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Speaker 1: July twenty seventh, nineteen ninety six, an anonymous caller caused

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Speaker 1: the dispatch of the Atlanta Police Department and in just

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Speaker 1: eleven words, changed the history of the Olympic Games. The

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Speaker 1: caller said, there's a bomb in Centennial Park. You have

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Speaker 1: thirty minutes, y'all. In reality, we had twenty two minutes

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Speaker 1: and the bomb exploded. It was a forty pound pipe bomb,

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Speaker 1: the largest in American history. It killed Alice Hawthorne, a

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Speaker 1: TV cameraman, and one hundred and eleven other victims. And

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Speaker 1: tonight on the Crime Roundup, me and Nancy are going

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Speaker 1: to talk about what we went through, starting at one

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Speaker 1: twenty five am. Nancy Grace, Welcome, Welcome.

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Speaker 2: I remember it like it was yesterday. Cheryl. I happened

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Speaker 2: to be at the Olympics at that time, exactly. Little

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Speaker 2: did I know that one day I would actually work

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Speaker 2: at CNNHLN. But I was right in front of the

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Speaker 2: building and I got a call on my cell to

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Speaker 2: report immediately to a certain building to start interviewing witnesses,

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Speaker 2: and everything was going mad. I remember first hearing. At

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Speaker 2: the time, I didn't know it was a bomb, but

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Speaker 2: I heard an explosion. I didn't know what it was,

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Speaker 2: and people were running. I still didn't know what had happened.

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Speaker 2: Then I got a call within minutes, had to be

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Speaker 2: under thirty minutes to go to an office. I can't remember.

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Speaker 2: It was Cheryl. I have to think really long and hard,

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Speaker 2: and I went there with my and met my long

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Speaker 2: time colleague and friend, Al Dixon. We immediately started interviewing witnesses.

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Speaker 2: We didn't even know really the extent of everything.

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Speaker 1: You know, you and I trained for years, and I

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Speaker 1: remember with the Crime Commission, they sent me to a

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Speaker 1: meeting and it was all the chiefs of police and

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Speaker 1: Chief Russell couldn't go. I went in his place, and

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Speaker 1: while we were all talking, I said, well, what are

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Speaker 1: we going to do if there's a mass disaster, even

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Speaker 1: a DUI bus crash of athletes or something that happens

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Speaker 1: in the village. And I said, you know, God forbid

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Speaker 1: something happens in Centennial Park, but I mean that would

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Speaker 1: be the obvious bulls eye. And they said, well, then

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Speaker 1: you're in charge of it. So now I had to

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Speaker 1: put together a crisis response team all over the state

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Speaker 1: of Georgia that could happen at any venue. And you

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Speaker 1: were so instrumental in helping that happen, all of the training,

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Speaker 1: anything we needed. You helped get the vest, you helped

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Speaker 1: get the cell phones. You know, helped us get everything

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Speaker 1: we needed.

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Speaker 2: I don't have a lot of talents, Cheryl. I think

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Speaker 2: we can all agree on that book. The memory, the

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Speaker 2: ability to remember facts, even minute facts about a case,

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Speaker 2: it just happens to be one thing I can do.

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Speaker 2: When I think about cases that I'm involved in personally,

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Speaker 2: like being there at the bomb and what time I

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Speaker 2: It's actually it's not fuzzy because it seems very clear,

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Speaker 2: but it just seems like it's all swirling around hearing

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Speaker 2: the bomb, not knowing what was going on, people running everywhere,

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Speaker 2: and knowing that something horrible had happened, but I didn't

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Speaker 2: know what and I was enough blocks away I couldn't

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Speaker 2: understand what had happened. And it was only when I

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Speaker 2: got the call I knew what had happened. When it's you,

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Speaker 2: when it's happening to you. I remember putting witnesses on

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Speaker 2: the stand a million times, Cheryl, and I'm like, what is.

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Speaker 1: Wrong with them?

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Speaker 2: Ant you they remember?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 2: They've told me their story a hundred times. When it's

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Speaker 2: you and you're on the seat, you're on the stand,

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Speaker 2: you have to tell what happened to you in that moment.

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Speaker 2: It's it's very disconcerting. Everything was like it's spinning around

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Speaker 1: Well, you know for us too. I was in the

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Speaker 1: had started ringing. Back then. I still had a home

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Speaker 1: whatever it was was bad. But what also resonated for me,

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Speaker 1: the games, but that were own duty that were still

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Speaker 2: Can I just say, right here, before I forget Cheryl McCollum,

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Speaker 2: that pos Eric Rudolph. Remember he wasn't done yet. He

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Speaker 2: then bombed an abortion clinic. Then he set it up

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Speaker 2: so and I had an investigator that raced to the

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Speaker 2: scene of the abortion clinic bombing, and then he had

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Speaker 1: That's right, that secondary device, and he did the same thing.

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Speaker 1: At the other side bombing, we had a rookie you

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Speaker 1: may remember this. He comes flying up parks right in

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Speaker 1: Like he hit the yellow tape and everything, and everybody's like,

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Speaker 1: You don't even know where to park your car, Like

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Speaker 1: this is an active situation. That car took twelve hundred

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Speaker 1: pounds of trapnel. That secondary device could have been disastrous

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Speaker 2: You know, when I look back on it, it's just

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Speaker 2: a swirl of pain and confusion. And even when al

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Speaker 2: who is if you'll recall Al Dickson trying cases much

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Speaker 2: more methodical, Well, let me not methodical even killed, because

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Speaker 2: I get mad during trials. I mean really mad and

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Speaker 2: and we were in there together and he was so calm,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, my mind was just spinning, just spinning

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Speaker 2: thinking about what all had happened. At that time, we

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Speaker 2: didn't know how many people were killed, and of course

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Speaker 2: suspicion turned on Richard Jewel, and I will never forget.

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Speaker 2: I think I was on GMA and you know, the FBI,

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Speaker 2: everybody who's looking at Jewel, and I said, well, okay,

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Speaker 2: it's never a good thing when the FEDS are picking

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Speaker 2: through you're trash in your backyard. And people latched onto

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Speaker 2: that and insist, insisted. I said Jewel was guilty. That's

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Speaker 2: not true. It was just one of several suspects, and

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Speaker 2: we all knew that. But of course, when you know

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Speaker 2: you're in a two minute segment, you can't really get

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Speaker 2: that deeply into everything. But I always suspected. I mean,

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Speaker 2: when you looked at Richard Jewell, you know he played

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Speaker 2: him long and hard, but it didn't feel right. That's

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Speaker 2: all I knew about Richard Jewell. I trusted the FBI

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Speaker 2: had a reason for looking at him, but it didn't

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Speaker 2: feel right. From the beginning, Eric Rudolph felt right.

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Speaker 1: One and again, when you're taking this profile from this expert,

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Speaker 1: make something fit. It should never feel that way. It

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Speaker 1: should be this is our guy. And here's why. He's

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Speaker 1: got similar pipes in his basement. He's got wires, he's

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Speaker 1: got the black electrical tape. He had the same clock.

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Speaker 1: There's a receipt where he bought the backpack that was

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Speaker 1: never Richard Jewel. They never had that. They said, well,

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Speaker 1: So did I, so did everybody, so did everybody. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Deep deep trouble. But looking back on it, and look

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Speaker 2: thinking now about what's happening in Paris, they're getting ready.

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Speaker 2: They were expecting fifteen million people to be there. I

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Speaker 2: to come. They have completely closed down the river Sand

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Speaker 2: the Eiffel Tower, and it cuts through the whole city.

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Speaker 2: It's all. You can't walk along it and for blocks

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Speaker 2: You have to get special permission to break through a

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Speaker 2: two weeks to prepare for the Olympics. It's very wise

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Speaker 2: of them, very wise. But can we talk about Eric

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Speaker 2: Rudolf for a moment to leave, because it gets me very,

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Speaker 2: very emotional and upset to remember that night and Alan

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Speaker 2: and I were plugging a ray until oh gosh, I

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Speaker 2: still still going, still trying to figure out what happened.

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Speaker 2: And at that time we didn't even know the extent

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Speaker 2: of what had happened. Eric Rudolph was one mean, soob

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Speaker 2: absolutely he was such a loaner. Many people thought that

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Speaker 2: the poster boy for loaner Nancy.

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Speaker 1: He spent weeks in the nande Hae La forest by

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Speaker 2: Wait wait wait, wait wait, wait, back it up, back

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Speaker 2: it up. Me at Manuals, you were having dinner, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I just want to be clear. I was not bellied

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Speaker 2: up to the bar like some people who shall remain nameless.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm a ta timer. Don't even start putting

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, you were there having dinner. We were

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Speaker 1: all exhausted. They opened the doors for us. We're all there,

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Speaker 1: this is not a slam. I'm painting a picture so

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Speaker 1: you understand what's happening. They're all on ATVs and they're

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Speaker 1: bottle water and bug spray, and it might even have

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Speaker 1: been Al Dixon, but one of the men I know

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Speaker 1: it was a man that could have been Al or

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Speaker 1: Jim Birch. They basically were like, they are never gonna

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Speaker 1: find him. He has been in that forest by himself

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Speaker 1: since he was a child.

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Speaker 2: He could smell that bug repellent a mile away.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. They go in there smelling like Walmart.

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Speaker 1: It's a joke. He doesn't need bug spray, he doesn't

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Speaker 1: then you remember all the pies that missing and occasionally

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Speaker 1: are saying a word. Those mountain folks, honey. They were

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Speaker 1: going to keep that secret and help him get away

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Speaker 1: from quote the government. But you know, I just remember again,

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Speaker 1: you know, that night and then when Alice Hawthorne was killed,

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Speaker 1: her own and is just doing remarkable. But that night, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: They didn't even have tickets for a game. And then

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Speaker 1: And that's what happened to him.

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Speaker 2: And remember when Rudolph played guilty, he was defiant. He

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Speaker 2: had no remorse, no regrets, nothing, nothing, And for what

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Speaker 2: he had no ideology. He borrowed ideas from various places.

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Speaker 2: He was basically anti government, anti abortion, anti gay, anti

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Speaker 2: a lot of things. And the bombings came from his

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Speaker 2: consumed with hate, hate, And I pray to God, I

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Speaker 2: pray to God that these Olympics remain safe that are

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Speaker 2: about to go down in Paris. Right now. I got

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Speaker 2: to tell you something, you know, Cheryl, Normally I laugh

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Speaker 2: so much when you and I talk because we are

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Speaker 2: fighting crime to this day, and we have fought crime

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Speaker 2: for a really long time. But thinking back on that

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Speaker 2: night at the Olympics just brings me nothing but pain,

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Speaker 2: Nothing but pain.

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Speaker 1: I agree, But I'm going to end on a funny story.

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Speaker 2: Anyhow, good go ahead. So I'm sure it's a big,

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Speaker 2: tall tailed translation, Lie, it is fantastic.

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Speaker 1: So after the other side bombing, they decided, hey, we've

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Speaker 1: got to put people under cover at all these bars.

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Speaker 2: So you did's your part and volunteered.

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Speaker 1: Right showed in. So me and Leslie Bailey were sent

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Speaker 1: my goodness, so they pick us. I mean, we have

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Speaker 1: both been with our significant others our whole life. Like, okay,

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Speaker 1: why don't y'all actually pick I don't know gay officers

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Speaker 1: we volunteer, we go out. So we're at a bar

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Speaker 1: trying to pretend we're a couple. You would have died

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Speaker 1: laughing if you had seen us.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what bar the herefic?

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Speaker 1: I don't even know if I should name it, because

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Speaker 1: here's the deal. Listen, here's what happened. Leslie's trying to act,

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Speaker 1: everybody knows I could do better than you, you know,

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Speaker 1: be silly. Well about that time Pat coach Alone, you know, Pat,

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Speaker 1: she walks up and she's like, what are y'all doing?

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Speaker 1: Like it was the most obvious that we did not

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Speaker 2: That was the story. That's you're takeaway from the Olympic bombing.

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Speaker 2: That was it.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'm just saying, you know, Pat, here we're working

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Speaker 1: undercover and Pat coach Alone walks up like this ain't working.

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Speaker 1: Everybody knows y'all are not gay, and y'all don't blog here.

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Speaker 1: You know what.

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Speaker 2: All we can do now is pray. Right, all we

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Speaker 2: can do now is pray. I agree, and we've lived

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Speaker 2: to fight another day. Right on, bye, buddy.

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Speaker 1: I'm Cheryl McCollum and this is the crime round Up

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Speaker 1: with zones Have It