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Speaker 1: This is episode thirteen of Native Lamppod, where we give you.
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Speaker 1: You are your hosts, Angela Ride, Tiffany Cross and Andrew Gillham.
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Speaker 4: Not fingerwaves okay? And trying to clown me because I
Speaker 4: don't have my hair done today when we were on
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Speaker 1: This week, we are getting into the fact that lawmakers
Speaker 1: in Tennessee recently voted to fire the entire board.
Speaker 2: Of Tennessee State University.
Speaker 1: Does this have anything at all to do with the
Speaker 1: fact that the state os TSU more than two point
Speaker 1: one billion dollars? Probably and sticking with the dirty South
Speaker 1: Texas holding them all right. Crystal Mason recently ended her
Speaker 1: year's long battle for trying to vote in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: She got an Eastern miracle after her five year prison
Speaker 1: sentence for casting a ballot in Texas's twenty sixteen election
Speaker 1: was overturned by the Court of Appeals. So massive voter
Speaker 1: fraud is finally confirmed. Right, not so much y'all have
Speaker 1: been asking, So we are finally answering. On this week's
Speaker 1: deep dive, we dig into Project twenty twenty five. It
Speaker 1: is nothing more than proof that one side is gearing
Speaker 1: up for political war and another is treating this election
Speaker 1: like it's just one of them days. Maybe that's what
Speaker 1: Meet Mills meant when he said the odds against you,
Speaker 1: and they double stacked.
Speaker 2: Stay woke, you too, Meet you too.
Speaker 1: After the deep dive, stick around for politics are everywhere.
Speaker 1: Washington State has passed a new Stripper's Bill of rights,
Speaker 1: and sadly, tiff it does not include our much needed
Speaker 1: work lessons.
Speaker 2: Oh well, let's go rude.
Speaker 6: Yeah, have we ever ever vacated the entire board of
Speaker 6: a university before?
Speaker 7: Have we ever done that?
Speaker 8: But an HBCU that we owe two billion dollars too?
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, we're gonna take We're gonna take their board.
Speaker 7: You know, we're gonna We're gonna hold.
Speaker 8: Them hostage, and we're gonna say you need to shut up.
Speaker 7: About your two billion dollars.
Speaker 8: You better sit down and shut up and accept.
Speaker 7: The crumbs we send you.
Speaker 8: The optics of this are horrendous.
Speaker 7: You're going off the cliff. Don't do it. Don't do
Speaker 7: it to yourself, and then wonder.
Speaker 8: Why the press is attacking you and saying.
Speaker 1: Things and saying things. And boy, do we ask something
Speaker 1: to say on this. So as you can see here,
Speaker 1: last week, the Tennessee State House voted sixty six to
Speaker 1: twenty five in favor of dis miss the entire board
Speaker 1: of Tennessee State University. As you might guess, the legislature
Speaker 1: holds a large Republican majority who claim they are concerned
Speaker 1: about governance and financial mismanagement. Boy, we heard of that before.
Speaker 1: And I want to tell y'all, I think the real
Speaker 1: issue is that in September, the Biden administration sent a
Speaker 1: letter from Secretaries Corodona and Vilsack of Education and Agriculture, respectively,
Speaker 1: to several states that have land grant institutions, including Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri,
Speaker 1: North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, and West Virginia.
Speaker 1: And do you know of all of the recipients of
Speaker 1: those letters, the one with the largest debt to a
Speaker 1: school to a land grant institution was Tennessee with two
Speaker 1: point one billion dollars, as referenced in bo Mitchell sound
Speaker 1: just there. I want to play justin Pearson sound a
Speaker 1: legislator also from Tennessee, who you all know has been
Speaker 1: making a lot of waves.
Speaker 2: And then I want to hear y'all weigh in.
Speaker 7: This is wrong and immoral.
Speaker 9: This perpetuates the racism of previous generations into legislation today.
Speaker 9: The University of Tennessee, a predominantly white institution, and the
Speaker 9: state's other land grant university, did in fact get its
Speaker 9: full state funding each year.
Speaker 7: Some years the University.
Speaker 9: Of Tennessee even got more than it's required funding levels.
Speaker 9: The Tennessee State University was denied for those resources, and
Speaker 9: because they were denied the resources, there weren't problems that occurred.
Speaker 7: But instead of us.
Speaker 9: Rectifying the problems that we created through racist policies by
Speaker 9: underfunding Tennessee State University, we're now advocating to.
Speaker 2: Vacate their board man.
Speaker 1: Okay, so weigh in here, y'all is this is a
Speaker 1: spicy one, and I think it's an extension of what
Speaker 1: they've been calling DEI attacks, affirmative action attacks.
Speaker 2: All of that.
Speaker 1: So I want to hear from you, Andrew. You went
Speaker 1: to a land grant institution called Florida A and M University.
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear from you first.
Speaker 5: You know. Well, so let me just say justin was
Speaker 5: going down The representative was going down the lane of
Speaker 5: describing the difference between the two land Grand institutions that
Speaker 5: exists in the state of Tennessee. So what is it
Speaker 5: UT Knoxville University of Tennessee. Knoxville is the other federally
Speaker 5: granted land gran I think they're in eighteen hundred and
Speaker 5: early eighteen hundred lang Grand institutions. So is Florida A
Speaker 5: and M University. What that means is the Department of
Speaker 5: Agriculture of the United States of America allocates or a
Speaker 5: set of federal dollars that make their way to those institutions,
Speaker 5: and then the state has to meet its side of
Speaker 5: the bargain, which is to fund both of their how
Speaker 5: do you say land grand institution at their required levels.
Speaker 5: What the representative was saying was UT Knoxville got its
Speaker 5: money every single year, and in some years in excess
Speaker 5: of what they were required to have been allocated by
Speaker 5: the legislature, and the case, however, of Tennessee State University,
Speaker 5: the other established languorine institution, many of the years were
Speaker 5: never funded at the level that was required. They just
Speaker 5: all wholesale misfunding Tennessee State University. And so for those
Speaker 5: who misunderstand whether this is reparations or if this is
Speaker 5: ill gotten gains that just never got gotten, understand that
Speaker 5: the state of Tennessee failed to meet their legal obligation
Speaker 5: to fund the black school at the same level that
Speaker 5: it was required to fund, but it funded the white
Speaker 5: school at the required level in many years above the
Speaker 5: required level. To my opinion, Tennessee State. First of all,
Speaker 5: Glinda Glover is an incredible leader. She's the president of TSU.
Speaker 5: She is also, i think she's still simultaneously the president
Speaker 5: the international president of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority Incorporated. A
Speaker 5: woman who was a supporter of my campaign for governor,
Speaker 5: a woman who I would consider a friend, a woman
Speaker 5: who when she lived as a young person in Washington,
Speaker 5: d C. Grew up under the tutelage of Mary and Barry.
Speaker 5: When she was a student up in Washington, d C,
Speaker 5: intern FORARS campaign, So she understands hard knocks fighting right well,
Speaker 5: it has not yet appeared to me whether TSU understands
Speaker 5: the kind of fight the students, the alumni, the supporters,
Speaker 5: the national community ought to be rising up right now
Speaker 5: in defense of TSU because their failure to meet their
Speaker 5: obligation there to suspend summarily the entire board without any justification.
Speaker 5: The audit that was done there angela correct me if
Speaker 5: I'm wrong, didn't reveal any legal issues malfeasance. They were
Speaker 5: technical auditing practices and some recommendations for improvement the legislature.
Speaker 5: There is not hiding who they are, how they feel.
Speaker 5: They're doing it out loud and on purpose. Within minutes
Speaker 5: of the legislation passing y'all to dismantle that board, within minutes,
Speaker 5: the governor had already renamed all new eight members of
Speaker 5: the board. This was no debate, There was no deliberative
Speaker 5: process being had by legislators. Those folks went in there
Speaker 5: and they gang banged their way using the guise of
Speaker 5: the law to dismiss a board who was demanding the
Speaker 5: two billion dollars they would do. And they told them
Speaker 5: to shut up. They wouldn't shut up. They were told
Speaker 5: them to sit down somewhere. They wouldn't sit down somewhere
Speaker 5: and what happened. The state just decided we'll get rid
Speaker 5: of the troublemakers and replace them with folks who are
Speaker 5: going to be obedient and subservient. You know.
Speaker 1: To this point, tif I wanted to raise Andrew said
Speaker 1: he was talking about the regularly available data in the
Speaker 1: letter to the Governor of Tennessee, Bill Ye.
Speaker 2: They say using.
Speaker 1: Readily available data from the National Center for Education Statistics,
Speaker 1: basically saying like, we ain't spend no extra taxpayer money
Speaker 1: on this to figure out that there was this funding
Speaker 1: gap between your eighteen ninety land Grand Institution and your
Speaker 1: eighteen sixty two Land Gran Institution. But there is a
Speaker 1: two billion, one hundred and forty seven million, seven hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty four thousand, seven hundred and four dollars gap
Speaker 1: in funding. Yeah, over thirty years. That's just over the
Speaker 1: last thirty years, by the way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just want to take him in and talk
Speaker 4: about HBCUs and the magic that they possessed, not only
Speaker 4: for those who attended. And this is no dis to
Speaker 4: people who went to a PWI, but it is exhausting
Speaker 4: sometimes when people are like, well, I went to a PWI,
Speaker 4: but there were so many Black people was like MACEBCU.
Speaker 3: No, it wasn't.
Speaker 4: When we saw Black panther and people talked about Wakanda.
Speaker 4: I say this all the time we lived in Wakanda.
Speaker 4: We had that experience and they are magical places which
Speaker 4: means so much to us as a people, but not
Speaker 4: just to us as a people, to the country. HBCUs
Speaker 4: comprised three percent of all universities and colleges, but enroll
Speaker 4: ten percent of all black students and account for eighty
Speaker 4: percent of black judges, twenty five percent of black science professionals,
Speaker 4: seventy percent of dentists and physicians, and forty percent Angelo
Speaker 4: will appreciate this, forty percent of members of Congress, and twenty.
Speaker 3: Percent of all black college graduates.
Speaker 4: And the economic impact of all of this is over
Speaker 4: fifteen billion dollars to the US economy. HBCUs are the
Speaker 4: primary drivers lifting Black people out of poverty into the
Speaker 4: middle class. According to some reporting by The Washington Post,
Speaker 4: the funding gap per student went from four hundred dollars
Speaker 4: per student to foum jobs per student at HBCU sixteen
Speaker 4: hundred dollars per student at a PWI, and that was
Speaker 4: just between twenty three and twenty fifteen, those numbers have
Speaker 4: since expanded.
Speaker 3: To Angela's point that she was given this was.
Speaker 4: A policy that was enacted by the Republican controlled state legislature,
Speaker 4: which Angela pointed out signed into law by the Republican governor.
Speaker 4: These are all elected positions. Tennessee has a high population
Speaker 4: of black folks. The down ballot races matter. HBCUs matter.
Speaker 4: The letter that Angela referenced, it wasn't just the two
Speaker 4: point one billion oh to Tennessee State, it was the
Speaker 4: twelve billion OD to all those HBCUs housed in the
Speaker 4: states that Angela ticked off. Please, we cannot let HBCUs
Speaker 4: die become defunded. Even if you didn't attend an HBCU,
Speaker 4: it's all of our problems. But if you did attend
Speaker 4: an HBCU, please make sure you're a booster. You're giving back,
Speaker 4: you're contributing something in some way because they are so
Speaker 4: important to us as a community but also us as
Speaker 4: a country. And Andrew, you can testify. You're on the
Speaker 4: board of trustees at FAM. You HBCUs are strapped, and
Speaker 4: there are always students who need money. They'll be students
Speaker 4: who are two thousand dollars short of graduating or ten
Speaker 4: thousand dollars short of graduating. So then the faculty, because
Speaker 4: they love you, run around and try to find money
Speaker 4: anywhere to get these students to graduate. And they're like
Speaker 4: literally friendship groups who are like, yeah, I just need
Speaker 4: two thousand dollars. I have a student in my class
Speaker 4: or my friend's son is studying at at HBCU and
Speaker 4: needs money. The students themselves need so much money, and
Speaker 4: the funding often comes from outside sources. So I implore
Speaker 4: people pay attention to this because I don't think it'd
Speaker 4: be the last school we see you face something like this.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Tiff Angela.
Speaker 5: Can I also say, isn't there a isn't there a
Speaker 5: rally or tech?
Speaker 1: There was a rally that took place on Monday, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and I don't think that will be the last of
Speaker 1: these actions. To Tip's point, this is only one of
Speaker 1: the states that owes millions or billions of dollars to
Speaker 1: their AI eighteen ninety Langer institution. And with that, everyone,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a break and be right back.
Speaker 10: First of all, I like to thank everybody for coming.
Speaker 10: Spent a long journey started in two thousand and sixteen
Speaker 10: for fulling out a provisional ballet that never counted. Two
Speaker 10: thousand and seventeen, I was convicted for I was charged
Speaker 10: with illegally voting, and in two thousand eighteen, I was
Speaker 10: convicted to five years. I've been out now for six years,
Speaker 10: over six years on the up pill bun fighting to
Speaker 10: stay free, and yesterday I finally got that news that
Speaker 10: I was acquitted from all charges. Spent a long time coming.
Speaker 10: I'm so grateful. I'm so humbly grateful, and I knew
Speaker 10: victory would be there I come, and I'm just so
Speaker 10: glad that the judges did the right thing. And again
Speaker 10: I just asked you keep me in your prayers and
Speaker 10: keep my family uplifted, because again I'm just again just overwhelmed,
Speaker 10: trying to stay trying not to cry. And I'm yeah,
Speaker 10: thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: That was Crystal Mason at a press conference last week,
Speaker 1: right after she found out that she won her appeal.
Speaker 1: She'd been out on appeal bond and Crystal was charged
Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen for voter fraud after she voted while
Speaker 1: still on supervised release from prison. She says she had
Speaker 1: no idea that she was not allowed to vote and
Speaker 1: only did so because of the encouragement of her friends
Speaker 1: and family. She casted a provisional ballot, which was never
Speaker 1: actually counted, and still in twenty eighteen, she was convicted
Speaker 1: and sentenced to five years in prison for election fraud.
Speaker 1: She's been outfighting the case ever since. It cost her
Speaker 1: two jobs and an untold amount of emotional and financial stress.
Speaker 1: She had the PRIs I had the privilege of moderating
Speaker 1: a panel that Crystal set on last year with the
Speaker 1: United Justice Coalition and learned about her story, her courage,
Speaker 1: and was so impressed with her and her bravery. I'm
Speaker 1: so happy that she can move on with her life
Speaker 1: and just want to flag for the audience that Texas
Speaker 1: tried to make an example out of Crystal. Republicans you'll
Speaker 1: hear often talk about how big of an issue voter
Speaker 1: fraud is, and they would know because they're the ones
Speaker 1: who competed or actually engaging at rit large. But voter
Speaker 1: fraud is a problem point zero zero zero three percent
Speaker 1: of the time according to the Brennan Center for Justice.
Speaker 1: So with that, I don't know if y'all want to
Speaker 1: weigh in, but I just think it's an example of
Speaker 1: injustice in this country being served, and this is one
Speaker 1: time where she was able to slip out of its grasp.
Speaker 5: Well, Angela, I'm glad that you emphasized the point that
Speaker 5: she cast a provisional ballot. And for you all who
Speaker 5: have never cast a provisional ballot before, those are ballots
Speaker 5: that if there is any question about your legal ability
Speaker 5: to either vote, or if you are in the wrong precinct,
Speaker 5: or if you're given the correct ballot or not, those
Speaker 5: ballots are not counted at the same time that all
Speaker 5: other legitimately cast ballots are counted. They are set aside
Speaker 5: to be later cured by a panel of people who
Speaker 5: look through and figure out whether or not this is
Speaker 5: right or it isn't. If if there was an issue,
Speaker 5: it would have been caught there right. So it already
Speaker 5: tells us the ballot never got counted, she voted provisionally,
Speaker 5: and the fact that she then gets prosecuted. Your point
Speaker 5: around this was a shot over the bow. This is
Speaker 5: a message to everybody else who might even attempt this,
Speaker 5: that we can put you in legal jeopardy, costs you
Speaker 5: your reputation, your livelihood, and so much else, all because
Speaker 5: we don't want to see you at the polls, you
Speaker 5: or anybody like you. And I'm just glad that in
Speaker 5: this case, you know, justice was had properly. But I'm
Speaker 5: fearful for the next case, and the next case, and
Speaker 5: the next case and the case after that, because everyone's
Speaker 5: not gonna be able to walk away with this same outcome.
Speaker 5: And I just think that federally, if we have the
Speaker 5: right to vote, this guaranteed federally, there should be no
Speaker 5: state able to trump the right of your federal right
Speaker 5: to participate.
Speaker 4: Unintended, no states should trump the right of your right
Speaker 4: to vote. I you know, I will say about this, Andrew,
Speaker 4: this is something that hits close to home for you.
Speaker 3: Republican Governor Ron DeSantis.
Speaker 4: Started arresting people the last election cycle, which was devastating
Speaker 4: to see. But I think the scariest part of this,
Speaker 4: which which it feels like we're, you know, having a
Speaker 4: reach back in history this entire episode is the pendulum
Speaker 4: is swinging and so we see these types of draconian
Speaker 4: laws that our own we aimed at fear and suppression,
Speaker 4: literal suppression of your vote. So to all the people
Speaker 4: out there who say, if I was alive during the
Speaker 4: Civil rights movement, I would fill in the blank. Whatever
Speaker 4: you're doing right now is what you would have been
Speaker 4: doing during the Civil rights movement. We are under constant attack,
Speaker 4: not only our liberty but our livelihood, and it is
Speaker 4: time for everybody to do a little, so not just
Speaker 4: a few people are left to do a lot right now.
Speaker 4: Our voting rights are under attack right now. The way
Speaker 4: we live and survive is under attack. Right now, Our
Speaker 4: schools are under attack. The way we educate our children
Speaker 4: is under attack. Whatever you're doing is what you would
Speaker 4: have been doing then. And if you're doing something, send
Speaker 4: us footies and let us know. Like, we want to
Speaker 4: shout people out who are actually doing something, and it
Speaker 4: has to go beyond hashtag activism but actual boots on
Speaker 4: the ground. So I'll shout out right now Cliff and
Speaker 4: Latash Brown, who are constantly on the ground doing this
Speaker 4: work from you know, advocating for Tennessee State, but also
Speaker 4: for voting rights and Southern black girls and everything in between.
Speaker 2: Okay, now we have a listener question.
Speaker 11: Hey, my name is Aris and I'm from California and
Speaker 11: I am interested in your thoughts if you have any
Speaker 11: at this point on the next presidential cycle in twenty
Speaker 11: twenty eight, I realized it's a bit early. We have
Speaker 11: not actually voted this year. However, our choices are pretty
Speaker 11: much set in stone. It's a particular interest to me
Speaker 11: as a California native, because I have watched our current governor,
Speaker 11: Gavin Newsom make moves, particularly in the last four years,
Speaker 11: that make it clear to me that he is eyeing
Speaker 11: a run for president. We also have our current Vice president,
Speaker 11: Kamala Harris, who is a California native, has held state
Speaker 11: and local office here and actually run for president.
Speaker 7: Hopefully she will be.
Speaker 11: The incumbent party's VP and a lame duck term. Typically
Speaker 11: that person gets a bit of difference. I know there's
Speaker 11: still primaries, but they get a bit of difference. However,
Speaker 11: Kamala isn't the typical VP. Do you think she'll get
Speaker 11: that difference or will someone like Gavin move ahead and
Speaker 11: become a front runner.
Speaker 5: What do you mean by well names?
Speaker 3: Is that what you said?
Speaker 2: Paris? Yeah?
Speaker 5: I like her.
Speaker 3: I like that name.
Speaker 5: Eric.
Speaker 4: Thank you for that question. I think kudos to you
Speaker 4: for being forward thinking and thinking about twenty twenty eight
Speaker 4: and so I don't want you to think I'm not
Speaker 4: answering your question. I hear it, and I hear the
Speaker 4: candidates you're putting out there. I do want to say
Speaker 4: the uncautioned people, because this frustrates me when we start
Speaker 4: talking about twenty twenty four and twenty twenty one. As
Speaker 4: soon as one election cycles over, the media runs to
Speaker 4: look at the next cycle. I would say a week
Speaker 4: is an eternity in politics, and I would caution people
Speaker 4: from thinking that twenty twenty eight candidates are already set
Speaker 4: in stone. I imagine in two thousand and four people
Speaker 4: thought that until a young senator by the name of
Speaker 4: Barack Obama came on the scene and disrupted a political dynasty.
Speaker 4: I would imagine that at some point people thought John
Speaker 4: Edwards was a you in to be the Democratic nominee
Speaker 4: for president, until a little affair popped up and he
Speaker 4: was knocked out. Every October we have an October surprise,
Speaker 4: So I would say, let's focus on this particular election,
Speaker 4: because you'd be surprised.
Speaker 3: At how things change.
Speaker 4: But more importantly, we're at a point of an existential
Speaker 4: threat to our country. I don't know that we'll have
Speaker 4: a democracy in existence in twenty twenty eight, so I
Speaker 4: think we're all really preoccupied with twenty twenty four right now,
Speaker 4: even though I completely understand your question and thank you
Speaker 4: for sending it. Send it again in four years, and
Speaker 4: we'll definitely break it down those new slate of candidates,
Speaker 4: because I hope there's some more young blood, because we
Speaker 4: should have a wider choice of people to choose from.
Speaker 5: Can I just say, Tiffany, your point is well taken,
Speaker 5: because God knows, we'll talk about the topic later, but
Speaker 5: the underpinning of democracy is certainly at risk. But I
Speaker 5: will say that Aris is to Aris's intent, it is
Speaker 5: true the race has started before the race has ever begun.
Speaker 5: And the only thing I would submit is I think
Speaker 5: probably both the candidates you mentioned, the California as you mentioned,
Speaker 5: will probably be considered. But I also know that there
Speaker 5: are gonna be people whose names we cannot call right now,
Speaker 5: who may show up and pop off, similar to what
Speaker 5: Tiffany mentioned about Barack Obama, the little known state senator
Speaker 5: come US senator, And so I think it'll be a
Speaker 5: crowded feel and I don't think there's gonna be any
Speaker 5: difference given to anyone unless Biden was able to legally
Speaker 5: run for a third derm, which he can't, so I
Speaker 5: don't think there's gonna be much difference come around the
Speaker 5: next Democratic primary.
Speaker 1: And with that, we got to pay the bills. We'll
Speaker 1: be back after this break with a deep dive on
Speaker 1: Project twenty five.
Speaker 12: What is Project twenty twenty five? It is everyone here,
Speaker 12: this is the movement. We are going to be prepared
Speaker 12: day one, January twenty twenty twenty five to hit the
Speaker 12: ground running as conservatives to really help the next president.
Speaker 12: Heritage got on the book on the marker as an
Speaker 12: organization by delivering the first mandate for leadership in nineteen
Speaker 12: eighty to President elect Reagan. This task in twenty twenty
Speaker 12: four is too big for any one think tank. This
Speaker 12: has to be a movement, and what we've done is
Speaker 12: use our convening power haired Heritage to bring the entire
Speaker 12: movement together. So twenty twenty five is not a Heritage thing,
Speaker 12: it's a Conservative movement thing. What we're doing is systematically
Speaker 12: preparing to march into office and bring a new army
Speaker 12: of aligned, trained, and essentially weaponized conservatives ready to do
Speaker 12: battle against the deep state.
Speaker 1: That was Paul Dan's from Project twenty twenty five telling
Speaker 1: us the truth about what this really is the one
Speaker 1: thing I want to flag for y'all. On the outset
Speaker 1: is Peter Navarro, who is credited with being the master
Speaker 1: architect of Project twenty twenty five, was just sentenced to
Speaker 1: serve time in federal prison two weeks ago for refusing
Speaker 1: to comply with the congressional subpoena about his role in
Speaker 1: the insurrection. And alas, here we are with the insurrectionist Blueprint,
Speaker 1: also known as twenty Project twenty twenty five. All nine
Speaker 1: hundred plus pages of it have been shared with you,
Speaker 1: Tiff and Andrew. I did not go through every single page,
Speaker 1: but I went through enough. And here's the thing that
Speaker 1: stood out to me. Woke progressivism, woke culture warriors, woke bureaucrats,
Speaker 1: woke extremism, woke propaganda, woke agenda, wokeism, woke dominated system
Speaker 1: of public schools and university, woke revolutionaries whoa radicals, supposedly
Speaker 1: woke faction, woke policies in corporate America, woke gender ideology,
Speaker 1: and even the Department of Education got some strays with
Speaker 1: as a convenient one stop shop for.
Speaker 2: The woke education cartel. Do you notice the trend?
Speaker 13: I do?
Speaker 3: Can? I?
Speaker 2: Is this crazy?
Speaker 4: I just can I just I want to discover a
Speaker 4: little bit of background for the viewers. So this is
Speaker 4: the birth child of the Heritage Foundation. The Heritage Foundation
Speaker 4: is a very conservative think tank that came out under
Speaker 4: President Nixon, so that should tell you something. But they
Speaker 4: really started gaining traction of power under President Ronald Reagan.
Speaker 4: The Project twenty five A lot of organizations, a lot
Speaker 4: of groups, a lot of constituencies have policy agendas. So
Speaker 4: policy or Project twenty five is kind of like that,
Speaker 4: but extremely more dangerous. And I'll tell you why. It's
Speaker 4: a board of more than eighty conservative organizations all's one
Speaker 4: hundred Now Project is one hundred, one hundred organizations, all
Speaker 4: linked in this whole cesspool of policies to dark money,
Speaker 4: including Leonard Leo, who was very influential in shaping the
Speaker 4: Supreme Court of the United States under Donald Trump, very
Speaker 4: attached to him. It does not respect the separation of
Speaker 4: church and state, and it is literally trying to reimagine
Speaker 4: the executive brands of government. You heard him say weaponized conservatives.
Speaker 4: They've put millions of dollars in their political arm Heritage
Speaker 4: for America. The interesting thing about this Angela U and
Speaker 4: Andrew you both probably know this. Heritage Foundation used to
Speaker 4: be led by a black woman, k Cole James, who
Speaker 4: is a Hampton University graduate and sister girl was definitely
Speaker 4: parroting all the talking points, all the ridiculous statements coming
Speaker 4: out of Heritage Foundation.
Speaker 2: They're not new.
Speaker 4: A lot of these policies aren't even new, they're just
Speaker 4: repackaged and put out there. The reason why we should
Speaker 4: take this seriously, because like I said, a lot of
Speaker 4: groups will put out these policy agendas is because they
Speaker 4: have all aligned. And so Andrew makes this point. I
Speaker 4: don't want to steal your point, Andrew, but Andrew makes
Speaker 4: the point all the time that we talk about Donald
Speaker 4: Trump and the Republican Party as though they're separate things,
Speaker 4: and they have now merged. The Republican Party is now
Speaker 4: run by right wing zealots and MAGA extremists. These are
Speaker 4: the people they are beholden to. And so the whole
Speaker 4: list that Angela just ran down. Should Republicans take the
Speaker 4: presidency and potentially the House and potentially the Senates, they
Speaker 4: will be able to rough house and ramshot all of
Speaker 4: these policies through at the federal level, which is their agenda.
Speaker 4: And Angelo go through all of it. I have more
Speaker 4: questions than I do answers, but I want to punctuate
Speaker 4: how dangerous Project twenty twenty five is. It's not the
Speaker 4: first time we've seen it, and hopefully it will be
Speaker 4: the last time we talk about it.
Speaker 3: But I have my doubts.
Speaker 2: And Andrew, uh huh.
Speaker 5: You know, I Agreechiff, the dangers here can't be underscore.
Speaker 5: So all of us know the name Koch Brothers. We say,
Speaker 5: it is talked about all the time, very wealthy Koch
Speaker 5: brother Industries, Da Da Da Da Da. Well, before there
Speaker 5: were the Koch Brothers, there was Richard Mellon's. He is
Speaker 5: the person responsible for founding the Heritage Foundation and setting
Speaker 5: up the initial cadre of conservative organizations that didn't exist
Speaker 5: then but were created in the mid nineteen seventies after
Speaker 5: Republicans felt frankly annihilated after Nixon's stepping down from the
Speaker 5: White House. At that time, liberals frankly actually had organization.
Speaker 5: They had funded media outlets, they had funded think tanks,
Speaker 5: their ideas had gotten traction. They had just passed the
Speaker 5: Voting Rights Act. We were thriving in many ways, and
Speaker 5: at that point, rich white men as represented by scathe,
Speaker 5: Melonscafe Mills, Cokes, all those folks. They were top five
Speaker 5: cores as we know the cores be a corps family.
Speaker 5: The top five Sservative donors got together and put tens
Speaker 5: of millions, now hundreds of millions of dollars into building
Speaker 5: what we now know today as the new Conservative movie.
Speaker 3: They were aided by white women under school to add.
Speaker 5: That, no doubt about it, but certainly this was these
Speaker 5: were white men and billions of money either inherited or
Speaker 5: manipulated through the system, and they put their money back
Speaker 5: in protecting their hides. Now this is this is where
Speaker 5: I found the danger of Tiff and Angela. It is
Speaker 5: that these folks. Before it was about getting Republicans elected
Speaker 5: right and governing through the elected process. Now it is
Speaker 5: about the tens of I don't know hundreds of thousands
Speaker 5: of federal workers who will now be replaced as public servants,
Speaker 5: which means these are these are individuals who serve regardless
Speaker 5: of whether there's a democratic or Republican administration. Where these
Speaker 5: folks kept getting caught up were because they wanted to
Speaker 5: achieve one goal. But career service people, professionals who work
Speaker 5: in the Department of Agriculture and Energy and education will say, oh,
Speaker 5: I'm so sorry, mister secretary, you can't do that, because
Speaker 5: that's against the law per section such and such and
Speaker 5: such and such and such. Well, they don't want people
Speaker 5: checking them like that. They want loyalists who are willing
Speaker 5: to do whatever the executive says. These people envisioned something
Speaker 5: that is known as the unitary executive, and what that
Speaker 5: means is not just. They don't believe in a separation
Speaker 5: of powers. They don't believe in a separation of states,
Speaker 5: separation of governance, meaning the judiciary the executive in the legislative.
Speaker 5: They believe that the president, when elected president, has allsought
Speaker 5: the power. I have news for those folks. We got
Speaker 5: rid of that when we were founded. The American Revolution
Speaker 5: was about throwing off the yoke of the unitary executive
Speaker 5: the king. We don't elect kings in the United States
Speaker 5: of America. So if anybody ever gets deluded that these
Speaker 5: folks are actually championing democracy, that these folks actually believe
Speaker 5: in standing up, protecting, conserving the constitution, or that their
Speaker 5: strict construction is we hear that term a lot of
Speaker 5: times referred to Republicans or conservatives that's not what it
Speaker 5: is at all. They only believe that to this end
Speaker 5: that their agenda wins. When their agenda doesn't win, they
Speaker 5: don't believe in the judiciary, they don't believe in the legislative,
Speaker 5: and if the president is the problem, they don't believe
Speaker 5: in the executive at that time. There are no commitments
Speaker 5: to beliefs, as we've all heard in politics, no permanent friends,
Speaker 5: no permanent enemies, only permanent interest So their interests and
Speaker 5: their beliefs and their philosophy is all about winning for them,
Speaker 5: and the moment that they're not winning or their philosophy
Speaker 5: can be offended at any moment, and that's where we
Speaker 5: are right now.
Speaker 2: That's I think the thing. So we talked about the
Speaker 2: Koch brothers.
Speaker 1: We talked about the one hundred plus organizations who've signed
Speaker 1: on to this cotion to participate in dismantling the federal
Speaker 1: government department by department, agency by agency, appointee by appointee
Speaker 1: and burrowed in employees.
Speaker 2: Yes, but they would burrow in, which is also not new.
Speaker 1: They talked about it being an issue long before even
Speaker 1: Barack Obama was president, and people burrowed in they would
Speaker 1: be political and they just found the safest career job
Speaker 1: and they stay there. They've been talking about doing that,
Speaker 1: and now I think now it's on a larger scale.
Speaker 1: I think the other thing that's very fascinating to me,
Speaker 1: I just want to acknowledge that I envy their ability
Speaker 1: to unite around some common goals. I am jealous of it.
Speaker 1: I am frustrated by the fact that we don't have
Speaker 1: something like this, we meaning Black folks, that represent our interests,
Speaker 1: because when we do. I talk about it all the time,
Speaker 1: the Black Agenda that was put forth by the Black
Speaker 1: to the Future Action Fund, by our dear sister Alicia Garza.
Speaker 1: It is like pulling teeth to get Black folks to
Speaker 1: support something that benefits our best interests. They want to
Speaker 1: know who wrote it, why they wrote it, When did
Speaker 1: they write it, Who's in charge?
Speaker 2: Was it a man.
Speaker 1: If it's not a man, I can't get behind it.
Speaker 1: If it was a woman, is a woman that I like?
Speaker 1: All of that is so frustrating to me, and I
Speaker 1: get so upset when we can't set aside a thing
Speaker 1: to focus on the main thing. And they've done this
Speaker 1: here and they've been doing it for many years. Here's
Speaker 1: one place where I will say that they have a
Speaker 1: big benefit. Speaking of DEI and dollars, they didn't earn.
Speaker 1: They put the dollars they didn't earn towards something that
Speaker 1: benefits them in a very towards a common.
Speaker 2: Goal twenty two million dollars.
Speaker 1: So I bet, I'm just thinking we probably could get
Speaker 1: on the same page, and we probably could move the
Speaker 1: needle a little bit further down the road if we
Speaker 1: had the same resources they have to expend on these things,
Speaker 1: whether it's Americans for Prosperity, or the American Legislative Exchange Council,
Speaker 1: or the Heritage Foundation or now twenty twenty five, all
Speaker 1: of which have benefited from the infrastructure that they've been establishing.
Speaker 2: Frankly since sixteen nineteen. How about that.
Speaker 4: Well, there may be a point of disagreement here because
Speaker 4: I so I think the Republican Party they're easier to
Speaker 4: coalesce because they have one common goal.
Speaker 3: I mean, racism is at the root of everything they want.
Speaker 4: So I don't want to compare black folks to them
Speaker 4: like our I think our fractured interest is because we're
Speaker 4: not a homogenous group of people. We have different interests,
Speaker 4: we have different goals. I think that's the beauty of
Speaker 4: us as a people. And I often hear people credit
Speaker 4: the Republicans with like, oh, but they have such a
Speaker 4: simple message or they're better at communicating. I don't know
Speaker 4: if that's true. I think their audience is a little
Speaker 4: more simple and wilfully ignorant to a lot of things
Speaker 4: around policy. I think on the left and look, listen,
Speaker 4: ignorance extends to no matter what political party, no matter
Speaker 4: what kills our economic background. Yeah, exactly, it's not partisan. However,
Speaker 4: I think on the right side you have people who
Speaker 4: are just pretty much flatlined. They're an easier group to coalesce.
Speaker 4: On the left, you have people who I would argue
Speaker 4: are a bit more curious about things, are not so
Speaker 4: easily manipulated, and is a much bigger tent of people,
Speaker 4: and so we all represent our interest passionately. On the right,
Speaker 4: you you know, have something that's very complicated, like the
Speaker 4: Affordable Care Act, and you could throw out something like
Speaker 4: death panels and people will latch onto it. On the left,
Speaker 4: it's a little more intellectual. People have questions about that,
Speaker 4: and certainly when it comes to black folks, I think
Speaker 4: we because we have been so out of the process
Speaker 4: for so long. We have been denied for so long
Speaker 4: that now that we're in this process, I think we've
Speaker 4: done an amazing job of working together and being a
Speaker 4: tight community and supporting each other and fighting for a
Speaker 4: lot of our rights in a much more wholesome and
Speaker 4: holistic way than the Republican Party, whose entire agenda is
Speaker 4: based on hate and hating other people who they think
Speaker 4: is taking something from them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that their their agenda.
Speaker 1: If I could andrew just really quick, their agenda is
Speaker 1: more simple. But I think it's intellectually dishonest too for
Speaker 1: us to say everyone who votes conservative is dumb.
Speaker 2: I agree, you know, like I think that we have
Speaker 2: to be careful with that.
Speaker 1: I'm also saying that they're the the organization behind and
Speaker 1: the operation behind what they've done is actually massive and
Speaker 1: it's incredibly intricate, even if the messaging is simple, I
Speaker 1: think that it would be really uh, it's not smart
Speaker 1: for us to say that it's not very complex.
Speaker 2: They have five oh one C three C fours pass.
Speaker 1: They have again an American Legislative Exchange Council, which is
Speaker 1: boilerplate legislation for people in all fifty states, to send
Speaker 1: in and to ensure that it all gets past. That's
Speaker 1: what all this anti DEI legislation is now in thirty
Speaker 1: plus states.
Speaker 2: So it is incredibly complex and it we could argue.
Speaker 1: That many of them are focused just on the racism
Speaker 1: of it all, but it started under the guise of
Speaker 1: fiscal conservativism. Even when you look at their four pillars
Speaker 1: that they're all saying that they had to agree on,
Speaker 1: they're still really broad and honestly, Joe Biden's border policy
Speaker 1: fits in with number three.
Speaker 2: I'll read it. It says, restore the family. This is
Speaker 2: number one.
Speaker 1: Restore the family as the centerpiece of American life, and
Speaker 1: protect our children. We know what that really means to
Speaker 1: somebody else. Maybe it means something exactly what it is.
Speaker 1: Number two, dismantle the administrative state and return self governance
Speaker 1: to the American people.
Speaker 2: Expect for what is Yovagina.
Speaker 1: Number three defend our nation's sovereignty, borders and bounty against
Speaker 1: global threats. Sounds like it might not be a bad
Speaker 1: idea if you don't read between the lines. And four
Speaker 1: secure our God given individual rights to live. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: to live freely, I said to lie to life freely
Speaker 1: that too, to live freely what our Constitution calls the
Speaker 1: blessing of liberty. So when you hear these things on
Speaker 1: their face, they don't sound bad. But when you get
Speaker 1: into the nine hundred plus pages and they want to
Speaker 1: dismantle the Department of Justice and they want to ensure
Speaker 1: that a president can manipulate what's happening in the FBI
Speaker 1: and DOJ to target political opponents, that reads a little differently.
Speaker 2: So I just I think that there's something smart here.
Speaker 5: I there is something smart. But guess what they got
Speaker 5: it from us. Before there was ever an American Legislative
Speaker 5: Exchange Council, there was something known as the Center for
Speaker 5: Policy Alternatives. This was a national coalition of progressively aligned
Speaker 5: legislators across all fifty states of the United States, and
Speaker 5: they came together, produced the Policy Manual every year, and
Speaker 5: then progressive legislators in the states to take those policies
Speaker 5: and then work toward implementation. Know that that pre existed,
Speaker 5: what the right existed. A lot of people know me
Speaker 5: as a candidate, but before as a candidate and while
Speaker 5: I was running for office and serving an office, I
Speaker 5: was part of yielding progressive pipelining. In my case, it
Speaker 5: was candidate development recruitment, and then after that it was
Speaker 5: gathering those same people that we saw and helped get
Speaker 5: elected to make sure that they were then pushing the
Speaker 5: policies that would advance our goals. Tiffany, I agree with
Speaker 5: you from the standpoint that there's some is so much
Speaker 5: easier to organize people who are all similarly interested in
Speaker 5: the same thing, and that same thing we can all
Speaker 5: differ about. But I think that same thing is about
Speaker 5: We've had power for a very long time. There are
Speaker 5: threats to our access to that power. We exist to
Speaker 5: maintain our power. The Koch brothers are not gratuitous. The
Speaker 5: reason why they helped build a conservative pipeline on the
Speaker 5: right is because they are the largest polluting industries. The
Speaker 5: coke industries and the subsidiaries that they own are among
Speaker 5: the largest polluters in the country. So it would make
Speaker 5: all the sense in the world to see them elect
Speaker 5: conservative who are anti EPA, who are judges who say,
Speaker 5: oh no, we're not going to be the big enforcement state.
Speaker 5: We are going to be the little, small government state
Speaker 5: where these issues are handled discreetly and not with a
Speaker 5: big hammer like the EPA. They were acting in their interests.
Speaker 5: I'll say this, I think the left has fallen off
Speaker 5: on girding up our institutions that then advance our ideas.
Speaker 5: These but with the right has taught us is that
Speaker 5: they are willing to go all the way in and
Speaker 5: constitution be damned and courts be damned, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 5: We're willing to go all the way in to conserve
Speaker 5: our power. The reason why the Left, I think, is
Speaker 5: a harder group to organize and coalesce around a single
Speaker 5: idea is because largely we're motivated by what our need is,
Speaker 5: just as the right is. Their need is to maintain
Speaker 5: the power that they've always had for us. Our need
Speaker 5: might be food on the table, gas in the tank, women,
Speaker 5: protections at the workplace, and all so with autonomy on
Speaker 5: their bodies. Black people's ability to go to schools are
Speaker 5: then our ability to maintain those same institutions. When those
Speaker 5: institutions start producing black folks who then end up becoming
Speaker 5: successful parts of boards, elected officials, potentially presidents of the
Speaker 5: United States, and then they challenge our power. So what
Speaker 5: do we do? We go and delegitimize their institutions so
Speaker 5: that they can't continue to produce the folks who are
Speaker 5: going to threaten our power. The right is the right
Speaker 5: is they're no more brilliant than we are. We did
Speaker 5: this first, they learned from us, and then we fell
Speaker 5: off the bus because our needs, as basically as they
Speaker 5: may be, became more divergent with the diversity of people
Speaker 5: in our coalition and the needs that each of us
Speaker 5: have had. And so we've got to get back to
Speaker 5: the basic yaw. And even if we were dealing with
Speaker 5: your point here, Angela, which is just amongst black folks,
Speaker 5: how do we do this? My suggestion would be one
Speaker 5: we need to get a political operation in order that
Speaker 5: trains the candidates we want to see then can get
Speaker 5: those folks successfully elected. Right, So there's a whole political
Speaker 5: arm to this thing we have that.
Speaker 2: We don't support it.
Speaker 5: See a lot of yes we do.
Speaker 1: We have the CBC Institute, let me tell you collective
Speaker 1: doing that. We have the Joint Center, which almost went
Speaker 1: completely under because we don't support the things that we have.
Speaker 5: This is what I'm talking about, Angela. That that that
Speaker 5: is the point to be had here, which is from
Speaker 5: a resource standpoint, the left has money.
Speaker 2: Not talking about the left, you got money plenty.
Speaker 5: Every no but but This is why it's but but.
Speaker 8: But.
Speaker 5: The left doesn't exist without the Blacks. In fact, the
Speaker 5: left doesn't exist at all and could never exist without us.
Speaker 5: And so if you are interested in advancing the left's agenda,
Speaker 5: then your interests must coincide with building an electoral operation that,
Speaker 5: by the way, doesn't just train, doesn't just elect, but
Speaker 5: has a hammer at the end of the day, which
Speaker 5: means if you don't do what you committed to doing,
Speaker 5: if you get in there and then you get sold
Speaker 5: out to the power interests that you were elected to dismantle,
Speaker 5: we are taking you out, all right, We're taking you
Speaker 5: So our enforcement mechanism has to exist on a level
Speaker 5: that's bigger than the fact that we share the same
Speaker 5: skin tone. That, ain't it. We can be that right.
Speaker 5: You just gave examples of the Hampton woman who used
Speaker 5: to be you know, over heritage. They got them everywhere.
Speaker 5: I would venture to argue that the people who are
Speaker 5: being appointed to the board of trustees at Tennessee State University,
Speaker 5: who all may look like us, have a different interest
Speaker 5: in mind. They didn't get a pointer on the same
Speaker 5: that they that the others got booted out for no reason.
Speaker 5: All right, So we got to be suspicious about those intentions.
Speaker 5: But we have the power to build those same structures
Speaker 5: on our side and maintain them on our side. We
Speaker 5: just have to decide that that's what we're in the
Speaker 5: interest of doing. And instead, I think we all get
Speaker 5: freaked out by election cycle to election cycle, we have
Speaker 5: this big old threat of democracy diminishing over our heads,
Speaker 5: and we compromised our way out of what we want
Speaker 5: and sake of what we know, and sake of what
Speaker 5: we have available at this current h.
Speaker 4: But I just want to say I agree with everything
Speaker 4: you said, Andrew, and I just think it's tragic that
Speaker 4: you are not on like every campaign ought to be
Speaker 4: calling you, every consultant group ought to be calling you,
Speaker 4: because this is the work that you've done, and you
Speaker 4: just informed me. I mean mine was much more anecdotal,
Speaker 4: and then they get all their shit from us. The
Speaker 4: way that black folks have organized in this country has
Speaker 4: cast a wide net of influence across the globe, so
Speaker 4: even their language comes from us. They didn't know what
Speaker 4: woke was ten years ago. They literally cut in paste
Speaker 4: and none of this stuff is new. We've already had
Speaker 4: to make America great again.
Speaker 3: Candidate.
Speaker 4: That was Ronald Reagan, that was his whole slogan. We
Speaker 4: already saw all these policies come out as a Nixon error,
Speaker 4: and that's why I think it's so important to say
Speaker 4: they were aided by white women because Phyllis Slapley let
Speaker 4: a whole army of folks trying and even physical conservative
Speaker 4: movements Angela are rooted in racism. So I think we
Speaker 4: all agree the same, but I think we all have
Speaker 4: different approaches. I think this could be a mini pod personally,
Speaker 4: but I think we all have different approaches. It needs
Speaker 4: to be come to how to get there, But I
Speaker 4: know we got to move on and to I have
Speaker 4: a question for you because so, okay, we see this
Speaker 4: policy that the Heritage Foundation has putting out Project twenty
Speaker 4: twenty five. Let's say, worst case scenario, Donald Trump is
Speaker 4: elected and the Republicans have one of the chambers of Congress,
Speaker 4: the upper Chamber and the senator lower chamber in the House,
Speaker 4: how likely is it that this policy will start to
Speaker 4: take shape? How likely will they be able to reimagine
Speaker 4: the executive branch of government because they can't do much
Speaker 4: without congressional approval.
Speaker 2: Well, first and.
Speaker 1: Foremo host Project twenty twenty five is already well underway, Like,
Speaker 1: this isn't something that they're waiting for Donald Trump to
Speaker 1: be elected for.
Speaker 2: The point where they would have to wait for his election.
Speaker 1: Is around who gets into these schedule f jobs, federal
Speaker 1: government jobs that aren't appointed. The part that they would
Speaker 1: need to wait for, who is appointed as those cabinet secretaries,
Speaker 1: other federal appointments that are not Senate confirmed. If they
Speaker 1: have you said, he has a chamber, if he has
Speaker 1: the Senate, he can confirm his full slate of judges,
Speaker 1: his full slate of everybody that is senior enough in
Speaker 1: the administration that needs a Senate confirmed appointment. So there's
Speaker 1: a lot that they can do. He can do a
Speaker 1: lot with the executive order. If Donald Trump is elected again,
Speaker 1: he will dare the Supreme Court to challenge anything that
Speaker 1: he tries to get through via executive order. And I
Speaker 1: think it will be including things that should be reserved
Speaker 1: for legislation.
Speaker 2: So I yeah, like at this point, go ahead.
Speaker 5: I agreed, Angela, and I would just say this, Remember
Speaker 5: we used to we would we heckled Mitt Romney about
Speaker 5: the binders full of women. That's when they say it's
Speaker 5: talking about candidate's heaps. This is the binder full of conservatives.
Speaker 5: What they are building are the resumes of individuals that
Speaker 5: they want to go in. And Angela talked about the
Speaker 5: appointment level. But what makes this even more dangerous is
Speaker 5: that they're talking about this at the careers. They're saying,
Speaker 5: we want you in the fuck. Fuck the appointments. Excuse me, lord,
Speaker 5: please forgive me, y'all, forget the appointments. This is about
Speaker 5: We're going to go into these departments and staff up
Speaker 5: with conservatives who will effectuate our agenda regardless of who
Speaker 5: the president is. And if the president is the president
Speaker 5: of our choosing at this time, then you act in
Speaker 5: their interest. If they're not, then you act in our interest,
Speaker 5: and you be a stop gap to whatever progressives may
Speaker 5: want to do, because now you're part of the wheel
Speaker 5: that keeps this machine running, and that that we have
Speaker 5: to all be terrified. Well we all want.
Speaker 1: This is my last thing on this. I just want
Speaker 1: to point out to Tip's point on page four of
Speaker 1: the nine hundred page document. In the forward, it says,
Speaker 1: today the American family is in crisis. Forty percent of
Speaker 1: all children are born to unmarried mothers, including more than
Speaker 1: seventy percent of black children.
Speaker 2: They go on to talk.
Speaker 1: About pornography must be outlawed illicit drug. Their product is
Speaker 1: as addictive as idiolicit drug and as psychologically destructive as
Speaker 1: any crime.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's I just think that.
Speaker 5: The trip on this pornography. When the Republican Convention was
Speaker 5: held in Florida down to Tampa a couple of years ago,
Speaker 5: the hotels, the highest search rates they had were to
Speaker 5: porn sites, and the and the strip of houses sol
Speaker 5: record profits over the.
Speaker 2: Super Bowl or I Am not confused about the hypocrisy.
Speaker 1: All I'm saying is if they can slide that twenty
Speaker 1: two million over this way, we watch out because We've
Speaker 1: always been able to do a lot with a little
Speaker 1: and I'm just saying we ain't got the same resources.
Speaker 3: But what can I say?
Speaker 5: My challenge is to is to the progressive white donors
Speaker 5: who who want to be in alignment, stand up some
Speaker 5: money and allow us to build the institutions that protect
Speaker 5: us and move our issues more progressively forward.
Speaker 2: If they're not afraid of DEI challenge it.
Speaker 4: I just want to say the most important thing that
Speaker 4: Angela said that I hope everybody takes note of Project
Speaker 4: twenty twenty five is already underway. The Civil War didn't
Speaker 4: start with the first gunfire between the Union and the Confederacy.
Speaker 4: Battles don't start with the first knuckles thrown. Like the
Speaker 4: battle is already happening. We are already in the thick
Speaker 4: of it. So if we're all sitting around waiting for
Speaker 4: the big bad boogey Man, the big bad boogey Man
Speaker 4: is here.
Speaker 1: I just want to say, for the record, y'all don't
Speaker 1: even want to talk about this. Y'all thought you were
Speaker 1: gonna have nothing. I knew you was lying.
Speaker 2: Anyway, we got a lot, You got a lot. We
Speaker 2: got warmer commercial break.
Speaker 1: But we will be back and we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about a new strippers Bill of Rights in Washington Stit.
Speaker 3: Yes, strippers, I got something.
Speaker 1: We just got done talking about Republicans pornography in strippers.
Speaker 1: And here we are now talking about a Democratic Governor
Speaker 1: Ja Nsley signing the Stripper's Bill of Rights into law
Speaker 1: in Washington State, which he did on March twenty sixth.
Speaker 1: The bill was sponsored by state Senator Rebecca Saldana.
Speaker 2: And we have a clip.
Speaker 5: It's pretty simple. While we're passing this bill, These are
Speaker 5: working folks, and working people deserve safety in the environment
Speaker 5: in which they work.
Speaker 7: Knew it for.
Speaker 13: Governor Jay Ensley has signed a bill into law that
Speaker 13: will improve safety at strip clubs in Washington. He was
Speaker 13: surrounded by the bill supporters this afternoon. Senate Bill sixty
Speaker 13: one oh five is the so called Stripper's Bill of Rights.
Speaker 13: One of the major changes that bill implements is to
Speaker 13: remove the Lewd Conduct Code in Seattle, which could pave
Speaker 13: the way for strip clubs to serve alcohol. That bill
Speaker 13: also means places like Supernova in Seattle will have to
Speaker 13: cap fees that clubs can charge dancers, install panic buttons,
Speaker 13: and ensure security staffing requirements.
Speaker 3: I love this, sorry angel' go ahead.
Speaker 2: No go go for a tip?
Speaker 6: You love this?
Speaker 5: What you love?
Speaker 4: I love this because these strippers do not There's no
Speaker 4: four one K that comes with strippers. They don't get benefits.
Speaker 4: These are women who are and I know there are
Speaker 4: male strippers, but predominantly women drive revenue.
Speaker 3: At the strip club.
Speaker 4: They have to tip out to everybody from the bartender
Speaker 4: to the DJ. Their money is taxed uh not only
Speaker 4: by their fellow co workers, but also by the government.
Speaker 4: People think strippers don't pay taxes, Yes they do. Something
Speaker 4: similar happened in Los Angeles. Strippers United organized there and I,
Speaker 4: you know, grew up in Atlanta Andrew in Florida. Like
Speaker 4: the strip club industry is big, it's massive. I've been
Speaker 4: to strip clubs a few times. I don't want to
Speaker 4: speak for anybody else on PA, but I've only been
Speaker 4: to strip clubs a few times. And in talking to
Speaker 4: these women, I did a documentary on strippers. When I
Speaker 4: was at BT, I followed around Buffy the Body. I
Speaker 4: followed around Buffy the Body, but everybody forgure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, body, Buffy and body. Because a lot of.
Speaker 4: Strippers at that time ended up on video sets and
Speaker 4: so I got to spend time with them. And I
Speaker 4: remember sitting one woman down, and you know, we had
Speaker 4: our cameras. I kept trying to make the dancers comfortable
Speaker 4: and one of the women started crying and I told
Speaker 4: them to stop filming. And I asked her, hey, like,
Speaker 4: I'm a friend. We're here just to tell your story,
Speaker 4: and she said, I don't want my grandmother to see this.
Speaker 4: And it just reminds you of the humanity. And in
Speaker 4: talking to strippers, they said, when you think about how
Speaker 4: they're treated because they have no you know, protection once
Speaker 4: they leave these clubs. And they said the people who
Speaker 4: treat them the worst are other women, that other women
Speaker 4: scrunt up their noses, they talk about them, they are
Speaker 4: disrespectful to them, which made my heartbreak. And so anytime
Speaker 4: I've gone to a strip club, I always I tip.
Speaker 4: I'm nice to the women. I you know, these are mothers,
Speaker 4: a lot of them. They're going through a lot, and
Speaker 4: a lot of these state laws make it hard for
Speaker 4: the strippers because they have rules in place for companies
Speaker 4: to treat employees like contractors. They're not full time employees
Speaker 4: where they have benefits. So I am supportive of all strippers.
Speaker 2: You drive the.
Speaker 4: Revenue, You are the stars, and honestly, some of the
Speaker 4: talent that's they're athletes. Like some of the things they
Speaker 4: do with their bodies. It's like a naked cirquday sleet.
Speaker 4: They are impressive. They deserve our respect and they deserve rights,
Speaker 4: just like everybody else who goes to work.
Speaker 3: Every day.
Speaker 5: You're here, you you you hit on a uh tiff.
Speaker 5: It's a big industry in Florida. It's bigger, and I
Speaker 5: can hear the moral voices of folks right now in
Speaker 5: my ear around this is you know, this is not
Speaker 5: christ like others. Listen, if the government allows these to exist,
Speaker 5: and they exist in your cities and te and states
Speaker 5: and that kind of thing. If it is going to
Speaker 5: be an industry, then why are we allowing it to
Speaker 5: continue to be an industry of shame and abuse where
Speaker 5: people can be taking advantage advantage of and treat it
Speaker 5: worse than dogs when we allow it to be a
Speaker 5: sanctioned operating industry. If it's going to be sanctioned and operated,
Speaker 5: then then at least hold these owners to account that
Speaker 5: they've got to treat these folks like people, like humans,
Speaker 5: like employees, like folks who are deserving of integrity in
Speaker 5: the workplace. So you're not going to hear judgment pass
Speaker 5: by me on any of it. I'm in full support
Speaker 5: of if it's going to be an industry, If the
Speaker 5: sex industry is going to be an industry, then don't
Speaker 5: let it be in the shadows of places where the
Speaker 5: CEOs and the lawyers and the doctors and bankers and
Speaker 5: all these folks get to go at the end of
Speaker 5: the night or the beginning of the morning, get you know,
Speaker 5: rocks off, and then it's all you're leaving these folks
Speaker 5: holding the bag literally and also all the consequences and
Speaker 5: dangers that come with it. Protect these folks in the
Speaker 5: workplace period. If it ain't a workplace, then don't let
Speaker 5: it network.
Speaker 2: Thank Andrews.
Speaker 1: Some of the things that the bill includes are limits
Speaker 1: of charges. It limits the charges establishments can impose on dancers,
Speaker 1: mandates club employee training on sexual harassment prevention, human trafficking, identification,
Speaker 1: conflict de escalation in first aid, the exact kind of
Speaker 1: protections you all have been talking about. So with that,
Speaker 1: shout out to Washington State for leading the way. We'll
Speaker 1: see what else goes down in this in this space,
Speaker 1: all right, And now we have a listener question.
Speaker 14: I'm DONALDA. McCarthy. I'm a public school teacher in Florida.
Speaker 14: How can we have better access to the decision makers
Speaker 14: for road repairs and commercial zoning so that those who
Speaker 14: want to be business owners in better locations can know
Speaker 14: to get in at.
Speaker 2: The ground level, literal ground level.
Speaker 14: How can we have better access to decision makers?
Speaker 2: Nice Mayor Gillum, this soundlight one for you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, this is straight up municipal I will first
Speaker 5: of all, thank you for the question, and also thank
Speaker 5: you for the work that you do educating our next generation.
Speaker 5: Big sweet spot for me teachers and educators answer the
Speaker 5: question of getting better access to decision makers when it
Speaker 5: comes to public infrastructure in the future of where businesses
Speaker 5: are located, street scape, slow, and so forth. Almost every
Speaker 5: community I know of it, at least in the state
Speaker 5: of Florida, has public works departments and a public works director.
Speaker 5: These are the folks who largely work in the bellows
Speaker 5: of the government. They're not the folks you see on
Speaker 5: the television or the local access TV at the city
Speaker 5: council and county council meetings. These folks work in the
Speaker 5: government building and so that means any citizen by and
Speaker 5: large is able to go make an appointment, sit down with,
Speaker 5: share your ideas, raise concerns with. You know, we were
Speaker 5: talking on another subject about careerists. These are the careersts.
Speaker 5: These are the people who spend their life's work understanding
Speaker 5: the rules and how to make a city function. And
Speaker 5: I would strongly recommend a lot of people I learned
Speaker 5: when I was in municipal government just you know, they
Speaker 5: had concerns and questions they just didn't know the way.
Speaker 5: They didn't know who to go to. They thought they
Speaker 5: had to meet with the mayor, or the city council
Speaker 5: or the city manager in order to advance that idea.
Speaker 5: And the truth is you can meet with those people.
Speaker 5: It may take you a little longer to get there.
Speaker 5: But with these other career service employees, it's their life
Speaker 5: and they it would be their pleasure. I think I
Speaker 5: could say it with the fullness of my heart, it
Speaker 5: would be their pleasure to sit down with people who
Speaker 5: live in those communities, hear from you about what you
Speaker 5: want to have changed, and then go to work on
Speaker 5: your behalf and be very responsible to you all the
Speaker 5: way through the process. So thanks again for the question.
Speaker 5: And I think there's a really simple answer to it,
Speaker 5: which is to go see some of these folks, your
Speaker 5: public works directors, your facilities management folks, the folks who
Speaker 5: sit in your small business development offices, sit down with
Speaker 5: them and let them hear your concerns. I think you'd
Speaker 5: be surprised how response did they'd be.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Andrew.
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Speaker 2: Thanks Tip Andrew, love.
Speaker 5: It co Scientif. But also I spent the weekend. I
Speaker 5: know everybody in this house is tired of hearing it,
Speaker 5: but probably not listening to Cowboy Carter, and I just
Speaker 5: just got to recommend that y'all take a listen if
Speaker 5: you haven't already, I'm sure most or many of you have.
Speaker 5: But what I love, love love about the artists known
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Speaker 5: that than I love. Really there isn't There is not
Speaker 5: a there's not a song, a spot on there that
Speaker 5: I don't love. But Requiem, which I think is on
Speaker 5: it is the first star on the album. In it
Speaker 5: it raps it is not but it also raps the album.
Speaker 5: And I probably love it the most because it reminds
Speaker 5: me of another favorite song I have the don't laugh
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Speaker 5: actually one of my favorite songs, and it was written
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Speaker 5: maxing water is her resistance to being put in a
Speaker 5: box and defined by a genre. It's just a breakout
Speaker 5: for me, and it's what we do. We just change
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Speaker 3: R part and learn our history in the Southwest.
Speaker 1: Love it and for mine, I am going to be
Speaker 1: on the campuses of some illustrious institutions. We started this
Speaker 1: show talking about, I say so, historically black colleges and universities,
Speaker 1: and that's exactly where we'll end it. Are we taking
Speaker 1: my godsend fa on a college tour. I will be
Speaker 1: at fam you at Morehouse in North Carolina, Central North Carolina,
Speaker 1: A and T and Howard University next week, So pull
Speaker 1: up if y'all can. I would love to see y'all
Speaker 1: and definitely to convince this young man with the three
Speaker 1: point seven cumulative GPA who loves computer science to get
Speaker 1: in there. That's an open opportunity for you all to
Speaker 1: give me him on the spot.
Speaker 2: So there's that, Andrew, You're not biased. There's that.
Speaker 5: Baby. We've got a great computer scientist department.
Speaker 2: By the way, thank you, Andrew. Your time is over.
Speaker 3: This podcast is too.
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