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 3: knew what we're gonna do. I mean we had defensively, offensively,

836
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 3: we had everything we needed. It was Yeah, I remember

837
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 3: that day.

838
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 4: I does you feel finally getting that trophy? Man?

839
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 3: They feel? Man, it's so hard to get there, man,

840
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 3: I mean some guys will play to kill. Spikes was

841
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 3: probably one of those guys who played for like fifteen

842
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 3: sixteen years, never even went to a Super Bowl. So

843
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 3: to be able to to get that, to just be

844
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 3: rewarded with that, man, it just it just says it all.

845
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 3: I mean, like all the hard work, heart, sweat, blood,

846
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 3: sweat and tears we put into like just being great

847
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 3: and winning together. You know it. That's it right there? Culmination.

848
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, who is Vernon outside of football?

849
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 3: I would say, uh, I'm creative, you know, very creative,

850
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 3: you know. I you know, I went from playing football

851
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 3: to making music to acting, writing. I got an album.

852
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 3: I probably don't notice, but I don't really promote it

853
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 3: like that. But I got an album that I did,

854
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 3: like about a year or two ago. Really, what are

855
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 3: you just called show time?

856
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 4: You rap?

857
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 3: Yeah? Right? Rap?

858
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 4: Okay, that's I did something with.

859
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 3: I got some I got some people on that I got,

860
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 3: I got Young Droe on the track.

861
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: I got remember George our mascot making them Golden State

862
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: Day because we were we were in the Bay at

863
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: the same time, Right was your six two thousand and

864
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 1: six was your first year? And U uh San Francisco.

865
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 3: Right two six? Yeah?

866
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we definitely crossed the past, definitely did.

867
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 3: Definitely.

868
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,439
Speaker 1: Were you someone that went out. I don't remember seeing

869
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: you out? Yeah yeah, yeah, I was so high jack,

870
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: but I was.

871
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 4: I was right there with you.

872
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.

873
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 4: I was always out.

874
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 3: Come on, man, you give it twenty two year old

875
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 3: mellis and dollars. Always I used to go out and

876
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 3: go straight to practice from being up.

877
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,439
Speaker 1: But it was because it was there be spots where

878
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: the Warriors, the Niners and the Raiders would be.

879
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 3: In yeah, that we'd all be the same.

880
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it was always love to It wasn't really

881
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: no bullshit. Na, there's a lot of teams together, all

882
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: three teams, egos, women everywhere was young.

883
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 3: He did see all them, boy, all your boys out

884
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 3: treat up.

885
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: Right, quick hitters. First thing to come to mind. Let

886
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: us know your top five tight ends of all.

887
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 3: Time, Top five tight ends of all time. Man, I'm

888
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 3: gonna have to give you Channa Sharp, Tony Gonzales, Rob Gronkowski,

889
00:38:55,640 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 3: m mm hmm. No, put Travis Kelce in there, Tonyo.

890
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 2: Kates Solid one album you can listen to with no skips,

891
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 2: Blueprint Whole.

892
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 4: Rock?

893
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: Was that two thousand years Print one O two?

894
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 3: Yeah?

895
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 1: That was all in college. I remember that ship, Childhood Crush.

896
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 3: Hallie bear right you too.

897
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 4: It's Rock Party, is Brock Party, It's Brock Party. A

898
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 4: franchise quarterback.

899
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 3: I need to see one or two more years out

900
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 3: of them.

901
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: Yeah on me, Yeah, it's Dak Prescott franchise quarterback. Man,

902
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: Come on, bro, I can't ask a former player.

903
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 3: He ain't played for the Cowboys.

904
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: He's just a former player, though he played.

905
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 4: He played with Rock Party. Yeah, but he's Fornadian, he

906
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 4: said for the Canadian. I don't do my boy like that.

907
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

908
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: Guilty pleasure, guilty pleasure.

909
00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 3: You got guilty pleasure. Dang man, I'm an say eating brownies.

910
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 4: Man, we got some brown some brownie up there. I wish.

911
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: I want to just be able to freely eat him.

912
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 4: I don't want to.

913
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 3: Man.

914
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 2: One guess you would like to see on our show,

915
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 2: but you have to help us get your answer on

916
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 2: the show.

917
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 3: One guess I like to see on the show, man,

918
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 3: I like to see y'all had Kevin Hart on here, Yes, damn,

919
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 3: I know he was funny. Oh my god, I just

920
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 3: did coldes balls. He's a fool.

921
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: He's just but he's naturally like.

922
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 3: A fazing food. It's like not the whole time.

923
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, he just like he's really burnt out. Man.

924
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 3: I know y'all was having a roller. Man, he's so funny. Man,

925
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 3: am I to give you some Michael B. Jordan's. We've

926
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 3: been trying to get Kevin har Ryan Coogler.

927
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 4: We just have.

928
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 2: Y'all Kevin Harshot my acting dreams down.

929
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 3: Don't tell them what I got going on.

930
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: He acts a little bit, he's been acting a little bit.

931
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 3: Nice. You gotta get Michael be on here now.

932
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: Michael B's dopey. Michael Yeah, are you act oh cool?

933
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 4: Yeah? Cool? Like damn care.

934
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: Like well, Vernon man, we appreciate your time.

935
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 4: Obviously.

936
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: It's a huge fan of your body and work on

937
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: the field and it's dope to learn, you know, how

938
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: interesting off the field you are. Man, so continued success

939
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 1: and in all the spaces you are in and man,

940
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: best of luck, bro.

941
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 3: I appreciate you.

942
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a wrap, Vernon Davis. You can catch us

943
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: and all the smoke productions you two.

944
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 4: And the Draft Kings Network. We'll see y'all next week.

945
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 7: Mm hmmm, mm hmmmm mm hmmm.