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Speaker 1: Here we go our word two on a Monday, Matt

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Speaker 1: Hasselback three to four minutes out the news of the day,

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Speaker 1: Just change Brian Davell out fire, just like the Jets

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Speaker 1: last year. Firing the head coach middle of the season

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Speaker 1: who happens to be the best coach on the staff.

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Speaker 1: Not what I would have done, but it does give

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Speaker 1: you a head start on the best coach available on

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Speaker 1: the market. Mike McCarthy would be my guy. Offensive guy.

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Speaker 1: It's an offensive league. You can go to Cooper Rush,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, you can go to Dak Prescott. I think

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Speaker 1: he's a good B plus coach. You know, would an

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Speaker 1: a coach want that job? No? I got news for

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Speaker 1: eight coaches like Mike Frable. They don't want the Jets

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Speaker 1: of the Giants. He wanted to go back to Robert Kraft.

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Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh is not even Michigan for the Jets or Giants.

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton's not taking those jobs. What happens in the

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Speaker 1: NFL is the good coaches use the Jets and the Giants,

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Speaker 1: make sure everybody thinks they're interested. Then they take the

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Speaker 1: better job with the better owner. But I wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: fired Dave Oll. That's me. I'll talk to Matt hassel

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Speaker 1: Back in a few minutes. But it is Monday. Colin

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Speaker 1: Wright Colin wrong, and here we go. Where Colin was right,

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Speaker 1: I said three years ago, I said, if Matt Stafford

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Speaker 1: ends his career like I think he's gonna end it,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna look at he and Aaron Rodgers and say

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Speaker 1: who is really better? Right now? He's the MVP last

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Speaker 1: two years, forty five touchdowns, ten interceptions, and Aaron looks

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Speaker 1: really old. Matt Stafford with this coach, finally has a

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Speaker 1: reasonable chance every Sunday to succeed. And right there's not

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Speaker 1: a better guy from the pocket in the NFL right

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Speaker 1: now than Matt Stafford of the La Rams.

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was wrong.

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Speaker 1: I defended hiring seventy four year old Pete Carroll, but

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Speaker 1: Seattle's on fire since he left, and the Raiders are

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Speaker 1: getting progressively worse. He pursued Geno Smith that I don't

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Speaker 1: get Pete had a year off to reflect and modernize,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know. Nothing's working. I'm not expecting you

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Speaker 1: to win eight games. Nothing looks good. The special teams,

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Speaker 1: the run game, the defense, none of it looks buttoned up.

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was right, The Niners are what I.

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Speaker 1: Thought they were, not as good Seattle to the Rams.

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Speaker 1: That's why I picked him for third. People said to you,

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Speaker 1: out of your mind, and I said, they're old, expensive

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Speaker 1: and brittle. Old players get hurt more and it takes

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Speaker 1: longer for the old players to get back. It's not

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Speaker 1: Max Jones. Mac Jones is doing fine. Don't don't don't

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Speaker 1: blame Mac Jones. That's not the issue. The issue is

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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers are an old football team, and

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Speaker 1: you are seeing the results of that very old football team.

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was wrong.

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Speaker 1: Now we can show the Michael Pennox video three straight

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Speaker 1: games completing less than sixty percent of his throws, and

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Speaker 1: I liked him out of college. In fact, he had

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Speaker 1: forty five career start So my takeaway was he's going

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Speaker 1: to be kind of ready to play boy. He misses,

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Speaker 1: he looks uncomfortable. He's skipping a lot of balls. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't look right, and I got to take a wrong

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was right, I.

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Speaker 1: Said a couple of years ago, John Snyder's as good

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Speaker 1: and Pete Carroll have separated and it is now his roster,

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Speaker 1: I think there's an argument this is the best and

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Speaker 1: watch the Seahawks. He also got a third round pick

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Speaker 1: That is great gmming. Right now, this roster is as

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was wrong, I said to.

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Speaker 1: Dallas Mavericks, I said, they're going to make the Western

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was right?

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Speaker 1: Everybody bailed on Kaylan de Boor. Oh, Kaylan de Boor

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Speaker 1: is no Nick Saban. Well, he's beaten Georgia, Tennessee, LSU

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Speaker 1: And you know it takes even if you replace Nick Saban.

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Speaker 1: You got to build your own culture. And nobody's discussing

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Speaker 1: where Colin was right. I worried about hiring two coordinators

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Speaker 1: play calling. He didn't do that with Ben Johnson. So

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Speaker 1: when you hire in house and don't have a global search,

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Speaker 1: you may get a really good candidate, but you're not

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Speaker 1: getting the best candidates. I thought they played it safe.

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Speaker 1: of discomfort. So and Dan Campbell soft sold it, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was a collaborative effort. He took over

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Speaker 1: play calling from the OC. That's not what he wanted

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Speaker 1: to do at the start of the season. Colin Wright

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Speaker 1: Colin wrong on a Monday with that Matt Hassel eighteen

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we put up forty five points, almost six hundred yards.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was the play caller, you know. So that's tough.

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't like firing the best coach in

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Speaker 1: the staff midseason. If you're gonna fire a coach, get

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Speaker 1: about the substitute teacher law. Everybody loves the interim. Everybody

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Speaker 1: plays great with the interim, they win three games, and

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Speaker 1: everybody goes hire the interim. Again, that's not the best coach,

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Speaker 1: it's the interim. I don't like firing Brian Dabole now,

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Speaker 1: who had a good relationship with Jackson Dart What say you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, I get that point. But there's a lot

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Speaker 3: more that goes into this. And you know, the losing

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Speaker 3: stuff like that, the embarrassing game management loss this last week.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's those things.

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Speaker 3: I think I think that concussion protocol mix up, you know,

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Speaker 3: I think that's I don't think that's That's not the

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Speaker 3: New York Giants. They don't want to be known for

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Speaker 3: stuff like that on the fringes, and I think that

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Speaker 3: just that your star quarterback, your prize possession. He's been

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Speaker 3: in that blue tent way too much. I think he's

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Speaker 3: been evaluated for concussions four times since he's been playing recently.

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Speaker 3: And they're running him the way that they were running

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Speaker 3: like Saquon Barkley. You know, they're all this quarterback run game.

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Speaker 4: I get it.

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Speaker 3: You get an advantage in the run game, it's working.

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Speaker 3: At the same time, you got to have a little

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Speaker 3: bit more care for the future of the franchise. And

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Speaker 3: that's exactly what that quarterback is. So and I think

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Speaker 3: those things also played into this thing. And just one

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Speaker 3: other thing. If you think the fact that Daniel Jones

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Speaker 3: having the success that he's having with the Indianapolis Colts

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Speaker 3: doesn't play into this decision as well, you're crazy like this,

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Speaker 3: This absolutely plays into the decision.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's interesting because Darnold's tearing it up in Seattle

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Speaker 3: I mean, And it's not so much about just letting

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Speaker 3: somebody walk, Like you're having closed closed door discussion and saying, like,

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Speaker 3: you know, what's our problem, what's our thing? And like

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Speaker 3: maybe you're saying, like we just don't have the right quarterback.

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Speaker 4: He's just not elite.

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Speaker 3: We need someone who's really like clutch, you know, like

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Speaker 3: like whatever the things are that we're set in closed

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Speaker 3: door meetings. And then all of a sudden he goes

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Speaker 3: and he's having the kind of year that he's having

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Speaker 3: with Indianapolis Colts. It's like, maybe maybe you were wrong

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Speaker 3: about that, so I think it all adds up. And

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Speaker 3: but again I think how they have kind of handled

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Speaker 3: like do we trust you with our prize possession in

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Speaker 3: Jackson Dart, You know, they're not so sure. And Mike Kafka, Listen,

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Speaker 3: he's a guy that he gets named for head coaching

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Speaker 3: interviews every offseason. It feels like he's you know, he's

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Speaker 3: like an element there too, where it's like, well, let's

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Speaker 3: see what this guy has before we go into our

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm I am watching. I said, I literally

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Speaker 1: because I honestly do not know, game to game, week

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Speaker 1: like everybody else in the league, I got a little

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if Pittsburgh's really that good. I

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Speaker 3: mean you say that they beat down the Colts and

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Speaker 3: beat down the Patriots. I mean I think they had

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Speaker 3: like maybe six turnovers in one of those games and

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Speaker 3: really sure who they are. You know, their defense was

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Speaker 3: really poor early, then they put it together, started playing great,

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Speaker 3: created those turnovers, like I said, But you know, I

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Speaker 3: just I think this offense looks like Aaron Rodgers with

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Speaker 3: You know, they abandoned the run game. Once they get

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Speaker 3: check with me type stuff. The run is there, and

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Speaker 3: Aaron's trying to use his all world arm and you know,

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Speaker 3: with the guys like DK metcalf Man, just hand the

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Speaker 3: ball off. Sometimes you got numbers, And that's who the

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Speaker 3: Pittsburgh Steelers want to be. That's who they are, That's

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Speaker 3: who they've been for a long time, So they got

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Speaker 3: they got to be careful because for a while it

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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow's coming back, Lamar Jackson's coming back.

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Speaker 4: Cincinnati, I would.

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Speaker 3: Say Pittsburgh, they got to They got to figure out

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Speaker 3: It's been wide receiver by committee, it's been a little

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Speaker 1: So I think both of us agreed to. The first

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you probably like Caleb more than me.

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Speaker 3: I think you're ready to I've heard you say some

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Speaker 3: He's a young player, and so he's done a great

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Speaker 3: He basically said the exact same things, and kayleb up

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Speaker 4: He's done a great job. So listen.

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Speaker 4: No, I'm not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Maybe I'm a little hot on him right now.

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Speaker 4: You just need more content? Are you trying to even

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Speaker 4: I get it. Smart, that's next level.

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Speaker 3: That's you like those cool players who like they're not

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Speaker 1: I wish I was that smart. I'm watching the Seahawks

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Speaker 1: All right, let's circle back. Brian Dabole's gone, I don't

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Speaker 3: Well, I listen, they're going to do a full search

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Speaker 4: A great quarterback whisperer.

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Speaker 3: Let's see, his personality is completely different than Brian Dayball,

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Speaker 3: Brian Daball's got it.

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Speaker 4: Where's his emotion?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 4: You see it? You know it?

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Speaker 3: have to be somebody that knows what they're doing. When

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Speaker 3: it comes to Jackson Dart, or at least can hire

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Speaker 3: the person who knows what they're doing when it comes

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Speaker 3: to Jackson Dart.

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Speaker 1: You know, UCLA is going to move their football games

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Speaker 1: to soul Far. They're leaving the Rose Ball. What do

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Speaker 1: you make of that?

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Speaker 3: Allegedly allegedly a little controversial?

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Speaker 4: Right now?

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Speaker 3: Is it the Rose Bowl yesterday? Besides the hour and

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Speaker 3: a half draffic to get up there, it's a beautiful,

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Speaker 3: beautiful place to be so well, I don't know. I

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Speaker 3: don't know what they're going to do there, but it's

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Speaker 3: a tricky situation called tricky in La.

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Speaker 1: It takes an hour and a half to get to

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Speaker 1: the grocery store, an hour and a half to agree.

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Speaker 4: Great seen, buddy, all right, see it?

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Speaker 1: Ah love. Matt Hasselbeck on our show gives me crap.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly you know. I like it from him. From

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Speaker 1: Jamack it gets really irritating. But from Hasselbeck, I can

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Speaker 1: take it.

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Speaker 5: By the way way that uclad. I'm glad you brought

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Speaker 5: that up.

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Speaker 6: That's a fascinating story, and it is super smart of

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Speaker 6: UCLA to move their games to so Fi.

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Speaker 5: You would agree with that.

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Speaker 1: Right, I don't love it.

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Speaker 5: What are you out of your mother?

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Speaker 6: Have you been to Sofi versus where they currently play

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Speaker 6: their games, Colin, So many more people will go to

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Speaker 6: the games.

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Speaker 5: It's so Fi. It's a it's one of the best

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Speaker 5: stadiums in the country right now. It's so new. It

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Speaker 5: is a great venue. I think it's a great attractive.

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Speaker 1: It's closer, it's ten tool well, it's ten miles from

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Speaker 1: the campus and the Rolls Bowls almost thirty So that's

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Speaker 1: I mean. UCLA football is broken, so they have to

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Speaker 1: do something to unbreak it. I mean, it's a broken program. Financially,

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Speaker 1: they can't figure it out. It's like one of the

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Speaker 1: lowest nils in the Big ten. So they're trying to

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Speaker 1: figure out a way to solve a broken football financial issue.

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Speaker 6: They sound like a program that's ready to go get

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Speaker 6: a big name coach. Hey, we're moving our games to Sofi.

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Speaker 6: We're relevant. They're striving for relevance.

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Speaker 7: Colin.

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Speaker 5: I think.

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Speaker 6: I'm not going to compare it to other jobs in

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Speaker 6: the country, but right now, I think that job is

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Speaker 6: on the optick right now. Somebody They're gonna get someone

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Speaker 6: young and smart, and u se LA's on the rise

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Speaker 6: for sure.

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Speaker 5: Better job than the New York Giants, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: Wait, hold on, it says here. It says here Westwood

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Speaker 1: to so far it's twenty three miles.

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Speaker 6: Really, I can't confirm that. I only go by Apple Maps.

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Speaker 6: I don't know where anything is.

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Speaker 1: I just put how far is west Wood of the

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Speaker 1: Rose Bowl. Not that the national audience cares. I thought

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Speaker 1: it was a lot farther.

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Speaker 6: I think they care more about that than the Chicago

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Speaker 6: Bears offense.

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Speaker 3: Now go the top.

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Speaker 2: Ten NFL teams according to College Number.

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Speaker 1: Ten, Indianapolis has the number one scoring offense, Number one

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Speaker 1: in yards per play, number one in total offense. They've

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Speaker 1: scored thirty plus points in five or six games. Do

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Speaker 1: they have a ceiling with Daniel Jones? Yep, he's becoming

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones again. A lot of giveaways. But here's a

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Speaker 1: remarkable number on Jonathan Taylor. He has over eight hundred

519
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Speaker 1: yards after contact after he's been hit. So this offense

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Speaker 1: is the real deal. It's got a ceiling. But I

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Speaker 1: put Indy they gotta be in here. I put him

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Speaker 1: at ten, number nine. Justin Herbert unbelievable. The Chargers have

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Speaker 1: the worst pass blocking line I think I've ever seen,

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Speaker 1: and yet their second best in the NFL on third down.

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00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: How they're a number three running back. How the fact

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Speaker 1: that they're six and one against the AFC, three and

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Speaker 1: zero against their division. They don't really have a true

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Speaker 1: number one on their third best running back, and the

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Speaker 1: pass blocking line is egregiously bad. Justin Herbert's been hit

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Speaker 1: pressured one hundred and thirteen times second place twenty four

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Speaker 1: fewer times. Herbert and Harbaugh deserve to be in here.

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Speaker 1: Nine number eight Lions. You listen, they win. They haven't

533
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Speaker 1: lost back to back game since like twenty twenty two,

534
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Speaker 1: longest streaking the league. So and say what you want.

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00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 1: Jared Goff seventy plus completion percentage in eight straight road games.

536
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Speaker 1: That extends an NFL record we always out of him.

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00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: Is good inside, bad on the road. He looked pretty

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Speaker 1: good to me. They've got multiple guys with eight plus touchdowns.

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00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 1: Armor on Saint Brown, Jamiir Gibbs. You know, do we

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Speaker 1: trust Dan Campbell situationally in big spots. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if I do. He took over play calling duties this weekend.

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Speaker 1: Not great. Detroit at eight. Number seven Ravens. Don't care

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Speaker 1: about their record. These aren't standings. Basically, they average thirty

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Speaker 1: points a game and six point one yards of play

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Speaker 1: when Lamar Jackson plays, Sorry, you're gonna make the list. Also,

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Speaker 1: if they play the NFC, take them. They're twenty five

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Speaker 1: and three. I like the roster when healthy, I like

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Speaker 1: the quarterback, I like the coach. Don't care much about

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Speaker 1: the record as long as they stay healthy. They'll be

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Speaker 1: a playoff team. They're gonna win this division. I think

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Speaker 1: after you watch Pittsburgh against the Chargers, that's fairly obvious.

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Speaker 1: Number six the Broncos. You can't keep winning this way.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think they're gonna beat Kansas City this weekend.

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Speaker 1: They're one of two teams Saints or the other to

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00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: trail in every game. It's not sustainable. But they've won

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Speaker 1: seven games in a row because their coach is great,

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00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: their defense is stacked. Their O line's excellent. Fewest sacks allowed,

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Speaker 1: yet most sacks delivered. That's very rare in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: I got Denver at six, number five, but Kansas City's

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Speaker 1: gonna beat them this weekend. They're the current favorite to

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Speaker 1: beat them this weekend, and they've outgained seven to the

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Speaker 1: last eight opponents. Listen, I don't love their run game,

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Speaker 1: but I mean I went back and looked this morning.

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Speaker 1: How many great run games as Patrick Mahomes had coach

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Speaker 1: coordinator weapons. I like them. You know, Buffalo tends to

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Speaker 1: circle the wagons and play their best game every year

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Speaker 1: in the regular season against Kansas City. Congratulations, how's that

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Speaker 1: working out for you? I got Kansas City at five.

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Speaker 1: Number four the enigmatic Eagles at four. Listen, they're four

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Speaker 1: and one against teams with winning records. They sort of

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Speaker 1: played to their competition. So they beat the Rams and

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs and the Bucks and the Packers. They beat

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Speaker 1: good teams, and they beat him on the road. They

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Speaker 1: do not give the ball up. I've said this about

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams. He doesn't throw picks. The Eagles don't turn

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Speaker 1: the ball over, and they're very good in the red zone.

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00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: So again, playoff football November football is situational football. It's

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Speaker 1: winning on the road, and they do. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: Jalen Phillips, you notice last night they pressured Jordan Love

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00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: on forty percent of his dropbacks. That is a heist

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00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: to get Jalen Phillips at the trade deadline for a

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Speaker 1: third down pick. And if he leaves, you got a

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Speaker 1: third round pick back. That is great GMing. Number three

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Speaker 1: the Patriots, I mean, they go to Buffalo, they win,

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Speaker 1: They play Tampa off of bye, they win. Drake May

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Speaker 1: eight and nine games, one hundred plus passer rating. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: and he's doing it without a number one wide receiver,

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00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: a good, not great offensive line. They're five and zero

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Speaker 1: on the road that counts for something on this list.

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Speaker 1: And they've got a lockdown corner and almost nobody in

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Speaker 1: the league does. They're seven know when Christian Gonzales out

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00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: of Oregon plays, So I mean, you're you're just watching

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00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: a great coach, a great emerging quarterback, Kyle Williams the

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00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: wide receiver, and Traveon Henderson play them please this weekend.

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Speaker 1: They did, and they were exceptional. Number two the Seahawks

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Speaker 1: best point differential in the NFC. Sam Darnold is the

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00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: highest quoted quarterback in the league. I mean, he's just fantastic,

598
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: tied for the fewest sacks all out on offense, so

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00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: they've got there can be a little reckless. Donald has

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00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: the weirdest turnovers. Rickocheing balls up a tight end helmet.

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00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: But turn the sound down and look at this def

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Speaker 1: It reminds me of Kansas City's defense about three years

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00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: ago when it was really young. Turn the sound down.

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00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: There is no faster defense in this league. Everybody runs,

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Speaker 1: the safeties, the linebackers, the edge rushers, everybody runs on

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Speaker 1: this team. Depth everywhere. No player hoole Seattle at two.

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Speaker 1: Number one, But the Rams are a more efficient version

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Speaker 1: of Seattle, you don't get the penalies, you don't get

609
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: the turnovers. Once again, pff Radson is the number one team,

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Speaker 1: the number one offense, the number three defense. Now Seattle's

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00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: got a quarterback that can move around. Kansas City does,

612
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Speaker 1: Buffalo does, Baltimore does. I do. Think as a purely

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Speaker 1: pocket quarterback, you can get into those weird situations. If

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Speaker 1: you're not running the ball, their offense can get stuck.

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Speaker 1: But right now, coaching quarterbacking, run game, pass, rush, no penalies,

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Speaker 1: they don't turn it over. They are the cleanest team

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Speaker 1: all you do. Greg Olsen, boy, he's getting good assignments.

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Speaker 1: Seahawks Rams this week maybe the game of the year.

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Speaker 1: Bears Giants last week so we got a lot to address.

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Speaker 1: Let's start. I want to do Bears Giants. I want

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Speaker 1: to get that out of the way. So you have

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Speaker 1: been an advocate for stop kicking field goals. This is

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Speaker 1: not the future. And it's interesting in the Bears Giants game,

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Speaker 1: they had an opportunity to go for it. The New

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Speaker 1: York Giants did and Brian dabol elects, now we're going

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Speaker 1: to go for three. And we've been talking about this,

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00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: the Blue Tent stuff with Jackson Dart. That decision just

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Speaker 1: gut feeling when they got rid of him, because, by

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Speaker 1: the way, they've had ten point leads on several teams.

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Speaker 1: But now without Scataboo, they can't kill the clock. They're

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Speaker 1: not really built now to get a lead and then

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00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: just ball control it. They're not unless Jackson Dart runs.

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Speaker 1: And that's problematic because you get dinged up. Why do

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Speaker 1: you think in the end they moved off Dable, Yeah.

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Speaker 10: Because I think Dabell is a really good football coach.

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00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 10: I think Dabel is a really good quarterback developer. I mean,

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Speaker 10: you look what he did with Josh Allen, You look

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Speaker 10: what he did with you know, with what he's doing

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Speaker 10: with Jackson Dart. He obviously was the one who really

650
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 10: wanted Dirt in the first place. I think it really

651
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 10: just came down to the expert, you know, the powers

652
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 10: to be just determined. There's obviously a breakdown in our

653
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 10: inability to finish these games. I mean, to lose the

654
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 10: four games that they did with double digit leads. Of course,

655
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 10: Denver being the biggest kind of head scratcher. I don't

656
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 10: think this had anything to do with they don't think

657
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 10: Dabel is a good offensive play caller, that he's not

658
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 10: a good quarterback developer, that he's not getting the best

659
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 10: out of Jackson Dart and you know, a supporting cast

660
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 10: that with Scottaboo out and elite neighbors, you know, with

661
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 10: the group around him, is not particularly dynamic, explosive. They're

662
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 10: still in the ability to get leads in the game.

663
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Speaker 10: I think they're looking at it as our decision making,

664
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 10: our game management, Our processes towards the end are just

665
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 10: obviously not where they need to be, and I think

666
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 10: if they were, they'd have maybe four more wins if

667
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 10: they're being greedy, but at least two or three. And

668
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 10: so I think it's more about overall management of games,

669
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 10: decision making more of that than it is the pure

670
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 10: x's and o's the development of the quarterback. So I

671
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 10: think that was probably the final straw. And of course

672
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 10: the field goal was a big storyline. We covered it

673
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 10: at length. That's a larger story going on all across

674
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 10: the league. It kind of played itself out, as you know,

675
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 10: in a moment there in the fourth quarter of the

676
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 10: Giants game, kicking from goal to go. I would never

677
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 10: kick a field goal goal to go unless it was

678
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 10: to literally win the game. But that's a longer conversation

679
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 10: with the new kickoff rules and field position and strategy,

680
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 10: but it's hard to say it came down to one decision.

681
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 4: I think that was a factor in it.

682
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 10: I really just think it was the totality of the

683
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 10: entire situation over the last couple of years, they felt

684
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 10: that there was more wins.

685
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 4: That ended up being the case.

686
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: How do you explain Caleb Williams JJ McCarthy's good on script,

687
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: bad off it. Caleb actually has been great late over

688
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: the last several weeks. How do you explain that? What

689
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: did your eyes see? Why the struggles and then all

690
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: of a sudden in the fourth quarter he does a

691
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 1: Vo Nicks. He does a Peyton manning, He's like, Okay,

692
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: I'm just going to control the game every snap.

693
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 4: He was incredible.

694
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 2: That is the bet.

695
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Speaker 10: Now, granted I haven't watched every snap of every moment

696
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 10: since he's come into the league.

697
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 4: Call it the last year and a half.

698
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 10: That was by far the best Caleb Williams performance in

699
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 10: his young career.

700
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 4: And you know, you can look at last year.

701
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 10: And you know there was a lot of chaos going

702
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 10: on and your coach is getting fired and offensive coordinator changes.

703
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 10: But if we just say, okay, this year is his

704
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 10: first year of stability, first year with Ben Johnson, this

705
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 10: is the Caleb we're going to evaluate.

706
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 4: It's not even close.

707
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Speaker 10: I mean, his ability they were historically bad last year,

708
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 10: Colin taking sacks, and part of that is his willingness

709
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 10: to play off script and his ability to extend plays,

710
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 10: and he brings a lot of the pressure on himself.

711
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 10: But this year, I mean, the Giants had him dead

712
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 10: to rights ten times. They could not get him on

713
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 10: the ground. And then the piece that came together for him,

714
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 10: especially in the fourth quarters, not only could they not

715
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 10: get him on the ground, his ability to drive the

716
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 10: ball accurately in scramble drilled downfield. I mean if his

717
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 10: receivers they had six drops by far the most of

718
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 10: the year for them.

719
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Speaker 4: I think they only had seven coming into the game.

720
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 4: Drops were an issue.

721
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 10: It was cold, it was windy, but it had no

722
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 10: impact on his ability to drive the ball beyond time. Now,

723
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 10: do you want to play off script football? Is that

724
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,879
Speaker 10: sustainable over long periods of time? No, we have seen

725
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 10: that time and time again. There has to be an

726
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 10: element of there has to be an element of rhythm,

727
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 10: there has to be an element of time. And I

728
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 10: think that's still the balance that Ben Johnson's trying to

729
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 10: bring out of Caleb. I think though, when things break

730
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 10: down in today's NFL, which is going to be often past,

731
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 10: protection is very difficult.

732
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 4: The rushers are very good. Scheme is good.

733
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Speaker 10: You have to have a quarterback that can make second,

734
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 10: second level plays, meaning it's not the initial read, it's

735
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 10: not the initial timing. I got a playoff script. He

736
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 10: can do that as well as anyone. As they continue

737
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,720
Speaker 10: to get him into more of the on time rhythm

738
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 10: component of Ben Johnson's drop that game, if that continues

739
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,919
Speaker 10: to develop, That's what Chicago thought they were drafting last year.

740
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: So I felt like watching Green Bay and Philadelphia. I

741
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: was watching kind of the same thing. Is that both

742
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks when they had elite rushing games last year,

743
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: were really excellent. But they're not Mahomes or Lamar or Allen.

744
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: Is that if you take the running game away from both,

745
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: they're good, but you see the holes. So I could

746
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: blame Laflor, I could blame the injuries green Bay. To me,

747
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: their inability to run the ball puts more pressure, more

748
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: throws on Jordan and I think he's a really good quarterback.

749
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,919
Speaker 1: But in my life, Greg, there's been about five quarterbacks

750
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: that Joe Burrow can get to the super Bowl with

751
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: an atrocious old line that can win games like Justin

752
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 1: Herbert without a run game or as tackles. That's very unique.

753
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: There's five or six guys in the planet. And I

754
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: think Hurts and Love are good, but the run games

755
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: for both have disappeared, and that means more on them.

756
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: That's my view, and that that's maybe not what they are.

757
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't explain Green Bay's offense outside of that.

758
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:40,240
Speaker 1: What do you see?

759
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 10: Yeah, I had the green Bay game, so I saw

760
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 10: him two weeks ago in the home loss in Lambeau

761
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 10: to the Panthers, which yep, you know, they only scored

762
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 10: thirteen points, So they've scored twenty points in the last

763
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 10: two games. With going into the Panther game watching Jordan

764
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 10: Love this year, just the eye test and then diving

765
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 10: into some of the more metric drink than analysis of

766
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 10: just evaluating quarterbacks, you know, looking past pass protection, looking

767
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 10: past opened routes by scheme, but there's a lot of

768
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 10: ways to really like determine how much of this is

769
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 10: quarterback driven and how much of this is scheme and

770
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 10: environment driven by all metrics, film and advanced study. Going

771
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 10: into that Panthers game, I thought, I thought Jordan Love

772
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 10: was a top five quarterback in the league this season

773
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 10: through at the time it was seven or eight games,

774
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 10: I thought he was playing as well as anybody across

775
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 10: the league. And then what we've seen in the last

776
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 10: two weeks is you mentioned the run game, and I

777
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 10: think there's two There's two components to that conversation, right,

778
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,720
Speaker 10: there's a lot to be discussed about run game value

779
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 10: and importance. Run game matters. Let's right, it does matter

780
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 10: if you are Jonathan Taylor and Saquon Barkley. Last year,

781
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 10: where they're ripping off these large, chunk, explosive plays and

782
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 10: they're running for fifty yard touchdowns and forty yard touchdowns.

783
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 4: You think back to Saquon and the playoffs last.

784
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 10: Year through their Super Bowl victory, like, yes, the run

785
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 10: game was so valuable because those forty to fifty yard

786
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 10: touchdowns he's running for are better than any pass play.

787
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 4: But that is so hard to rely on.

788
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 10: Very few teams have a back in a system that

789
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 10: can generate those plays. So all of a sudden you

790
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 10: start saying, Okay, what is the value of the run game?

791
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 10: We saw both teams last night really commit to staying

792
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 10: true to the run because the score allowed them. But

793
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 10: then you look up at the scoreboard and it's three

794
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 10: to nothing at the end of the first half. So

795
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 10: at the end of the day, in the regular season,

796
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 10: scoring points is directly tied to passing game and explosive

797
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 10: run game. If you don't do those two things, you

798
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 10: are not going to score. You might have good time

799
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 10: of possession, you might run for a lot of total

800
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 10: gross yards, you are not going to score points in

801
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 10: the regular season, which is an offensive driven time of year. Now,

802
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 10: postseason run games more valuable. Defense is more valuable because

803
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 10: we've gotten rid of all the bad teams. All the

804
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 10: bad teams are home sitting on the couch. It's now

805
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 10: just good versus good. Just what offenses can throw and

806
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 10: score a lot of points. There's more value to it.

807
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 10: So I think they've got to get back to putting

808
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 10: the ball in Jordan Love's hand on first and second down,

809
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 10: not being in second and eight, because every first down

810
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 10: is a run. Continue to push the ball downfield, continue

811
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 10: to give his guys chances like that run game will

812
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 10: get better the more aggressive they are with their early

813
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 10: down passing game. I think everyone always wants to look

814
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 10: at it the other way, like We're gonna run them

815
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 10: into run defenses and then I'm gonna throw the ball

816
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 10: over their head, when in reality, the more I fear

817
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 10: your passing game, the more favorable situations both personnel. You're

818
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 10: gonna play a lot of nickel against me, a lot

819
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 10: of little bodies on the field, I'll run at that

820
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 10: and light boxes.

821
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 4: All of a sudden, Now my passing game leads to

822
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 4: my run game getting better, and it's typically not the

823
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 4: other way around. Most of the time.

824
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 1: Seahawks rams that is that's an assignment, that is gonna

825
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: be wild. Seattle has been a bit more reckless than

826
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: the Rams. Rams are young on defense, not on offense.

827
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: The Seahawks are young everywhere. Go to your youngest team,

828
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: Green Bay's young and they're inconsistent. Do you worry about

829
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: in the end with Seattle is you know? You got Stafford,

830
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: and you got haven Steinwright tackle, and you got Davonte.

831
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: There's a lot of beards. There's a lot of old

832
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: guys in this league. Seattle is kids in JSN, and

833
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: Darnold's still relatively young, and their best offensive lineman's a

834
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: rookie and their corners are young. How do you view

835
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: the game in Seattle's youth? Because I think Seattle is

836
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: stunning a lot of people. We all knew the Rams

837
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 1: would be fine. I don't think most people thought the

838
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: Seahawks could arguably the best be the best team in

839
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 1: the league.

840
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, first off, we're beyond excited.

841
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 10: We've been thinking about this game since they gave us

842
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 10: the matchup a week or two ago. I think it's

843
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 10: the best matchup of the year. Now, how does the

844
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 10: game play out and how does it live up? Nobody knows,

845
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 10: but I would make the argument these are two of

846
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 10: the top three teams at worst, I could probably make

847
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,959
Speaker 10: a really strong argument it's one in two in any

848
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 10: particular order. I think they're so good on both sides

849
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 10: of the ball. I think your point about Seattle's youth

850
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 10: is real, But on some of the best teams that

851
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 10: I've been on, there is kind of like a ignorance's

852
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 10: blist to youth where they're young, they're energetic, they're athletic,

853
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 10: they're living, and they're loving every moment of this, where

854
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 10: like they almost don't even realize how hard what they're

855
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 10: doing is. They don't realize how hard it is to

856
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 10: win at this level. Like all they know is success,

857
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 10: all they know is winning because they haven't been in

858
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 10: the league long enough to have those scars. There's a

859
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 10: power to that, right, there's a beauty to that where

860
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,720
Speaker 10: we don't have to undo any of these bad habits,

861
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 10: We don't need to undo any of these bad moments

862
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 10: because you played on another bad team, you know, five

863
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 10: years ago.

864
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 4: So I think they are young. I think they're extremely talented.

865
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 10: They've got a lot of star young players at multiple

866
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 10: positions on both sides of the field. And I Donald McDonald,

867
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 10: I give him a lot of credit after one year

868
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 10: of being a head coach. He took a look at

869
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 10: his offense last year and said, you know what, this

870
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 10: is not where we want to be and gino it

871
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 10: did not play bad by any stretch of the imagination.

872
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 10: And as an organization with which Snider and then they said,

873
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 10: you know what, we need to change of pace offensively.

874
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 10: They go out and they get Kubiak from New Orleans,

875
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 10: who took the league by storm as a play caller

876
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 10: early the year, kind of fizzled when he lost Derek Carr.

877
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 10: They saw through that. They said, his vision of offense

878
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 10: is what we want to be here. We want to

879
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 10: be under center, we want to be play action, we

880
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 10: want to be explosive passing game. They get in a

881
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 10: lot of those big bodies. They put you in base

882
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 10: defense to throw the ball against you. It's a really

883
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 10: popular strategy that's becoming more, you know, kind of.

884
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 4: Popular throughout the league. I love.

885
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 10: And then defensively, you know, with a defensive head coach,

886
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 10: they're always going to put their identity there. They're going

887
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 10: to play fast. Witherspoon's a stud like at DeMarcus Lawrence.

888
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 10: What a great signing that we've seen him kill people

889
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 10: for years in that it is a really fun team

890
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 10: to watch. They're good on both sides of the ball

891
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 10: and everything. I just said, if you just swapped out

892
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,439
Speaker 10: the Rams, maybe outside of some of the youth, it's

893
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 10: the exact same story. So yeah, it's it's in my mind,

894
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 10: it's the best matchup of the year with two of

895
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 10: the best three or four teams, if we're being conservative,

896
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 10: in the entire league.

897
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: Hey, when you were in Chicago or Carolina, I don't

898
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: have the exact years, but Stafford was in the league.

899
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: He was losing a lot of games in Detroit. So

900
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: when you you had Cam and again Detroit wasn't talked about.

901
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 1: But as a tight end and as a guy who

902
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: really studies and thinks the game, did you know Stafford

903
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: was this good? Like they was losing, but were you down?

904
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: I don't know. If you were Chicago Carolina could have

905
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 1: been both and you had Aaron Rodgers dominating the division,

906
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: and you had Brady and you had Manning and all

907
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: these guys. And there was that guy up in Detroit

908
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: and he was young and he was out of Georgia.

909
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 1: Did you ever think he'd be this?

910
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 10: I'll tell you know what's so funny about the quarterback position,

911
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 10: and we still do it today. We do it all

912
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,720
Speaker 10: the time on both ends of the spectrum. We assume

913
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 10: quarterbacks on bad teams are bad, and we assume that

914
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 10: good quarter that quarterbacks on good teams are good. So

915
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 10: we probably give quarterbacks too much of the credit at times,

916
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 10: and we probably give them too much of the blame

917
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 10: at times when oftentimes, outside of the few extremes, it's

918
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 10: probably a combination of team environment, coaching, and player all

919
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 10: thrown into the pot.

920
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 4: And mixed up.

921
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 10: So, I mean, you look back at some of the

922
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,479
Speaker 10: years he had with Calvin Johnson, and yes, they lost

923
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 10: a lot of games, and it was not you know,

924
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 10: it was not the Detroit Lions organization that we know

925
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 10: now under Dan Campbell. It was he was always so talented,

926
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 10: the armed what we'd see, he put up big numbers. Now,

927
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 10: granted a lot of that was in playing from behind

928
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 10: and chasing points.

929
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 4: But I think anybody.

930
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 10: Who watched football probably could could do a good job

931
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 10: separating the out come wins and losses and watch Stafford

932
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 10: play and say, I know chaos is ensuing around him.

933
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 4: I know this is dysfunction.

934
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 10: I know there's coaching turnover and losses are out of

935
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 10: high like, but this dude can flat out play and

936
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 10: then obviously we know what's happened. He gets put with

937
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 10: artably the best coach in the league. You know, mcveigh's

938
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 10: probably tough. You know, he's one or two I don't

939
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 10: know who you'd pick over him, and he gets put

940
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 10: into that environment. They have immediate success, of course, win

941
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 10: in the Super Bowl, but then they experienced some lows.

942
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 10: He went back. Now where can the Rams figured out?

943
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 10: What's his future?

944
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 4: Is he going to go? Is they going to trade

945
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 4: him to somewhere else?

946
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 10: Is they going to retire like they went through some

947
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 10: down years following that Super Bowl, where I'm sure a

948
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 10: lot of that experience from Stafford paid dividends. You know,

949
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 10: he had been in that chaos before. And now obviously

950
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 10: they're riding it up. They've drafted incredibly well, They've got

951
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 10: really talented on the on the defensive side of the

952
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 10: ball through the draft, and Stafford at you know, thirty

953
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 10: eight years old or whatever he is. I mean, he's

954
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 10: probably be the MVP of the league. It's him and

955
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 10: Drake May if the season ended today. In pretty remarkable

956
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 10: journey for a guy whose talent leadership. Everybody do you

957
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 10: know that has played with Stafford, whether they won one

958
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 10: game or they.

959
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 4: Won the Super Bowl. Every teammate and coach loves him.

960
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, they do. And he's a pro. He puts in

961
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 1: the time in the film room. I've seen specials on him.

962
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: He's a you know, he's a total pros pro. He's

963
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: a grinder. Greg Olsen, boy, I don't get jealous much.

964
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 1: Seahawks rams that that is a unbelievable matchup of just

965
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 1: two stacked rosters and go crush it. Thanks man, appreciate you.

966
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 2: Good seeing one more heard. The Herd streams twenty four

967
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,000
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968
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,840
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969
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: Chase Daniel was talking the other day on a podcast

970
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: and he knows the Sean Payton Saints Denver system very

971
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: well offensively, and he said when he watches Bone Nicks,

972
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: he sees somebody that just doesn't he's not seeing it.

973
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: He's not seeing the stuff that's open. But it's interesting.

974
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: Everybody's good at spending somebody else's money. But if you

975
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: were a GM, and this is what gms go through.

976
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: I mean, Cleveland sat down in a room and said,

977
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: Baker's driving us crazy. We know he's talented, we're going

978
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: to let him go. They probably regret it now, Minnesota,

979
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: you know, do we keep Sam, we pay him this,

980
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: we let him go, Minnesota regrets it. So Stefanski's really smart,

981
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell's really smart. And they let go of Baker

982
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: Mayfield and Sam Darnold and now they're Pro Bowl level quarterbacks.

983
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 1: The stuff is hard. It's easy when you get somebody

984
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: on a discount, throwing a rookie contract, you know, or

985
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,479
Speaker 1: you're spending somebody else's money. But if I said, you're

986
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: the general manager and knowing that, the minute you pay

987
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: a quarterback big money, the roster will not look the same. Like,

988
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,240
Speaker 1: for instance, if you paid Caleb Williams two and ninety

989
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: million dollars today, new contract. We gotta let Dj Moore go.

990
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: We gotta let Joe Tuny go. We can't pay for

991
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: all of it, can't can't get you, gotta let now.

992
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 1: I got Roma Dunza, and I'll still have Drew Dolman

993
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: and Jonah Jackson. I probably gotta let Joe Tuney go.

994
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: Kansas City had to let Joe Tuny go with protecting mahomes.

995
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: They had to let him go guard Okay. So all

996
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: these things considered, here are the quarterbacks in the NFL

997
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: twenty five and under. There's eleven. Okay. So if I

998
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: said you have until the end of the business day

999
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 1: today to make a decision two hundred and ninety three

1000
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars contract, half of it guaranteed, who are

1001
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: the three you would take? The easy one is Drake May.

1002
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: Drake May wasn't great last year. He was lousy in

1003
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 1: the opener against the Raiders, but the last eight nine

1004
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: weeks that's a franchise quarterback. Drake May's the easy one.

1005
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: You need three total. The next two I would take

1006
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: our CJ. Stroud, who's hurt again, and his passer rating

1007
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 1: the last two years is eighty nine eight great, not

1008
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 1: really a starter, eighty nine. And the next I would

1009
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 1: take his Kleb and his two years in the NFL

1010
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: year and a half, his passer rating hovers around ninety

1011
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: not great, okay. So and even with Ben Johnson it's

1012
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: like ninety two and a half. That's not great. I'd

1013
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: like upper nineties. Okay. So the three twenty five and under,

1014
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 1: and for our radio audience, I'll read you the quarterbacks.

1015
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels, Okay, I can't. He's hurt for the fourth

1016
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: time a year and a half in Jackson Dart lives

1017
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: in the blue tent. JJ McCarthy obvious reasons. Michael Pennix

1018
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:02,399
Speaker 1: junior hurt in college. Looks really really disappointing so far.

1019
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: Brought Perty Small hurt again. Mag Jones went thirty three

1020
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: at thirty nine last weekend. Has has brought every done

1021
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: that We're just asking, uh, cam Ward, who knows Bryce

1022
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: Young probably not going to extend him. So you start

1023
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: looking at all these My three one with no hesitation

1024
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: as Drake may the next two.

1025
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 2: CJ.

1026
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: Stroud has a couple of playoff wins, hurt again, ninety

1027
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:36,919
Speaker 1: passer rating last two years. I would resign him and

1028
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: Caleb because I think with Ben we're getting a truer

1029
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: version of himself and it's about a ninety two passer rating.

1030
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: But everybody bangs on bon Nicks. Let me remind you

1031
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: of Bonnicks. Two things I want to remind you of.

1032
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: In the fourth quarter this season, he's basically number one

1033
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: at everything, first downs, game winning drives total touchdowns, second yards,

1034
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: really good in the fourth quarter for the record. So

1035
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 1: it is Caleb. The second thing is he's durable. He

1036
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 1: never gets hurt. Go look at that list again. Jackson

1037
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: Dart hurt, Jaydon Daniels hurt, Bryce Young hurt, CJ Strout hurt.

1038
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: Everybody's hurt. Everybody's banged up. BONICKX and Caleb Williams and

1039
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: Drake May they don't get hurt. Sean Payton this week

1040
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: on Bonnicks and speeding up his game. Internally, I think

1041
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: it's a plus and a minus.

1042
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 7: I've said that before. I think one of his great

1043
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 7: strengths has not taken sacks, and so the clock in

1044
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 7: his head relative to that sense of urgency, So I

1045
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 7: think there is a fine line. I think that's a

1046
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 7: much easier problem to correct than the latter, which is

1047
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 7: taking the sacks, and historically speaking, it's proven to be

1048
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 7: much more difficult to fix.

1049
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's probably letting go of the ball a

1050
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: step early, not a step late. He's playing a little fast,

1051
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:07,720
Speaker 1: a little frenetic. But you I'm always amazed by people

1052
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,919
Speaker 1: that overlook durability. How many times is Brock Purdy gonna

1053
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: be hurt. How many times is Jackson Dark gonna go

1054
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: to the blue tenth? BONICKX never gets hurt, Caleb Williams

1055
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 1: never gets hurt. I need my guys there. So, like

1056
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 1: I said this about mac Jones, Mac Jones, I don't

1057
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:29,879
Speaker 1: see a lot of injuries. Brock Purdy hurt again all

1058
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: the time. I don't know how you can overlook that.

1059
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: Cam Ward, it's almost unfair to put him in there.

1060
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: He has no support. He could be really good eventually.

1061
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: But if I said, you got to pick three guys

1062
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,879
Speaker 1: and you gonna write the check, knowing when you write

1063
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 1: the check, you gotta let people go. Now, Drake May,

1064
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: you can sign that check. They're not paying anybody, so

1065
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,760
Speaker 1: they wouldn't have to let people go. Travon Henderson rookie,

1066
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: Kyle Williams receiver, rookie, So they're in a good space.

1067
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 1: Will Campbell left can't tackle rookie. They're in a really

1068
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 1: good space. But Caleb, if you sign him, or CJ.

1069
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: Stroud if you sign him, you gotta let people go.

1070
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 1: So bow knicks, everybody's banging on bow knicks. Durable wins

1071
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,919
Speaker 1: games great in the fourth quarter. What is Caleb this year?

1072
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 1: Durable wins games great in the fourth quarter. I'm sorry

1073
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: for me.

1074
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 4: I'm into that.

1075
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: I've worked with people in this industry that are really talented,

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Speaker 1: they're just not dependable. High and low don't get them

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Speaker 1: every day. We talked about masonry. So I don't know.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to like bow Knicks and how it looks.

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00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: He's the best fourth quarterback in the league right now.

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00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: He's never hurt and he wins games. He's eighteen and

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00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: nine in a division with Mahomes and Herbert and Harbaugh, Spags,

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid.

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Speaker 2: J Mack.

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Speaker 1: I know that's a very disappointing segment for you.

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Speaker 6: This is an awesome say, and I love this idea.

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00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,879
Speaker 6: So I'm going to break it down for you where

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00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 6: I agree and disagree. So I think let's process of

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00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,800
Speaker 6: elimination right off the bat. You can eliminate three guys

1089
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 6: they're not in the mix. Pryce Young out, Michael Pennix out,

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Speaker 6: bow Knicks out those three guys, and you.

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Speaker 1: And I don't agree on that. I like the durable

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Speaker 1: guy that wins the games.

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00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 6: Well again, you know we have two years worth of

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00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 6: data and his numbers are not good at all. Yes,

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00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 6: he has been able to Finagle some wins with Sean Payton,

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Speaker 6: beat a lot of bad teams, but I would eliminate

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00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 6: bo Nicks. Not enough data so far, Kim Ward, I

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00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 6: don't think you can make a decision. Jackson Dart, I

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00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 6: know we love him, but can't make a decision. And

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Speaker 6: JJ McCarthy, you cannot. You just he's had four starts, okay,

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Speaker 6: So that leaves five guys for do you want.

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Speaker 5: Two or three spots?

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00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:43,800
Speaker 1: Three spots?

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Speaker 5: Okay? Drake May I.

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00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 6: Think you're right based on the two years we've seen.

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00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 6: I think he's in. I do believe you're missing on

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Speaker 6: Brock Purty. And why is that, Colin? Because he's played

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Speaker 6: more than all these guys. Brock Purdy has played way

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00:55:56,160 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 6: more games than Caleb Williams. He has more wins, but

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00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,760
Speaker 6: you love obviously more touchdown more games. He had two

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00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 6: game winning drives in the postseason two years ago.

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Speaker 5: I know Caleb has four this year. Whoa Rock Purdy

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00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 5: has two in the playoffs. Okay.

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00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 6: Purdy has as yards per attempt or eight point eight

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00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 6: in his career.

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00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 5: Caleb Williams only six point eight.

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00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 6: Lot of dink and dunk, So I think Rock purtys

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00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 6: a lock I think.

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00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 5: Brock Purty is after Drake.

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Speaker 6: May and then you go between Caleb Stroud and date

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Speaker 6: Jayden Daniels, and Caleb has looked good.

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00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 5: But con do you think you're being a little emotional?

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Speaker 5: You now moved to Chicago. Caleb's on a heater.

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Speaker 1: If I told you you'd never seen anybody play, I said,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you this significantly better athlete who never

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00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: gets hurt.

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00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,760
Speaker 6: Well, no, he doesn't never get hurt. He just hasn't

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Speaker 6: been hurt. I mean he's played like twenty five games

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Speaker 6: or something.

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Speaker 1: Caleb didn't get hurt last year. He didn't get hurt

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00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: in college, he didn't get hurt in high school. He's

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00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 1: not hurt this year. If I told you did it

1133
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 1: with Brock Purty and Caleb Williams, you'd never seen him play,

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00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 1: I said, one guy, Hey, much better arm, also significantly

1135
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: more athletic and way more durable. Not a GM in

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00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:09,720
Speaker 1: the league that would take brock per Yes. Now here's

1137
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 1: the big thing with Caleb. So last year he didn't

1138
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 1: look good at all. Numbers were horrible, body language terrible.

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00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: Let's stop. Let's talk twenty touchdowns, six picks and a

1140
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: passer rating close to ninety.

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00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 6: It wasn't well those are three numbers. There's a billion

1142
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 6: numbers that go into the equation. But he changed coaches

1143
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 6: and upgraded to Ben Johnson. So now he has basically

1144
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 6: brock Purty has Skyle Shanahan and Caleb has Ben Johnson.

1145
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 6: And brock Perty's data compared to Caleb's so far is

1146
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 6: night and day.

1147
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 5: Rock Purdy's been the better quarterback by almost every metric.

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Speaker 1: When he has more starts, and he has a veteran coach,

1149
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: and he has Christian McCaffrey as McCaffery, and he's heard

1150
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 1: all the time, and he's hurt again. And mac Jones

1151
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: just put up a Sunday better than any brock Purty

1152
00:57:57,840 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 1: ever did from the pocket.

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00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 6: I mean, Tyson Bagent filled in last year and was

1154
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 6: like capable, Remember he had a starter or too low.

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Speaker 1: I think nobody, nobody thinks I know Tyson Bagent is

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00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 1: Caleb mac Jones last week. That's a better that's a

1157
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 1: better Sunday in the pocket than brock Perty never had

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00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: thirty three to thirty nine with backups.

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Speaker 5: Just by the completion forcents.

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Speaker 6: Listen, I get it, you're out on pretty He had

1161
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 6: the shoulder injury in the playoffs and then the toe

1162
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 6: thing this year. I mean, if he's injury prone, I

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00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 6: don't know what Joe that makes Joe Burrow injuries happened though,

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00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 6: I mean, come on, Jayden Daniels, flukey putting his arm

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00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 6: down hyper extended.

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00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: Mahomes is never hurt, and Josh Allen's not hurt, and

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00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 1: Caleb's not hurt, and bo Nix isn't hurt, and Eli

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00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: Manning didn't get hurt. And I mean the truth is,

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00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: most of Aaron Rodgers' career he didn't get hurt, most

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Speaker 1: of Brady's he didn't get hurt. And I think some

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00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 1: guys are just brittle and small. By the way, too

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00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: is hurt, and then Kyler gets banged up, and Bryce

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00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: Young is hurt, and brock Perty's not big as well.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's just coincidence. Like I don't, I

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00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: think it's coincidence. The Jags have all these great picks

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00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 1: and none of them pan out, and yet, and yet

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Speaker 1: Mike Brabel gets his top picks this year, his top

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00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: three picks, they all work out. I don't think that's

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's osmosis happenstance, smart people, bigger, stronger,

1180
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,439
Speaker 1: durable athletes over time is who I'm with. I've always

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00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 1: told you that before. I like traits and trunky and thick,

1182
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 1: and I like all that stuff. That stuff matters to me.

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00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: If you're a little small, a little thin, you become

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00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels. You know.

1185
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

1186
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 2: and Noone Eastern non am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

1187
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,440
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Speaker 8: App Let's Blaze it Up Up It's Collins blazon, fuck

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00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 8: Buccingeers and Bills.

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Speaker 1: I like Buffalo at home minus five and a half

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00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 1: from one hundred degrees in Miami counting humidity. Now they

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00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: get a warm weather team up in Buffalo, where the

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01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 1: weathers forty and windy. They are the number one rushing

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01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:08,439
Speaker 1: offense that matters in bad weather. Outgained opponents in three

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Speaker 1: straight games. In their last five wins, they've won by

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Speaker 1: at least a touchdowns. When Buffalo wins, they tend to

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01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: play down hail and win big Tampa. Bucky Irving not

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01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 1: playing Mike Evans, not playing Chris Godwin, probably not playing

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Speaker 1: Their offense is dried up in Tampa out gained in

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01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 1: five straight games. They're averaging eighteen points. Are the Bucks

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01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: in their last three? They're two beat up. They're asking

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01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: too much of Baker Mayfield. I like the Bills to

1203
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: win an ugly weather thirty to twenty.

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01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 2: Three and cover Seahawks and Rams.

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Speaker 1: Wise, guys may not agree with me. I'll take Seattle

1206
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: plus three ten straight road wins, so that's not an issue.

1207
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: Tied for the fewest sacks allowed and the second most sacks.

1208
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:54,919
Speaker 1: That's very Denver like. It's easy to win games when

1209
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 1: your quarterback is the more comfortable, averaging six and a

1210
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: half yards a play, so they extend drives, keep Sam

1211
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 1: Darnold JSN on the field, and not a small note,

1212
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: great special teams number one PFF. That matters because the

1213
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: Rams special teams have been wonky all season. Also, the

1214
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 1: Rams three of their four wins have been against backups.

1215
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 1: On this winning streak, they're a little overvalue to me.

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01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 1: This is a Pickham game. I like Seattle getting a

1217
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: field goal. Keep your eye on special team's edge for

1218
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 1: the Hawks. Twenty eight twenty seven Seattle wins outright.

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01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 2: Forty nine Ers and Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: Ah brock Perty's playing I like the Niners minus two

1221
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 1: and a half. They're coming off their worst loss of

1222
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 1: the season. They will be in a bad move. Brock Purty,

1223
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 1: of all the teams he's ever played, has owned Arizona.

1224
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 1: The Cardinals have lost six of seven. James Connor Marvin

1225
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 1: Harrison out so they don't have most of their weapons.

1226
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 1: They've been outscored badly in the fourth quarter. They don't

1227
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 1: have much to begin with. I know j Mack loved

1228
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: him in the preseason, but they got no juice, no energy,

1229
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: and they're missing stars. They do not get to the quarterback.

1230
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 1: Ninerszero line has been better than I've given it credit for.

1231
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: Rock thirty has time to throw. His team's getting healthier.

1232
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: Niners win and they cover twenty eight to twenty three.

1233
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 2: Ravens and Browns.

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01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 1: I like the Browns plus eight and a half. Have

1235
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 1: not lost by more than one score at home against

1236
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 1: the division opponent since twenty twenty three. They always played

1237
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 1: tough at home against their division. Dylan Gabriel has been stabilized,

1238
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 1: no interceptions in four of his five starts, multiple touchdowns

1239
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: in the last couple. He's been stabilized by a great coach,

1240
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 1: and he's getting that rookie running back quinch On Judkins

1241
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: is now on fire and in a groove, so they

1242
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: can do some ball control in cold weather. The Ravens

1243
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: third straight road game. Play a lot close games against

1244
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 1: divisional opponents, and the outther thing is that defense on

1245
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 1: the road is not very good for Baltimore. It's not

1246
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: the same. It's much better at home. I think Baltimore

1247
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 1: wins eight and a half way way too many points. Ugly,

1248
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 1: low scoring game. Third straight road game for the Ravens,

1249
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 1: a little fatigue, twenty four to twenty. Take the points.

1250
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 2: Lions at Eagles.

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01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:28,919
Speaker 1: I like Philadelphia. They're a step up team. They're four

1252
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 1: to one this year against teams with winning records. They

1253
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 1: often play better in the bigger games. Packers, Bucks, Chiefs,

1254
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 1: Rams beat them all. Their offense never turns it over.

1255
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: Four giveaways all season. They don't beat themselves, and they're

1256
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 1: great in the red zone. Nobody's better, not even the Chiefs.

1257
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: So if they can move the ball, and I think

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01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 1: they will, they will score in the red zone. The

1259
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 1: Lions defense on the road not the same. Jared Goff

1260
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: playing under fifty degrees, everything moves down. Regression takes place.

1261
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 1: The Nationals banged up Sam Laporte's banged up Detroit cold

1262
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 1: weather worries me, and I think Philadelphia knows what they are.

1263
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna win this game and cover twenty

1264
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 1: eight to twenty four. Two of the best rosters in

1265
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 1: the NFL. So I like a clear dog in the

1266
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns, but I like favored Buffalo favored forty nine Ers,

1267
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 1: favored Eagles. Seahawks rams line doesn't make a lot of

1268
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 1: sense to me that that should be a pick them

1269
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,439
Speaker 1: to one point. Now that Seattle gets a field goal,

1270
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 1: I really like him. Again, keep your eye on special

1271
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 1: teams because the Seahawks have been excellent in the rams.

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01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 1: I think they're using now another kicker.