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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford, sitting alongside the one and only

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Speaker 1: Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to you here from our studios

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Speaker 1: at lambeau Field and West. Pretty much a one week

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Speaker 1: of training camp, I guess you could say is in

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Speaker 1: the books from the middle of last week to the

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Speaker 1: middle of this week, and unfortunately, uh, a couple of

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Speaker 1: fairly significant injuries. To a report from Monday's practice, we

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Speaker 1: saw both safety Kentroll Bryce and inside linebacker Jake Ryan

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Speaker 1: carted off of Ray nitchky Field. You never like to

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Speaker 1: see that. Now, the initial reports are may not be

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Speaker 1: as bad with Kentroll Bryce as it might have looked

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Speaker 1: at the time, but there are some outside media reports

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Speaker 1: that Jake Ryan's knee injury is season ending. So where

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Speaker 1: we are is that, regardless of the length of the

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Speaker 1: absences of these players, a spotlight is getting brighter, shining

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Speaker 1: very brightly on a couple of young players. And I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about safety Josh Jones and rookie inside linebacker Warren Burke's. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And it's the reality of this time of the year. Mike,

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Speaker 1: I remember Mike McCarthy a few years ago when Packers

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Speaker 1: are going through kind of a tough injury stretch, address

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Speaker 1: some of these things. And you know, I think he

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Speaker 1: said the NFL average was right around you know, two

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Speaker 1: kind of significant injuries per training camp for NFL teams

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Speaker 1: and and you hate to see it. You hope that

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Speaker 1: you can buck that curve. But I'd be lying to

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Speaker 1: you if I told you that when the Packers went

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Speaker 1: on in the practice field for the first time last Thursday,

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Speaker 1: that wasn't That was something that did cross my mind,

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Speaker 1: because it is just the nature of the beast that

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Speaker 1: sometimes these things happen. It's the reason why you build

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Speaker 1: a deep roster, it's the reason why you look for

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Speaker 1: as much competition as you can at multiple positions. And

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Speaker 1: now you look at those two spots and again we'll

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Speaker 1: see where things stand with Bryce. But a young guy

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Speaker 1: like Josh Jones, uh. You know, Jermaine Whitehead has had

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Speaker 1: a pretty big role in this defense over the last year,

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Speaker 1: between what he can do at safety, his special team's acumen,

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Speaker 1: and then also playing that slack cornerback position at sub packages.

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Speaker 1: Guy like Marwin Evans is also in that equation to

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Speaker 1: now going into his third NFL season, But Jones specifically

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Speaker 1: was the second round pick, and you know, you look

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Speaker 1: at his athleticism just completely off the charts. Packers allowed

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Speaker 1: him to focus on that safety spot, and for as

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Speaker 1: long as Bryce is out here, it's going to be

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Speaker 1: a big opening for him to show what he can

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Speaker 1: do in the field. Yeah, no question about it. And

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Speaker 1: with regards to Mike Petton and his defensive scheme, I

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Speaker 1: think we're going to see as this preseason goes along,

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Speaker 1: and certainly in the in the early stages of the

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Speaker 1: regular season, just how much how much flexibility there is.

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Speaker 1: We may see more packages with only one inside linebacker

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Speaker 1: in Burke's will see exactly what what role he ends

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Speaker 1: up filling. And with Josh Jones, we saw him sometimes

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Speaker 1: playing a hybrid linebacker position as well as deep safety.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to, you know, as we've talked about

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Speaker 1: many times, you don't want to put too much on

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Speaker 1: the plate of young players in terms of the schematics

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Speaker 1: and the xs and os and different things they have

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Speaker 1: to learn. But there are times that it becomes necessary

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Speaker 1: and we'll just have to see how the Packers coaching

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Speaker 1: staff decides to handle this because especially at inside linebacker,

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Speaker 1: now you really have Blake Martinez and a whole bunch

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Speaker 1: of guys who don't have any NFL experience, So how

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Speaker 1: are you going to handle that. I'm glad you brought

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Speaker 1: up that point because I had a chance to talk

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Speaker 1: with Oren Burke's in the locker room on Tuesday UM

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Speaker 1: along with another Beat writer, Jason Wildy, and he was

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Speaker 1: he had He's such a He's a big thinker, a

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Speaker 1: very intelligent young man, very well spoken. Absolutely, and he said,

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Speaker 1: going back to his pre draft interview with the Packers

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Speaker 1: and that visit, these are conversations he's had with Patrick Graham,

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Speaker 1: the Packers inside linebackers coach and a defensive run game coordinator.

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Speaker 1: And the reality is, as he even talked to Blake

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Speaker 1: So orn Berks knew regardless if it was going to

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Speaker 1: have to be ready to play because at some point

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Speaker 1: we saw that with Blake Martinez during his rookie year.

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Speaker 1: As intelligent as he is coming out of Stanford. It's

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Speaker 1: a big jump going to the NFL. But the more

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Speaker 1: preparation you have both on the field and off of

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Speaker 1: these circumstances, but that's the reality, and the Packers are

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Speaker 1: And as he said, he wants to prove that he

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Speaker 1: And Josh Jones is a guy I think who's who's

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Speaker 1: Kevin King. Now he's he's out there on the practice

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Speaker 1: That's why you're seeing it right now. But as he said,

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Speaker 1: He's actually looking forward to being able to falling on

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Speaker 1: those reactions are getting posted to social media. Social media's

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Speaker 1: a really nice start. But as he said, and I'm

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Speaker 1: Davanti is one of the top three top five receivers

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Speaker 1: guard Davante Adams. But you don't know what I was doing.

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Speaker 1: You see the clips. It doesn't tell the whole story.

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Speaker 1: It's all about getting better. It's like if you took

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