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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are

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Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? So when you think about I mean,

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Speaker 1: I have so many questions, I don't even know where

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Speaker 2: But like, if you.

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Speaker 1: Think about, can you remember before Miranda and you would

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Speaker 1: just go about your life and no one would recognize

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Speaker 2: What was it like in terms of being in the

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Speaker 2: world you mean before our show?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, I feel like again because I was in

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Speaker 3: this pretty successful movie when I was twelve, right, I

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Speaker 3: have no no, no little darlings later Also, I mean

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Speaker 3: Oscar Oscar, right, So I always had a certain, very

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Speaker 3: was lianforable. It was like a little a little salt. Sure,

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Speaker 3: it wasn't like an entire meat loaf. It was like

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Speaker 3: a little sauce, right seasoning.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 3: And then do you remember when the show started to

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Speaker 3: air and people started to watch it, more than like

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Speaker 3: three quarters of the people that would come up to

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Speaker 3: us were black men.

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Speaker 2: No remember this? No, it was so I mean fascinating.

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Speaker 3: And I don't think it was just me because we've

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Speaker 3: all we all used to talk about it.

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Speaker 2: It was weld in the very beginning days. Uh huh.

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Speaker 3: It was like, surely you're not our demographic, right, what's

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Speaker 2: What amazing? But it was fantastic. Maybe it was the

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Speaker 2: guys who wanted to watch the boxing on HBO, That's

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, it was the live sports event, so it

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Speaker 3: had a very bail And I don't know.

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Speaker 1: So let me ask you this because this is something

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Speaker 1: I think about when I watch it, like in terms

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Speaker 1: of the sexuality stuff, like the actual sex scenes, you know.

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Speaker 1: And I struggled with this myself, which is coming up

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Speaker 1: it hasn't happened yet. Did you think about I mean,

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Speaker 2: Very Are you fearless and not?

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Speaker 1: I'm afraid at all times in the sex scenes to

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Speaker 1: to go when Cynthia is filming sex scenes so that

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Speaker 1: I can tell Eigenberg do not grab her breast like that.

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Speaker 2: You remember this? I was like, why do you grab

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Speaker 2: I'm like, it's not attractive, it's like too hard.

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Speaker 1: I eded to tell him that you were like whatever,

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Speaker 1: you know, which I love about you, but you know, like,

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Speaker 1: did you think about, like, what, what what.

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Speaker 2: Are we doing here?

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Speaker 1: Is this for the male audience or is this for

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Speaker 1: the female audienced? What I'm saying, like, yeah, I guess

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Speaker 3: I always thought it was kind of I always thought

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Speaker 2: We can have sex. You're interested in having sex?

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Speaker 3: Right, this is you know, it's kind of like, I mean,

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Speaker 3: Well, and it's not completely untrue. I mean it's yeah,

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Speaker 1: I Mean the thing that's funny to me though, is

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Speaker 3: Right. Obviously, I don't know really anything about the hookup

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Speaker 2: Was not was not to try and get men like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And so that's what I worry about the hookup

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Speaker 1: Are are you having sex because you want to? Or

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Speaker 3: To try and get like a different version of like

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Speaker 3: trying to get a ring. It's like, does he like me?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Which is like so Charlotte also with the with

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Speaker 2: But also it's like.

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Speaker 3: But if I do do this, will he respect me?

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Speaker 1: Right? And also because Samantha very smartly in the car

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Speaker 1: But also you need to think about like someone's going

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Speaker 3: Right right, And I think you know, if you think

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know you know that that there is even

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Speaker 1: You know she's with the chef guyd Do you remember

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Speaker 2: She'll always be older. Yes? Right? That cut right? That

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Speaker 1: You know, I mean it's so interesting how many small

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Speaker 3: Like, oh, well, that's and that's the thing that was

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Speaker 2: And so, you know, I love wonder Woman. I've always

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Speaker 3: She's perfect, right, she's loving, she's strong, she's you name it,

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Speaker 3: But I understand she has no dimension, and she's really

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Speaker 3: You have the headline of who the character is, but

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Speaker 3: the price to be paid, even like for Charlotte. Charlotte

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Speaker 2: Of the of the engagement, ransom husband and the ring right.

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Speaker 3: But she, you know, she's constantly having that myth kind

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Speaker 2: Work out the pie in the face, you know.

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Speaker 3: But it's why it's so we're so lucky to have

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Speaker 1: Two intentions, right, I mean I think so all I

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Speaker 2: But we do have these characteristics that are very good

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Speaker 1: We've got the characteristics, but then we're also very complex

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Speaker 1: people and also very different people coming together from different places,

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Speaker 1: which I think contributed in a positive way to what

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Speaker 1: You just feel it when you're watching it, right.

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Speaker 3: You know what my mother used to say about the show,

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Speaker 3: She said, you know what I like about your show,

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Speaker 2: I can tell who everyone is. They don't all look alike.

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Speaker 2: I'm not confused, that's true. I don't know what.

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Speaker 1: I think she's talking about, how television, because I was

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Speaker 1: Today, I'm watching Blue's you're watching what Blue?

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Speaker 2: Do you know? Blue?

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Speaker 1: Your kids are too old? Blue is in Australian cartoon.

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Speaker 2: Do you mean like Blues Clues. It's new.

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Speaker 1: It's really really good, Cynthia. Oh yeah, bluis dogs their dogs.

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Speaker 1: So I'm watching that because I'm watching something like a

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Speaker 2: And I was like, it's so gives me chills.

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Speaker 1: For like absolutely and who I mean, it just boggles

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Speaker 1: And remember how we did, like anyone wanted to talk

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Speaker 3: And because we were on HBO two things, we didn't

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Speaker 1: Right, there was like very few notes, just two that

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Speaker 3: comes with me to the funeral of the guy that

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00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:41,560
Speaker 3: I was supposed to go on the date with, and

443
00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,480
Speaker 3: I call and yell at his mother and then she's.

444
00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:45,520
Speaker 2: Like he died, right.

445
00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,240
Speaker 3: And then it's somebody that Sarah Jessica has dated or

446
00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,359
Speaker 3: slept with in right, and she tries to warn me

447
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,280
Speaker 3: off him, and I was like, I like him right ever,

448
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:56,640
Speaker 3: so that must be right, because.

449
00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,000
Speaker 1: At one version there was like an argument between you

450
00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,720
Speaker 1: guys about it, like a like a like she still

451
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,679
Speaker 1: liked him or something where we go out cool yeah,

452
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,399
Speaker 1: and Carolyn Strauss was like, no, they're never going to

453
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,880
Speaker 1: be doing that, right, you know. And then the only

454
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,800
Speaker 1: other note that I ever personally got, well, actually I

455
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 1: had to reshoot the scene with the guy, the up

456
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,240
Speaker 1: the butt guy because Darren told me that I was

457
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,400
Speaker 1: too upset because you know, my thing in the beginning

458
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 1: with the guy on the bed mm hmmm, my thing

459
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 1: in the beginning, with my two flats.

460
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 2: You know, I only had two flats. I don't know

461
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:27,639
Speaker 2: what Miranda had. I think I had nothing.

462
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 3: I think I had nothing until I bought the Darkment

463
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:33,200
Speaker 3: and then I had a whole apartment.

464
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 2: Amazing, amazing.

465
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're you're quite out in the world, which I love.

466
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 1: You know, you're walking, you're talking, you're with Skipper, you're

467
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 1: with Carrie.

468
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,440
Speaker 2: We have to talk about you and Carrie. Yeah, we're

469
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:44,880
Speaker 2: talking about you and Carry. Yeah.

470
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,359
Speaker 1: When you think about your relationship, the Miranda Carry relationship,

471
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 1: I feel like and in ways that I never really

472
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,240
Speaker 1: clocked because of course I'm over there, just trying to

473
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,879
Speaker 1: do my best at Charlotte right right, not thinking objectively

474
00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,400
Speaker 1: about everybody, but like it's such a through line and your.

475
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 2: Walk and talks. Now, I remember when we're when we're on.

476
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,360
Speaker 1: And just like that, I'm always like, darn it, they

477
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,920
Speaker 1: have another walk and talk and I'm not in it.

478
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 2: Like I'm always so sad, you know what i mean.

479
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,200
Speaker 1: But when I look back at the history of it,

480
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, of course they do.

481
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 2: It's like a It's like a touchstone our whole entire being. Right,

482
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,120
Speaker 2: Do you feel that way? I do.

483
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:27,120
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm not sure I understand it. I

484
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:31,199
Speaker 3: feel like, you know, I feel like both Charlotte and

485
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 3: Samantha have a thing that Miranda doesn't have, which is

486
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 3: they have a little bit of like, I'm not gonna.

487
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 2: Mess in your world. That's true.

488
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,919
Speaker 3: Yea. I see you doing something. I don't agree with it,

489
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,440
Speaker 3: I don't approve of it, I don't whatever, but I'm

490
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 3: gonna respect it. I'm just not gonna mess with it, right,

491
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,719
Speaker 3: I don't want to have a fight with you, right,

492
00:22:58,800 --> 00:22:59,439
Speaker 3: want to whatever?

493
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 2: Right, Moranda, Right, Miranda, Right?

494
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:10,879
Speaker 3: And I think maybe it's because Miranda sort of came

495
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 3: later to this idea of like a partner children, like

496
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 3: a kind of an interior self, you know. So I

497
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 3: think for a long time Carrie was that person for her.

498
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was like her.

499
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 3: Right, and so she she fights with her the way

500
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 3: you would fight with a spouse.

501
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 2: So true, right, is so true?

502
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 3: Like Miranda doesn't feel like there is a politeness boundary.

503
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:46,159
Speaker 2: No, she doesn't.

504
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 1: And I think that's what Carrie likes and needs, right,

505
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 1: you know, from the carry standpoint, Like here's someone who's

506
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 1: actually going to tell me what she thinks.

507
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 2: Right, She's not going to tiptoe, She's going to go

508
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 2: right in there. Right. Not that she listens to you,

509
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 2: but you know, it's really interesting.

510
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 1: But I know.

511
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 3: So it's like the thing when Miranda disapproves of something

512
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 3: or someone, it's very hard for Carrie to sort of

513
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 3: like wuyet that head in her voice, yeah, because she thinks,

514
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,400
Speaker 3: oh maybe she's.

515
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 2: Yeah definitely, which is what's so great.

516
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: It's such a great and interesting dynamic that I rewatching it.

517
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: I'm really much more aware of it than I used

518
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 1: to be in terms of, like, so many important things

519
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 1: happen on your guys' walking talks, right, you know that effect.

520
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe there's listen to, maybe they're not listened to,

521
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 1: but like you're like thinking out loud and processing together

522
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 1: in a way, and you know you're very different. You

523
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: meet kind of in the middle in an interesting, interesting way,

524
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: you know, like in terms of like kind of intellectually

525
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 1: but also emotionally.

526
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 2: There's an exchange that I really love.

527
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's partly because you are so different and

528
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 1: you have a different point of view.

529
00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're equals, yeah.

530
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: Which is so great in so many ways. Where Charlotte's like,

531
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 1: it's my hair, do you shine? At least that's how

532
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 1: she begins, you know what I mean, But you guys

533
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: right away, right away, I feel like it's very much

534
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 1: equals kind of who respect each other. She I feel

535
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 1: like she needs your opinion. She needs it. You know,

536
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: She's not going to necessarily show you that, right, but

537
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,479
Speaker 1: she's like, oh, you know, she's very in her like

538
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: way like oh you know this, and you're like, really.

539
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 3: I think, right, I mean, I do feel like, you know,

540
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 3: I always I'm very into the Greek gods and school

541
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 3: or whatever I know, and so it's so obvious. It's like, right,

542
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 3: Aantha's Aphrodite, yes, and your Hara right, the goddess of marriage, right, yes,

543
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 3: And I'm Artemis right, and then carrieus, I don't know

544
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 3: who's but but but I mean I think that that's

545
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 3: a thing about Miranda is like she's very like that's

546
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 3: the thing about Artemis. Like she has her whole little

547
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 3: tribe of women and their hunters and they they're they're

548
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,479
Speaker 3: they're not Amazons, but they're kind of like Amazons, and

549
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 3: like men are like second tier, you know what I mean.

550
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 3: And so it's like our relationship is primary, and it's

551
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,479
Speaker 3: why Miranda can like get in there, I mean with

552
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 3: you guys too. Like Miranda like you know, provokes you

553
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 3: and you know all the pinaco. I would just keep walking.

554
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 3: Oh no, Carrie says that, right, I would just keep walking.

555
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. But also like my choice is my choice? Yes, yes,

556
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 2: I choose my choice. I choose my choice. I choose

557
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 2: my choice.

558
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 1: See I don't remember them, right, but she does. I

559
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: can't really remember Miranda in the book so much. Like

560
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: I do feel also like as much as I think

561
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 1: about Charlotte not being fleshed out in the book, I

562
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: don't really think anyone was that fleshed out in the

563
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 1: book in a way.

564
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean I read the book and I liked

565
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 3: the book, but I don't remember it hardly at all,

566
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 3: Like I think.

567
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 2: We kind of just I remember it was hard to

568
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 2: like the people. It was hard to like. It was

569
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 2: he really hard to like the people.

570
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: Michael and I talked about this like it was you know,

571
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: I do think that Candace was you know, kind of

572
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 1: reporting the things she was hearing were going on in

573
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: this kind of certain group of people, like the Finance bros.

574
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: And the you know, it was a dark, as Michael

575
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: put it, a dark kind.

576
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 3: Of a and the men had a lot of power

577
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,479
Speaker 3: and money, a lot of power in money, and there

578
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 3: was kind of this and the women were wanting to

579
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 3: be like just wanting to be.

580
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 1: So Michael talks about when he came in that he

581
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: didn't really know that world. You know that Darren knew

582
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: it and Candace knew it obviously, but Darren knew it

583
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: and was bringing that Like when I watched the Modelizer,

584
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 1: I had totally forgotten about that sex tape thing.

585
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: I was like, what on earth right now?

586
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: I'm one hundred percent sure that that really happened in

587
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: Candace was just reporting it, but like the fact that

588
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: carry has to sit there and be like, oh.

589
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 2: Oh, do you have a light? Like it's so crazy.

590
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 1: But then later she does go to Samantha and say like, oh,

591
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: you know, you might not want to go over there,

592
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 1: you know, in Samantha's like I will, which you know,

593
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: the same I remember about the book is that there

594
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 1: are all these people.

595
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 2: And they're all alienated.

596
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, the men and women are definitely alienated from each other.

597
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 3: They're working across purposes, they're not showing their hand. They're

598
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 3: trying to win, but they're not not win through let

599
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 3: me tell you what I want to hear what you want,

600
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 3: you know, And that there's no sense that I remember

601
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 3: in the book of the women being allied together, right,

602
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 3: and so I think that that's the b I mean,

603
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 3: and the and the Pilot, which I love the Pilot,

604
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 3: but the Pilot captures much more of that sense of

605
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 3: like we're all ships that pass in the night and

606
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 3: we can't help each other, and we're.

607
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 2: All kind of doom, it's true.

608
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 3: Right, But that that's the big switch that makes the

609
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 3: show the show is like we're having we're all on

610
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 3: our separate journeys and they're often disappointing or worse, you know,

611
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 3: harrowing in some way, but but we the thing that

612
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 3: we are not in doubt of is our love for

613
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 3: each other and our commitment to each other and the

614
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 3: factor right, and they were always going to be there

615
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 3: for each other, and that as opposed to men with

616
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 3: whom you might feel like you have to play a

617
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 3: game that with Between the women, we tell each other

618
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 3: what we think.

619
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: Right, which is so so great.

620
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: I feel like that's almost possibly the ending, though I

621
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: really hate to end, because I could touch you forever

622
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: and it's so much fun, and I'd love to hear

623
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: the other like, because even though we were all went

624
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: through it, everyone has slightly different of the coming to it, Yeah,

625
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: memory and coming to it and how you thought about

626
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: it and what you think now when you look back,

627
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: Like it's super fascinating and we're obviously so incredibly lucky

628
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: to be part of it and part of something that

629
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: has been able to last this long. And I feel

630
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: like the reason it's been able to last as long,

631
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: and it's different carnations is the storytelling, you know, and

632
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: the relatability, and they kind of the core you know,

633
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: discovery or like search for answers and you know, like

634
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: Michael has his own viewpoint as you know about you know,

635
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: what our themes are or whatever. Right, I just love

636
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: to talk about it because every time I talk to

637
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: any of us, I learn more about it, right, And

638
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,719
Speaker 1: I feel like people people obviously relate to it in

639
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: different ways for that very reason.

640
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 3: I mean that when I watched the show having you know,

641
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 3: when I watched an episode having seen it however many

642
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 3: times before, the thing that.

643
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 2: Always strikes me is how.

644
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 3: How concentrated its about, how there's no wasted there's no

645
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 3: treading water, right, that it's so compack.

646
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: And I think it's one.

647
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 3: Of the reasons people do like to watch them again

648
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 3: and again and again is there's every there's there's multiple

649
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 3: things going on every moment, and it's so beautifully like

650
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 3: woven together. It's so the themes and the lines, and

651
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 3: that it's like a perfect you know, or a gami

652
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 3: or something you know, like and so of course it's

653
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 3: it's it's funny and it's shocking, and it's beautiful to

654
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 3: look at, both in terms of us and the clothes

655
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 3: and the cinematography and the city. But it's really that

656
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 3: it's it's dense. And I was it's funny because I

657
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 3: was listening to a book on tape on my way

658
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 3: over here of a of a of Nora Efron's first book,

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Speaker 3: and she was talking in great detail about how she

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Speaker 3: came to be a writer from the world of journalism

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Speaker 3: and specifically from the world of the Post, which she

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Speaker 3: said is a terrible newspaper. And also everything is really

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Speaker 3: really short, and she said it was a great training

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Speaker 3: because I wasn't writing multiple pages.

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Speaker 2: And I think, I don't know what there is about

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Speaker 2: Darren and Michael that, you know.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it was that the show was twenty three minutes

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Speaker 3: or twenty seven minutes round whatever.

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Speaker 1: That's where Michael had come from, right, like true sitcom,

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Speaker 1: right timing.

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Speaker 2: But that you have.

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Speaker 3: Maybe if you had one main character, you could tread

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Speaker 3: water a little bit more, but you have four, right,

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Speaker 3: and to try and get four. And we always know

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Speaker 3: this is an episode in which I'm heavy, this is

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Speaker 3: an episode in which I'm light, right, you know, this

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Speaker 3: is this is my episode this is not my episodes.

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Speaker 3: But regardless, even if it's not your episode, you do

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Speaker 3: have a storyline.

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Speaker 2: Right, and you're there, and you're there, you're present, and

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Speaker 2: so to be able to boil.

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Speaker 3: It down and make it be so economical, I think

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Speaker 3: is like everything has to do three things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that that's a really valid point. And I

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Speaker 1: think also why it stands up, you know, I mean

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Speaker 1: like not every tiny detail will stand up, and some

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Speaker 1: of it's nostalgic and some of that that's cringey, right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but it's still fascinating and that's, you know, an accomplishment. Now,

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Speaker 1: I want to say something else, since you're here and

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Speaker 1: since we're on my podcast, and I can, I just

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Speaker 1: want to say that I've said this in different settings.

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Speaker 1: Meeting you and having you be with me through this

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Speaker 1: whole thing and be my protector has been such a gift.

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Speaker 2: You are such a gift.

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Speaker 3: You have been my protector in at least.

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Speaker 1: So for You're sweet and I'm so happy to have

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Speaker 1: gone through this with you and to continue to continue.

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Speaker 2: I cherish you. Love, You're my baby, Thank you for coming.

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Speaker 2: We know you're not a Charlotte. I'm really we don't

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Speaker 2: want you to be. Really, it's cool. Really, it's cool.

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Speaker 1: I don't want people to feel like they have to

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Speaker 1: be a Charlotte.

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Speaker 2: No, it's just a jumping off. It's a jumping off.

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Speaker 1: Question in case I don't know the person right right,

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Speaker 1: but I know you. Thank you, Cynthia, thank you christ

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Speaker 1: I wish, I wish that I know Christmas got Thomas