Speaker 1: Pushkin. This is solvable. I'm Ronald Young Jr. Things like
Speaker 1: solar panels are no longer some kind of fringe technology
Speaker 1: that's like good for hippies and whatever. This is the
Speaker 1: cheapest way to generate power around the world now, so
Speaker 1: we understand the basics of climate change. You burn coal
Speaker 1: and gas and oil. You put carbon into the air.
Speaker 1: The molecular structure of that CEO two traps heat that
Speaker 1: would otherwise radiate back out into space. Things get hotter.
Speaker 1: Lots of tundra up in the far North will melt,
Speaker 1: and when it does, it will release huge amounts of
Speaker 1: carbon and methane into the atmosphere, accelerating this heating cycle.
Speaker 1: And this isn't your fun in the sun. Let's take
Speaker 1: a trip and get out of the cold type of heat.
Speaker 1: This is the kind of murderous heat that humans can
Speaker 1: not survive. And the changing climate has already begun to
Speaker 1: affect our lives now with rampant wildfires in California or
Speaker 1: the severe winter storms that cause the power crisis in Texas.
Speaker 1: These problems are urgent to solve. We're past the point
Speaker 1: where we can make the math work one tesla at
Speaker 1: a time, One vegan dinner at a time. Bill mcibbon
Speaker 1: is the founder of three fifty dot org, and he's
Speaker 1: worked on fighting climate change since the nineteen eighties. And
Speaker 1: since the nineteen eighties, communal concerns have grown louder and louder.
Speaker 1: At first, it was just environmentalists and scientists piling up evidence,
Speaker 1: but now action is critical. We're talking massive, dramatic action
Speaker 1: and global collaboration. There's strong limits to how much change
Speaker 1: we can accomplish through changes in individual behavior or habit.
Speaker 1: Most of the problem is deep in the guts of
Speaker 1: the system. So is climate change really solve given our
Speaker 1: dependence on fossil fuels. I believe that our dependence on
Speaker 1: fossil fuels is solvable, and I believe that we have
Speaker 1: to solve it if we're to have a chance of
Speaker 1: keeping civilizations intact over the course of this century. Bill,
Speaker 1: I'm thirty seven, I'm unmarried with no kids. I'd love
Speaker 1: to get married and have kids within the next three years.
Speaker 1: By the time i'm forty. I want you to imagine
Speaker 1: my child and tell me what the world looks like
Speaker 1: for them when they're thirty. So i'd be seventy and
Speaker 1: they'd be thirty. If we continued on the path that
Speaker 1: we're on. Okay, we've got two ways, one the bad
Speaker 1: way and one the somewhat better way. Okay, I love it.
Speaker 1: So if we continue on the path we're on, if
Speaker 1: we just make a kind of slow transition to renewable energy,
Speaker 1: if we don't have government pushing the pace, if we
Speaker 1: don't treat it like a kind of war effort, then
Speaker 1: the temperature is going to mount very rapidly, and by
Speaker 1: twenty fifty will really be at a point, I think
Speaker 1: where we're dealing with just such an endless onslaught of
Speaker 1: disasters one after another, with just coming ever faster at us,
Speaker 1: that no matter what your child has, what career they've
Speaker 1: trained for, their jobs going to be emergency response because
Speaker 1: that's what human beings are going to be doing. Well,
Speaker 1: there's already parts of the world where we're getting there,
Speaker 1: you know, where the cycle of storms and things has
Speaker 1: gotten so big and things so fragile that it's that
Speaker 1: life is getting very difficult. Just last fall, we had
Speaker 1: the worst hurricane season in history, the most storms. The
Speaker 1: last two storms crashed into Nicaragua, Honduras, Guatemala and did
Speaker 1: unbelievable damage. They think the damage in Honduras was equivalent
Speaker 1: to forty of their GDP. If that happens a few
Speaker 1: years in a row, there's just no recovery, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just too much overwhelms. So that's the bad scenario
Speaker 1: when we don't take this seriously. The good scenario isn't fantastic.
Speaker 1: You know, it still features a world that doesn't work
Speaker 1: as well as the one we have now. But but
Speaker 1: things are starting to stabilize. We've put up so much
Speaker 1: renewable energy and we've shifted everything to electricity. So your
Speaker 1: car runs on electricity. You don't have a gas stove
Speaker 1: in your house. You have an electric induction cooktop, you
Speaker 1: don't have a gas furnace. You've got an air source
Speaker 1: heat pump that's running off electricity. Because electricity we can
Speaker 1: produce cleanly. The job, remember, is to stop burning things,
Speaker 1: stop burning coal and gas and oil. And the only
Speaker 1: thing that burns is the sun ninety million miles away,
Speaker 1: and that sends us solar energy, and it sends us
Speaker 1: the differentials in temperature that create wind and hence wind power.
Speaker 1: But that requires the next decade being an all outsprint.
Speaker 1: This is a timed test you get to put down
Speaker 1: your pencil at a certain point. It picture in your
Speaker 1: mind the most average American working in nine to five,
Speaker 1: maybe an hourly retail job, just somebody just worried about
Speaker 1: their basic needs, food, shelter, taking care of their family,
Speaker 1: and explain to them the climate challenges that we're having
Speaker 1: right now. Well, the climate challenge in its largest sense
Speaker 1: is if we don't get it right, we don't get
Speaker 1: to have civilizations anymore. We're not talking your grandkids, we're
Speaker 1: talking you, if you're a younger person. We're already seeing
Speaker 1: the manifestations of that. If you live on the West
Speaker 1: coast of the the United States, there were weeks last year
Speaker 1: when the governor was telling you to go inside and
Speaker 1: tape your windows shut because the air pollution from the
Speaker 1: wildfires was so bad you couldn't safely breathe it. You know,
Speaker 1: if you live in Texas, two years ago had the
Speaker 1: biggest rainstorm in American history. There were parts of Houston
Speaker 1: that got five feet of rain. Wow, that's just the
Speaker 1: United States. And we're still at the early stages of this.
Speaker 1: So knowing that climate change isn't reversible at this point,
Speaker 1: that we can't solve that, I know that your specialization
Speaker 1: is in reducing CEO two emissions. Would you say that
Speaker 1: is what we should focus all of our attention on
Speaker 1: that one aspect, trying to solve that. So the most
Speaker 1: important job is over the next decade to replace coal
Speaker 1: and gas and oil burning with renewable energy. First thing
Speaker 1: to say is we have to do it fast. This
Speaker 1: isn't like other political problems that we're used to dealing with. So,
Speaker 1: for instance, as long as you and I have been
Speaker 1: alive in this country, we've been arguing as a country
Speaker 1: about medical care. Should we provide it to everybody? That's
Speaker 1: been a contentious political issue. I think that it's a
Speaker 1: great sin that we don't, and lots of people suffer
Speaker 1: and die and go bankrupt. But when the day comes
Speaker 1: that we decide to join all the other industrialized countries
Speaker 1: in the world and making sure that everybody has medical care,
Speaker 1: the fact that we haven't done it for the last
Speaker 1: thirty years won't make it harder to do. Climate change
Speaker 1: isn't like that. It's the first problem humans have ever
Speaker 1: faced that comes with a time limit. If we don't
Speaker 1: solve it soon, we never solve it. Because we go
Speaker 1: past tipping points. The temperature gets very much warmer than say,
Speaker 1: lots of tundra up in the far North will melt,
Speaker 1: and when it does, it will release huge amounts of
Speaker 1: carbon and methane into the atmosphere, accelerating this heating cycle.
Speaker 1: So the world scientists have told us now what the
Speaker 1: deadline is. They have told us that if we want
Speaker 1: to meet the temperature targets we set in Paris at
Speaker 1: the Paris Climate Accords, holding temperature increases to one and
Speaker 1: a half or two degrees, then we have until twenty thirty,
Speaker 1: which is as we speak, eight and a half years away,
Speaker 1: to cut our emissions in half. That's hard news to hear.
Speaker 1: Here's the good news that comes with it. The engineers
Speaker 1: have done a great job over the last ten years.
Speaker 1: They've dropped the price of solar power and wind power
Speaker 1: by ninety percent over that time. It's now across most
Speaker 1: of the world the cheapest way to generate energy. So
Speaker 1: it's no longer technically or economically impossible to imagine change
Speaker 1: at that pace. It would just take a remarkable load
Speaker 1: of work in order to get it done, and some
Speaker 1: of that work is political, because you have to overcome
Speaker 1: the opposition of vested interests, basically the oil industry. So
Speaker 1: we understand that our political system, especially in the United States,
Speaker 1: has been, you know, wildly swinging from left to right,
Speaker 1: not really staying moderate, and definitely not being in locksed
Speaker 1: up when it comes to issues like climate change and
Speaker 1: knowing that we're going to have another election and things
Speaker 1: are going to change at least two more times, possibly
Speaker 1: two more times before twenty thirty. So is your solution
Speaker 1: here saying that we just got to get in the streets,
Speaker 1: we got to just apply pressure all the time, or
Speaker 1: what does it look like to actually have the type
Speaker 1: of political support we need to make the changes that
Speaker 1: we need to make. First of all, this would be
Speaker 1: frank here. If we elect another moron, then we get
Speaker 1: what we deserve at a certain point. That's just what happens.
Speaker 1: But the goal of activists in a question this big
Speaker 1: is to, above all, to change the zeitgeist, to change
Speaker 1: people's sense of what's normal and natural and obvious. Yes,
Speaker 1: we fight pipelines, we fight for divestment, we fight for
Speaker 1: all these things, and they're all important fights, but they
Speaker 1: also all add up to that change in the zeitgeist.
Speaker 1: And when we get that, then everything gets much easier.
Speaker 1: So think about what happened with say, gay marriage. You know,
Speaker 1: ten years ago, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton were against
Speaker 1: gay marriage because it didn't pull well, you know, But
Speaker 1: then organizers did a fantastic job of getting people to
Speaker 1: understand that, yeah, of course you should be allowed to
Speaker 1: if you love somebody, marry them. Why wouldn't you, you know,
Speaker 1: And they've changed the zeitgeist such that now, you know,
Speaker 1: not even right wing Republicans really bother to fight it anymore,
Speaker 1: because it's clearly that's what we're going to do now.
Speaker 1: Climate change is no different, except that it's a little
Speaker 1: harder because there were not huge companies making trillions of
Speaker 1: dollars a year being bigots. There are companies making trillions
Speaker 1: of dollars a year pedaling hydrocarbons. That change in the
Speaker 1: zeitgeist is clearly coming. Even in America, the kind of
Speaker 1: capital of climate denial. You saw it in the last election.
Speaker 1: During the Democratic primaries, the number one issue or number
Speaker 1: two issue depending on the poll for voters was climate change,
Speaker 1: which is why Joe Biden was staking his ground on
Speaker 1: climate change. He said, we have to transition off the
Speaker 1: oil industry, and everybody said, oh, that's a gaff all.
Speaker 1: The pundity are like, that's going to cost you, but
Speaker 1: it didn't. He won the oil states that were in play, Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: New Mexico, and emerged with this mandate to do something.
Speaker 1: And so you're in the course of you know, Earth Day.
Speaker 1: This year, we watched him assemble the world's leaders, you know,
Speaker 1: forty of the world's chief leaders in a virtual summit.
Speaker 1: We watched him pledge to cut America's emissions dramatically by
Speaker 1: twenty thirty. We've seen him pledge to spend two trillion
Speaker 1: dollars on this green infrastructure plan. Those are all signs
Speaker 1: of what happens once you shift the zeitgeist. It only
Speaker 1: works when people have done the work to make that
Speaker 1: constituency exist. I think when you were talking about, for instance,
Speaker 1: when you talk about gay marriage and you talk about
Speaker 1: LGBT rights, there was really an effort of people to
Speaker 1: put a face behind all of the people that wanted
Speaker 1: those rights. And instead of making it about you know,
Speaker 1: this amorphous LGBT person that's kind of like just out
Speaker 1: of your line of sight, they made it about your cousin,
Speaker 1: you know, your friend, you're somebody in your community. How
Speaker 1: do we make it so that, like the freeze in
Speaker 1: Texas is the face of climate Like, are we doing
Speaker 1: enough to actually push that so that it is changing
Speaker 1: the zeitgeist. Yeah, we're getting closer all the time to
Speaker 1: people understanding how this affects them. And part of that
Speaker 1: is that the environmental movement, the climate movement, is really
Speaker 1: morphed into the climate justice movement, and people are understanding,
Speaker 1: especially young people who have a stronger sense of justice,
Speaker 1: are understanding how interrelated all this is. Think about twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: You know, the most important thing anybody said in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty was what George Floyd said is he was being murdered,
Speaker 1: he said, I can't breathe because breathing is the I mean,
Speaker 1: that's how we define whether you're alive or not. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: people can't breathe because there's a racist cop kneeling on
Speaker 1: their neck. But as activists were quickly pointing out, they
Speaker 1: can't breathe too because there's a coal fired power plant
Speaker 1: down the street and it's always the same street. You know.
Speaker 1: Asthma rates are three times as high for African Americans
Speaker 1: as they are for white Americans, not because there's some
Speaker 1: difference in physiology just because of a difference in geography.
Speaker 1: You know, people who people can't breathe because we watch
Speaker 1: the temperature last year in California hit one hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty degrees fahrenheit. That's at the edge of what the
Speaker 1: human body can tolerate even for a few hours. But
Speaker 1: the computer modeling makes it very clear that if we
Speaker 1: don't get this under control, that's what the world is
Speaker 1: going to be like for huge swaths of the Earth's surface,
Speaker 1: all the tropics by the middle of the century, for
Speaker 1: weeks on end. One of the problems with climate change,
Speaker 1: of course, is that the worst damages are always in
Speaker 1: the future, and so it requires a certain amount of
Speaker 1: imagination in order to deal with them. Now, the actual
Speaker 1: consequences are real enough that it gets easier and easier
Speaker 1: for people, i think, to make that leap in their minds.
Speaker 1: You know, with all the politics that are involved in
Speaker 1: well in everyday life and even in life and death situations,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of cynicism when it comes to what
Speaker 1: the US political system is able to do, like the
Speaker 1: legislative body is as in a lot of ways, been
Speaker 1: rendered moot when it comes to actually passing viable laws
Speaker 1: that could help eating in things like climate change. So
Speaker 1: it seems like a lot of this is going to
Speaker 1: be done through a lot of ways through executive action.
Speaker 1: So is this about making the vote for president account
Speaker 1: even more? Yeah, So let's hope that the president can
Speaker 1: figure out how to get important stuff through Congress, because
Speaker 1: you need Congress to spend money, and we're going to
Speaker 1: have to spend some money. But there's a lot of
Speaker 1: other things that are really important that are happening right now,
Speaker 1: and maybe the most important is what's happening behind the
Speaker 1: scenes at the Federal Reserve, the Treasury Department, and the
Speaker 1: Securities and Exchange Commission. With any luck, by the time
Speaker 1: the Biden administration is a couple of years old, every
Speaker 1: company in America will have to be legally assessing every
Speaker 1: year it's climate risk. You know how this world works,
Speaker 1: Those things that you measure are the things that you
Speaker 1: start to work on. And so if we get that going,
Speaker 1: it'll be a huge change. The Federal Reserve and others
Speaker 1: are working to try and rein in this absurd policy
Speaker 1: of the banks handing over big sums of money to
Speaker 1: the most dangerous industry on Earth. You know, so these
Speaker 1: things are happening kind of behind the scenes in Washington
Speaker 1: and in Wall Street, but they're extraordinarily important and they're
Speaker 1: one of the things that movements are pushing very hard
Speaker 1: to accomplish. Let's talk about divestment. What does that look like.
Speaker 1: So this divestment campaign was completely modeled on the one
Speaker 1: that activists built a generation ago to take on apartheid
Speaker 1: in South Africa. And one of the first people we
Speaker 1: reached out to when we thought about doing it with
Speaker 1: fossil fuel was Desmond Tutu, the Anglican Archbishop of South Africa,
Speaker 1: who'd been at the kind of head of that work,
Speaker 1: and he said, please do it again, because climate change
Speaker 1: is the human rights challenge of this moment. People started
Speaker 1: asking colleges and universities, pension funds, on and on to
Speaker 1: sell their stock in these fossil fuel companies, and by god,
Speaker 1: a lot of them did. The most famous colleges on Earth, Oxford, Cambridge,
Speaker 1: the University of California, the University of Michigan, the country
Speaker 1: of Ireland, all its public accounts were divested from fossil fuel.
Speaker 1: It's added up now to the point where it's putting
Speaker 1: huge pressure on this industry. The Norwegian Sovereign Well Fund,
Speaker 1: which is the single biggest pool of money on Earth
Speaker 1: trillion dollars, most of it made from oil in the
Speaker 1: North Sea. Over the last few decades, they said, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're getting out of this. We're leaving this casino and
Speaker 1: going somewhere else. Shell Oil set in its annual report
Speaker 1: two years ago that divestment had become a material risk
Speaker 1: to its business. If your exon at this point, your
Speaker 1: only hope is to just keep your business model going
Speaker 1: for a couple more decades and you get twenty more
Speaker 1: years of profit out of it. But if they do,
Speaker 1: if they're able to do that, then they're going to
Speaker 1: break the planet in the process. So that's what the
Speaker 1: race is about. Can we shut these guys down before
Speaker 1: they shut everything down? So do you think that the
Speaker 1: US is leading the charge or do you think there's
Speaker 1: models from other nations that we could be learning from.
Speaker 1: There are other nations that have provided real leadership. And
Speaker 1: it's funny because they don't all come in places where
Speaker 1: have a lot of sun and wind, but they're come
Speaker 1: in places that have a lot of political will. Germany
Speaker 1: is the place that provided the original early demand for
Speaker 1: solar panels. They put together this big program called in
Speaker 1: German the Energy Venda, that provided big subsidies for people
Speaker 1: who would put solar panels on their roofs. If you
Speaker 1: take a train through Germany and you look out the window,
Speaker 1: you see solar panels everywhere. And that demand from Germany
Speaker 1: was what allowed the Chinese manufacturers to get really good
Speaker 1: at making this stuff cheap. So the Chinese have played
Speaker 1: a huge role in the Chinese or rolling out renewable
Speaker 1: energy faster than any place on the planet. So there
Speaker 1: are countries around the world that in one way or another,
Speaker 1: have started showing the way forward, and now we need
Speaker 1: everybody catching up very fast. That's one of the problems
Speaker 1: with global warming. I mean they don't call it well
Speaker 1: for nothing, you literally can't. I mean, you know, one
Speaker 1: country could do absolutely everything right, and if everybody else
Speaker 1: wasn't cooperating, it wouldn't help a bit. Let's think about
Speaker 1: the pandemic when it first arrived. You know, there was
Speaker 1: a lot of things people were talking about that had
Speaker 1: changed in the world. Some people said that the oceans
Speaker 1: were bluer, and you know, of course there was less traffic.
Speaker 1: All of those like little little things. One thing they
Speaker 1: talked about was the drop in emissions. We weren't moving,
Speaker 1: there were no cars and planes going to many places,
Speaker 1: and we weren't pumping a lot of pollution into the air.
Speaker 1: But in May of twenty twenty, the concentration of carbon
Speaker 1: dioxide in our atmosphere was at the highest had been
Speaker 1: in human history. Was that emission statistic just a positive
Speaker 1: spin on an awful situation, or was it significant in
Speaker 1: some big picture way to the climate challenges that we're
Speaker 1: facing now. The pandemic was extraordinarily interesting, learning opportunity and
Speaker 1: lots of ways. One of the things that people noticed was, well,
Speaker 1: everybody's changed their lifestyle. You far more than any environmentalist
Speaker 1: ever would have dreamed of calling for. And it's true
Speaker 1: that emissions went down some, but as it turns out,
Speaker 1: not as much as you would have expected. At the peak.
Speaker 1: We think that carbon dioxide emissions fell ten or twelve
Speaker 1: percent worldwide. So what that means is that there's a
Speaker 1: strong limits to how much change we can accomplish through
Speaker 1: changes in individual behavior or habit. Most of the problem
Speaker 1: is deep in the guts of the system, and so
Speaker 1: one has to go into the guts of the system
Speaker 1: and pull out the coal and oil and gas and
Speaker 1: put in the sun and wind and efficiency and conservation,
Speaker 1: and that's at hard a political and economic task. So really,
Speaker 1: I think the pandemic demonstrate to some of the limits
Speaker 1: of individual behavior. Human solidarity really matters. It's not some
Speaker 1: ephemeral thing. It's core to the solutions here. I've lived
Speaker 1: most of my life in the political shadow of Ronald Reagan,
Speaker 1: who really changed the way we think about the world.
Speaker 1: Told us that markets were going to solve all problems,
Speaker 1: that we should just concentrate on getting rich. His famous
Speaker 1: laugh line and all his speeches was the nine scariest
Speaker 1: words in the English language are I'm from the government
Speaker 1: and I'm here to help. Ha ha ha. It turns
Speaker 1: out the scariest words in the English language are either
Speaker 1: we've run out of ventilators or the hillside behind your
Speaker 1: house just caught on fire. Preach it now, and neither
Speaker 1: one of those you're going to solve by you know,
Speaker 1: every somebody getting rich. Those you solve when you work
Speaker 1: together to deal with problems. And hopefully the pandemic has
Speaker 1: at least begun to remind us that we're going to
Speaker 1: have to work together, because that's the prerequisite for doing
Speaker 1: what we have to do to deal with a crisis
Speaker 1: that's far worse than the pandemic would ever have been.
Speaker 1: Hearing you say that is a little tricky for me
Speaker 1: because on the one hand, I'm recognizing what you're saying
Speaker 1: about individual action only doing so much. But with that
Speaker 1: being said, how do we prevent individuals from feeling helpless?
Speaker 1: Because when you say that to be as an individual,
Speaker 1: the first thing I think is like, well, don't need
Speaker 1: to recycle these bottles anymore, just throw them in the air,
Speaker 1: like so, so, how do you keep me engaged as
Speaker 1: an individual in the fight? The hardest part of the
Speaker 1: climate fight has always been that sense of agency, because
Speaker 1: it's so big and we seem so small in comparison
Speaker 1: to it, that it's hard for us to imagine that
Speaker 1: anything we do as individuals is going to make much difference.
Speaker 1: And truthfully, there's a point there. I mean, the roof
Speaker 1: of my house is covered with solar panels. They're connected
Speaker 1: to an electric car. I'm very proud of that in
Speaker 1: some way, but I don't try to fool myself that
Speaker 1: it's how we're going to really deal with this. We're
Speaker 1: past the point where we can make the math work,
Speaker 1: one tesla at a time, one vegan dinner at a time.
Speaker 1: Those things are important, but they're not if we have
Speaker 1: ten years now eight and a half years to make
Speaker 1: wholesale change. We know that it's going to have to
Speaker 1: come by making big political shifts. So the really sad
Speaker 1: thing is when I wrote The End of Nature in
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine, we knew most of what we know
Speaker 1: now about climate change. It's not like anything really has
Speaker 1: shifted all that much. You burn coal and gas and oil,
Speaker 1: you put carbon into the air. The molecular structure of
Speaker 1: that co two traps heat that would otherwise radiate back
Speaker 1: out to space. And really the subsequent three decades have
Speaker 1: followed the path that scientists said they would, And it
Speaker 1: should come as no surprise to anyone that we've lost
Speaker 1: half the sea ice in the Arctic, or that we're
Speaker 1: seeing huge increases in storms and fires and things. The
Speaker 1: one thing that has changed over time is my kind
Speaker 1: of political understanding of the problem. And it took me
Speaker 1: too long to figure out that we weren't. We'd won
Speaker 1: the argument, I mean, the science was completely clear and robust.
Speaker 1: We were just losing the fight because the fight wasn't
Speaker 1: about data and reason and evidence. The fight was what
Speaker 1: fights are always about, money and power. And the fossil
Speaker 1: fuel industry had so much money, it was the biggest
Speaker 1: industry on earth, that it had enough political power to
Speaker 1: keep us from doing what we needed to do. And
Speaker 1: so that's when I became more of an activist and
Speaker 1: started trying to build movements so that we could have
Speaker 1: some power too. So there's people that are listening to
Speaker 1: this that are probably you know Chom. We got the
Speaker 1: bit to saying like, well, what can I do? Can
Speaker 1: you give us some viable actions that listeners can do, Like,
Speaker 1: right now, what can we be doing? You know? The
Speaker 1: first thing you should do is organize, get everybody together.
Speaker 1: Second thing you should do is get together with your
Speaker 1: friends and neighbors and organize. You know. The third thing
Speaker 1: you should do is make sure that your community as
Speaker 1: well organized to try and take on this. That's what
Speaker 1: we have to do. If you've got some time left
Speaker 1: over after that, then yeah, eating lower on the food chain,
Speaker 1: or putting in the right light bulb, or next time
Speaker 1: you buy a car making sure that it's electric or thing.
Speaker 1: Those are easy. The hard thing for Americans because we're
Speaker 1: so individuals. The hard thing is joining together in movements
Speaker 1: to make change happen. But that's what's required, and the
Speaker 1: good news is that's now not that hard to do
Speaker 1: because there are movements everywhere. There's three fifty dot org,
Speaker 1: which I helped start it as chapters everywhere. There's the
Speaker 1: Sunrise Movement for people under thirty. They're the ones who
Speaker 1: brought you the Green New Deal. There's for kids, younger kids.
Speaker 1: There's this Climate strike Fridays for the Future Movement. There's
Speaker 1: Extinction Rebellion. There are the big environmental groups that are
Speaker 1: all doing good work. All these things are adding up,
Speaker 1: and you can find one to plug in and make
Speaker 1: yourself count. But I guess the way to say it
Speaker 1: is individually, we're not going to get where we need
Speaker 1: to go. So your job is to figure out how
Speaker 1: to get some leverage here, how to make your actions
Speaker 1: count for five, ten, twenty times more than they would
Speaker 1: if you were just acting alone. Bill McKibbin is an author, educator, environmentalist,
Speaker 1: and the founder of three fifty dot org. To learn
Speaker 1: more about three fifty and the other organizations that he mentioned,
Speaker 1: check out the links in our show notes next week
Speaker 1: on Solvable of talking with the musician and software developer
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