Speaker 1: Broadcasting from the Hip Hop Weekly Studios. I'd like to
Speaker 1: welcome you to another episode of Civic Cipher, where our
Speaker 1: mission is to foster ally ship, empathy and understanding.
Speaker 2: I am your host, Ramses, job is Ramses Joh, I
Speaker 2: am q Ward. You are tuned into civic socie, Yes.
Speaker 1: You are, and we appreciate you tuning in because, uh,
Speaker 1: today we're gonna we're gonna learn something. We have a
Speaker 1: a new a new teacher, a new instructor in the building.
Speaker 1: She goes by the name of Zenya Perez and she's
Speaker 1: an organizer and political consultant working in the fields of
Speaker 1: advocacy and electoral politics. You can find her on social
Speaker 1: media that is TikTok and Instagram, specifically at your political prema.
Speaker 1: So welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and uh around here with me and Kewit's
Speaker 1: business as usual. So we have a uh I'm I'm
Speaker 1: really excited for our bae by segment because uh, there
Speaker 1: was an epic takedown of a of a young man
Speaker 1: in Virginia that I think that folks need to stick
Speaker 1: around for because it was inspirational and it's really kind
Speaker 1: of what we need nowadays. And I know for Q
Speaker 1: because you haven't heard it yet. So this is kind
Speaker 1: of my surprise to you that with a lot of
Speaker 1: the things that you've been dealing with in your like life,
Speaker 1: especially under the new administration and the emboldening of really
Speaker 1: some of the worst facets of this country, it's really
Speaker 1: exciting to see, you know, people resisting that shift in
Speaker 1: the culture in this country. And so I'm excited to
Speaker 1: share that with you, and we're excited to learn. Zenya
Speaker 1: also is going to be talking to us about really
Speaker 1: getting involved on the ground and you know, making some
Speaker 1: changes in ways that you can in your own community.
Speaker 1: So this is kind of what we need to do
Speaker 1: now in order to resist what many people consider to
Speaker 1: be an oppressiveministration. And so that is what we're doing
Speaker 1: so much more. But before we get there, it is
Speaker 1: time for some Ebony excellence.
Speaker 2: Shall we?
Speaker 1: Yes, we shall, And today's abny excellence we shouting out Shaboozi.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw Shaboozi's side eye at
Speaker 1: the American Music Awards, but I will share with you.
Speaker 1: This comes from the National Black Guy. Shaboozi, the Nigerian
Speaker 1: American country artist, addressed a viral moment from the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five American Music Awards, where he reacted to co
Speaker 1: presenter Megan Moroney's claim that the Carter family basically invented
Speaker 1: country music. During the presentation of the Favorite Country Duo
Speaker 1: or Group Award, Shabbuzzi gave a noticeable side eye and
Speaker 1: chuckle in response to Maroni's statement. The following day, he
Speaker 1: took to social media to highlight the significant, yet often
Speaker 1: overlooked contributions of black musicians to the genre. He emphasized
Speaker 1: the influence of artists like Leslie Riddle, who collaborated with
Speaker 1: the Carter family, as well as Rufus Teapot, Pain, Gus Cannon,
Speaker 1: and DeFord Bailey, all of whom played foundational roles in
Speaker 1: shape country music. Chibuzzi's remarks have reignited discussions about the
Speaker 1: historical erasure of black artists in country music. He pointed
Speaker 1: out that while the Carter family is celebrated, the black
Speaker 1: musicians who influenced them often remain unrecognized. This conversation the
Speaker 1: lines with a broader movement to acknowledge and celebrate the
Speaker 1: diverse roots of country music, a theme also explored in
Speaker 1: Beyonce's Cowboy Carter album, which features Shaboozi and pays tribute
Speaker 1: to trailblazers like Linda Martel. So, you know, around here,
Speaker 1: we haven't been able to really give Shaboozi his flowers.
Speaker 1: You know, he is definitely of any excellence, and it's
Speaker 1: fitting that the time, the first time that we're able
Speaker 1: to do it is because he's taking you know, he's
Speaker 1: using his platform in the stage to resist, even if
Speaker 1: it's in a small way. I do recognize he's kind
Speaker 1: of a lone, you know, figure in that world in
Speaker 1: a manner of speaking, but I love the fact that
Speaker 1: he gave that little side eye and elaborated. All right,
Speaker 1: so Zania Perez, welcome to the show. Thank you for
Speaker 1: taking the time to come and talk to us. I
Speaker 1: know that this is kind of a this kind of
Speaker 1: came together quickly, but I do appreciate you coming on here.
Speaker 1: So allow me to share with you kind of a
Speaker 1: little bit about us, and then we'll get a little
Speaker 1: bit more about you. So Q and I we felt
Speaker 1: that this show is necessary because, in particular, on hip
Speaker 1: hop stations around the country, there's a lot of you know,
Speaker 1: celebration of black culture, black music, black art, but not
Speaker 1: a lot in the way of the advancement of a
Speaker 1: decidedly black political agenda or the galvanization of black folks
Speaker 1: behind causes that would benefit black and adjacent namely brown
Speaker 1: and other marginalized communities. And so we created this show
Speaker 1: to highlight people who are actually doing the work and
Speaker 1: give them a platform to share their stories. And so,
Speaker 1: while Q and I do a great job, I believe
Speaker 1: of kind of taking care of this space, it was
Speaker 1: built for you because you're the person that is out
Speaker 1: there actually making things happen. And what you're going to
Speaker 1: do today is teach us and our listeners all about that.
Speaker 1: So before we get to that, do us a favor
Speaker 1: and just kind of introduce yourself beyond kind of the
Speaker 1: brief introduction that we gave you.
Speaker 3: Well, I was born and raised in the County of Dade.
Speaker 3: To quote a rapper from Miami.
Speaker 1: We like rappers run here, so great for us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Rick Ross, you know, like he claims us.
Speaker 3: I don't know if we claim him, but you know, so, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I was born and raised a county of Dad like Miami,
Speaker 3: Dade County. It's just this really great melting pot. Like
Speaker 3: you think, it's very Latino, and yes it is, but
Speaker 3: it's a city built by black Bahamians, and it grew
Speaker 3: with our different waves of immigrants, and so we've got
Speaker 3: all sorts of different immigrants and not all Latinos are
Speaker 3: a monolith, and so you have the city just being
Speaker 3: shaped in different ways. And that kind of just made
Speaker 3: me a very curious person. So when I got to college,
Speaker 3: my parents were like, you got to make money, and
Speaker 3: I was like, no, I got to do something I love.
Speaker 3: So I studied anthropology and that ended up, you know,
Speaker 3: me serving in the Peace Corps on the sugarcane plantations
Speaker 3: of the Dominican Republic. It was kind of like modern
Speaker 3: day slavery. But that's a feature of capitalism, I guess.
Speaker 3: And then I came back to the States. And when
Speaker 3: you go through an experience like that, you come back
Speaker 3: a changed person. And I was coming back to what
Speaker 3: was the birth of Black Lives Matter. We didn't know
Speaker 3: at that moment, but George Zimmerman, a Latino mind you
Speaker 3: had just killed, had just murdered Travon Martin. And when
Speaker 3: I saw his high school, I d I had the
Speaker 3: same high school ID, my brother had the same high
Speaker 3: school ID. Like in Florida. It's hot at heck outside,
Speaker 3: so they blasted ac. We all go to school with
Speaker 3: our hoodies. That could have been me, that could have
Speaker 3: been my brother, and so yeah, that wouldn't just hurt
Speaker 3: me in the fields and going through an experience like
Speaker 3: the Peace Corps living amongst marginalized communities. You know, I
Speaker 3: was living with people of Haitian descent in a Latino
Speaker 3: culture that was very anti black, even though most of Dominicans,
Speaker 3: you know, are are black. And I remember going back
Speaker 3: on a trip to visit my people in the Demican
Speaker 3: Republic and they were like, how can you say the
Speaker 3: US is the best country in the world, Like look
Speaker 3: at this NYA, Like what do you mean? And we
Speaker 3: all thought in that moment like that's it. America's no
Speaker 3: longer racist. President Obama is our president, Like that's it.
Speaker 3: We did it, like, you know, let's check this off.
Speaker 3: We were very very wrong. A lot of people, a
Speaker 3: lot of organizers, are like we did it, and they
Speaker 3: turned away. We lost the mid terms. But then and
Speaker 3: so yeah, you you by my own students, they they
Speaker 3: made me realize that America had things that we needed
Speaker 3: to work on, right, But you know, it's a journey,
Speaker 3: not a destination, and when I got back, I just
Speaker 3: could not go back to my daily grind. I ended
Speaker 3: up finding my way into politics. It kind of found me,
Speaker 3: and so I got heavily involved in the Bernie campaign.
Speaker 3: After that, I worked at Justice Democrats, we got AOC elected.
Speaker 3: After that, I worked in labor and you know, did
Speaker 3: some cool stuff with really cool, really cool people working
Speaker 3: in retail and private own equity. And yeah, and now
Speaker 3: I'm here working on vocating for DEI, which I can
Speaker 3: tell you my career has been a kind of you know,
Speaker 3: beating the political moment in a very interesting way.
Speaker 2: But yeah, listening to your story and how synonymous it
Speaker 2: is with ours, like these moments in history that happened
Speaker 2: that kind of shaped our view and took us from
Speaker 2: something that was adjacent by the nature of who we
Speaker 2: are to something direct. You know, we were hip hop
Speaker 2: radio DJs. We did a hip hop radio show exactly
Speaker 2: what you think when you hear hip hop radio show,
Speaker 2: your favorite hip hop artists, concert ticket giveaways, you know,
Speaker 2: us popping up at your local high school or local
Speaker 2: concert outside with tents and speakers in our turntables, at
Speaker 2: your local nightclub and for both of us in the
Speaker 2: arena with the local NBA team and similar to that
Speaker 2: kind of birthing of Black Lives Matter with George Zimmerman
Speaker 2: and Trayvon Martin was George Floyd years later, and that
Speaker 2: happening at the same time as COVID nineteen. The world
Speaker 2: was in a very unique place to be able to
Speaker 2: respond and mobilize during that movement in a way that
Speaker 2: you know, not before or since have we been so available,
Speaker 2: so off work, so out of school, so you know,
Speaker 2: so in tuned, and everybody was outside for seemingly the
Speaker 2: same reason, and it was impossible to ignore and having
Speaker 2: conversations about what the world was dealing with and what
Speaker 2: we saw in the in the streets as we protested
Speaker 2: and as we marched, got our hands slapped a little
Speaker 2: bit at the radio station, and we went from entertainers
Speaker 2: to a moment and a decision turning us into activist.
Speaker 2: And like Ramda said, the idea for this show was
Speaker 2: that we're DJs. We're not experts in this field. We
Speaker 2: don't do this work, but we know people that do,
Speaker 2: and they deserve a platform and to have their voices
Speaker 2: and their messages amplified. Little did we know that we
Speaker 2: would be joining in on that fight because you know,
Speaker 2: the moment decided that for us, right, the moment decided that,
Speaker 2: and then Ramses decided it for us, specifically resigning from
Speaker 2: the radio station that we were at, because they decided
Speaker 2: in that moment that they wouldn't they wouldn't live up
Speaker 2: to it, they would not answer the call, and black
Speaker 2: was too much for them, almost specifically, they don't want
Speaker 2: to do a black show where the words that they used,
Speaker 2: and Ramses knew in that moment that the decision had
Speaker 2: to be made that we would go a different way.
Speaker 2: It's a full circle moment to almost have someone like
Speaker 2: Ramsay said that we built this whole thing for sitting
Speaker 2: here with us. You know, someone who's doing the work,
Speaker 2: someone who's experienced life in a way that has kind
Speaker 2: of ingrained empathy into your heart and to your mind.
Speaker 2: The decisions that you make are based on that. Because
Speaker 2: you went to a university and got a degree, and
Speaker 2: you could have chased the capitalistic dream and done something
Speaker 2: to make far more money than you make doing the
Speaker 2: type of work that you do. So we can't express
Speaker 2: our gratitude enough for you making decisions really based on
Speaker 2: wanting to take care of and show up for everybody
Speaker 2: else from Dade County to a red border state to
Speaker 2: visit two hip hop DJs and have a conversation. That's
Speaker 2: the heck of a story. Making the decisions for that
Speaker 2: to be career? How did you get there? Like our
Speaker 2: decision was kind of made for us. What was the
Speaker 2: kind of lightning in the bottom moment that said to you, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is what I need to do moving forward? Because
Speaker 2: from the Peace Corps to now being an organizer that
Speaker 2: you know, there are adjacent things, but there's a bridge
Speaker 2: that you had to cross to get where you are now.
Speaker 3: You know, my parents, I think they asked themselves this
Speaker 3: very thing, and they're like, how did you get here?
Speaker 3: And I mean, how could I not? It is what
Speaker 3: I asked them. Like I think they they our lives
Speaker 3: are so political and and what politics ought to be
Speaker 3: is just people getting their basic needs met and then
Speaker 3: some and I think we kind of like forget that
Speaker 3: here in this country. And I tell my parents, I'm like,
Speaker 3: I work in politics because I grew up in Miami,
Speaker 3: like I grew up protesting Fidel Castro. You know, we
Speaker 3: would walk to the Orange Bowl fill that Orange Bowl,
Speaker 3: and we would stomp our feet and we would chant
Speaker 3: Guba si gastron and you know, when you know, similar
Speaker 3: to what we're seeing in Palestine, Like we had we
Speaker 3: had groups that would deliver aid to the people in Cuba,
Speaker 3: and the Cuban government shot those rescue planes down and
Speaker 3: people were up in arms, Like people in Miami are
Speaker 3: always upset about something, and we're always going to fight
Speaker 3: for what's rightfully yours. Maybe it's because like you know,
Speaker 3: there's there's all like our politicians are Latino and we
Speaker 3: are Latino, and you know, and so we just we
Speaker 3: feel comfortable telling this country what we deserve and what
Speaker 3: we need because like our legislators look like us, and
Speaker 3: so like I I grew up poor, and you know,
Speaker 3: and yes my life was hard, but I didn't have
Speaker 3: this this notion that I could not be what I
Speaker 3: wanted to be. I just didn't know where I wanted
Speaker 3: to go and what I wanted to do. I mean,
Speaker 3: who does really, and and so like that's how I
Speaker 3: ended up in politics. Like I realized that there were
Speaker 3: people who just weren't given a fair shake. And in
Speaker 3: this land of opportunity, we all deserve that and then
Speaker 3: some you know, if if we all prosper, like we
Speaker 3: all get to benefit from that, if we all like
Speaker 3: have our basic needs met like housing, food, shelter, healthcare,
Speaker 3: then imagine like this beautiful world we could be living
Speaker 3: in instead of like this scarcity that we have been
Speaker 3: trained and condition groomed even through our own education system,
Speaker 3: our own politicians. But the thing about America, the beauty
Speaker 3: of America is that when something's wrong, Like when my
Speaker 3: parents gave me the ride to the airport, I was
Speaker 3: telling them like this, this is what I do for work,
Speaker 3: and we were talking about parental leave and my dad
Speaker 3: was like, well, I didn't have parental leave when I
Speaker 3: was when we had you. And I was like yeah,
Speaker 3: and that's terrible, Like that's bad for you for your
Speaker 3: ability to bond with us, and it's bad for the
Speaker 3: mother because she's more likely to have postpartum. And so
Speaker 3: you know what my brother now had parentally he had
Speaker 3: and guess what, Like they're all thriving because they all
Speaker 3: had that together, and because we get to fight for
Speaker 3: things that matter and make these families all families like healthy,
Speaker 3: Like that's that's what makes America great, Like America's been
Speaker 3: great because we're a country where we get to like
Speaker 3: shape it the way that we want, Like we don't
Speaker 3: have to ask for permission, like that's just our job.
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of shaping the country the way that we want,
Speaker 1: I want to get into the weeds a bit in
Speaker 1: terms of like what it is that you actually do.
Speaker 1: So earlier, you know, I said that you work in
Speaker 1: the fields of advocacy and electoral politics. Okay, so make
Speaker 1: that live for us a little bit. Talk to us
Speaker 1: about what electoral politics means, and talk to us a
Speaker 1: bit about what advocacy means, just so that people kind
Speaker 1: of get an idea of what the work, what the
Speaker 1: work entails.
Speaker 3: So you know, I'll talk to you as if like
Speaker 3: I'm talking to my parents. Electoral politics means that I'm
Speaker 3: trying to get somebody elected because I want to have
Speaker 3: a certain agenda pushed, and so that means I'm going
Speaker 3: to be knocking doors. I'm going to be having conversations
Speaker 3: with people with my end goal being that we get
Speaker 3: this person elected, or we get this ballot measure pushed
Speaker 3: through and voted into you know, whatever it is, whatever state.
Speaker 3: And so that's kind of the electoral side the advocacy
Speaker 3: side is where you have a cause. And I'll give
Speaker 3: you the example of when I worked in labor, we
Speaker 3: had people who were getting who are losing their jobs.
Speaker 3: And this was because private equity owned a lot of
Speaker 3: retail at the time and they were shutting down during
Speaker 3: the pandemic, not giving anyone any kind of warning, and
Speaker 3: things were really tough during the pandemic. A lot of
Speaker 3: people suffered, and so we got those people who had
Speaker 3: been laid off and they advocated and they pushed for
Speaker 3: a law that if you have this massive layoff, you
Speaker 3: get a severance paycheck, and we passed that first law. Okay,
Speaker 3: so that's like one example of what advocacy look like.
Speaker 3: It can look like a lot of things. It could
Speaker 3: be calling your legislator and telling them that you don't
Speaker 3: want to have Medicaid cut because it pays for all
Speaker 3: of the nursing homes in Florida. That's what that looks like.
Speaker 3: But there's people behind that, like setting up those scripts
Speaker 3: so that you can call and setting up the phone
Speaker 3: numbers and so like there's us doing that. So there's
Speaker 3: that big picture, that big legislative that we have like
Speaker 3: that I just told you, But then behind the scenes,
Speaker 3: like there's people knocking on the door. There's people like
Speaker 3: like trying to get you onto your side to either
Speaker 3: explain that cause or just like making it happen so
Speaker 3: that you can do education, or you can do like
Speaker 3: mobilization where you get people, you know, maybe just packing
Speaker 3: the house at your your your city hall, that sort
Speaker 3: of thing. And then the reason I do these two
Speaker 3: things is because like if I have a bill, like
Speaker 3: let's say I want to have you know, I don't
Speaker 3: want people to you know, in the US, you're more
Speaker 3: likely to become homeless from a cancer diagnosis than you
Speaker 3: are ever to become a millionaire billionaire, right, And so
Speaker 3: I think it's a it's a tragedy that we don't
Speaker 3: have that everyone doesn't have equal access, equitable access to healthcare.
Speaker 3: So I might want to you know, advocate, get you
Speaker 3: all to like call in and push for Medicaid expansion
Speaker 3: just we all, we all deserve a safety in it.
Speaker 3: And then but I want people well on the other
Speaker 3: side that have been that are sitting in office, those legislators,
Speaker 3: those lawmakers, and so like I need those people in office.
Speaker 3: I need to get them elected so that when I
Speaker 3: do this advocacy work like I have those allies, I
Speaker 3: have those people, So like those two things kind of
Speaker 3: work hand in hand. I love that some people work
Speaker 3: both sides. Some people only work one side, but I've
Speaker 3: been fortunate enough to have experience doing both.
Speaker 1: Okay, you're gonna please yeah, yeah, So you you mentioned
Speaker 1: a couple of the campaigns, you mentioned a labor thing,
Speaker 1: you mentioned AOC Talk about some of the other things
Speaker 1: and other people that you've worked with, because I want
Speaker 1: to say that I'm connecting you mentally with like Stacy
Speaker 1: Abrams and you know, maybe some other things. So let's
Speaker 1: let's let people know just how far this goes or
Speaker 1: can go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like we like to say as organizers that if
Speaker 3: you don't have a seat at the table, you're likely
Speaker 3: going to be at the menu. So bring a folding
Speaker 3: chair with you. Oh right, I have a friend who
Speaker 3: I think her ferb is called like folding chair, you know,
Speaker 3: consulting something like that. And like you, just in this country,
Speaker 3: we don't have to ask for permission or we should
Speaker 3: not be required room to think that way, Like this
Speaker 3: is the United States of America, for the people, by
Speaker 3: the people, and so like I think the way maybe
Speaker 3: it's our education system. I don't know why, but I
Speaker 3: think civic engagement it's very it's like this very foreign thing,
Speaker 3: like Howard Laws made? What is the job of a politician?
Speaker 3: You know, It's just it's this weird foreign concept. And
Speaker 3: I think it's like that by design because I think
Speaker 3: they don't you know, the powers that be or you know,
Speaker 3: very powerful corporation. They don't want you to know how
Speaker 3: powerful you are. Like at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: we pay their bills because we pay our taxes. So
Speaker 3: like politicians should be scared of us, not because I'm
Speaker 3: condoting political violence or anything, but because like we can
Speaker 3: get upset and vote them out. We yeah, let me,
Speaker 3: let me.
Speaker 1: I want this to live too, So my bad for
Speaker 1: jumping in front of que But under an administration like
Speaker 1: this one, obviously there's some people that think this administration
Speaker 1: is great, and there are some people that think that
Speaker 1: this administration is hostile. Right for those people that feel
Speaker 1: like this administration is hostile, but they themselves they want
Speaker 1: to do something and want to make some changes. They
Speaker 1: want to get out there and be active. But it's
Speaker 1: not for that, like they're not a politician there not.
Speaker 1: You know, they're not going to you know, and they're
Speaker 1: going to vote, of course, but they can't vote for
Speaker 1: another two years or four years or whatever. It sounds
Speaker 1: like there's a place based on what you're saying, there's
Speaker 1: a place for those people. Yeah, so talk to us
Speaker 1: about how easy or challenging it might be to become
Speaker 1: a political organizer or an advocacy or a you know,
Speaker 1: to support electoral politics. Like what does a person go
Speaker 1: through to become their city's version of you or their
Speaker 1: community's version of you.
Speaker 3: You just have to find your people, find your cause
Speaker 3: and find your people, like no one can do it alone.
Speaker 3: I know this country preaches rugged individualism, but humans, we
Speaker 3: are social creatures. Like and when when I was taught
Speaker 3: about organizing, you have to like remember buy in and
Speaker 3: just make sure like everyone's like bought into your cause.
Speaker 3: You know your your mission and so like ask yourself,
Speaker 3: like what is important to you for me right now?
Speaker 3: It's saving the Peace Corps from you know, the like
Speaker 3: demonic grips of Doge and Elon Musk and so you know,
Speaker 3: and it's also like mental health. The National Alliance for
Speaker 3: Mental Health also has given a lot to me in
Speaker 3: this work. I've I've burned out and stuff. But you
Speaker 3: know they're those are like my two passion projects right now.
Speaker 3: And so find your passion projects and those people. There
Speaker 3: will be people there for you. And if you're not sure,
Speaker 3: you know, of course hit me up your political prima
Speaker 3: on Instagram TikTok, and I'll help you find your people.
Speaker 3: But like find your community or create it and get
Speaker 3: together with your friends, your family, your neighbors or you know,
Speaker 3: or an existing organization, because we're always looking for people
Speaker 3: to come work with us, volunteer their time time or
Speaker 3: just like you know, pick up the slack that you
Speaker 3: know your representatives might be you know, like putting down.
Speaker 1: And this is like knocking doors, making phone Yeah.
Speaker 3: And you can knock doors, make phone calls, like all
Speaker 3: these things. Like you can do it yourself or find
Speaker 3: a place that does it, because like there's always work.
Speaker 3: You know, we're a work in progress the US, and
Speaker 3: you know, just find your people and find your happy place.
Speaker 2: And so you mentioned earlier you spent some time living
Speaker 2: in the Midwest. I'm from Detroit, Michigan, so I'm a
Speaker 2: proud Midwesterner. You may have gotten to be in close
Speaker 2: proximity of some of the MAGA movement. Yeah, what are
Speaker 2: some common things you think people misunderstand about make America
Speaker 2: great again?
Speaker 1: Folks, we only got like thirty seconds. Oh gosh ahead.
Speaker 3: I think both parties have failed the people. I think
Speaker 3: there is just so much money and politics and I
Speaker 3: won't get into it, but I think both parties are
Speaker 3: failing the people. And there's like there's hurt in the Midwest,
Speaker 3: like like no weather, and you know, like our systems
Speaker 3: are failing us because they're rigged against us. But we
Speaker 3: get to we write the rules in this country. If
Speaker 3: something's not serving us, we can change that. That's what
Speaker 3: makes America beautiful. And so yeah, the pain that I've
Speaker 3: seen in MAGA is because corporations, the corporate greed. At
Speaker 3: the end of the day, it's corporate greed. It's corporate
Speaker 3: greed that got this man elected into office. It's you know,
Speaker 3: but don't lose hope, Like this is a country of
Speaker 3: very willing people and we just got to find ourselves
Speaker 3: to find our people.
Speaker 1: Well, that's not the first time we've heard that argument,
Speaker 1: but it was well stated. Appreciate it.