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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth and Saren. Oh my god, if I got a

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Speaker 2: question for you, girl, do you know what it's ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: I do you look like you?

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Speaker 4: It's yeah, I was reading it and making faces. It's

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Speaker 4: we've gotten this from a couple listeners. But it's a

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Speaker 4: It's not a mashup unless you count the human body and.

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Speaker 3: Beef.

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Speaker 2: Depends on how they're combined.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So there's this guy in his forties.

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Speaker 4: You know, people listen to the TikTok and all about

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Speaker 4: all sorts of things, and I think one of the

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Speaker 4: worst things that they listen about.

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Speaker 2: Is like healthy advice.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, dietary advice, oral health stuff. Suddenly everyone's got whatever

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Speaker 4: condition and they self right, and then there are all

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Speaker 4: these like diets of like, well, you know, drink this

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Speaker 4: tea and you'll poop yourself.

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Speaker 3: Oh gon be great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So because I want to do that, poop myself.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 2: That's how I feel helpful.

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Speaker 3: So remember Atkins was like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was like I eat all the meat, right.

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Speaker 3: Eat all the meat, like bacon it up.

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Speaker 2: Then he I have a heart attack.

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Speaker 3: No carbs. I think he did. Actually, so this guy

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Speaker 3: in his forties.

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Speaker 4: He saw these online things about how you have to

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Speaker 4: eat like a high fat, meat heavy diet and that you'll,

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Speaker 4: you know, transcend into a body of an Adonis and

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Speaker 4: the mind of a genius. So he did that, and

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Speaker 4: every single day for eight months, he ate.

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Speaker 2: How can you think anything you do every day, like

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Speaker 2: we're going to eat the same thing every day every

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Speaker 2: eight month, eight months, How can you imagine that's gonna

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Speaker 2: be good? I mean, like, just come on, man, But.

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Speaker 4: You know what he ate every day eight months? Six

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Speaker 4: to nine pounds what of cheese, stix of butter and hamburgers,

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Speaker 4: ham murgers. I'm gonna guess the no bun so just

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Speaker 4: like ground.

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Speaker 2: So in total to nine pounds of all these things cheese.

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Speaker 2: So we're talking like two pounds of per meal.

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Speaker 4: Essentially two pounds.

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Speaker 2: Two to three pounds per meal like ground ba more

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Speaker 2: than a quarter pounder, right, because that's a quarter of

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Speaker 2: a pound. He's got to four quarter pounders to get

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Speaker 2: up to a pound. And then that's that's it, says

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Speaker 3: So he lost weight.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he had increased energy and improved mental clarity.

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Speaker 3: However, then he went to the hospital.

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Speaker 2: Because his cholesterol was through the roof hands.

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Speaker 4: The palms of his hands, his elbows, and the soles

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Speaker 4: of his feet were covered in these like smooth yellowish

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Speaker 2: It's actual cholesterol, just pooling itchlesteroleterol. It leaked out of

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Speaker 4: His cholesterol levels exceeded one thousand milligrams per desolater and

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Speaker 4: women in point three percent of men that if you

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Speaker 4: have this, you get yellow growths on your eyelids near

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Speaker 3: But it means that, like.

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Speaker 4: You know, your heart's really struggling because you got a

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Speaker 4: lot of the cholesterol you need cholesterol, but not all

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you need all the things. You need fat, you

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Speaker 2: need salt, you need cholesterol. Nothing is bad. It's the house.

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Speaker 4: He went so hard in the paint that it was

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Speaker 4: coming out of his hands, and the pictures are so gnarly.

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Speaker 4: But it's like I'm just thinking, like he must have

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, yes, well that cholesterol. Beef dogs loved him,

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Speaker 2: and cheese dogs are licking the skin.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just I am become cow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh god, dogs, You're right. That is ridiculous. Thank

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Speaker 3: you very much. What's your ridiculous takeaway?

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Speaker 2: Wow, he's going to need a moment to recover from.

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Speaker 3: I literally was reading the news article about it.

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Speaker 4: And realized I was making this really bad face, like

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Speaker 4: a stink face, And then I got to the pictures

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Speaker 4: you're making it now?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you got a second, I got one. It's

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Speaker 2: not nearly as gross, but it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth. If I say the words psychic detective, what do.

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Speaker 3: You picture a psychic detective?

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Well today I have a story for you

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Speaker 2: that will answer the question of what is the answer

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Speaker 2: to that question? And I guarantee it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 5: I love this.

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Speaker 2: This is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers,

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Speaker 2: heist and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free

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Speaker 2: and one h hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Amen.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Elizabeth, Elizabeth, We've covered so many strange stories. We've

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Speaker 2: had psychic horses, We've had pet detectives.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: Today I want to tell you a story that combines those.

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Speaker 2: For a psychic detective.

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Speaker 3: Is it a horse?

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Speaker 2: No, but it's not like a how it sounds. The

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Speaker 2: detective is not a psychic. Instead, he investigates fake psychics.

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Speaker 4: Oh yes, yes, like a dude dude Bro I talked about.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, dude Bro, just like him. This is Bob Nierguard.

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Speaker 2: He's dude. Bro's a colleague, okay, colleague. Yeah, my man

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Speaker 2: Bob is a real old school detective. Like he dresses

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Speaker 2: like an old school gum shoe he does. Yeah, his

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Speaker 2: heroes are my man Sam Spade, like the Humphrey Bogart versus.

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Speaker 3: Is he like current modern day.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he is a like two thousand teens and two

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Speaker 3: Anywhere, like a door, but not in a Milady way.

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Speaker 2: Like snap brim. Humphrey bock Art felt like, you know.

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Speaker 3: He pull it off.

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Speaker 2: It's abatable, you know, like he pulls it off.

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Speaker 3: For him.

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Speaker 2: I would say this, his attitude is right for it.

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Speaker 2: He pulls it off.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean like I would recommend that he go

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Speaker 2: you know Humphy bo Art would have worn. Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 2: but whatever, we don't even I'm not even sure if

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Speaker 4: I think most men I'm looking to useer and should

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Speaker 4: I mean everyone has the resources for that totally.

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Speaker 2: And I've got a lot of reasons to France, to

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Speaker 2: to maybe get myself some outfits, some new fits.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking to get deported something.

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Speaker 4: I don't know where to where they would deport me,

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Speaker 3: Yeah it's coming.

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Speaker 2: If they deported me, I'd have to be sent in pieces.

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Speaker 2: Some go here, some go there.

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Speaker 3: Likewise here.

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Speaker 2: So my man, Bob Niguard as I said, his personal

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Speaker 2: don't make Bob Niguard was once a cop. Not only that,

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Speaker 2: he was born in Queens, raised in Long Island, and

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Speaker 2: work in the subway in the eighties when it was

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Speaker 2: like the like, yeah, the rough eighties. Like people were like, yes, exactly,

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Speaker 2: a little post Curperco, post Bernie Getz, you know, like

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Speaker 4: And they hadn't cleaned up Times Square yet.

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, no, this was still grimy and cracky and shows, yeah,

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Speaker 2: the whole bit. Yeah. As Bob Nygard said of his

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Speaker 2: we got a real loose cannon here, Elizabeth, real cowboy.

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Speaker 2: I know how you love them now. Despite being a

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Speaker 2: wouldn't be the PI I am today without all the

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Speaker 2: lessons I learned on the street. Yeah, life on the street. Now,

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Speaker 2: late in his career as a cop, he began to

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Speaker 2: fortune telling, grifters, and this is how Bob decided to

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Speaker 2: join up with the National Association of Bunco Investigators. You

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Speaker 3: For the Yeah, like yesterday.

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Speaker 2: I know, right, I didn't even know it was the thing.

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Speaker 2: membership of Bunco Investigator.

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Speaker 4: All right, Well I have that badge Nabi.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you do have the Special Investigator mat certified.

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Speaker 3: Dude, I'm gonna start carrying that with me.

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Speaker 4: I don't know why you don't, because I used to

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Speaker 3: Now it's gonna save.

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Speaker 2: Me, yes, exactly. You go out there and fight law

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Speaker 6: So.

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Speaker 2: After Bob retired from being a cop, then he did

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Speaker 2: what so many retired New York cops too. Elizabeth he

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Speaker 2: And then once he got bored, he went back to

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Speaker 2: gonna go pro. There's enough of a market here. So

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Speaker 2: he took a PI test, got himself a license, and

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Speaker 2: now here he was the same as Magnum p I

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Speaker 2: my man Jim Rockford was a licensed private investigator.

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Speaker 3: You were short shirts under the trench.

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Speaker 2: That would be amazing, showing like thigh me.

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Speaker 3: Trend like sir, please sure, oh dear wait leave it open.

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Speaker 2: So the paradise that he picked wasn't Hawaii in the

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Speaker 2: eighties or La in the seventies. He picked Florida in

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Speaker 2: the early odds. That's when he starts his career right.

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Speaker 2: The work paid well. He earned about five grand case.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes in complicated affairs, he might charge as much as

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Speaker 2: twenty percent of what he recovered. Okay tonb a lot.

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Speaker 2: You know her minded my man Travis McGee, the fictional detective,

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Speaker 2: I like, yeah, he was a salvage consultant. He took

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Speaker 2: fifty percent of what he recovered. So this guy, Bob's

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Speaker 2: a deal.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Travis mcgee'e, you do, I know, right? I think

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Speaker 4: everyone's got to have like a detective.

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Speaker 2: Who's their detective?

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Speaker 4: Their mine would be bosh, yes, lash, Yes, that's.

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Speaker 2: Very creating for you.

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Speaker 2: So where well? Oh yeah, Bob, he decides to become

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Speaker 2: Is so suitable for you, Like you go to your

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Speaker 2: I don't know. So the doctor told Bob that she

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Speaker 2: According to the doctor, her coworker, I'm assuming a nurse

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Speaker 2: Those are the fears that the psychic starts to leverage, right,

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Speaker 2: She says, Oh, I can lift this curse, but of

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's the most sacred of places.

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Speaker 2: Wall exactly so. But this wasn't all. The doctor also

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Speaker 3: Those candles better small gag.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm telling you, and long burning, I hope. So

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Speaker 2: after she finished telling Bob her said sad tale of whoa,

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Speaker 2: Now she was not the first or the only victim

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Speaker 2: You know what, I haven't given you a proper d

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Speaker 3: Right, whimper, no, no, maybe.

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Speaker 2: Close your eyes. I'm gonna rob it. I'm robbing it.

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Speaker 2: who then took the egg, cracked it, and Elizabeth, a

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Speaker 2: That did it? The lawyer knew she was cursed, right.

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Speaker 4: You know, I'd be thinking I have such an ego

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Speaker 3: I curse you, you know, curse what's curses over here?

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Speaker 2: I lose it worked on That little magic trick was

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Speaker 2: informs the young attorney that she's possessed. Right, and then

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Speaker 2: she had not one, not two, but ninety nine evil

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Speaker 2: spirits inhabiting her body, Elizabeth, and exactly right, and soon

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Speaker 2: being rich. Ain't one right her one of her ninety

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Speaker 2: a little break. We'll use How about this, You use

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm gonna work on that, all right, Elizabeth, We're back,

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Speaker 3: Yes we are.

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Speaker 2: How you enjoined Bob Niguard.

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Speaker 4: I love this. I'm loving this so far. But I

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So.

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Speaker 2: In twenty eighteen, Bob Niguard gave an interview to the

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Speaker 2: It's exactly what it sounds like. It's a website devoted

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Speaker 2: Bob Niguard was asked, quote, do you go into every

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Speaker 3: I love it. I'm right on track with him.

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Speaker 2: The reason he remains extra suspicious is due to what

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Speaker 2: that I investigate. When I first screened the call and

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Speaker 2: and there are patterns tall Marks. If you will start

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Speaker 2: So boom, now back to tack attack attack exactly, but

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Speaker 2: also just like destabilize, like separate from all family and people,

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Speaker 4: She somehow transported half of a dead what animal?

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Speaker 4: Someone tells you this, and like I said, I should

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Speaker 4: Your curse for touching this, your curse for doing that.

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Speaker 2: Now you're everyone's curse, your whole family cursed. So well. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Do you want to you want to guess how? They

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Speaker 2: despite the jungle hike and the GPS coordinates and the giant.

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00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,439
Speaker 3: Mosquito, large mosquito, the psychic told.

440
00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,920
Speaker 2: The young attorney she needed to do some more psychic

441
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,840
Speaker 2: battle to get her fully free of the ninety nine demons.

442
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,960
Speaker 2: There's ninety nine of them. So also she had good news.

443
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 2: The young attorney was secretly among one of the select

444
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:11,960
Speaker 2: few who were called to save the world.

445
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,640
Speaker 3: Oh that's great coincidence.

446
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,880
Speaker 2: He's even better than that, Elizabeth, because she was part

447
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,880
Speaker 2: of an ultra secret group known as the Group of Twelve.

448
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 2: It was so ultra secret that the Young Attorney didn't

449
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,480
Speaker 2: even know she was a member. The Group of Twelve

450
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,399
Speaker 2: was an ultra secret cabal that was representative of the

451
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:30,960
Speaker 2: twelve Disciples of Jesus Christ.

452
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,000
Speaker 3: I'm part of it, you know.

453
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 2: It has number seven. The young Attorney was key to

454
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 2: the group's future, since one day she would have twins,

455
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,439
Speaker 2: and not just any old twins, Elizabeth. One of her

456
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:46,439
Speaker 2: children would usher in the apocalypse. Oh fun, you probably

457
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 2: guessed it. One of her twins would be the newly

458
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 2: returned Savior, the prophesied Messiah come back to Earth to

459
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 2: do battle against the Antichrist. Just come to earth, depending

460
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 2: on how you view the whole story. Sure, now, that

461
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,720
Speaker 2: must have been a lot to hear from this poor woman.

462
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,399
Speaker 2: I mean, one day you're rubbing an egg on your

463
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,440
Speaker 2: naked body, trying to lift a curse, get free of

464
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 2: your ninety nine demons. The next day you find out

465
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,359
Speaker 2: you're gonna be mother to Jesus two point zero. Yeah,

466
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 2: that's heavy, right. Also, imagine just the the poor other twin,

467
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 2: who isn't Jesus the return like that kid? Yes, and

468
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 2: I'm jeff this is my son Jesus Junior, my other boy. Hi,

469
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 2: I'm Jeff, I'm Chef. So yeah, you got like this

470
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 2: one's like, is the twins special at all? It also

471
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,399
Speaker 2: is it identical twins? Like you look like Jesus, but

472
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 2: you've got none of the powers.

473
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,679
Speaker 3: Well then you're like go around pretending you're Jesus.

474
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:37,919
Speaker 2: Or is it like that they're paternal twins but they

475
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 2: don't look alike and you're like, oh, yeah, god's his father.

476
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 2: My dad's Greg, you know.

477
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 3: Like praternal twins and he's you know.

478
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 2: You imagine your twin brothers performing miracles, life of the party,

479
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 2: this one.

480
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 3: Walking on the water.

481
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 2: Everybody loves them, and you're like, oh, I'm a shepherd.

482
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but maybe he excels an other thing.

483
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 2: This is true. Maybe you're right, I shouldn't.

484
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 4: It's like Jeff is a master of the harpsichord and

485
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 4: like his tunes just you know, unite.

486
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 2: The world totally. They make the heavens come alive here

487
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 2: on earth. Music, Well mind, psyche Gina remarks. She convinces

488
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 2: his young attorney that she's going to be the new Mary,

489
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 2: the mother of the next Jesus. But at this point

490
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,159
Speaker 2: the attorney is like, Okay, I'm starting to have some doubts.

491
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 2: So eventually the deaths blossom into rational thoughts and this

492
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 2: is when she hires Bob Niguard to come and get

493
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 2: her money back. So now he's got two clients trying

494
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 2: to get him to track down the same scammer. Bob

495
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 2: takes a trip to find the childhood maid who first

496
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 2: placed the curse, and would you believe it, he found

497
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 2: her because the psychic told the attorney that her Haitian

498
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 2: maid was dead, and turns out she was very much

499
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 2: still on this side of the grass, and Niguard spoke

500
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 2: with her. Not only that, he filmed the conversation, brought

501
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:53,919
Speaker 2: it back and he played it for the young attorney

502
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 2: so she could like believe everything she sees.

503
00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 4: Right, this giant mosquitos exactly, I want this pictures, pictures.

504
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 2: It didn't happen. So that is what she now. She

505
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,679
Speaker 2: faces the truth, right, she's she's been conned. There's no

506
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 2: doubt about it. And here's what I haven't told you yet.

507
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,919
Speaker 2: There was way more than the naked egg rubbing. And

508
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 2: then she was tricked into doing to lift this curse.

509
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 2: As Bob Nigart learned in his investigation. By the way,

510
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 2: so the young attorney had to keep a spit jar

511
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 2: under her bed. She had to spit in it all

512
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 2: the time, and it was covered in a black pillow case.

513
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 2: And this was to ward off evil spirits.

514
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 6: Right.

515
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 2: She also was only.

516
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 3: Supposed to eat red potential suitors.

517
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 2: Friends, suitors, roommates. She was also only supposed to eat

518
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 2: red fruits. Okay, I don't know, but for whatever reason,

519
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 2: but it's supposed to be symbolic of blood. Sure, I

520
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 2: don't know if she was like only eating red fruits,

521
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 2: like she wasn't eating bread, but that's what I read.

522
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 4: I could do only red fruits of the fruit that

523
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 4: I would eat.

524
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 2: If the flesh was red. But like what if they're.

525
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, so, like really good strawberries and aren't white

526
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 4: in the center.

527
00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 2: You know, or pomegranate, dragonfruit, yeah, watermes start fruit, one

528
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 2: of those.

529
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 4: Ones red, a deep red watermelon.

530
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 2: That'd be good.

531
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 5: Yeah.

532
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 2: So, But beyond the fruits and the spit jar, she

533
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 2: was all supposed to give her psychic tissue and bodily

534
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 2: fluid samples such as hair clippings. You're in samples, So

535
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 2: right there, I'm gonna have my dots. If you're exactly

536
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 2: if you're psychic asking for a poop sample, I'm like, okay,

537
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 2: wait a minute. Also, she gave the young attorney some

538
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 2: old tricks, the kind you might give to a high

539
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 2: school wrestler who's trying to cut weight before a big match. Yeah.

540
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 2: She told her to rub a special gel all over

541
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 2: her naked body. I guess this is after the eggs

542
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 2: a lot of naked body, and then wrap herself in

543
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 2: a clear plastic cling wrap, like like sand wrap. Yeah,

544
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 2: and then go jogging for six miles with no imagin're

545
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 2: supposed to put on like a tracksuit or slats. I

546
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 2: guess the idea is that demons are much like me.

547
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,719
Speaker 2: They don't like to jog, and you're gonna get rid

548
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 2: of demons if you jogging. So the psychic Geena remarks

549
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 2: a right, she goes for broke. She tells the attorney

550
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 2: to at one point to lie down on her floor

551
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 2: like she's on an imaginary crucifix, and to recite prayers

552
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 2: to prepare herself as preparation to be the mother of

553
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: Jesus two point zero. And lastly, she told her, you

554
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,719
Speaker 2: need to stop taking birth control girl, because you need

555
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 2: to get pregnant for the law, and so, you know,

556
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 2: because you're going to bring back the Princess Peace. I

557
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 2: don't think so. No, yeah, no, she's gonna have to

558
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 2: go find like she's got God. You know, he's you know,

559
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 2: she's a husband per se in this case, you know,

560
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 2: it's gonna the holy Holy Inseminator. So after she'd been

561
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 2: through all this and thoroughly fleeced as I said, she

562
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 2: turns to Bob Niguard, right, psychic detective who's already working

563
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 2: the same perp for a different client, so now he's

564
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 2: working them both. Takes four years of investigating, four years. Yes,

565
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 2: he turns over his evidence, sixty five thousand dollars worth

566
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 2: of fraud that he can track down, and he gives

567
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 2: him to the Briard County DA to pursue. They pursue

568
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 2: with charges. Then Geinaber remarks, goes on the run, and

569
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 2: the rest warrants issue. The psychic pulls a new magic trick.

570
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 2: She disappears. Yeah, she's now wanted, by the way, in

571
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 2: multiple states. She's faced justice in other states prior to this.

572
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 2: I'm just leaving out for the cleanliness of the story,

573
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 2: but Bob Niguard, psychic detective, is the one who brings

574
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 2: her to justice. The PI was there when she was

575
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 2: finally caught it, so he put it attractor to New York,

576
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 2: tractor to Phoenix, tractor to King's Beach, California. He's bouncing

577
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 2: around the map, right, and then finally he caught up

578
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 2: to her again in Florida. Though. But rather than me

579
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 2: tell you about it, Elizabeth, close your eyes and I'd

580
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 2: like you to picture it. Lizlie, It's twenty seventeen and

581
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 2: you are presently at the Miami International Airport. You are

582
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 2: seated at the gate waiting to board a flight to Barcelona, Spain.

583
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 2: You've been there before, had a beautiful time, and you've

584
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 2: been looking forward to going back. You've been invited to

585
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 2: travel to Barcelona to take part in a book festival.

586
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 2: A novel you wrote has been translated into Spanish and

587
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 2: become a bestseller in a second language. The whole thing

588
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 2: amuses you. Never did you think any of this would

589
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 2: happen when you wrote your novel about dog trainers in

590
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 2: the San Diego area and your journey to become a

591
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 2: stripper who doesn't take off any of her clothes. It's

592
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 2: a comical novel with the tie at sloths. We wear

593
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 2: robes anyway. At the moment, you're waiting for your flight,

594
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 2: as you eavesdrop on the folks seated near you, a

595
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 2: writer's habit, if ever there was one. As you scan

596
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 2: the crowd, you hear an announcement over the pa your

597
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 2: flight will begin boarding, sir. Then you see it, a

598
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 2: man in a snap brim fedora staring at you. He

599
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 2: looks like a noir detective who stepped right off the

600
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 2: pages of a Sam Spade mystery book. As you check him,

601
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 2: you get the feeling he's maybe not staring at you.

602
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 2: You casually turn and see these looking past you at

603
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 2: a woman who's also wearing a fedora. Interesting, you think,

604
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 2: you wonder if they know each other. Maybe they're both detectives.

605
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 2: There's a man with her. He looks to be her husband,

606
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 2: based on how they're somewhat short with each other. They

607
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 2: look nervous, a little worried. Maybe the noir detective is

608
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 2: clocking their every move. Then it hits you, oh, he's

609
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 2: a cop or a PI. He's clearly watching them. Then

610
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 2: you remember where you saw him and that same woman before.

611
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 2: It was at the TSA security line. They were in

612
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 2: line near you. The husband and wife were fighting then too.

613
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 2: The airline staff is getting ready at the gate. Now

614
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 2: they're almost ready to start boarding the plane. You watch

615
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 2: the man and the snap brim fedora as he checks

616
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 2: his watch. Then he cranes his neck to see if

617
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 2: anyone is approaching. At least that's what it looks like.

618
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 2: Then you spotted what the man in the fedora must

619
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 2: have been looking for. Two Miami Dade Sheriff's deputies emerge

620
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: from the crowd. They're headed right for your gate. Oh

621
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 2: it's about to get good, you think to yourself. He

622
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 2: watched the two deputies. They walk right up to the

623
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: woman in the white fedora and her husband. She looks

624
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 2: up at them, and you listen intently. As the deputies

625
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,479
Speaker 2: introduce themselves. They asked the woman to stand up. You

626
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 2: turn to see the man in the snap brim fedora

627
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: practically leap out of his seat. He walks over to

628
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 2: the deputies. He reaches them just as one of the

629
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 2: deputies says to the woman, we have a warrant for

630
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 2: your arrest. You need to come with us. The look

631
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: on her face is priceless. The man in the snap.

632
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 2: Brim Fedora introduces himself to the deputies as Bob Nygard,

633
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 2: psychic detective. It was him who called them to report her,

634
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 2: he says. The deputies thank them for his service. Then

635
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 2: you hear Bob say, you see that total look of

636
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 2: shock on her face. That's the look of justice. So

637
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 2: there you go what it feels like when Bob Nyguard

638
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 2: gets justice. Now, I think my man Samsbay would have

639
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: been a little had a snappier line. Perhaps it probably

640
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 2: been like she'd the look of a girl who someone

641
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 2: just stole her birthday cake right out of her hands,

642
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 2: And I was that jerk right now. Jeana Marimarks had

643
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 2: been caught by Bob Nyguard for a third time. At

644
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 2: this point, she was tried, sentenced, and convicted to six

645
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 2: years in prison. Trying to catch her over and over again.

646
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 2: He's finally this is the time, bit center, Yeah, this

647
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 2: is literally he gets his first case and then is

648
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 2: his repeater.

649
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 6: Yah.

650
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 2: Now, if you're wondering, it's not always easy to get

651
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 2: justice for the vics of these fraudulent fortune tellers, because one,

652
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 2: there aren't many laws to apply in the state of

653
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 2: New York. There is an old law that makes prognostication

654
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 2: and sooth's saying a misdemeanor, but it's like a five

655
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 2: hundred dollars fine, maybe three months in jail if the

656
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 2: judge wants to be a hard ass. But if the

657
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 2: psychic milks the victim for enough money, they can cross

658
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 2: over into grand theft or possible larceny. And if that happens,

659
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 2: then a fortune teller can catch real time like up

660
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 2: to twenty five years in the state pen if a

661
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 2: judge really wants to throw the book at him.

662
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

663
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 2: Now, but this is always once again, if the DA

664
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 2: even wants to pursue the case to get it before

665
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 2: the judge, which they often don't because you don't make

666
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 2: many political points or smart headlines for busting a psychic.

667
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 5: Right.

668
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 2: In fact, he can actually look silly and trivial. Yeah, So,

669
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 2: as Bob Niguard would point out to the folks at

670
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: the DA's office that quote, the women who are part

671
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 2: of these criminal enterprises commit fortune telling, fraud, sweetheart swindles, shoplifting,

672
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 2: an insurance fraud. It's organized crime and usually a family affair.

673
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: So he's trying to make it like it's like I'm

674
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 2: like mob families organized crime. It's a family affair. I'm like,

675
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 2: do they have omerica? And is there a code of silence?

676
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 3: Yeah?

677
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 2: So the FBI has come to Bob Nayguard and ask

678
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 2: for his help when they're dealing with psychics. Oh wow,

679
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. And he's also told them no, just flat

680
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 2: out to their face, like I ain't helping you some

681
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 2: like former city cop beef with the FEDS who like

682
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 2: love to take a collar from a good cop. No,

683
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 2: it's not that, it's just a principled refusal. Bob Nigard

684
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 2: told the FBI that the bureau was missing the bigger

685
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 2: point and he wouldn't work with them untill they understood it. Essentially,

686
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 2: he cautioned the g men and I quote, I don't

687
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 2: know if psychic powers exist. I told the FBI that

688
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: they are approaching the problem the wrong way. What's at

689
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 2: the heart of psychic fraud theft, larceny fraud. He's like

690
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 2: a real cop cop, so Bob reframed for the FBI

691
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 2: how fortune tellers can be seen as real criminals and

692
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 2: not as these like harmless for really, you know, milking

693
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 2: the rubes for a quick, harmless hey day. Yeah, so

694
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 2: Bob told the FBI. Quote the psychic forces someone to

695
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: buy a very expensive watch to quote turn back the

696
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 2: hands of time, and promises destroy the watch with a

697
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 2: hammer or throw it into the ocean. And in fact

698
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 2: neither destroys the watch or throws it into the ocean.

699
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 2: There's no crime. But if that psychic takes the watch

700
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 2: to a pawnshop and gets cash for it, that's fraud.

701
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: That's theft. Boom. So he's like trying to go like,

702
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 2: here's the parameters for the crime. You know, there are

703
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 2: specific components. But once you cross lines, Yeah, nail on

704
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: with real, real charges.

705
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, that'll stick.

706
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 2: Boom. Over his first forty cases, he brought enough evidence

707
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 2: that led to the prosecution of twenty five different charlatans

708
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 2: and phony fortune tellers.

709
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 3: Nice.

710
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bob was able to recover three million dollars over

711
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 2: the first forty case. He's still working, he's still doing

712
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: his thing. Yeah, he's a psychic detective. You don't want

713
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 2: to mess with. Shut your mouth. I'm just talking about Bob.

714
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 4: When you every time you say Bob Niguard, I keep

715
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 4: thinking of doctor Richard Niguard.

716
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 3: This interest parks and rec.

717
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 2: Uh huh is it crossing like wires in your head.

718
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, well, Elizabeth, let's take another little break

719
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 2: and after these messages to see if you can guess

720
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 2: the next client I'll tell you about from the Bob

721
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 2: Niguard casebook. I'll give you a hint. It's a cosmic

722
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 2: con job, like literally cosmic, as in from space.

723
00:33:55,040 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 7: Oh, Elizabeth, Elizabeth, we're back.

724
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're you.

725
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 2: Ready to hear it? From the another case from the

726
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 2: Bob Nygard casebook, zaren am, I give you the phony

727
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 2: Stolen Meteorite Caper?

728
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 3: Oh? I like this right?

729
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 2: Okay again. This story starts with a woman having a

730
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: bad one psychic spots her sees dollar signs in her suffering.

731
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

732
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 2: In this case, the young woman a thirty something with

733
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 2: a master's degree, but who'd recently gone through a bad breakup.

734
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 2: Now she was living alone in New York, babbling persistent depression.

735
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 2: One night, she manages to get herself out of the

736
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 2: house to go see a friend for dinner. She's like

737
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 2: at seventy seventh Street on the Upper East Side of Manhattan.

738
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 2: She stepped off the curb and nearly walks into this

739
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 2: other woman who's like bustling by a very strange woman

740
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: died bad die job. Her name is Velvet, Elizabeth. Guess what?

741
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 2: Velvet was a psychic?

742
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 3: Oh really?

743
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: And and she could see in this young woman's eyes that,

744
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 2: as she said, right there in the street after bumping

745
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 2: into her, there's something wrong with you. I see darkness

746
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 2: surrounding you. So the young woman paused. She listened to

747
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 2: the stranger's warning of ominous portent. But then the psychic

748
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 2: told her that she could save the young woman. She

749
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 2: could fix the dark aura all around you. She promised,

750
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 2: we can help. Now. She hands the young woman a flyer,

751
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 2: and being a New Yorker, the young woman had been

752
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 2: handed many flyers and felt the scam energy coming. But

753
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 2: she took the flyer anyway and pretend promised I might

754
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 2: stop by, thanks, And then she had rushed off to

755
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 2: meet her friend for dinner. Now, all during the meal,

756
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 2: the words there's something wrong with you, a dark aura

757
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 2: kept repeating in her mind. Right, there's something wrong with you.

758
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 2: We can't help. Guess what happens next, Elizabeth, She you

759
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 2: must be psychic, that's right, I am. She fished the

760
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 2: flyer out of her purse, and she makes up her

761
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 2: mind to go see Velvet with the bad hair ed eye.

762
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 2: When she went to the fortune teller spot, she gets

763
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 2: introduced to the big boss, Lady Betty Vlado. Now what

764
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 2: happens next would result in the sixth case from the

765
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 2: files of Bob Niguard, the Phony Stolen Meteorite Caper. The

766
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 2: year was twenty thirteen. When the young woman contacted the

767
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 2: psychic detective. She looked online for help after being scammed.

768
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 2: One name kept popping up, Bob Niguard. You need Bob Niguard.

769
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 2: By the time she hired him, she was already down

770
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: fifty grand to Betty Vlado and Velvet. Remember what Bob

771
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 2: said about a psychic making you buy watches, Yeah, this

772
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 2: is the case where that comes from.

773
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 3: Oh okay.

774
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 2: The idea was that the psychic would use watches to

775
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 2: turn back time. Yeah, like just like like yeah, if

776
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 2: I could turn back task.

777
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 3: So like literally their analog watches.

778
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 2: Yes, they're going to turn They're gonna wind the time backwards.

779
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 3: You know what. Curse me, curse you.

780
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: So that was the deal. The young one was supposed

781
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 2: to buy not one, but two Rolexes.

782
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 4: That's the you know, because you need the smooth second hand.

783
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: Demons appreciate the smooth secondhand motion. They get yess exactly,

784
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 2: they're terrified, but it doesn't click, like, how is this magic.

785
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 3: Happening only from a rollie? That's all you can do.

786
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 2: The time pieces were going to be purified, of course,

787
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 2: through prayer, chanting, ritual baths. And then also, yeah, exactly,

788
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 2: well you since you were kind of, you know, like

789
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,959
Speaker 2: joking earlier about the demons appreciating the smooth second hand

790
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 2: It's apparently Betty Volado told her that quote, cheap materials

791
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 2: would lead to cheap results. You try to get the best,

792
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 2: you know you do. So the plan wasn'ts like it

793
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 2: would take the two rolexes up to a sacred lake

794
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania. There she would perform a ceremony to turn

795
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 2: back time, and she would dunk the Rolexes in the

796
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: sacred lake, and then that would break the curse. I

797
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 2: think she said she'd like toss him into him, like

798
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 2: you know, the sword and like throwing it into.

799
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 3: The No, no, she's like, I threw him in there

800
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 3: there in the center of the lake.

801
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 2: Wank wank center. So when that failed to fully remove

802
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 2: the curse, Betty Volado said, don't you worry girl. She

803
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 2: had a new ritual ready to clear up any residual

804
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 2: demon presence in her. She told the woman she needed

805
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 2: a space rock. Oh, but not just any old moon rock.

806
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 2: I mean, anyone get a moon rock, steal those anyway. No,

807
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 2: she need to get her hands on a meteorite. That

808
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 2: would do the trick. And when you know what, the

809
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 2: psychic had a line on a meteorite for us. It's easy, Yeah,

810
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 2: she was. It was hot, it was stolen. It was

811
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 2: a hot rock. The meteorite was stolen from NASA by

812
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 2: someone in Betty Volado's social circle. She knew an insider

813
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 2: at NASA. Hey, I know a guy I got no guy,

814
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 2: get you, Yeah, I do. I bet I got it

815
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 2: from like a jeweler.

816
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 3: So it's a little bit different.

817
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: Anyway. The cost for this hot rock was fourteen five

818
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 2: hundred dollars day. Yeah. When the young woman scoffed at

819
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 2: the stolen meteorite, Betty Volado calmed any concern she may have.

820
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 2: How did she do that? Great question, Elizabeth? With the

821
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 2: combined power of Oprah Winfrey and Donald Trump, the fortune

822
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 2: teller said it was well known amongst those in the

823
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 2: know that both Trump and Oprah credit their phenomenal success

824
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 2: to quote meteorites.

825
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, totally.

826
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 2: I don't know if they ward off evil spirits or

827
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 2: they means whatever it was. I couldn't find the answer

828
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 2: for Elizabeth, but the rationale is something that the young

829
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 2: woman went for. She's like, totally, I need a meteor

830
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 2: so media Metia Rachel good enough for Gail's best friend

831
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 2: or good enough for her. So she bought the fourteen

832
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 2: thousand dollars hot rock from NASA from her psychic and

833
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 2: get this, Elizabeth, there was no change in her depression.

834
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the demons, the curse, it all held strong.

835
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 2: Finally she becomes skeptical. She had her meteorite evaluated and

836
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 2: a gemologist told her it was actually a chunk of

837
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 2: quartz crystal oh mys and price tag about three hundred

838
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 2: and fifty dollars.

839
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 3: Wow.

840
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 2: Paid fourteen five hundred for it.

841
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 3: Wow.

842
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,439
Speaker 2: So after Bob Niguard handed evidence over to the DA

843
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 2: in this case enough for them to prosecute Betty Vlado,

844
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 2: as a reward, the young woman gave him the phony meteorite.

845
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: It's a keepsake from the case. So if you go

846
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 2: and you see Bob and you go to his living room.

847
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 2: There you will see the conversation starter out just on display,

848
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 2: a trophy from his times in the streets, the reminder

849
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 2: of justice delivered.

850
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

851
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 2: Now, if you're wondering, the big Boss psychic Lady Betty

852
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 2: Vlado was tried, convicted, and sentenced to one to three

853
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 2: years in prison. She did one full year behind bars. Now,

854
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 2: next up we have the Peaches Stephens affair.

855
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 3: Peaches Stephen's affair.

856
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 2: Right like this, So Bob Niguard rumpled p I would

857
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 2: put it. Quote, Yes, Peaches Stevens. She was out of

858
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 2: the New Orlando area. She ripped off my client. I

859
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 2: got involved in the case and it went to the

860
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 2: Orlando State Attorney's office, but they wouldn't even return our

861
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 2: phone calls. They even kicked her out of the office.

862
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 2: I wanted to help this woman, but I had no

863
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 2: idea how I was going to because the Orlando State

864
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 2: at Turnerney's office wouldn't prosecute the case. I was at

865
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: my wits end. So what does Bob do to get justice? Elizabeth?

866
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 2: Back to Niguard. My phone rings and that's a producer

867
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 2: from the Anderson Cooper Show. They read about me and

868
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 2: wanted to know if there were any cases I wanted

869
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 2: to publicize. I told my client, if we're gonna have

870
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 2: any shot, it's gotta be going on the show. Yeah. So,

871
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 2: not only that, he has a very specific plan to

872
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 2: get the attention of the State's Attorney's office, as Bob

873
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 2: puts it, So I said to the producer, I'll let

874
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 2: my client go on the show, but only on one condition.

875
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: If Anderson promises he'll let her take the microphone and

876
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 2: blast the Orlando State Attorney's Office for not doing their job. Now, Elizabeth,

877
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 2: as you know, the producers love that kind of conflict.

878
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 2: They booked his client and she did indeed blast the

879
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 2: State Attorney's office. Back to Bob. Within a few days

880
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 2: of that airing, the psychic was under arrest, and it

881
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,280
Speaker 2: wasn't long after that that my client had her one

882
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty six thousand dollars back. This is what

883
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 2: we call a happy ending now, believe it or not,

884
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,280
Speaker 2: That's only part of his legal fights against the psychic,

885
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,919
Speaker 2: Peaches stevens Oh Now, just like Gena Marie Marks, Bob

886
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 2: Nyguard was called out by multiple former clients to get justice.

887
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 4: That's so crazy when he has all these people complaining

888
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 4: about the same person.

889
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 2: Is it Peacha Stevens. So Peaches Stevens was a classic

890
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 2: street level con artist. She could read people with just

891
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 2: the look. When she saw a young woman walking in Manhattan,

892
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 2: Peaches approached the thirty one year old woman and said

893
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 2: to her, I am a psychic, and I see spirits

894
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 2: swirling around you that must dwell inside your body. Oh

895
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 2: it sounds like sound familiar. The young New Yorker was

896
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: taken aback. But it was New York and people said

897
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 2: weird stuff to other people all the time, and they're

898
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 2: always looking to work some angle, a con whatever. So

899
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 2: but the psychic was persistent, persuasive. She even seemed genuinely

900
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 2: worried about the young woman. She said, I see you

901
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 2: have three evil spirits inside of you. Now, technically she

902
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 2: had two adult spirits and one of the spirits was

903
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 2: pregnant with an evil baby spirit two and a half.

904
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 2: So depending on how you count, yeah, when does the

905
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 2: baby spirit become its own spirit? So the young woman

906
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 2: paused to listen to what else Peaches Stevens saw in her.

907
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 2: She had some good news for the young woman. The

908
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 2: Sayakak told her, I see something special in you you

909
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 2: were born under a lucky star. So that's what I

910
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 2: thought too. So the reason why the young woman was

911
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 2: willing to listen was that she'd begun to doubt herself

912
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 2: after a bitter divorce. She also had job stress, She

913
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 2: had a bad ankle from an old injury. This woman

914
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 2: was hobbled in so many ways, right, So I remember

915
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 2: Peaches can read a person. So Peaches convinces the young

916
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 2: woman to come with her to get something to eat

917
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 2: and to talk more. They go to a Chipotle. This right,

918
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 2: it reminded me of you're always like Chipotle is pretty good,

919
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 2: Like I heard that when I was reading it. And

920
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 2: the fast casual Mexican restaurant. The two women continued talking

921
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 2: and they bonded because remember Peaches is pretending that she

922
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 2: cares deeply, and the woman is like, nobody's cared for

923
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 2: me in a long time. I live in the city,

924
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 2: anonymous and alone. So at the end of the meal,

925
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 2: Peaches gives the young woman a flyer for her psychic shop.

926
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,240
Speaker 2: He's like, you need to come over, it's right by NYU,

927
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 2: and she's like, okay, I will not. A week later,

928
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 2: the young woman takes the trip over to see Peaches Stevens.

929
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 2: When she's there for her first visit, the psychic tells

930
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 2: her that she can sense what's wrong, right, what it

931
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 2: all stems from. It's the young woman's stepmother's fault. She said, yes,

932
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 2: oh my god, yes, she placed a curse on you. Yes,

933
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 2: because you know the old adage Elizabeth went in doubt

934
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 2: blame a woman in America. I mean, it's just anyway,

935
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 2: some time passes, the two get to work to undo

936
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,479
Speaker 2: this curse. And you know what that means? Strip down,

937
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 2: rub an egg all over yo body. I don't know.

938
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 4: And I still if I went to someone they said

939
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 4: there's a curse on you, I'd be all right.

940
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 3: So what are we going to do to curse this person?

941
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, get aggressive, move the curse like no, I

942
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 4: want a more powerful.

943
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 2: Throw the curse on them, multiple curses, the curses of

944
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 2: a thousand years.

945
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, get me a crone curse, do this.

946
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 2: I want one that lasts for like her grandchildren. So

947
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 2: in this case, Peaches did the egg rubbing herself. Peaches

948
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 2: rub the egg, honored this woman's head to all over

949
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 2: her body to gather her energy. And then same thing,

950
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 2: she cracked the egg. You wanted to guess what came

951
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 2: out this time?

952
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 4: Spider?

953
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 2: No, live black spider. Nope, it was a dead baby snake.

954
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 2: This is dead baby snake. So Peaches had the yeah,

955
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 2: I know right. I was like, I didn't want to

956
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 2: tell you, but I had had to just for the variety.

957
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 2: So Peaches then add the young woman brought it to

958
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 2: I don't know, Yeah, she've had had one. Sometimes she's

959
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 2: got a market because people know how to get meteorites,

960
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 2: dead baby snakes. They got a whole black market. We

961
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 2: don't know about Elizabeth. So the young woman at this

962
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 2: point is told by Peaches to spit into a jar, like,

963
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 2: did you bring your spit jar? No, here, spit, I've

964
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 2: got a jar you can spit into. So, just like

965
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,919
Speaker 2: with Gina Mariemarks, she goes and she has a woman's spit,

966
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 2: but in this case we know exactly the process. She

967
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 2: had her spit into clean water that's in this jar.

968
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 2: And when as soon as this woman spit hit the water,

969
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 2: apparently it thickened into this mass and it turned into

970
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 2: like a bloodlike blobby mass. I don't know how she

971
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 2: did this, but apparently like changed colors and consistency and

972
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 2: turned into like a gross mass. And then the Peaches

973
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 2: gasp and said it's proof of the curs.

974
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 6: Right.

975
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 2: So then luckily Peach is new just what to do.

976
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 4: Though, she is just like buying out all of the

977
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 4: magic shop stuff.

978
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, just mix it up.

979
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 2: Got a couple of amateurs, a couple like dragon candles.

980
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 2: So she tells her, you know, do you have fourteen

981
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 2: thousand dollars? Apparently this is the number, so it's a

982
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 2: very specific amount. These uh, these spirit workers like they

983
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 2: have very specific amounts the spirit world requires them to receive.

984
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: This help is that we need exactly. Also, it kind

985
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 2: of reminds me. Do you hear the old George Carlin

986
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 2: bit where he's like talking about God needs money?

987
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 3: Right?

988
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, God loves you and he needs money. He

989
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 6: always needs money. He's all powerful, all perfect, all knowing

990
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 6: and all wise. Somehow just can't handle money.

991
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 2: So anyway, apparently the whole spiritual world is like that,

992
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 2: because demons also need money. Sure, yeah, everybody needs but

993
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 2: you know, anyway, the young woman does as she's told,

994
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 2: she gets money, and the money she's gathered it wasn't enough.

995
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,919
Speaker 2: Peach is like, I know, you can do better. Than this.

996
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 2: So eventually the young woman wires Peaches ten large. Peach

997
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 2: is like this is a start. Then she's like, well,

998
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 2: what did you need more? And we're almost four more grand.

999
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 2: So then Peaches gets her to send her twenty one

1000
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 2: and twenty five dollars in gift cards to sax fifth

1001
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 2: Avenue and one for Bloomingdale's. Demons like the shop girl.

1002
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,919
Speaker 2: Don't don't you judgmental? They like they like a good

1003
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 2: clean fit, They like expensive fashions. Demons are repulsed by non.

1004
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 3: Luxury goods, a little demonic.

1005
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 2: I remember, better materials, better results, you can pay for exactly,

1006
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 2: you know. So the demons they also wanted a Cardia watch,

1007
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 2: so the young woman thought it seven nine dollars Cardier

1008
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 2: watch for Peaches and the spiritual battles. I guess the

1009
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 2: demons were scared off by the diamond encrusted bezels because

1010
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 2: in the smooth motion. Because eventually, after four years of fighting,

1011
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 2: the demons were still inhabiting her soul. They had released

1012
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 2: some of their grip, but you shoot not free of

1013
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 2: the curse. The young woman tabulated all the money she'd

1014
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 2: given to Peaches over their time together. It was thirty

1015
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 2: two large. Goodness by this time was twenty fourteen. So

1016
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 2: she tries to contact Peaches and she's like the numbers disconnected.

1017
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 2: The next year, the young woman searches for help online.

1018
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,760
Speaker 2: Whose name does she find. Yeah, Bob Niguard, psychic detective.

1019
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 2: I love him now, as a young woman recalled, I

1020
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 2: was determined to get justice. Bob Niguard gave me instant

1021
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 2: relief because I stopped feeling so helpless, and he did

1022
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 2: not pass judgment on me.

1023
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 4: He's like, better than these psychics. You're healing their totally

1024
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:33,720
Speaker 4: their psychic needs.

1025
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 2: They're actually helping them. Yeah, she's making them feel somewhat

1026
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 2: like heard here Ford, Yeah, and then like some justice valid.

1027
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,240
Speaker 2: He's also like Etceterrin. He's gonna give you the instant relief.

1028
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 3: Yes.

1029
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 2: So unlike the NYPD whom she had already contacted, Bob

1030
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,479
Speaker 2: took her case seriously, as she put it, Bob called

1031
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 2: me when I got back from the police station, and

1032
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 2: he offered to take her case for a percentage of

1033
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 2: the recovered fraud. Yeah, they give me a cut of

1034
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 2: that thirty two large. And he did as he promised.

1035
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 2: Though he's good to his word. Bob worked her case.

1036
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 2: He chased leads down rain soaked noir alleys. He haunted

1037
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 2: the streets decorated with pools of light cast by lonely

1038
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 2: street lamps. He tracked down Peaches Stevens.

1039
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 3: Did he play a saxophone?

1040
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 2: A lot of sax solos? Finally he located her in Florida,

1041
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 2: of all places, gives a bunch of snowbirds. They said

1042
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 2: they worked in New York. They go down to Florida.

1043
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 2: He followed her and her husband to a Denny's on

1044
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 2: Highway US one in a town called Lighthouse Point, and

1045
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 2: then he called in for backup. Sounlike the NYPD, the

1046
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 2: Florida cops sprang into action. The Palm Beach County Sheriff's

1047
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 2: deputies zoomed over to the Dennis. They arrived in time

1048
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 2: to catch the psych Just after she finished off to

1049
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 2: her Rudy two dy fresh and fruity breakfast, she was

1050
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 2: arrested outside of a CVS drug store right next door.

1051
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 3: Brands like.

1052
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 5: Good.

1053
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 2: She gets charged with grand theft because they did what

1054
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 2: Bob said. He said, Look, it's a real crime. She

1055
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 2: gets charged with grand theft. Her victim, the young woman

1056
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 2: she walked away with almost no anger at Peaches Stevens.

1057
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 3: Really, I know, right.

1058
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 2: Instead, she felt sorry for her. She grasped that Peaches

1059
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 2: was the product of a family of criminals, born into

1060
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 2: the life, never questioned who or how many people she

1061
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 2: was hurting as a young woman. Said I occasionally feel

1062
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,919
Speaker 2: a mixture of resentment and pity. Peaches was indoctrinated into

1063
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 2: her lifestyle as a child and raised to be a

1064
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 2: con artist. It's pretty that that's her life, and I

1065
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 2: got to hand it to her. I agree with that

1066
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 2: Peaches Stevens has only ever really known crime. She was

1067
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,479
Speaker 2: born into it, and it is It's kind of sad,

1068
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 2: you know so, But hold up, this is not where

1069
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 2: the story of Bob Niguard is. I have a couple

1070
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 2: more for you. Did you notice that all these victims

1071
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 2: were women?

1072
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 3: Yes, they did.

1073
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 2: I don't want you to get the idea that only

1074
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 2: women fall for this hogswoggle. Men go hard for this scam. Two, however,

1075
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 2: that will require a whole other episode, because we have

1076
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 2: different themes of manipulation and I want us to focus

1077
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 2: on thoseabe. So I'll be back next week with Part

1078
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 2: two from the case Book of Bob Niguard. Psychic detective.

1079
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 2: So what's our ridiculous takeaway here?

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00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, I think I hate these predators who

1082
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 4: we're going after people who are just really going through it.

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00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you.

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00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 4: You know, And it's like they there are other outlets

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00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 4: that are more difficult to work in. So like, if

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00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 4: you're really having this hard time, therapy would be helpful,

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00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 4: but it requires a lot of self reflection and work,

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00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 4: and it's it's not just a magic fix. And so

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00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,879
Speaker 4: these are people who are having such a hard time

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00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 4: and they're looking for help and they're told do X y.

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00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:35,720
Speaker 3: Z and it'll be fixed.

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00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 4: Yes, And you can blame your state of mind on

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00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 4: this curse or on this thing. And I find that

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00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 4: so predatory and disgusting. So that's my takeaway, Sarah.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, I'm just ye you're on a road. Well,

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00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 2: thank you for asking. My ridiculous takeaway is that I

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00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 2: really want a Rudy to d fresh and fruity.

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00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 4: When you said Denny, it was like, I would love

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00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:04,280
Speaker 4: breakfast for dinner.

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00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:10,280
Speaker 2: Yes, same, I'd love some like a good diner dinner

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00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 2: that's a breakfast. But also I did have a real one,

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00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 2: which is that the specificity of all their requests are

1103
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 2: always so interesting to me, like that I want to rolllex,

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00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,280
Speaker 2: I want to Cardie watch. It's always like this, always

1105
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 2: expensive stuff. I mean, like the fact that it's so

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00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 2: patterned and like, obviously this works. So this is a

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00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 2: narrative that they figured out that it's almost like a

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00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 2: magic spell that you were casting bit by bit by bit.

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00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 2: It's just kind of interesting to me that actually does

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00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 2: have the properties of what they want. Yeah, ultimately it's horrendous,

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00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 2: but it is a magic spell.

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00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 4: I'm going to open a business where I'm an empowering

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00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 4: curse person. So if someone's like I'm cursed, I'm like, let's.

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00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 2: Let's let's curse them.

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00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 3: Let's curse them. And now you're in charge, We're.

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00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 2: Gonna be throwing spells. We're gonna be casting curses. Get

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00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 2: ready for some forward action. We're getting aggressive, no defense,

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00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 2: all offense.

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00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 3: That's my mindset right now.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 4: It just it's like I'm not going to be a victim.

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00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna and I'm not gonna complain. It's on

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00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 4: you all gas, everybody look out.

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00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, you in the mood for a talk pack.

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00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm in the mood for it. Talk.

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00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 2: Oh oh my god, super.

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00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 3: I love cheat.

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Speaker 8: Hi Sarah, hy Elizabeth, this is kit your favorite ridiculous

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00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 8: first suitmaker. I wanted to tell you about this woman

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00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 8: named Opal Covey that my ASL class in college was

1131
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 8: super obsessed with for some reason. She ran for mayor

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00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 8: in Toledo on a platform of building an amusement park

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00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 8: in a water park and is also a self proclaimed prophetess.

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00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 8: It looks like she did a little pro wrestling thing

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00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,959
Speaker 8: in twenty nineteen, kind of a wacky ride. I feel

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00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 8: like it's up your alley, totally look into it. All right,

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Speaker 8: let's be bye.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's fantastic.

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00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 4: You know, there was a guy who every now and

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00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 4: then runs for mayor in Oakland and he wants to

1141
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 4: build like a water park at Lake Merritt.

1142
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 2: Why are the water parks? Why is that always the town?

1143
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 4: Alma, like, you know, to go back and reference parks

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00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 4: and rec.

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00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 3: Yes, the character who oh yes.

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00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 4: You know his downfall was as a teen being mayor

1147
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 4: and starting some like snow land whatever.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, don't do.

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Speaker 2: It, don't but thank you for that. That's a great recommendation.

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Speaker 2: And also to all the listeners, we've been getting some

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Speaker 2: really good recommendations recently. Thank you all, We really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: As always, you can find us online Ridiculous Crime on

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Speaker 2: We also have our website ridiculous Crime dot com. It

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Speaker 2: is a five time Tony Award winner and we're hoping

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Speaker 2: for us sixth we want yeah.

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Speaker 3: Looking good if we can put it together.

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Speaker 2: I mean we're what how I think two wards away

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Speaker 2: from our sixth egoch Yeah, so that'd be amazing. Just

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Speaker 2: keep it rolling anyway, Thanks for listening. We will catch

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