Speaker 1: Thank you for your coming back. Part two is underway.
Speaker 1: But what.
Speaker 2: Why is it that I'm like you said, you had
Speaker 2: people that you were cool with until you started making money,
Speaker 2: until million dollars worth of game took off, and then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, as long as we right here,
Speaker 2: Gilly and Wallow right here and everybody else right here,
Speaker 2: we cool. Heydt by dog while on Gilly go here,
Speaker 2: they still there.
Speaker 1: While Gilly go here and you go here, you go here.
Speaker 3: Man, I hate no, not just that people don't understand. First.
Speaker 3: Once the money's cut off, then it's the time you
Speaker 3: don't kick it with me no more. You fake no, bro,
Speaker 3: It wasn't about me kicking, which is about the money.
Speaker 3: Sometimes it be that, but a lot of times new levels,
Speaker 3: new devils. Man, You understand, this is a year, real deep.
Speaker 3: A lot of things change. When you build an infrastructure,
Speaker 3: there's gonna be people that's gonna be like, man, shan
Speaker 3: I need you to do I can't do that right now.
Speaker 3: I'm building my stuff because people stop stopping, stop worrying
Speaker 3: about what you got. Personally, you don't have the people
Speaker 3: that hit you up. You all right, ainything cool, You're
Speaker 3: taking rest.
Speaker 1: You know what.
Speaker 3: I mean, you're eating right, what's going on? How you
Speaker 3: you don't have it no more? It just be about
Speaker 3: paper sometimes. And I ain't saying anybody about that, but
Speaker 3: that shit get lonely because now you become sometimes you
Speaker 3: can become paranoid because out here everybody want to live
Speaker 3: that lifestyle. Social media sees.
Speaker 1: You got yeah, because I mean, I don't believe it.
Speaker 2: They say six percent of only six percent of Americans
Speaker 2: make over us make six figure. I say, man, everybody,
Speaker 2: every profile I go on on ig making six figure,
Speaker 2: that's a lie.
Speaker 1: It's deep. I think it more like ninety percent making
Speaker 1: six figure. Its gotta be on. It's deep.
Speaker 2: It's deep, or somebody lied. I mean either either a
Speaker 2: the economists or no.
Speaker 3: The problem is people don't know how to prioritize. What
Speaker 3: people would do is they'll be spending outside of their
Speaker 3: means and then they want somebody else to take care
Speaker 3: of the responsibility. That's the that's the game we live
Speaker 3: in People would do anything for a picture man to
Speaker 3: take that picture and post Yes, why you.
Speaker 2: Go rind of three four five hundred dollars just to
Speaker 2: rental car like the flaw or go spend a thousand
Speaker 2: dollar to get on a private jet.
Speaker 1: No good will. You know why they do that?
Speaker 3: Wallow, Yeah, you spend all that money where you could
Speaker 3: have just jumped in and got a uh got a
Speaker 3: nice ticket for nine hundred dollars the first class man
Speaker 3: them private jets to me because that little area, the
Speaker 3: little excuse me, the flight of see I went some
Speaker 3: of Cranberrge. Do you see.
Speaker 2: Now that you would come into some money so you're comfortable,
Speaker 2: You're beyond comfortable. What is the first thing when you
Speaker 2: got some money? You're like, damn, what's the first thing
Speaker 2: you bought?
Speaker 3: I was in my you know, it was crazy. I
Speaker 3: didn't even realize it because it was so unreal. I
Speaker 3: was driving in my uh I tested my uh uh
Speaker 3: PRIs yep, you know about that. That's my baby driving
Speaker 3: in that thing. And I was driving from Atlantic City
Speaker 3: to Baltimore and uh a PRIs.
Speaker 1: Yeah. How long did you take your day? No?
Speaker 3: Bro ho one thing about the price one of the
Speaker 3: best cars in the world, a PRIs fifty seven miles
Speaker 3: per gawn. I had no unbelievable one of the one
Speaker 3: of the smoothest cars I drive. That's how I came
Speaker 3: up being Gill. We used to be in a priest,
Speaker 3: went it back and forth to New York, bought all
Speaker 3: that stuff.
Speaker 1: But go to you, fad, No, we don't.
Speaker 3: That's a lot. Prince is one of the best cars
Speaker 3: that I ever had in my life. I'm talking about
Speaker 3: this smooth, it's straight to the point, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean? It was. It was just great prius high
Speaker 3: at me. But but what I'm saying is, I'm driving
Speaker 3: the DOCU sign come across for the dreamt sign. It
Speaker 3: I'm just driving. I forgot about it, man, And then
Speaker 3: it was like me and the Gil was in land.
Speaker 3: That's when I first caught COVID. Right, I caught the COVID.
Speaker 3: I ain't know what it was. I was just in
Speaker 3: atlant I was sweating in the bed all night. I
Speaker 3: woke up and I don't know what. I just checked
Speaker 3: my account to she Shine. I fell out the bed.
Speaker 3: I was like, damn. The first thing I thought about,
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna hold I said, I gotta.
Speaker 1: Put some money up the little box.
Speaker 3: And shit, right, they're always hitting people off. Grandma Mom
Speaker 3: hit people off and stuff like that. But it was like,
Speaker 3: I ain't even know what to do with it. Man,
Speaker 3: because I'm like, damn, people come and luckily. A couple
Speaker 3: of months later, I called one of my advisors, John
Speaker 3: Miranda shout out the world wide west Man, plug me
Speaker 3: up with John Man, shout out to uncle west too Man.
Speaker 3: I called him. I said, listen, what's up with taxes man?
Speaker 3: How did that go? He said, come to my office. Well,
Speaker 3: I went to his office. He said, I'm gonna get anything.
Speaker 3: He called me like a couple of days later, I
Speaker 3: almost crashed my car. I said, you mean to tell
Speaker 3: me that I gotta give somebody name saying all this money,
Speaker 3: I don't even know them what I was I was.
Speaker 3: I was so mad at John. I'm sorry. John was mad.
Speaker 3: He knew I was mad because any type. He called
Speaker 3: me and I was like, what John? Every time I
Speaker 3: seen this number, I got scared because I'm like, I'm like, hey,
Speaker 3: y'all get these people all this money? He said, you
Speaker 3: gotta take it now, we gotta we gonna take it
Speaker 3: down and put it up. Make sure we're gonna pay early.
Speaker 3: That's how you know you get real money when you
Speaker 3: gotta pay quarters. Oh yeah yeah. So I'm like I'm
Speaker 3: in the car. I'm just holding my heart. And anything.
Speaker 3: I'm just laying there like I had a heart attack.
Speaker 3: I ain't know what I was like George Jefferson because
Speaker 3: I'm like all this money, so you know, but your
Speaker 3: friend and all that, so and so. Then it was like, man,
Speaker 3: you buy a ship, man, you buy shit, you do
Speaker 3: your thing. Then it's like you bought anything out, you
Speaker 3: did anything, You got a watch, you got all this stuff.
Speaker 3: It's just it don't mean it like I ain't evenna front.
Speaker 3: I only look at the money. No more like that.
Speaker 3: I'm more excited about just getting a deal and just
Speaker 3: negotiating shit. That's forgetting me, just to see that I've
Speaker 3: done it and to show that I really everything that
Speaker 3: I educated myself on is working. But I don't really
Speaker 3: care about money like that.
Speaker 1: What's the dating life life? Now? Uh?
Speaker 3: Dating is Dayton could be real easy and it could
Speaker 3: be real hard because you're a meal ticket out this
Speaker 3: joint and a lot of people is looking at you
Speaker 3: like that. But that's that's always been easy for me,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. But I ain't date when
Speaker 3: I was broke.
Speaker 1: Why not?
Speaker 3: Man, I ain't remember one time Gil called me right,
Speaker 3: I'm in the crib right and two to his wife.
Speaker 3: They laughed, I ain't know she I ain't know. He
Speaker 3: was on speakerphone. So he said, damn, what you doing?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 3: Ready going to date? Real quick?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 3: He said, damn where you going?
Speaker 1: Right here?
Speaker 3: I'm on this computer.
Speaker 1: Man going on the date.
Speaker 3: Man, I got a little little X and xx y.
Speaker 3: I'm she like, what well are you? So when I
Speaker 3: first came home, I used to shake the dice a lot.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, You're gonna shake my dice
Speaker 3: because it was like, man, you need money to date
Speaker 3: and all that shit. Yeah, And he was like, man,
Speaker 3: you I said, no, bro, I ain't got time to
Speaker 3: be sitting on nobody's face when I got to get
Speaker 3: my life together. See, I'm one of them boards as extreamist.
Speaker 3: I gotta get my paper together, just like I tell
Speaker 3: my nephews. Listen, nephew, get your money focused on yourself
Speaker 3: to one of your twenties. Run it up, get your
Speaker 3: credit together, get all the stuff so when you're your
Speaker 3: forties you can live the greatest life of your life. Yes,
Speaker 3: but dating is easy, man, And that's that ain't that's man,
Speaker 3: It ain't. You ain't got to do too much.
Speaker 1: You want kids?
Speaker 3: I got a kid from my old relationship, right, my
Speaker 3: ex fiance I took on day day I love you
Speaker 3: day ding, I took on her and adopted her. Senter
Speaker 3: to college.
Speaker 1: Wow, she graduated too. I mean.
Speaker 3: I think about it sometimes in there, like have another
Speaker 3: you know, But I ain't in no rush you want
Speaker 3: to get married. I don't know yet. I don't believe
Speaker 3: you know. I don't know if that you know? Can
Speaker 3: I be honest with you?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Separating with my paper man. I thought I was married
Speaker 3: to my paper man. Yeah, I'm sorry, man, I'm just saying,
Speaker 3: do we gotta get married? Can I just say, listen,
Speaker 3: all right, listen, this is what we're gonna do. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna take care of you to life stop for you.
Speaker 3: I got you. But I don't need nobody coming into
Speaker 3: the courtroom talking about date, talking about this that and
Speaker 3: the third man I talked about my paper man. I'm
Speaker 3: just I'm just being straight up because I got a
Speaker 3: lot of I got people I got to take care of. Yes,
Speaker 3: and you just gonna come and knock because you're gonna
Speaker 3: sign this this But I don't even it's deep, man,
Speaker 3: But but I you know, commitment, I ain't got no
Speaker 3: problem with commitment.
Speaker 1: Childhood. What is your childhood like?
Speaker 3: Man, I'm gonna tell you something. Man, I had a
Speaker 3: crazy childhood, man, because I ain't want to listen mom,
Speaker 3: great mom, great Grandmam. But I was so impressionable, man,
Speaker 3: I ain't really. I don't even think I had a childhood,
Speaker 3: to be honest with you, because I was always institutions.
Speaker 3: I got locked up June thirty of nineteen ninety. I
Speaker 3: was eleven years old for a couple of days, and
Speaker 3: then I went on to spend five years with Juvee. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I spent five years in the juvenile system. Then I
Speaker 3: got locked up and got the nineteen had twenty five,
Speaker 3: I mean nineteen and a half to fifty two years.
Speaker 3: So at the end of the day, I spent more time.
Speaker 1: Inside hol hold up hood Up?
Speaker 3: Did I catch up? I spent I did twenty five.
Speaker 3: I'm forty five. No, I ain't catch up yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I spent more time in the sal than I did
Speaker 3: the free world.
Speaker 1: You named after your father Wallace Junior.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Wallace Roundstree. No, I ain't a junior. His name
Speaker 3: was Wallace Rowntree. My name Wallace People's.
Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask you this did. What type of
Speaker 1: relationship did you have with your father?
Speaker 3: I just remember my father. He disappeared like around boring
Speaker 3: seventy nine, probably like eighty one. We never knew what happened.
Speaker 1: Is he alive.
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's alive.
Speaker 1: He never so, you guys have never reconnected. You have
Speaker 1: you tried?
Speaker 2: Have you tried to find out what happened to where
Speaker 2: he is? Are you okay? Are you cool with not reconnecting?
Speaker 3: No, we thought he was.
Speaker 1: He thought he was.
Speaker 3: Uh, we think he did, but we don't know. But
Speaker 3: I would like to have it. I would like to
Speaker 3: kick it with him. I'm not the one that hold on.
Speaker 3: If I see that nigga today, I'd be like, dag,
Speaker 3: what's up?
Speaker 1: Man? Would you know what he looked like? If you
Speaker 1: saw it?
Speaker 3: I think I would. I think we'll connect, He'll probably
Speaker 3: if you're watching me out there. I love to just
Speaker 3: kick it with him. I ain't got time to be
Speaker 3: holding on to what happened. It didn't happen. Wow, what's up?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: And you know I'll just kick it with he. Make
Speaker 3: sure you see my sisters and brothers and go from there.
Speaker 1: What about your mom Oh my mom.
Speaker 3: Right she right there, my mom. I'm gonna be watching this.
Speaker 1: My mom.
Speaker 3: Let me let me see what Jackie Money called Jackie
Speaker 3: real quick. Man, she gonna be like you're on shake shake.
Speaker 1: She know what I mean.
Speaker 3: My mom might say something to you.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: I don't know what she might say because she oh man,
Speaker 3: let me call my mom. Man, let me see because
Speaker 3: she's something else. This is gonna be deep.
Speaker 1: Now. You know she ain't busy.
Speaker 3: Noah, she gonna answer watch this. She'd be ready. She
Speaker 3: will so she kn'ta be like she better if she
Speaker 3: don't answer this joint.
Speaker 1: What's up? Mom?
Speaker 3: Look you know him?
Speaker 1: Yes, ma'am. How you doing? I'm doing amazing?
Speaker 2: How are you?
Speaker 3: How you put your sexy voice?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 3: I told you when I'll be calling you don't be
Speaker 3: pusying yourself.
Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am. How are you today? Your son dropping knowledge
Speaker 2: on us? He got he does a great interview. I'm
Speaker 2: watching the twenty seventeen egos because you know they're.
Speaker 3: Gonna kick Hey mom, Hey mom, I told you this
Speaker 3: will hold up. I told you by putting your sexy
Speaker 3: voice on when I call you with people, you did that.
Speaker 3: You did that with d I don't do that.
Speaker 1: Don't do that.
Speaker 3: You did that with Prime till you tell me, hey
Speaker 3: shaying it? I know what you I know how you play.
Speaker 3: I know what's it's the difference with Prime.
Speaker 1: Don't get it twisted.
Speaker 3: Or you liked that activated he had in his head?
Speaker 3: You like you used to like the balls with Jerry
Speaker 3: Curls back in the day. Who was the bull you
Speaker 3: was talking to with the Jerry curl when I was young,
Speaker 3: he had the Jerry curll used to spray the activated.
Speaker 3: Yes you did, Mom, I thought, you know why you
Speaker 3: know you listen? You know I told Gil that you
Speaker 3: was talking to random cutting hand because it was a
Speaker 3: dude that looked like random Cuddy here. But Gills on
Speaker 3: everything I love the only reason don't listen. Don't listen
Speaker 3: on every day. I loved Gill. See he wasn't no
Speaker 3: random cutting hen because he was walking. He left the crib.
Speaker 3: He was walking. I said, man that my mom was
Speaker 3: talking a ring. All right, man, whatever, alright, camera Mom
Speaker 3: say hi to the camera. Mam, say mom, not the camera,
Speaker 3: just say how to shave shape? People see you always
Speaker 3: trying to get you, always try to get right. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna call you mom, when'm out here, let me handle
Speaker 3: this all right, love you, I'm gonna call you all right.
Speaker 3: I got you, man, I know I got you. Look
Speaker 3: see she gets started. She like he's going, but I
Speaker 3: got it.
Speaker 1: Whatever. You were really close to your grandmother. I was
Speaker 1: really close to my grandmother.
Speaker 3: Whoo Nanny, Yes, Nanny special man Nanny. And you say
Speaker 3: she's ninety, right, Nanny ninety, Nanny the matriarch. She holds
Speaker 3: the family down. She was something special. Nanny is different though,
Speaker 3: Nanny notter the ninety. Do you think I caught nanny?
Speaker 3: Nanny was up baby, where you at? I'm downtown moving
Speaker 3: and growl and said, old Nanny. Did you drive down there?
Speaker 1: Wallace?
Speaker 3: Why would I drive down? I can't put listen? So Nanny,
Speaker 3: you caught the sub down there?
Speaker 1: Yeah? What you think?
Speaker 3: I remember by one time? I said, Nanny, just sit down.
Speaker 3: Why you ain't got to I get you o. She said, Baby,
Speaker 3: all my friends that stopped moving, stop moving. I can't
Speaker 3: stop moving.
Speaker 1: They died.
Speaker 3: So she's now when she'll walk in here. I just
Speaker 3: got some first new balance. She's like, boy, go get
Speaker 3: me some new balances. I want some. I said, all right,
Speaker 3: you know she'd be moving. But that's my baby.
Speaker 2: Do you think there's a problem like community, because there's
Speaker 2: a lot of talk that they're not enough black powerful
Speaker 2: man to raise out black young black men. And there's
Speaker 2: a lot of grandmothers and mothers assuming that role of
Speaker 2: taking on that role.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of levels man. Section eight. It's a
Speaker 3: lot of things that broke it up, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean? Broke it up, man, And a lot of
Speaker 3: things that broke up the household. And you know the
Speaker 3: problem is, shann I ain't gonna hold you man. We
Speaker 3: think we don't need each other. That's our whole problem
Speaker 3: is an ego. It's so we think we could do
Speaker 3: everything by ourself, yes, and it's like we can't do
Speaker 3: it by yourself. I can't do it by myself. You
Speaker 3: ain't doing this? Is not if they knew all the
Speaker 3: stuff that goes on for this to happen, if they
Speaker 3: knew everything that went on for you to become the
Speaker 3: man that you are today. I just think I think
Speaker 3: we beef too much to black women and brothers. We
Speaker 3: just always find a way not to deal with each other.
Speaker 3: But the way it's just not like each other to
Speaker 3: be mad at each other and it's like, it ain't
Speaker 3: that deep. We gotta be here for the babies, right,
Speaker 3: I just think we just gotta work it out on
Speaker 3: some type of way and stop looking at Instagram and
Speaker 3: think everybody swear they could do that shit by themself.
Speaker 3: I'm not here by myself. I got a team, right,
Speaker 3: I got people that believe in me, and that's the
Speaker 3: whole thing. But everything, you know, raising a kid is
Speaker 3: very important. I don't think you could do it. Nobody
Speaker 3: could do that by therself.
Speaker 2: You know what was what led you to first become
Speaker 2: you a juvie at nine? I think you first came
Speaker 2: in contact with the authority at the age of nine.
Speaker 1: What what? What? What did you do?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: Robbery?
Speaker 3: Snatch some snatching? Jury. I wanted to be Shannon. I
Speaker 3: wanted to be a criminal because that's the only people
Speaker 3: that got respect in the neighborhood. I told you the
Speaker 3: story about like them, the only people that got respect
Speaker 3: of the crown game. And when I seen people come
Speaker 3: on from the penitentiary, the love they was getting, it
Speaker 3: was like damn, Like they get more loved to the
Speaker 3: people that come on from college. So I needed to
Speaker 3: be somewhere in that ecosystem. Of dumb stuff, but I
Speaker 3: didn't understand what it was because I'm just a kid,
Speaker 3: and I'm impressionable and I'm trying to be down.
Speaker 2: So at nine, you go you you you basically now,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you in juvie.
Speaker 1: Was that the first time? Was that the first time?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the first time I was in jevy
Speaker 3: that year they sent me away for a year, But
Speaker 3: that was the first time. June thirty of nineteen ninety
Speaker 3: was the first time I got arrested, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean? And it was it was just it was
Speaker 3: a roll that I never got. It was like this
Speaker 3: was it was like I was being prepared each step
Speaker 3: for the penitentiary.
Speaker 1: Right, what do you remember a boy, Julie, because you're eleven.
Speaker 2: You say you're eleven, You go in for five years,
Speaker 2: so you got five years to think about.
Speaker 3: No, No, I ain't going for exactly five year. I
Speaker 3: did five in and out, in and out probas like
Speaker 3: you understand this. Since June thirty of nineteen ninety, all
Speaker 3: the way up until December, like twenty first, twenty twenty four,
Speaker 3: I'd never been out of the system. I'd never been
Speaker 3: off probation, parole, like from that Jay June thirty, nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety Listen, I just got parton. Shout out to the
Speaker 3: great Governor of Pennsylvania, Josh Shapiro. I just got parted.
Speaker 3: I was supposed to be on parole to twenty and
Speaker 3: forty eight. He just partned me because I got since
Speaker 3: in nineteen and a half the fifty two years I
Speaker 3: did the twenty came home and I still had to
Speaker 3: walk all the way into like like eight forty eight.
Speaker 3: Like listen, I'm so used to being in the system
Speaker 3: that when I was coming down here, I always kept
Speaker 3: I found myself texting my parole agent, like listen, I
Speaker 3: got to you know, boom boo boom, and I forgot
Speaker 3: that I was off parole because I'm so used to
Speaker 3: being on them. I forgot that I was off papers. Wow,
Speaker 3: because I've never been off papers. So you got to
Speaker 3: think about it. I've been through this whole process since
Speaker 3: that day the.
Speaker 2: Red School of psychologists and councilors labeled you criminal minded.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you a kid. But these the people that look
Speaker 3: over our lives, that don't come from our community, that
Speaker 3: don't know us and don't care to know us. They
Speaker 3: just did to hear you out, I'm a kid, but
Speaker 3: this is this is what they dmi. I don't know,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know where they at, but I
Speaker 3: know where I'm at.
Speaker 1: Were you og in your neighborhood?
Speaker 3: Never was I og?
Speaker 1: No? I never.
Speaker 3: I never reached the level. I was always a kid.
Speaker 2: So you didn't get a chance to get that status
Speaker 2: because by the time you like, how old were you
Speaker 2: when you got incarcerated?
Speaker 3: Eleven? The first time when you went to prison. When
Speaker 3: I went to prison, I was seventeen. They certified me
Speaker 3: as an adult. So what did you do on robbery?
Speaker 3: So it wasn't enough to just snatch You had to
Speaker 3: go in there with that piece. Yeah, because the peace
Speaker 3: changed the game. I ain't but my stepfather shused to
Speaker 3: tell me from the jail, don't mess with that piece.
Speaker 3: It changes because that piece, that piece changed everything. Who
Speaker 3: that piece changed everything, you know, and that changed anything
Speaker 3: for me. But uh, Channing, it just was a lot
Speaker 3: of I wanted to be down, man. The average person
Speaker 3: in the street game wanted to be down, and they're
Speaker 3: afraid to be themselves. They not no leader. Everybody told
Speaker 3: me you're not no leader. You ain't dose shit. What
Speaker 3: did you start new crime been here before we existed.
Speaker 3: The average person is impressionable. I was impressionable. I wanted
Speaker 3: to be down. I didn't realize that I wasn't built
Speaker 3: like that til I got to the penitentiary and realized
Speaker 3: that I was in prison for being something that I'm not.
Speaker 3: I said, man, what I'm really not even built like that.
Speaker 2: You got seventeen, you got sent away for twenty years.
Speaker 2: When you woke up that day, tell me if you
Speaker 2: can remember while, tell me when you got up that day,
Speaker 2: whether the typical day age morning got up, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know if your grandma, your mom cooked breakfast
Speaker 2: or something. So what was different about that day? When
Speaker 2: did you decide to do what you were going to do?
Speaker 3: No? No, that day when I got you're talking about
Speaker 3: the big bit. What happened was I kept getting away
Speaker 3: with other robberies. I was already doing robberies.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: I used to hit.
Speaker 1: I used to hit.
Speaker 3: I ain't never regular people. I used to hit establishments,
Speaker 3: all those regular joints, going there, get the manager to
Speaker 3: open up to save for the weekly earned, usually be fifteen, twenty.
Speaker 1: Five or whatever.
Speaker 3: So I already was getting away with it. So the
Speaker 3: day that I did that was just a normal day
Speaker 3: of me doing it. It's just that day day I
Speaker 3: got caught. So I thought I was invincible because I'm
Speaker 3: making some money. I'm like, man, I'm making some What
Speaker 3: are you doing with the money? Nothing? Just buying a
Speaker 3: bunch of dumb stuff, buying clothes, gambling? Uh, giving money
Speaker 3: away to the homies? My all that type shit.
Speaker 2: Bro, you running too the status. They chased you for
Speaker 2: ten blocks, They hit you with the car, they take you.
Speaker 2: You couldn't run no faster than that. No, send the
Speaker 2: comp catch you with all that girl. He got a ball,
Speaker 2: he got a gun. He gotta know what happened once.
Speaker 2: What happened was, Man, that adrenaline hit.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: I wasn't in a good getaway.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: I thought I was gonna be like I thought it
Speaker 3: was like the movies and shit, I was gonna jump
Speaker 3: over a car and man, that shit ain't work.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: And they came from anywhere. I was like, damn, where
Speaker 3: they where you come from? Cuff me up, through me behind,
Speaker 3: it threw me in the joint. I was like, Damn,
Speaker 3: I'm thinking I'm gonna get about it. I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: a juvenile.
Speaker 1: You juviet your seventeen year, they're gonna try to I got.
Speaker 3: To that district and the lady said, he understands third.
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, you're gonna go up you gotta they said.
Speaker 3: She said, yeah, You're gonna go up to the State Road.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I'm going to U study said, why
Speaker 3: am I going to State Road? Oh no, that's where
Speaker 3: they sent a juveniles just certified as adult.
Speaker 1: Who who who you talking about?
Speaker 3: But where I'm not no doubt, I'm a kid now,
Speaker 3: I'm a kid. She had my life changed that day.
Speaker 3: I said, oh shit, they sent me to the big house.
Speaker 3: But they put me with the other juveniles. So I
Speaker 3: had to have a hearing to get decertified. When I
Speaker 3: go to get de certified, Denise Leerto, this was an
Speaker 3: habitual offender probation officer that I had my whole my
Speaker 3: whole juvenile time. There's a certain unit because I always
Speaker 3: always got locked up.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: She walked in that courtroom. H I think she was
Speaker 3: an FBI agent by then, and she talked about me
Speaker 3: in that courtroom like, yeah, I think it's the juvenile
Speaker 3: system can't serve him any good. I don't think he
Speaker 3: needs to be going back that way. What I was like, Damn, Man,
Speaker 3: I went in that show that day and cried.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: I was like, damn, I want to be a boy again.
Speaker 3: I want to be a kid again. He said, no,
Speaker 3: we're gonna deem you adult. And then then I knew
Speaker 3: I was gonna get real prison time. That's when it
Speaker 3: got real. Shanning, we scared. Listen. I was shaking like
Speaker 3: a leaf in a windstorm. I was scared to death
Speaker 3: because I'm thinking about the movies. I'm thinking about I'm
Speaker 3: a little, small little guy. What I'm gonna do. I'm
Speaker 3: telling me. I was scared, like I'm talking about, scared
Speaker 3: team to death. It was a different type of fear.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Yes, you mentioned that you didn't take a shower with anyone,
Speaker 2: and you wore boxes.
Speaker 3: Y'all wore boxes. When I went down there, I didn't
Speaker 3: know it was a gun show. I go down there,
Speaker 3: everybody you know like like y'all locker rooms. Yet y'all
Speaker 3: locker rooms is like PENITENTI I didn't know. Yeah, y'all
Speaker 3: be on some shit and that sports joint. Y'all button
Speaker 3: neckd ass. Now, come on, man, y'all on the same thing.
Speaker 3: As a penitition. So I'll go down there and got
Speaker 3: a boxing on. They're looking at me, like, what you doing?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 3: It was just scared then that day I told like
Speaker 3: I told Charlton, and I said, man, I realized the
Speaker 3: shower wasn't that important. After that, I could just wash
Speaker 3: up in my saint for a while, so I get
Speaker 3: use to this going down there. Right, it was scary, man,
Speaker 3: I was scared to death.
Speaker 2: Shannon, you met your day. Did you get in any
Speaker 2: fights in prison?
Speaker 1: Nah?
Speaker 3: I never got in a fight in prison because I
Speaker 3: was too scared to get in a fight, meaning I
Speaker 3: wasn't I wouldn't make no confrontation. I'm not doing no
Speaker 3: damn shit for what for what?
Speaker 1: There ain't nobody try you. I thought you had to
Speaker 1: fight like No.
Speaker 3: It ain't like that. Ain't nobody gonna go with you
Speaker 3: like that. I had this one dude, this old head dude. Man,
Speaker 3: he washed my laundry one time. Right, I didn't know
Speaker 3: what that was about. I'm like, damn, I told you
Speaker 3: he'll tyke aveying joys. I said, Yo, I come back
Speaker 3: my laundry nights, my stuff all folded up, it's on
Speaker 3: my bed. I'm like damn, because when you come in
Speaker 3: the yard, the laundry boys come out. So I didn't
Speaker 3: know if I wasn't suposed to get my laundry wash Shannon.
Speaker 3: So he washed my laundry and it was a little
Speaker 3: goodies on the bed too. So I'm like, damn, this here.
Speaker 3: He put some goodies on the nutty bars. It was
Speaker 3: a nice little package. But listen, listen. I'm like, damn.
Speaker 3: So I tell my old head, damn man, it's John Man.
Speaker 3: They be fouring your clothes, he said, who folds your clothes?
Speaker 3: So I go to the joint. I show him the
Speaker 3: whole spread and anything. I'm like, man, cause I'm like,
Speaker 3: as soon as they lock, damn, i'ma eating my little snacks.
Speaker 3: I'm cool, right, I'm thinking. I'm like, it's it's up man,
Speaker 3: shiit my old head with what's his name? All of
Speaker 3: the old head, don't don't be the young boy boy
Speaker 3: no I had. So he was lining me up. I
Speaker 3: ain't know he was lining me up. I ain't know
Speaker 3: what was going on. Them snacks looked mighty good on
Speaker 3: that on that bed, though.
Speaker 2: Who gives Let me ask your question, who giveaway free
Speaker 2: stuff on the outside? What makes you think it's gonna
Speaker 2: be free stuff on the inside.
Speaker 3: Man, I wasn't thinking, man, I just was hungry.
Speaker 1: Good thing.
Speaker 3: I didn't even get the commensay because I wait for
Speaker 3: the money to come from and get on my counsel.
Speaker 3: I'm like, damn, I was gonna eat it though. But
Speaker 3: I'm glad I didn't.
Speaker 1: Been over for you. Bro.
Speaker 3: No, my old head probably got me. Old g probably
Speaker 3: got me out of it. But it was crazy.
Speaker 1: You ever have beef with the guards?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had the back and forth. I used to
Speaker 3: have back and forth for guards and stuff. But it
Speaker 3: wasn't like it wasn't nothing like you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: Like the one that told me what he told me
Speaker 3: I said, But it wasn't nothing crazy. I was trying
Speaker 3: to get out of jail. I wasn't in jail. I
Speaker 3: wasn't trying to be in jail to get deeper in jail.
Speaker 1: Being the whole.
Speaker 2: I wasn't trying to do all that shit. What's the
Speaker 2: craziest thing. I mean, So, what's a typical day. What
Speaker 2: was a typical day.
Speaker 1: Like for you? You get up at what time?
Speaker 3: I get up early in the morning, five o'clock four.
Speaker 3: I used to work in the kitchen, especially later on
Speaker 3: in my time. This By the time I get seasoned
Speaker 3: in prison, I'm getting up working during the morning breakfast.
Speaker 3: Before then, I was doing the night breathf I'm in
Speaker 3: the night dinner. But I just get up early. I
Speaker 3: always get up early. Go to the chowd hall. At
Speaker 3: the chowd hall, you go back, lockdown. They run yard.
Speaker 3: After they run yard, y'all come back in, lock back down.
Speaker 3: You can come back in shower, do whatever. After working out,
Speaker 3: lock back in, do count, lunch, after lunch, yard. After
Speaker 3: that you come back in shower, get ready for mail.
Speaker 3: They passed the mill around, lockdown, do count, then the time,
Speaker 3: come back yard, block out, whatever. But usually in between that,
Speaker 3: somebody might get hit in the head with a wait.
Speaker 3: Somebody might get stabbed, somebody might get raped, somebody may
Speaker 3: kill herself. There's multiple things that might happen in the day.
Speaker 1: And you seeing all this, and you like, lord, yeah. Uh.
Speaker 3: When I first seen somebody, first seen somebody get stabbed
Speaker 3: in the yard, I ran in the cell and I
Speaker 3: was in the cell with a brother named Umar. He
Speaker 3: told me, man, you're looking at this stuff with a
Speaker 3: with a nenked mind. Huh, I said, what you mean,
Speaker 3: so basically educated me that I had to go insane
Speaker 3: in order to stay sane and to protect my mind
Speaker 3: in prison. And it was it was it was a
Speaker 3: It was a blessing that he educated me about that,
Speaker 3: because now when I seen somebody getting stabbed, I didn't
Speaker 3: look at it like Damn White's stare. I looked at
Speaker 3: it like, man, that's day, got a problem, that's their business,
Speaker 3: keep walking. You became desensitized like that you had to become.
Speaker 3: If I did not have been done, my brain would
Speaker 3: have been cooked, probably have been on medication. All the
Speaker 3: stuff I seen from anked from looking at it from
Speaker 3: a nick and eye that have been different. Wow.
Speaker 2: So the craziest person are the crazy people in prison
Speaker 2: or I mean there's people that are like mental like
Speaker 2: they really need something in that particul people that pretend
Speaker 2: so you don't bother them, or no one bothers them.
Speaker 3: I think I didn't seen people going there that wasn't
Speaker 3: crazy to start getting on medication and they be on,
Speaker 3: they be gone. I knew people that I knew personally
Speaker 3: on the streets get on medication. Don't even know who
Speaker 3: you are no more. Because a lot of people trying
Speaker 3: to escape the reality of life. And but you got
Speaker 3: people that is mentally ill, they got mentally al blocks
Speaker 3: already for them. That people that's really like you know
Speaker 3: what I mean.
Speaker 1: Prison food. You said you worked in the kitchen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so what's the typical meal?
Speaker 1: What's so you for breakfast? What are you getting for breakfast?
Speaker 3: Like me? You know, I was talking to one of
Speaker 3: my homies other day. You get bulled eggs, some grits, toasts,
Speaker 3: some jelly, some jelly packs, some butter packs. Any other
Speaker 3: time it might be some some liquid eggs, I mean
Speaker 3: they scrambled, you might get them sometimes, it depends. They
Speaker 3: might get Friday is out. It depends what institution you at,
Speaker 3: but it's mostly oatmeal stuff like that. Do you get seconds, No,
Speaker 3: you ain't supposed to get seconds, but sometimes somebody might
Speaker 3: just go down and give you the trade. And it
Speaker 3: depends on all who in the line and if they
Speaker 3: shaking the dip or if they giving you a heavy ration.
Speaker 3: It depends what prison you at. Stuff like that.
Speaker 2: You you say you worked in the kitchen, so yees,
Speaker 2: you're cooking yourself. Yeah, I cooked it myself too, but
Speaker 2: I was a chef. I'm really a chef like I'm
Speaker 2: a train.
Speaker 1: Do you cook like? Now? Do you cook for you? Cook? Now?
Speaker 3: I cook? Now I cooked for myself. I went to
Speaker 3: Corney School. Shout out to Steve Delly from South Philly.
Speaker 3: He was my instructor. He was a chef in the navy,
Speaker 3: and he taught me how to do my thing. And
Speaker 3: me and my homeboy Psycho from Uptown Philly, we used
Speaker 3: to be the night cooks and greatest for a penitentiary.
Speaker 3: We used to be in there cooking a real meal.
Speaker 3: You gotta cook for five thousand men, so you might.
Speaker 3: We got pounds and pounds and pounds and pounds and
Speaker 3: pounds of beef, big kettles, big paddles I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: But you kept a little something for yourself. Take back
Speaker 1: to the.
Speaker 3: Always we canna make something on the side, and then
Speaker 3: I canna make something in myself. So it was it was,
Speaker 3: you know, I good.
Speaker 1: Did you get tattoos while you were in prison?
Speaker 3: No, I ain't getting no tattoos while I in prison.
Speaker 3: All my stuff already, I ain't messing with that.
Speaker 1: So while you're in prison, So let me ask you.
Speaker 2: So you have a TV. You had a television room, radio, cable.
Speaker 2: When you're watching television, what do you dream about? What
Speaker 2: do you think about when you're watching television in yourself?
Speaker 3: I used to be watching Anthony Berdein or Anthony Bourdain.
Speaker 3: I used to be thinking about traveling the world and
Speaker 3: just seeing everything because I was like, damn, this dude,
Speaker 3: this dude used to be on drugs and anything, got
Speaker 3: his life together. He moving around. So I used to
Speaker 3: watch him like, yo, man, I said, man, I gotta
Speaker 3: get out there. I want to see the world. You
Speaker 3: know what I mean, That's what. And then I used
Speaker 3: to always watch the Food Channel, I mean the travel channel.
Speaker 3: These at a the hundred best Ride. So I used
Speaker 3: to be looking at food like damn, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. But it was about, you know, getting out,
Speaker 3: being with your family and just seeing life.
Speaker 1: Do you have pimpals? Did you have girlfriends that write
Speaker 1: you letters and listen?
Speaker 3: I was on Friends Beyond the Wall, Meeta Inmate dot com,
Speaker 3: I was. I was on all of them joints.
Speaker 1: Man, did anybody come see you?
Speaker 3: No, I ain't come see me, but they'll send me books.
Speaker 3: We'd be writing love letters back and full lying to
Speaker 3: each other.
Speaker 2: Did you meet did you did you see any of
Speaker 2: them once you got out.
Speaker 3: No, because because it'll be like all right, it'll be
Speaker 3: like this, you'll put a picture up there, right, and
Speaker 3: then a lot of times this before catfish was catfish. Okay,
Speaker 3: somebody catfish because they've never seen your pictures. Sometimes you
Speaker 3: don't know who you're writing. Right, So I'm in Pennsylvania prison.
Speaker 3: They'll put you on the jaw me meet an inmate,
Speaker 3: or because you'll pay, take the money off your books.
Speaker 3: You write a little bio. My name Mike. My favorite
Speaker 3: color is blue. I like horseback riding. I like to
Speaker 3: listen to the whispers. Likes right, so you you know. So,
Speaker 3: so what happened is you will send the picture off
Speaker 3: and the money and they'll put you on and then
Speaker 3: people just be searching it. And then you might be
Speaker 3: talking to you in Pennsylvania. You might be talking to
Speaker 3: a woman from Parkland, Portland's he'll write you and then
Speaker 3: you had to do you know what I mean. You
Speaker 3: have some dudes that will be on there. They'll get
Speaker 3: a picture. One of these dudes. Pay a dude in
Speaker 3: new Yard when he's husky muscled up. Yeah we goo,
Speaker 3: swabby boy, let me get a picture. Man, I pay
Speaker 3: they'll send that picture and all the women to be
Speaker 3: writing now and they'd be, you know, doing anything off that.
Speaker 1: It was deep? Did men? Did you? Did you?
Speaker 2: Did you ever see or hear or notice that the
Speaker 2: inmates having sex with women female guards?
Speaker 3: I did? I had, I had, I had, you did
Speaker 3: without a doubt. Come on, I had my shot. You know,
Speaker 3: I ain't you know, talk about the facility. But I
Speaker 3: had a shot and it was, it was, it was,
Speaker 3: It was great.
Speaker 1: So once you did that one time.
Speaker 3: No, it was a couple of times.
Speaker 1: But nasty rats.
Speaker 3: What I supposed to do? I was shaking the dice
Speaker 3: my whole bit. What I supposed to do?
Speaker 1: How you look? You looked good, She was all right,
Speaker 1: she was all right. You reach out. Once you got out,
Speaker 1: it got.
Speaker 3: A little roughie, it got a little crazy. But you talk,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: She had a man?
Speaker 3: Did you something like that?
Speaker 1: I know, I know it, I know it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was getting excus meant thinks he did least
Speaker 3: he was running up in now see means SHARLVI solid.
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Speaker 1: The gillis breakwomen the prison.
Speaker 3: He brun somebody for me one time and I ain't
Speaker 3: even know.
Speaker 1: Can't you go a visit? No?
Speaker 3: No, So listen, we had this one spot and he
Speaker 3: brung He brung somebody there. She had his dress on, right,
Speaker 3: But we kicking it. I'm so excited to seeing we
Speaker 3: kicking it so much. He will really tell me till
Speaker 3: like the end of the visits, like damn man, you
Speaker 3: know that, because because it was like they'll let you
Speaker 3: go up in the in the porter potties. Heah, dizzy
Speaker 3: real quick. Really, it wasn't like you supposed again you
Speaker 3: had to shoot him a little sub Yeah, he tell me, yo, man,
Speaker 3: you know what. I'm like, nig why are you telling
Speaker 3: me it's almost over now?
Speaker 1: The joint the potty should have laid off with that
Speaker 1: hit wallow yep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was crazy. He did that.
Speaker 1: He did it being raised visit you in prison.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he came to see me. He came up one time.
Speaker 3: I called Gil. They was together. He's like, man, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna come see you brother. I'm like, this is me. Yeah, yeah, brother,
Speaker 3: I'm a bother to be up there. He came through
Speaker 3: these Holly used to come out kick. We used to
Speaker 3: be laughing. And he just was a good brother man.
Speaker 3: And then we you know, connected on the outside, always supportive.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: He's a good person man.
Speaker 2: When you had you say you had your brother, was
Speaker 2: inn you share a sale with your brother? You said
Speaker 2: you share a sell with your stepfather? Did you ever
Speaker 2: look like what kind of life is this?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: It was embarrassed. I remember one time when I called
Speaker 3: Nanny and me and my brother was in there, and
Speaker 3: I was like, yo, Nanny, Steve up being there, we
Speaker 3: even sell. The call was real different. It was real difference.
Speaker 3: He said. That was embarrassing. Like it was like it
Speaker 3: was real different, you know. And I always thought about
Speaker 3: him when I was in jail. Like my grandma ain't
Speaker 3: got nothing to brag about with her grandson's you know
Speaker 3: how people be at the church and all that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: my grand baby going to college. You gotta get quiet
Speaker 3: about us, you know what I mean, because we is
Speaker 3: always in some shit.
Speaker 2: You know, when did you realize that? You know what,
Speaker 2: when I get out of here, ain't coming back.
Speaker 3: Them conversations with Nanny's really done. It you know, you
Speaker 3: think about that, and then especially my brother died. I
Speaker 3: knew I had to step up. I knew it was
Speaker 3: game time. But the craziest thing is the most scariest,
Speaker 3: the most the scariest day of my prison bit was
Speaker 3: the day I walked out of jail. Really, man, that
Speaker 3: was the scariest shit of my life because everything that
Speaker 3: I told my grandmam, my mom, my family that I
Speaker 3: was and I became, it wasn't proving yet because I
Speaker 3: didn't have no temptation to see if I'm really who
Speaker 3: I am now. So I'm coming home, I'm like, I
Speaker 3: gotta stick to the script. Don't on fall victim to
Speaker 3: the temptation, on fall victim to the bus.
Speaker 1: Stay focused.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm looking at nineteen ninety seven. When you
Speaker 2: went in, you had a you're a kid, you're seventeen,
Speaker 2: you're a teenager. Yeah, now you come at your thirty seven.
Speaker 2: The world is different, the word is really really different
Speaker 2: since you last was outside.
Speaker 1: Of those walks. Yeah, what was the scariest thing that
Speaker 1: you encountered?
Speaker 2: Because now you you're not really free, You're just on
Speaker 2: the outside.
Speaker 1: They still got that paper when you wallop.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you know what was the hardest thing
Speaker 3: outside of that, And this was crazy and Nanny and
Speaker 3: you know, you know, Nanny was Nanny was messed up
Speaker 3: because first of all, everything looks small when you get
Speaker 3: home because I'm in these wide yards, big big, So
Speaker 3: I'll get to the block and after you know, abody
Speaker 3: anybody go, anybody leave me and Nanny in the house.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I'm sitting there and we talked, we
Speaker 3: laughing about something, and I'm gonna step. I'm gonna step
Speaker 3: in the house and Nanny sitting in that chair and inside
Speaker 3: of the house, I'm gonna step, and I don't know
Speaker 3: what it was. It is out of nowhere. I said, Nanny,
Speaker 3: where Steve at? Well, I ain't coming, and I caught myself.
Speaker 3: See I never went to my brother funeral, so it
Speaker 3: just was a reaction. And now the way Nanny looked,
Speaker 3: it was like, cause I'm talking to Nanny. Nanny sitting
Speaker 3: in the sitting on the chair, the chair right next
Speaker 3: to the door when my brother died that he died
Speaker 3: right there in the doorway. But it just that was
Speaker 3: so hard because I realized I went upstairs and I
Speaker 3: was like, dam And it was for a while I
Speaker 3: used to walk the streets in Philadelphia listening to Sanfra,
Speaker 3: greatest artist ever Sanfra, and I used to be looking
Speaker 3: for Steve because I used to be preparing myself for
Speaker 3: the conversations or the funny shit I might see him,
Speaker 3: like wait till.
Speaker 1: I tell you.
Speaker 3: I always just say that I'm gonna tell Steve, gonna
Speaker 3: be tripping off this shit. And it went on for
Speaker 3: a while, It went on for a minute. But I
Speaker 3: used that was hard. That was like one of the
Speaker 3: hardest things coming home, like realize, like damn, because I'm
Speaker 3: so used to him and he just so this dude
Speaker 3: was funny. He was a nut. I'm talking about you
Speaker 3: think Gil's a nut. They like right on night and day,
Speaker 3: like there's always on some great shit right straight out,
Speaker 3: will say all types of shit like he was crazy.
Speaker 3: So but that was like the hardest thing. Everything else
Speaker 3: was like I had a supportive agent crew Lock. I
Speaker 3: had a supportive parole agent. She It was crazy. I
Speaker 3: never knew somebody would believe in the person, like She's like,
Speaker 3: I'm not worrying about you. I got a caseload, I
Speaker 3: got other people. I really got to worry about you.
Speaker 3: Ain't gonna be no problem. She just told me that
Speaker 3: shit out of nowhere, I'm damn it. And anything I
Speaker 3: want to do anytime I wanted to travel, she supported me. Wow,
Speaker 3: I'm talking about She had my picture when I got
Speaker 3: on a fill up her daily news from she had.
Speaker 3: I went in the office one time, she had my
Speaker 3: picture on the wall that art. She's like, you're gonna
Speaker 3: do great. I've been looking for it for years. I
Speaker 3: can't find I think she moved somewhere a supervisor, but she.
Speaker 1: Was that.
Speaker 2: How difficult was it for you to get re immigrated
Speaker 2: into society after being away for two.
Speaker 3: Decades twenty thirteen and fourteen, I had a cell phones
Speaker 3: that's when I first started Wild Tuesday seven, Instagram and
Speaker 3: a joint So that helped me see the world for
Speaker 3: years straight a eighteen mins sumption, but I wound up
Speaker 3: getting caught got a charge for that. They added some
Speaker 3: time to me, but they ran a concurrent. But that
Speaker 3: helped me see the world. So it prepared me a
Speaker 3: lot to see what was out here. But one thing
Speaker 3: that I seen that was out here, I said, man,
Speaker 3: people out did playing games. And I realized from that
Speaker 3: cell phone looking at social media and anything. It's more
Speaker 3: people in prison than it is in prison on the
Speaker 3: free world. People minds wasn't expanded. I said, I'm gona
Speaker 3: kill them when I get out here, because I always
Speaker 3: thought about my content on what I was gonna do,
Speaker 3: because I already had a social media page, and I
Speaker 3: remember I used to be in the lard yard talking
Speaker 3: to people, and I was a part of a brotherhood
Speaker 3: called Real Street Talk. Shout out to them Brothers in
Speaker 3: Greatest for a prison where we would talk to the
Speaker 3: inmates when they first come in, that's coming in and
Speaker 3: basically give him a real street talk about listen, man,
Speaker 3: make this your last time in the joint Boomo boom
Speaker 3: with some good brothers Shannon Ike, Shakur Sharif, a bunch
Speaker 3: of a bunch of just good brothers. And I was
Speaker 3: a part of that, brother Rob Ecks Hick and I
Speaker 3: was a part of that. And I was so used
Speaker 3: to talking to people. So when I got on Instagram,
Speaker 3: I'm just do my thing on air. But I knew
Speaker 3: I was gonna do it different. I'm gonna run across
Speaker 3: the street when I do it, I'm gonna lay on
Speaker 3: the ground head catch up on my hair like I
Speaker 3: got shot, and I'm gonna do it because it's a
Speaker 3: battle of the timeline. When I'm in jail looking at
Speaker 3: the time, I'm like, oh, so you only look at
Speaker 3: this person because she buttonneck it. You look at him
Speaker 3: because he a rapper, You look at him because you athlete,
Speaker 3: this one because he got money and jury. But we're
Speaker 3: the regular people connecting with the regular human connection. So
Speaker 3: I got a battle with all this shit. I got you.
Speaker 3: I'm run across the sweatway, have my my try power
Speaker 3: right here in my phone. I'm gonna do my You're
Speaker 3: gonna think that you see the eighteen will come. I
Speaker 3: knew I had to do different type of content with
Speaker 3: my messaging, but I had some great messaging, I said.
Speaker 3: I got the different departments on my page. I got
Speaker 3: the messaging. I got the marketing side where I'm advertised businesses.
Speaker 3: Then I got to speaking branch. While I do speaking
Speaker 3: to get so I'm looking at that joint I'm building business. Artist.
Speaker 2: When you're on probation, what are some of the things
Speaker 2: par I mean, parole, what are some of the things
Speaker 2: that you can't do?
Speaker 3: You're not supposed to be around feelings? Okay, sometimes your
Speaker 3: family might be feelings. You ain't supposed to be around
Speaker 3: drugs and all that. So me, I'm it was a
Speaker 3: thin line because I'm like, damn, I'm playing by the
Speaker 3: book best way I can. Because you know, Gil's smoking
Speaker 3: that good weed all day. So I said, okay. At
Speaker 3: the same time, I said, you know, I got to
Speaker 3: make sure I got a marijuana card so I could
Speaker 3: be a lot you know. It was a lot of things,
Speaker 3: you know, But I always had parole officers that was
Speaker 3: that that that appreciated what I was doing. Shout out
Speaker 3: the agent Cruise, my last parole agent, that just was
Speaker 3: so supportive.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: She was she was. She was so happy to call
Speaker 3: me to let me know that I was all parole.
Speaker 3: She's like, she was so excited. It was unbelievable. Man, sister,
Speaker 3: what does two sixty seven mean to you? Two sixty seven.
Speaker 3: That's my prison number. My prison number was DG two
Speaker 3: six seven.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 3: When I go to set up my Instagram page, whiler
Speaker 3: was taken. So I added the two sixty seven off
Speaker 3: my prison number so I could remember where I came
Speaker 3: from and where I ain't going back to. It just
Speaker 3: so happened that since I was in jail, the Philadelphia
Speaker 3: area code turned to two sixty seven two, so people
Speaker 3: thought that, but no, that's my prison and my prison
Speaker 3: number is d G two six seven er.
Speaker 2: Is there something that a habit quirk tick that you
Speaker 2: developed in prison that you just can't shake down?
Speaker 1: Are you a light sleeper? But do you sleep or
Speaker 1: are you a peaceful sleeper? Or man?
Speaker 3: I sleep like it ain't nothing. I was sleeping like
Speaker 3: that in jail. It no matter, did you Yeah, because
Speaker 3: the door was locked, sharing it ain't get up and
Speaker 3: they can't get me. Then they locked that door. Everybody
Speaker 3: locked down. But I was always up before the door open,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So you wasn't doing I'm
Speaker 3: laying there, you know what I mean. So I ain't
Speaker 3: want to you know what I mean. I ain't want
Speaker 3: to do that. I said, no, you ain't gonna take
Speaker 3: my goodies. But I'm saying this, h like. I always
Speaker 3: found myself preparing the conversations. So a lot of times,
Speaker 3: and Gied will always see me doing that when I'm
Speaker 3: ready to do a video or something. You say, ain't
Speaker 3: mean you over there talking to yourself? Said no, I'm
Speaker 3: just getting ready, you know what I mean? And but
Speaker 3: not not too much outside of that.
Speaker 2: When you came home, what was the conversation. What do
Speaker 2: you remember your first conversation with Gilly? Soon as I
Speaker 2: came home he picked you up? Did he pick you up?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: He picked me up. Shout out to my sister lot TV.
Speaker 3: She picked me up. But Gil, when I come home,
Speaker 3: I get because as soon as I get with him,
Speaker 3: he like, cuz do you.
Speaker 1: Do you?
Speaker 3: And he looked me. He looked me in the eyes.
Speaker 3: He said, cuz you done? Wow, he said, let me
Speaker 3: he said, He said, is you done?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 3: You know how he talked smoking this?
Speaker 1: You done? Man? You done?
Speaker 3: Nigga?
Speaker 1: Like you tired?
Speaker 3: Yet like I'm saying, I said, because I'm done man
Speaker 3: and ship he said, he said, man, I've seen the
Speaker 3: seeing they broke you in your eyes. I knew he
Speaker 3: was done because I was just like, I'm done because
Speaker 3: I'm tired. Because because a lot of times we see
Speaker 3: our family members go in and out and you ain't tired.
Speaker 3: To you tired? And everybody lom clock come on different time.
Speaker 3: My loarm clock came on. It was game time. That
Speaker 3: shit over with.
Speaker 1: You know, acting, you want to get an acting I.
Speaker 3: Don't know if I could act I don't know what
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: Bro, you went away for basically for twenty five or
Speaker 2: your forty plus years. You've been inconstrated. You come out
Speaker 2: and you can do anything. You just said. You can
Speaker 2: do anything that you wanted that you set your mind too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I was on a shout out to
Speaker 3: Easta Ray. She had me on our show. Rap shit,
Speaker 3: I did a roll on there. You know, everything is possible.
Speaker 2: You seem to be of a situation where like you
Speaker 2: don't care. I mean, somebody might say something foul to
Speaker 2: you off the cufor to.
Speaker 1: You, and you just let that thuff wrong.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I gotta go. I gotta keep Like my
Speaker 3: whole thing is this. I understand that everybody is entitled
Speaker 3: to a bad day, Yes, and sometimes they may have
Speaker 3: a bad day and I might just be there. I
Speaker 3: might just be there. It ain't got nothing to do.
Speaker 3: It ain't got nothing to do with me. Like alright,
Speaker 3: Fenson's you might get with this woman and she might
Speaker 3: come at you to try to play you or try
Speaker 3: to get you for money. It ain't got nothing to
Speaker 3: do with you. Was personally channing. We take things personally
Speaker 3: from people that we don't know. Personal It ain't got
Speaker 3: nothing to do with you. If it was me, if
Speaker 3: it was him, it was just the game. It ain't
Speaker 3: got nothing to do. So I don't be looking at
Speaker 3: things like because listen, you're not gonna provoke me to
Speaker 3: do thathing crazy. I ain't gonna do nothing crazy to you.
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna do it.
Speaker 2: You're the chief marketing officer of Reform Alliance with Jay
Speaker 2: z Meek, Mel, Michael Rubin, and Robert Kraft. Talk to
Speaker 2: us a little bit about this program. I was, I'm
Speaker 2: a former. Okay, there's a program. One thing about reform
Speaker 2: is passed.
Speaker 3: A lot of bills, the reform the prison of the
Speaker 3: probation and parole system right right, and a lot of
Speaker 3: people is on probation and parole. Let me tell you
Speaker 3: something about this. I could be on probation and parole
Speaker 3: and it's offered me to find a job. They'll send
Speaker 3: me back. I might have a dirty owin, they'll send
Speaker 3: me back. I'm talking about technical violations. But I didn't
Speaker 3: catch no new case. The police ain't locked me up.
Speaker 3: I might have a parole man or a probation officer
Speaker 3: that's riding me. Now you're riding me because of whatever
Speaker 3: you ride me because there's some people that's do transportation wise,
Speaker 3: I might can't get the way I need to get to.
Speaker 3: I might be late here. I might You didn't have
Speaker 3: people go back to prison for all types of things.
Speaker 3: So Reform Alliance is doing this. They're trying to reform
Speaker 3: this system to make it better that people is not
Speaker 3: going back to jail based off of technical violation. Okay,
Speaker 3: And that's what it's about, man, And they they doing
Speaker 3: a great job.
Speaker 2: When Gil's son passed away, Oh Man, you were the
Speaker 2: one that broke the news, and you knew, you know,
Speaker 2: not only did you know, you knew how close Gilly was.
Speaker 1: Was that one of the hardest thing you've ever had
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 3: It was hard because I knew it was gonna be
Speaker 3: a struggle because we was at the radio station in Philadelphia,
Speaker 3: right and I'm in the bathroom of me like lo, like, yo,
Speaker 3: what's uping? Man? Jee's got shot? I said, what opened
Speaker 3: the door? I said, what who? Jee's got shot? So
Speaker 3: immediately I jump on the phone. I called, you know,
Speaker 3: a call a family to fill up your police department.
Speaker 3: I'm like, listen, I put guilt on the phone. Right,
Speaker 3: So we drive he driving this car. We're flying up
Speaker 3: to the hospital. So here on the point. He's like,
Speaker 3: I'm a check it to it.
Speaker 1: I'm on it.
Speaker 3: This an other third boom boom boom boom bang. So
Speaker 3: when we hang up, meet him and Gil, he said,
Speaker 3: I'm on the Gil. Hang up.
Speaker 1: People called me back and said call me by yourself.
Speaker 3: Keep Gil off the phone.
Speaker 1: I said, damn. So were driving.
Speaker 3: We get to the hospital. So we're in the hospital
Speaker 3: guild there cheege mom there, heybody up there, bunch of
Speaker 3: the homies there. I had my phone on vibrate. People
Speaker 3: call me, he said, listen. He ain't make it. So
Speaker 3: I'm like this. I put the phone down, put in
Speaker 3: my pocket. I attempted to walk out of the emergency room.
Speaker 3: You see what happened, because it's up, because what's going on?
Speaker 3: Because and I'm walking and he keep following me. He said,
Speaker 3: cause what's up?
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 3: And I grabbed him. I said, he gone, damn dam
Speaker 3: That was the most craziest shit I ever had to do,
Speaker 3: you know, because I said to myself, I'm gonna slide
Speaker 3: out of this door. And the people because the people
Speaker 3: was back there playing games like the hospital people. They can't.
Speaker 3: So when our people called this the police, they telling
Speaker 3: me what it is, I'm like, so, I'm like, I
Speaker 3: can't tell him this. And I never seen Gil like that.
Speaker 3: After that, it was just it was it was it
Speaker 3: was crazy. It was it was crazy, you know. But
Speaker 3: you know, I'm thankful that we got a strong family
Speaker 3: and uh, you know it was hard. It was hard.
Speaker 1: Man, Where are you on this man?
Speaker 2: Because you know, we heard a lot of talk about
Speaker 2: this illuminati and when Gilly lost his son, people were like, well,
Speaker 2: he had to sacrifice his son because that's why he
Speaker 2: came into all of this. I mean, white people say
Speaker 2: bulljib like that.
Speaker 3: Black people love black failure and black success is only
Speaker 3: it only come Black success only come when you do
Speaker 3: something crazy. White success says, Oh he's great, he's smart.
Speaker 3: Bill Gates, he's smart. Jeff Bezo, he's smart. You know
Speaker 3: what I muss, he's smart.
Speaker 1: You're black.
Speaker 3: You sold your soul in our community. There's so much
Speaker 3: hatred with success because so many people that want to
Speaker 3: be stars and they ain't make it. You think people
Speaker 3: was happy for me all that. No, people ain't always
Speaker 3: happy for you. When you went that's a package deal.
Speaker 3: The package deal is when the excitement that comes from
Speaker 3: black failure of people not winning is unbelievable. Like, so
Speaker 3: people are sitting back like, damn, you had to do something. No, No,
Speaker 3: Shannon had to do some shit all because you gave
Speaker 3: up on your dreams and you abandoned your dreams and
Speaker 3: you ain't strong enough to the next level. So you
Speaker 3: don't even believe that it's possible. A lot of our
Speaker 3: people don't believe that they could be millionaires. They don't
Speaker 3: believe that this shit is possible. They don't even believe
Speaker 3: that shit. They believe the only way you get to
Speaker 3: the next level is you go in some magical room.
Speaker 3: I ain't never seen them joints yet. I've never seen
Speaker 3: the parties or none of that shit. I just know
Speaker 3: hard work will pay off because you know you put
Speaker 3: the hard work in, God gonna bless you. But a
Speaker 3: lot of people don't believe that shit. So certain conversations
Speaker 3: they don't believe. Like I had a conversation on Gilbert
Speaker 3: Arenas podcast and I said, you can make basketball contracts. Damn,
Speaker 3: there a hundred million office sitting behind the screen this
Speaker 3: that the third is a new game. Just so he
Speaker 3: understand that me and Gilbert understand that. Yes, you probably
Speaker 3: understand that. But one of the homies called me he
Speaker 3: was already in the barbershop, sa, yo, he be tripping,
Speaker 3: Wallow said, I said. He said, damn, man, I want
Speaker 3: you man, I'm trying to take your face out and that.
Speaker 3: I said. No, it's not my job to check them.
Speaker 3: They're not in this world, so they don't understand the
Speaker 3: mechanics to that correct. People don't know what just know
Speaker 3: how to say, Damn, I ain't know that was going on,
Speaker 3: or damn I don't know that world.
Speaker 1: It's hard for people to just see farther than what
Speaker 1: they can touch. Yo.
Speaker 3: In a lot of times, it's hard for people to understand.
Speaker 3: It's painful to see that. Damn Gilling and Wallow making
Speaker 3: all that money just being them. That's hard. There ain't
Speaker 3: no football players, they ain't no actors, They just them.
Speaker 3: That's hard. So you know ship like that, come.
Speaker 1: What's your NFL and basketball teams? Who you root for them?
Speaker 3: Whoever wins. But I'm gonna take this, I'm gonna say this.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say this this year. My favorite player in
Speaker 3: the world is say Kwan Barkley. Uh, and you know what,
Speaker 3: it's a little chrisy he call you bad wagon. He
Speaker 3: said it was a little shot. I'm like, damn, man,
Speaker 3: you're my favorite player. What type of why would you do?
Speaker 1: You a favorite player?
Speaker 3: Now? No, no, I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna say this.
Speaker 3: This is the first time in the history of life
Speaker 3: that I never I spent the whole season groom for
Speaker 3: a team. You see what I'm saying, Like, I never
Speaker 3: do that. You know, playoffs, I go back and forth,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. But this that's my team day,
Speaker 3: my team, Boston Celtics, my team.
Speaker 1: Right now we want last, I mean right now, we
Speaker 1: want I told you, I told you, I told my enough.
Speaker 1: Don't act up.
Speaker 3: You know how I get y'all get goofy I leave. No,
Speaker 3: you gotta earn, you know, listen, listen, you gotta earn
Speaker 3: for me to be a fan. That's that's losing ship.
Speaker 3: How do y'all people be staying with these teams and
Speaker 3: they don't win. I don't understand that ship. I told
Speaker 3: Dave and them there, I said, y'all are losers. Y'all
Speaker 3: Dave telling us a while or you got a new
Speaker 3: team all the time, I said, dave y'all losers holding
Speaker 3: on the teams. That's disappoint yall. I'm not dealing with
Speaker 3: this ship.
Speaker 1: I move around. Talk to you. Talk about your relationship
Speaker 1: with coach Prime.
Speaker 2: You've got a very good relationship, very close relationship with
Speaker 2: coach Pran, coach Brian Will.
Speaker 1: Little lot of people in it, Sir.
Speaker 3: I'm one of the first people in the world that
Speaker 3: Coach Crime told that he was going to. It was
Speaker 3: a Super Bowl Atlantic, Atlanta. Me and him came. We
Speaker 3: had to talk on my show Where's Wallow? But on
Speaker 3: the side, I'm one of the first people he see
Speaker 3: he was coaching. I said, coach, if you coach because
Speaker 3: it was another teammate, I said, me and Gil coming weather.
Speaker 3: He said, my dogs, you know heal my dogs. And
Speaker 3: when he got Jackson stage on he cuched face timed
Speaker 3: me and Gil. He said, man, you know I'm going
Speaker 3: onto Jackson. So matter of fact, we was talking on
Speaker 3: the call, and we were talking on the call, I said, damn, man,
Speaker 3: I was hiring at my brother Matt Burns and Matt
Speaker 3: Burns and them, and I was I was trying to
Speaker 3: get him a deal at barstool, right. That didn't go
Speaker 3: through whatever because they had other things going on. So
Speaker 3: I'm telling Prime. I'm like, damn, man you, Prime said,
Speaker 3: what get me a show? Over the dog? I called
Speaker 3: Dave Yo, Dave listen, I think you need to talk
Speaker 3: to Prime. He said, well, Prome, you know what I'm
Speaker 3: saying this Prime Time. Oh he won't do an interviewers. No,
Speaker 3: he trying to get a show each time. Get the
Speaker 3: out of here wild though, Man, Yeah, you know you
Speaker 3: get out of here Prime Time. Then I said, yeah,
Speaker 3: I said, hold on, let me mardere you man put
Speaker 3: he man Erica, he listen. Pro put him on. Next
Speaker 3: day Eric can come. He said, I'm on. I'm on
Speaker 3: the jat right now. I'm going to see Prime right now.
Speaker 3: I got to deal them and the process of that
Speaker 3: getting done, He said, Jackson, you gotta take like five
Speaker 3: planes to get to Jackson, Mississippi. Man, we get down
Speaker 3: Jackson right So when we get down there, all type
Speaker 3: of shit happened, the water not working, Prim and Prim
Speaker 3: and the kids in the pool taking had to wash
Speaker 3: up in the pool. All this type of stuff getting
Speaker 3: real though. Prim say, it's a job, dog, I gotta
Speaker 3: do it, though, Man, I gotta take care of these
Speaker 3: baby these kids down here. Man, I'm talking of the
Speaker 3: locker room. Was old it everything was prom took his
Speaker 3: own pocket, called some friends up. Got it done. Were
Speaker 3: going down there a game can every time we're going
Speaker 3: down there, many times possible. Gilly for some reason, I
Speaker 3: thought he was a player on the team and the coach.
Speaker 3: This is what happened. So so we're on the sideline.
Speaker 3: Boy take off running. Gill start running with him. So
Speaker 3: I always got I gotta watch him, so I want
Speaker 3: I go down running with him. Dude, throw gild the ball.
Speaker 1: He spike it.
Speaker 3: He don't spike the ball? Right all right? Dancer? He snapping, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I said, cuz they just got a flag for you
Speaker 3: spiking the ball. Man, he said, he gave me the ball.
Speaker 3: What I said, because you wasn't supposed to spike the ball?
Speaker 3: What he said, No, Man, I was in there. That's
Speaker 3: a part of the game. You did it. I said,
Speaker 3: you're not playing though, Yeah, you're not a part of
Speaker 3: the gay prime say, wowlow, come here, he said, what's
Speaker 3: the matter with Gilly?
Speaker 1: Man? Gil?
Speaker 3: Come there and coach my bad? You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: So they tell you. So now every time we come
Speaker 3: to a game. I gotta watch Gil. But we went
Speaker 3: down there and put we had to put love around
Speaker 3: prime Man. We had to make it and nobody was
Speaker 3: going down there but us, and we was like man,
Speaker 3: we coming and it turned into something man.
Speaker 2: Advice, Give me a couple of pieces of advice that
Speaker 2: you want to impart upon black men, black women, our
Speaker 2: community twenty five and beyond.
Speaker 3: Learn how to communicate. Learn how to communicate. That's number one.
Speaker 3: Communication is the glue to keep relationships. Is the better together,
Speaker 3: and it's also the glue to growth. Understand that everything
Speaker 3: is not gonna go your way in life, and when
Speaker 3: it don't go your way, you don't have to buck,
Speaker 3: you don't have to snap. Work on your composure because
Speaker 3: a lot of time the look is the hook. How
Speaker 3: you react to things is very important. And a lot
Speaker 3: of times that know that know what mean next opportunity
Speaker 3: some of the greatest. It's a lot of information. Decide
Speaker 3: to know because once the no's come in your life,
Speaker 3: figure out why is the know is there? Move around
Speaker 3: the world is your playground, so go play. The world
Speaker 3: is bigger than your neighborhood. The world is bigger than
Speaker 3: the mentality that you might have based on the environment
Speaker 3: that helped produce you and the things that you know.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of information out there. Save your money
Speaker 3: and your money and save you all the fun that
Speaker 3: you want where you at, being with your boys and
Speaker 3: all that shit, A lot of that stuff you want
Speaker 3: to outgrow. So right now, work on yourself. While you
Speaker 3: in the twenties coming into the work on yourself. So
Speaker 3: I'm telling you because when you get into your late thirties,
Speaker 3: you want to be in a position where though you
Speaker 3: got something that you could lay on, you got something
Speaker 3: you could call your own, and then you position to
Speaker 3: travel the world do what you want to do or
Speaker 3: however you have it. Don't you want to be able
Speaker 3: to count on you. Get out your mama house, all
Speaker 3: your basement warriors out there that's staying in the basement,
Speaker 3: staying with your get your own get your own stuff, dog,
Speaker 3: get all your own stuff, folks, I'm talking about get
Speaker 3: your own stuff. Say, get your credit together, get your
Speaker 3: identification together, save your money, get your own place, get
Speaker 3: your own vehicle, and explore. The more stuff you see,
Speaker 3: the more new relationships you have, the more new conversations
Speaker 3: you have, is gonna help you get to the next
Speaker 3: levels of life.
Speaker 1: Thanks for stuffing by.
Speaker 3: Hold up, I got some more stuff to say. Sham,
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Speaker 3: and saying then you go, but you're gonna listen. You're
Speaker 3: gonna bench press like six hundred. Now it's different. I'm
Speaker 3: going to go bitch press this pillow. Oh man, that's
Speaker 3: up ral strip club video where he was preaching.
Speaker 1: To the Yes, oh yeah, you went viral. You were
Speaker 1: preaching to women in the script club.
Speaker 3: No, what happened is I went in the strip club
Speaker 3: with Gil. I was down Baltimore and just so happened.
Speaker 3: I'm in there drinking me a ginger rale on the rocks,
Speaker 3: light rocks, not too many and uh just so happened.
Speaker 3: A couple ladies start talking to me, so we start talking,
Speaker 3: and then and willow that shoe, So we start talking,
Speaker 3: we start kicking it. So I'm talking to him doing
Speaker 3: my thing, and I'm just seeing Gil talking to the
Speaker 3: manager dude like like basically saying what I'm doing, like
Speaker 3: I gotta like go get wildow. So Gil, come on,
Speaker 3: don't even know when they work it. No, we were
Speaker 3: just having a conversation. I'm listening there having a conversation
Speaker 3: about life, about next levels and just stuff like that.
Speaker 1: That's the right time to have that conversation.
Speaker 3: They wanted to have it.
Speaker 1: I was drinking.
Speaker 3: I was minding my business because I wasn't there throwing
Speaker 3: the dollars and none of that. I was chilling, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. Matter of fact, the one girl
Speaker 3: paid for my ginger round. So I don't know what
Speaker 3: was going on. I just was in there minding my business.
Speaker 3: Got kicked out of the strip club because I was
Speaker 3: having the conversation.
Speaker 1: I thought you supposed to go there to have conversations
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 3: That's what happened. I had the conversation about seven dancers.
Speaker 3: It was a great night. And then he went picking
Speaker 3: a girl up on a rough rawdy.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Bro, what's going through your mind? I mean
Speaker 2: you keep talking about it. You talking about gillies spiking
Speaker 2: the ball, Bro?
Speaker 1: I mean this boxing. I mean, bro, what's going through
Speaker 1: your mind when you picked up young lady up?
Speaker 3: No, see what happened was let me break she. See
Speaker 3: what happened is I was minding my business. You always
Speaker 3: buy your bit. So when she came over there and
Speaker 3: she was doing some dancing. So me back in the day,
Speaker 3: they used to call me dim this before the DM
Speaker 3: dancing machine. So it just hit in my mind. They say,
Speaker 3: you know she was in the air, just throw the
Speaker 3: girl in the air. It's spinned it like you just
Speaker 3: don't care. So I got flashbacks back in the day
Speaker 3: and it was on. I thought I was at a
Speaker 3: block party, you know what I mean. I just I'm
Speaker 3: just doing my thing.
Speaker 1: Threw your hands in the air.
Speaker 3: No, it was throw the girl in the air, waving
Speaker 3: and spinner like you just don't care. So I spun her,
Speaker 3: grabbed her, threw her back up. It was it was
Speaker 3: I missed that version of the song. No, that was
Speaker 3: a remix. I did it myself. It was in my mind.
Speaker 3: But it is what it is, man. The thing when
Speaker 3: he was in prison, who was y'all select and.
Speaker 2: Crush everybody that's on the outside.
Speaker 3: Pinky was my celebrity crush. I actually met her, Pinky
Speaker 3: the Point Star. She was on my wall.
Speaker 1: I don't know Pinky.
Speaker 3: You knew Pinky, you meant him with the pink here, Man,
Speaker 3: you knew the other girls? That one, he says, that girl.
Speaker 3: I said, Man, he knows something here, the one girl
Speaker 3: with the short head, man the star, she was a
Speaker 3: you know, come on, Shannon, you know.
Speaker 1: Man, you know me. I'm o unt boy. Man, I
Speaker 1: just stayed in my life.
Speaker 3: That's the one that's them being dangerous, the most dangerous.
Speaker 1: Thank you for stalking about, bro.
Speaker 3: Well, appreciate you, man, Thank you man, appreciate you. Appreciate
Speaker 3: you all.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: All my life, grinding all my life, sacrifice, muscle.
Speaker 1: Paid the price.
Speaker 4: One slice got the brother All my life. I'll be
Speaker 4: grinding all my life, all my life, grinding all my life, sacrifice,
Speaker 4: Muscle paid the price, one slice.
Speaker 1: Got the brother.
Speaker 4: All my life. I've been grinding all my life.