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Speaker 1: And that's what you really missed with Jenna.

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Speaker 2: And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to and that's what really miss po calss.

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Speaker 1: Today we have Kevin McHale.

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Speaker 2: And Jennashkowitz, but more importantly, we have star, superstar, world traveler,

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Speaker 2: world famous Chris Olsen.

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Speaker 1: He's incredible.

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Speaker 3: He's just so nice, so nice, and oh what a

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Speaker 3: joy to chat with, so open, so fun. I feel

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Speaker 3: like I have like musical theater camaraderie with him. But

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Speaker 3: then like he's such a big glee fantee, which is

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Speaker 3: so fun.

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Speaker 2: He's an og gleek. That's right, That's right, Yeah, he's

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Speaker 2: he's this week's gleek of the week. Really, I mean

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Speaker 2: he's gleek of the year.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 1: I know that didn't rhyme.

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Speaker 2: But it's a wonderful, lovely long talk with Chris Olsen.

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Speaker 2: So strapping and enjoy. Here is the week of the week.

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Speaker 1: Chris olsaid, Hi, Chris, let's begin. Where do we start?

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Speaker 4: Wait?

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Speaker 1: The fact that you and Darren recently was really funny.

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Speaker 2: I was jealous. I DMed him and I was like,

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Speaker 2: excuse me, well, I bare you.

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Speaker 4: You know I have been waiting outside both your homes,

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Speaker 4: just knocking on the doors waiting to be let in.

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Speaker 4: And then Heather and Darren came to my rescue, so

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Speaker 4: I said, okay, I'll hang out with you guys. First.

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Speaker 4: They're very nice, so sEH, they are very nice. It's

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Speaker 4: it was. It was such a lovely day promoting their pod.

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Speaker 4: That's right, look at you.

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Speaker 2: You're really just helping out the Glee crew and the pods, which.

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Speaker 4: Is so crazy to me because as a young young

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Speaker 4: the jokes aside, it really was. I was I was

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Speaker 4: trying to remember or think about all of the memories

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Speaker 4: I have just as a viewer of the show, and

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Speaker 4: there truly are so many. Like I remember watching Tina

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Speaker 4: sing True Colors, which was your first song, right, correct, yeah, right,

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Speaker 4: I know. We were my whole family was in South

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you you were someone the character who got ship

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Speaker 4: You had you truly hadn't said like I feel like

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Speaker 4: We discovered that. And obviously Kevin, when you dance for

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Speaker 4: the first time after finally, Yes, that was huge for

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Speaker 4: Yes, it was like it was like a little safe space.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, way totally. That is a consistent like push

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Speaker 2: guess I'll take a picture of the table.

440
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 3: Salmon, right right. But I think because of that and

441
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 3: they don't know who you are exactly, social media was

442
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,239
Speaker 3: a way in for them to learn about you, and

443
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,880
Speaker 3: in some ways it felt like a gift. In some

444
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 3: ways it felt like a complete flaw on the system,

445
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,239
Speaker 3: because the gift is like, I can share what I

446
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 3: want with you, I can connect with my fans, I

447
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 3: can learn more about them and who's who's watching and

448
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 3: who's listening and who's a fan of me personally. But

449
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 3: then then, like what I was asking you, it feels

450
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 3: like sometimes they feel like they they deserve it all,

451
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 3: Like there's no boundary whatsoever when we are choosing what

452
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 3: to share and what not to. Like, my husband is

453
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 3: not he's not an actor. He is you know, you know,

454
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 3: affiliation with the entertainment industry. He doesn't like social media.

455
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 3: He doesn't go on it, so I'm nervous post him

456
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 3: and he wants approval and he wants to see things

457
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 3: before they go up because that's not his thing. This

458
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 3: is in his world right, And then we chose to

459
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 3: not post my daughter's face for safety reasons. I just said,

460
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,199
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not doing that, And so there is

461
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 3: this like push and pull. But because of the mystery,

462
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 3: it's like people want to know more and they want

463
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 3: more because they don't know you exactly. They don't they

464
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:27,120
Speaker 3: know the character.

465
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I will say, like it is very I do

466
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 4: feel like there's people feel extremely comfortable coming up to

467
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 4: me in public, which is great, and I think, I

468
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 4: mean that's can be a lovely time. Obviously, there are

469
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 4: sometimes when I'm like having a day and I'm like okay,

470
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 4: all right, where like I gotta I gotta like bring

471
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 4: it up. And it's it's because it's almost like I

472
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 4: have to play a character of myself in some ways,

473
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 4: because when I'm making videos, I have a lot of energy.

474
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 4: Those are my like I'm I'm ready, I'm performing in

475
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 4: this video. You know, Like there's many most of the

476
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 4: time I'm lower energy than I am in the videos,

477
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 4: and I think tons of people really understand that. But

478
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 4: there are moments, there are definitely moments when people feel

479
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 4: very comfortable and it can get to a place of

480
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 4: it's that parasocial relationship that's talked about a lot these days,

481
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 4: where someone is sharing something that like I wasn't ready

482
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 4: to take on for them, but I you know, but

483
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 4: I'm also gonna do my best to hold the space

484
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 4: because I'm not going to make someone feel bad for

485
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 4: sharing that something like really affected them in a good

486
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 4: or bad way, but like those same people sometimes will

487
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 4: tell me a story about like because if I'm friends

488
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 4: with a musician, they'll be like, oh, I saw that person,

489
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 4: but I was too scared to go up to them,

490
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 4: or I saw that actor, but I was too scared

491
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 4: to go up to them. I don't think people are

492
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 4: really too scared to come up to me because they

493
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 4: feel like they know me. But if they saw and

494
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 4: I am not comparing myself in like fame level standing

495
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 4: of these people, but if they saw like a Tom

496
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 4: Cruise or like a Meryl Streep out there, they're not

497
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 4: going to run up because it's like, oh that is

498
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,719
Speaker 4: not like they don't even have social media. You know

499
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 4: that there are characters to them and these people love them,

500
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 4: but they don't know how they speak or talk or

501
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 4: like kind of go about things in their daily life.

502
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 4: So I feel like there's a little bit more of

503
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 4: a barrier, which I think is is that there's no

504
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 4: like wrong way to go about it, and I would

505
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 4: love to I think maybe have that barrier at some point,

506
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 4: but also I still very much enjoy the way that

507
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 4: I have gone about it as well. Yeah, I think

508
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 4: it's just now with the social media becoming such a thing.

509
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 4: Those walls have been stripped down a lot because people

510
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 4: are sharing so much about their everyday.

511
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 2: Lives, right, and it takes a special type of personality,

512
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 2: I think, to have that perspective that you have where

513
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 2: I think you could throw people really terribly, but also

514
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 2: you know, to recognize like, oh, this is with success,

515
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 2: this has happened. Sure, I mean, and sometimes you're gonna

516
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 2: have bad days. I'm not gonna be in the mood,

517
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 2: but right, you know.

518
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 4: I have to remind myself that though most days, like

519
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 4: there are days or if if I start feeling uncomfortable

520
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 4: because I can like feel someone taking pictures in public

521
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 4: or something like that, which is like yes, people should

522
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 4: ask people to take a photo. Or if I'm walking

523
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 4: through somewhere and I feel whispers and people talking about me,

524
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 4: it's like I literally have to remind myself like, no

525
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 4: one is trying to no one is out to get you.

526
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 4: Like that too, Yeah, like they're excited. These people are excited.

527
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 4: But I think it probably goes back to if I

528
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 4: want to like therapize it, it goes back to like

529
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 4: childhood and maybe me like walking through the halls and

530
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 4: feeling like I hear bullies talking about me. I'm like,

531
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 4: any whispers about me must be bad. But now we

532
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 4: have to like reframe those somehow.

533
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

534
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you figure out how can you just think

535
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 4: it's just constant reminders? Yeah, it's true.

536
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: It's so true. You went to Bosting in servatory.

537
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 4: Oh I did, I did it. Yes, I am a

538
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 4: musical theater student. I am a theater kid. As a singer,

539
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 4: I do occasionally sing yes on social media as well.

540
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 3: But you singing bathtubs, it's one of my favorite videos.

541
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,719
Speaker 3: You guys sound great. I also have to know how

542
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 3: many times you guys, how many times you guys tried

543
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 3: that one, because you looked I know that feeling when

544
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 3: you get it at the end and you're so excited.

545
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: I knew that's great.

546
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 4: It's definitely a lot. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, we're singing, we're

547
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 4: it's you got to get it perfect, you know.

548
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: Like that.

549
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 4: So yeah, but I've been I've been a theater kid

550
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 4: for like my whole life, a big of it, like

551
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 4: I have. I half live in New York, so every

552
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 4: time I'm there, I'm seeing shows. Often. I went to

553
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 4: a boarding school. I was gonna say, you saw Alex

554
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 4: now I sure did. Oh, I sure did. And have

555
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 4: you guys seen Alex yet? Yes? Oh my god, it's

556
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 4: like stupid independently owned. It's just it's just insane. And

557
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 4: to be able to do that eight times a week and.

558
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 2: Also be like I can't and then comes out to

559
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 2: the stage and then does that exact thing. No, are

560
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 2: you's a boarding Yeah? I interrupted you.

561
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 4: No, no, no, But I saw Alex but yes, I

562
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 4: went to boarding school for musical theater as well. Speaking

563
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 4: of Alex, I was also a fan of the Glee

564
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 4: Project back in the day, like Lee was. I, Oh,

565
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 4: I had just made for you, I had merch. I

566
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 4: went to the tour, Yeah I did. Did you go

567
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 4: to the DC show? I I think so. Yeah, that

568
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 4: was a fun one. I didn't know what tone.

569
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 2: No, I don't know if I can't remember that one.

570
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 3: Kevin's impressibly good at remembering the tour in particular, like

571
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 3: the shows and the cities and what the show.

572
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 2: I don't know what one city, I can't remember the show.

573
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: I don't remember the show. And no offense to Philadelphia,

574
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 2: I have no memory.

575
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I remember Phill Yeah. The tour was pretty

576
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 4: life changing as well. I just remember, like Stan, I mean,

577
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 4: the entire thing was just like my whole childhood live

578
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 4: and then. But I do remember specifically like when Amber

579
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 4: singing ain't no way, oh my god, it was. I

580
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,959
Speaker 4: just I hadn't had a spiritual experience like that before,

581
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 4: and I had it. I had it nice, we had

582
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 4: it every night. It was.

583
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 2: You made a TikTok about how Glee was setting unrealistic

584
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,239
Speaker 2: expectations of like talent in high school, and I have

585
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 2: to say I'd never really thought about it from the people,

586
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 2: the perspective of people walking down the hallway and then

587
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 2: hearing someone like Amber singing.

588
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 4: I mean all of you guys though, and with like

589
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 4: a full band as well, Like it was the arrangements

590
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 4: just magically coming together. Obviously it was a TV show

591
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 4: elevated reality. But if that happened in any school, it

592
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 4: would be national news every day, no one. I mean,

593
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 4: it just would be absolute insanity because in most schools

594
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 4: you have like one or two people who are like

595
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 4: a star and they're but even then they're singing with

596
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 4: a piano and bad acoustics, Like it's not Gregs. Yeah,

597
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 4: that little rectangle classroom, y'all had had the best acoustics

598
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 4: in the world. Somehow it was.

599
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:03,479
Speaker 1: I mean there was real budget.

600
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 4: Zero budget, and the shows that you got, I mean,

601
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 4: like Rocky Horror was so insane.

602
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 2: Can't afford to get a bus for already to get

603
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 2: to Nationals, but we can build an entire set with

604
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 2: two stories with an elevator.

605
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: I will say though I did go.

606
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 3: I went to a Catholic high school on Long Island,

607
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 3: but it was performing arts and people went to the

608
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 3: Catholic school even though they weren't like because of the

609
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 3: musical theater program. So we had like people coming out

610
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 3: of there. We have Rockets coming out of there. We've

611
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 3: got multiple Broadway people coming out of there that I

612
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 3: feel like my school was the closest to Glee that.

613
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 4: You were going to get probably and you were on

614
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 4: Broadway as a child, right, Yeah.

615
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 3: So I did The King and I when I was nine,

616
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 3: and then I was like, I'm gonna make it and

617
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 3: do it, do this as an adult. And then I

618
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 3: Bookspring Awakening, so I got to do that with the

619
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 3: original Broadway cast for a while, and then and then

620
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 3: I got to do Waitress after Glee. So I've gotten

621
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 3: to do like a show within every decade.

622
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 4: Did you enjoy like a comparative Broadway versus a TV show.

623
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 4: I know they're so different, Yeah.

624
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: I know, but it was a dream to be able

625
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: to sing and perform on TV.

626
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 3: That was like because I went to mary Mount Manhattan,

627
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 3: like college, I did a BA in theater minor musical theater,

628
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 3: and like for me, I was going to be on

629
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 3: Broadway for the rest of my life.

630
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 2: That was my goal.

631
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: I was going to be some foster and that was it.

632
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 3: But I think to be able to do both was

633
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 3: amazing because TV has the money and the schedule and

634
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 3: like the the you know, the refutation, yes, and Broadway

635
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 3: like you can always go back for a few months

636
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 3: and do it right, and so because it's so grueling

637
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 3: and then we're going to get Kevin to do it

638
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 3: at some point. But it's so grueling and it's so

639
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 3: strange and different and the yes you must and the

640
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 3: instant gratification that you get from an audience and energy,

641
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 3: like I picked that over TV any day.

642
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 4: Sure, But I totally understand that, like when you get

643
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 4: a degree in theater, you're not getting it to be

644
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 4: like and no, I'm gonna make bank like and now

645
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 4: I'm ready, like love it. Yeah, you do it because

646
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 4: you love it because the end goal for most of

647
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 4: us is like get on Broadway and make the Broadway minimum,

648
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,240
Speaker 4: which is very hard to live on in New York.

649
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 4: Like it's possible. Yeah, it's like, it's not like we're

650
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 4: going to I mean, I think when you're little and

651
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 4: you have that dream, you're like, I'm going to be

652
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 4: a star, I'm gonna be famous all of this stuff.

653
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 4: But then when you find out the reality, you're like, Okay,

654
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 4: as long as I can somehow work professionally, I will

655
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 4: be happy.

656
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: And yes, it's so true.

657
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 4: I was ready to, like, I mean, there was a

658
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 4: point even with Broadway too. There the amount of competition

659
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 4: that you have of to even get in the door

660
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 4: is so insane, and I think there there have been

661
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 4: so many times I've been so ready to just give

662
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 4: up on entertainment in general because it is such a

663
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 4: hard door to get through. And if social media hadn't

664
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 4: happened in the way that it did for me, I

665
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 4: think I probably it probably would have been a very

666
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 4: different life because it is so easy to get that

667
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 4: just kicked out of you if you're not given the opportunity.

668
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 4: And that's the tough thing about acting in theater and

669
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 4: all of that stuff is someone has to give you

670
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 4: permission to do what you want, whereas with so many

671
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 4: other things, obviously you're getting hired. But like you can

672
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 4: work your way up in a corporate ladder, right, you

673
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,439
Speaker 4: can work your way up doing anything Broadway. You could

674
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 4: be taking classes, you could be doing all of the stuff,

675
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 4: and you just might not get hired because you don't

676
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 4: know the right person or you don't know all of

677
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 4: that stuff. And I think it's just such an interesting

678
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 4: industry that like mainstream isn't really clued in on, but

679
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 4: the entertainment we all know how insane it is for

680
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 4: someone to just like make their debut or to be

681
00:35:55,560 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 4: like backs left, like the stage left in the back,

682
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 4: but they're like doing the thing. I mean, it's it's

683
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 4: yeah yeah.

684
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 3: And then you have like the lifers who like go

685
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 3: into Lion King and Aladdin and stay forever. They're like,

686
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 3: I'm on my tenth here, and you're like, girl, get it.

687
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 2: People have been in Chicago for like twenty years.

688
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they're gonna die on that stage now.

689
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 3: Yeah right, I'm curious, Like because you went to a conservatory.

690
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 3: They're so intense, so intense, and then like was the

691
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 3: goal Broadway? Like was the goal to be famous? Like

692
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 3: what was the goal for you? And then to become

693
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 3: so huge on social media? What was that like pivot

694
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 3: for you to go like, okay, this is my life now.

695
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 4: It was really strange. I think yes, initially the goal

696
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 4: was like be on Broadway or it really was just

697
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 4: be able to maybe make a living as a performer

698
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 4: in some way. I was also while I was there,

699
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 4: I was like training to be a group fitness trainer

700
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 4: because I was like, that's going to be my job

701
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 4: as a fallback job. Yeah, I was like I got

702
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 4: to do something too. I mean, there are so many

703
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 4: people who like work in and obviously are this food

704
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 4: industry or like fitness or something like that. So I

705
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 4: was like, Okay, I'll try doing that. But it was

706
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 4: halfway through my junior year that the pandemic happened, and

707
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 4: so I was then we were pivoting to online musical

708
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 4: theater classes. So I was in a room like smaller

709
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 4: than this one I'm in right now, like with a chair,

710
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 4: trying to do ballet like the chair was my bar,

711
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 4: or like doing a monologue like and I mean it's like,

712
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 4: I guess it's kind of like a self tape but

713
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 4: like singing a song but to like all of my

714
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 4: classmates on Zoom, and it's just, oh, it is not

715
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 4: It felt all of my creativity in school had left me.

716
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 4: I was like, Okay, this feels horrible. It just feels

717
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 4: like work and not not work that I'm like interested

718
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 4: in doing right now, especially like doing a scene with

719
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 4: someone through zoom.

720
00:37:59,120 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: Oh God.

721
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 4: So I downloaded TikTok halfway through, because not halfway through

722
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 4: in April, so like a month after the world kind

723
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:10,959
Speaker 4: of shut down, and was like, let me just see

724
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 4: what's going on on here, and.

725
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 2: There's nothing else to do.

726
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 4: There was nothing else to do. And then I found

727
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 4: it was a way I could be creative and have

728
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 4: a little bit of creative outlet. And then I like

729
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 4: summer happened and I kept making videos over the summer,

730
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 4: and at the very end of the summer, right before

731
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 4: the start of my senior year, I started gaining a

732
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 4: following and I was like, Okay, maybe there's something here

733
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 4: that I can do to finish out school. It's probably

734
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 4: not gonna it's not gonna last forever, but we'll see

735
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 4: what we do, and then it just kept kind of

736
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 4: growing in different ways and I kept finding new ways

737
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 4: to have fun and be creative on there. And so

738
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 4: that also, I think like reinvigorated my love for performing arts,

739
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 4: and it made me realize that I could do it,

740
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 4: because I think there I had, I was so close

741
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 4: to giving up on all of it because auditioning I

742
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 4: had just done, I think a month before the pandemic.

743
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 4: I had just taken a megabus at twelve am from

744
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 4: Boston to New York for the Hairspray Tour open call dark, yeah,

745
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 4: very dark. I was in line in front of Pearl

746
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 4: Studios at four am. My audition ended up happening at

747
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 4: three pm, so I had been there for eleven hours

748
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 4: and then had to immediately get on a train back

749
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 4: to Boston to do rehearsal for the Drowsy Chaperone that night,

750
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 4: where I was in the ensemble. So it was it

751
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 4: was it's like you grind it, Yeah, it's grind. There's

752
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 4: like grind. No, there's almost no gratification from it until

753
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 4: like the very end. It is such delayed gratification, which

754
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 4: I think is really wonderful to work work for for

755
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 4: a lot of things in your life, but there was

756
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 4: like near no gratification. Ended up making it pretty far

757
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 4: in those hairspray rounds and then everything shut down and

758
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 4: the Hairspray Tour didn't even They did end up emailing

759
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 4: me like two years ago being like, would you still

760
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 4: be interested? And I was like, I don't know if

761
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 4: I can do that.

762
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 2: I'm crawling back to me. I'm actually busy.

763
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 4: Oh I'm so busy right now. But wow, there I had.

764
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 4: I was. I was very close to giving up on

765
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 4: all of it. And I think getting a platform and

766
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 4: getting that positive reinforcement, especially on videos where I started singing,

767
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 4: or videos where I was like talking about, you know,

768
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 4: my past and performing, made me realize like, yeah, that's

769
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 4: definitely something I want to do and want to experience

770
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 4: at some point in my life. And it feels closer

771
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 4: than it was when I was just in school doing nothing, sure,

772
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 4: because but it can be hard when you're in a

773
00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 4: conservatory or in a program where there are so many

774
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 4: talented people and there aren't just so talented people in

775
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 4: your program. There are talented people around the whole world. Yeah,

776
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 4: and there's almost always someone who can do what you're doing.

777
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 4: Do a little bit better or a lot better, And

778
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 4: it's so easy to talk yourself out of it, right

779
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 4: you're like, oh, well, there are three million people here

780
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 4: that are way better than me.

781
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 2: Why am I even doing this?

782
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 4: Right exactly? And that doesn't mean that, you know, for

783
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 4: people who are listening, that doesn't mean that that means

784
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 4: you give up, because if they're doing it better, you

785
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 4: can do it differently, or you can offer a completely

786
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 4: different perspective on it.

787
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 2: But find your own way in like you're like, now

788
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 2: you said, it feels closer, like you are founding a

789
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:40,959
Speaker 2: different way to approach.

790
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 4: It right right, Like it's you know, it can be

791
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 4: hard for all of us who are not connected in

792
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 4: the industry already from like birth, And I know it

793
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 4: can be a little discouraging when there are so many

794
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,760
Speaker 4: people who you see, especially with social media. So many

795
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 4: of these people who are successful on social media are

796
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 4: so young, and I can't imagine and being like a

797
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 4: sixteen year old or like even younger and seeing someone

798
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 4: else my age making millions of dollars moving to LA

799
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 4: and being like that is what my life should be like,

800
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 4: because it's not. And I'm honestly so glad that my

801
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 4: life wasn't like that at sixteen, and that most of

802
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 4: the stuff happened at twenty two, which is still young.

803
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 4: But I think just having that's a big difference of

804
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 4: all of that. How old were you both when the

805
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 4: show started twenty three?

806
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 3: I was twenty three, twenty or twenty, yeah, twenty and

807
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:40,240
Speaker 3: twenty three. Rispolfer was eighteen nineteen, eighteen, yeah, eighteen.

808
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, that's all of those ages are so

809
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 4: young to be like thrust into that.

810
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

811
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 2: I do think like because it was an ensemble, we

812
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 2: were all young, there was a lot of shared experience

813
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 2: and like protectiveness, So I do think, yeah, we had

814
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 2: that that benefit of relying on each other and that

815
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 2: shared like, oh, we're all going through this together, right,

816
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:06,479
Speaker 2: And we had.

817
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 3: A boss again like you said, like we had you know,

818
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 3: the studio to answer to. There were executives and you know,

819
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 3: producers who were all there to kind of guide the

820
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 3: way for you versus like, you know, people like you

821
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 3: who are hitting it like overnight, gaining this huge following

822
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 3: and then going.

823
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: Like would I do with this?

824
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 2: Because now you're running like a business. Yeah, like you're

825
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 2: running your brand, which is like you weren't taught how.

826
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 4: To do that. No, And it's a learning literally.

827
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 2: Going to school for you know, performing arts three and

828
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 2: a half years ago and then yes, all of a

829
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 2: sudden and no one.

830
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 4: I mean it's impossible to like learn the business of

831
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 4: any of these things without being in it. Like I mean,

832
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 4: even when you make mistakes, because you're learning as you go, right,

833
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 4: like down to the mundane things about like doing your

834
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,959
Speaker 4: taxes as like a performer is like am I going

835
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 4: to go to jail because I'm not doing any of

836
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 4: this like correct? But yeah, I like running the brand

837
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 4: of me, running my coffee brand, flight fuel, Like there

838
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 4: are so many even just the business of like figuring

839
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 4: out how I'm going to next like create the next

840
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 4: video or work with the next person that I want

841
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 4: to work with. I think, Yeah, it's a lot of

842
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,439
Speaker 4: figuring it out myself. Being able to ask for help,

843
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 4: I think is a really important thing, and but giving

844
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 4: myself so much grace along the way that like if

845
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 4: I'm not doing something perfect or if I could improve

846
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 4: on something, just knowing that like that is okay that

847
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 4: I didn't do it right the first time. Neither of

848
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:48,439
Speaker 4: my parents are in the industry, like a lot of

849
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 4: my friends, my age aren't doing the exact same thing

850
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 4: that I'm doing. So I'm really like just taking it

851
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 4: day by day and learning along the way, but allowing

852
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 4: myself to give give grace when it's not the perfect thing.

853
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 3: Well, you're doing damn good, So thank you. Okay, So

854
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 3: let's let's just talk about Glee for a second, because

855
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 3: I want to know about your some of like your favorites, like,

856
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 3: tell me about so much.

857
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 2: Well you For example, you said you go to the

858
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 2: gym and listen to Glee songs.

859
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 4: I will, so I think, so do you have right? Well?

860
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 4: And I think you maybe it responded to my story

861
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 4: last year about because Glee cast was my number five

862
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 4: for in my Spotify wrapped of Artists. I was like,

863
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 4: what are you doing? But it really depends on it

864
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 4: depends on my like mood. I brought up Rocky Corps

865
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 4: because I do listen to the Rocky ho or Hma.

866
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 4: What is the title of that album? Yeah, oh yeah, yeah,

867
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 4: so that is the one I listened to the live

868
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 4: album often. Total Eclipse of the Heart is one of

869
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:21,439
Speaker 4: my favorites. It's just oh the Christmas albums, Oh my God,

870
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 4: like I and I really did. I'm a cliche and

871
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 4: I'll own it. Like I learned so many classics and

872
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 4: so much music from the show Glee, Like there were

873
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,439
Speaker 4: so many songs that I did not know, so many

874
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 4: Journey songs specifically I did not know before like tuning

875
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 4: into the show. But I love that obviously the Britney

876
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 4: Spears songs. I remember, I would do a I would

877
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 4: just perform a dance to Toxic the Glee version for

878
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 4: like my friends at any time. I think that's how

879
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 4: most people you.

880
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 2: Were popular, is what you're saying.

881
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 4: What sure? Yeah, yeah, I think like most people work

882
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 4: for you. It didn't. I in retrospect, I think maybe

883
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 4: people were making maybe making a little fun of me

884
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 4: during that, But I I think I that's probably how

885
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 4: most people found out I was gay. Also Bad Romance

886
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 4: the Glee version, and Naya Rivera does a growl like

887
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 4: I mean she at anytime she's saying, it's just absolutely incredible.

888
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 4: But it is River Deep, Mountain High. I mean I

889
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 4: just like, yeah, it's it's almost like all of the

890
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 4: all of the memories fled back. There are so many.

891
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but okay, okay, okay.

892
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 4: You asked like a specific question, and did I.

893
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 3: Give you Jim your Jim Glee playlist my gym? Do

894
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 3: you have like a playlist for Glee for the gym?

895
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 4: There there's not a specific playlist because I will go

896
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 4: through the als and I know there are certain ones

897
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 4: that I really like. The music Volume four, Volume three

898
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 4: obviously has a lot of those ones that I was

899
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 4: hitting on the power of Madonna. Yeah, it does a

900
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 4: lot for me.

901
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 2: You're in there.

902
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 4: Deep, this is I'm no, no, no, no, it is.

903
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 2: It's love that in twenty twenty two, Glee cast was

904
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 2: number five on his Spotify and it's.

905
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 4: It's it's funny because like I don't pop, they're bops

906
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 4: and I don't really realize I'm listening to it as

907
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 4: much as I am, but I sure am.

908
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

909
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 2: I think it's always fun for us because we don't

910
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 2: know we have songs that we're fans of right amongst

911
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,919
Speaker 2: the Glee songs, and like hearing about experiences people going

912
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 2: to the tour or what songs they like are really

913
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 2: interesting because we can't have that perspective, of course, what

914
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 2: people actually like out there in the wild.

915
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 4: Yes, I mean the Proud Mary also was one that

916
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 4: you guys are all in wheelchairs during that number.

917
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I recently saw this article, by the way, that

918
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 2: someone had been an article of like the eleven worst number.

919
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: No, do you see crowd? Mary was in that.

920
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 2: Well, it wasn't about this, they said the version was good.

921
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 2: It was the context of us all being wheelchairs.

922
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 4: Sure.

923
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,479
Speaker 3: Sure, But of all the things that that Glee did,

924
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 3: I think that's the least offensive because we were we

925
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 3: were rallying around already for support versus a billion other

926
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 3: things we're doing. Speaking of that unhinged storylines, like, were

927
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 3: there any of your favorite or your your least favorite?

928
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,720
Speaker 1: Like unhinged storylines?

929
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 4: Oh, I mean this isn't This wasn't one of my

930
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 4: least favorites. But I do remember almost crying when the

931
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 4: moment happened when Mercedes has an eating disorder and starts

932
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 4: seeing people as food in the cafeteria and then Quinn

933
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 4: has a conversation with her about what it was like

934
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 4: eating for two. I remember playing it back for my

935
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 4: mother because I thought it was so impactful. Yeah, I

936
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 4: was like, mom, this is beautiful.

937
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 2: The show's changing lives.

938
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 4: It was like, Quinn is I mean, this is like,

939
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 4: oh gods, God bless.

940
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: It was a really good scene, though, I have to

941
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:25,720
Speaker 1: say it was beautiful.

942
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 4: I mean, there were a lot of moments in the

943
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 4: show that even if the storyline was a little questionable,

944
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 4: like they were hitting an overall positive message, you could.

945
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 2: See where they were coming from.

946
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 4: I could totally see where they were going. But I remember, yeah,

947
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 4: during that like specific scene, like Amber is sitting in

948
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 4: the nurse's office and Quinn is like when you're eating

949
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 4: for two it's and I was just like, that is

950
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 4: my little teenage life was changed. And I also just

951
00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 4: met Diana for the first time, also in France, and

952
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 4: I am obsessed with her in so many ways.

953
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 2: She just she's like rainbows.

954
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 4: She was also like so unbelievably she's just like her.

955
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 4: Her vibrations are so I guess you would call that vibes,

956
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 4: but she's just You're You're immediately like chill, You're calm.

957
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh my god, like I need your aura

958
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 4: around it always.

959
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 3: But she'll just like break down into like a dance

960
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 3: in the middle of like anywhere, and You're like, yeah.

961
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 4: I'm obsessed, and I'm obsessed with that.

962
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

963
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 4: So that was definitely a storyline that I felt stuck

964
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 4: with you.

965
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: I felt my favorite seems to shoot.

966
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 3: We like getting in those costumes, like stop laughing. It

967
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 3: was really one of our favorites, right, Like it will

968
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 3: go down in history.

969
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 4: I also just the whole production of Glease. I think

970
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 4: it was impactful. It will always always hit for me.

971
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: That one's farther in my memory, but we're going to

972
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:01,240
Speaker 1: get there at some point.

973
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, for sure, I think because I wasn't

974
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 2: in it. Again, don't have really any recollection. Yeah, if

975
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 2: I wasn't immediately involved, the memory is not good.

976
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:17,240
Speaker 4: Oh yeah. And just the entire scene of like vocal

977
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 4: adrenaline doing Bohemian rhap City during the birth, I think

978
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 4: is maybe one of the best shot scenes in television history.

979
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:25,280
Speaker 1: Agreed.

980
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 2: I it's so absurd that it worked somehow.

981
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 4: Oh my, I mean, like Quinn's screaming and while it's

982
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:36,439
Speaker 4: all it's just like the musicality of giving birth, while

983
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 4: also the performance is happening at the same time. No, no, no, no, no,

984
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,760
Speaker 4: Like it's oh my god. Yeah, I was changed.

985
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 2: They don't make TV like that anymore, do they.

986
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 4: They don't. They never did before. Right, that was the

987
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 4: only time it ever happened.

988
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,399
Speaker 2: If there was a reboot of Glee and you were

989
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 2: on it. What would you want to sing?

990
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 1: Oh, go queshtym, it's big.

991
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I personally hate getting this question, so

992
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 2: good luck.

993
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is that is really tough.

994
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 3: Like what okay, so Tina, I give you an example, Tina,

995
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 3: we decided would be doing like Lavender Haze or Mastermind.

996
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 4: Oh oh yeah.

997
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 1: So you can pick a tailor.

998
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 4: It would it would definitely be a too. I don't

999
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 4: feel I would be too scared to do a Beyonce one.

1000
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 4: I feel like I could just never do it. Justice.

1001
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 2: That's how I feel, too, even though I would want

1002
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 2: to do that, but I couldn't touch it.

1003
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 4: Right right, Like maybe like I would do some poppy

1004
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 4: moment like blank Space or entirety of Harry Styles last time. Yeah,

1005
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 4: I could also like I would probably do like a

1006
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 4: one direction song. I would want to do a group

1007
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 4: number though, because I feel like my favorite things to

1008
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 4: watch were You're Guys's group numbers because they were just

1009
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:07,760
Speaker 4: so so yeah right right, Like, let me do something

1010
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 4: like that where it's like a heartwarming moment. But I

1011
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 4: would also just want to, like I don't know, serve

1012
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 4: and do something really fierce, like like wearing the costumes

1013
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 4: that you guys did during Bad Romance, like give me

1014
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 4: something like that.

1015
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was an intense.

1016
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 3: We met the fan, by the way, I like a

1017
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 3: really big fan recently who bought like a ton of

1018
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 3: auction items from the show and he.

1019
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,879
Speaker 1: Was like, I have your bubble costume and he has

1020
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 1: my polish. Oh my god, I think his name is Steve.

1021
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 4: The bubble costume. I mean that was like one of

1022
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 4: the best as well, Like it was what a costume

1023
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 4: to wear.

1024
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: It was a lot, but it was great.

1025
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 4: Yeah. At the end of the day, you guys were

1026
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 4: I mean I would assume so you guys were singing

1027
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 4: all of your backing vocals as well. No, no, no, okay.

1028
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 3: We would do the occasional background if you were doing

1029
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 3: a lead vocal. So if you go to the recording

1030
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 3: studio and you know, like Bad Romance, I went and

1031
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 3: record it, and then like they would have me do

1032
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 3: backgrounds on the court, like they would kind of push

1033
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:16,879
Speaker 3: to the top. But no, like somebody to love, none

1034
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 3: of our background vocals.

1035
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 2: Also, none of us are.

1036
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 3: We had an amazing team that Tim Davis, who was

1037
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 3: like our music extraordinary. He would go and he would

1038
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 3: do sessions with his like set background of vocalists and

1039
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 3: they were unbelievable.

1040
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 2: And the singers so yeah, they could learn it, they

1041
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 2: could hear it once. They would teach them all these

1042
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 2: crazy harmonies and just do it where if we were

1043
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 2: doing it, and we did sometimes more for a season,

1044
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 2: we did do more backgrounds, but then with the schedule

1045
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 2: there was not time because we went to the studio

1046
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 2: and record a full song in like forty five minutes

1047
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 2: the leads.

1048
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean you guys must have been in the

1049
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:58,879
Speaker 4: studio like almost daily for some of these things. Yeah.

1050
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, but became such a sort of a conveyor belt

1051
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 2: situation where you were the hop in do your thing,

1052
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 2: yeah wow, and you had those studio singers also each

1053
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 2: of us have each of them played us. Yeah, so

1054
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 2: then they would do our demo vocals. So then we

1055
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 2: also learned each other's voices in that way, so then

1056
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:20,320
Speaker 2: we could go in and lay down our leads quicker

1057
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 2: because one week if we had time learned it beforehand.

1058
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 2: But also they usually sing it in a style that

1059
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 2: our voices.

1060
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 4: Yeah. So would there be times here going into the

1061
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 4: studio like not really knowing the song and you're like, well,

1062
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 4: I've got to turn this out right now? Oh yeah? Wow? Yeah?

1063
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: There as played again, played again, played again.

1064
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 2: Which ruins us for any if you're doing music post gally,

1065
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 2: Like my expectation now is so I'm like, okay, a

1066
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 2: full song.

1067
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: I'm singing this all the way through.

1068
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 2: Right, We're doing word by word please.

1069
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 3: There was one song that we didn't get approved, like

1070
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 3: the artist didn't approve it, and we fully recorded the

1071
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 3: whole thing and it's great, but it it was a

1072
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 3: different producer than our normal producers. He's like, do you

1073
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 3: want to sing the whole thing like all the way

1074
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 3: through once? And I was like, just like, unheard of

1075
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 3: what's great? Love the way you lie that.

1076
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 4: All the way through? Yes?

1077
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: Oh some of it.

1078
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 4: Some of it approved because take a Bow is an

1079
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 4: episode two or something.

1080
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 3: So we think eminem or just the actual version of it.

1081
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 3: I think they had final approval heard or like no,

1082
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 3: thank you. But it ended up being that was shake

1083
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 3: it out, not check it out, shake wa check it

1084
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 3: out or check it off?

1085
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: Chake it out?

1086
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 4: Oh okay, yeah yeah, so it ended.

1087
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: Up being working out because I love that song.

1088
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 3: But yeah, that happened very It wasn't very often that

1089
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 3: like things didn't get put in, Kevin, did you have

1090
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Speaker 3: any numbers that, like you recorded that didn't make it

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Speaker 3: end like I did?

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Speaker 1: Tell him didn't make it in?

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Speaker 2: I did one I did, And I'm actually going to

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Speaker 2: text Adam after this to ask if they have it

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Speaker 2: because I wanted to hear it. It was a mashup.

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Speaker 2: It was I think it was Lady Gaga an Usher,

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Speaker 2: I think it was. It was like pure pop orgasm.

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Speaker 2: Oh pause, DJ got us fall in love again, and

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Speaker 2: I think just dance.

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Speaker 1: I remember that. Okay, Yes, I.

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Speaker 2: Need to find it. I've talked about it before, but

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Speaker 2: I really need to find it. Somebody has to have

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Speaker 2: it somewhere that.

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Speaker 4: We're done on that show. We're also just next level

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Speaker 4: like someone like you, someone like I mean, that's that's

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Speaker 4: number one, right, It's just incredible. You know.

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Speaker 2: What I do love is talking to people now so

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Speaker 2: many years removed and what songs are sort of like

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Speaker 2: living in the world still of what everybody universally understands

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Speaker 2: if like rumor has it, someone like you, somebody like you.

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Speaker 4: Someone like you, someone like you, someone like you.

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Speaker 2: We all loved it, we knew it was great, but

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Speaker 2: I feel like now we all understand how good it

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Speaker 2: really is, right, because I think we were turning out

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Speaker 2: songs every week, that it was this onslaught of new

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Speaker 2: music all the time, right, and now like the cream

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Speaker 2: has risen to the.

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Speaker 4: Top of which songs were like Run, Joey Run, Oh

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Speaker 4: my gosh.

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Speaker 3: People love it, I will say, like the Gleeks fandom

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Speaker 3: like loves it for some culty reason and I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't get it. Kevin gets it more than I do.

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Speaker 4: But I just think it's camp. It's camp. It is camp.

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Speaker 2: At the end of it is like I feel like

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Speaker 2: it is the perfect example of what Glee is.

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Speaker 3: No, that's not right, because it's insane insane, but it's

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Speaker 3: more insane than normal Glee. Like there's a better.

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Speaker 2: Is there a better version? I don't know. I think I'm.

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Speaker 4: Going to be honest. I never listened to the original

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Speaker 4: version of that song, and or do you need to?

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Speaker 4: I haven't heard it the Glee version of it. Only

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Speaker 4: ever heard that. Yeah, I mean walking on Sunshine and

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Speaker 4: Halo Too is pretty insane. That's kind of just a

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Speaker 4: wild number that happens.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely crazy. Yeah, fun but fun.

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Speaker 2: Chris, you have been overly generous with your time with this, I.

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Speaker 1: Know we're not going to keep you on this.

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Speaker 4: This is so much the fastest hour of my life. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I can't believe. Thank you so much, Thank you talking

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Speaker 4: about everything. Yes, I could go on. We'll have to

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Speaker 4: do this again.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Chris. It was so nice having you much sitting.

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Speaker 2: Out and so we can rub it in Heather endurance faces.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we gotta do we gotta throw it back

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Speaker 4: that way. Great, you're the best.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Chris.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening and follow us on Instagram at end

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Speaker 2: that's what you really miss pod and make sure to

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Speaker 2: write us a review and leave us five stars. See

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Speaker 2: you next time.