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Speaker 1: T I, I'm Charlie Pellett. That's a Bloomberg Business Flash.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Taking Stock with Kathleen Knaves and Pim

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Speaker 1: Fox on Bloomberg Radio the Johannesburg Stock Exchange. It's the

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Speaker 1: biggest in Africa, the twentieth largest in the world, with

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Speaker 1: over three hundred thirty companies listed on the primary exchange,

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Speaker 1: representing an average market cap of one point four excuse me,

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Speaker 1: one point over four billion US dollars, with some companies

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Speaker 1: And we're very happy to welcome the CEO of Johannesbrook

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Speaker 1: Stock Exchange, the j s C, Nicki Newton King. She

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Speaker 1: is in town this week for the fourth annual South

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Speaker 1: Africa Tomorrow Investor Conference. The j s C is one

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Speaker 1: of the coast sponsors. Nicki Newton King, Welcome to Bloomberg Radio.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me, so tell us a little

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Speaker 1: and your role there. You've been in this industry for

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Speaker 1: many years. I've been in there at the stock exchange

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Speaker 1: itself for twenty years, if you can believe it. The

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Speaker 1: state of the exchange is are essentially a one stop shop.

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Speaker 1: It's completely horizontally and vertically integrated. Means we trade, we list,

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Speaker 1: Really it's the place you come to if you want

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Speaker 1: to buy South Africa. Now, recently you said that we

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Speaker 1: have to internalize the fact that the way we do

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Speaker 1: things in this country, meaning South Africa, needs to change.

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Speaker 1: What did you mean by that and give us a

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Speaker 1: little context for people that have not been following what's

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Speaker 1: going on with the South African economy and the political scene. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: for sure, So we are. We have a very noisy democracy,

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Speaker 1: and we have a very wide Geni coefficient, meaning that

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Speaker 1: of our of our society. And I think business needs

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Speaker 1: to change the way it does business to recognize that

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Speaker 1: just making money, just distributing that to shareholders just simply

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Speaker 1: isn't a good enough way to do business in an

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Speaker 1: emerging market like us. It's about how you reach out

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Speaker 1: more inclusive. As you grow, how do you grow inclusively? Well,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of that. That's a tough question, not

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Speaker 1: it unusual for a woman in South Africa to become

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Speaker 1: senior women in South Africa. We really pride diversity at

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Speaker 1: diversity is a competitive advantage. You need people who think

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Speaker 1: So it's something I've been very proud to lead. It

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Speaker 1: Was it ever thus in South Africa? No, Well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Are there any plans to change policies at the Johannesburg

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Speaker 1: what's really interesting right now in South Africa and what's

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Speaker 1: real big South African entrepreneurs look to use their South

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Speaker 1: with us. The chief executive of the Johannesburg Stock Exchange,

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Speaker 1: Nikki Newton King the johannes Stock Exchange up twenty seven

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Speaker 1: and a half percent so far this year. You're listening

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Speaker 1: Kathleen Hayes, and this is Bloomberg. Yeah,