WEBVTT - #305 Packers Unscripted: One week in 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:20.959 Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:24.040 I am Mike Spofford, sitting alongside the one and only 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:26.799 Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to you here from our studios 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:30.760 at lambeau Field and West. Pretty much a one week 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:33.360 of training camp, I guess you could say is in 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:35.280 the books from the middle of last week to the 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:38.919 middle of this week, and unfortunately, uh, a couple of 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:44.080 fairly significant injuries. To a report from Monday's practice, we 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:47.760 saw both safety Kentroll Bryce and inside linebacker Jake Ryan 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:51.400 carted off of Ray nitchky Field. You never like to 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:54.880 see that. Now, the initial reports are may not be 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:57.800 as bad with Kentroll Bryce as it might have looked 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:00.880 at the time, but there are some outside media reports 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:05.200 that Jake Ryan's knee injury is season ending. So where 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:08.200 we are is that, regardless of the length of the 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:13.040 absences of these players, a spotlight is getting brighter, shining 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:15.400 very brightly on a couple of young players. And I'm 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:20.280 talking about safety Josh Jones and rookie inside linebacker Warren Burke's. Yeah, 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:22.959 And it's the reality of this time of the year. Mike, 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:26.880 I remember Mike McCarthy a few years ago when Packers 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:29.520 are going through kind of a tough injury stretch, address 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:31.080 some of these things. And you know, I think he 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:34.520 said the NFL average was right around you know, two 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:37.960 kind of significant injuries per training camp for NFL teams 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:40.600 and and you hate to see it. You hope that 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:43.000 you can buck that curve. But I'd be lying to 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:45.040 you if I told you that when the Packers went 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:47.160 on in the practice field for the first time last Thursday, 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:49.280 that wasn't That was something that did cross my mind, 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:52.440 because it is just the nature of the beast that 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:55.760 sometimes these things happen. It's the reason why you build 0:01:55.760 --> 0:01:57.680 a deep roster, it's the reason why you look for 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:00.840 as much competition as you can at multiple positions. And 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:03.000 now you look at those two spots and again we'll 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:05.520 see where things stand with Bryce. But a young guy 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:08.840 like Josh Jones, uh. You know, Jermaine Whitehead has had 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:11.160 a pretty big role in this defense over the last year, 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:14.800 between what he can do at safety, his special team's acumen, 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:18.399 and then also playing that slack cornerback position at sub packages. 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:21.200 Guy like Marwin Evans is also in that equation to 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:24.760 now going into his third NFL season, But Jones specifically 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:27.200 was the second round pick, and you know, you look 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:30.519 at his athleticism just completely off the charts. Packers allowed 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:32.960 him to focus on that safety spot, and for as 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:34.600 long as Bryce is out here, it's going to be 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:36.120 a big opening for him to show what he can 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:38.560 do in the field. Yeah, no question about it. And 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:41.760 with regards to Mike Petton and his defensive scheme, I 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:44.639 think we're going to see as this preseason goes along, 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:46.680 and certainly in the in the early stages of the 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:50.480 regular season, just how much how much flexibility there is. 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:54.280 We may see more packages with only one inside linebacker 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:57.400 Blake Martinez on the field instead of needing to or 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:00.960 in Burke's will see exactly what what role he ends 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:03.840 up filling. And with Josh Jones, we saw him sometimes 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:08.040 playing a hybrid linebacker position as well as deep safety. 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:10.640 You don't want to, you know, as we've talked about 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:12.520 many times, you don't want to put too much on 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:15.680 the plate of young players in terms of the schematics 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:17.440 and the xs and os and different things they have 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:20.880 to learn. But there are times that it becomes necessary 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:23.160 and we'll just have to see how the Packers coaching 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:26.799 staff decides to handle this because especially at inside linebacker, 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:30.440 now you really have Blake Martinez and a whole bunch 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:34.000 of guys who don't have any NFL experience, So how 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:35.600 are you going to handle that. I'm glad you brought 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:37.720 up that point because I had a chance to talk 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:40.760 with Oren Burke's in the locker room on Tuesday UM 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:44.080 along with another Beat writer, Jason Wildy, and he was 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:46.760 he had He's such a He's a big thinker, a 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:50.120 very intelligent young man, very well spoken. Absolutely, and he said, 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:53.960 going back to his pre draft interview with the Packers 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:58.240 and that visit, these are conversations he's had with Patrick Graham, 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:01.520 the Packers inside linebackers coach and a defensive run game coordinator. 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:05.360 And the reality is, as he even talked to Blake 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:07.160 Martinez one of the first times they've ever had a 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:09.680 chance to meet each other, is the nature of that position. 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:11.320 You have to be ready to play. You don't want 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:13.920 to see it under these circumstances with what happened with 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:15.680 Jake Ryan, But you look back the last three or 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:18.080 four years, Mike Joe Thomas was a part of that 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:21.840 inside linebacking crew too, all those guys ended up playing. 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:23.880 I think Joe Thomas ended up leading them and tackles 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:27.160 two years ago as a situational player at that position, 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:29.520 So orn Berks knew regardless if it was going to 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:31.920 be as a coverage linebacker in the dime or uh, 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:34.680 you know, specific packages from Mike Petton, he was going 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:36.360 to get a chance to play. So none of this 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:39.080 is new to him. And he said the big lesson 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:41.880 he took away from both Graham and Martinez is you 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:44.479 have to be ready to play because at some point 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:46.640 your number is gonna get called. Are you ready to 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:49.440 step up into that spot? Is it going to be perfect? No, 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:52.040 we saw that with Blake Martinez during his rookie year. 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:54.600 As intelligent as he is coming out of Stanford. It's 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:56.880 a big jump going to the NFL. But the more 0:04:56.920 --> 0:04:59.400 preparation you have both on the field and off of 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:02.479 it and mental being cuted into everything, this is a 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:04.880 big opportunity for him. And as Burke said, this is 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:07.360 my shot. Now, you don't want to see it under 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:10.279 these circumstances, but that's the reality, and the Packers are 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:11.760 going to be counting on him in a big way. 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:13.599 And as he said, he wants to prove that he 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:16.280 was worth that third round pick right from day one. Yeah, 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:18.520 And Josh Jones is a guy I think who's who's 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:20.680 out to prove a little something as well. Had a 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:23.240 decent finish to the season last year with the big 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:26.400 overtime interception in Cleveland in December, but a lot of 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:28.719 ups and downs through his rookie season, and we had 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:30.640 talked about how he was trying to play a lot 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:32.520 of different positions and they did put a lot on 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:35.440 his plate. So we'll see how things evolve in the 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:37.800 second year for him. But another second year guy we 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:40.240 definitely need to talk about here, and this is a 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:44.120 guy coming back from an injury as well, but certainly 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:46.640 looks no worse for wear. And I'm talking about cornerback 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:49.320 Kevin King. Now he's he's out there on the practice 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:52.560 field with a small, I guess I would say harness 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:55.480 type of thing on his left shoulder, which is the 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:59.440 one that was surgically repaired in the off season. But 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.640 I tell you, wes he uh, he looks like he's 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:05.520 out there to bring it this year. Yeah. And here's 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:08.440 the thing about King too, He was back for the 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:11.640 off season program that was a big plus. I thought 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:13.360 for him to be back, but the Packers were very 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:15.880 cautious with them. Yeah, they limited, they limited the snaps. 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:18.080 They really kept him out of the eleven on eleven 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:20.440 stuff during O t s, but he was working on 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:22.560 a lot of other drills and as you well documented, 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:24.880 he spent most of that those team periods just doing 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:27.400 push ups on the sideline, trying to strengthen that. That 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:29.720 shoulder is something that he took from his father many years. 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:33.600 You'll drop and give me twenty exactly. But when he 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:35.960 gets back into training camp, he said he'd be silly 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:38.240 if he went out there without a harness and then 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:41.160 something happens. He has full confidence in the shoulder. His 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:44.040 hope talking with the training staff, talking with the team doctors, 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:47.000 is that once the regular season comes around, he can 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:49.239 drop that be able to get his full reined of motion. 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:52.160 But with it being his first contact work, the first 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:55.080 time really throwing that left hand again, he wants to 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:57.480 be cautious. They want to take the smart approach with it. 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:00.360 That's why you're seeing it right now. But as he said, 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:02.039 he's going to get into some of these preseason games. 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:04.159 He's actually looking forward to being able to falling on 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:06.920 it a little bit, being able to get physical. Uh, 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:09.280 And I think you've seen in very small doses so 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:12.280 far him doing that with Davante Adams. The kind of 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:14.720 report those two have that goes back to last season, 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:17.480 because you remember, during those five starts, during the stretches 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:19.360 where the Packers were down and kind of hurting at 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:22.080 the cornerback position. King ended up being the number one 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:25.680 cornerback against Davante Adams a lot last season. You know, 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:27.680 that Pro Bowl talent, getting a chance to see a 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:32.640 j Green, Dez Bryant, Julio Jones, there's a big benefit 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:34.360 to that. That's something I wrote about this week on 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:37.560 our website. And now he's trying to take that what 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:40.920 he learned, the experience of playing through last season with 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:43.920 that shoulder injury and now being healthy for the first 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:46.720 time in quite a while, and channel that into being 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:48.840 the player that he believes he can become in the 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:51.280 Packers really are counting on him. Yeah, I remember, I 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:53.640 remember talking to him in the spring about some of 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:56.440 those matchups where he was lined up across from Julio 0:07:56.560 --> 0:08:01.040 Jones or even Antonio Brown for up being his last 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:04.640 his last game before the Packers shut him down, and 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:07.200 he said, yeah, I'm I'm a rookie out there, but 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:10.440 I'm learning what the gap is between where I am 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:12.440 and where the best in the league are. And he 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:15.480 and he says, hey, I never surprised myself. I'm going 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:17.600 to go out there and compete. This is a This 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:21.200 is an ultra confident guy. UM a quiet guy in 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:23.760 a lot of ways, but a confident guy who is 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:26.720 not interested in backing down from anybody. He knows, he 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:28.920 knows where the gap is. I think he found out 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:30.920 that maybe the gap isn't as big as a lot 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:33.520 of others were making it out to be. But he 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:36.760 still knows that it's going up against the best in 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:38.880 the league that is going to get him to where 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:40.920 he wants to be amongst the best in the league. Right, 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:42.560 And there's a lot to learn at that position. But 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:44.839 six ft three twounds and running a four or four 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:46.760 or forty, he's gonna help you close that. It's it's 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:48.720 a good place to start. Yeah, it's a good place 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:50.480 to start, no question about it. I do want to 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:52.920 add him quickly before we close this chapter. One other 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:54.720 thing that came up and I ended up adding it 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:58.520 to my story after the fact was this quote he gave, 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:01.640 and it was about going back to challenging yourself, and 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:03.360 this time of the year he goes. He mentioned this 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:05.400 when he was at Washington and a lot of times 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:08.680 in college, those practices are closed, so you can try stuff, 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:11.320 you can do things, and nobody sees it. You get 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:14.720 beat by John Ross, doesn't matter. But in the NFL, 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:16.839 especially with training camp, so many eyes are on him, 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:19.800 those reactions are getting posted to social media. Social media's 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:22.800 drawing those conclusions, and he cautioned everybody against that too. 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:24.480 I thought this was a really important thing for him 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:26.360 to say, because it's not like he's been playing poorly 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:28.559 in the priests. In the training camp got off to 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:30.079 a really nice start. But as he said, and I'm 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:32.640 just gonna give the direct quote, there's a time to 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:34.920 work on your craft. You're with your team, you're out there. 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:37.040 I might try to do a brand new thing against 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:39.840 Davanti is one of the top three top five receivers 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:42.320 in the league. It may not work using his own 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:45.520 cadence there, but on film it's like Kevin King Kinnock 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:48.600 guard Davante Adams. But you don't know what I was doing. 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:51.200 You see the clips. It doesn't tell the whole story. 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:53.160 It's all about getting better. It's like if you took 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:56.520 your notes as a writer every day and posted them 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:58.439 to Twitter. It's not the final draft. I'm not a 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:01.560 finished product here. Just wait for the finished product. I 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:03.640 thought that's really important for young players to learn in 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:06.200 this league because it is about getting better. It's about 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:08.120 how you look in the Preseason's about what you're where 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:09.720 you're at your game once you get into week one 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:12.400 of the regular season. And that's tough for young players 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:15.320 because I think the tendency is to want to be 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:17.240 perfect right off the bat. Right You're not going to 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:20.400 be perfect. You have to learn from those experiences. Trumon 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:22.600 Williams did it, and Nick Collins did. The list goes 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:25.200 on and on, and the Packers great cornerbacks, defensive backs 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:27.400 who have done it. King's trying to be the next one. Yeah, 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:29.600 And I would say I'm certainly not as active on 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:31.920 Twitter as you are. I try to promote some of 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:34.000 the things on our website and whatnot. But if I 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:36.400 were a player, if I were a Kevin King, I 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:38.320 don't know if I would even look at anything on 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:41.240 social media when I'm trying to work through a training 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:44.760 camp through even through the entire season. It's it can 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:48.160 be toxic and and uh, there are certain players who 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:50.000 do that they handle it, you know, and that's fine. 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:51.800 There are other players who get caught up in it 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:55.439 and and it does affect them psychologically mentally. What's going 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:57.240 on out there in the social media world. If I 0:10:57.280 --> 0:10:59.280 were a player, I just shut it off. We're as 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:01.880 interconnected is is we've ever been as a society that 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:05.280 has drawbacks. That has positive elements to it as well. 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:07.640 You get your message out there, but I think sometimes 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:09.840 the drawback is is there's a lot of keyboard warriors 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:12.959 out there that bring some pretty hot takes and sometimes 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:15.440 don't really know that they're talking to another human being. Yeah. Well, 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:20.120 with regards to continuing our discussion about young players, there's 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:22.840 a position battle going on west between a couple of 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:26.560 third year offensive linemen and I'm talking about the right 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:29.360 tackle spot with Jason Spriggs and Kyle Murphy. Now, the 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:31.720 word at the start of training camp from Mike McCarthy 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:34.920 was that Brian Bulaga should be ready for week one. 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:37.000 The start of his season was not in jeopardy. We've 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:39.199 seen him working with the trainers off to the side, 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:42.880 continuing his rehab. We'll see at what point Brian Bulaga 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:45.520 perhaps gets back into practice. How much practice does he 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:48.080 need to get ready. All of those questions still to 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:52.080 be answered. But in the meantime, Jason Spriggs and Kyle 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:55.640 Murphy have been alternating now trading off snaps with the 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:59.160 number one offensive line at right tackle. You got a 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:01.520 second round pick a sixth round pick, both from the 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:04.640 same draft, two guys who certainly looked the part in 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:07.679 terms of their size and their stature. This is going 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:09.800 to be an interesting battle through at least the first 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:13.320 couple of preseason games, when presumably Bulaga still won't be 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:16.319 full strength. The Packers draw it up how they want. 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:20.120 You have David Bock tr sixteen starts every snap at 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:23.240 left Tackley Brian blog of sixteen starts every snap at 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:25.680 right tackle. That would be nice. Yeah, do you remember? 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:27.319 I think it was two thousand, twelve or thirteen. You 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:29.080 have a better memory than I do. Josh sit and 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:31.760 played every snap during the regular season. Do you remember 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:34.760 what happened during that playoff game in San Francisco? His 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:37.440 shoe broke, Her shoelace broke. That's right. He had to 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:39.760 come out of the game, the only two snaps he 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:42.120 missed all season. We're in a playoff game because his 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:45.079 shoelaces broke, and I think it was Don Barkley. Might 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:46.840 have been Lane Taylor that had to go in there 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:48.679 and replace him. I think it was Yeah, I think 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.120 it was Barkley. It was the playoff game. It was 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:53.960 playoff games. So the point I'm trying to make with 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:56.640 this is that even if Bolaga and bok tr are 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:58.880 healthy the whole slate of games, you never know what 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:02.200 might happen. So Jason Spriggs, Kyle Murphy, I think they've 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:03.760 been doing a really good job with them so far, 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:05.920 educating both of them on the left side right side. 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:09.560 It's a tough call. They've talked about it numerous times, 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:12.920 the reflectiveness. They're trying to mirror your moves, and it's 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:15.240 not always easy to slide those two sides, but it's 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:17.000 something you have to be ready to do at a 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:19.160 whim because you never know what's gonna happen with the season. 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:22.120 The fact that Spriggs was able to shake off the 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:24.000 knee injury put on the weight that he did. He 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:26.680 looks a lot more full. We've talked about that several times. Yeah, 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:29.200 you look at Kyle Murphy coming back off the foot injury. 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:31.160 A great sign for both of those guys to be back. 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:32.920 And if Brian blog is not going to be available 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:34.800 right now in training camp, the fact that those guys 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:37.360 get to alternate those reps with Number one next to 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:40.880 Justin to create at that right guard position incredibly valuable. Yeah, 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:43.360 And I think it was valuable for both of them 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:46.400 and fortunate with the injuries they were coming off of 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:48.800 from last season that by the end of O T 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:51.680 a S both of them were cleared for eleven on eleven. 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:54.439 They were doing the full teamwork in you know, the 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:57.079 shorts and helmets, not the pads of O t S. 0:13:57.160 --> 0:13:59.720 But getting back out there for those eleven on eleven 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:02.080 reps in the spring that helps them get to where 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:04.480 they are right now, where okay there with the number 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:06.880 one offensive line, they look like they belong. They don't 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:09.280 look like a fish shot of water, so to speak. 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:11.840 And we'll just see how these preseason games go, because 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:13.760 you know how it is West, there are only gonna 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:16.920 be especially the first couple of preseason games, only a 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:20.520 handful of snaps where that number one defensive end or 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:23.360 outside linebacker is the guy there, So then which of 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:26.720 those guys is going to get those snaps against that 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:29.640 top flight player. Not to say that you can't hone 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:31.760 your craft and work on your game against the guys 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:34.640 further down the depth chart, but it's going up against 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:36.840 the starters. That's what the regular season is about. And 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:39.840 if Jason Spriggs or Kyle Murphy is needed in the 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:42.120 regular season, that's what they're gonna have to do. Absolutely 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:43.960 goes back to what you said about mon Trevia's Adams 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:46.520 earning those reps against the top flight guys, and it's 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:48.720 an opportunity for both of those guys, especially early in 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:51.720 camp here, to potentially get that opportunity. Yeah. Well, one 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:53.880 last thing before we go west, I actually have to 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:56.520 leave you for a few days. I know you're recovering 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:59.160 training camp for a couple of days, all by your loan. 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:02.280 So well, with LA three, you have to decide who 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:05.080 gets to do two of the three things, because it's 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:07.960 only going to be two and but that's uh, but 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:10.560 that's because I'm off to Canton, Ohio for something that 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:12.960 I've actually really been looking forward to it. I think 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:15.360 this is going to be quite the weekend Jerry Kramer's 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:19.479 Pro Football Hall of Fame induction. UM as long overdue. 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:22.320 I think even longer than that library book you didn't 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:26.480 return to elementary school. UM. But hey, we've talked about it. UM. 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:29.680 This is uh, this is the greatest wrong of the 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:32.160 Pro Football Hall of Fame that is finally being righted. 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:35.160 And UM, I just like to say that I think 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:38.240 it's absolutely fantastic and fortunate and all of that that 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:42.400 Jerry Kramer, fifty years after his retirement, is still here 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:44.800 to enjoy this and be a part of this, to 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:47.320 go in, because after everything he went through. Can you 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:49.920 imagine if the Senior Committee, if it were still another 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:52.080 fifteen or twenty years from now, and then they finally 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:54.560 get around to this, and then and then Kramer's not 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:56.360 here to enjoy it, that would be that would be 0:15:56.600 --> 0:15:59.280 a bigger shame almost than the fact that he didn't 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:01.440 get in earlier. To be honest with you, and I 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:03.280 don't know what the Kramer family would have done if 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:06.440 that situation played out. It's all hypotheticals, but at that 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:10.640 point you almost wonder, well, what's the point the positive 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:12.200 side of this? You and I can talk about the fact, 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:14.160 it's been fifty years since his playing career ended. But 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:16.320 let's look at the positive side of it. In addition 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:18.080 to being the hundred seasons for the Packers, it's the 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:22.800 fiftieth anniversary of Jerry Kramer being retired. And to me, 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:25.800 and I've said this numerous times, the Pro Football Hall 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:29.360 of Fame is about people and individuals who changed the 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:32.440 game of football. Jerry Kramer meets that criteria. He did 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:34.280 it on the field. He was a part of some 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:36.520 of the most iconic plays, one of the most iconic 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:39.240 offenses in NFL history, but he also did it off 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:41.560 the field. He was really a trailblazer when it comes 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:44.040 to kind of being able for for players to put 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:46.560 their identity out there and become more than just somebody 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:48.920 behind a face mask. You know, whether it was the 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:50.600 books he wrote or the way he was such a 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:53.400 big ambassador for the Green Bay Packers, I would argue, 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:55.360 and I've argued on this before on these shows, is 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:58.720 that he is the greatest ambassador in Packers history. And 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:02.200 what he's done consistently throughout the time that he got 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:05.120 here to this point in time now he's still coming 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:08.040 to the Lombardi Go the Hall of Fame, Packer's Hall 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:10.760 of Fame, golf voting. He's a fixture around the stadium. 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:14.520 He's the godfather of Green Bay Packers football, and it's 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:17.240 phenomenal to see him get this opportunity. Yeah, the irony 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:20.000 is when you talk about the books and and the 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:22.240 way he put himself out there and what he did 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:25.240 for other players that sort of pull back the curtain. 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:27.960 Look at the NFL and Instant Replay and other books. 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:31.440 That's what some people think kept him out because that's 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:33.760 a shame. But yeah, because the media didn't like it. 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:36.680 You know, certain players didn't like how all that went down. 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:39.720 And you know, I don't know that was before my time, 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:42.840 before your time in terms of when those books were 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:45.000 in the news and on the bestseller lists and all 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:48.280 that kind of stuff. But at least now everything's finally 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:51.560 getting corrected. Jerry's going to be in Canton. He said 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:56.240 that he's never actually gone there because I think he 0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:58.679 drives by it. He's always driven by it because he 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:00.960 didn't want to go there until he invited, and he's 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:03.240 been saying now it's like, well now I'm invited, so 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:05.040 we're gonna throw a heck of a party, and you know, 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:07.560 his whole family is going to be there. It should 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:09.480 be quite a weekend. It's just amazing to me, Mike, 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:11.520 that it's been this long of a road for him, 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:15.640 And I mean, anticipation sometimes can be the best part 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:18.400 of things, and in that journey, and certainly you look 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:21.399 at what he's done. Um, Jerry Kramer didn't need this 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:24.280