Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are
Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? So when you think about I mean,
Speaker 1: I have so many questions, I don't even know where
Speaker 1: to start.
Speaker 2: But like, if you.
Speaker 1: Think about, can you remember before Miranda and you would
Speaker 1: just go about your life and no one would recognize
Speaker 1: you or people would randomly recognize you from different things.
Speaker 2: What was it like in terms of being in the
Speaker 2: world you mean before our show?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, I feel like again because I was in
Speaker 3: this pretty successful movie when I was twelve, right, I
Speaker 3: have no no, no little darlings later Also, I mean
Speaker 3: Oscar Oscar, right, So I always had a certain, very
Speaker 3: manageable number of people got it recognizing. But so it
Speaker 3: was lianforable. It was like a little a little salt. Sure,
Speaker 3: it wasn't like an entire meat loaf. It was like
Speaker 3: a little sauce, right seasoning.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: And then do you remember when the show started to
Speaker 3: air and people started to watch it, more than like
Speaker 3: three quarters of the people that would come up to
Speaker 3: us were black men.
Speaker 2: No remember this? No, it was so I mean fascinating.
Speaker 3: And I don't think it was just me because we've
Speaker 3: all we all used to talk about it.
Speaker 2: It was weld in the very beginning days. Uh huh.
Speaker 3: It was like, surely you're not our demographic, right, what's
Speaker 3: going on?
Speaker 2: What amazing? But it was fantastic. Maybe it was the
Speaker 2: guys who wanted to watch the boxing on HBO, That's
Speaker 2: what it was.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, it was the live sports event, so it
Speaker 3: had a very bail And I don't know.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this because this is something
Speaker 1: I think about when I watch it, like in terms
Speaker 1: of the sexuality stuff, like the actual sex scenes, you know.
Speaker 1: And I struggled with this myself, which is coming up
Speaker 1: is when I locked myself in the dressing room but
Speaker 1: it hasn't happened yet. Did you think about I mean,
Speaker 1: you were.
Speaker 2: Very Are you fearless and not?
Speaker 1: I'm afraid at all times in the sex scenes to
Speaker 1: the point where I would be like, maybe I need
Speaker 1: to go when Cynthia is filming sex scenes so that
Speaker 1: I can tell Eigenberg do not grab her breast like that.
Speaker 2: You remember this? I was like, why do you grab
Speaker 2: your breast like that? You're like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's not attractive, it's like too hard.
Speaker 1: I eded to tell him that you were like whatever,
Speaker 1: you know, which I love about you, but you know, like,
Speaker 1: did you think about, like, what, what what.
Speaker 2: Are we doing here?
Speaker 1: Is this for the male audience or is this for
Speaker 1: the female audienced? What I'm saying, like, yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: I always.
Speaker 3: I always thought it was kind of I always thought
Speaker 3: that it was for the female audience primarily, but I
Speaker 3: thought it was like it's like maybe this is a
Speaker 3: crazy similar but it's kind of like birth control, right,
Speaker 3: It's like really important for us as women to have
Speaker 3: birth control, right, Like, and the guys are like, you've
Speaker 3: got birth control, this is fantastic.
Speaker 2: We can have sex. You're interested in having sex?
Speaker 3: Right, this is you know, it's kind of like, I mean,
Speaker 3: I feel like it was so empowering and maybe it
Speaker 3: was a little on steroids from the reality for most women,
Speaker 3: but it was happening out there, and so men, you know,
Speaker 3: I think for men it was like a like it
Speaker 3: was not only a wonderful peek into the secret world, right,
Speaker 3: which was fascinating, but it was also like there is
Speaker 3: this very old and it has some truth to it,
Speaker 3: but it's not the entire truth, right, there is some
Speaker 3: sense of like women use sex as a tool to
Speaker 3: get commitment, right, and it's like for men to be
Speaker 3: shown this world and these people, it's like, actually, you
Speaker 3: know what, you also just really like having sex with
Speaker 3: you right, right. It's sort of, I think, a wonderful
Speaker 3: thing for men to learn because they had been told
Speaker 3: the opposite so many times.
Speaker 1: It's true, and I do feel, unfortunately weirdly like that's
Speaker 1: still out there in a strange way.
Speaker 3: Well, and it's not completely untrue. I mean it's yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean that there are you know, I mean, both
Speaker 3: things are true.
Speaker 2: I guess that's true.
Speaker 1: I Mean the thing that's funny to me though, is
Speaker 1: like if you think about then and then you think
Speaker 1: about now, like you know, hook up culture like young right,
Speaker 1: it's very very more advanced, like the dating apps, you know.
Speaker 2: Whatever, even much more so.
Speaker 3: Right. Obviously, I don't know really anything about the hookup
Speaker 3: culture that's happening now right right, And And I guess
Speaker 3: my my thing that seems to me different than our show,
Speaker 3: right is like women can and always have had a
Speaker 3: lot of sex, but I think not one hundred percent
Speaker 3: of the time, but by and large the sex that
Speaker 3: these four women were having.
Speaker 2: Was not was not to try and get men like
Speaker 2: that that's a good point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so that's what I worry about the hookup
Speaker 3: culture now. It's like, you think you're very liberated because
Speaker 3: you're having a lot of sex, but are you do
Speaker 3: you want to be?
Speaker 1: Are are you having sex because you want to? Or
Speaker 1: are you having sex to try to get something?
Speaker 3: To try and get like a different version of like
Speaker 3: trying to get a ring. It's like, does he like me?
Speaker 3: Willly really not call me.
Speaker 2: If I don't? My god?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Which is like so Charlotte also with the with
Speaker 1: the off the butt thing, right, Like she because she
Speaker 1: doesn't want to do it, you know, right, she really
Speaker 1: likes that guy, you know, and then and she thinks
Speaker 1: like he's just going to break up with her or
Speaker 1: not marry her or whatever.
Speaker 3: It's like so crazy, but it's both, right, It's interesting.
Speaker 3: It's like she worries he's going to break up with
Speaker 3: her if she doesn't do it, but also she's not
Speaker 3: really at the moment interested in it right as a
Speaker 3: thing in and of itself.
Speaker 2: But also it's like.
Speaker 3: But if I do do this, will he respect me?
Speaker 3: Will he he will never marry me?
Speaker 1: Right? And also because Samantha very smartly in the car
Speaker 1: is like in the cab, she's like you know, and
Speaker 1: you talk about the power dynamics like it's super fascinating.
Speaker 1: I mean we're touching on all of it, you know,
Speaker 1: in such a good way that I do feel like
Speaker 1: is still true, you know, like are you doing it
Speaker 1: because you want.
Speaker 2: To do it?
Speaker 1: But also you need to think about like someone's going
Speaker 1: to give up the power and you might have more power,
Speaker 1: but you might have less power. Like it's super fascinating
Speaker 1: and still I think so interestingly true.
Speaker 3: Right right, And I think you know, if you think
Speaker 3: about Samantha, who is like the most empowered, right, the
Speaker 3: most sexually free, but also just the most empowered, yes, right, yes,
Speaker 3: but there are you know you see the pain that
Speaker 3: she had, like particularly when she's dating Richard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know you know that that there is even
Speaker 2: for the strongest character. You know, well even in Valley
Speaker 2: of the twenty something guys.
Speaker 1: You know she's with the chef guyd Do you remember
Speaker 1: that he's like lanky, he's got like long, choppy hair,
Speaker 1: and then.
Speaker 2: She'll always be older. Yes? Right? That cut right? That
Speaker 2: cut for me? That cut deep?
Speaker 1: You know, I mean it's so interesting how many small
Speaker 1: moments we have in almost every episode that I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, well, that's and that's the thing that was
Speaker 3: so great about the show, you know, is that because
Speaker 3: again people saying, like, did a feminist show, but you're
Speaker 3: wearing high heels and sexy outfits. Like right, It's like
Speaker 3: one of the great things about the show is that
Speaker 3: all of the characters, not the least of Carrie, you know,
Speaker 3: are all deeply flawed and make bad decisions.
Speaker 2: And so, you know, I love wonder Woman. I've always
Speaker 2: loved wonder Woman.
Speaker 3: Yes, we love that you love, but I have my
Speaker 3: wonderfolan backsack here today. But I know, and I have
Speaker 3: always known, that Wonder Woman is a very two dimensional figure.
Speaker 2: Good point.
Speaker 3: She's perfect, right, she's loving, she's strong, she's you name it,
Speaker 3: she's gotting getting an A plus definitely, and I enjoy her,
Speaker 3: But I understand she has no dimension, and she's really
Speaker 3: not that interesting. Right, And that's the thing about all
Speaker 3: of our both in the writing and in the playing,
Speaker 3: the thing that you were talking about before the contraction.
Speaker 3: You have the headline of who the character is, but
Speaker 3: right below the headline they're all the the contradictions and
Speaker 3: the price to be paid, even like for Charlotte. Charlotte
Speaker 3: is trying so hard to buy into the fairy tale
Speaker 3: of being the perfect girl and doing the right thing
Speaker 3: and winning the gold ribbon.
Speaker 2: Of the of the engagement, ransom husband and the ring right.
Speaker 3: But she, you know, she's constantly having that myth kind
Speaker 3: of eaten away, most definitely, and also when particularly when
Speaker 3: she tries to get married and then doesn't know no, I.
Speaker 2: Work out the pie in the face, you know.
Speaker 1: Michael and I talked a lot about the pie in
Speaker 1: the face and how all of us get our own
Speaker 1: version totally of the pie in the face. We also
Speaker 1: talked about the complexities of the character, because I do
Speaker 1: feel like there's this crazy thing about carry not being likable,
Speaker 1: which is, you know, kind of insane, because I don't
Speaker 1: know why we would still be, you know, like, well.
Speaker 3: But it's why it's so we're so lucky to have
Speaker 3: Sarah Jessica. Yeah, It's like, it's why we're so lucky
Speaker 3: to have you playing Charlotte, because in someone lesser hands,
Speaker 3: she would have been more.
Speaker 1: Two intentions, right, I mean I think so all I
Speaker 1: remember at the time, because, as you know, my life
Speaker 1: is not like Charlotte's life. No, basically at all. There
Speaker 1: are some crossovers, but I was never interested in getting married,
Speaker 1: so like that took a lot of work on my
Speaker 1: part to be like, ah, you know, but I do
Speaker 1: think I mean, they didn't know this, you know, like
Speaker 1: this is kind of the magic. There's a certain element
Speaker 1: of magic and all of our coming together, you know
Speaker 1: that they didn't, you know, like we never read together.
Speaker 1: We never really met, you know.
Speaker 3: There's no chemistry reading, I know, no, nothing, So thank
Speaker 3: god it worked out.
Speaker 2: But we do have these characteristics that are very good
Speaker 2: for our character.
Speaker 1: We've got the characteristics, but then we're also very complex
Speaker 1: people and also very different people coming together from different places,
Speaker 1: which I think contributed in a positive way to what
Speaker 1: was on screen. You you don't need to know that, right,
Speaker 1: You just feel it when you're watching it, right.
Speaker 3: You know what my mother used to say about the show,
Speaker 3: She said, you know what I like about your show,
Speaker 3: and watch it.
Speaker 2: I can tell who everyone is. They don't all look alike.
Speaker 2: I'm not confused, that's true. I don't know what.
Speaker 1: I think she's talking about, how television, because I was
Speaker 1: talking about this a little bit too, like there was
Speaker 1: a homogeny, you know, like a.
Speaker 2: I mean, we're all white obviously, and we're all of
Speaker 2: an age.
Speaker 1: But even that was different, right because we were all
Speaker 1: of an age. There was no other show other than
Speaker 1: the Golden Girls, you know which I mean people. I
Speaker 1: remember going to an interview. I can't remember, Oh, I
Speaker 1: do remember who it was. I shouldn't even say this,
Speaker 1: but I walk out. It's a guy. It's a late
Speaker 1: night thing, and he goes, oh, you know, you guys
Speaker 1: are the new Golden Girls, and I was like mad.
Speaker 1: I was so mad, and I was like, now I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to go through this whole interview, mad, And
Speaker 1: then he asked me about penis size.
Speaker 2: And I was just like, we're on Earth. Like I
Speaker 2: just remember.
Speaker 1: Getting put through so many bizarre, like embarrassing and complex
Speaker 1: things where you will want to be like, do you
Speaker 1: not know that that's kind of like offensive? Like I
Speaker 1: guess you're trying to be nice, but like, really were
Speaker 1: the Golden Girls?
Speaker 2: Like really like okay, but that there.
Speaker 1: Was just nothing to comparison to. There's just nothing. There
Speaker 1: was just nothing. And because we weren't twenty five, and
Speaker 1: because there were four women, right, even though it wasn't
Speaker 1: clear at the beginning, but it became more and more clear.
Speaker 1: You know that each of us were going to kind
Speaker 1: of get fleshed out and have that and have our
Speaker 1: own lane, right, and she would connect us, you know,
Speaker 1: with the with the voiceover and all that. Oh, let's
Speaker 1: ask you this, what did you think about talking to
Speaker 1: the camera.
Speaker 2: I love the top of the camera. That is why
Speaker 2: we love Cynthia.
Speaker 3: I know I always hated it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. Why. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I always, whether it's on film or on stage, when
Speaker 3: a character turns and talks to me.
Speaker 2: You love to break the fourth wall.
Speaker 3: I like to do it myself, but I love to
Speaker 3: have it happened to me as an audience. Okay, okay,
Speaker 3: and you know you now you see it's slightly different.
Speaker 3: But you see all those shows like like The Office
Speaker 3: and Modern Family and right where they're constantly like looking
Speaker 3: at the look at the camera.
Speaker 2: Right while they're doing interviews.
Speaker 1: They're doing interview documentary right right right.
Speaker 3: It's a cute little Yeah. I never mind, I never
Speaker 3: mind it. I mean, I know why I enjoy those
Speaker 3: I don't really miss it in our show. I don't
Speaker 3: really miss it once it's.
Speaker 2: Gone, right, No, I don't either. But I but I
Speaker 2: I liked it. I mean, I think it's interesting. I
Speaker 2: think it was hard.
Speaker 1: For Sarah, uh, partly because she's in a massim Yeah,
Speaker 1: and also because of the Mathew thing with it, which
Speaker 1: I didn't even remember, but it makes total sense. But
Speaker 1: like when you watch her, I think it's the pilot
Speaker 1: of the first episode.
Speaker 2: She's in a scene and then the guy gets in
Speaker 2: the cabin. She turns and talks to the camera like
Speaker 2: it's a very heard that I never did. I never
Speaker 2: have to know that, but I would do that.
Speaker 1: I mean, we would just we'd have our scene where
Speaker 1: we were talking to the camera and you're so funny
Speaker 1: in the pilot when you're talking to the camera with
Speaker 1: the chicken.
Speaker 2: With the chicken yeah, oh so you know.
Speaker 3: I think also I think it was her unhappiness and
Speaker 3: maybe other people's unhappiness with that that made it go away.
Speaker 3: But also when we used to do all those like
Speaker 3: Man on the Street, Woman on the Street, Yeah, giving
Speaker 3: their opinion about whatever the subject at hand.
Speaker 2: Way, I feel like they partly cut those because they
Speaker 2: were just time consuming. They were hard to do, they were.
Speaker 3: Hard to do, and you always had to oh, we
Speaker 3: had to cast it and then find a location.
Speaker 2: It's true, right, it's true.
Speaker 1: I mean that's why I love the basketball one because
Speaker 1: they're in one place and it's all these different guys.
Speaker 2: And it's the guys in the episode.
Speaker 3: It's also not some random person that you're never going
Speaker 3: to see again in the episode or anywhere.
Speaker 2: And that's a good point as well.
Speaker 1: Like as a as a you know, convention or whatever
Speaker 1: you would call it, it was clunky in the beginning
Speaker 1: because like you had to find different people to come
Speaker 1: in and say X, Y or Z.
Speaker 3: There is in the pilot. Right, It's like it's a
Speaker 3: way of being introduced to all of us, which exactly,
Speaker 3: which makes perfect sense. But yeah, it was hard to
Speaker 3: keep it going. It was hard to keep it going.
Speaker 3: From our conversations, like two things that occurred to me
Speaker 3: that I wanted to bring up. One was, you know,
Speaker 3: you were talking about the time when they asked us
Speaker 3: what was like the body part that we felt about
Speaker 3: or would like to change or whatever. And you know,
Speaker 3: there were, however many episodes there were before we had
Speaker 3: any female writers. We just had Darren and then we
Speaker 3: had and Michael Patrick.
Speaker 1: I think there was a female writer in La I
Speaker 1: can't remember her name, Terry something, but we never met that, right, right.
Speaker 3: But so what I remember is there was I don't
Speaker 3: remember what episode it is, but it's pretty early where
Speaker 3: were we're talking about blowjobs and who likes them and
Speaker 3: who doesn't like them? Yes, and remember they came and
Speaker 3: interviewed us all no what because they were, you know,
Speaker 3: they were gay men, so they have their own opinions
Speaker 3: about blowjobs, right, and their own relationship to it.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: But they really they were really kind of a little sheepish.
Speaker 3: But they felt like when you say they, do you
Speaker 3: mean Darren and Michael, Darren and Michael, I remember Michael
Speaker 3: specific Okay, okay, maybe.
Speaker 2: They might have come. I think they might have come together.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: Now, And they wanted to know, like, I mean, the
Speaker 3: baseline question is.
Speaker 2: Women enjoy blowjobs?
Speaker 3: Is it just something you just do to you know,
Speaker 3: get along, you know whatever. So they went and then
Speaker 3: they put different things that people upset or whatever, not
Speaker 3: necessarily in the the person who had said it, but
Speaker 3: right because they were like, remember this, because I think
Speaker 3: every once in a while before we had female writers
Speaker 3: that were in New York, you know, it was like, really,
Speaker 3: should we have women here. We really should ask them
Speaker 3: because we actually don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad that they did.
Speaker 1: On my flight yesterday, I was losing my voice, so
Speaker 1: I was really trying to be on vocal rest because
Speaker 1: I really wanted to have a.
Speaker 2: Voice to talk to you.
Speaker 1: Today, I'm watching Blue's you're watching what Blue?
Speaker 2: Do you know? Blue?
Speaker 1: Your kids are too old? Blue is in Australian cartoon.
Speaker 2: Do you mean like Blues Clues. It's new.
Speaker 1: It's really really good, Cynthia. Oh yeah, bluis dogs their dogs.
Speaker 2: Well like Blues Clues. No, it's not like Clues.
Speaker 1: It is a thing. It's a phenomenon. My kids are
Speaker 1: fully obsessed. We've seen them all. But okay, it's the
Speaker 1: type thing where I want to rewatch it.
Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, it used to be for us, Yes, in
Speaker 3: the early days, Yes, early SpongeBob.
Speaker 2: There's nothing better. I think it's true.
Speaker 3: SpongeBob had It was the one thing that our whole family,
Speaker 3: with all of our children at very different ages, we
Speaker 3: would all watch it.
Speaker 2: It's a little lighter than SpongeBob.
Speaker 1: SpongeBob has kind of a verse of humor underneath. This
Speaker 1: is more like somehow they're writing for the parents and
Speaker 1: the kids.
Speaker 2: It's really good.
Speaker 1: So I'm watching that because I'm watching something like a
Speaker 1: feel good thing, that's my feel good thing. And it's dark,
Speaker 1: you know, when everyone's sleeping around me, and these two
Speaker 1: adorable young flight attendants come up to me and kneel down,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know, because I'm in the middle
Speaker 1: of the Blue's right, So I pause the bluies, I'm
Speaker 1: like yes, and they give.
Speaker 2: Me this note and then they skit her off and
Speaker 2: the note.
Speaker 1: Is so sweet and I meant to bring it, but
Speaker 1: it basically says, we just want to thank you because
Speaker 1: we were raised for better or worse on sex, and.
Speaker 2: And I was like, it's so gives me chills.
Speaker 1: It's like an incredible and bizarre thing to think about.
Speaker 3: Well, I write, I think we talked a little bit
Speaker 3: about you know, boyfriend's girlfriends, husband's wives together watching it
Speaker 3: being kind of a springboard for talking about sex. And
Speaker 3: I think a lot of mothers and daughters too, and
Speaker 3: again a great springboard.
Speaker 1: For like absolutely and who I mean, it just boggles
Speaker 1: my mind to think about the origins of us, right,
Speaker 1: and I mean, thank god, we I think all had
Speaker 1: a sense of the wonderfulness, the power or whatever it was,
Speaker 1: and we were hoping that everyone else would also get it,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, and clearly HBO, thank God,
Speaker 1: did and let us, you know, have the space to
Speaker 1: grow and continue. And then the reviewers you know, didn't
Speaker 1: really which was also really interesting, but we kind of
Speaker 1: also expected that, right, Like I remember being very worried
Speaker 1: before that first really the first season. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: remember me and Sir Jesca like.
Speaker 2: What are we going to say? What are they going
Speaker 2: to think?
Speaker 1: And remember how we did, like anyone wanted to talk
Speaker 1: to us, We talked to them like we were like
Speaker 1: we are, We're going to get out there and work
Speaker 1: hard so that this is a success, you know, And
Speaker 1: we did obviously.
Speaker 2: I mean, never have people worked harder I don't think
Speaker 2: for a TV show, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 2: it was bigger, It was big. It felt bigger.
Speaker 1: I feel like it felt bigger in a way because
Speaker 1: there wasn't anything like it, right, you know, like it
Speaker 1: felt like we were part of something that was bigger.
Speaker 3: And because we were on HBO two things, we didn't
Speaker 3: have sponsors looking over our shoulder, right and saying you
Speaker 3: can't say that you can't talk about that. You're right, yeah,
Speaker 3: and we and because it was HBO, a different version,
Speaker 3: but a subset of that was like it's a place
Speaker 3: where they would just let people with vision do their
Speaker 3: thing and not in.
Speaker 1: Right, there was like very few notes, just two that
Speaker 1: I know of, and one had to do with your
Speaker 1: storyline where you and Sir Jessica Carrie, you and Carrie.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I really mix this up. Sometimes it's bad. Okay,
Speaker 2: it's bad.
Speaker 1: You and Carrie have some guy that you fight over.
Speaker 1: Do you remember this. It's not in the first season.
Speaker 1: I think it's second or third. And Carolyn Streuss was like, no,
Speaker 1: they will never be arguing over a guy.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's not the guy from the when the guy
Speaker 3: I'm on the on the date with dies, right, it's
Speaker 3: not that it's not fren of me is a friend
Speaker 3: of me?
Speaker 2: It could be fren of me. It's because I think
Speaker 2: it changed.
Speaker 3: Right from the my friend Alana's husband Dominic from right, yes,
Speaker 3: and so right. I think the makes sense was she
Speaker 3: comes with me to the funeral of the guy that
Speaker 3: I was supposed to go on the date with, and
Speaker 3: I call and yell at his mother and then she's.
Speaker 2: Like he died, right.
Speaker 3: And then it's somebody that Sarah Jessica has dated or
Speaker 3: slept with in right, and she tries to warn me
Speaker 3: off him, and I was like, I like him right ever,
Speaker 3: so that must be right, because.
Speaker 1: At one version there was like an argument between you
Speaker 1: guys about it, like a like a like she still
Speaker 1: liked him or something where we go out cool yeah,
Speaker 1: and Carolyn Strauss was like, no, they're never going to
Speaker 1: be doing that, right, you know. And then the only
Speaker 1: other note that I ever personally got, well, actually I
Speaker 1: had to reshoot the scene with the guy, the up
Speaker 1: the butt guy because Darren told me that I was
Speaker 1: too upset because you know, my thing in the beginning
Speaker 1: with the guy on the bed mm hmmm, my thing
Speaker 1: in the beginning, with my two flats.
Speaker 2: You know, I only had two flats. I don't know
Speaker 2: what Miranda had. I think I had nothing.
Speaker 3: I think I had nothing until I bought the Darkment
Speaker 3: and then I had a whole apartment.
Speaker 2: Amazing, amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're you're quite out in the world, which I love.
Speaker 1: You know, you're walking, you're talking, you're with Skipper, you're
Speaker 1: with Carrie.
Speaker 2: We have to talk about you and Carrie. Yeah, we're
Speaker 2: talking about you and Carry. Yeah.
Speaker 1: When you think about your relationship, the Miranda Carry relationship,
Speaker 1: I feel like and in ways that I never really
Speaker 1: clocked because of course I'm over there, just trying to
Speaker 1: do my best at Charlotte right right, not thinking objectively
Speaker 1: about everybody, but like it's such a through line and your.
Speaker 2: Walk and talks. Now, I remember when we're when we're on.
Speaker 1: And just like that, I'm always like, darn it, they
Speaker 1: have another walk and talk and I'm not in it.
Speaker 2: Like I'm always so sad, you know what i mean.
Speaker 1: But when I look back at the history of it,
Speaker 1: I'm like, of course they do.
Speaker 2: It's like a It's like a touchstone our whole entire being. Right,
Speaker 2: Do you feel that way? I do.
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm not sure I understand it. I
Speaker 3: feel like, you know, I feel like both Charlotte and
Speaker 3: Samantha have a thing that Miranda doesn't have, which is
Speaker 3: they have a little bit of like, I'm not gonna.
Speaker 2: Mess in your world. That's true.
Speaker 3: Yea. I see you doing something. I don't agree with it,
Speaker 3: I don't approve of it, I don't whatever, but I'm
Speaker 3: gonna respect it. I'm just not gonna mess with it, right,
Speaker 3: I don't want to have a fight with you, right,
Speaker 3: want to whatever?
Speaker 2: Right, Moranda, Right, Miranda, Right?
Speaker 3: And I think maybe it's because Miranda sort of came
Speaker 3: later to this idea of like a partner children, like
Speaker 3: a kind of an interior self, you know. So I
Speaker 3: think for a long time Carrie was that person for her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was like her.
Speaker 3: Right, and so she she fights with her the way
Speaker 3: you would fight with a spouse.
Speaker 2: So true, right, is so true?
Speaker 3: Like Miranda doesn't feel like there is a politeness boundary.
Speaker 2: No, she doesn't.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what Carrie likes and needs, right,
Speaker 1: you know, from the carry standpoint, Like here's someone who's
Speaker 1: actually going to tell me what she thinks.
Speaker 2: Right, She's not going to tiptoe, She's going to go
Speaker 2: right in there. Right. Not that she listens to you,
Speaker 2: but you know, it's really interesting.
Speaker 1: But I know.
Speaker 3: So it's like the thing when Miranda disapproves of something
Speaker 3: or someone, it's very hard for Carrie to sort of
Speaker 3: like wuyet that head in her voice, yeah, because she thinks,
Speaker 3: oh maybe she's.
Speaker 2: Yeah definitely, which is what's so great.
Speaker 1: It's such a great and interesting dynamic that I rewatching it.
Speaker 1: I'm really much more aware of it than I used
Speaker 1: to be in terms of, like, so many important things
Speaker 1: happen on your guys' walking talks, right, you know that effect.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe there's listen to, maybe they're not listened to,
Speaker 1: but like you're like thinking out loud and processing together
Speaker 1: in a way, and you know you're very different. You
Speaker 1: meet kind of in the middle in an interesting, interesting way,
Speaker 1: you know, like in terms of like kind of intellectually
Speaker 1: but also emotionally.
Speaker 2: There's an exchange that I really love.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's partly because you are so different and
Speaker 1: you have a different point of view.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're equals, yeah.
Speaker 1: Which is so great in so many ways. Where Charlotte's like,
Speaker 1: it's my hair, do you shine? At least that's how
Speaker 1: she begins, you know what I mean, But you guys
Speaker 1: right away, right away, I feel like it's very much
Speaker 1: equals kind of who respect each other. She I feel
Speaker 1: like she needs your opinion. She needs it. You know,
Speaker 1: She's not going to necessarily show you that, right, but
Speaker 1: she's like, oh, you know, she's very in her like
Speaker 1: way like oh you know this, and you're like, really.
Speaker 3: I think, right, I mean, I do feel like, you know,
Speaker 3: I always I'm very into the Greek gods and school
Speaker 3: or whatever I know, and so it's so obvious. It's like, right,
Speaker 3: Aantha's Aphrodite, yes, and your Hara right, the goddess of marriage, right, yes,
Speaker 3: And I'm Artemis right, and then carrieus, I don't know
Speaker 3: who's but but but I mean I think that that's
Speaker 3: a thing about Miranda is like she's very like that's
Speaker 3: the thing about Artemis. Like she has her whole little
Speaker 3: tribe of women and their hunters and they they're they're
Speaker 3: they're not Amazons, but they're kind of like Amazons, and
Speaker 3: like men are like second tier, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And so it's like our relationship is primary, and it's
Speaker 3: why Miranda can like get in there, I mean with
Speaker 3: you guys too. Like Miranda like you know, provokes you
Speaker 3: and you know all the pinaco. I would just keep walking.
Speaker 3: Oh no, Carrie says that, right, I would just keep walking.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But also like my choice is my choice? Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: I choose my choice. I choose my choice. I choose
Speaker 2: my choice.
Speaker 1: See I don't remember them, right, but she does. I
Speaker 1: can't really remember Miranda in the book so much. Like
Speaker 1: I do feel also like as much as I think
Speaker 1: about Charlotte not being fleshed out in the book, I
Speaker 1: don't really think anyone was that fleshed out in the
Speaker 1: book in a way.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean I read the book and I liked
Speaker 3: the book, but I don't remember it hardly at all,
Speaker 3: Like I think.
Speaker 2: We kind of just I remember it was hard to
Speaker 2: like the people. It was hard to like. It was
Speaker 2: he really hard to like the people.
Speaker 1: Michael and I talked about this like it was you know,
Speaker 1: I do think that Candace was you know, kind of
Speaker 1: reporting the things she was hearing were going on in
Speaker 1: this kind of certain group of people, like the Finance bros.
Speaker 1: And the you know, it was a dark, as Michael
Speaker 1: put it, a dark kind.
Speaker 3: Of a and the men had a lot of power
Speaker 3: and money, a lot of power in money, and there
Speaker 3: was kind of this and the women were wanting to
Speaker 3: be like just wanting to be.
Speaker 1: So Michael talks about when he came in that he
Speaker 1: didn't really know that world. You know that Darren knew
Speaker 1: it and Candace knew it obviously, but Darren knew it
Speaker 1: and was bringing that Like when I watched the Modelizer,
Speaker 1: I had totally forgotten about that sex tape thing.
Speaker 2: I was like, what on earth right now?
Speaker 1: I'm one hundred percent sure that that really happened in
Speaker 1: Candace was just reporting it, but like the fact that
Speaker 1: carry has to sit there and be like, oh.
Speaker 2: Oh, do you have a light? Like it's so crazy.
Speaker 1: But then later she does go to Samantha and say like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, you might not want to go over there,
Speaker 1: you know, in Samantha's like I will, which you know,
Speaker 1: the same I remember about the book is that there
Speaker 1: are all these people.
Speaker 2: And they're all alienated.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the men and women are definitely alienated from each other.
Speaker 3: They're working across purposes, they're not showing their hand. They're
Speaker 3: trying to win, but they're not not win through let
Speaker 3: me tell you what I want to hear what you want,
Speaker 3: you know, And that there's no sense that I remember
Speaker 3: in the book of the women being allied together, right,
Speaker 3: and so I think that that's the b I mean,
Speaker 3: and the and the Pilot, which I love the Pilot,
Speaker 3: but the Pilot captures much more of that sense of
Speaker 3: like we're all ships that pass in the night and
Speaker 3: we can't help each other, and we're.
Speaker 2: All kind of doom, it's true.
Speaker 3: Right, But that that's the big switch that makes the
Speaker 3: show the show is like we're having we're all on
Speaker 3: our separate journeys and they're often disappointing or worse, you know,
Speaker 3: harrowing in some way, but but we the thing that
Speaker 3: we are not in doubt of is our love for
Speaker 3: each other and our commitment to each other and the
Speaker 3: factor right, and they were always going to be there
Speaker 3: for each other, and that as opposed to men with
Speaker 3: whom you might feel like you have to play a
Speaker 3: game that with Between the women, we tell each other
Speaker 3: what we think.
Speaker 2: Right, which is so so great.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's almost possibly the ending, though I
Speaker 1: really hate to end, because I could touch you forever
Speaker 1: and it's so much fun, and I'd love to hear
Speaker 1: the other like, because even though we were all went
Speaker 1: through it, everyone has slightly different of the coming to it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: memory and coming to it and how you thought about
Speaker 1: it and what you think now when you look back,
Speaker 1: Like it's super fascinating and we're obviously so incredibly lucky
Speaker 1: to be part of it and part of something that
Speaker 1: has been able to last this long. And I feel
Speaker 1: like the reason it's been able to last as long,
Speaker 1: and it's different carnations is the storytelling, you know, and
Speaker 1: the relatability, and they kind of the core you know,
Speaker 1: discovery or like search for answers and you know, like
Speaker 1: Michael has his own viewpoint as you know about you know,
Speaker 1: what our themes are or whatever. Right, I just love
Speaker 1: to talk about it because every time I talk to
Speaker 1: any of us, I learn more about it, right, And
Speaker 1: I feel like people people obviously relate to it in
Speaker 1: different ways for that very reason.
Speaker 3: I mean that when I watched the show having you know,
Speaker 3: when I watched an episode having seen it however many
Speaker 3: times before, the thing that.
Speaker 2: Always strikes me is how.
Speaker 3: How concentrated its about, how there's no wasted there's no
Speaker 3: treading water, right, that it's so compack.
Speaker 2: And I think it's one.
Speaker 3: Of the reasons people do like to watch them again
Speaker 3: and again and again is there's every there's there's multiple
Speaker 3: things going on every moment, and it's so beautifully like
Speaker 3: woven together. It's so the themes and the lines, and
Speaker 3: that it's like a perfect you know, or a gami
Speaker 3: or something you know, like and so of course it's
Speaker 3: it's it's funny and it's shocking, and it's beautiful to
Speaker 3: look at, both in terms of us and the clothes
Speaker 3: and the cinematography and the city. But it's really that
Speaker 3: it's it's dense. And I was it's funny because I
Speaker 3: was listening to a book on tape on my way
Speaker 3: over here of a of a of Nora Efron's first book,
Speaker 3: and she was talking in great detail about how she
Speaker 3: came to be a writer from the world of journalism
Speaker 3: and specifically from the world of the Post, which she
Speaker 3: said is a terrible newspaper. And also everything is really
Speaker 3: really short, and she said it was a great training
Speaker 3: because I wasn't writing multiple pages.
Speaker 2: And I think, I don't know what there is about
Speaker 2: Darren and Michael that, you know.
Speaker 3: Maybe it was that the show was twenty three minutes
Speaker 3: or twenty seven minutes round whatever.
Speaker 1: That's where Michael had come from, right, like true sitcom,
Speaker 1: right timing.
Speaker 2: But that you have.
Speaker 3: Maybe if you had one main character, you could tread
Speaker 3: water a little bit more, but you have four, right,
Speaker 3: and to try and get four. And we always know
Speaker 3: this is an episode in which I'm heavy, this is
Speaker 3: an episode in which I'm light, right, you know, this
Speaker 3: is this is my episode this is not my episodes.
Speaker 3: But regardless, even if it's not your episode, you do
Speaker 3: have a storyline.
Speaker 2: Right, and you're there, and you're there, you're present, and
Speaker 2: so to be able to boil.
Speaker 3: It down and make it be so economical, I think
Speaker 3: is like everything has to do three things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that that's a really valid point. And I
Speaker 1: think also why it stands up, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: like not every tiny detail will stand up, and some
Speaker 1: of it's nostalgic and some of that that's cringey, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's still fascinating and that's, you know, an accomplishment. Now,
Speaker 1: I want to say something else, since you're here and
Speaker 1: since we're on my podcast, and I can, I just
Speaker 1: want to say that I've said this in different settings.
Speaker 1: Meeting you and having you be with me through this
Speaker 1: whole thing and be my protector has been such a gift.
Speaker 2: You are such a gift.
Speaker 3: You have been my protector in at least.
Speaker 1: So for You're sweet and I'm so happy to have
Speaker 1: gone through this with you and to continue to continue.
Speaker 2: I cherish you. Love, You're my baby, Thank you for coming.
Speaker 2: We know you're not a Charlotte. I'm really we don't
Speaker 2: want you to be. Really, it's cool. Really, it's cool.
Speaker 1: I don't want people to feel like they have to
Speaker 1: be a Charlotte.
Speaker 2: No, it's just a jumping off. It's a jumping off.
Speaker 1: Question in case I don't know the person right right,
Speaker 1: but I know you. Thank you, Cynthia, thank you christ
Speaker 1: I wish, I wish that I know Christmas got Thomas