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Speaker 1: Pushkin. Hey, y'all's justin Richmond. This is a very different

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Speaker 1: episode of Broken Record. We're of course continuing to drop

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Speaker 1: regular music episodes on Tuesdays, and last week we even

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Speaker 1: you an episode that could maybe help alleviate a lot

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Speaker 1: of the fear and anxiety we're feeling right now. This

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Speaker 1: is Rick Rubin talking with his friend Jack Cornfield. Jack

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Speaker 1: is a world renown Buddhist and meditation teacher. He's long

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Speaker 1: been one of the most influential figures in American Buddhism,

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Speaker 1: and he agreed to connect with Rick via zoom to

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Speaker 1: guide him and you through a couple of different meditations.

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Speaker 1: We hope you find these useful and visit these guide

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Speaker 1: meditations as frequently as you need. I know for me,

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Speaker 1: I've been doing these a couple of times a day

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Speaker 1: and has really been helping. So we hope you enjoy

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Speaker 1: and be well. This is Broken Record liner notes for

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Speaker 1: the digital Age. I'm justin Richmond. Here's Rick Rubin with

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Speaker 1: Jack Hornfield. This is unusual because typically in this space

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Speaker 1: we talk only about music and it seemed like in

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Speaker 1: this moment, it might be helpful to people to have

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Speaker 1: something to soothe them in this time of crisis. Many

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Speaker 1: people are at home with a lot of thoughts in

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Speaker 1: their heads and dealing with an unusual stress that none

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Speaker 1: of us are prepared for. And I thought, who do

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Speaker 1: I know who has tools that might be helpful? And

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Speaker 1: the first person that came to mind was you, Jack

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Speaker 1: well as a good friend and somebody who's worked with

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Speaker 1: you on creative projects. I'm really happy that we're connecting together.

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Speaker 1: This feels like a critical time for the music of

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Speaker 1: and instruments. We actually need to find and sense how

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Speaker 1: we can keep making music in our life during this

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Speaker 1: outer crisis. Beautiful, So any suggestions for those of us

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Speaker 1: who are struggling in this moment, Well, let me talk

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Speaker 1: talk a little more ley another meditation than you and

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Speaker 1: The Sufis call it a so bad, which is a

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Speaker 1: conversation of the heart where we're talking heart to heart

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Speaker 1: to one another. And it seems to me in this

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Speaker 1: time that we have a choice. Epidemics, earthquakes, tornado's floods,

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Speaker 1: on earth. The question is how do we respond. If

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Speaker 1: we respond with greed or hatred, fear and ignorance, it

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Speaker 1: increases the suffering. If we respond with generosity, clarity, steadiness,

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Speaker 1: more than anything that this is the time for love.

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Speaker 1: The image in the Buddhist teachings is of the Bodhisatva,

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Speaker 1: who someone that's vows or is committed to alleviate suffering

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Speaker 1: A Bodhisata lives with courage and dignity and radiates a

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Speaker 1: this is the test we've all been waiting for. We

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Speaker 1: But with these words to start with, I'd like to

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Speaker 1: all right, Rick? Yes? Please? So if wherever you're listening

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Speaker 1: been received by consciousness, by awareness itself. This is who

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Speaker 1: you really are, the timeless consciousness that was borne into

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Speaker 1: Rest back in the vast open space of loving awareness.

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Speaker 1: It is who you really are, the witness to all things.

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Speaker 1: Trust that you have the capacity to be present for

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Speaker 1: this life, with its joys and its sorrows, its unbearable

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Speaker 1: the great heart of compassion, the wisdom of loving awareness.

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Speaker 1: Rest in it, Relax into it. It is your refuge,

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Speaker 1: it is your home. Now when you're ready, let your

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Speaker 1: listening to an outside force for our information, but our

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Speaker 1: ability to go inside and trust ourselves. Beautiful. My teacher Rajuanshah,

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Speaker 1: who lived in the forests and the border of Thailand

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Speaker 1: in Laos, this forest monastery, he was fond of saying,

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Speaker 1: it's uncertain, isn't it? You could ask him almost anything,

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Speaker 1: you know, tell me, you could ask the high falutin question,

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Speaker 1: tell me about an enlightenment, and he, you know, he

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Speaker 1: was supposed to be enlightened. He would just smile and say,

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Speaker 1: it's uncertain, isn't it? Or he would you know, you

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Speaker 1: would ask him, you know, a much more mundane question,

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Speaker 1: and he might see it's uncertain. It was the and

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Speaker 1: he was so present and relaxed in the wisdom of

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Speaker 1: uncertainty and mystery. I remember when I was a kid,

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Speaker 1: one of the things that I liked to do was

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Speaker 1: to go out on a starry summer night and lie

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Speaker 1: the sky. But then I would imagine that I was

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Speaker 1: on the bottom of the world, because there isn't really

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Speaker 1: a top or a bottom, and that I was being

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Speaker 1: held like the magnet of gravity was holding me against

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Speaker 1: the surface of the earth so I didn't fall down,

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Speaker 1: and I would be looking down into a sea of stars,

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Speaker 1: and there was this rush of joy and fear and

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Speaker 1: beauty and feeling that I was floating magnet magnetically held

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Speaker 1: on this planet, moving through the sea of stars. And

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Speaker 1: if anybody thinks they really understand, just go out on

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Speaker 1: a night that's clear and spend some time looking at

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Speaker 1: the stars. The idea, whether it's in spiritual practice or

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Speaker 1: artistic practice, is not to see perfection. I think of

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Speaker 1: sadmaster Ryokan, the most beloved poet in Japan, where he

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Speaker 1: wrote last year a foolish monk, this year, no change.

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Speaker 1: And the idea isn't so much to perfect ourselves, according

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Speaker 1: to some imagine standard. Maybe the point is to perfect

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Speaker 1: our love, to be able to live this life from

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Speaker 1: the place of love for ourselves and that which is around,

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Speaker 1: and deliver our cargo, give our gifts. Beautiful. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to take your suggestion of looking at the stars as

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Speaker 1: a homework assignment tonight, and if it's clear, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to spend a good deal of time with the stars.

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Speaker 1: Oh lovely. Maybe maybe your little boy Rah will come

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Speaker 1: out with you for a little bit too, Beautiful, he

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Speaker 1: loves and stars view the stars. Well, I have a

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Speaker 1: little more of another practice to lead, if that's okay

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Speaker 1: to talk a tiny bit about it and then do

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Speaker 1: another practice together. Yes, all right, fantastic. So this is

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Speaker 1: a practice that again builds on the Buddhist tradition, but

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Speaker 1: is really quite universal. In the Buddhist tradition, as I said,

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Speaker 1: there is this notion of the Bodhisattva of being any

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Speaker 1: of us, all of us, who is committed to alleviating

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Speaker 1: suffering or bringing blessings no matter what the circumstances. And

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Speaker 1: for the Bodhisatva, difficulties are like their bread and butter. Okay,

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Speaker 1: now is the time to step up if you some way.

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Speaker 1: This is the test, This is really what I need

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Speaker 1: to do. So, as a Bodhisattva, you begin to notice

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Speaker 1: that your response in this uncertainty has to come from

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Speaker 1: a very deep place in your heart, what is your

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Speaker 1: best intention, your most noble aspirations, especially going through the

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Speaker 1: kind of difficulty that we as all of humanity are facing.

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Speaker 1: And if you let yourself listen, you'll come to a

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Speaker 1: kind of inner knowing. Sometimes in some traditions it's called

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Speaker 1: a vow that becomes your north star, so that whenever

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Speaker 1: you get lost, to remember and it reminds you what

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Speaker 1: really matters to you. So if you would let yourself

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Speaker 1: sit quietly and again, let your eyes close gently, and

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Speaker 1: come back to the loving awareness presence for your own

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Speaker 1: body seated here on this earth, for your own heart

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Speaker 1: and mind. Again, each time you tune in, let the

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Speaker 1: body and heart and mind settle, held in the field

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Speaker 1: of loving awareness that doesn't resist or try to judge

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Speaker 1: or change, but tenderly with compassion, says Ah. This is

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Speaker 1: the experience now, the experience of your own mysterious humanity.

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Speaker 1: And as you say quietly, you might even reflect on

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Speaker 1: those beings who've inspired you from history or from your

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Speaker 1: own life, who like you are called to do, have

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Speaker 1: gone through really hard times with dignity, courage, and love,

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Speaker 1: and they ask your heart, what is my best intention

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Speaker 1: or what is my highest or most dignified, noble aspiration

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Speaker 1: in living through this difficult time? What would it be?

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Speaker 1: And it doesn't have to be grand or poetic. It

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Speaker 1: might be as simple as I vowed to stay kind.

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Speaker 1: But let your heart answer. You can listen, you can

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Speaker 1: sense in a respectful and tender and courageous way. You

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Speaker 1: can know and recite in whatever simple way you can,

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Speaker 1: your vow to yourself, your intention. I vow to remain

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Speaker 1: kind no matter what or whatever it is. And when

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Speaker 1: you're ready, let your eyes open again. And this is

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Speaker 1: a treasure. When the podcast is over, write it down,

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Speaker 1: put it on a piece of paper, and place it

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Speaker 1: in a spot where you will see it. If you

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Speaker 1: have a spot that's your altar, or a place where

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Speaker 1: you put things that are precious, or maybe it's just

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Speaker 1: you know, by the sink as a reminder when you

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Speaker 1: wake up in the morning, or take to the mirror,

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Speaker 1: but someplace that holds your vow for it's time for

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Speaker 1: you to be the medicine, the uplifting music, the lamp

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Speaker 1: in the darkness to burn stout would love to be

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Speaker 1: a carrier of hope for people around you. And even

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Speaker 1: if there's a funeral, funeral which there will be to

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Speaker 1: send them off for a song. When you tune into

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Speaker 1: your vow, trust your dignity and goodness. If others hoard,

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Speaker 1: you can help, and if others deceive, you can speak

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Speaker 1: the truth, stand up for it. And where others are

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Speaker 1: overwhelmed or uncaring, you can be kind, respectful. And when

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Speaker 1: you worry about your parents or your children, your beloved's,

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Speaker 1: the vulnerable ones, let your heart open to share in

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Speaker 1: everyone's care for their parents. It's not just your parents,

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Speaker 1: but it's all of those of us around the world

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Speaker 1: or holding their parents well being in their hearts, or

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Speaker 1: their children or their loved ones. And breathe together with us.

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Speaker 1: All we are holding our parents, we're holding our children,

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Speaker 1: we're holding our loved ones. This is called the Bodhisattva's

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Speaker 1: great heart of compassion, and it's yours. It's in you.

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Speaker 1: It opens to those who are vulnerable, those who are suffering,

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Speaker 1: all of us, even those who are causing suffering, held

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Speaker 1: in the compassionate heart, for we're in this together. And

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Speaker 1: as you quiet yourself, then you can sense that you

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Speaker 1: know how to respond. It will get clear, how to

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Speaker 1: help those around you, how to contribute, to bring your

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Speaker 1: gifts now or as things unfold, because even if you're

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Speaker 1: shut in, and maybe you can do things online, and

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Speaker 1: maybe you're young and you can buy groceries for the elderly,

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Speaker 1: or maybe you can make music and send things around.

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Speaker 1: This will end. The cycle of the epidemic will run

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Speaker 1: through the bodies of humanity. Many will be sick, many

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Speaker 1: may die, but it has an end, and as it does,

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Speaker 1: will be called upon to rebuild a new world, to

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Speaker 1: find a vision for our common humanity in the most

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Speaker 1: beautiful way possible. So you are also gathering your strength

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Speaker 1: and sensing your capacity to make a difference, to be

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Speaker 1: the one that the world needs, that one on the boat.

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Speaker 1: So Rick, my friend, how is this as a practice

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Speaker 1: for you? Beautiful? Thank you so much. Yeah, we're in

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Speaker 1: this together. We're holding virtual hands in a certain way.

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Speaker 1: It's all virtual. It's all the play of mind and consciousness.

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Speaker 1: That's what it is. We think it's somehow out there,

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Speaker 1: but actually it's all woven together in this vast field

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Speaker 1: of awareness and consciousness. It's what we are. But we

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Speaker 1: can connect like this and it matters so much. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: it's so helpful. It's so helpful. You have no idea, well,

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Speaker 1: it's helped me so. And it's funny, you know, each

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Speaker 1: time I teach, it's like, I'm sure it's true for

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Speaker 1: your good musicians as well. Each time you do it.

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Speaker 1: It's not just for some one else. It's your body

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Speaker 1: and your instrument, your horn, whatever it is. You know,

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Speaker 1: your acts making music for itself, for its own sake. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and so we're all doing that, me too, and I'm

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Speaker 1: grateful to be able to do it. But mostly take

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Speaker 1: care of yourself, you know, be safe and protected and

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Speaker 1: of all things, be loving to your own being into

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Speaker 1: all that you touch around you. Thank you so much, Jack,

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Speaker 1: my pleasure. I'm I'm a bit speechless and spaced out

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Speaker 1: from everything. You Well, we'll give it the next time.

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Speaker 1: We'll do a grounding meditation. I'm a little spaced out today, Jack,

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Speaker 1: because I'm on the I just did. Have you ever

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Speaker 1: heard of a potato hack? No? Okay, it's a three

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Speaker 1: day fast, but it's not really a fast. The only

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Speaker 1: thing you're allowed to eat are potatoes for three days,

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Speaker 1: white potatoes, and they have to be cooked, cooled, cooked, cooled, cooked, cooled.

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Speaker 1: So what it does is it changes the carbohydrate from

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Speaker 1: start from just traditional starch to the kind of starch

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Speaker 1: that feeds the gut bacteria. Interesting. Yeah, and it resets

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Speaker 1: your whole relationship to food, So it's really send me

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Speaker 1: a send me a link to that. I have to say, Rick,

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Speaker 1: you have to understand that you're weird, but you're good weird.

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Speaker 1: So I'd love to see this link. Maybe we'll try. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's great. It's I'm completely spaced out because I haven't

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Speaker 1: had any food yet today at all. For the last

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Speaker 1: three days. It's only been potatoes for some reason. Seem

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Speaker 1: to make me nauseous. You, I mean, we've eaten together

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Speaker 1: enough for you to know I don't normally eat carbohydrates.

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Speaker 1: You know that I don't either, so this is like

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Speaker 1: I'm really interested. Yeah, it's a really bizarre switch, but

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Speaker 1: it feeds the bacteria and it resets your whole system.

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Speaker 1: But I'll send you information about it. Pretty interesting, really fun.

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Speaker 1: All right, I might send you some other stuff too.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to take care, lots of love, right. We

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Speaker 1: really appreciate Jackcornfield coming on the show to share those

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Speaker 1: meditations with us. If you'd like to explore Jack's work

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Speaker 1: some more, you can go to Jackcornfield dot com. You

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Speaker 1: can also find a link in the show description, or

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Speaker 1: by visiting broken record podcast dot com. Stay safe, everyone,