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Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: with IR Radio. It has been a long week, but

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Speaker 1: we're back on season two, Episode three. Oh the Almost

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Speaker 1: Famous Podcast. Ashley, we've made it a full season. What's

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Speaker 1: going on? Um? Well, what is on my mind is

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Speaker 1: this Christina and Dean drama from this week. It seems

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Speaker 1: to hit pretty close to home with me. I know

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Speaker 1: it's not an exact comparison to me and Jared, Jared

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Speaker 1: and Jared and me, um, but it's got similarities and

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Speaker 1: I definitely feel I definitely feel connected to it. Um

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Speaker 1: Jared of course. Actually yeah, I mean I'm just putting

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Speaker 1: myself in Jared. Juse, how in the heck are you

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Speaker 1: comparing the two of these situations? Okay, so basically the

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Speaker 1: difference is Dean and Christina obviously were dating. They're dating,

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Speaker 1: you know, they went home with each other for a

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Speaker 1: week or more. Um, just there's mutual interest. Right with Jared,

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Speaker 1: we were talking at best, I suppose. But I think

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Speaker 1: the difference is that right now we're seeing Dean say, hey, Christina,

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Speaker 1: I kind of want to broaden my horizons. Like me,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to accept dates and I think you should too.

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Speaker 1: And we see Christina totally heartbroken over this, and she

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Speaker 1: has to witness the guy that she likes so much

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Speaker 1: go out with other girls, snuggle with other girls, just

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Speaker 1: like make googly eyes and other girls and just her

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Speaker 1: her experience is so similar to mine, it is and yeah, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: but then what are you talking about. It's so it

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Speaker 1: was like, it's the most hurtful thing to have to

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Speaker 1: see the guy that you like with somebody else because

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Speaker 1: normally you don't have to watch that. Like the most

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Speaker 1: you're gonna see is through social media. You know how

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Speaker 1: that goes. That hurts in general, and that that so

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Speaker 1: that sucks. Um Also you hear it like through rumors

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Speaker 1: with mutual friends and all that. But like in this

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Speaker 1: weird world that is the Bachelor, you actually have to

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Speaker 1: watch the person you like with other people. And it

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Speaker 1: just is a whole different degree of suck nous. And

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Speaker 1: another thing I could continue. We'll go ahead. People either

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Speaker 1: they're in paradise or like maybe viewers are probably thinking Christina.

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Speaker 1: He said he wants to pump the brakes. He said

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Speaker 1: he wants to do other people. Rudd. It's not even

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Speaker 1: a red flag. It's more than that. And he's blatantly

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Speaker 1: saying like I like you, but I'm not. I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna dedicate too much time to this. I if a

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Speaker 1: guy is saying that he's not that into correct, Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: I think you're completely right. So I have a couple

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Speaker 1: opinions on this, and I look forward here we're gonna

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Speaker 1: we're gonna take a couple of callers to get their

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Speaker 1: opinions as well. But to start off the conversation, I

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Speaker 1: want to say one thing. I like Dean. I've never

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Speaker 1: met Christina. I'm sure sure she's awesome. You're completely correct.

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Speaker 1: Anytime you have to watch anything like this happened in

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Speaker 1: front of you or it's you to do in today's world,

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Speaker 1: it hurts really bad and it's not fair to either

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Speaker 1: party involved, especially when there's real feelings and and and

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Speaker 1: to take some callers here my my personal opinions. I

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Speaker 1: think Dean is terrible ending things with somebody and and

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Speaker 1: I have my my reasoning behind that. But first, Ashley,

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Speaker 1: we have a really exciting announcement. We've we it took

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Speaker 1: us a whole season to get this going. Um, but

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Speaker 1: can you please tell our colors about how they can

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Speaker 1: now call us. Oh, yes, we have an actual hotline.

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Speaker 1: can put it as a contact on your phone and

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Speaker 1: whenever that weekly tweet goes out by me, you can

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Speaker 1: just call into that number and hopefully you get through

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Speaker 1: and we get to talk to you. We have a

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Speaker 1: voicemail if you want to leave us a message. Oh,

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Speaker 1: fun is that? All Right, We're gonna go to our

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Speaker 1: first caller, Lauren and Brittany in d C, my home city. Hey, Laura, Brittany,

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Speaker 1: Hey Nova represent Yeah, Okay, what the heck is Northern

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Speaker 1: what's your question? Guys? Oh, we wanted to ask you all, um,

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Speaker 1: if you like what you think went on off screen

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Speaker 1: with Dean and Christina, because we feel like to understand

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Speaker 1: the relationship on Paradise, there was so much that happened

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Speaker 1: in that those weeks when they weren't filming, and there's

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Speaker 1: guys can actually say. Oh, Ben, you take this question first, Okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, so, as as you know, we have been

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Speaker 1: I kind of like the way Bachelor in Paradise is

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Speaker 1: doing this where they're being very transparent with the fact

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Speaker 1: that people hung out when there is a break in

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Speaker 1: the show. That's not a secret to the audience. It

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be a secret because obviously relationships built in that time.

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Speaker 1: I don't know the details of what happened. I do

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Speaker 1: know that during that break I had heard a rumor

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Speaker 1: that Dean and Christina were doing very well, that they

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Speaker 1: And so all I know is in that break things

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Speaker 1: were progressing forward in their relationship. But I just don't

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Speaker 1: a little shocking to me on the first day back

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Speaker 1: when Dean did in things I was I was surprised

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Speaker 1: by that for me. For me, I think it is

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Speaker 1: important that we point out the fact that this is

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Speaker 1: completely completely unique to the show to have in between

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Speaker 1: time off camera before a fantasy suite. Um, do I

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Speaker 1: know of anything that actually went down? They spent time

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Speaker 1: meet her parents. He may have met other family and

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Speaker 1: may have met friends. And then they took a road

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Speaker 1: trip to Chicago where they hung out with Iggy and

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Speaker 1: Diggy you guys, like, how in the world do two

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Speaker 1: and are all the same? I guess we'll have to

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Speaker 1: ask Dean this next time he's in studio. I do

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Speaker 1: I can reveal right now. WHOA, that's not fair to anybody.

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Speaker 1: And there are things that you and I both talked.

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Speaker 1: Just say that you just can't say it's It's it's

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Speaker 1: into details that it makes no sense. Okay, give us something, Ashley,

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Speaker 1: If it's terrible, you would have to beat me. So

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Speaker 1: what we do know. Okay, Okay, their relationship progressed. They

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Speaker 1: they visited friends and family. There was more to their

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Speaker 1: get to know each other. But they exactly. I guess

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Speaker 1: like they had closed doors, and I think here in Paradise,

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Speaker 1: affected by you know, past relationships and stuff. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: But it's so interesting because we're like dying to know

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Speaker 1: can't believe that the producers weren't like, come on, Dean,

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Speaker 1: lot of fish in the sea, and there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of them here in Paradise and let's date a little bit. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think that everyone kind of seems different from what

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Speaker 1: definitely think we're seeing a different side of him. I

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Speaker 1: and I think there's something very I think there's something

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Speaker 1: very important that I should add about Dean. Is that

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Speaker 1: like the first day that I met him, you know, us,

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Speaker 1: podcast we have a segment called ghosters or Ghostbusters, and

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Speaker 1: how against the whole ghosting trend we are, and and

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Speaker 1: Dean was like, honestly, I have to admit I am

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Speaker 1: a ghoster. Like that's just kind of how I disent

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Speaker 1: kind of let it linger and fade out in the

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Speaker 1: And it's just it's just not how you can deal

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying he's just he's just sweet and he

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Speaker 1: this during Bachelor in Paradise? Right? Danielle drops a piece

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Speaker 1: it here, because Alex, this is something I'm interested in

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Speaker 1: just so frustrated and like my jersey came out of me.

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00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:48,360
Speaker 1: I was like it was just so awkward, Like I

427
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 1: was just so frustrated, and I knew that him and

428
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,679
Speaker 1: Christina like spent a lot of time together, so it

429
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:58,119
Speaker 1: was like just it was awkward. Nominally to Christina, and

430
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 1: like I felt for her, it was for everyone else.

431
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 1: I was just so uncomfortable, and I was like piste

432
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 1: off and then I called him like all these names.

433
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 1: But that's just how I get expactly, I like, I

434
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 1: get more frustrated when things happened to my friends and myself.

435
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: That was just like the sign of a good person. Yeah.

436
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 1: And also, but I'm also frid with both Deal and Christina,

437
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 1: so it was just like a whole awkward But I

438
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 1: just like knew like what Christina was going through, So

439
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 1: I was like senior a little dick. Okay, So two

440
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 1: questions for you. Were you asking Christina, hey, what happened

441
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 1: during the break that made him lose a little bit

442
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 1: of interest? Wait? Say that again, I'm sorry. Did you

443
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:48,199
Speaker 1: ask Dean? Did you ask Christina what could have happened

444
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 1: during the break that made him lose some interest in her? No?

445
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 1: I did. I think it was just the vibe like

446
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,160
Speaker 1: when they came back was all okay. I think they

447
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 1: just had like I think you just rushed into it

448
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 1: too fast, okay. And then secondly, when your friends, when

449
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 1: you're friends with two girls and then there's one guy

450
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 1: involved with both of them. How do you juggle comforting

451
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: two of them? Oh my god, I literally went on

452
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: to Paris. I swear it on I was like a

453
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: therapist I had. But I'm friends with Sarah and Raven two,

454
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: so I was like, this is awkward. And then I

455
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: had to do with Zulo and Christina, so I was like,

456
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I want love two guys, you know. And

457
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm just getting so many questions. Ben, do

458
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 1: you have one before I interrupt again? No? Actually, I

459
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:37,640
Speaker 1: just like listening to two of you. So I'm gonna

460
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 1: sit back and just enjoy this moment. Sorry, Ben? Yeah, Okay, Wait,

461
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,479
Speaker 1: can we talk about Taylor and how insensitive she was

462
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: towards Lazy yesterday? Um, I wasn't really interesting episodes? Last

463
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 1: night was kind? Uh? Okay? Did you are saying? Did

464
00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: you did you watch last night's episode? Okay, and let's

465
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 1: talk about Taylor in general. Then she just seems to

466
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: not be very sensitive towards other people's feelings. Is this

467
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: some edit that she gets or is this really her? No?

468
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: I think I honestly on the first she like on

469
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 1: My Paradise, I mean my Fastlor's season was nick? I like,

470
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 1: wasn't the biggest fan of Taylor, But then I think

471
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: this in Paradise, I really got to know her on

472
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: a different level, and I feel like she she like

473
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 1: does care. But I don't think her and Lacey. She

474
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 1: she's really cool to Dominique. That's why I think she

475
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 1: was just pushing Biggy onto him, I mean onto her. Okay,

476
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: that's some good insight. Can I get some more insight

477
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: from Alexis? There's something that's been on my mind for

478
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 1: a long time. I don't get it. I don't understand it,

479
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: and I don't know why, but every time it's it's said,

480
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 1: it makes me think there's some hidden meaning behind it.

481
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 1: Um why in this world? Because I really don't know.

482
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: Is Danielle referred to as d Low because we had

483
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: Danielle m on our season. It's just so funny. Also

484
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: how it's always like athlete. I then h like, why

485
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 1: does that even happen? But yeah, Danielle Um was on

486
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: our season, so like we just called Danielle Lombard, so

487
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: Danielle and then see, well so her first initial and

488
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 1: then just the two letters of her last name. So

489
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 1: there's no like, there really is no hitting me. I

490
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: always thought there had to be something else behind this,

491
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: And I have one last question. Um, so Wells and

492
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: Danielle I'll kiss last night. So I freaked out? Okay, okay,

493
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: so you didn't know, did I? It was just it

494
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: was a great moment. No, I was, and they didn't

495
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: telling me about Oh my gosh, we had no idea,

496
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: so I had to watch it. Um, we did like this.

497
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: I was in l A last week and I watched

498
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 1: it as well as in a room and like with

499
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: like couple producers and he like, we watched that scene

500
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: and he like did it like pality was so I like,

501
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 1: I was freaking out, like punching, and I was like,

502
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: how did you not pass? Like that was the hottest

503
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: kiss that I've ever seen in my wife. It was

504
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: a good kiss and the reason that I had feelings

505
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,479
Speaker 1: for him for a long time. He's a really good kisser.

506
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 1: Oh I'm sorry. But also interesting that they've been friends

507
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: for a year and a half and then they decided

508
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: to have that first kiss on camera. Interesting, you're genuine,

509
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 1: I know, And it was like hot, Yeah, you could tell.

510
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: I was watching last night and before we send you off, Alexis, Um,

511
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: I was watching last night and I could just tell

512
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: there's something about to happen, Like there was so much

513
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: tension and there were so many things going through and

514
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: I knew they were friends. I had no clue this

515
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: happened either, And I'm good friends with Wealth. I'm I'm

516
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: interested now to hear where their story plays out to um,

517
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 1: but I kind of agree with you, Like there in

518
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 1: a lot of moments in this show that gets me

519
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: at my heart level right, that makes me like really

520
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: smile in like a genuine way and says, Wow, this

521
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: is I'm really happy for this moment, And that was

522
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: one of those moments for me, Like it just seemed

523
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: more real than anything I've seen on this show in

524
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: a long time. No, I was. I asked him like

525
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: a thousand questions after it happened, so with him when

526
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: we were watching it, and I was like, we saw

527
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: are you guys that could camp? Now? Like what's going on?

528
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: Did you guys look up in Nashville? Like did you

529
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: touch on new groups? Like I was really, I was like,

530
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: how could you keep this? How did you see this

531
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: of it? I ended off with So he's the best

532
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: I love him, So, yeah, it's interesting. Actually, he and

533
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: Danielle went on a date I think even before Wells

534
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: was ever on the Battelorette because they were part of

535
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: the same friend group back in Nashville. So if you

536
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: want to hear all about that, UM, I have an

537
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: interview with Wells on my I don't get a podcast,

538
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: so more in depth there. But thank you Alexis so much.

539
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: You were very informative and you're just the coolest. And

540
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: I think I share the same sentiment as the entire

541
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: Bachelor nation when I say I think everybody wants to

542
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: see more of you. Yeah, we want. Hey, make me

543
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: a deal. You're going to come back on this podcast

544
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: at some point before Paradise is over, right, of course,

545
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: but yes, I would love all three of us together

546
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: in Hey, thanks Alexis. Before we move on you guys

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583
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584
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Speaker 1: to Tori from Pennsylvania. Tori, Hi, Hi, Yeah, I hear

587
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: you have some very strong feelings about Dean and Christina.

588
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: I do watching that the other night and my mom

589
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: was dying because I was just ranting off how irritated

590
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: I felt about it. Um. Well, I love Christina. I

591
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: loved her when she was on next season. I feel

592
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: like she's so real, and so I was excited when

593
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: her and Dean got together because I was like, oh,

594
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: they can relate like with their tough upbringings and things

595
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: like that. Um, so I'm still excited when they got

596
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: together and then the whole filming stopped. Um, and when

597
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: they came back, things just weren't the same, and I

598
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: was like, oh, no, trouble in Paradise times too. So

599
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: did you think that, um, she really wanted to go

600
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: on that date with Adam or was that just a

601
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: way of getting Dean back? I think it was a

602
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: way of getting Dean back. I mean, who doesn't want

603
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: to go on a date in Mexico? But I think, um,

604
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: if she would have won, it would have been like

605
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: serving Dean his own medicine, you know, being like you're

606
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: gonna go on dates with other people? Who says I

607
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: can't do the same thing. I think you're always I

608
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: think you're always curious to know other Going on that

609
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: day is going to make them jealous and then make

610
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: them want you more, Yeah, or it could do the

611
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: complete opposite and completely break up the relationship. So I

612
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: feel like for Christina was like kind of an out

613
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: either way, like out I go on a really great

614
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: day and leave Bean behind, or like out like Dean's

615
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: going to realize what he's missing. I mean, vengeance is

616
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: never the way to approach relationship, right, I mean that's

617
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: kind of so if she is feeling that way, uh,

618
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: doing anything to get back at Dean isn't gonna work

619
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: out well in the long run for either party. It's

620
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: it's just gonna get confusing, or it's gonna pull Christina

621
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: in too many directions, or let's look at it this way.

622
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think Dean handled this situation correctly.

623
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: I don't. I think there's a lot to it that

624
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: we don't know that we didn't see. I think, um,

625
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: the way that he expressed himself wasn't clear. It wasn't

626
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: the best way to end things. I don't know if

627
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: he knows how to do that well. But he's a

628
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: good guy. We all know he has a good heart.

629
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: He wants to do this appropriately. But she's not doing

630
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: anything better by then saying, hey, I go on a

631
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: date with Adam if her intention was to get back

632
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: at Dean, because the only person hurting that is really Adam.

633
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: Like what if Adam were to fall for Christine in

634
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: that moment and then he sits stopped? Look at the situation,

635
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: say all I am is a rebound or all I

636
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: am is is an object to which you want to

637
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,240
Speaker 1: get to your goal, and that's not fair to Adam.

638
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: So I don't think any person if that's how what

639
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: she was pursuing that date for, did this correctly? So true?

640
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: I would agree with you. Yeah, And don't you feel

641
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: like I feel like Dean was like showing youth and

642
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: just showing his how uncomfortable he was in hand and

643
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: juggling between two girls up until the cake. Would you

644
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: think about the half birthday cake? I don't know, Um,

645
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: it was awkward, right, I don't know. I don't know

646
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: what soil finny? Alright, I feel like, do you want

647
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: me to talk about like Delo and Dean or sure?

648
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: How do you feel like Dlo and Dean in the

649
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: constant giggling? Okay, the constant giggling. Danielle is so so beautiful.

650
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: I just feel like she's so like put together that

651
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: she doesn't have like proper reactions to things, if that

652
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: makes sense, Like she's too afraid to be silly and

653
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: like really let her guard down. And I get it,

654
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: like it's that's a common thing. But a lot of

655
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: times I'm just like Danielle, just like be yourself and

656
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: like it seems like everyone loves her. So I don't

657
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 1: know if it's just like being on camera or what.

658
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 1: But the constant giggling, I'm like, it's everything that funny

659
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: or just laugh a lot? Okay, Ben, do you think

660
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: it's cute and girls laugh a lot at you, like

661
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: with you on a date? Mm hmmm. I like to

662
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: think I'm really funny, so that makes sense. I make

663
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: really good jokes sometimes, So I hear that guys like

664
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: the giggle, like, guys like it when girls laugh a

665
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: lot on dates. But I'm not gonna laugh at you

666
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: if I don't think you're funny. Yeah, I mean you're funny.

667
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: It's often a nervous um twitch to right, like, so

668
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: when you get nervous or you're feeling awkward, like, laughing

669
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 1: is always a way to kind of subdue the situation.

670
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: So I understand why she would laugh, and maybe if

671
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: she gets more comfortable and she you know, we have

672
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: to remember she's brand new to this experience. She just

673
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: got there, and so let's give her the benefit of

674
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,720
Speaker 1: down and say in you know, in a few weeks,

675
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: if she's still giggling after everything, Dean says, um, she

676
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 1: either is really in the Dean or she's just still

677
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: uncomfortable and that's not a great sign. So Hey, thank

678
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: you so much for calling, and we we we got

679
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 1: to get to Casey and Delaware. Casey and Delaware, you

680
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: got a great question and we cannot wait to hear it. Hi. Hey, Hello, Hi,

681
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: how are you? Um? What's the question that you have

682
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 1: for me? What are your thoughts on Jane and Christina?

683
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: My thoughts on Dana Christina is, first of all, I

684
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: love Dean, So I've been cutting him a break this

685
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: whole time, and the only time I've finally was like, Okay, Dean,

686
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna give your mind is um last night or

687
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: two nights ago whenever he brought out the cake for

688
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: the half birthday. That's and I'm like, oh my gosh,

689
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 1: she's making it really bad for Christina. So I think

690
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 1: the problem with Christina is that Dean is someone who

691
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 1: gets away with like being wished you watched me and

692
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: just kind of like blowing off conversation. The Christina is

693
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: not firm enough with him, Like when he was on

694
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: the season with Rachel, he even said like I need

695
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: someone who's going to push me to like kind of

696
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 1: open up and Christina is not pushing him, and I

697
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: don't think she wants to push him because I think

698
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 1: her gut knows that she likes him more than he

699
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: likes her, obviously because he goes on this or he

700
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: goes on this other date with someone else. And so

701
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: I think that the problem is is that Christina likes

702
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: him more than he likes her. And so unfortunately when

703
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 1: that happens, as the female in that situation, like she

704
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: should just get out of that because she's gonna be disappointed.

705
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: I know, easier said than on, but I completely or

706
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: garethe you when you say that she's probably not pushing

707
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: because in her soul she knows what the answer is

708
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: gonna be, right, I mean, so what's so? What? My

709
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: my question for you then is what is the appropriate

710
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 1: behavior for Christina? Then? Um? You know, we we understand

711
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 1: both parties have some type of feelings for each other.

712
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: They've expressed that. And if even if she does like

713
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: him more than he likes her, what should she have done?

714
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 1: What would have been the right thing to do? Um?

715
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 1: I think in this situation it's paradise, So she can't

716
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 1: stop him from going on a date with someone else.

717
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: I think for her own sanity. I think she just

718
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: needs to say, look like, I'm done. I think you've

719
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: made your decision. If you wanted me as much as

720
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: I want you, like, you wouldn't have went on this

721
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: other date. Um, So you go ahead, you do your

722
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: thing with Danielle, but I'm done. I'm going to be

723
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: open to new people that come in because that's the

724
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: only thing that's going to get her like Overdean, even

725
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: though I mean it's obviously it's easier said than done

726
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: because she had stronger feelings, but it's one of those

727
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: things where her kind of being a being there like

728
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 1: that Dean knows that she's in his back pocket. Yeah,

729
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 1: it's just so much easier so than done being in

730
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: that situation because people are like, oh, you know, go

731
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: on onother date like somebody else, Like, no, I need

732
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: to recover from getting over this person the person yet

733
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: oh yeah, you're like, he doesn't compare, he doesn't compare.

734
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: So okay, So you have some great insight. I really

735
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: appreciate you answer my question there because I think you're

736
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: spot on right. I mean, such a hard situation for

737
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 1: so many people, and it's typically in life you aren't

738
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,720
Speaker 1: exposed to having to date multiple people in in front

739
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: of the person you just broke up with. So it's

740
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: it's difficult, it's hard. And for Dean, now, I guess

741
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: my intrigue goes to a place of what's next, What's

742
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: how is he going to handle this situation correctly and

743
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: and choose to do something that is wise from here

744
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: on out? Because right now I don't think he's making

745
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: wise decisions. Um, so this will be I think a

746
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: season for him to grow and we'll get to watch that.

747
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: So Casey, thank you so much for your input. Um,

748
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: we appreciate it. I love you both so much and

749
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: actually you speaks what every girl think. So I really

750
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: appreciate everything that. Yeah, I love it, so, thank you

751
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: so much. That means everything to me. Ashley is every

752
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: girl's girl. And hey, I hear that we have a

753
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: guy on the line, John from d C. You have

754
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: another d MP. John, You're protein. You're protein. Well, I mean,

755
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if I want to stay

756
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: on pro Dean. I just want to push back on

757
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: the Dean slander I've been seeing on Twitter a little bit. Um,

758
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: I just think, I mean, I feel like Christina and

759
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: like lazy they're they're just taking Paradise a little bit

760
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 1: too seriously with everything. I feel like the places just

761
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,439
Speaker 1: have fun and uh, I don't know, play the field.

762
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: I guess me new people. I feel like, I don't know,

763
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 1: like some people are just taking a little bit too seriously.

764
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: Hold up, hey, John, I'm gonna warn you right now.

765
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: You just you just opened up a can of worms,

766
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna sit back. I'm gonna listen to you

767
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: and Ashley battle this one out for a little bit

768
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 1: because you um disqualified Paradise and actually does not handle

769
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: that very well. So actually get him, girl. I'm sorry.

770
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: I don't mean to disqualified Paradise. I just think in

771
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: the first few, first few episodes, first few weeks, I

772
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: think it's just it's tind to mingle a little bit.

773
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: I definitely think parad is the place where you can

774
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: find love. Um, if you kind of want to just

775
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: play the field, you've been on the Bachelor, go ahead

776
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 1: and play the field in your hometown. Don't go on

777
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: the show if you're just gonna mess around and just

778
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: break hearts in on the sand. Um. Okay, I think

779
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: they're I'm getting up the Dean isn't the best guy. No, no, No,

780
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: he's a good guy. He's just ignorant to his actions

781
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: right now. He's just he's unaware of how he's by

782
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: the hair. Yes, I agree with you. I agree with

783
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: you on that he's definitely very physically attracted it now

784
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: and he just wants to look at her for a while.

785
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: But I think his heart is with Christina. This is

786
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: just my personal opinion. Um, Like, tell us about your

787
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:12,439
Speaker 1: life a little bit. How old are you? Okay, Yeah,

788
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: that's why you think Paradise is a playground. Oh jeez,

789
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 1: that's just what it seems like. You know what here,

790
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,280
Speaker 1: you know what you're so you bring up a great

791
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: point and one that I think people need to know about.

792
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: Everybody does the Bachelor, you know for the you know

793
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: you do it for the right reasons, you have for

794
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: wrong reasons. Blah blah blah. I think we've talked about

795
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 1: on the podcast before. I think you did for many reasons.

796
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: And then when you're there you take it very seriously.

797
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 1: All I can tell you is that going into Paradise

798
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: you think of it even more lightly. You're like, I'm

799
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: gonna go hang out with all my friends. Is gonna

800
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: be so fun and then for some reason, you step

801
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: foot on that sand and everything's a big deal and

802
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 1: it's all about love and you want to be coupled

803
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: up immediately. And it's so funny because de Mario like

804
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 1: the person that you think would take it like only

805
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: for fame and only for fun. Said yesterday in his

806
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: interview with Chris Harrison. He goes, you know, I want

807
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,439
Speaker 1: to have fun, and then within hours of being there,

808
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: I was like, wait a second, I can find my

809
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: wife here. It's just so funny the way your mind works.

810
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 1: I don't believe anything to Mario says okay, well believe me,

811
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:24,959
Speaker 1: you know, just believe what I say. Okay, Okay, Hey John,

812
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. Man, I appreciate it. And uh

813
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: and and you got some emotion to Ashley, which is

814
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: something that I always appreciate and our listeners appreciate too,

815
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: So thanks man. Um. You know, I want to I

816
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: want to close off this Dean and Christina conversation with

817
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: with one comment here. My comment is this is I

818
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: can see, as in Paradise, how the new and shiny

819
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: thing is the most attractive thing and the in the moment,

820
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: and so we have to then, as as fans of

821
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,280
Speaker 1: the show, wait and watch to see if if Dean,

822
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 1: if this new shiny thing is in Danielle, the thing

823
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 1: that just that that she just came onto the beach,

824
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: if that relationship plays out to be anything good, or

825
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: if his heart starts to turn back to Christina because

826
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: he realizes that the person that knows him best is

827
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: the person that he always that he also likes the most.

828
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 1: But I think it's something that we can all relate with.

829
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: We can all relate in life with the new thing

830
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: seems to be the most attractive in the moment, but

831
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: over time we realize it's not the most fulfilling, and

832
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: we typically go back to the thing that knows us

833
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: best or the thing that we know best. So that

834
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: is going to be a storyline that plays out for

835
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: the rest of the season. Something that else that I

836
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,080
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837
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838
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839
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840
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841
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842
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843
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844
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,560
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845
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846
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847
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848
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849
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874
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Speaker 1: just me or do moms end up enjoying wine even

875
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 1: more with age? Uh? Yeah, I think so. My My

876
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: my mom's very very spry young person, so with every birthday, though,

877
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: I do see her maybe enjoying a glass of wine

878
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,439
Speaker 1: a little bit more. That's true. I want I wonder

879
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: why that is. But honestly, I think, uh, everybody, you know,

880
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: I'm seeing a lot of men too, And I know

881
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: this is that oftentimes you don't so shape, you know,

882
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: men with a big glass of red wine. But I

883
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: think a lot of people are are loving themselves some

884
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886
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: want to run back. Then we we've talked a lot

887
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: about Dean and Christina, so let's not touch on it

888
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: as much as what we could because we keep going

889
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: and going. There's a lot to it. I want to

890
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: see if we can just run down this week's episodes

891
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: of Bachelor in Paradise, because there's a lot that happened,

892
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: including the tomorrow interview, UM that we all believe it

893
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: was gonna be juicy or do we all believe we

894
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,280
Speaker 1: get some answers from and I want to hear UM

895
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,479
Speaker 1: later on if you believe we got the answer we needed.

896
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: But to start, But to start this conversation, UM, let's

897
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: talk about Raven. Raven is uh and I heard somebody

898
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: explaining her this this episode as probably the most desired

899
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: woman UM during this season in Paradise. And I want

900
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: to know what is it about Raven in your eyes

901
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 1: that so many people are so attracted to? UM. I

902
00:47:55,840 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: would say it has to do with her sweet boys,

903
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: her like demeanor, her very feminine Southern demeanor, Her body

904
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: is great, she seems to get along with everyone. Yeah,

905
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: I mean she does you know she does. I mean,

906
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: she speaks. I think everybody kind of likes her, and

907
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: I watched these episodes and and she's friendly with everybody. Um,

908
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I don't understand this part

909
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: of paradise. Actually, How does because I've never been ob

910
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: to be this person, I don't get away with anything.

911
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: I get in trouble for everything I do. I can

912
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: try to do the best thing, and I still get

913
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: in trouble for it. How does somebody go on so

914
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: many dates, three different dates, and not that she shouldn't

915
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: because it's the concept of the show, but that there's

916
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: no repercussions because then and not to go back to

917
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: Dean because I don't want to go back to this.

918
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 1: But then Dean goes on to a date with two

919
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:49,720
Speaker 1: separate women and he's just complete ostracize, He's hated, he's

920
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: he's hate mailed, and Raven. Doesn't we say, oh, how

921
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: cute for Raven. She's just trying to find love, Isn't

922
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: That's so funny? It's very hypo critical. My only the

923
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: only thing I can think of to excuse that is

924
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: it just seems like Dean and Christina were initially far

925
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: more invested in each other than Raven has been with

926
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: any of these other guys. Raven doesn't seem to be

927
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: like leading these guys on at all. She just is

928
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: making them seem like possible. On a date, kissed a girl.

929
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 1: Twelve minutes later, went on another date the first girl's bawling.

930
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: Good for Diggy, No, I think that was messed up.

931
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: I felt again for Lacy because I again have been

932
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: the situation where I've come back from a date. Then

933
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: it's happened both of my seasons. I no, I was

934
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: mad at I thought I was lame of Welles to

935
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: do that. I think I think it depends on it

936
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 1: just you know what it comes down to. It just

937
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: depends on the person people, and that's not fair to me.

938
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: It's not fair. It's not fair. But then why do

939
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: you say that, What does that mean you make the

940
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: statement it depends on the person. There's has to be

941
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: something behind this, because this isn't just in paradise, this

942
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: isn't in life, right I've I've talked about and joked

943
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: about it many times with my friends. Is there's some

944
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 1: people that can get away with anything. Nobody ever gets

945
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: mad at that. Nobody ever gets frustrated with what is

946
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: it when you say it's just the person in your opinion,

947
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: that makes it just the person. I can only speak

948
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: from experience. I'm thinking about last season. I won a

949
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 1: great date with Wells. Then he the next two days,

950
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 1: he went on two more dates consecutively, and then I

951
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 1: was like, the oh, actually so desperate. Actually it's at home.

952
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: She's upset that he's going on the days, but Wells,

953
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 1: it is so hot. He's the bachelor in Paradise. But then,

954
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: like in this case, Dean goes on two days with

955
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: two super girls and he is just totally vialified. It

956
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: just doesn't make sense. And I can only say it's

957
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: gonna be a person by purpose, person basis. I mean,

958
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: so let's let's let's make this about me for a second. Okay, Um,

959
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: let's just imagine that I'm in Paradise, uh, and I

960
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 1: do a very similar thing that Raven did in in

961
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: reverse roles. I'm going on dates. Um, you you and

962
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: I both know, and I think we can admit to this.

963
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: It would not go over easy with anybody. People be

964
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: very upset, especially especially viewers of the show. I think

965
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: you would see a lot of of questions and concerns

966
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: and very similar what deans getting. If I did that,

967
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: I can just imagic because I've been. I just know

968
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: how people react to the decisions I make. What is

969
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: it about me actually, in your opinion that would make

970
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: people react that way? I think that they think you're

971
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 1: the kind of guy who has the decision making skills

972
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: to choose the one person that he likes the most

973
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: and to stick it through. Well, I mean, but you're

974
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: in paradise, like I just got, and I'm we're just

975
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: spit ball here. This is all role play. But you're

976
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 1: in paradise, Okay, There's tons of people coming in and out.

977
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: You just got to know these people there. Everybody's attractive,

978
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: everybody's interesting. You all have common interests in common bonds.

979
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: So why won't you explore it? Like, why do you

980
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 1: just choose to choose the stick stick it out with

981
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: the one person if you aren't feeling it? And I'm

982
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: all for exclusivity, like I monogamy is something that I

983
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: want and desire and think it's best. But when you

984
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,720
Speaker 1: choose to put yourself in an environment we're dating multiple

985
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: people is the format and it is known widely known.

986
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: Why is it unacceptable to do that. I have no idea.

987
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 1: It's a great question. I think that some people have

988
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: like the label loyal on them and then the other

989
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: people have the label fun and flirty. And I think

990
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: for you, you definitely had that stamp that says loyal. Yeah,

991
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: and that's fair and that's what I want, you know.

992
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 1: I guess my argument there and we can move on

993
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 1: from this, is that there when we talk about loyal

994
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 1: I believe you're loyal when you've made a commitment. And

995
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,280
Speaker 1: if you haven't made that commitment, if you haven't openly

996
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: communicated with the person and say, hey, you and I

997
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: are going to try to stick this out, or you

998
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,439
Speaker 1: and I are going to do this thing together into

999
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: the moment that we can no longer do it, or

1000
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: we just move on in life like maybe they date

1001
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: forever off of it. Until you are openly discussing those

1002
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:02,439
Speaker 1: type of things, loyalty is it, You're still exploring, You're

1003
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 1: still inquisitive about who's out there, and so, uh, my

1004
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: definition of loyal to be until you've openly communicated and

1005
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: made that decision, then it doesn't necessarily come to play.

1006
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,720
Speaker 1: But that's just me. I mean, I haven't been to Paradise.

1007
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: I have no clue how would handle it. I'm just

1008
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: watching it as a viewer and I'm saying, how do

1009
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: how does Diggie get away with this? How does ra

1010
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,399
Speaker 1: even get away with this? But yet some people are

1011
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: just totally hated on for doing the same thing. It's

1012
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 1: never made sense to me. I don't know if it

1013
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: ever will, um Ben, I wish I had a better

1014
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 1: answer for you. It's just it's something that's a little

1015
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,320
Speaker 1: mind boggling. It's something that I think we need to

1016
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: talk to other people about, get like outside Bachelor Nation

1017
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 1: point of views on Yeah. I mean, luckily we have

1018
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 1: an email that people can email to, or as we

1019
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 1: mentioned at the front of the podcast, we now have

1020
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: a call line and you can leave a voice message.

1021
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: The number is eight three three two three six six

1022
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: two seven four. We want to hear after you listen

1023
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 1: to this podcast your opinion on this matter. Please leave

1024
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: a wasteamil. We're not gonna be able to get to everybody,

1025
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: but actually are just trying to gain some insight, some

1026
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: wisdom into this um. But we got to move on

1027
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: to probably the biggest topic in the Bachelor franchise in years, right,

1028
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 1: We talked, We've talked, We've done interviews about it. Actually,

1029
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: you and I both have our opinions on it. We

1030
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: don't necessarily agree on everything, but we at least know

1031
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: where each other stands. This week, Chris Harrison did an

1032
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 1: interview with The Mario to discuss the situation that went

1033
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: down in Paradise between himself and Karine. Actually, you have

1034
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: a unique perspective on this interview, and I want to

1035
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: hear your thoughts on a couple of things. Was Demorrio authentic?

1036
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 1: Was he genuine and coming out of that interview? Now,

1037
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,720
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts towards a situation? Um, My biggest

1038
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: bone to pick and last night's interview seems to be

1039
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: that people are really um making this a de Mario

1040
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: versus Karin debate, and it certainly isn't. I think everybody

1041
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: needs to remind themselves that this whole controversy started because

1042
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: somebody in the production in realm didn't feel comfortable with

1043
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: what they saw or heard was going down. It had

1044
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: nothing to do with Karin having a problem with Tomorrow

1045
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: or Tomorrow having a problem with Karin. Yeah, I guess,

1046
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,879
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't I don't know what necessarily say

1047
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: this actually, but I think that was all true up

1048
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,879
Speaker 1: until the point where and Tomorrow spoke on it. Karin

1049
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: said she was a victim. So if you're a victim,

1050
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 1: you're a victim to somebody or your victim to the show.

1051
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: Is that what she meant? And this is a good

1052
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 1: This is a good topic because I don't know if

1053
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: I have any clarity on this was Curren saying she

1054
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: was a victim to to the production and the show

1055
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: or she a victim to Tomorrow. I think we talked

1056
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:40,280
Speaker 1: about this last week. Karin certainly needs to clarify that statement. Um,

1057
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 1: did she mean tomorrow? Did she mean production? And I

1058
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,359
Speaker 1: think she will do that next week, so I think

1059
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: we shouldn't even talk about that. Obviously. Tomorrow was very

1060
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: emotional last night. Um, he seemed genuine. He definitely has

1061
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: the support of his cast members, which means a lot

1062
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 1: Um Jasmine and Raven, we're obviously very emotional in the

1063
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 1: man's They just do not want their friends to be

1064
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 1: seen in a poor light for like the rest of

1065
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: his Google life. Yeah, I mean, and that makes sense, right.

1066
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: I mean, if as we talked about before, you and

1067
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 1: I still don't have a lot more information we did

1068
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: months ago on the matter. We just wanted the truth

1069
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: to come out. And that's what that's kind of how

1070
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: we stand as as this podcast or as friends, as

1071
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: we just want the truth to come out, and and

1072
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,280
Speaker 1: wherever the truth takes you, then we make that decision.

1073
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,240
Speaker 1: And if the truth is that everything was dismissed based

1074
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 1: on the investigation, then you hope that the Mario's name

1075
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 1: is not ran through the mud forever, because that's really

1076
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 1: unfortunate to him, right. I mean, last night, one of

1077
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 1: the moments that really stuck out to me was when

1078
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 1: he said he has just imagined a couple of times

1079
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: the fact that his kids will google his name and

1080
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 1: this will be the first thing that comes up. That's hard,

1081
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: and that's difficult, and and and people twenty years from

1082
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: now I won't understand the situation like we do today. Right,

1083
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: They're only going to get these little brief synopsis is

1084
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 1: and they're not going to see his whole media tour.

1085
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 1: He's done a great job this week about owing to

1086
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: all these outlets and being super articulate and being very smart,

1087
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 1: seeming and well put together. The only thing I have

1088
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: to say about tomorrow and his speech is I wish

1089
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: he would eliminate some of the curse words. It's like, dude,

1090
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: you know what I curse of fine amounts. You know,

1091
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: you're just about to drop out in my real life,

1092
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: But when I'm on the podcast, when I'm on Access Hollywood, like,

1093
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: I never let it slip. It's just that's something you

1094
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: can hold back, and for some reason he has no

1095
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: desire to. Yeah, it kind of takes away from it.

1096
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: So I guess that's that's my next question for you then?

1097
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: Is is he being genuine? Is he being authentic or um?

1098
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I know how it is, uh And we

1099
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: talked about in the podcast a while back. I know

1100
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 1: how it is when you do media tours right after

1101
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: a while, you do have to become vague and you

1102
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: do come deco, become desensitized to some of the things

1103
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: you're talking about because you talk about them over and

1104
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: over and over and over again. So last night, when

1105
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: you're watching this, we've gotten a lot of emails and

1106
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: callers call in say they are wrying during tomorrow's interview.

1107
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 1: They were there emotional with him and for him, just

1108
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 1: like Raven and Jasmine were. My question for you is

1109
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 1: were you feeling that way? I don't know. I think, Um,

1110
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: I feel like I may be a little jaded in

1111
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: the situation because I'm so in this, but I wasn't there,

1112
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I'm in this world.

1113
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: I hear things, but I wasn't there, So I don't

1114
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: know if I can determine how genuine he was I loved.

1115
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna go with my gut and say

1116
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: that he has been greatly affected by this and it's

1117
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: a really, really unfortunate situation that nobody had to go through.

1118
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: And I don't think he did anything wrong. Um, I

1119
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: just I wasn't like moved tears in by any means

1120
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: makes sense. He's an actor. He's also an actor. Whoa whoa,

1121
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 1: whoa wha. You just can't throw that out there. What

1122
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: do you mean by that he has a past? Like

1123
00:58:56,080 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 1: he called himself an actor. I think before Rachel see

1124
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: in he has those TMZ videos with Britney Spears, Like,

1125
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 1: this guy has been dying to be famous, and I

1126
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: think he's finally getting the attention and he's been craving. Yeah,

1127
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: I doubt it's the attention that he would want to crave,

1128
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: but but he is getting attention and I mean, people

1129
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: do know his name now, and unfortunately, as we talked

1130
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 1: about many times, actually you know, I've talked about it

1131
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 1: offline a lot is being famous is not fulfilling, but

1132
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: it is a vacuum that sucks you in and sucks

1133
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 1: you up and can suck you dry. And unfortunately, it

1134
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 1: can completely change who you are as a person. And

1135
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 1: hopefully I beg of Tomorrow if you listen to this,

1136
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: which who knows if he does or not, or any

1137
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: of these people out there, any of our listeners, don't

1138
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 1: let attention change you, or don't let attention change your

1139
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: value system, because if you do, you're gonna end up

1140
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 1: in a situation that twenty years from now you might

1141
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: not like. And it seems maybe attractive at the moment,

1142
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 1: but long term it's not. It's not at all, Um

1143
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: the legacy you want to live. And I hope that

1144
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: Tomorrow now is speaking authentically that he is upset, that

1145
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 1: he just wants us to go away. Um, that the

1146
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: fame that's coming from this is not something he wants.

1147
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: And so it's interesting that you would that. I mean,

1148
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 1: that is something to think about. He he is an actor.

1149
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 1: I saw that tmz R video that he did with

1150
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 1: Britney Spears. It does seem weird, doesn't it? And I

1151
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 1: don't know talking Okay, So he told Brittany in this interview, Um,

1152
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 1: He's like, Yo, Brittany, I'm gonna be star, Like, how

1153
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: are you? Like, I'm gonna I'm going I'm gonna be

1154
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: big in Hollywood. Like he really pumped himself up in

1155
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: this two thousand nine like uh TMZ catching Brittany getting

1156
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: into her car video and yeah, let me clarify. Obviously

1157
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 1: he didn't want the attention from this. I think that

1158
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 1: all of his words are genuine. Did I think he

1159
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 1: hammed it up a bit? I think there's a chance.

1160
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want to say that.

1161
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: I think he was acting in that mark. You both

1162
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 1: thought interested in what Karin has to say, you know

1163
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: in the next episode. I wish you know what. I

1164
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 1: wish they taped this together. They taped this on the

1165
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 1: same day, within the same amount of hours. They didn't

1166
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: get to watch each other. I would have loved to

1167
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 1: have Karine watched Tomorrio and then come back and rebuttal Um,

1168
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 1: I'd like to have her respond directly to what she saw.

1169
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if anything. I guess maybe

1170
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 1: I'm for forgetting something, but I don't remember anything last night,

1171
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: and Tomorrow said that she would necessarily need to rebuttal

1172
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: with and so I'm interested in what Karin has said

1173
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 1: because I do want her to explain the victim comment. Um.

1174
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: I want to know more so that you know, if

1175
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a public matter, and this is

1176
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: going to be criticized and judged and talked about in

1177
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: the public setting, then we shouldn't. I think people should know, um,

1178
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 1: why things were said or done the way they were done,

1179
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: who exactly she's frustrated with and that at and then

1180
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: looking back on her experience. You know, Tomorrow was very

1181
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: open about how much he cared for Karin, like how

1182
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 1: much he still respected Karin. Um. I want to hear

1183
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 1: if she feels that same way about Tomorrow. I want

1184
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 1: to I want to hear if through this whole process,

1185
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: all she wanted was for this to kind of get

1186
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: cleared up, um, and for nobody's name to be dragged

1187
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: through the mud. I find it interesting they haven't spoken

1188
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 1: since the incident, uh to Mario mentioned this, I think

1189
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 1: last night, but he definitely mentioned it to me and

1190
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 1: my Access Hollywood interview, he said the ball is in

1191
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 1: her court. Yeah, I don't get that. He I guess

1192
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 1: he did reach out in that d M right. He

1193
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 1: had said to her like, whoa, we broke Paradise. He

1194
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 1: said that last night, and maybe that was him reaching

1195
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 1: out and now he's waiting for a response. I don't know.

1196
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's definitely odd. Well, it's

1197
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 1: gonna play out and it's gonna be interesting. Um. I

1198
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 1: think this next week in our next podcast, we'renna have

1199
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 1: a lot more information after hearing from Karin um. But uh,

1200
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 1: it is a storyline that obviously has kind of um

1201
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 1: sucked the bachelination in and after watching last night, it

1202
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: does seem like Demorrow's confidence is a little shook. But

1203
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 1: somebody's confidence wasn't shaken last night. I don't know if

1204
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 1: anybody else saw this, um but but but Robbie, the

1205
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 1: guy with the hair where a suit last night during

1206
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 1: this interview that is emotional and is intimate and is

1207
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: a huge, huge topic that screams confidence. I mean, this

1208
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 1: guy better be dating somebody after paradise because he's walking

1209
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 1: on He's walking on water right now. I thought you

1210
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 1: were gonna say, not about his soup, but about the

1211
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 1: fact that Chris asked Raven how he was at kissing

1212
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 1: and then Raven said, I plead the fifth and then

1213
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: Robbie was like, well, I think it was a great kiss. Yeah. Yeah,

1214
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 1: I mean, hey, he knows, he knows what he wants

1215
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 1: and he's gonna say it. Um I I do. I mean,

1216
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 1: he's screaming confidence right now. So if he doesn't end up,

1217
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we all kind of have an

1218
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: idea that he ends up with somebody after Paradise. But

1219
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 1: if he doesn't, then this will be very confusing for

1220
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 1: me because he just seems very comfortable in his own skin.

1221
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 1: Do you wear that pink suit? Uh? Amy? I Well,

1222
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: he had the shirt unbuttoned a little bit, and you

1223
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 1: could tell like he had that like chest line that

1224
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 1: happens when people are really uh muscular showing. I don't

1225
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: have that, So I don't think I could rock it

1226
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 1: the way he does, but yeah, i'd wear I mean,

1227
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 1: maybe maybe that's the next step, is I gotta start

1228
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 1: expressing myself better through the clothes I'm wearing um because

1229
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, sometimes I got some confidence.

1230
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 1: I have got the talk about how funny Amanda was

1231
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 1: when she rejected the kiss from Robbie. Um, she's like,

1232
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 1: I just don't really know if I feel like, um,

1233
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 1: she having a kiss yet. And he is just like

1234
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 1: sweating there looking like a Josh Murray too point now,

1235
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 1: you know, because like losing the cool physically, and then

1236
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 1: he looks like an eighties pop star, like he looks

1237
01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 1: like Kenny Loggins to me with the beard Kenny Loggins. Yeah, Um,

1238
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you're right, Yeah, she's she's she seems to

1239
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 1: attract these these sweaty guys and um, I mean what

1240
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 1: you know, I don't what is it. They're shiny, maybe

1241
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 1: they're they're they're literally the new shiny thing that comes

1242
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 1: in the paradise that she's so attractive to Amanda so

1243
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 1: undercover reel like she pre sends herself like this little barbie,

1244
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 1: you know, like the sweetest speaking boys who has never

1245
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 1: said anything controversial. But then like she just says this

1246
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 1: is the most authentic things, Like, you know, I'm not

1247
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 1: really sure, you know, she's always true to herself. Yeah,

1248
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 1: I mean I got to know that side of Amanda

1249
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 1: during the Bachelor, and I guess I never pictured Amanda

1250
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:48,439
Speaker 1: as somebody that was um, this little like doesn't say

1251
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 1: anything very PC type person because I never saw that,

1252
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 1: so maybe I just have a different perspective Amanda. She's

1253
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 1: always been very um open about what she's thinking and feeling.

1254
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 1: She can communicate herself very well, like I don't know

1255
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 1: if you've seen that yet, but she's she's a great communicator.

1256
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 1: She's very clear and what she says um. But it's

1257
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 1: interesting and and I want to keep watching. But it's

1258
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 1: interesting that a man has been so quiet this season

1259
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:17,480
Speaker 1: so far. I mean, she she is one of the

1260
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 1: most sought after women and but yet she she just

1261
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 1: kind of keeps the back to the background. So will

1262
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 1: be interesting if she kind of steps forward um during

1263
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 1: the season Bachelor. Yeah, I just want I'm saying this

1264
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 1: stuff because I want people to know the real Amanda,

1265
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 1: who doesn't always shine through on the show. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: maybe this isn't her arena, but who knows. Maybe she

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Speaker 1: ends up at the end of the season with somebody,

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Speaker 1: um that she really cares about, and we can all

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Speaker 1: watch Amanda fall in love once again because I think

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Speaker 1: all of us would appreciate it and love it, because

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Speaker 1: I think all of us do like Amanda for the

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Speaker 1: woman she is, um and something else that we love,

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Speaker 1: something else that we love for the thing it is

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Speaker 1: is movement watches. And actually I know that you love

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Speaker 1: yourself some movement watches. I see it on your Instagram.

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Speaker 1: You aren't ashamed of them, so hey talk about them.

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Speaker 1: I love movement watches because they're found out them to

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Speaker 1: believe that styles shouldn't break the bank. They're very expensive

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Speaker 1: looking watches that aren't that expensive. They're high fashion, high quality,

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Speaker 1: but at revolutionarily low prices. So this company was actually

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Speaker 1: started by two broke college kids and they wanted to

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Speaker 1: wear stylus watches but couldn't afford them, so they started

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Speaker 1: their own watch company. Um, these movement watches started just

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Speaker 1: nine dollars. But at any department store, if you're looking

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Speaker 1: at watches like these, that would probably cost you at

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Speaker 1: least four hundred five bucks, four hundred or five hundred bucks.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's insane. So here's the deal. If you

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Speaker 1: movement watches like as you said, Justine today today they're

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Speaker 1: off with free shipping and free returns. All you gotta

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Speaker 1: do is go to envy empty dot com slash almost famous.

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Speaker 1: That's m v empt dot com slash almost famous by

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Speaker 1: a watch Join the Movement, Ashley. Yeah, it is so

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Speaker 1: good to talk to you again. It is so good

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Speaker 1: to be able to sit down for two nights of

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Speaker 1: my week and Bachelor in Paradise every time, and then hey,

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Speaker 1: get to come in here and talk about it with

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Speaker 1: all you lovely people out there. Yeah. But we'll be

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Speaker 1: back next week and I'll tell you what I'm excited

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Speaker 1: about it. We're gonna see Karin. We're gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: the Dean ruined his chances chances to be the Bachelor.

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Speaker 1: And then a question that I'm wondering, Um, and I'm

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Speaker 1: extremely interesting because I have no insight into it. Who

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Speaker 1: is going to be the Bachelor? Could it be somebody

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Speaker 1: that we don't know yet, could it be somebody from

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Speaker 1: way long ago. It's not gonna be me. You guys

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Speaker 1: going to be no idea. How much of my week

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Speaker 1: has been dedicated to the speculation of who's going to

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Speaker 1: be the next Bachelor. Uh. People are just very very

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Speaker 1: confused because it just seems like, well, it seems like

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Speaker 1: Peter is not in the running anymore, and you're basically

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Speaker 1: said no, but we basically has said no, and Dean

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Speaker 1: is maybe screwing his chances on Paradise. So and you know,

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Speaker 1: as you've heard it here on the Almost podcast, Ben

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Speaker 1: is not doing it this season. So good luck Bachelor

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Speaker 1: casting producers. UM, you guys, We're going to answer more

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Speaker 1: reader emails next week because I'm looking at them right

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Speaker 1: now and they are juicy. Um. But until then, you're

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Speaker 1: just gonna have to you know, you're just gonna have

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Speaker 1: to wait and look at your your app, um, your

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Speaker 1: podcast app, and just keep refreshing and refreshing until we

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Speaker 1: come up with there again. Hey, we are. We are

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Speaker 1: recording these every Wednesday, so look for the podcast to

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Speaker 1: come out each Wednesday. I know during Bachelor's seasons on

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Speaker 1: Tuesdays it's been a little confusing, so they're gonna come

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Speaker 1: up on Wednesday nights. Listen. We appreciate you, thank you,

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Speaker 1: This has been the Almost Famous podcast I've been been,

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