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Speaker 1: Welcome to Football Today, our midweek show. And guess what

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Speaker 1: we're doing. We're doing QBS in the playoff or one

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Speaker 1: game of the playoff, one game back of the playoff teers.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Bob, just gonna hear with my co

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Speaker 1: host Justin Pennock. Justin. If we're doing tiers of radio shows,

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Speaker 1: where would Dan Patrick Show be?

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Speaker 2: Hey? Number one? Thank you to the Dan Patrick Show

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Speaker 2: for allowing us to put one episode a week on here.

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Speaker 2: We also have two episodes that we do with Chris

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Speaker 2: Rose on Mondays and on Fridays, and we're on YouTube

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Speaker 2: as well. We also have our own podcast feed. But

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Speaker 2: thank you to Dan Patrick Show. It's been a lot

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Speaker 2: of fun being on there the last couple weeks.

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Speaker 1: All Right, if we're going historical intentional talk or Dan

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Speaker 1: Patrick Dan Patrick? Yeah, baseball, yeah, Justin. Let's get into

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Speaker 1: our playoff tiers. Why don't you set it up for us?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're going a through d I wanted to

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Speaker 2: have like fun tiers of like is this the guy

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Speaker 2: or I'm not confident this is the guy, or I

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Speaker 2: don't know, it's too early to find out. So I

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Speaker 2: wanted to have fun categories. But Bob Skinner hates fun.

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Speaker 2: So we're so we're doing A through.

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Speaker 1: D, and I'm viewing it more as like, great, you

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Speaker 1: are the reason. B is you should be the reason,

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Speaker 1: but I need you to see you do it first

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Speaker 1: in the playoffs, and then mine is like with the

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Speaker 1: right team, you definitely can do it, and then I'm

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Speaker 1: not confident that you have the capacities.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I kind of want to start off with

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Speaker 2: A because I think it's pretty obvious who some of

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Speaker 2: these top guys are. And I think it's also just

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Speaker 2: more fun to talk about top guys and then we

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Speaker 2: can get more critical as time goes on. Are you

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Speaker 2: for that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean, how many do you have in the

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Speaker 1: A tier? I have three? I have three as well too,

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Speaker 1: so we probably have the same three, correct.

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Speaker 2: I would presume that I and I did mine in order.

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Speaker 2: Mine too, mahomes Alan H. Stafford.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, so that's where we differ. I really like Stafford.

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Speaker 1: Stafford is nonumber four for me. Okay, I know that

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Speaker 1: he's had some playoffs struggles. I put Lamar in here.

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Speaker 1: What Lamar does on a weekend week out basis is amazing,

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Speaker 1: Like he like he lifts up everybody. Again, he's had

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Speaker 1: some playoff struggles. I agree, but he is. You know,

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Speaker 1: a two time MVP is possibly going to be a

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Speaker 1: three time MVP after this season, depending on how you

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Speaker 1: know hashtag narratives go over these last four weeks. But

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Speaker 1: I just for me, I love Stafford, and again he's

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Speaker 1: four for me. I only put like, you're an MVP

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Speaker 1: you can do it, but you.

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Speaker 2: Don't think Stafford has more Like in the playoffs in

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Speaker 2: the postseason, two minutes to go, you need a game

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Speaker 2: winning drive, Like I think it's clear, like I'd rather

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Speaker 2: have Matt Stafford making that, making that like, hey, that

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Speaker 2: beautiful throw to Pookinakool over the shoulder. Lamar can do it,

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Speaker 2: and I want There's probably no well, there's probably no

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Speaker 2: quarterback on this list that I'm rooting for more than Lamar,

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Speaker 2: But I just trust Stafford to do it at this

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Speaker 1: Possible. Yeah, sure, if you're talking about two minute drills, Stafford, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I probably give them the edge. But I think it's

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Speaker 1: more than just the two minute drill. When we're when

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Speaker 1: end of the day, Stafford has one playoff run, you know,

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Speaker 1: outside of one year he played. No But like Lamar

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Speaker 1: what I mean. Where I don't Stafford again is a

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Speaker 1: grade he'll have holder, he'll have Hall of Fame discussions

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Speaker 1: when Lamar retires, We're not having Hall of Fame discussions.

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Speaker 1: He's just going into the Hall of Fame, right right,

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Speaker 1: So you have to you have to be like that

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Speaker 2: But crossing that postseason bridge, I mean it is getting

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Speaker 2: last year, I banged my head on the table when

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Speaker 2: that's not the same team. So they're going to need

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Speaker 2: questions that I have about Lamar right now. Can I

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Speaker 1: And I agree, and I think that's a good reason

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Speaker 1: I'm still not putting Stafford above him right like you

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Speaker 1: in their playoffs. Now again, he's had some bad ones too.

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Speaker 1: The game against the Bengals two years ago, that was

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Speaker 1: most recent year, like he's played, he's went above and beyond.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's probably had the best losing effort quarterback,

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Speaker 1: and hell, maybe they go for two and win the

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Speaker 1: damn thick. But so I do I think there's good

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Speaker 1: Stafford's one playoff run is enough to move him over

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Speaker 2: I think you're also discounting the game against the Lions

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Speaker 1: It wasn't a playoff performance, when remember for the Ages,

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Speaker 2: He did outplay golf. But that Lion's team is just

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Speaker 2: so much better, all right. So that's my a. You

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Speaker 2: have mahomes Allan, I don't think there's any debating that.

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Speaker 2: I think some people would debate Alan, But I'm also

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Speaker 2: using the context of this season two and Alan's just

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Speaker 2: forth between him and Lamar every single week. And I

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Speaker 2: have Stafford third, and then you have Lamar in that

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Speaker 2: A that A tier.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so my B tier kicks off with Matthew Stafford

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Speaker 2: Oh and my beat this is weird, very different.

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Speaker 1: This is my elite tier. I haven't seen you do

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Speaker 1: it in the like Stafford is. Again, he's borderline. Herbert

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Speaker 1: seen them have playoff success. I know Stroud won a

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Speaker 2: Right, So my B tier, I have Jordan Love at fourth,

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Speaker 2: I have Baker Mayfield.

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Speaker 1: Next, you have Jordan Love over Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 2: I do I do? This is in the context of

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Speaker 2: the postseason, Yeah, but I feel like just showed it.

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Speaker 2: Man showed it last year falled out. I like the gutsiness.

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Speaker 2: my guys. So I have Jordan Love, there, Baker Mayfield,

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Speaker 1: I think Jordan Love has won one playoff game if

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Speaker 1: we had all if we're talking like, man, this guy

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Speaker 1: is just a He may not be the best qubing NFL,

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Speaker 1: but he showed. He showed from the playoffs year after

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Speaker 1: And we have at the end of the day, we

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Speaker 1: blew them out, you know, like it was part of

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Speaker 1: the defense. You know, I think they intercepted what deck

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Speaker 2: You don't think he played really well against the forty

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Speaker 1: He did, but he also at the end you talk

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Speaker 1: an exception, you know, which Again I'm not I'm not

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Speaker 1: Jordan Love play at a more consistent level before I

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Speaker 1: put him. Listen, I can make an argument for him

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Speaker 1: I I don't know if I'll ever be in that situation,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, But what about Baker and Golf.

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Speaker 1: I put I mean, I put them in the seat

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Speaker 1: tier they're they're I don't think they're elite quarterbacks. I

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Speaker 2: I think Baker need him to get this opportunity to playoffs.

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty confident they're gonna, you know, they're gonna get

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Speaker 2: the AFC South, They'll have their home playoff game. Who

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Speaker 2: top of your head, like who you play?

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Speaker 1: Who?

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Speaker 1: I believe the Vikings.

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Speaker 2: Fascinating matchup, you know both. Defense is kind of a

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Speaker 2: I think this year he's even better. He's already matched

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Speaker 2: his touchdown total from last year and reviewed last year

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Speaker 2: Interception rate is a little bit higher, but a seventy

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Speaker 2: the year where Chris Godwin's hurt, Mike Evans is hurt.

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Speaker 2: You know, the the tight end Kate Atton was, you know,

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Speaker 2: So this isn't a perfect team, and certainly Baker is

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Speaker 2: not a not a perfect quarterback. The sack rates relatively

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Speaker 2: low and it matches what he was doing last year.

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Speaker 2: They're better on early down, so they have a better

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Speaker 2: I think he has that swagger, and I'm excited to

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Speaker 2: see him in this year's postseason. I think he can

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Speaker 2: win a postseason game.

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Speaker 1: I am too, like Listen, he's throwing threw for three

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Speaker 1: he's second one finished on a bat interception. But it

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Speaker 2: Reel off your B tier, your B tier.

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Speaker 1: Gun. I only have three and this is not their

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Speaker 2: Who do you want to touch on first? Herbert or

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Speaker 1: Maybe Herbert because people are like, oh, well he the

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Speaker 2: Right, He's also had some bad fourth quarter moments, and

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Speaker 1: Herbert a lot. If you I like him, I put

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Speaker 1: him above C. J. Stroud. Uh again one playoff game

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Speaker 1: a little bit polarizing, but I just kind of don't

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Speaker 1: is he one yet? Okay, that's sick. What did what?

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Speaker 1: You know? What did Baker Mayfield win at this time

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I have Herbert as the first QB in my

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Speaker 2: could very much be very okay with full flopping him

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Speaker 2: bee I'm I'm very okay with that if you really

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Speaker 1: So how many what is your beat here? And how

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Speaker 2: Love? Baker Goff and then Lamar? I want to talk

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you have I want to talk. I want

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Speaker 1: to touch on Lamar Stroud. I don't have much touch

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Speaker 2: Eighth.

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Speaker 1: You think his playoff of force had been that bad,

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Speaker 1: Like you're basically saying he's a choke artist and I

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Speaker 2: Now he's gonna beat tier Man, Yeah, but you put.

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Speaker 1: Him eighth below guys like Goff and Baker and Love.

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Speaker 2: I just think they're they're possible postseason runs and their

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Speaker 2: based on past evidence, based on even the teams that

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Speaker 2: of Lamar, not based on talent. I'm not saying that

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Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson, Baker, Mayfield, Jordan Love, none of those guys,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you can't say all this just okay. So

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Speaker 1: he's like, listen, I think he's not performed to the

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Speaker 2: I would, if I really believe that, I would have

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Speaker 1: Or d' let's talk about C. Yeah. So for me,

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Speaker 1: this is my number seven through twelve. Jared Goff at seven,

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Speaker 1: Jordan Love, Baker Mayfield, Gino Smith, Jaden Daniels, Jalen Hurts. Okay,

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Speaker 1: this is my I can definitely see you getting to

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Speaker 1: don't see I don't see Geno getting to the super

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair. I think I think I approach it

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Speaker 2: the same way. And I'm going to talk about something

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Speaker 2: right after I give my seat here. Justin Herbert, I

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Speaker 1: You'll be glad you did. So again, I described this

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Speaker 1: Like I don't again, I said, Baker, Gino and Jaden.

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Speaker 2: want to talk about Stroud. I have some pretty pretty

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Speaker 2: he's a very very good quarterback but still a great

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Speaker 1: Where's Stroud overall in your rankings?

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Speaker 2: Three, six, seven, nine, nine?

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Speaker 1: Okay, I have him six, you have him nine. Mine

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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts? So I have Jalen Hurts at twelve. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'd be like, okay, but he played so well that

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Speaker 1: The Super Bowl he played extremely well, extremely well. Is

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Speaker 2: I don't think it also starts with your leadership too, right.

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Speaker 2: Hurts has fixed some of the bad issues that he's

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Speaker 2: like when two minutes ago or less, or four minutes

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Speaker 2: ago or less. They've barely been down in games, and

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Speaker 2: you just know in a postseason game, there may be

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Speaker 2: a situation where you're tied or you're trailing, and it's

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Speaker 2: not going to be sick One Barkley that's going to

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Speaker 2: save the day. It's going to have to be Jalen Hurts.

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Speaker 2: And how do you Eagles fans feel about that? Probably

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Speaker 2: not awesome.

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Speaker 1: Let's eliminate the touch push even though you can't. Who

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Speaker 1: would you rather have quarterback in that Eagles team? Geno

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Speaker 1: Smith or Jalen Hurts?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Man, that's a I mean with the concepts that

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Speaker 2: they run where it's really downfield, right, with the weapons, I.

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Speaker 1: Would take Gino kind of yeah, which is crazy? Which

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Speaker 1: is crazy? Was the defender. I was like, I don't

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Speaker 1: like you say whatever you want about weapons. He's operating

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Speaker 1: this flawless thing and that just hasn't been that since Jayden.

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Speaker 1: I got to see it in the playoffs before I

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Speaker 1: put I have him at eleven. I just got to

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Speaker 1: see it in the playoffs. I know the Commanders haven't

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Speaker 1: been as fun recently, and they smacked the shit out

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Speaker 1: of the Titans and then have their bye week, So

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Speaker 1: my C tier is seven through twelve, Golf Love, Mayfield, Gino,

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Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels, and then Jalen Hurts at twelve, even though

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Speaker 1: I think the Eagles have the second best chance. Actually no,

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Speaker 1: we talked about the Packers and Vikings might have a

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Speaker 1: good chance to get out of there. But right so,

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Speaker 1: that means we have one tier left. That's the D tier.

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Speaker 2: That's the D tier.

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Speaker 1: How many do you have in the D tier?

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Speaker 2: I have four.

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Speaker 1: I have four as well too, I hope though that

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Speaker 1: would be my thirteen through sixteen thirteen Russell Wilson, same fourteen,

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold, fifteen bow Knicks, sixteen Kirk Cousins. This is

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Speaker 1: my I don't believe in you to lead your team

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Speaker 1: to the super Bowl, and if you did, it would

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Speaker 1: be an amazing story of how everyone else on that

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Speaker 1: roster did so well.

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Speaker 2: I put the two rookies down here just because I

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Speaker 2: want to see it. I got to see something, you know.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to make a proclamation about any of

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Speaker 2: these guys. I'm excited to see them in a post

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Speaker 2: season environment. I think both of them can maybe even

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Speaker 2: do a little bit well. I have Russ, I have

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Speaker 2: Russ thirteenth as well. Then I have Jayden Daniels, then

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Speaker 2: I have Bo Nicks, and I have If I could

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Speaker 2: make an Ean and F tier, I would put Kirk

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Speaker 2: Cousins on there because I just I just don't believe

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Speaker 2: in Kirk Cousins right now. And you know, he could

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Speaker 2: still roll the ball somewhat well, but he can't move

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Speaker 2: and he's making these bad decisions and all that shit.

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Speaker 1: If Kirk, if this was Kirk Cousins before the injury,

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Speaker 1: he'd I think he'd be top of the Sea tier

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Speaker 1: for me. Now he's like, it's just it's really ugly.

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Speaker 1: And again you see high like you watched this most

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Speaker 1: recent game. You see high level quarterback and stuff. But

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Speaker 1: he can't move, he can't push off, and he has

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Speaker 1: these interceptions where they're not just a bad decision, it's

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Speaker 1: just like you know, layup duck paired with bad decision

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Speaker 1: interceptions like leading the league in interceptions this year.

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Speaker 2: All right, So now Steelers fans are mad at us

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Speaker 2: once again because we're disrespecting the Pittsburgh Steelers and we're

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Speaker 2: disrespecting Russell Wilson. What we both have him in the

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Speaker 2: same spot and in the same ranking. A part of

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Speaker 2: that for me is we've barely seen him throw the

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Speaker 2: ball in the fourth quarter this year. Like it's actually

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Speaker 2: kind of crazy where I think like forty nine attempts

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Speaker 2: that he's had in the fourth quarter this year. So

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Speaker 2: I kind of equated this as like a clutch list,

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Speaker 2: and I think Russell Wilson can be clutch. We've seen

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Speaker 2: him be freaking clutch. He was literally won a super

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Speaker 2: Bowl right went to another one, was at the doorstep

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Speaker 2: of winning a second one. I just don't fully, I

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Speaker 2: don't fully believe it in the postseason, and especially when

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Speaker 2: you're in the AFC. Like you said, basically any quarter.

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Speaker 2: But if you face Lamar, I give Lamar Jackson the edge. Right,

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Speaker 2: if you're playing CJ. Stroud, even though I think the

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Speaker 2: Texans have issues, I give CJ. Stroud the QB edge.

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Speaker 2: If you're facing Josh Allen Mahomes, of course you're giving

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Speaker 2: them the edge. So leave Russ them a little bit

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Speaker 2: of a tough spot.

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Speaker 1: Again, I want to believe in Russ. You know when

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Speaker 1: that first year in Denver's like is he just bad? Now?

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Speaker 1: Like that's hard to believe. I And hey, some of

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Speaker 1: this is the Steelers offensive personnel, right, maybe with maybe

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Speaker 1: if he had the Eagles personnel, we'd be much higher

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Speaker 1: on Russ. Sure, I need to see a awesome game

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Speaker 1: versus a awesome defense, and I don't think we've seen

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Speaker 1: that yet for Russ. We haven't seen these bad games

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Speaker 1: versus good defenses, but we haven't seen the awesome game

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Speaker 1: against a good defense. You know where his best games

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Speaker 1: are against the Bengals terrible, you know, the Giants, he

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Speaker 1: played well, the Jets, and then outside of that, he's

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Speaker 1: thrown two hundred yards or less.

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Speaker 2: Essentially, Yeah, he's ad two game against the Browns, I

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Speaker 2: mean this past week, and he won.

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Speaker 1: But he's certainly enough again, and I listen, I think

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Speaker 1: the Steelers team is capable of making a run. I

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Speaker 1: absolutely do. I think the defense is that good, and

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Speaker 1: I think Russ is running that offense the way it should.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think he's lifting you up the way

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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks that I have ahead of him, right, and listen,

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Speaker 1: I could move I can move Russ up to a response,

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Speaker 1: but nonetheless, I just I'm gonna if the Steelers, Vikings, Broncos,

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Speaker 1: or Falcons make it. I just don't think it's we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be talking. We will be because it's a quarterback league.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we're talking about like these great quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: that led their teams. I think it's just going to

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Speaker 1: be like, this is a great team effort.

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Speaker 2: If you're mad at me for having Russell Wilson below

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Speaker 2: Gino Smith and Sam Donald, I'll give you that. Hey,

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Speaker 2: I'll move him up behind. But I'm not what do

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Speaker 2: you what do you got?

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I was saying, like, are you buying into

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Speaker 1: the Sam Donald shit? We talked about how the Vikings

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Speaker 1: offense it looks makes everybody look good, Like are you are?

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Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not bought into that. If the Vikings

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Speaker 1: decide that they want to resign him, then I would,

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Speaker 1: But it's everything that's being being signaled out of there.

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Speaker 1: It's like, no, we're not resigning this guy. So it's

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Speaker 1: like if he was really that guy, then they would

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Speaker 1: be like, hey, I understood, we drafted quarterback. We found

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Speaker 1: a guy. Okay, we're gonna We're not gonna let that

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Speaker 1: go for an unknown.

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Speaker 2: I want to see what their schedule is because I

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Speaker 2: think they have some big games. I mean they play

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Speaker 2: the Bear of Seahawks, Packers and Lions. If they finished

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Speaker 2: the season really freaking strong, and they you know, maybe

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Speaker 2: even they go back to back weeks of playing the

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Speaker 2: Packers and the line strong, or maybe even beating one

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Speaker 2: or both of them, then I'll like, I'll buy into

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Speaker 2: a I believe momentum is the thing in sports, I

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Speaker 2: really do. And if they could heat up late in

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Speaker 2: the season with that really really tough schedule, you're on

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Speaker 2: the road against Seattle and then you play Green Bay home,

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Speaker 2: and then you're on the road against the Lions January fifth,

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Speaker 2: that game probably will mean maybe will mean something for seating.

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Speaker 2: I'll buy into it a little bit more, but right

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Speaker 2: now not I think they're good, but I'm not super

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Speaker 2: bought in yet.

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Speaker 1: Right all right, So let's recap go from sixteen to

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Speaker 1: one for a so D tier for me sixteen starting

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Speaker 1: with Kirk Cousins, Bo Nicks, Sam Donald, Russell Wilson thirteen

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Speaker 1: through seven, and the C tier Jalen Hurts, Jaden Daniels,

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Speaker 1: Gino Smith, Baker Mayfield, Jordan Love, and then Jared Goff

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Speaker 1: at seven the B tier. You wish I should have

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Speaker 1: went one through sixteen. I'm gonna go one through sixteen.

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Speaker 1: A tier Mahomes, Alan Lamar, B, Tier four through six, Stafford,

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Speaker 1: Herbert Stroud, C. Tier seven through twelve, Goff, Love, Baker, Gino,

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Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels, Jalen Hurts, and then my last four Russell Wilson,

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Speaker 1: Sam Donald, bo Nix and Kirk Cousins.

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Speaker 2: Starting with the A. Mahomes, Allen, Stafford, B, Jordan Love, Baker, Mayfield,

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Speaker 2: Jared Goff, Lamar, Jackson going down to see Jalen Hurts, C. J. Stroud,

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Speaker 2: Justin Herbert, Sam Donald, Gino Smith, and then d I

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Speaker 2: have Russell Wilson, Jaden Daniels, bow Knicks and Kirk Cousins.

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Speaker 2: Please leave a comment and let us know how dumb

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Speaker 2: we are.

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Speaker 1: Shoot us all right, that's an episode. We'll see you

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Speaker 1: find us in the street, Melbourne, Florida. Find me all right,

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Speaker 1: that's an episode. Appreciate you guys as always. Please don't

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Speaker 1: come find me. We'll see you on the next one.

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Speaker 1: Until then, that's football today,