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Speaker 1: of this podcast is joy. I talked to interest in
Speaker 1: people about what brings them happiness. When I was doing
Speaker 1: the late night show, I talked to a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Some of them became my friends. That's the category we're
Speaker 1: in today. Aeriel Tweto first came to my attention when
Speaker 1: she was on a TV show called Flying Wild Alaska.
Speaker 1: But the minute I met her, I knew we'd be friends.
Speaker 1: And then but she became friends with my wife and
Speaker 1: I knew it was compulsory.
Speaker 2: Here's my friend a reel tweet.
Speaker 3: Oh again, is that what we're doing today?
Speaker 2: Well, Megan always gets her nails done.
Speaker 3: Let's do it.
Speaker 2: She's a nails done in parison.
Speaker 1: All right, so let's but here's the thing, because we
Speaker 1: were talking about wearing our headphones. Yeah, because it makes
Speaker 1: you feel like a pilot. It does, doesn't That does
Speaker 1: like we're flying planes together.
Speaker 3: Oh, where should we.
Speaker 2: Go your flight controls?
Speaker 3: Like, no, let's do your flight controls.
Speaker 2: You've got two big things on your fingers. What's going on?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: I was in Nicaragua surfing and then I one night,
Speaker 4: I mean, my buddies are out night surfing, and I
Speaker 4: was walking back in and I slipped on a rock.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: So I slipped on the rock and I slashed my
Speaker 4: leg open. So I was more worried about my leg.
Speaker 4: And then I was like, something's wrong with my fingers.
Speaker 4: And I put my hand up to the like the moonlight.
Speaker 4: All of them looked like they were all bent, like
Speaker 4: like upside down el's. And so I remember my dad
Speaker 4: like he fell down the steps one time, and I
Speaker 4: remember seeing him pull his fingers. So I was like
Speaker 4: I guess I'm going to have to pull my fingers.
Speaker 2: So I pulled your fingers.
Speaker 3: I pulled all of them.
Speaker 2: But wouldn't you pass gas? Like, I don't know when
Speaker 2: someone else pulls you.
Speaker 3: I think it's when someone else.
Speaker 1: If you pull, it's like tackle it yourself. You can't
Speaker 1: pull your own finger.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 3: It was disgusting, though.
Speaker 4: It was worth seeing your hand mangled than I think
Speaker 4: the actual pain. But now I have two broken fingers
Speaker 4: and the other two I set right now.
Speaker 1: But now my fathers I set them and then totally
Speaker 1: badass area. It's so mental because what we just kind
Speaker 1: of glossed over is that you were night surfing in Nicaragua, Yeah,
Speaker 1: which I feel like makes me feel like you were
Speaker 1: on a special ops thing for the CIA.
Speaker 2: And that's the truth of it.
Speaker 1: Why what were you night? Why night surfering in why Neckaraga?
Speaker 1: What were you doing there?
Speaker 2: I know people there?
Speaker 4: No, I didn't, but now I do. I feel like
Speaker 4: I know half the country. Yeah, it was amazing. I
Speaker 4: just needed to get out of Alaska, and so I
Speaker 4: was like I usually go to Costa Rica to surf,
Speaker 4: and so this time I was like, I'm going to
Speaker 4: try Nicaragua, and I ended up going to Popoio.
Speaker 3: It was amazing, it was I was there.
Speaker 4: I was supposed to be there for a week and
Speaker 4: I ended up staying for like three Yeah, and then yeah,
Speaker 4: it was the last day I was there. And so
Speaker 4: I met a guy who had a ruler.
Speaker 2: Did you meet a guy? I?
Speaker 3: Actually yeah, but no.
Speaker 4: So a guy had a ruler and we cut the
Speaker 4: ruler in half and he set my fingers with the
Speaker 4: ruler until I came back to America and got a
Speaker 4: proper splint.
Speaker 3: But now they smelled fish.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's you know, it's the sea and you
Speaker 1: were swimming. Why did they smell like fish?
Speaker 4: Because last night I ate a can of sardines in
Speaker 4: my like the oil trip.
Speaker 2: Now are you?
Speaker 1: Are you living the Inuit lifestyle in American hotels? So like,
Speaker 1: for those of you who are not familiar with your story,
Speaker 1: I'm just going to take you back a little bit.
Speaker 1: I know you well, and you know we've been friends
Speaker 1: since I met you and late night ten years ten
Speaker 1: years or eleven, I think it's more. Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Didn't have gray here back then.
Speaker 1: You didn't either, Yeah, I assure dead, and you don't
Speaker 1: have any.
Speaker 3: Now I have a lot, but I don't mind it.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's gray is okay, but it's againting really white now
Speaker 1: not yours?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like it. Silverfox.
Speaker 1: No, it's not silver Fox anymore. It's Santa. It's the
Speaker 1: battle when you get because I'm nearly sixty two, Jesus.
Speaker 1: The battle now is to not turn in a Santa.
Speaker 1: That's that's my last mission.
Speaker 3: Well you look good.
Speaker 2: Well that's in a Santa way.
Speaker 3: No, a nice way.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you. Now let's let's start. Because you're for
Speaker 1: I first became aware of you. I first heard about
Speaker 1: you and you but because of Flying mild Alaska, the
Speaker 1: show that you did for Discovery, right, which is about
Speaker 1: you and your family's airline, because your dad around the airline.
Speaker 2: Era.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Era.
Speaker 4: Well it started out Hagland's and so was my dad
Speaker 4: and his buddy Mike Haglin, and they started it and
Speaker 4: then it merged to Era and it became.
Speaker 3: Raven, right, is that what it's called now, Raven without
Speaker 3: an E.
Speaker 4: My dad's too cheap to like spend extra money on
Speaker 4: the extra letters.
Speaker 2: This rave.
Speaker 3: My mom's obsessed with ravens, and so my dad named
Speaker 3: it for her.
Speaker 1: I got a raven. I saw that, a big raven
Speaker 1: right there in my own but not a real one.
Speaker 1: It's a tattoo obviously. Yeah, that's not a real raven.
Speaker 3: Not a real raven.
Speaker 2: Being practical to walk around with a raven all the time.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Do you want to get some ink?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yes, I was just going to say, A great a
Speaker 1: great woman in Queen's Brooklyn. She's a green Point. She's amazing.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I'm definitely going to do it. Would you
Speaker 3: get one too? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I need to get more, right, there's always for more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe we'll go over this afternoon. We'll give a call.
Speaker 1: So listen, you're do you do this show? Flying well Alaska?
Speaker 1: But let's talk a little bit about your family, because
Speaker 1: your dad starts up this airline, right, he's a bush pilot.
Speaker 3: So yeah, he flew.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure exactly how he flew from my grandpa's company,
Speaker 4: and my grandpa started Ryanair and so my.
Speaker 2: Dad, I know the airline.
Speaker 3: No, it's a little smaller one in Alaska. It's actually
Speaker 3: a big one.
Speaker 4: But then my dad got fired and then by like
Speaker 4: my uncle or something, someone fired him and because he
Speaker 4: had too many ideas and whatever.
Speaker 3: But then a lot of ideas.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then so he got a plane and then
Speaker 4: started his competition airline and then then it just like
Speaker 4: grew and grew and he had like just from like
Speaker 4: all like growing up.
Speaker 1: So you were in these these like bush planes since
Speaker 1: you were a babysically.
Speaker 3: It was zero.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we flew everywhere and then the only way in
Speaker 4: and out of our village is by airplane. So my
Speaker 4: parents like they were like, if you want to go
Speaker 4: see the world or if you want to get out
Speaker 4: of this village, which I did.
Speaker 3: I love it, but I like.
Speaker 2: Can't I hear you?
Speaker 1: I've never been uncle, right, yeah, right, So Uniclee is
Speaker 1: a village in Alaska of about how many.
Speaker 3: People, like six hundred and fifty.
Speaker 2: That's not really a village. It's a small town.
Speaker 3: It's a small town.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're the biggest like hub in our area, so
Speaker 4: where most of the villages around us have like one
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty two hundred and fifty people.
Speaker 2: And your dad wasn't Alaska native though, right.
Speaker 3: Nope, He's Norwegian, so he grew up in Minnesota.
Speaker 2: Auto the relations grew up in Minnesota.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there they are all over, but then a lot
Speaker 3: of Minnesotans end up in Alaska, which is awnest.
Speaker 1: Because it's because of the Norway thing. They keep looking
Speaker 1: for places that are really cold and then hospitable, which.
Speaker 3: I don't get. I was born in the wrong place.
Speaker 4: I was supposed to be born in, like Africa or
Speaker 4: somewhere in Central America.
Speaker 1: I like the sun. I don't you know. I've been
Speaker 1: back in Scotland too much.
Speaker 2: Now I'm not going to do it anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's too I gotta go sunny time anyway. So
Speaker 1: your dad, he meets your moment in Alaska.
Speaker 4: So he got a hockey scholarship and moved up when
Speaker 4: he was sixteen sixteen seventeen, and then played hockey and
Speaker 4: was really really good. He bomb was a goalie wow,
Speaker 4: and he was like he was amazing apparently, and then
Speaker 4: he became a welder after that he had really crappy hips,
Speaker 4: and so he stopped playing hockey, became a welder and
Speaker 4: started building all the boats in like northwest Alaska, like
Speaker 4: all the crazy crab and fishing boats. Yeah, and so yeah,
Speaker 4: he was obsessed with welding, like he loved welding.
Speaker 1: And then get obsessed with welding. It's the weirdest thing.
Speaker 1: I know a couple of people who are really into it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you should see his boats that he built. Like
Speaker 4: half the villages, seems like everyone had his boats. And
Speaker 4: then yeah, and then he just then he yeah, became
Speaker 4: a I don't think he ever got his pilot's license.
Speaker 3: He just started flying.
Speaker 2: Stop it. Your dad didn't have a pilot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think he actually got his like private
Speaker 3: pilot's license.
Speaker 2: Then that's that's an interesting story right now.
Speaker 3: And then he met my mom and then.
Speaker 2: Right, so your your mom is Nate for Alaska.
Speaker 4: My mom's wild. I can't wait for you to meet her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she seems very she seemed lovely on that show.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she's feisty. She carries a bull whip.
Speaker 4: She's like like becauses like a fisherman sailor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she carries a bullwhip. That's scary, it is. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I want to meet her now, I
Speaker 1: would just do it like FaceTime. So last year, because
Speaker 1: I haven't seen you since your dad'zact. Right, that was
Speaker 1: really intense. Well, all this was really intense because your dad.
Speaker 1: We lost your dad during that right, yeah, in June,
Speaker 1: June of last year.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, so it's going to be a year soon.
Speaker 3: But it doesn't feel I yeah, it doesn't feel real still,
Speaker 3: and I think that's why I just don't want to
Speaker 3: be at home. It's hard.
Speaker 4: Like I still like I dream about him, which is good,
Speaker 4: and like I write him letters all the time, and
Speaker 4: so I'll just be like, hey, I haven't felt you
Speaker 4: in a while or something, and then he'll show up
Speaker 4: in a dream, my last dream yet.
Speaker 1: I have that with my parents even Yeah, yeah, that
Speaker 1: that that goes on forever. That's that's okay. You know,
Speaker 1: you don't worry about that. He's not going anywhere in
Speaker 1: that sense, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I like there was a couple of times, like surfing,
Speaker 4: he used to call me do det and my first
Speaker 4: time ever catching his green wave, like going all the
Speaker 4: way down this wave, I jumped off of it, and
Speaker 4: then I like, I sound weird, but.
Speaker 2: But there's nothing wrong being weird.
Speaker 1: People are gould have stopped with the weird is somehow negative.
Speaker 4: Yeah it's awesome, Yeah, but okay, well I don't sound
Speaker 4: word but I heard him, like I heard him say
Speaker 4: like good job do that, and then I felt him.
Speaker 4: I felt him everywhere and that's when I knew. I
Speaker 4: was like, oh man, he's still like here. And then
Speaker 4: then I started. I couldn't stop crying, but they were
Speaker 4: like happy tears, and I hadn't like I've just been sad.
Speaker 1: So I know, but I mean, that is so that's
Speaker 1: what the world it is about right now?
Speaker 4: Then what's happening with you? Like like running away from Okay.
Speaker 2: I mean you got to deal with it. You deal
Speaker 2: with it, you know. I mean it's like, how's your mom, Doe?
Speaker 4: She's I mean they were together pretty much every day
Speaker 4: for thirty six years, right, and they were best friends,
Speaker 4: so she's it's she she's so strong. He's like having
Speaker 4: to deal with me and my sisters because I mean
Speaker 4: he was my best friend, yeah, and then my little
Speaker 4: like everyone was so we were so close, and I
Speaker 4: thought I was like, I didn't think it was I
Speaker 4: thought he was invincible, Like I like, there's no way
Speaker 4: that could have happened. And yes, I guess it's never
Speaker 4: been very.
Speaker 2: Shocked when when I heard, right, because I like, I texted.
Speaker 3: You right away, yeah, to thank you for this.
Speaker 1: It's the weirdest thing though, because you know, when you
Speaker 1: don't know where to call someone, or like when when
Speaker 1: you experience grief like I've had it, you know you
Speaker 1: clearly have had it very recently. People kind of nobody
Speaker 1: knows how to deal with you sort of thing. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like it's kind of like you got something
Speaker 1: on yet yeah, it's.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, no one knows what to say.
Speaker 4: It's super awkward, like like I yeah, I don't and
Speaker 4: I don't know how to like respond like my like
Speaker 4: people are like how are you doing? And like my
Speaker 4: little sister is very like blunt, and she's just like,
Speaker 4: how do you think I'm doing? And I'm like, yeah, good,
Speaker 4: But now I'm realizing, like I'm like I'm taking it
Speaker 4: every like day, like today, I'm good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a couple of days ago, not so much.
Speaker 1: I think I think that, But I think that's okay.
Speaker 1: I mean the thing that you know, it's how it
Speaker 1: looks on you. I mean I think that whenever anyone
Speaker 1: has an agenda for how you should feel about any
Speaker 1: particular thing, I think that's more about them than it
Speaker 1: is about you. You feel how you feel. You know,
Speaker 1: it's and when people say like get over things, like
Speaker 1: you don't get for shit like that. That's crazy.
Speaker 2: You learn to live with it, you don't get over Yeah.
Speaker 4: Now you know what this made me realize how how
Speaker 4: I thought I was a compassionate, like empathetic person before
Speaker 4: all this.
Speaker 3: Now it made me realize, like what a ding dong?
Speaker 4: Like just when my friends like we're going through loss
Speaker 4: or something, I'm like, let's just go hiking.
Speaker 3: Come on, like get over it pretty much.
Speaker 4: And now I'm like, if someone said that to me,
Speaker 4: I would like punch me in the face, right because
Speaker 4: I'm just.
Speaker 2: Like, oh, not in the gates. Well I was going
Speaker 2: to say to.
Speaker 3: You, no, I love hiking and stuff.
Speaker 1: But yeah, well, I think sometimes it is with people
Speaker 1: when you're talking about grief. People are so uncomfortable with
Speaker 1: the idea of it and they hate it so much
Speaker 1: that they want you to not have it too in case.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, It's like it it's it's
Speaker 1: really it's it's I think I know I get a
Speaker 1: little O.
Speaker 2: C D around it as well.
Speaker 1: Like if I feel grief, I'm going to feel more
Speaker 1: grief about you know what I mean. It's like weird,
Speaker 1: but I remember when my dad died that.
Speaker 3: How old were you?
Speaker 1: I was I was in my forties, you know, I
Speaker 1: was like, I just started late night and he died.
Speaker 1: But he he was seventy five and he was not
Speaker 1: old really if you think about it. But he died
Speaker 1: of cancer, so we can't you it was common. But
Speaker 1: when he died, he you know, and the grief is
Speaker 1: such a weird thing. I think it's kind of it's
Speaker 1: about like your fingers. You know, you get mashed up
Speaker 1: and it's like, what the fuck am I going to
Speaker 1: do with this? And then little by little it starts
Speaker 1: to kind of go, but you're never you know, you're
Speaker 1: always going to have the scars.
Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of like fat fingers.
Speaker 2: Well, I was going to say, on your finger.
Speaker 1: Now, I wish I could do that, Like I only
Speaker 1: put on like on one finger or something.
Speaker 2: No, I go Like when I was about four years old,
Speaker 2: I had a more cycle act.
Speaker 1: And I broke my collar bone and three ReBs and
Speaker 1: I can still feel it right now.
Speaker 2: I still feel it right now talking to you. I
Speaker 2: can still feel it all the time.
Speaker 1: But at the time I got it, it was agony,
Speaker 1: and it was agony and agony and agony, and then
Speaker 1: it's no agony all the time. Sometimes I think about
Speaker 1: it makes me twinge. I think grief is a little
Speaker 1: like that, like when it arrives, it arrives.
Speaker 2: Like, oh my god, it's a tsunami.
Speaker 4: It's awful, and it's just so random sometimes you really,
Speaker 4: yeah you could just I was in ARII looking at
Speaker 4: gloves and I saw like a pair of gloves that
Speaker 4: you used to wear, and then I just lost it
Speaker 4: in the middle of So it's like in the middle
Speaker 4: of the store. And then there's just certain things that
Speaker 4: just set you off. And then like for me, the
Speaker 4: hardest part is like envisioning like the last seconds and stuff,
Speaker 4: and so I have to like cut myself off or
Speaker 4: like get super busy with something. Otherwise I just like
Speaker 4: picture it like how it happened. And then I'm like,
Speaker 4: then that make sets me off, And.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I can see how you would do that
Speaker 1: to yourself. But the thing I remember, I mean you
Speaker 1: said earlier, it's so fast, you know, ways.
Speaker 2: Was your dad.
Speaker 1: He was sixty eight, sixty eight, you know, he lived
Speaker 1: for sixty eight years and two seconds of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not much, you know, And I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: make you feel better about it, but you know, but
Speaker 1: I think if I was in your shoes, then I
Speaker 1: think with my dad, my own dad as well, is
Speaker 1: try to get a sense of perspective about it, you
Speaker 1: know whatnot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was his biggest fear too, is getting old
Speaker 4: like he was. He started memorizing stars, like he memorized
Speaker 4: over three hundred and sixty some stars because he was
Speaker 4: afraid of losing his memory.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Agaimers. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So he would have me and my sisters, he had
Speaker 4: like flash cards and we would just lay in the
Speaker 4: snow and he would like we would have to quiz him,
Speaker 4: and he yeah, he just doesn't didn't want to get old.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so in that I.
Speaker 2: Understand that too. Like I'm sixty one, I'll be sixty
Speaker 2: two years old in a few weeks. It's terrifying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really didn't you think it's not gonna happen
Speaker 1: to me, But you know, it kind of.
Speaker 4: Does start my rising stars or maybe not that that works.
Speaker 1: I don't think it was, but I now, of course
Speaker 1: I'll be like, oh yeah. The Crake Ferguson Fancy Rascals
Speaker 1: Stand Up Tour continues throughout the United States in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four. For a full list of dates and tickets
Speaker 1: go to the Crake Ferguson show dot com slash tour.
Speaker 2: So you have that. So you still eat the seal
Speaker 2: flipper and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, still trying to take how did.
Speaker 1: You get a seal flipper in? Now, let's talk through
Speaker 1: the seal flipper because we were talking about that. I
Speaker 1: don't have the enzymes to eat that, right, you have
Speaker 1: to be Inuit or something.
Speaker 4: I mean you have to have some like thick skin
Speaker 4: in your stomach or something, or you'll be used to
Speaker 4: it because I mean it's a flipper of a seal,
Speaker 4: and you might cover it in grass, like wrap it
Speaker 4: and grass and them buried in a hole for a
Speaker 4: couple of months until it for men.
Speaker 1: See, that's not cooking, that's that's that's burying the.
Speaker 2: Ranging it back up. That's zombie seal.
Speaker 4: We so okay, I'll be honest, like on the show,
Speaker 4: I think a dog ate it because we couldn't find
Speaker 4: it like where we buried it. So we ended up
Speaker 4: so our producers were just this is when this is
Speaker 4: when like we knew we were having to end the
Speaker 4: show soon because our family, like we didn't, I mean
Speaker 4: not everyone's that interesting. And so once they started shaking
Speaker 4: a plane and having a wedding cake in there. My
Speaker 4: dad was like, we're done, yea yeah, And this is
Speaker 4: the seal flipper thing too, Like we went and got
Speaker 4: pickled pigs feet from the grocery store and just threw
Speaker 4: it in the ground and was like, ugh, well.
Speaker 2: That's the thing.
Speaker 1: It's the it's the thing about these flying shows. Because
Speaker 1: I watched the Ice Flyers or something like that as well.
Speaker 1: Do you ever watch that?
Speaker 3: I didn't even watch our show.
Speaker 2: No, I didn't watch my show. Yeah I can't. Basically,
Speaker 2: if you're in a show, why the hell would you
Speaker 2: watch it?
Speaker 3: You just start ripping yourself apart. I'm like, that's how
Speaker 3: I walk. It looks like I have to peel all the.
Speaker 1: Oh god, I hate it's weird. I think I look
Speaker 1: like stuff shoulders? Is that anyway? I don't want to
Speaker 1: talk about my stuff shoulders? Why did you bring them up?
Speaker 1: What are you doing now?
Speaker 2: Do you have a podcast?
Speaker 3: No? I don't. What am I doing now? Good question?
Speaker 1: Trying to you don't have to have an answer, It's
Speaker 1: not this is not a careers thing. I'm just you know,
Speaker 1: I just want to know if you're okay and you.
Speaker 2: Know I'm doing. I'm good.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to get I love like, I love entertaining
Speaker 4: and I love travel shows and stuff. So trying to
Speaker 4: do another travel show. I do a thing on the
Speaker 4: Great North. You have to do a little voice.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah, just cartoon.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I love cartoons.
Speaker 4: I need to talk to your son Milo about helping
Speaker 4: me with like a car.
Speaker 3: Yeah, studio, that's I know, that's why I heard.
Speaker 2: That's insane.
Speaker 3: That's awesome.
Speaker 2: You know Studio Flimpo, they like make stuff and everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so cool. But there's just there's hope it.
Speaker 1: Gets really rich. I can like get all the money
Speaker 1: back for for skill and stuff. I'll be like, all right,
Speaker 1: here's what skill cost you know what college costs.
Speaker 4: But he will he's so smart. Just hanging out with
Speaker 4: him this summer and stuff. I'm just like Jesus, or
Speaker 4: what's it? When was when we were in Scotland?
Speaker 3: July?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Wait when were we last there? It was for for
Speaker 3: fourth of July.
Speaker 2: Fourth of July. Were you there fourth of July? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Was I there physically? I was there? Not so much? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah yeah that was No, that was twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two.
Speaker 1: I think okay, because that's when everybody got COVID.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, did you get COVID?
Speaker 3: I did it.
Speaker 2: We had a party that.
Speaker 1: Has everybody go good either, like fifty four people got COVID.
Speaker 2: I didn't get it and you didn't get it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think I'm filthy. I think I'm immune to everything.
Speaker 3: I think like you've never had COVID. No, yeah, you
Speaker 3: got it now? Yeah?
Speaker 4: No, I mean I don't get sick that often. I
Speaker 4: get injured a lot, but not really sick.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean you live outdoors. I mean you're
Speaker 1: outdoors up right all the time, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Is that from Alaska?
Speaker 1: Is that you think it's like you were just like
Speaker 1: because in the summer in Alaska.
Speaker 2: You got to get as much as of it as
Speaker 2: you can.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're outside all the time. But in the winter
Speaker 4: outside all the time too, just kiss warmer.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But like I'm like an animal, like I have
Speaker 3: to be outside.
Speaker 4: I get like antsy if I'm inside too long, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna start like ripping things here soon.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember seeing you chewing the carpet, but I thought
Speaker 1: I was discussed. It was late at night and you're
Speaker 1: having fun with those remember those Swedish people.
Speaker 4: Man, that was that boat trips or think they can?
Speaker 4: I thought I could drink and.
Speaker 2: Swedes like they take it to a different level.
Speaker 3: Yeah, those those trips are so fun. I can't wait
Speaker 3: for another one, hopefully in Scotland.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I'm taking a.
Speaker 3: Break from that for a while and then going. Yeah,
Speaker 3: main lobster season, all the stuff.
Speaker 2: All that stuff in New York City a lot for me. Now.
Speaker 2: I've had enough for the countryside for a while.
Speaker 3: Really. Yeah, it's it's so massive here, no denying it before.
Speaker 4: I think from being in the jungle so long and
Speaker 4: I've been spending so much time in all these little
Speaker 4: towns with like no power and stuff, and then coming here,
Speaker 4: it's like you're I'm just like, oh my god, as
Speaker 4: I'm eating a can of sardines and my hotel room.
Speaker 2: Talk to me for that.
Speaker 1: So was that like a detox from the just you
Speaker 1: can't go to a restaurant.
Speaker 3: Or no, I'm so cheap. I had leftover canned fish
Speaker 3: from Nicaragua. That's in my bag.
Speaker 2: I smuggled can fish into the country.
Speaker 3: That's all I eat. There was like Cantuna. There's like
Speaker 3: nothing in the your fingers smell like fish.
Speaker 1: No, fish finger probably will smell a bit like fish.
Speaker 2: I'm not aware of it right now, but I'm drinking coffee.
Speaker 4: I know we might we might have to eat something
Speaker 4: else tonight other than cantfish.
Speaker 3: I think I have one more can of sardines in
Speaker 3: my bag.
Speaker 2: Megan, my wife, your pal is on an airplane right now.
Speaker 2: She lands in about two or three hours.
Speaker 3: I'm excited.
Speaker 1: She's very excited to see. She told me to tell
Speaker 1: you she's very excited to see. Well, you guys are
Speaker 1: going for like a twelve hour brunch tomorrow or something.
Speaker 2: Is that the plant?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna like that sounds like day drinking to me.
Speaker 3: It's still going to be a lot of mimosas.
Speaker 4: I think a lot of mimosas and a lot of
Speaker 4: hopefully laughs, and a lot of tears and a lot
Speaker 4: of just boy talk.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't want her, dude, boy, she didn't.
Speaker 4: And walk me through boards. I'm thirty six, and I'm
Speaker 4: still like, what's wrong with me?
Speaker 2: Six?
Speaker 3: That's so crazy.
Speaker 2: I think you has being like twenty three or something.
Speaker 4: Same year, and I still feel like, Yeah, I'm like,
Speaker 4: how am I I'm on the cusp of forty and
Speaker 4: I feel you're thirty six. I love getting older, though,
Speaker 4: like I that wareof really well, I feel more like
Speaker 4: I definitely I like myself more and I'm excited to
Speaker 4: get over this hump of sadness and like, did you
Speaker 4: like when your parents pass out? You just you're almost
Speaker 4: grieving your past self too, because I feel like I'm
Speaker 4: a completely different person than.
Speaker 2: You're a different person. Yeah, and that's okay.
Speaker 3: Energetically heavy, Like I just feel heavy.
Speaker 1: Well that I think that's grief. I don't I don't
Speaker 1: feel I don't look. Look, I'm not a doctor or therapist,
Speaker 1: right like that, but I'm your friend, and you seem
Speaker 1: okay to me. You know it's you're sad, but you
Speaker 1: know your dad died. If you weren't sad, that wouldn't
Speaker 1: make any sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was just thinking about that the other day though,
Speaker 4: is like, am I ever going to feel light again?
Speaker 4: But then but then you have those moments where I
Speaker 4: did feel like they weren't like catching that wave, and
Speaker 4: I'm like, I feel a little bit of like old
Speaker 4: me again. But then again, everyone's like you have to
Speaker 4: grow and evolve, and like change. You should be changing,
Speaker 4: and so I'm like, yeah, I guess I shouldn't like
Speaker 4: always strive to be that like twenty three year old child.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but changes. I mean, look, change is the law
Speaker 1: of the universe. You gotta change. Everything changes all the time,
Speaker 1: and people people don't like it, even even if they
Speaker 1: want it. It's difficult, you know when you know the
Speaker 1: quote I heard was maybe I made it up, but
Speaker 1: it changes the law of God's mind, and resistance to
Speaker 1: it is the source.
Speaker 3: Of old me Ooh, I love that. That might have
Speaker 3: to be our tattoo.
Speaker 2: Ohky, I was thinking more a skeleton mayor maid.
Speaker 1: Oh that could be Yeah, that could be really good, right,
Speaker 1: I was thinking that the thing is my friend or
Speaker 1: he's my friend Megan's cousin Tom.
Speaker 2: Have you met Tom? Maybe he's a pilot for American Airlines.
Speaker 1: He's like super high achiever, like Triple seven pilot, Like
Speaker 1: it's very cool.
Speaker 2: He's got a skeleton mermaid tattoo.
Speaker 1: So I can't really get one now because they don't
Speaker 1: look like I'm trying to copy Tom, which I am.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know that's actually a good idea. That wait,
Speaker 3: say that quote one more time?
Speaker 1: Changes the law of God's mind and resistance to it
Speaker 1: is the source.
Speaker 2: Of all time.
Speaker 3: Okay, I like that one. I've been into quotes slightly.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I think who was it? Said about quotes?
Speaker 1: Gorvi dal Gorevidale said about quotes in the book Julian
Speaker 1: the Apostle, which is about the Roman emperor that tried
Speaker 1: to stop Christianity taking hold after the emperor Constantine. It's
Speaker 1: actually it's a great book. Actually, it's really fun. It's
Speaker 1: a fun book to read. It's good jokes in it
Speaker 1: and stuff. Okay, but Gorvidal was very funny. But he said,
Speaker 1: and I'm paraphrasing because if I quoted a quote about quotes,
Speaker 1: that would be too ironic even for me. So it's
Speaker 1: he says that people use quotes in order to make
Speaker 1: them sound as clever as the person who said the.
Speaker 3: Thing, darn it.
Speaker 1: But really they're just sure enough that they can remember
Speaker 1: a quote.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, I well I had one for you because your
Speaker 4: podcast is joy and so one of my things for
Speaker 4: the last couple of years I wanted to go and
Speaker 4: take positive psychology. There's this professor at Harvard, sewn Acre.
Speaker 2: And I just I love what's positive psychology?
Speaker 3: I never heard the Study of Happiness and Joy Sean Acre,
Speaker 3: and I love so his quote about so happiness is
Speaker 3: a joy you feel while moving towards your full potential.
Speaker 2: Doesn't like that sounds a bit corporate to me.
Speaker 3: No, it's no. It was like, you feel so good
Speaker 3: when you're improving, like when you're like when you're growing
Speaker 3: and evolving and changes, like it's like when you're training
Speaker 3: for a marathon. It's could be painful, but then feel
Speaker 3: joy because you're like you're progressing or like you're you're.
Speaker 1: I think that I think that there's some truth to that.
Speaker 1: But I also think because because you know, I have
Speaker 1: children and I have to instill in them the idea
Speaker 1: that sometimes if you want something, it's it's difficult, you
Speaker 1: have to go through difficult Like if you want to
Speaker 1: learn how to play the guitar, you have to practice
Speaker 1: playing the guitar. If you want to learn how to surf,
Speaker 1: if you want to really enjoy surfing, learn how to surf.
Speaker 1: And every now and again you might break your fingers
Speaker 1: if you go night surfing and nickerag Have you ever
Speaker 1: even been attacked by a shark?
Speaker 3: By the way, No, I haven't.
Speaker 2: Disappointed like I feel bad shark attack.
Speaker 4: We go back to that thing though, like, but don't
Speaker 4: you feel like just what you said though, that's you're
Speaker 4: still growing even though it was like pain, pain, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Pain is what is it?
Speaker 3: This?
Speaker 1: There's there's another quote I wish I've never brought up that.
Speaker 1: I feel like gor Vidal's wanting me. Do you know
Speaker 1: I once went to a party and Gorfidale was there.
Speaker 1: He was very old. I didn't talk to him, and
Speaker 1: I wish I had.
Speaker 4: Oh, so you made it seem like he was like
Speaker 4: like hundreds of years old, Like this guy's is he alive?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: No, he died about ten or gorvii Dal he wrote
Speaker 1: some great books.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm going to have to write him down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he wrote a book called Burr about the Burr
Speaker 1: Burr b u r R Aaron Burr, the guy. Have
Speaker 1: you seen Hamilton? I haven't, right, So he's the badd
Speaker 1: in Hamilton. He's one of the founding fathers and Gorvidal.
Speaker 1: Gorvidal would be furious that I used that as a
Speaker 1: reference point, but he was furious anyway.
Speaker 2: Though. He was a very air you die.
Speaker 1: He was a contemporary of Truman Capoti like so a fifties, sixties,
Speaker 1: seventies eighties writer.
Speaker 3: Burr.
Speaker 1: He wrote Burr Yeah, and it was a very good
Speaker 1: book about one of the founding fathers are Burr. And
Speaker 1: he wrote he was the guy that said, here's a quote,
Speaker 1: never turned down the opportunity to have sex or appear
Speaker 1: on television.
Speaker 3: I remember you saying I heard you say that one before.
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, I'm so I coached corn.
Speaker 1: I think I actually think that he's totally wrong. I
Speaker 1: think about ninety nine times out of one hundred, always
Speaker 1: turned down the idea the opportunity to have sex and
Speaker 1: to appear on television the same amount of times. But
Speaker 1: when I was younger, maybe I thought differently, But now
Speaker 1: I feel very differently. Always turned down the opportunity to
Speaker 1: have sex or money. Yes, yes, phase, Yes, I think
Speaker 1: it's a good thing. Like you go out and kind
Speaker 1: of like get your groove back still.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Oh? I love that movie.
Speaker 4: But yeah, that's why I was like, I'm in my
Speaker 4: prime right now, I should be should be bone and everything.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, if that's what you want to.
Speaker 3: Do, my dad right now, Like I'll shut your mouth.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, well that's the other thing too though.
Speaker 3: Now I feel like he's watching all the time, so
Speaker 3: I have to be on my best behavior all the time.
Speaker 4: And I'm just like, should I be doing this? And
Speaker 4: I'm like, go go hang out with my sisters right
Speaker 4: now while you go do something stupid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, You're not that stupid now.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty smart.
Speaker 1: You kind of like you have adventures. I've seen you, like,
Speaker 1: you know, go off to places that are scary or
Speaker 1: not scary. I remember running into you in Paris. Remember
Speaker 1: so rare now to each other in Paris?
Speaker 3: In Paris.
Speaker 1: I know it sounds so international as well, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: We were just walking down to where were he wasn't
Speaker 1: it was?
Speaker 3: It was really And then we had pasta with you
Speaker 3: guys and my friend Simon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, your friend Simon. How's he doing.
Speaker 3: He's good. He's in Toronto. Yeah, so and that's good. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he was. He was. He was like a business friend.
Speaker 2: He's a business Yeah.
Speaker 4: He helped me start a nonprofit. All right, what was
Speaker 4: popping bubbles? Suicide?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because of the suicide problem in Alaska.
Speaker 2: Are you still working with that?
Speaker 3: I need to get back on it. I stopped for
Speaker 3: like this last year.
Speaker 2: But you've been dealing with some years.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I don't know, Like so my whole theory
Speaker 4: now there is not a theory. But for me, I
Speaker 4: wanted to like inspire kids. Life could be amazing if
Speaker 4: you like, if you say yes to opportunities, if you
Speaker 4: give kids opportunities experiences. So the name came about. I
Speaker 4: was talking about how all of us live in our
Speaker 4: own little bubble. We're scared to leave the village or
Speaker 4: to try new things, or to talk to people that
Speaker 4: are different from us. And I think we would be
Speaker 4: happier and healthier if we pop each other's bubbles.
Speaker 3: So that's where the name I am.
Speaker 1: I think that you could expand that to people in
Speaker 1: their little villages online and their little villages and the news,
Speaker 1: and they're.
Speaker 3: Little everywhere, like all of us live in our low level.
Speaker 1: Listen, you can maybe have waymouth. As you're thirty six,
Speaker 1: we have friends, right, mm hmm. But I'm from the
Speaker 1: evil generation and you're from the good generation. Right.
Speaker 3: Why would you say you're from the evil generation?
Speaker 2: Well, apparently we're bad guys right now?
Speaker 5: Sixty two year olds, yeah, yeah, sixty one, sixty one, yeah,
Speaker 5: it's sixty two and like three four weeks like, knock
Speaker 5: it off, So why worry about not really for you,
Speaker 5: maybe people who are younger than you, it seems to me.
Speaker 2: And maybe I'm wrong about this.
Speaker 1: I'm parefully prepared to be wrong about this, but it
Speaker 1: seems to me that it's quite difficult for young people
Speaker 1: to talk to people they don't agree with, Like it's
Speaker 1: much more difficult than it used to be, Like if
Speaker 1: you don't agree with someone, you immediately get away.
Speaker 3: From them, or yeah, I see that.
Speaker 4: I see that, Like they're so afraid of like confrontation
Speaker 4: or from Yeah, just they don't even approach someone that's different.
Speaker 2: Though, Yeah, it seems weird to me.
Speaker 1: I mean it's like and look, clearly that's something they've
Speaker 1: been taught, so the responsibility for it doesn't fall on them, But.
Speaker 3: It seems like an error I think.
Speaker 1: So, you know, like if like I got friends, I've
Speaker 1: got friends, good friends that I think they're idiots. I
Speaker 1: have friends that I don't like anything about them much
Speaker 1: except in my friend.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I can't really explain it.
Speaker 4: It's like you could you still have like what I
Speaker 4: was going to say, you could have friends and not
Speaker 4: like them, Well you I don't know where I was
Speaker 4: going to go with that.
Speaker 2: I don't It's like you can like someone and disagree
Speaker 2: with them.
Speaker 3: Maybe, guys, that's a better way to prase, you know.
Speaker 1: It's it's like you can or not be threatened by
Speaker 1: a different point of view. I think the idea that
Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to try and force you to
Speaker 1: think the way I think. I'm not just I just
Speaker 1: don't think the way you think. But it doesn't mean
Speaker 1: I don't mean I'm going to try and get you
Speaker 1: to think the way I think. And I think that
Speaker 1: it's okay to.
Speaker 4: Like have different opinions and to like disagree with people
Speaker 4: that I think people think just because you disagree with someone,
Speaker 4: then you like immediately are like quarreling. I'm like you
Speaker 4: you could have different opinions.
Speaker 2: It's fine.
Speaker 3: It's still I know.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because I I don't want to be
Speaker 1: shipping on the youth. There's too much of that people
Speaker 1: my age. Young people, they're ship They're not shit, They're
Speaker 1: just young people. Everybody's different, But I do it does
Speaker 1: seem to be a thing like like comfort. Like it's
Speaker 1: like you say, confrontation is very difficult for them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know, you know what I think helps
Speaker 4: so much or has helped me. I think, like this
Speaker 4: is why I love traveling so much, just seeing how
Speaker 4: other people live and it makes oh god, it is.
Speaker 4: When I was in Nicaragua, I met in this little town,
Speaker 4: met people from the Netherlands, Spain, Germany, Slovakia.
Speaker 3: Is that a place Slovenia in both places, and maybe
Speaker 3: I think it was the one of the k Slovakia.
Speaker 4: But all, I mean all of us like just in
Speaker 4: this small little town, just like because our love of
Speaker 4: surfing and warm weather. But everyone was so caring and
Speaker 4: but so different and sounds like there was a lot.
Speaker 2: Of weed getting smoked. It was a lot of weed
Speaker 2: getting smoked.
Speaker 3: Not a lot.
Speaker 4: Actually it was more Tonia's, which is their local beer.
Speaker 4: It's just like water beer, but I mean it's it's.
Speaker 3: Pretty much water is just like really weak.
Speaker 4: Yeah it's super weak beer, but it's so good after
Speaker 4: you're like swimming all day. Right, But no, just like
Speaker 4: just all of us were so different, but we all
Speaker 4: like at the end of the day, we're so similar,
Speaker 4: like and it still blows my mind. Is twenty twenty
Speaker 4: four and people still there's still racism and like like
Speaker 4: a micro.
Speaker 2: It's really popular.
Speaker 1: Like now I thought that shit was like still and
Speaker 1: washed dnim and it was going to go away, but
Speaker 1: apparently here it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all back again.
Speaker 4: But I'm telling you, like, if you get kids to travel,
Speaker 4: I think it's so important for them to see.
Speaker 2: That people from others.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's hard though, I mean, travel is a luxury.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: That's always a hard one to talk about too, because
Speaker 4: I'm such a promoter of traveling and stuff, and then
Speaker 4: my I have some friends that are like, that's such
Speaker 4: a privilege.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I know, I know.
Speaker 4: But then if you there's opportunities though for kids out there,
Speaker 4: for like scholarships and there's especially for Native kids.
Speaker 3: Man, we get so much free stuff. Yeah, but like if.
Speaker 4: You like maybe that's a bad thing that whatever, but
Speaker 4: we get a lot of we're like a lot of
Speaker 4: things thrown at us. And if like, man, when I
Speaker 4: was young, I raise my hand all the time like
Speaker 4: I'll go to Texas. Yeah, but I don't even know
Speaker 4: why I went by I've.
Speaker 1: Been a lot and a lot of times I don't
Speaker 1: know why I've had Nowadays, I kind of but here's
Speaker 1: the thing, you know, the popping bug bulls thing that
Speaker 1: you had about that, because there it was a real
Speaker 1: surge of juvenile or young people.
Speaker 4: I had twelve kids in my class and seven died
Speaker 4: by suicide.
Speaker 1: Was there any connection? Is there any connection to drugs
Speaker 1: with that? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Is it downers? Is it like oxyconton and stuff?
Speaker 4: I know, I think, well, I don't know. I am
Speaker 4: so oblivious when it comes to drugs. But it's a
Speaker 4: lot of alcohol, for sure.
Speaker 2: That's the drugs.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then it's a real killer too.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 4: So many, so much undiagnosed mental health, like just like
Speaker 4: a lot of kids with depression.
Speaker 3: But we don't have therapists like we have.
Speaker 4: Well, like you have your auntie, but and you're not
Speaker 4: going to go spill your guts to your auntie.
Speaker 3: So there's just a lot of therapies.
Speaker 2: It's an interesting go I've fired a lot of therapy.
Speaker 4: You have been in therapy, Yeah, I did. I was
Speaker 4: like forced to go when I was younger. I was odd,
Speaker 4: But I'm so happy that I went like my parents,
Speaker 4: Like I was like in like seventh grade and I
Speaker 4: started going like I would. I would fly to the city.
Speaker 4: Though again, like I was so lucky growing up to
Speaker 4: have a family.
Speaker 2: Like your dad had these these airplanes, and.
Speaker 3: So I was able to like go and like.
Speaker 1: Just to be clear, though the airplanes were talking, we're
Speaker 1: not talking about you know, you're having these jets, these
Speaker 1: Alaskan Bush Pilot Rattler.
Speaker 4: They're like all seven seaters and then like we had
Speaker 4: some twelve seaters and caravans and stuff.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they're the caravan. Yeah, the finest airplanes ever.
Speaker 1: I love that airplane so girthia and like strong. It's
Speaker 1: the suv of the sky. Yeah, it's a fantastic airplane.
Speaker 1: Did you ever fly in a TBM seven hundreds?
Speaker 3: Is that your No? No, that a trick question.
Speaker 1: No, it's it's got a pet sixty engines, so it's
Speaker 1: the same engine pretty much as the caravan.
Speaker 3: But it's like, you know, six seats. That's a rocket show,
Speaker 3: is it? Have you phown in an albatross?
Speaker 2: Aatross? No?
Speaker 4: Like that plane like it lands on the water on
Speaker 4: its belly. That one, Yeah, that one was my it's
Speaker 4: my favorite. It's so fun. Like my buddy has one
Speaker 4: in Utah and you'll like strip out the seats and
Speaker 4: just put like a disco wall. It's like a it's
Speaker 4: a party plane, so you like a party plane, but
Speaker 4: that's a fun one. But okay, this is I need
Speaker 4: to clear this up. So everyone assumes because I'm flying
Speaker 4: Wild Alaska that I'm like I know everything about airplanes.
Speaker 3: I know nothing. Oh yeah, I got like I could
Speaker 3: fly and stuff.
Speaker 4: But then like when it comes to like my sister's fight,
Speaker 4: Like my little sister flies helicopters and like caravans and
Speaker 4: all this stuff, but she's like the good pilot of
Speaker 4: the family. I just like, I have my private license,
Speaker 4: but people just assume that I'm like an awesome pilot,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, don't ask me any more questions.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's kind of I haven't flewn a plane in quite
Speaker 1: a while.
Speaker 3: When was the last time you flew?
Speaker 2: You know what? There's that I had going a little
Speaker 2: r V six. You know what they are. It's like
Speaker 2: a it's a tricycle gear tail dragger.
Speaker 1: Really cool. Yeah, and it's it's it's like a kitplane shoe.
Speaker 3: Seater, like an ultra light type.
Speaker 2: No, it's bigger than that.
Speaker 1: It's pretty fast, but it's uh. I was flying it
Speaker 1: around the Scotland.
Speaker 3: Oh cool, we should get current.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we should get current. Well current means that we
Speaker 1: have to get medical, right yep, So you'll have to
Speaker 1: wait till it's my fingers. You'll also have to let
Speaker 1: nicker you're aware off. I think you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: She needs to get your medical. Uh. And then three
Speaker 1: take off and take off and landings, and then for
Speaker 1: night you have to the reet take offs and landings
Speaker 1: at night and that.
Speaker 3: Probably it sounds doable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be fun.
Speaker 4: It's such a good thing to have though, just just
Speaker 4: to be able to like go up for a couple
Speaker 4: of hours, so good for like for me.
Speaker 3: It's so peaceful up there, and.
Speaker 1: It's a different it's a different kind of meditation flying
Speaker 1: on an airplane on your own, on your own.
Speaker 2: That's a weird thing, isn't that it is?
Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah, it's like, oh man, I'm in control
Speaker 3: right now of my life.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's like there's no one I can't I can't get
Speaker 1: you know, there's nothing I can do.
Speaker 2: It's like it's all on me, right Yeah.
Speaker 3: And so yeah, I want to get current. I need to.
Speaker 4: I was just in Florida doing this Drone Course Part
Speaker 4: one O seven. Now, you like, in order to fly
Speaker 4: a drone and get paid, you have to have this certificate.
Speaker 2: So the FAA now is good if.
Speaker 4: You, like, say, you post something on social media and
Speaker 4: a lot of people like when they're mountain biking or
Speaker 4: skiing or something, if they have a drone and they're
Speaker 4: flying it and then they're sponsored by like I don't know,
Speaker 4: they're sponsored by a shoe company or whatever, and you
Speaker 4: post it, like you legally could get fined. So if you, yeah,
Speaker 4: if you accept money as a drone, right.
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 1: So it's like a commercial pilot's license, but for drawing it. Yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: probably a bit easier than a commercial pilot's license.
Speaker 3: It just it's like your ground school.
Speaker 4: Like there's a lot of rules, a lot of like
Speaker 4: learning about all the different class airspaces.
Speaker 1: And I imagine that's a big one because people flying
Speaker 1: drones near airports.
Speaker 3: Yeah, come on, yeah, that's that's not clever. Yeah, that's
Speaker 3: yeah ridiculous.
Speaker 2: It is ridiculous. I'm at it.
Speaker 3: So are you having fun with this podcast?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure for a little bit at first, because
Speaker 1: like everybody has a podcast, but as long as I
Speaker 1: keep it to And I've got this really strict rule
Speaker 1: about guests, like I only have guests if I want
Speaker 1: to talk to them. If you're doing a late night show,
Speaker 1: like if you're doing an hour every night, two guests
Speaker 1: a night, five finds a week, it's like you're going
Speaker 1: to talk to a lot.
Speaker 2: Of people that you don't really fucking care about.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, but once your one one hour a week
Speaker 1: doing this, yeah, I can keep it to just people
Speaker 1: I want to talk to. And I think it makes
Speaker 1: a difference to the conversations as well.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, did you what made you pick joy? The word?
Speaker 1: It was because everyone's so mad right now. Everything's so angry,
Speaker 1: and I kind of like, I have this thing and
Speaker 1: I've been talking to Megan about it too, your friend,
Speaker 1: my wife.
Speaker 2: I'm also friendly.
Speaker 1: But the news, any news that you get, I'm talking
Speaker 1: any news out, like even the reputable ones, the like
Speaker 1: the big now everything everything seems to be so based
Speaker 1: in fear, Like the hyperbole of any news report. Even
Speaker 1: the fucking weather. You know, you can't even say there's
Speaker 1: a cold front coming in, so get your jacket.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like the storm watch, danger alife. You
Speaker 2: go it's gonna rain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes it's a real storm, and then you have
Speaker 1: to say that, But if you say that for every
Speaker 1: piece of weather, then that's going to listen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or it seems like everything's gone crazy.
Speaker 1: Everything's so dire to get people's attention because, you know,
Speaker 1: because the nature of it's not like you buy a
Speaker 1: newspaper and then everything in it you own and you
Speaker 1: can read it when you want. It's like, unless you
Speaker 1: engage with the clique, it has no value to the
Speaker 1: person that's putting it out, So you have to go
Speaker 1: to it. So if you look at the news outlets,
Speaker 1: they're so hyperbolic, they're so frightening that I wanted to
Speaker 1: not do that. I want to try and find something
Speaker 1: that was at least a little bit in the opposite direction,
Speaker 1: like a change of course, a little bit not necessarily lighter.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think it has to be frivolous,
Speaker 1: but to you know, like, here's a flying analogy, right,
Speaker 1: So if you start off from an airport and your
Speaker 1: two degrees off course, right, so at five miles from
Speaker 1: the airport to the year, it's no big deal. You
Speaker 1: just you know, correct it and you're back on course.
Speaker 1: If you stay off course, it keeps going and going.
Speaker 1: And now you know you've been flying for an hour
Speaker 1: and now you're five hundred miles from where you're meant
Speaker 1: to be and you're running out of gas.
Speaker 3: Done that before?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that that's that's what I wanted to do.
Speaker 1: Is like it's not a big correction, but just a
Speaker 1: little correction, just like you know, we'll talk about We
Speaker 1: talked today about difficult things. You talked about your dad,
Speaker 1: talked about grief, talking about These are all things we
Speaker 1: talked about, but we talked about them in a conversation,
Speaker 1: not in a way to try and not in a
Speaker 1: way to try and get people to give us money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean. It's like and that's
Speaker 2: kind of what it is. I think. You know, look,
Speaker 2: I get paid for this, but I ain't.
Speaker 4: And I bet you're learning a lot so much too
Speaker 4: about his humanity and.
Speaker 3: Just do you think you are?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you feel like.
Speaker 3: You still have a lot to learn.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so, I think so. I think that.
Speaker 1: I also it's a different kind of thing because part
Speaker 1: of the agent process, I think, is one thing you've
Speaker 1: got to combat apart from looking like Santa. Is also
Speaker 1: the feeling that you know everything because you'll run into
Speaker 1: a bunch of people. I run into people a lot
Speaker 1: who I think, oh, you have done that and I
Speaker 1: didn't like it, do you know what I mean? So
Speaker 1: you have accumulated experiences, and the danger is is to
Speaker 1: especially if you have kids, I think, is to assume
Speaker 1: that you know more than them.
Speaker 2: I remember Milt.
Speaker 1: When he was about early teen sent me I was
Speaker 1: trying to get him to do something that he wasn't
Speaker 1: interested in, boxing or.
Speaker 2: Something, and it's like that's not his thing.
Speaker 1: And he was like, look, this might be a good school,
Speaker 1: a good skill to have if it's Scotland in nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy two. But it's not Scotland and it's not nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy two, so whatever you're trying to teach me that, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't need that.
Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, I guess you're right. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I think that that. Am I learning things?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think I am. But but I'm having conversations that
Speaker 2: matter to me. Yeah, you know, like this one.
Speaker 1: You know, I talk to people that and I've talked
Speaker 1: to people that I didn't know, and suddenly I'm like, oh, right,
Speaker 1: that's I really didn't know that. So, yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: to ask you a question, Yeah, I'm learning thing.
Speaker 4: I thought like, yeah, I definitely thought by now i'd
Speaker 4: have a lot more things figured out.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think I think people think that all the
Speaker 2: way to the end.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just like, yeah, I'm just like, man, I
Speaker 4: still don't know like what I'm doing, Like.
Speaker 3: I know what I'm doing. I'm like, I sort of
Speaker 3: know what i'm doing, but I'm like, yeah, they're even
Speaker 3: like taxes or like just stuff like that. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I think I was so sheltered just like AGA because
Speaker 3: my parents were like they just did so much. And
Speaker 3: now I'm just like Jesus, I am so behind.
Speaker 1: The thing is, I don't do mine, but I do
Speaker 1: have a guy that I pay him.
Speaker 2: He doesn't do it for nothing.
Speaker 1: He doesn't go, hey, hell, they're your taxes because you know,
Speaker 1: I liked you on DVA.
Speaker 3: But not even just taxes, just like relationships or like
Speaker 3: all the stuff like those they're hard.
Speaker 4: And then and then there's so many amazing people out there,
Speaker 4: like how am we you supposed to just pick one person?
Speaker 2: Well maybe you or not, maybe that's not for you, yeah.
Speaker 3: Or like kids.
Speaker 4: Everyone's like, you're gonna want kids. I'm like, I don't
Speaker 4: think so, don't.
Speaker 1: You don't you know, I mean, it's okay, it looks
Speaker 1: like it's other people's ship, you know.
Speaker 2: I think that. I think you got to try and
Speaker 2: live an authentic life. It's very difficult.
Speaker 1: I felt as very much when I was in the
Speaker 1: thralls of the corporate machine. I mean, look, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna lie to you. That's even this podcast is going
Speaker 1: to buy a corporate entity. I'm sure I don't ever
Speaker 1: see anybody, but you know, if I go into trouble,
Speaker 1: I'm sure they ditch me in a heartbeat.
Speaker 2: But in the corporate world I always felt there.
Speaker 1: It was like it was like you were in the
Speaker 1: core of some fucking mad Austrian emperor and there was
Speaker 1: a set of you know, you know, manners that you
Speaker 1: must fall like, you've got to have kids by then,
Speaker 1: You've got to like this kind of sport, You've got
Speaker 1: to wear these kind of pants, You've got to do it.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I can't fucking do yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and what you what you start to realize. What I
Speaker 1: started to realize is that the people I gravitate towards
Speaker 1: have the same difficulties. When I was thirty six years old,
Speaker 1: I had no fucking idea what I wanted to do.
Speaker 1: I am nearly sixty two. I have no fucking idea.
Speaker 3: Relief, let yourself off the fuck and.
Speaker 1: People telling you how to be. You don't want kids
Speaker 1: to have kids? You want kids?
Speaker 2: Have kids?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's okay if.
Speaker 2: You have them. It cuts down in your nighttime surfing.
Speaker 3: My night time surfing. Yeah, I got a van, so
Speaker 3: now I want I'm just gonna.
Speaker 2: Live that training wheels. Get a van and then a kid.
Speaker 3: I see, and maybe a plant some.
Speaker 2: Yeah, plan a plant along the way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, other than that.
Speaker 2: So also with kids, you know, they're a lot. It's
Speaker 2: a lot of it's a lot of work.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I watched my friends for like an hour, and
Speaker 3: I like age twenty years. I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: how do you guys do it all the time? You know?
Speaker 1: The ones that get me is when you see the
Speaker 1: single moms, single moms with like two or three kids,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I have a fucking idea, did you do that?
Speaker 1: It's like like and they have jobs and they work.
Speaker 1: When people are kind of like this idea of the
Speaker 1: intensity of the workload of that.
Speaker 2: It's insane.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm like, I could barely take care of myself
Speaker 4: and then I'm like supposed to take care of another yang.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm good, and I think I'm too selfish.
Speaker 4: Like I like my freedom. I like just being able
Speaker 4: to get up and get on a train to New
Speaker 4: York or like, yeah, I don't know, I like, I
Speaker 4: don't know, it seems like it would be so constricting.
Speaker 2: Well it is, but it's worth it, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I I don't regret it for a heartbeat.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but I do. I you know, it is
Speaker 1: what it is. Yeah, you know, it's like I can't
Speaker 1: of imagine my life without my son's.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh I love your kids.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm kind of fond of them, you know, but
Speaker 1: you know, but I don't expect them to be me,
Speaker 1: you know. Or and look, you know we started when
Speaker 1: we were talking about your dad. I really got a
Speaker 1: very strong sense to your dad that he was like
Speaker 1: be who you are.
Speaker 3: That's he was the best dad. He was.
Speaker 4: So he made me believe that I could be in
Speaker 4: the NBA, Like when I told him goals and dreams
Speaker 4: of mine like that, was our one of our big things.
Speaker 4: Like I love telling him like goals that I want
Speaker 4: to set or and he was so supportive.
Speaker 3: But there yeah, there was a.
Speaker 4: Time where I definitely thought I was going to be
Speaker 4: in the NBA and he like made me believe it,
Speaker 4: but he was, Yeah. He My favorite thing to do
Speaker 4: was to like like make him like in awe, like
Speaker 4: even like to go to Scotland with Craig. He's like,
Speaker 4: how the heck did this happen? But like to fascinate him,
Speaker 4: like I love fascinating him, and then calling him from
Speaker 4: the jungle and that like my last tattoo is his handwriting,
Speaker 4: because every time he like hung up on the phone,
Speaker 4: he'll be, Okay, careful, it's jungle out there. And so
Speaker 4: his last Valentine's Day card to me he wrote that,
Speaker 4: and so I have it in his handwriting. But he
Speaker 4: like I just call him every day and he's like, Okay,
Speaker 4: where in the.
Speaker 3: World are you?
Speaker 4: And then just to tell him stories like was That's
Speaker 4: why I missed the most. I think it's just calling
Speaker 4: him all the time and like just yeah, just trying
Speaker 4: to not impress him, but just trying to like because
Speaker 4: he didn't get to travel a lot. Like he's a
Speaker 4: Minnesota farm boy that ended up in the village.
Speaker 1: He's a Minnesota farm boy that ended up a fucking
Speaker 1: badass Alaska bush pipes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, isn't that Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I wouldn't say I'm sure, Oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 4: I mean that's amazing, Like he created this like the
Speaker 4: most beautiful, like amazing company. Yeah, and like yeah, but
Speaker 4: that's Everyone's like, what where did you get your like
Speaker 4: one like sense of like wonder or like adventure. And
Speaker 4: I'm like, shit, it was my dad, Like he left
Speaker 4: his whole family and ended up in the middle of nowhere, Alaska,
Speaker 4: and like yeah, and so I was like, oh man,
Speaker 4: I got it from him.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And you know what, I still kind of every now
Speaker 1: and again. I can't call my parents on the telephone,
Speaker 1: but I still kind of think about them when something happens,
Speaker 1: like usually like when with me, now it's usually with
Speaker 1: the kids.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you see with us.
Speaker 1: You see this like you know, because my dad didn't
Speaker 1: want to pain of shoes until he was eleven years
Speaker 1: old and then, you know, I mean, it's like the
Speaker 1: difference from that to you know, where my kids are.
Speaker 2: That's one you know, this is grand cho.
Speaker 3: Yeah so crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all right. They don't you don't stop that.
Speaker 1: I don't think you can stop. You still impress them, I.
Speaker 3: Think, Yeah, hope hopefully, well.
Speaker 1: You impress the share anyway, we'll we'll stop this now
Speaker 1: and then we're about to lose it, and then we'll
Speaker 1: we'll go and meet Megan and you two can have
Speaker 1: your twenty four hour alcohol brain.
Speaker 3: Mola says, you'll have to join us to No, I
Speaker 3: want no.
Speaker 2: Part of this.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just I'm gonna wait until you're at the
Speaker 1: Hangover stage and then come back and judge you both.
Speaker 3: Okay, perfect, That sounds fair. Thank you, Craig,