WEBVTT - The Mark Moss Show Mar 11, 2022 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:03.000 Hey, everyone, welcome back to another episode of the Markma 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:07.720 Show where we talk about politics, finance, technology. We talked 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:10.760 about the decentralized revolution. Of course we're talking about bitcoin. 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:15.120 I'm joined in the studio today by Dennis Porter. He's 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:18.040 a political advocate. He's the host of the podcast called 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:21.520 Smart People Beep. I can't say that because we're on radio. 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:24.360 I think you can fill in the blank there. Um. Anyway, 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:26.920 you can find them on Twitter at Dennis Underscore Porter 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:29.880 Underscore A little bit tough anyway, Dennis, thanks so much 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:32.159 for joining me in the studio today. Pumped to be 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:34.720 here with you, Mark, Um, I'm ready to get into 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:39.400 it today. Nice. Nice. You know, Um, you know, the 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:42.240 decentralized Revolution. I talk a lot about how technology changes 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:43.960 the world. It changes the way that we communicate, change 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:45.920 the way that we organized, and so that's what really, 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:47.519 you know, creates all these shifts as you go back 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:50.480 through thousands of years of history. Um, and this decentralized 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:52.599 revolution is a big piece of it. You know. Bitcoin 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:58.320 is like a thread that weaves through every area of society, 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:01.000 and so for each of us a kind of attaches 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:04.240 to us a little bit differently. For myself, it's kind 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:08.120 of like the historical narrative side of monetary um and 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:10.000 it's and it's and it's like politics. So I kind 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:11.880 of like the politics and the and the history side 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:13.959 UM and so that's what I tend to talk about 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:17.200 in regards to bitcoin and UM. You two. It seems like, right, 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:18.800 you're you like to kind of focus on it from 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:22.120 like the political side. Yeah. Absolutely. When I first jumped in, 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:24.040 you know, I think I got into it for the 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:26.720 you know, fix the money, fixed the world aspect, like 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:28.680 we all did, you know, number go up was great, 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:31.920 But eventually I started to really hyper focus on the 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:34.920 impact that bitcoin would have politically across the United States 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:37.640 and across the globe. I have a small background in politics, 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:39.360 so you know, I've helped I was trained as a 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:42.679 campaign manager. I ran several campaigns, did some behind the 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:45.920 scenes work, UM did some opposites and research. Helped four 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:49.000 candidates win their primaries. Hoping to get my fifth this 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:51.520 year as well, to be five for five. But I 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:55.360 just really see that the United States could significantly benefit 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:59.080 from a more popular bitcoin approach from the political spectrum. 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:01.200 So just fighting every day to make sure that we 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:03.080 are part of the future instead of the past when 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:06.120 it comes to bitcoin in America. Yeah, I know, you 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:08.200 and I we traded quite a few messages on Twitter, 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:10.680 like a week ago or whatever talking about that, and 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:13.720 I think I made the statement that it's, uh, it's 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:16.640 really anti I see it as like, uh, some people 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:21.480 call it a political, almost calling it like anti political. Um, 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:23.760 it's neutral. I mean it's a it's a protocol. Right. 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:26.320 It's like saying, like a screw driver's political. Right. If 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:28.200 I stabbed the right wing person, then it's a left 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:29.840 wing tool, and if I stabbed the left wing person 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:31.600 as the right wing tool. Um, I look at it 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:34.520 as a political anti political. Uh. You don't necessarily agree 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:37.320 with that kind of give me your your thought process 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:40.720 on that to this. You know, in some ways we agree, Mark, 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:43.880 I really agree with this idea that bitcoin is a 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:46.520 political I don't think it has sides. I don't think 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:50.000 it associates with one party in particular. I'm more so 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:52.880 see it as a tool. But as a tool, we're 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:56.520 going to see it have massive implications or massive a 0:02:56.560 --> 0:03:00.080 massive impact on politics. We can already see the way 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:02.440 that it's impacting the mid terms, and I think it 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:04.480 will go on to continue to be a major issue 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:07.640 in American politics today. I think that, you know, essentially, 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:10.360 what's the point of bitcoin, right, destroying the money printer 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:12.239 and giving it back to the people, that's a very 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:15.520 political movement. So I just see bitcoin, although it is 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:18.720 very a political that it will have a massive ramification 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:20.960 on the way that politics is done, not only here 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:23.560 but across the world. And you know, people try oftentimes 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:25.280 get mad at me, right, like, you know, stay away 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:27.480 from politics. We don't need to be involved in government. 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:29.760 But I want to make sure that my country, the 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:32.920 United States, moves forward. I want to be forward on 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:34.680 this issue. And in order for us to do that 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:37.320 in the next five to ten years, we're gonna have 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:39.120 to be friends with legislators, We're gonna have to be 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:42.360 friends with policymakers. And I want to make sure that 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:44.360 the United States is in a position to benefit from 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:47.640 this technology and benefit from the move of the miners 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:50.720 leaving China and coming to America. If we aren't careful, 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:53.000 we could end up in a situation where we end 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:55.640 up banning bitcoin mining or banning bitcoin, and that would 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:57.760 make us a lot more like the CCP, and I 0:03:57.800 --> 0:04:00.880 personally want to be a lot more like elsavad or. Yeah, 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:02.640 I certainly don't want to be like the CCP, that's 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:04.800 for sure. You know. The one thing I think about, though, 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:09.600 like in in that is that, Um, first off, today 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:12.520 we've seen this situation where like freedom now is like 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:17.000 some fringe right wing ideal, right like freedom like to me. 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:19.320 So I guess I guess some of it's like semantics 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:20.640 or the way that you look at things like I 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:24.479 don't look at freedom as like political ideology, like it's 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:27.720 just freedom right like Um, so I guess when when 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:29.760 you think about it in terms of like bitcoin and 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:34.320 bitcoin gives me freedom to transact. Um, I guess freedom 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:37.080 today seems like a right wing ideology, but um, I 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:38.359 don't see it that way. So I guess some of 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:40.120 it is that. But then also back to just even 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:43.320 more political um you know, I know as you've been 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:45.920 diving into the political side more, um, you do have 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:47.800 It was what really kind of sparked that off, I 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:50.640 think was Ted Cruz was talking about, um, how the 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:52.640 liberals want to take away and he I guess he 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:54.160 kind of made that statement and kind of pitted the 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:56.000 two against each other, right where the liberals want to 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:58.040 censor you and tell you what you can do. Bitcoin 0:04:58.080 --> 0:04:59.760 gives you the opportunity get around that. So that's now 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:01.880 it's right wing, right, But then you have I know, 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:03.640 you've been working with like Erica Rhodes and she's a 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:07.000 Democrat and she's running on bitcoin. So uh, from that standpoint, 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:10.520 then it is a political I guess yeah. But I 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:13.039 like Ted Cruz and I like that he's been forward 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:14.479 in the sense that I like that he's been forward 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:16.640 on the issue of bitcoin. I think he has been 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.400 one of the strongest advocates recently, and he's done a 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:21.240 great job of speaking about it. There was just that 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:24.000 one line, you know, you know, the left doesn't like 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:27.480 bitcoin because they can't control it, And I just really 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:29.200 want to make sure that we as a country and 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:31.359 we as a people stay away from that kind of 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:34.839 partisan politics around bitcoin. Um, obviously bitcoin in this sense 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:36.960 is very political, but really we've got to be careful 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:39.159 with the part is an aspect of this bit of 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:42.040 bitcoin as an issue, and the main reason why we 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:43.520 want to do that is so that we don't get 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:47.040 into a situation where one party is constantly fighting back 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:49.800 against this technology. That will result in a world where 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:52.600 fifty of the time we are fighting back as an 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:57.320 industry and as holders against bad policy, whereas if both 0:05:57.360 --> 0:06:00.120 parties were working together in tandem, that would mean that 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:04.600 we're fighting aggressively competing for better policy. Each party is 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:06.839 like trying to outdo each other, so it's a fifty 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:08.799 percent of the time fighting bad policy or a hundred 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:11.560 percent of the time competing over better policy kind of situation. 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:14.080 But yeah, I've seen a lot of Democrats getting on board. 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:18.040 There's this narrative that Republicans own bitcoin in the sense 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:20.960 that they are more in align with bitcoin than others, 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:22.720 and I just don't think that's true. There was a 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:26.239 report put out recently that six of bitcoin and digital 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:29.719 asset holders are Democrat voters. I just think that the 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:33.440 party as a whole, the actual legislators, have done a 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:35.359 better job of getting in front of this issue. But 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:37.280 mostly then my opinion, that has to do with this 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:41.640 idea that for a few reasons one, Republicans are the 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:44.120 party out of power, and the party out of power 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:47.480 is always looking for ways to change or overcome the 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:51.000 status quo, and bitcoin is an obvious way to overcome 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:53.640 the status quo. Um, and it's a way to kind 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:56.320 of give a you know, a pushback on the federal government, 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:59.520 and Republicans are naturally very anti federal government more in 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:03.119 line with its rights. But we are seeing very large 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:06.360 push from Democrats. We've seen ten Democrats, led by Darren 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:09.080 Soto and Rokana write a letter to Nancy Pelosi to say, 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:11.840 we do not agree with the cryptotax reporting Amendment and 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:14.160 we do not want this kind of legislation pushed forward 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:16.080 in this country. So yeah, working with all sorts of 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:18.520 Democrats because I think it's key that we make sure 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:22.160 that we maintain this as a bipartisan issue. Yeah, you know, 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:25.200 I was saying, I think, um back to the a 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:28.120 political versus what I've been saying is like anti political 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:32.360 in a sense where um, you know, I Alex Fetzki 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:34.200 and I just got together did a book Sprint and 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:36.760 we wrote a book which we're having a Kickstarter campaign 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:39.680 launch next week Uncommunist dot com. By the way, go 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:41.640 check that out on commist dot com. But we basically 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:45.040 took the Communist Manifesto, which is only four chapters, eight 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:47.320 thousand words, it's like a forty five minute pamphlet, and 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:50.920 we we rewrote it and we said that in that 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:55.160 book Karl Marks put the struggle between classes, the rich 0:07:55.280 --> 0:08:00.600 versus the poor. Um. Hitler put the struggle between races, right, um, 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:03.760 And we said that that's all wrong. Um. Instead of uh, 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:06.800 instead of left or right or red or blue, Democrat Republican, 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:13.000 it's individuals versus collectivists. So really it's the people versus 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:15.720 the government. And almost like politics is meant to divide 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:17.880 the people. And so what we said is that the 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:21.360 struggle is between classes or politics. The struggle is between 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:24.640 the individual and the collective is always trying to pull 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:27.840 them into groups. And so I guess that's what I 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:30.880 say when I think about like a political Um, the 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:34.160 source of the political party's power comes from that money 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:37.040 and that money printer, and uh, I believe that if 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:40.040 we take away the money printer, then we would see 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:42.760 the size of the government shrink way down. We'd see 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:45.800 the politics shrink way down. And that's why I would 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:48.199 call it like the death of politics into politics, because 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:51.320 we don't need to be partisan on these things. It's like, look, 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:54.400 we're just all individuals, um, trying to do the best 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:59.760 that we can against this state apparatus kind of a thing. Um, 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:01.840 you're just tuning in you're listening to the Mark Moss Show. 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:05.000 We're talking about if you haven't guessed it, Bitcoin. We're 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:08.320 talking about the intersection of politics, finance, and technology, which 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:10.920 of course is bitcoin, is the decentralized revolution. I'm in 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:14.439 the studio with Dennis porter Um. You can find him 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:19.480 on on Twitter at Dennis Underscore porter underscore Um. You 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:21.440 can also find him as a host of the podcast 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:24.640 Smart People Deep. You can figure that out. We're talking 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:27.000 about these topics. We have a lot more to dig into. 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:29.600 I want to talk about executive actions that are potentially coming. 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:32.079 I want to talk about what countries will adopt it next, 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:34.160 and so much more. Don't go away over you right back, 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:36.760 all right, welcome back. You're listening to the Mark mo Show. 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:40.520 We're talking about the intersection of politics, finance, and technology. 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:43.800 We're talking about the decentralized revolution that is changing the world. 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:46.440 Of course, that's bitcoin that is doing that. I'm in 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:49.479 the studio with Dennis porter and we're talking about politics 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:52.320 and UH and tech. Before the break, I was kind 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:54.120 of going on a rant and Dennis didn't get a 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:56.240 chance to reply to that, but I was talking about 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:58.920 this UH, this book on communist dot com that's Fetzky 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:00.960 and I wrote, and the strung go between the individual 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:03.120 and the and the and the collectivist or the group. 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:06.120 And so that's kind of why my view is anti political. 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:09.360 What do you think about that? You know, I would 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:13.839 say that when you're talking about bitcoin, um and it's 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:17.719 interaction with the state from the perspective that democrats might 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:20.080 not like it because or socialists might not like it 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:22.959 because you know, bitcoin kind of erodes the state or 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:25.560 pushes back on the state. I think ultimately for most 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:31.240 people there there's this over attribution that democrats love the 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:33.800 state and that they're just in love with this power 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:37.120 that they have, when I think in reality, they see 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:39.200 the state as a tool, very much like we see 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:42.080 bitcoin as a tool, and it's the you know, to them, 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:44.800 the best means possible for them to help the average 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:47.120 person and to help the individual. You and me know, 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:50.240 I think and agree that it's not necessarily really shouldn't 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:52.240 be used as a tool to help the individual ends 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:54.440 up you know, getting corrupt, having all these money problems. 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:56.160 But now all I'm talking to a lot of my 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:59.920 Democrat friends who are bitcoiners, and they see bitcoin as 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:02.440 a better tool and a real tool that can actually 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:07.920 help those individuals in you know, historically left behind communities, um, 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:12.280 disenfranchised groups. And so I think Republicans people on the right, 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:14.760 and Democrats and on the left they want to help 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:17.120 the individual they just go about it from different ways. 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:18.839 Some like to use government and the other ones you know, 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:21.520 kind of don't. Yeah, I would agree with you on that. Um. 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:23.240 I've talked to many of my friends who were on 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:25.720 the opposite side of the spectrum and we can both 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:28.480 kind of see the same problem. Um, but it's just 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:30.640 different solutions to that. So I would agree with that. 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:33.840 Now back to kind of as you were saying, it's 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:35.720 you know, more and more politics getting into it. We 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:39.079 have Republicans like Ted Cruz, and we have people Democrats 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:41.199 on the left like Erica who I had on the 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:43.680 radio show I think two weeks ago. Um, and you 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:46.760 have what what I'm seeing. And I'm curious your take 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:50.360 on this, but um, was it The mayor of a 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:52.640 New York City ran on like a pro bitcoin stance 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:55.079 and he's gonna make bitcoin capital of the World or whatever, 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:56.320 and then all of a sudden he wants to ban 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:59.120 bitcoin mining. And it's like almost like this bait and 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:02.000 switch then we had Erka on and and I love 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:03.599 what she's doing. I especially love that she wants to 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:05.480 replace Brad Sherman because I really like to see him 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:07.280 out of there. But she's running on like a pro 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:09.559 welfare stance, and it's like, how does bitcoin doesn't really 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:12.400 work with pro welfare? So like, um, I guess do 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:14.360 you see some danger? I guess I should say, do 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:17.640 you think there's some danger into these politicians co opting 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:21.160 bitcoin and then kind of do this bait and switch. Yeah. Absolutely, 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:23.120 I think that's always a danger for any sort of 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:25.760 political movement to make sure that it's not co opted 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:28.680 for me, regardless of you know, someone like Erica Rhodes, 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:31.320 whether she comes through on her promise to protect bitcoin. 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:33.440 The biggest thing that we're doing in that race is 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:35.600 making sure that we eliminate Brad Sherman and then we 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:38.440 send a message to UM those in d C that 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:40.560 we're not going to put up with guys like Brad 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:43.480 Sherman trying to attack and destroy the opportunity for the 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:46.800 America to move forward on bitcoin. So yeah, there is 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:49.960 oftentimes some things I think that people, you know, they 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:52.480 they interact with bitcoin, they like it. UM and they 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:54.439 don't understand that some of the goals that they want 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:57.079 to accomplish, some of the ends that they want to pursue, 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:00.040 really just are not an alignment with Bitcoin. And I 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:02.080 just leave that up for them to learn on their own, right, 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:04.520 because it's kind of impossible to change their minds on 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:06.800 some of those issues. Yeah, I think they will, you know, 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:09.160 um as you know, um, being in the bitcoin space, 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:11.920 like bitcoin changes you and it's you know, like once 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:13.719 you get into bitcoin, it it starts you start looking 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:15.480 at the world to dose like orange colored lenses and 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:18.200 everything just looks differently. I think we've seen that most 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:21.720 recently with the President Boukaylie and Nel Salvador. I mean 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:25.080 from where I see, I saw what he was talking 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:27.040 about and doing when he first kind of came on 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:28.680 the scene to where he's at now, it seems like 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:31.280 he's been totally changed. So to your point, I think, 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:33.400 you know, with the Erica Rhodes, etcetera, like they'll they'll 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:36.240 they'll get it more and more now, um switching gears 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:40.600 a little bit. Um. I liked what you said there. Right, 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:42.920 It wakes up Washington to like, hey, this is what 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:45.199 the people want. One of the biggest objections I have 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:47.760 heard to bitcoin is like, yeah, yeah, yeah, the government's 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:50.600 going to make it illegal. And I've often said that, yeah, well, 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:52.480 if a billion people don't want it to be illegal, 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:54.640 it ain't gonna be illegal kind of a thing. Um, 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:57.520 it seems like maybe one of the biggest attack vectors 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:01.120 that I might see coming. Not really have an inside knowledge, 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:03.480 maybe you do, but one of the biggest attack victors 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:07.320 that I see coming is maybe on custody. So Biden 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:10.360 admitts Bien edmund and announce they're gonna do some executive 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:13.280 actions to regulate it. The Treasury told us that as well, 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:15.400 and then we had Rep. Davidson of Ohio put this 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:17.560 bill together keep your Coins at kind of thing. So 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:19.720 maybe he sees that attack vector. What do you think 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:24.040 about that? I think that the ability to self custody 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:27.400 is definitely one of the biggest attack vectors for users. 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:30.240 You have two physical links to the bitcoin world, right, 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:32.760 which is the users and the miners, and those are 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:34.800 the two things that we really need to be pushing 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:38.560 to protect as much as possible. So I'm every day 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:40.840 I wake up and I'm trying to push that goal forward. 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:42.840 I'm trying to make sure that we protect the right 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:45.240 to self custody, that we protect the rights to pure 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:49.080 to pure transactions, but that we also protect and incentivize 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:52.960 the growth of industry here in regards to bitcoin mining, 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:55.880 because bitcoin miners, you know, as as we saw China, 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:58.240 they can get banned, they can get moved out, coders 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:01.560 can code around law pretty easily. By bitcoin mining is 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:03.680 a very physical thing in the sense that it takes 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:07.000 up a geographical space that uses electricity from utility companies. 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:10.040 It's very difficult to hide. So um, I think it's 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:12.200 very critical that we protect those two things. But I 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:14.360 have been very encouraged by what's going on to d C. 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:17.040 As you said, Warren Davidson, putting for the k y 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:20.520 c Applete called done keep your coins. Not know your 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:24.720 customer right, but uh keep your coins to protect yourself custody, 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:27.520 protect the right to pure to pure transactions. We need 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:31.400 to make sure that as Americans in the United States 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:33.480 that we have leaders like this, that we're going to 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:35.760 them and showing them that we support them by writing 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:38.840 letters to other legislators and saying, hey, get behind this bill. 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:40.560 We need to show up to events they get behind 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:43.000 this bill. We need to donate to Warren Davidson. We 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:45.000 need to contribute to his campaign. We need to make 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:47.480 sure that this guy feels like he's got support behind him, 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:50.120 so that when the going gets tough, he knows that 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:52.440 he can keep pushing forward. And that's why I want 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:54.160 to make sure that bitcoiners wake up and realize the 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:56.720 importance of being active. We've we've gotten into this place 0:15:56.720 --> 0:15:59.480 in this country where it's like, oh, my vote doesn't matter, 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:02.080 nothing matters that That's exactly what they want you to feel. 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:03.840 That's what they want you to think, because when you 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:07.640 become apathetic, you're actually handing over power. So I know 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:10.120 stuff can be tough to get done in politics, but 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:13.560 we are one of the most entrenched voter groups and 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:16.160 I think human history, we're gonna be the richest voter 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:19.440 block in American history for obvious reasons. But we're also 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:22.800 highly morally incentivized to protect and defend bitcoin, which I'm 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:25.280 sure you've talked a lot about the moral and social 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:28.000 impact of why we need to adopt bitcoins, so I'm 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:29.600 not sure you need to explain that too much to 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:32.520 your listeners. But it's been very encouraging to see Warren 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:35.280 Davidson moved forward on this, and we've also seen I 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:37.520 think it was Rep. Emmer Right a bill to ban 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:40.280 cbdc s. I mean, who would have thought two years 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:42.160 ago that we would be writing to ban CBDCs and 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:45.640 not bitcoin. Everybody was predicting we'd band bitcoin, So I 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:48.520 didn't see that one. That's that's pretty amazing. Um. Yeah, 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:49.920 you know, I like to say that we vote with 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:52.240 our money right, our money as our most effective vote, 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:53.920 and so to your point, kind of getting behind these 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:56.560 people showing our support for that, which then means more 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:59.240 people hopefully would run on those same platforms as well. 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:01.360 I would say a little bit kind of to what 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:03.920 you said though about um, my vote doesn't count and 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:06.920 the apathy, Um, I think that's probably never I've I've 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:08.760 personally never felt that as much as I did in 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:11.520 this last election. It seems like we're I think the 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:13.440 idea of ever voting ourselves out of this is a 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:16.639 little ridiculous. Um. I and I come from a strong 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:19.000 political family. My parents were grassroots political. As a kid, 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:21.720 we still discussed politics at the table. Um, But it 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:24.399 just seems like it's kind of worthless. But that being said, 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:28.560 I will go out swinging and whether I think my 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:30.360 whether I think my vote is going to be effective 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:32.560 or not. I am still going to place it because 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:35.040 it may be the only thing that I have. UM. 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:37.240 You're listening to the Mark Moas Show. We're talking about 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:39.800 If you haven't guess, we're talking about bitcoin. We're talking 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:43.080 about the intersection of politics, finance and technology. We're talking 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:46.680 about the decentralized revolution that is changing the world. I'm 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:48.920 in the studio with Dennis Porter. 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