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Speaker 2: To get a real read on what is happening on

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Speaker 2: We turn now to the Democratic congressman representing Florida's fourteenth

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Speaker 2: congressional district, of course, in the direct line of this storm.

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Speaker 2: Congresswoman Kathy cast is with us now here on Bloomberg

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Speaker 2: TV and Radio. Thank you for joining us. Congresswoman. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure this is a harrowing time. We hope you have

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Speaker 2: found your self to safety. What is your degree of

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Speaker 3: This is an epic.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Hurricane Colleen was less than two weeks ago,

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Speaker 4: and thousands and thousands of my neighbors have debris their

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Speaker 4: the Congress finished and out Saturday morning after Heleen hit

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Speaker 4: and folks are in shock. They cannot believe the size

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Speaker 4: this double whamming that has poses a triple threat with surge, rainfall,

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Speaker 4: after when Helene surged in there were many water rescues.

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Speaker 4: They're not going to be able to do it if

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Speaker 4: folks have got to get out. And if you hear

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Speaker 5: Well, Congresswoman, we should mention for our viewers and listeners

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Speaker 5: Hillsboro County. These are the areas that are apparently going

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Speaker 6: We heard from the mayor of.

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Speaker 5: castor no relation, who said, point blank, if people do

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Speaker 5: not leave the evacuation areas tonight, they will die.

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Speaker 6: Is that accurate, Yes.

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Speaker 3: It is, Yes, it is there.

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Speaker 4: This is an unprecedented storm and with the hotter temperatures,

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Speaker 3: That's why it intensified so rapidly.

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Speaker 4: I led the Climate Crisis Committee in the Congress for

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Speaker 4: What wasn't able to be included was a lot of

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Speaker 2: Well for those who have already fled and are wondering

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Speaker 4: I've seen incredible cooperation between our local authorities, the cities

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Speaker 4: FEMA has sufficient funds to respond to this emergency. To

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Speaker 4: impending catastrophe in Florida. It's also the Francis Scott Key

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Speaker 4: It's about your wallet in this day and age, and

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Speaker 5: That's your governor doing down there at Congress Woman a

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Speaker 6: What would they have to talk about anyway?

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Speaker 4: You know, Governor de Santis is really going to need

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Speaker 4: a President Harris, if she's elected for the rebuilding effort,

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Speaker 4: I'm here what our economic engines in the Tampa Bay area,

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Speaker 3: They are in the hangar.

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Speaker 4: Same with the Coastguard station in Sane Pete Port, Tampa Bay.

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Speaker 4: sure wouldn't hurt the governor to take the Vice president's call,

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: And of course voters have a decision to make on

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Speaker 2: This is a concern we also had in the aftermath

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Speaker 4: Yes, and after Hurricane Ian Hurricane Irma, there were additional

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Speaker 4: clearly going to have to do that here. The vote

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Speaker 3: So thousands of people had been.

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Speaker 4: So where are those ballots and will they have additional

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Speaker 3: And these are things that.

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Speaker 4: It's not the it's not my top tier issue today,

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Speaker 5: Well, it's great to have you with us, Congressoman. I

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Speaker 5: cast a Democrat from Florida's fourteenth district. The language that

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Speaker 5: we're hearing from Florida, Kayley, is really something Public officials,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and at this point with the storm what thirty

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Speaker 6: That's for sure.

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Speaker 5: Welcome to the Tuesday edition. I had to check to

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Speaker 5: having gotten the hurricane briefing earlier, to travel to Milwaukee,

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Speaker 5: and it will be tomorrow. This is something else. Milton,

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Speaker 5: Days after Hurricane Helene, and there are a lot of

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Speaker 5: hear public officials talk this way.

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Speaker 6: Quote.

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Speaker 5: I can say this without any dramatization whatsoever. If you

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Speaker 6: Unquote.

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Speaker 5: Glad Lauren Rosenthal is with US live from New York,

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Speaker 5: Bloomberg Weather reporter, joining us now for the second time

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Speaker 5: in two weeks on a major natural disaster. Lauren, it's

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Speaker 5: great to see you. What do we know about landfall

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Speaker 5: and windspeed?

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Speaker 7: Sure?

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Speaker 8: I know that Milton is still going to be a

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Speaker 8: and gets really close to making landfall in Florida, probably

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Speaker 8: sometime tomorrow night. So its top winds will still be

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Speaker 8: very destructive, and what forecasters are really worried about is

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Speaker 8: the risk of storm surge. Milton is getting a lot

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Speaker 8: inundating communities in Florida that are still cleaning up from

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Speaker 6: What does this mean for Tampa.

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Speaker 5: It looks like there will be a direct hit or

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Speaker 5: Mister Blevins, welcome back to Bloomberg. It's spent some time,

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Speaker 5: There was a time when a natural disaster like this

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Speaker 5: Now it's a political opportunity to use misinformation, but to

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Speaker 9: Right, Well, first of all, thank you for having me on.

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Speaker 9: It's good to be with you again. Although it's disappointing

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Speaker 9: And it's an unfortunate, you know thing to see.

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Speaker 6: Well, it sure is.

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Speaker 5: We've heard reports of some folks turning away help from

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Speaker 10: Well, I think that's the you know, is part of

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Speaker 10: Well, it certainly, you know, doesn't help.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's pretty amazing to see anti Semitic attacks against

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Speaker 9: Well, and this is you know, again where I think

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Speaker 9: Right, and not everyone you know, not every user has

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Speaker 5: It just says a lot about where we are, Professor,

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Speaker 9: So you know, the very agencies that they should be

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Speaker 6: Professor. It's great to have you back. We thank you

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Speaker 5: Jeffrey Blevin's Department of Journalism, University of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: on ABC, just heard her on the Howard Stern Show

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Speaker 2: on radio. She still has the late show coming up.

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Speaker 2: And as we keep track of the headlines that are

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Speaker 2: being generated from these interviews, there's one in particular making

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Speaker 2: the rounds in Trump and Republican circles. It has to

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Speaker 2: do with this administration and any differentation between her and

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Speaker 2: President Biden. Here was the exchange on the View.

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Speaker 7: Which you have done something differently than President Biden during

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Speaker 7: the past four years. There is done a thing that

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Speaker 7: comes to mind in terms of and I've been a

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Speaker 7: part of most of the decisions that have had impact

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Speaker 7: the work that we have done. For example, capping the

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Speaker 7: cost of insulin at thirty five dollars a month for

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Speaker 7: our seniors is something I care deeply about.

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Speaker 5: So nothing let's assemble our political panel. Genie Schanzano is

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Speaker 5: with us, of course, Democratic analyst, Bloomberg politics contributor, political

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Speaker 5: science professor at Iona University, joined today by Lester Munson,

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Speaker 5: Republican strategist from BGR Group. Great to see you both.

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Speaker 5: Welcome back here in our two balance of power. Genie,

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Speaker 5: surely she was rehearsed to answer that question.

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Speaker 6: Was that the way to handle it?

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Speaker 12: No, I don't think so. You know, it's interesting, you know,

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Speaker 12: Kayleie mentioned this is making the rounds in the Republican

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Speaker 12: circles Toms campaign a few days ago, when Joe Biden

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Speaker 12: made his first foray into the press room at the

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Speaker 12: White House, he said something very similar, and I've never

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Speaker 12: seen a campaign make a commercial as fast as Donald

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Speaker 12: Trump's campaign did. These are not the messages that the

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Speaker 12: Harris campaign wants to be sending out, especially since today

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Speaker 12: on this issue of change, she got.

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Speaker 3: Some really good news.

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Speaker 12: The New York Times Siena poll said she's closed the

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Speaker 12: gap on change that many many Americans, many more than

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Speaker 12: before with Joe Biden, see her as the candidate of change.

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Speaker 3: She's made that now within the margin of errors. So

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Speaker 3: I think this was a misstep on the view.

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Speaker 12: I think it was a misstep by Joe Biden in

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Speaker 12: the press room the other day. She's got to differentiate

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Speaker 12: herself from Joe Biden because change and forward looking is

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Speaker 12: what wins campaigns, not backward and looking, especially when so

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Speaker 12: many people are not happy with the direction the country

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Speaker 12: is taking right now.

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Speaker 2: Just to emphasize those numbers you're referring to, Genie. In

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Speaker 2: this New York Times Siena poll, which was conducted September

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Speaker 2: twenty ninth to October sixth, when asked who represents change,

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Speaker 2: forty six percent said Kamala Harris. Forty four percent said

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump. So as we consider the changes potentially voters

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Speaker 2: do want to see between this administration and the next one.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to think how we might see this ad

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Speaker 2: in particular showing up or how this phrase in particular

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Speaker 2: maybe showing up in campaign campaign ads. Words are difficult today, Lester.

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Speaker 2: Is this going to be images of people coming over

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Speaker 2: the border, statistics on a legal migration than Kamala Harris

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Speaker 2: saying that she wouldn't have done anything differently? Is it

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Speaker 2: going to be statistics around the economy same message or

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Speaker 2: on the left? Could it be what's happened in Israel

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Speaker 2: and Gaza over the course of the last year In

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Speaker 2: one day now, as we marked one year since October

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Speaker 2: seventh yesterday, that gets her in trouble with progressives.

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Speaker 13: Look, I have a rare disagreement with Genie here. I

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Speaker 13: think this was the only option Kamala Harris had. You know,

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Speaker 13: Joe Biden's out there saying President Biden's out there saying

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Speaker 13: she and I agreed on everything. She was involved in

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Speaker 13: all the decisions. She can't really go out in public

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Speaker 13: the next day and say the President is wrong and

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Speaker 13: she is tied to him. She's the vice president. She

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Speaker 13: was there for three and a half years. She owns

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Speaker 13: all all of these things, whether she admits it or not.

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Speaker 13: I think better for her to say, yes, I was

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Speaker 13: there for all of those decisions. I believe they were

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Speaker 13: the right ones. That doesn't mean we're not going to

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Speaker 13: have change going forward. And here are the places where

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Speaker 13: I think we need to pivot to a new approach.

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Speaker 13: And maybe it's the border and parts of the economy,

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Speaker 13: and if she wants to kind of go into that

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Speaker 13: minefield the Middle East. But so I just think it's

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Speaker 13: a smarter in the long run for her to say, yes,

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Speaker 13: I am with the President on these things, come hell

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Speaker 13: or high water, because I'm going to be with him anyway,

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Speaker 13: So I'm going to defend that and then pivot to

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Speaker 13: these other new opportunities. Yes, it leaves her a little

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Speaker 13: open to the attack from Trump, but to divorce herself

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Speaker 13: from Biden would open her, I think, to a much

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Speaker 13: bigger attack of being, you know, mendacious and disloyal and

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Speaker 13: having no anchor whatsoever.

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Speaker 6: Really interesting.

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Speaker 5: I want to ask you a little bit more about

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Speaker 5: this New York Times, Sana pol You've got a national

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Speaker 5: number that we looked at. You've got a Texas number,

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Speaker 5: not a bit big shot. Donald Trump leading by six

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Speaker 5: points there. But then there's Florida. Guys, I don't know

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Speaker 5: what you make of this, a staggering thirteen point lead

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Speaker 5: for Donald Trump fifty five percent to forty one percent

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Speaker 5: in Florida, the state that is bracing for the storm

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Speaker 5: right now. And it's an interesting bit of analysis from

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Speaker 5: Nate Cone in the New York Times, who says this

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Speaker 5: is not an outlier, Genie, that the demographics essentially of

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Speaker 5: Florida have changed post pandemic. How do you see this

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Speaker 5: as a polling expert.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I.

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Speaker 12: Don't think we know yet. And it was very interesting

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Speaker 12: to read Nate Cohen's piece where he said, you know,

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Speaker 12: I'm not going to say this is an outliar, as

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Speaker 12: he has done in the past, because of course this

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Speaker 12: is not in line with the rest of the polling

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Speaker 12: that we have seen come out of Florida. That said,

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Speaker 12: I think this number does suggest, and it continues to

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Speaker 12: suggest in the other polls we've seen, that Florida is

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Speaker 12: going to look more like twenty twenty two than twenty twenty.

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Speaker 12: I think that's for sure. I think Donald Trump, it's

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Speaker 12: his home state. He is popular there. I think he

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Speaker 12: wins the state. I'm not so sure he does that

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Speaker 12: in a thirteen percentage point victory. So there's that. I

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Speaker 12: would also just you know, add about the New York

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Speaker 12: Times Siena very curiously, why didn't we see the Senate

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Speaker 12: numbers from Florida and Texas when they released these? That

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Speaker 12: has been the practice for the Times. They did not

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Speaker 12: do that this time, which leads some of us to speculate,

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Speaker 12: in its peer speculation that maybe those two are looking

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Speaker 12: quite different than some of the other pollings. So it's

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Speaker 12: going to be interesting to see when those important races

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Speaker 12: come out.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad you mentioned those Senate races, Genie, because

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Speaker 2: those are the kind of incumbent Republicans that we're seeing

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Speaker 2: that could be might be a stretch. I know you

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Speaker 2: don't think so. In Texas, potential pickup opportunities for Democrats.

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Speaker 2: But when we consider Florida specifically in the incumbent Senator

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Speaker 2: Rick Scott, who of course was governor. I was having

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Speaker 2: a conversation with a few people this morning about how

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Speaker 2: his experience as governor, his handling historically of natural disasters,

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Speaker 2: could benefit him. Here ask hurricane Milton barrels toward Florida.

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Speaker 2: I would remind everyone that Senator Scott did show up

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Speaker 2: and meet with Joe Biden when he traveled to Florida

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Speaker 2: last week. Lester, is this storm something that actually could

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Speaker 2: work to his benefit, whatever humanitarian cost it may come at.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean these storms are always you know, in

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Speaker 13: addition to, of course the vastly more important human tragedy

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Speaker 13: of folks who may lose their lives or their livelihoods,

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Speaker 13: or their property and whatnot. Is there's a political aspect

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Speaker 13: to all of these storms. You know, I'm from Chicago,

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Speaker 13: where we had a mayor, Michael Blandick, who lost reelection

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Speaker 13: because he didn't plow the streets very well after snowstorms.

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Speaker 13: So you think about Hurricane Katrina during the Bush administration,

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Speaker 13: you know, President Bush's reputation was impacted by what people

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Speaker 13: saw as his response to that crisis. So these things

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Speaker 13: are always political. We should expect our politicians to position

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Speaker 13: themselves to look like responsible stewards of the government resources

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Speaker 13: that are going to be needed. And it's the incumbent government,

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Speaker 13: it's the party in the White House who's actually more

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Speaker 13: vulnerable here. Will the FEMA response be deemed as adequate?

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Speaker 13: Are the real issues in delivering aid on the ground?

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Speaker 13: What should we make of some of these kind of

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Speaker 13: crazy misinformation campaigns. I think Scott if he's if he's

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Speaker 13: true to his kind of chief executive roots as governor,

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Speaker 13: does have a real opportunity to kind of demonstrate some

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Speaker 13: leadership here, whether it's working with the administration or challenging

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Speaker 13: the administration to do a little bit better.

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Speaker 5: You go to the FEMA homepage, Genie, and you see

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Speaker 5: the first entry on Hurricane Milton, and then there's something

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Speaker 5: called Hurricane Helene rumor response. They've had to put up

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Speaker 5: a whole section of the website to knock down some

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Speaker 5: of the misinformation that's been put out there on social media,

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Speaker 5: including some things that have been suggested by Donald Trump

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Speaker 5: on the stump, like you lose your house, you get

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Speaker 5: a seven hundred and fifty dollars check and that's the

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Speaker 5: end of it.

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Speaker 6: What does that tell us.

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Speaker 5: About where we are that FEMA has to have somebody

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Speaker 5: put this on the website.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean it.

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Speaker 3: Is utterly stunning.

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Speaker 12: There was a time when a disaster like this people

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Speaker 12: are really seriously impacted. They We've had two hundred and

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Speaker 12: fifty dead or more by Heleen, and now we have

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Speaker 12: Milton coming and the idea that politics would be played

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Speaker 12: like this is, you know, still stunning to me. And

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Speaker 12: the fact is you had the governor of Florida refusing

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Speaker 12: to take phone calls from the sitting Vice president and

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Speaker 12: then bragging about it on TV. You've had Donald Trump

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Speaker 12: out there with a misinformation campaign, and the reality is

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Speaker 12: a scary reality. You talk about FEMA, they're saying now

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Speaker 12: only nine percent of their workers are available to respond

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Speaker 12: onto these disasters.

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Speaker 3: That's a huge decrease from.

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Speaker 12: Where we were. And I was so glad you had

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Speaker 12: the congresswoman on and talking about the economics of climate

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Speaker 12: change because it is here to stay and all of

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Speaker 12: us Republicans and Democrats have to address that. And that

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Speaker 12: begins of course in Congress. So a lot of important

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Speaker 12: conversations to be had not this misinformation that we're hearing.

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Speaker 2: On the subject of Congress, Lester, we heard from the

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Speaker 2: Speaker of the House in the aftermath of Helene that

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Speaker 2: the resources were there for FEMA, there was no need

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Speaker 2: to call Congress back for a special session before the

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Speaker 2: election to address supplemental funding. Does Hurricane Milton change that calculus.

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Speaker 13: Well, it certainly could, And it sounds like this is

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Speaker 13: going to be an epic storm for the ages, and

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Speaker 13: if it does play out that way, then I don't

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Speaker 13: see why Congress could, you know, wouldn't be able to

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Speaker 13: come back, even though it is a very important election cycle,

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Speaker 13: come back and do what's necessary to make sure the

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Speaker 13: people of Florida and who are or else may be

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Speaker 13: impacted by this storm get the resources they need. And

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Speaker 13: as we know, FEMA is pulled in a bunch of

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Speaker 13: different directions by recent storms and some other issues, and

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Speaker 13: so it is Congress's responsibility if they're going to need

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Speaker 13: more resources. We're going to need you guys to come

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Speaker 13: back and vote for.

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Speaker 14: It, all right.

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Speaker 2: Lester Munson of BGR Group and Jeanie Shanzino of the

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Speaker 2: Center for the Study of the Presidency in Congress and

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Speaker 2: Bloomberg politics contributor our political panel today, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: As we consider a landfall that could be made late tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: The back half of this week, Joe clearly going to

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Speaker 2: be dominated by the storm and its potential aftermath. And

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Speaker 2: as we've mentioned, Joe Biden was set to travel internationally

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Speaker 2: leaving Thursday. He has now canceled that trip to be

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Speaker 2: here to respond to the storm.

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Speaker 5: Both Senator Marco Robio Congressman Jared Moscowitz both describing this

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Speaker 6: We'll have a lot more ahead.

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Speaker 5: Kamala Harris leaves the bubble and the Vice president conducts

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Speaker 5: the start of a massive media blitz. Sixty minutes last night,

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Speaker 5: kayleie today, as we've been telling everyone, it was the

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Speaker 5: View made a little bit of news there, Howard Stearns.

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Speaker 5: She's talking to you right now just down the dial

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Speaker 5: be Colbert tonight a town hall and Univision Thursday. Will

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Speaker 5: the Republican campaign be able to still criticize her for

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Speaker 5: not doing interviews?

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess that's the question, considering she did do

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Speaker 2: sixty minutes, which aired last night, Donald Trump did not.

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Speaker 2: This thing may go both ways. But as you allude

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Speaker 2: to her appearance on the View, of course, we played

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Speaker 2: you earlier this hour, the clip of her being asked

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Speaker 2: if she would do anything differently than Joe Biden, she said,

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Speaker 2: nothing comes to mind.

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Speaker 14: She then did come.

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Speaker 2: Back though, to that kind of question, she said, and

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Speaker 2: this is a quote you asked me, what's the difference

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Speaker 2: between Joe Biden to me? That will be one of

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Speaker 2: many differences. I'm going to have a Republican in my

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Speaker 2: cabinet because I don't feel burdened by letting pride get

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Speaker 2: in the way of a good idea. Unclear if that

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Speaker 2: pride is Joe Biden's or just this general idea of

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Speaker 2: not putting someone from the opposing party in your cabinet.

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Speaker 2: What we do know, though, based on an exclusive interview

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Speaker 2: with Bloomberg earlier today, is that Jamie Diamond, the CEO

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Speaker 2: of JP Morgan, might like that idea. This is part

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Speaker 2: of what he told are Lisa Bromwitz.

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Speaker 15: It's about growing the economy, it's not about putting business

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Speaker 15: people there. I also, I think we should insult each

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Speaker 15: other as citizens try to understand each other. And I

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Speaker 15: think it'd be great at the next president they really

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Speaker 15: want to set where they say unify, you know, put

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Speaker 15: someone from the other part of your cabinet.

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Speaker 2: All right, So Jamie Diamond might like this idea. Let's

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Speaker 2: see if Kevin Walling, like said Joe, he's joining us here.

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Speaker 6: He does in our Washington, d C.

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Speaker 3: Studio.

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Speaker 2: He of course is a democratic strategist. So we've heard

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Speaker 2: from her on the view. We've heard from part of

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Speaker 2: her interview with Howard Stern. We saw her on sixty

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Speaker 2: Minutes last night, Kevin, by and large, for someone who

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Speaker 2: has not been doing that much media up to this point,

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Speaker 2: how's the blitz going?

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Speaker 10: Well?

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Speaker 11: Even the campaign to your point, he's calling it this

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Speaker 11: media blitz, previewing it among her campaign spokespeople.

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Speaker 14: I think it's great. It's perfectly timed.

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Speaker 11: We saw kind of a similar strategy with Donald Trump

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Speaker 11: over the summer where his numbers were up before Joe.

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Speaker 14: Biden dropped out of the race.

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Speaker 11: Again, the key factor is this five to ten percent

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Speaker 11: of folks that are undecided or are thinking that they

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Speaker 11: focus is on this Trump obviously Harris dynamic in terms

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Speaker 11: the more important factor is that five to ten percent,

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Speaker 11: appealing to these wider audiences is part of this splitz,

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Speaker 11: as you call it, and the campaign calls it, is

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Speaker 5: This began again with an interview on sixty Minutes which,

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Speaker 5: But an interesting moment here, And I wonder if this

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Speaker 5: because it strikes me that we're not talking about policy here,

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Speaker 5: We're talking about personality. These are interviews that tell us

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Speaker 5: Interesting moment last night, as they were discussing the Second

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Speaker 5: Amendment and her revolution here in the public talking about

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Speaker 5: I own a gun in the debate, if you break

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Speaker 6: The Oprah interview, and.

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Speaker 5: Then last night we actually got down to the make

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Speaker 6: Here's Comm. Harris on sixty minutes.

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Speaker 7: I have a glock, and I've had it for quite

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Speaker 7: some time. And I mean, look, Bilt, my background is

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Speaker 7: in law enforcement.

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Speaker 5: And.

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Speaker 14: So there you go.

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Speaker 10: Have you ever fired it?

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Speaker 7: Yes, of course I have at a shooting range.

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Speaker 5: Yes, of course I have.

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Speaker 6: I have a glock. Who are we talking to here?

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Speaker 5: Is this an effort to make her appear like less

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Speaker 5: second Amendment, or are we trying to reinforce the law

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Speaker 5: enforcement bona fides knowing that a lot of progressives have

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Speaker 11: Yeah, jud it's a good question. You know, we were

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Speaker 11: all out in Chicago for the convention. So much of

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Speaker 11: her bio emphasis was on her record with criminal justice, right,

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Speaker 11: being that attorney general, being that border state ag.

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Speaker 14: Taking on transnational gangs.

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Speaker 11: That was in every bio video and things like that,

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Speaker 11: because again, I think women in general, and I work

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Speaker 11: with a bunch of women candidates have a higher bar

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Speaker 11: executive role. Right, are they tough enough to take on

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Speaker 11: some of those challenges? And I think the dynamic that

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Speaker 11: some of those kind of taking on those character questions

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Speaker 11: when it comes to a lot of undecided men in

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Speaker 11: and the vice president, she's shoring up those folks. On

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Speaker 11: Howard Stern Today last week with the podcast with the

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Speaker 11: two former NBA players, right, especially appealing to long largely

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Speaker 11: to young black men. Right, The key component of her

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Speaker 2: And call her daddy, potentially reaching out to young women

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Speaker 2: the Alex Cooper podcast she did over the weekend. Is

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Speaker 2: there still something she needs to tap into an interview

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Speaker 2: or a place where she could get that audience she

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Speaker 2: needs that she is not going because, as Joe alluded

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Speaker 2: to earlier, there might still be some criticism that she's

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Speaker 2: going to friendly or outlets, people who are throwing her

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, I think that argument goes out the

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Speaker 11: window now with that sixty minutes. That's the toughest, one

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Speaker 11: of the toughest interviews that we've seen going back generations

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Speaker 11: of both sides of the nominees showing up for that interview. Obviously,

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Speaker 11: something Joe mentioned with Scott Pelly condemning Donald Trump's pull

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Speaker 11: out of that, So.

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Speaker 14: I think that goes out the window.

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Speaker 11: I think later in this week, as Joe alluded to,

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Speaker 11: we're going to have that Univision town hall. Obviously, hispanics

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Speaker 11: aret of key concern and focus, especially in key states

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Speaker 11: like Arizona and Nevada still for this campaign. But again,

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Speaker 11: I think it's a matter of reaching as many people

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Speaker 11: and that key factors at five and ten percent, not

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Speaker 11: to signing between Trump and Harris necessarily, but deciding whether

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Speaker 11: to actually show up and vote. And she's got to

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Speaker 11: go outside these bubbles. They're not watching US sadly, most

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Speaker 11: likely they're not watching CNN, They're not watching MSNBC or Fox.

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Speaker 11: These are folks that are outside of that mainstream where

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Speaker 11: the conversation is happening.

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Speaker 15: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Well, not that Donald Trump is a stranger, just speaking

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Speaker 5: with friendly interview your He has typically gravitated toward right

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Speaker 5: leaning programs and right leaning interviews. Is back on Hewitt

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Speaker 5: yesterday talking about whether it would be possible to turn

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Speaker 5: Gaza into another Monaco, for instance. Both campaigns have decided

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Speaker 5: to largely issue the sort of traditional, hard hitting journalist interview.

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Speaker 5: Is that smart politics?

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Speaker 11: I think it's a reflection of where the changing dynamics

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Speaker 11: are with regards to the media landscape. To your point,

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Speaker 11: Donald Trump, the twenty seven and the last thirty media

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Speaker 11: appearances have been before conservatives, listen to you with the

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Speaker 11: since he's doing Ben Shapiro for the first time, that's

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Speaker 11: today as well that the campaign the Trump campaign just previewed.

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Speaker 11: I think it's a matter of going where eyeballs and

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Speaker 11: ears are and the shifting dynamics of the media landscape

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Speaker 11: more than anything.

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Speaker 2: Well, as we consider the media landscape and what people

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Speaker 2: are seeing things in between those actual produced segments. They're

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Speaker 2: seeing ads. So at this point in the cycle, is

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Speaker 2: it the interviews, the new information that maybe gleaned from them,

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Speaker 2: that actually make a difference, or is it just the

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Speaker 2: flooding of the airwaves with the same messages we're seeing

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Speaker 2: over and over and over four weeks out? What actually

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Speaker 2: matters here?

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Speaker 11: I think what actually matters to your question, it's a

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Speaker 11: really good one, is just content?

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Speaker 14: Is everything? Right?

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Speaker 11: The matter for this campaign to get out, both campaigns

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Speaker 11: to feed that beast?

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Speaker 14: Which is content? Right?

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Speaker 11: The thirty second spots on TikTok that you know we're

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Speaker 11: all on our phones watching Instagram videos to flood the zone,

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Speaker 11: which you know a lot of these long form interviews

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Speaker 11: to your point earlier, you know, it was a forty

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Speaker 11: minute conversation with you know, with that podcaster in terms

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Speaker 11: of call me what is it called color Daddy?

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Speaker 14: Callored? Yeah, I see, I'm like this. I'm already probably

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Speaker 14: more my demographic than well.

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Speaker 11: Those clips were broken up right in terms of getting

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Speaker 11: that element out there, and that's you know, that's again

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Speaker 11: content is critical and winning the content game in addition

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Speaker 11: to the paid advertising campaign, which the campaign is just dominating.

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Speaker 14: The airs campaign is dominating.

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Speaker 11: You look, one hundred and fifty more million dollars spent

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Speaker 11: since the conventions ended through October fourth. I mean, that's

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Speaker 11: just an onslaught of ads. The Trump campaign would say

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Speaker 11: it's still relatively even despite this spending. So that's maybe

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Speaker 11: a good indication for the Trump campaign. But again, flooding

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Speaker 11: the zone is critically important.

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Speaker 5: Well, so take us to school for a minute, a

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Speaker 5: little clinic with a media consultant. With this massive you

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Speaker 5: talk about flooding the zone. This is a big zone.

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Speaker 5: Four weeks with no debate, there's no other major event left.

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Speaker 5: That's this big thing called October, and it hasn't been

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Speaker 5: very kind on the news front to either campaign. Quite frankly,

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Speaker 5: we're about to witness this massive hurricane slamming into Tampa.

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Speaker 5: Do you just reserve ads across the country and then

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Speaker 5: remove them as needed? Do you focus on the seven

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Speaker 5: swing states? How do you make the decisions when it

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Speaker 5: comes to the closing arguments like that.

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Speaker 14: It's a really good question.

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Speaker 11: I think also too, as we've seen every cycle, right,

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Speaker 11: more states make early voting more available. Yes, back in

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Speaker 11: twenty twenty we had about an eighteen percent leap point

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Speaker 11: leaned right now in terms of the early vote in

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Speaker 11: terms of requests and returns, that's at a twenty five

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Speaker 11: point differential for Democrats.

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Speaker 14: So that's certainly something that the Hairs campaign is looking at.

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Speaker 11: They've also previewed the the idea of maybe doing thirty

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Speaker 11: second infomercials and some of these key states as well,

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Speaker 11: because of that funding advantage that the Hairs campaign just

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Speaker 11: blowing the doors off thirty second nutes, thirty minutes half

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Speaker 11: our advice in some of these broadcast DMAs into your point.

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Speaker 14: The seven key states.

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Speaker 11: You're not going to see that in the Boston media

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Speaker 11: market or anything like that, but in some of these

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Speaker 11: key states where where funding is is what your dollar

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Speaker 11: goes a little bit farther again, we're also bumping up

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Speaker 11: to you know, from a media consultant perspective, we're also

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Speaker 11: bumping up into the holidays too, right, so not just

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Speaker 11: politics driving the cost of advertising higher, but November, you know,

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Speaker 11: late October and November are very expensive, especially on broadcasts

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Speaker 11: in some of these key DMAs.

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Speaker 2: Kevin just reminded me it's prime day todayotentially to do

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Speaker 2: today and tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so much like the holiday season.

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Speaker 2: I'm not even but to your point with early voting,

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Speaker 2: it's also election season. It's no longer just yes, that's

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Speaker 2: right day. As we consider to Joe's point about what

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Speaker 2: has happened already in October, what could happen remaining in

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Speaker 2: this October. It's not just natural disasters, it's man made

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Speaker 2: tragedies as well, including war in the Middle East, specifically

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Speaker 2: in Michigan, with the news flow that we have gotten

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Speaker 2: with intensifying and fighting rather than cooling off. Having just

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Speaker 2: marked one year since October seventh, are you worried that

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Speaker 2: the campaign is not paying adequate attention to the potential

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Speaker 2: votes that could be lost on the Democratic side for

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Speaker 2: those who are opposed to her position or this administration's

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Speaker 2: position on supporting Israel, which she said on the View today,

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Speaker 2: there is no issue that she would have tackled differently.

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Speaker 11: So I'm a Democrat, so I worry about everything, every population,

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Speaker 11: every state up until you know, we're notorious for being badwetters.

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Speaker 11: And I think, you know, to your point, at least

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Speaker 11: Lockin has previewed some of those concerns. She's obviously the

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Speaker 11: Democratic candidate running in that state. Most battleground state polls

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Speaker 11: have the vice president up, but it's within the margin Nevara.

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Speaker 11: But again, you know, to your point, there's a huge

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Speaker 11: issue with Arab American voters that are traditionally in our camp.

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Speaker 11: There's new stories about Korean American voters that were a

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Speaker 11: core element of Joe Biden flipping Georgia for the first

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Speaker 11: time since Bill Clinton.

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Speaker 14: And you're going to see these campaigns.

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Speaker 11: You know that the Hair's campaign has touted three hundred

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Speaker 11: and thirty field offices, twenty four hundred staff. So many

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Speaker 11: of those folks are dispatched to those communities that are

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Speaker 11: a part of those communities as well that aren't new

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Speaker 11: to those areas, and lifting up those voices is going

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Speaker 11: to be critically important.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to throw something actually here with a minute left.

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Speaker 5: It's totally unfair, but there are reports of not only

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Speaker 5: all the way in the Sezo, not only misinformation in

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Speaker 5: western North Carolina, but laying the groundwork in some cases

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Speaker 5: for claims of fraud. They are voting, as you just mentioned,

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Speaker 5: in some of these states that have been hit by

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Speaker 5: massive tropical storms. What is that going to mean at

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Speaker 5: the beginning of November.

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Speaker 14: It's going to be more in certainty. Right.

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Speaker 11: The fact that we're now politicizing disaster response is something

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Speaker 11: a road that we haven't gone down.

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Speaker 14: Before in this country.

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Speaker 11: You know, you see the Trump campaign bringing on recruiting

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Speaker 11: more and more poll watching volunteers as opposed to actually

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Speaker 11: feel people going out and knocking on doors.

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Speaker 14: They just want people at the polls, challenging folks.

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Speaker 6: So this is another reason to contest results.

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Speaker 14: This is a huge reason to contest results.

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Speaker 11: Luckily, I think you know this is not new to

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Speaker 11: both sides, and everyone's gonna be lawyered up certainly. But

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Speaker 11: again it's a problem because people like certainty and we

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Speaker 11: likely won't have that on November fifth.

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Speaker 6: It's great to have you back at the table.

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Speaker 5: Yes with us early the early edition of Ballots of Power,

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