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Speaker 1: thrower or as a runner. Give him as many options

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Speaker 1: as he can to make a play to get the

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Speaker 1: critical form down, because at that point they only needed

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Speaker 1: a field go to win the game. Yeah, inside zone.

431
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Speaker 1: That that was curious, No, not my favorite curious very

432
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Speaker 1: curious play call their Ohio State. Even though you're right

433
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Speaker 1: at the Penn State control of the game, for the

434
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Speaker 1: most part, you still see some young, some young athletic

435
00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,160
Speaker 1: players on that Ohio State defense, and Chase Young when

436
00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,560
Speaker 1: it needed to be made that last play, he found

437
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Speaker 1: a way to get it done. No Nick Bosa on

438
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Speaker 1: that defensive line. They still got plenty of dudes um

439
00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,360
Speaker 1: and they end up sneaking out of there with a win. Haskins,

440
00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,359
Speaker 1: by the way, lit I know he had threw a

441
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Speaker 1: bubble screen for the game waiting touchdown, but he would

442
00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:50,920
Speaker 1: when he got a little bit off his spot was

443
00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,160
Speaker 1: right a little bit buck That thing was sailing all

444
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Speaker 1: over the place. That did not come away. Ultra and

445
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Speaker 1: press with a guy who's generated a lot of hype

446
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Speaker 1: so far. He has generated a lot of hype because

447
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,160
Speaker 1: he's been able to really throw from a clean, grassy

448
00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:06,760
Speaker 1: knoll um and deliver perfect strikes. I think with Haskins,

449
00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:11,159
Speaker 1: Haskin is the old school prototypical pocket passer. He's not

450
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Speaker 1: a guy that's gonna mess around and beat you with

451
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Speaker 1: his legs. He's going to need to play behind a

452
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Speaker 1: nice offensive line where he can sit back there drop

453
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Speaker 1: back beach with the seven step drops. His arm talent

454
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Speaker 1: is terrific. He's just not the athlete that we're seeing

455
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Speaker 1: from some of these other quarterbacks in the college game

456
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Speaker 1: right now. Notre Dame Stanford old school physical affair between

457
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Speaker 1: those two programs as it always is, and man, Notre

458
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,920
Speaker 1: Dame just pounded him in the second half thirty eight

459
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Speaker 1: to seven teen. They end up pulling away from Stanford.

460
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Speaker 1: I I was a little bit interested to see what

461
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Speaker 1: would happen with Stanford off of a very emotional game

462
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Speaker 1: on the road against Oregon. That is a tough schedule

463
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Speaker 1: to then go play on the road at Notre Dame.

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Speaker 1: And I thought just in the second half of that game.

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Speaker 1: Stanford always is well conditioned as any team in the

466
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Speaker 1: country with their strength coach and Kyle Turley's or Shannon Turley,

467
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Speaker 1: I should say, uh, Shannon is a great job up

468
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Speaker 1: there with them in the strength and conditioning program. But man,

469
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Speaker 1: I thought that was a game where they kind of

470
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Speaker 1: ran out of gas in the second half. They ran

471
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Speaker 1: out of gas. Notre Dame beat him up. And I

472
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Speaker 1: think where Brian Kelly has discovered when you look at

473
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Speaker 1: Notre Dame, I'm not saying that Notre Dame is quite Alabama,

474
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,879
Speaker 1: but they have some Alabama tendencies in terms of they

475
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Speaker 1: would beat you up. They're big, they're physical, and if

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Speaker 1: you go back and look at the way this team

477
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Speaker 1: has transformed from the time that Alabama Notre Dame massed

478
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Speaker 1: up in the championship game, I think Brian Kelly took

479
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Speaker 1: some of those lessons to heart. They're bigger, they're more physical.

480
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Speaker 1: He dropped in a quarterback that gives them something in

481
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Speaker 1: the passing game, and defensively, they get after it. This

482
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Speaker 1: team has a soft schedule that should allow them to

483
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Speaker 1: get into the playoffs, but I think they are a

484
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Speaker 1: team that is built to play in the playoffs. Uh,

485
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Speaker 1: you have to be excited if you're a Notre Dame

486
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Speaker 1: fan by what Brian Kelly has been able to do

487
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Speaker 1: with the squad. You brought up a great point, uh,

488
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Speaker 1: talking about that. I was at that Alabama Notre Dame

489
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Speaker 1: game and it was just a physical mismatching. If you

490
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Speaker 1: remember that Alabama offensive line, I believe that was d J.

491
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Speaker 1: Flucas Warmack all those guys right, and it was big physical. Now,

492
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Speaker 1: if you look back from that game till now and

493
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Speaker 1: compare Alabama and Notre Dame with the offensive lineman they've produced.

494
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Speaker 1: Notre Dame has produced far more talented NFL lineman first

495
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Speaker 1: round picks, big time players. When you look at Zack Martin,

496
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Speaker 1: Ronnie Stanley, uh, Nick Martin the center who's been in

497
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Speaker 1: the NFL. You look at last year with Quentin Nelson

498
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Speaker 1: and Mike McGlinchey, I mean, Alabama has not come close

499
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Speaker 1: to putting that much offensive line talent in the NFL

500
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Speaker 1: like Notre Dame has. And I think that that game

501
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Speaker 1: right there was kind of a turning point for them. Yeah,

502
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Speaker 1: I think it was a turning point because they let

503
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Speaker 1: them know how far they must go to be a

504
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Speaker 1: team that can sit at the top of the hill. Um.

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Speaker 1: They got there, um. And I think what Brian Kelly

506
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Speaker 1: wants to be able to do, and I think all

507
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Speaker 1: teams have to be able to do this no matter what.

508
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,440
Speaker 1: Like we all love seeing the ball fly all over

509
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 1: the yard, quarterbacks accumulating these big passing numbers, but at

510
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Speaker 1: the end of the day, you have to be able

511
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Speaker 1: to run to football. You have to be able to

512
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Speaker 1: be physical on both sides of the ball. And I

513
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Speaker 1: believe right now Notre Dame has more options, especially with

514
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Speaker 1: the quarterback in book coming in. They have the option

515
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Speaker 1: of being able to play any style to get it done.

516
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Speaker 1: Run it, throw it, play great defense. Notre Dame is

517
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Speaker 1: built for the long call. I am really really impressed

518
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Speaker 1: by what they've been able to do. Last game. We'll

519
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Speaker 1: get to here before we bring on our guest to

520
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 1: a game that our guests played in. Here Clemson sneaking

521
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 1: away with the victory over Syracuse with a clutch drive

522
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 1: with a guy that I would say, was there what

523
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Speaker 1: the fourth quarterback? Uh coming into the season, because you

524
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Speaker 1: had one transfer already, Hunter Johnson had left UM, you

525
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Speaker 1: have Trevor Lawrence gets hurt in this game. He had

526
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Speaker 1: replaced Kelly Bryant, who has since left the program. So

527
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Speaker 1: they end up having to throw out a freshman out

528
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Speaker 1: there down against Syracuse, and man, he made a fourth

529
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Speaker 1: down throw. I want to say, a little corner route

530
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Speaker 1: perfect Chase season on the line, Richard freshman Chase Brice

531
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Speaker 1: had an opportunity to go in after Trevor Lawrence was dean.

532
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Speaker 1: He didn't play in the second half, and he did enough.

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Speaker 1: He made enough plays for them to be able to

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Speaker 1: get it done. I will say, he jumps into an

535
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Speaker 1: offense that certainly has a nice supporting cast. He has

536
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Speaker 1: weapons on the outside. The thing that you saw from

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Speaker 1: Clemson and how they changed when he was in. They

538
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Speaker 1: ran the ball on the snaps. They made a point

539
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Speaker 1: to emphasize the running game, allowed them to play more physical.

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Speaker 1: But let's be honest about Clemson right now. Clemson is

541
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Speaker 1: a team that they have been Their ranking doesn't necessarily

542
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Speaker 1: match the way that they're played right now. They've been

543
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Speaker 1: a little overhyped because they haven't played well. They haven't

544
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Speaker 1: played like a dominant team. When I click on the

545
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Speaker 1: TV and I look at Alabama, I'm like, yeah, that's

546
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Speaker 1: what a playoff team looks like. When I look at

547
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: Ohio State and Penn State, they look like playoff teams.

548
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Speaker 1: When I look at Oklahoma, particularly on offense, they look

549
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Speaker 1: like a playoff team. And Clemson, I see a good team.

550
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Speaker 1: I don't see a team that ranks with the teams

551
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Speaker 1: that we saw from Clemson previously the last couple of years.

552
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Speaker 1: They need to improve significantly. They won't be challenged the

553
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Speaker 1: rest of their schedule, but in the playoffs for them

554
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Speaker 1: to win, they have to be a much better team.

555
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Speaker 1: Than the team that we've seen trot on the field

556
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Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks. And hats off to Syracuse. Uh,

557
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: they did a nice job done. You played well in

558
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: that game. I thought it was a little bit curious

559
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 1: that Dino Baber didn't use his time outs as as

560
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: Clemson was in that last drive. I thought he could

561
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: have used the time outs, preserved time and give us

562
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Speaker 1: just stop there. The hope hope is not a strategy

563
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: is a famous line there. Uh to me, I think

564
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Speaker 1: you use those time outs, give give your offense a

565
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 1: little bit of a chance there, a little more time. Anyway,

566
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Speaker 1: it didn't work out for Syracuse. They went off to

567
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Speaker 1: a hot start, couldn't quite get it done there against Clemson.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's uh, let's let's get to it. Buck

569
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Speaker 1: excited to bring in our next guest here, uh Hunter

570
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Speaker 1: Rent for a one of the most enjoyable players to

571
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Speaker 1: watch in all the college football. Before we get into

572
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Speaker 1: your story, which is is really fascinating one. Uh, let's

573
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Speaker 1: let's look back to last week and your guys game.

574
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: They're a real nail better. We're just talking about it

575
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: there against the Syracuse team, and you find you guys, uh,

576
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Speaker 1: without your quarterback there and Trevor Lawrence got some injuries

577
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 1: and then the next thing you know, man, you guys

578
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: are in the pressure cooker in a must win game.

579
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Speaker 1: What was that vibe like on the sideline as you

580
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: guys are going out there for that for that game

581
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 1: winning drive? Yeah? I mean we we've been down the

582
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: whole the whole game and Chase had to come in

583
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: he would he started third string uh last week, and

584
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: so um for him to come in down by uh

585
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 1: I think it was three points. I had to go

586
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: ninety four yards. You could really just feel the fans, uh,

587
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: the whole team just come together and will that drive together?

588
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: You know? And thinking about that, having a rich shard

589
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,719
Speaker 1: freshman who's really taking his first significant action as one

590
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: of the leaders on the team, what did you guys

591
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: do in the huddle to try and make him comfortable?

592
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: Is there anything you can do as a playmaker to

593
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: ease some of the burden on the quarterback. Yeah, just

594
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: try to make plays. Just go out there and just

595
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 1: try to be your best um whenever it's needed, and

596
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 1: just go out there and and not do too much,

597
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 1: um do too much, Just do things that you've done

598
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 1: in practice. Just make him comfortable, just make him feel

599
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: like it's a practice, and that's all you really can do.

600
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: So you might have been one injury away from you

601
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 1: taking some snaps, but that game as the as the

602
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 1: emergency quarterback. I want to go back to your high

603
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: school days where you were playing some quarterback here to

604
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: walk us through kind of your high school career. Uh.

605
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 1: Position you played, offense, you played in and then just

606
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: kind of tell us about that recruiting process for you

607
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: that wound up with you walking on at Clemson. Yeah,

608
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: it was an interesting story. So I grew up in

609
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: Myrtle Beach, went to so High school, UM, and we

610
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: ran the triple option. My dad was the coach up

611
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: until my my senior season, UM, and so I'd always

612
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: played I'd always played quarterback. UM. We try to put

613
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: one of the better athletes at quarterback to run the

614
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: triple option. UM. So I didn't really play receiver much.

615
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: I mean I played it growing up in the backyard.

616
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Speaker 1: And that's really where I learned for the most part,

617
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: just with cousins. I like to joke uh out in

618
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 1: the backyard. You don't get flags, you don't you don't

619
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: get this ort uh deal. So you gotta fight through it. Um,

620
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 1: And so when you go out there on Saturday, it's

621
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 1: a little easier. Uh. You get you get a flag

622
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: and now and then a call you on your way.

623
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Speaker 1: But now I was fun. Um came to Clemson as

624
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 1: a preferred walk on. Um. I remember being really upset.

625
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: I came to camp at Clemson after my junior season

626
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: and coach we offered me preferred walk on spot. And

627
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: I remember being upset and a little teara item the

628
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: way back home, UM, thinking that I deserved scholarship about

629
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: a hundred fifty pounds, just being upset and uh, but

630
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: I remember making decision on that car right home that

631
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 1: this could be a good thing. Um, I'll have to

632
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 1: earn it. Um, nothing's given and I'll just have to

633
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: go earn it every day. And I've kind of kept

634
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 1: that mentality with me over the year. Man, that mentality

635
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: is terrific. Um. How hard was the transition because going

636
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: from being an option quarterback to learn how to run

637
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: rouse and really learning how to be detailed and precise

638
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: on the perimeter. Um, did you lean on some of

639
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: the veterans that you were able to look at the

640
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: guys that had played the position, at Clemson before you,

641
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: because you guys are known as wille receiver. Year. Yeah,

642
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: I was surprised that it wasn't as hard as I

643
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: thought it was gonna be. Um, just because when I

644
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: tell you, I played a lot of backyard football growing up.

645
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: I mean every every day it seemed like I was

646
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: playing backyard football. So I knew how to get open.

647
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: I knew angles to take. Um. God bless me some

648
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: ability to kind of start and stop. Um. But some

649
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: guys in laying down with Adam Humphreys who plays for

650
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: the Bucks now, Um, he was number thirteen for me

651
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: at Clemson. Uh, and he was. He was a senior

652
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: when I read shirted, and he would always joke with

653
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: me and lead me astray tell me the team meetings

654
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: in a whole different building. Uh. But it was just

655
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: a relationship that I had, I valued, and uh just

656
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: taught me the nuances of the position. I got a

657
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,479
Speaker 1: chance to see when your former teammates Mike Williams every

658
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: week doing these Charger games, and man, the Clemson Bucky

659
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: mentioned it talking about wide receiver. You how competitive is

660
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: that position? Room? I mean, now I know you guys

661
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: put all these guys out in the NFL. But I

662
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: look at the roster guys you've got. Now someone am

663
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: pretty young, but man, the talent just keeps coming. What's

664
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: that room like? That competitive atmosphere in that receiver room?

665
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: It's competitive every day. I truly believe we have nine

666
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: or ten guys that can go out and start for

667
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: any a CEC school. Um. That's that's just just the

668
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: depth that we have. And and it shows in practice.

669
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: You can't take a practice day off, um, because you're

670
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: gonna get out work and you can get out competed. Um.

671
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: And so every day you got to bring it. And

672
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: if you bring in a practice, then the games, the

673
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: games just become that much more easy. You know one

674
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: guy who is kind of fascinated for me to watch

675
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: your head coach, Debo Sweeney. Uh is he always as

676
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: engaging and enthusiastic as he appears in interviews. What is

677
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: it like to play for a guy like Debo? He?

678
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: I think everyone would run run through a wall for him. Um,

679
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: he practices what he preaches. Um, he's exactly who he

680
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: says he is. He's always bringing that energy. Now, he'll

681
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: crawl you if you're not doing what's right. And in

682
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: his big things are effort and just doing what's right.

683
00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: And if if if you do those things, he want

684
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: a problem with you. But if not, then he'll get

685
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: into you pretty good. Um. But it's funny because so

686
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: his son is one of my roommates. Um, and we

687
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: actually live in coach when he's place, so I gotta

688
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: pay rent to him every every every month. So it's

689
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: actually a landlord to me too, which is kind of funny.

690
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: But but he's a He's an amazing, amazing person and

691
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: that and that's one thing what makes him such a

692
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: great coach is that he could go and and run

693
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: a business. Um, he could go be a pastor of church.

694
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: Just whatever he does, he's gonna be the best at it.

695
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: And um, he has that drive. I want to go

696
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: back to a play that you're gonna be known for

697
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: for your entire life. I mean, you're gonna be a

698
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: ninety year old and any time you're in the state

699
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: of South Carolina, you're not gonna have to pay for

700
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: breakfast because of the touchdown of the National Championship Game

701
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: from Deshaun Watson. Just take us through. We've we've talked

702
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: to Sean about it before, but we haven't got a

703
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: chance to visit with you, just to play call the

704
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: coverage and what you saw, and then just kind of

705
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: run us through that game winning touchdown there against Alabama. Yeah,

706
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: at all, it all, I mean, just the whole drive

707
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: and the last play. It all started with the preparation

708
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: of it. UM, the preparation of our our gas and

709
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: quality control. Just knowing that inside the five there are

710
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: man coverage. UM. So we knew that going in. And

711
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: also it was interesting because the first the first touchdown

712
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: we had in the spring game the previous spring was

713
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: that play, and so we started the season with it,

714
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: and that team ended the season with that play. UM

715
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: for a touchdown. UM. So it and and we run

716
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: it so many times over the course of the season.

717
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,239
Speaker 1: It was kind of a bread and butter play for us.

718
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: So we lined up and we we got exactly we

719
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: thought man coverage, UM, I think six seconds left, and

720
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: so we we have from the outside, we have a

721
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: corner route kind of coming in. If he if he

722
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: kind of gets a shoulder on the guy, fine, If not,

723
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: then then go run the corner for the zone beater. UM.

724
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: But it happened that that there dB Tony Brown went

725
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: over the top and I could slip underneath it and

726
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: we scored and uh, all of his all us his man.

727
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: That is terrific when you're able to take something in

728
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: practice and put it into play. Um, I want to

729
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: talk about the who threw the past and that Deshaun Watson.

730
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson last year took the NFL by storm. Uh.

731
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: Some people were surprised at how effective he was able

732
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: to be right away as a first year player. Have

733
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: him spent some time with Deshaun Watson any of his success,

734
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: uh surprise you? Is he that kind of leader, that

735
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: kind of player at all times? You're not surprised that

736
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: he was able to have that kind of success in

737
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: the Nation Football League. Yeah, not at all. I Mean

738
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: that's just a credit to how he prepares and how

739
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: he thinks. And and that's the big thing. Um, I

740
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: knew he was ready just because he's a super calm guy,

741
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: as a great demeanor, and he's boys and he's confident

742
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: and he's confident through his preparation and uh, and so

743
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: seeing what I saw last year, I mean that's Deshaun. Uh.

744
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: He plays the best in the biggest moments and he

745
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: was always excited to play in the NFL one thing.

746
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're aware of, but we uh,

747
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: you know, growing up in San Diego, we actually have

748
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,239
Speaker 1: a professional baseball team. Not many people know about it

749
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: because the potre has been relevant for so long. Uh

750
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: do you ever get confused for the Padres outfield er

751
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: Hunter renfro who You think he's got a bad player,

752
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: but I would guess maybe he has a four strikeout game.

753
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: You might get something nasty on on the social media

754
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: or something. You ever get confused there? Uh? Yeah, sometimes

755
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: sometimes in social media. But it's funny because I growing

756
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: up in South Calin he went in Mississippi State, and uh,

757
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: I grew up at Clemson Family. My high school baseball

758
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: coach took me to a South Carolina Mississippi State baseball

759
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: game when Hunter Renfrow was playing, UM, and I had

760
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: no clue. I didn't know who he was. I just

761
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: showed up at the game and I think he was.

762
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 1: I think he's an outfroder, but he's playing first base

763
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: maybe that game, and uh, it was just cool to

764
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: see and it's been cool. I've talked to him a

765
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: few times on social media to see it's cool to

766
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: see him kind of just see his career take off.

767
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: I never know, you never know how many Hunter infros

768
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna run into. Last question to me, and I'll

769
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: let Bucky finish it up here. Hunter. But man, uh

770
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: you know it breaks my heart. I'm excited for you.

771
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: You won a national championship, You've and a great player.

772
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: Was an experience you've had there. But as somebody who

773
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: played at Appalachian State to know that we were this close,

774
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: were this close to getting me up with the rock

775
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: up there, I feel like we finished second for a

776
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: couple of players like yourself. But just tell us, tell

777
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: us why you made that poor decision to go to

778
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: Appalachian State and go to Clemson. Uh yeah, like like

779
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 1: you said last and stayed with my second school. UM,

780
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: if I was gonna play both sports, I probably want

781
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: to app State and play baseball and football. UM had

782
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: a great relationship with the decordinator was one of my

783
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: dad's teammate Uh Nate Woody who's now at Georgia Tech.

784
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: UM coach Shatterfield was a great guy. Coach step who's

785
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: at Arkansas now. But Boom was a cool place. UM.

786
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: I think I was disclosed to letting them let me

787
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: go skiing on my official visit. So but just just

788
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: I felt like God wanted me at Clemson. Um, just

789
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,240
Speaker 1: do a lot of prayer and just seeing the leadership

790
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: with coach Sweeney and all the coaches here. Just let

791
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: me to Clemson. What one thing, because you talked about

792
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 1: the baseball background, how has being a multi sport player

793
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: coming up playing baseball, how has that helped you become

794
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: a better wide receiver in college? Yeah, it learns you

795
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: how to deal with different types of people. Um, that's

796
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: the biggest thing, because baseball players are nowhere near the

797
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 1: same type of person and football players. And so just

798
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: being able to to to kind of take all these

799
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: different types of people and and and add to the

800
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 1: team and just trying as a leader, just trying to

801
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: build a team and just trying to be a light. Um.

802
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 1: And as far as out there, so I played center field,

803
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: just taking angles on the ball. I'm just not running

804
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: on the heels of your of your feet because when

805
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: you do, the ball kind of moves a good bit. Um.

806
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 1: So in the summertime, I'll even track tennis balls, uh

807
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: to practice ride receiver because that that if you can

808
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: catch a tennis ball and then a football is a

809
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: lot bigger, it's a lot easier. I'll tell you what.

810
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: It's been a pleasure to visit with you. We've got

811
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: to your feature up on NFL dot com NFL dot

812
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: com uh slash hunter Renfro. You can check it out.

813
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 1: It's a great story that goes in much deeper detail

814
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: into your back round. UH couldn't be happier for you.

815
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: I told you I was done with questions, but I

816
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: gotta leave you with just one final question. As somebody

817
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: who grew up in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina and haven't

818
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: been down there, I know about the proliferation of miniature

819
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: golf courses, and I know you guys have miniature golf

820
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 1: there at Clemson. So are you the best mini golfer

821
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 1: on the Clemson football team? Yes or no? For sure? Yeah,

822
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: this this course here is a lot of easer, the

823
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 1: ones in Myrtle Beach. But yeah, I'll go home the

824
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: summertime and get a lot of practice so I can

825
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: beat up all all my friends here in the facility.

826
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: So there you have it. He is a great miniature golfer.

827
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: He's an even better wide receiver, and we have thoroughly

828
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 1: enjoyed get a chance to visit with you here. We

829
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: look forward to following you as you make that transition,

830
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: as all these Clemson wide receivers do from the college

831
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: level to the NFL level. We'll be seeing plenty more

832
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: of you along the journey. Hunter, thank you so much

833
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: for your time, buddy. Yeah, thanks for having me. Appreciate it. Guys, Buck,

834
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: I always love when we get a chance to visit

835
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: these college players, especially in the run up to the draft,

836
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: but it's a little bonus when we get to talk

837
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: to him during the college season. And could not be

838
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: more impressed, uh with that in right there, Hunter Renfro

839
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: very impressive, very impressive. UM like his road uh to

840
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: the top, as we will say, uh in college football

841
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 1: being a critical playmaker for the Clemson Tigers. I thought

842
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 1: he's had some interesting light on Debo Swinny and why

843
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: he feels um so strongly about playing for him. I

844
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: just think he's a very very nice kid playing in

845
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: a great program. Little Clemson has been one of the

846
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: top programs in college football in the last few years. Uh.

847
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: You can see why because they bring great kids into

848
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: the program. And for those that want to check out

849
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 1: that article again, Www. Dot NFL dot com slash Hunter

850
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: Renfro and last name r E n f r O

851
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 1: w Uh. You can check it out and it trust me,

852
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: it is a really cool piece of really neat kid

853
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: uh walk on who's gone on to be really a

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