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Speaker 1: And welcome to Thursday's thissition, a Big Blue Kickoff Live

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Speaker 1: six four for more details. Well, it's nice to have you.

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Speaker 1: I feel like we haven't don't want of these shows

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Speaker 1: and quite some time. I don't think it was back

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Speaker 1: to last season was the last time that I think

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Speaker 1: you're right. So it's good to see. As always Lance,

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Speaker 1: you know, obviously a lot to talk about for this

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Speaker 1: Sunday game with the Arizona Cardinals coming in. Indeed, and

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Speaker 1: I do want to get into greater detail with you

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Speaker 1: on the Arizona Cardinals. But David, let's start with the

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Speaker 1: injury report. So the Giants latest injury report is the

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Speaker 1: following full practice today for Sa Kwon Barkley, Evan Ingram,

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Speaker 1: Wayne Goldman, and Olson, Pierre Limited, Sterling Shepherd and did

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Speaker 1: not practice. Corey Ballentine, he's in concussion protocol. Sa Kwan's

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Speaker 1: actually talking to the media as we speak, and he

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Speaker 1: just said, quote, I feel good, still taking a day

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Speaker 1: by day. He doesn't feel pain when he is running

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Speaker 1: and cutting, according to what he told the media. So

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Speaker 1: it seems as if all signs day are pointing in

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Speaker 1: the right direction, specifically for Sae Kwon Barkley as well

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Speaker 1: as Evan ing It definitely does, and that's a huge

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Speaker 1: component for this second half push for this football team,

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Speaker 1: especially with Daniel Jones basically playing throughout his starting career

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Speaker 1: as the quarterback of the New York Giants without Sae

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Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley. I mean, figure, it was only a quarter

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Speaker 1: and at that point you knew that the Tampa Bay

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Speaker 1: Buccaneers were loading up the box and saying we're not

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Speaker 1: letting Sae Kwon Barkley beat us, just like they did

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Speaker 1: the week before up against Christian McCaffrey. So it's an

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Speaker 1: exciting sign to have se Kuan out there full participation

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Speaker 1: Evan Ingram, which we know there Zona Cardinals had struggled

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Speaker 1: covering opposing tight ends, and to have Wayne Goldman back

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Speaker 1: is a huge addition. For this football roster moving forward,

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Speaker 1: and like I said, to make a push and get

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Speaker 1: that cohesion of what this offense can truly be. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought up the tight end struggles. The numbers,

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Speaker 1: Boy do they jump off the page. They do. Austin

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Speaker 1: the Falcons had eight catches touchdown will dis Lee before

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Speaker 1: saying this is a very attractive matchup for me to

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Speaker 1: be getting back out on the field, no question. But

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Speaker 1: the one thing that you know that the Arizona Cardinals

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Speaker 1: And what that is going to allow their defense in

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Speaker 1: their second theory to do. They've been relying on Byron Murphy,

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Speaker 1: the crafty veteran to try to do things to diversify

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Speaker 1: And I almost feel as if this Arizona defense is

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Speaker 1: somewhat overlooked the personnel. They've lost Dave. But you know,

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Speaker 1: And you know, they've really kept the news with respect

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Speaker 1: that college mindset where they're gonna spread you out and

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Speaker 1: they're gonna try to run some misdirection catch off guard

433
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Speaker 1: with the zone reads, whether it be David Johnson or

434
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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray running with it. He got to keep close

435
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Speaker 1: tabs on who has the ball at all times. Let's

436
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Speaker 1: head back to the phone lines. Travis isn't Queens and

437
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Speaker 1: he joins us on Big Blue Kickoff Live. What's happened

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Speaker 1: to Travis? Good? What's up? Travis? What can we help

439
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Speaker 1: you with my man? I gotta let me because a

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Speaker 1: n to you guys, Would you guys do a trade

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Speaker 1: to get von Miller for two second round pick all that?

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Speaker 1: M hmm, two second round picks for von Miller? I

443
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Speaker 1: would certainly consider that heavily. I don't think that the

444
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Speaker 1: Denver Broncos would settle for that. If you want to

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Speaker 1: play out this hypothetical, considering how von Miller has been

446
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Speaker 1: so productive, you say von Miller for two second round picks? Yes,

447
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Speaker 1: so I will certainly be listening to that. What would

448
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Speaker 1: you would you take it? Would you do it? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would pull the trigger on that as long as

450
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Speaker 1: health wise he checks out and there's no concerns and

451
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Speaker 1: nothing pops up that I didn't know about. I would

452
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Speaker 1: give up two second round picks for von Miller, absolutely, yeah,

453
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Speaker 1: because the first if we give up let's say hypothetic

454
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Speaker 1: wealth first, that'd be too much things. Right, Well, I

455
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Speaker 1: think if I'm Denver, I want to first. Yet, because

456
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Speaker 1: you have a proven commodity, and you could say to

457
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Speaker 1: the other team, won't take your gamble on one of

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Speaker 1: the past. First is coming out when we know what

459
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Speaker 1: we have sitting right in front of you, correct or

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Speaker 1: take the prove it coming. But because I'll let me go,

461
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Speaker 1: I said two. Secondly, because like like in a situation

462
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Speaker 1: like that, let's say hypothetically they want to do a

463
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Speaker 1: move like that and his contract is up next year,

464
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Speaker 1: we would just have to pay him correct whatever whatever

465
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Speaker 1: that is, right, Yeah, you just take over the contract, yes, okay.

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Speaker 1: And my second point is um on my second players,

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Speaker 1: like with Dexter Lawrence, right, like I don't know the

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Speaker 1: percentage w but I would like to see him play

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Speaker 1: more of the nose and then I'll be seeing him

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Speaker 1: on the outside a lot, which is cool. I don't

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Speaker 1: mind it, but I think when he's on the outside

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Speaker 1: it affects Thomlinson and b J. Hill more so, Like

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Speaker 1: I remember, I think that's the one thing about all

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Speaker 1: of them is that they've played all the spots on

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Speaker 1: the defense. You've seen them interchange and move, and a

476
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Speaker 1: lot of times they do it for matchup purposes. You know,

477
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Speaker 1: one player is better up against another player, like for example,

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Speaker 1: putting b J. Hill in a certain position over Dexter

479
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Speaker 1: Lawrence because of b J Hill's compact leverage and how

480
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Speaker 1: low he is. Maybe you're going up against the guard

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Speaker 1: on the other side or a center that doesn't do

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Speaker 1: good with getting leverage and getting movement at the point

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Speaker 1: of attack. So you'd rather have a smaller compact guy

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Speaker 1: to hold off those double teams and Dexter Laurans who

485
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Speaker 1: can push that guard into the backfield. So it all

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Speaker 1: depends on the matchups that you're looking at, Okay, because

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Speaker 1: because because that's a good point. Because uh, looking looking

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Speaker 1: at it from my standpoint, it seemed as if like

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Speaker 1: once they put like I don't I don't remember what

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Speaker 1: down it was against the Patriots. I've seen him. I've

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Speaker 1: seen dexter Lawrence on the outside, and I think I

492
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Speaker 1: think there was like close like like on the tent

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Speaker 1: and they got pushed out the middle. And I was saying,

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Speaker 1: like that, I wish dexter Lawrence because you know, sometimes

495
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Speaker 1: you know, analytical purpose, it's hard to like, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, like like I give it. You're saying,

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Speaker 1: is that sounds you're saying more of us? Yeah? Yes,

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Speaker 1: But but I think I think that's the Lawrence, like

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Speaker 1: like he's good. I like them all around, Like how

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Speaker 1: do you move them? Like last year day Hill, you

501
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Speaker 1: know he came on strong, was getting picked so late,

502
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Speaker 1: and you know he's quiet somewhat, but like you said,

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Speaker 1: now on the top the imp is made. Yeah, those

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Speaker 1: things don't show up. Plus remember b J Hill last

505
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Speaker 1: year I had three of his five and a half

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Speaker 1: sacks in one game too. Just keep that in mind,

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Speaker 1: you know that that was a big part that that

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Speaker 1: people tend to forget. By the way, Travis, are you

509
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Speaker 1: in the car It sounds like you're turning on. I

510
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Speaker 1: was waiting for you to make the turn here. I'm like,

511
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Speaker 1: are you driving straighter? You're you're waiting to make a

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Speaker 1: turn on the road here, you're killing me. Jeez, let

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Speaker 1: me all right, Well you stay focused on the road.

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Speaker 1: That's much more important that I was Travis. Yeah, I

515
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Speaker 1: couldn't tell is that the window wipe is is he

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Speaker 1: turning and it's not something to be on that apparently,

517
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Speaker 1: but he's holding up traffic in the process for us

518
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Speaker 1: in the background, so apparently it was Okay, that's good news. Yes, right.

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Speaker 1: We love it when they can multitask, when they call

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Speaker 1: up B B K and they can keep their eyes

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Speaker 1: on the road. So I commend Travis. He gets extra

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Speaker 1: brownie points for that. But he was talking about b J.

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Speaker 1: Hill and what we were talking about Dexter Lawrence, and yeah,

524
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Speaker 1: you just can't judge a lot of these defensive lineman

525
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Speaker 1: when you whip out the stats over the course of

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Speaker 1: six games and you're like, well, why doesn't this guy

527
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Speaker 1: have a lot of tackles and sacks. It's partially because

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Speaker 1: he's opening things up for the rest of the defense

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Speaker 1: and the rest of the personnelity and a lot of

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Speaker 1: times schematically, like I was saying, for those matchups, sometimes

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Speaker 1: you'll go into a game, okay, defensive tackle for this one.

532
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Speaker 1: The scheme that they're running offensively if it's more power,

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Speaker 1: hold up and let your linebackers run if they're running

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Speaker 1: more zone things. The one thing that kills zone plays

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Speaker 1: is penetration into the backfield by a d tackle That

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Speaker 1: gets the guards are centers an offensive lineman off level,

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Speaker 1: and one first thing that a running back sees is

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Speaker 1: one to see his color front side. His immediate instinct

539
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Speaker 1: is to jump outside to where the flow of the

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Speaker 1: defense is coming from. So a lot of times you

541
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Speaker 1: change up the way that you're trying to scheme up

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Speaker 1: against an offensive line, not only in the way that

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Speaker 1: you're playing, but in the way that you're moving your

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Speaker 1: pieces around to create those matchups that are favorable for

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Speaker 1: you on the defensive side of the ball, and then

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Speaker 1: based on how they react, that will determine when they're

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Speaker 1: adjust from tweaks throughout the course of the contest. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: Lance Meado, David, deal with you here on Thursday's day,

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Speaker 1: should a big blue kioff Livelt's head back to the line.

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Speaker 1: Scott is in New Mexico. Scott, welcome aboard. What do

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Speaker 1: you got for us guys? How you doing today? Great? Scott?

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Speaker 1: We'll tell your mind. Have a philosophical question that a

553
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Speaker 1: technical one. The philosophical question is this, Uh, despite protestations

554
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Speaker 1: by everyone, the Giants are going into the meat of

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Speaker 1: the season, but they're a game out of first place,

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Speaker 1: and they're going into a critical game with Arizona, which

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Speaker 1: hopefully theyn't win. Doude, do you know the Giant players

558
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Speaker 1: really well and you're both around them? Does it create

559
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 1: undo pressure? Do you think there's an extra incentive knowing

560
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Speaker 1: that they're in the race, they have a chance at

561
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Speaker 1: the playoffs, whether and it's too soon to talk, I

562
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Speaker 1: realized that, but going into a game like Arizona to Zette,

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Speaker 1: do they have that in the back of the minor

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Speaker 1: can they be singular purpose and say, this is a

565
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Speaker 1: game in front of us, we have to win it

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Speaker 1: despite what the records are going to be. And I

567
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Speaker 1: was just curious from the players. The second also from

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Speaker 1: you know, an analyst perspective, What do you think is

569
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Speaker 1: going on with the Giants in regards to that? I

570
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Speaker 1: was just curious. Obviously, when you still are in contention

571
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Speaker 1: to win the division, it is an exciting factor for

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Speaker 1: you as a football team because coming into the season,

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Speaker 1: your overall goal is to win the Super Bowl, but

574
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Speaker 1: your next secondary goal immediately is to win the division

575
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Speaker 1: because that's the only thing that's gonna guarantee you a

576
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Speaker 1: spot in the playoffs. So it does give you motivation

577
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Speaker 1: that you're still in the hunt. You're still in the race.

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Speaker 1: But having said that, you know, each and every game

579
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Speaker 1: that you step out there on Sunday, Mondays or Thursdays

580
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: like last week, those games are just as important as

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Speaker 1: the division games down the road, because number one, you

582
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Speaker 1: don't want to ever bank on somebody else to do

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Speaker 1: your dirty work for you. You don't want to be

584
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Speaker 1: at the end of the season thinking, Okay, we gotta win,

585
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: this team's gotta lose, this team's gotta win. You want

586
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: to control your own destiny. And for this football team,

587
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: I can definitely tell you they're taking it week by week.

588
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: They are not looking forward to anything ahead of what

589
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: this Arizona game is, and they've learned from the past

590
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: because that's the only way that you can approach the

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Speaker 1: season well. And related to what Dave just said, Scott,

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Speaker 1: I don't think this game is of that much more

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Speaker 1: importance than what the Thursday game was because remember, but

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Speaker 1: keep in mind they were and this is why I

595
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 1: don't understand why everybody's focusing so much on the standings

596
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 1: this week. Remember going into the Thursday, it was the

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00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 1: same thing. It's the same thing they were one game

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Speaker 1: back in the Cowboys of the Eagles. So if they

599
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: would have beatn New England and then all of a

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Speaker 1: sudden Dallas and the Philadelphi Eagles wind up losing, they

601
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: would have been tied for first. The importance the motivation

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Speaker 1: going into this game, to me is no different than

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Speaker 1: how they should have looked upon Thursday's game, because it

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Speaker 1: was difference. Yeah, yeah, my my last point. Now I'll

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00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: take it off to your guys. Uh. It goes to

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00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 1: the situation with Daniel Jones in regards to holding the

607
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: ball a little too long. I was wondering, from an

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Speaker 1: offensive scheme or even from the offensive lines tactics, are

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Speaker 1: the Giants looking to do something different against Arizona, which

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Speaker 1: has the two great addressers. I was wondering if Pat

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Speaker 1: Trimmer or even the offensive lineman amongst themselves are talking

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Speaker 1: about a different way to sort of compensate a little

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Speaker 1: bit so that if he does hold the ball longer

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Speaker 1: to try to find a receiver. Uh, you know, they

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Speaker 1: can provide the time that's necessary to do that, and

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Speaker 1: I'll take your answers off to your guys. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Number one. You know that as an offensive lineman, the

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00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: thing that helps you in your past protection it's running

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Speaker 1: the football effectively. When you look back at the New

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Speaker 1: England game, it was sixteen for fifty two yards rushing

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Speaker 1: and three point three a carry. That's not putting you

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Speaker 1: in a position to succeed. When you can run play

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Speaker 1: action off of your run game and you're in third

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Speaker 1: and manageables, you get to dictate the tempo of the

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00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: football game compared to when you're down you don't have

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Speaker 1: an effective run game. You're playing behind the chains and

627
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: you're kicking and you're setting back each and every play.

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00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: That is when a defensive end and a d tackle

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Speaker 1: all they're doing is pinning their ears back and playing

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Speaker 1: the run on the way to the quarterback because they've

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00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: made you one dimensional. That's the one thing that's exciting

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Speaker 1: about hopefully having se Kwon back this this game is

633
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: if they can get a run game going, and if

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00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: they can try to hit the perimeters to spread out

635
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: this defense, it's only going to help Daniel Jones get

636
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,959
Speaker 1: rid of the ball quicker more efficiently. And open up

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Speaker 1: things in the passing game. While and related to what

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00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: you're just pointing out with respect to playing with the

639
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: lead and now all of a sudden you have more balance.

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Speaker 1: It's no coincidence, Dave, that the Cardinals during their two

641
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: game winning streak, they were involved now in back to

642
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: back games where they were playing with the lead. Remember

643
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: they jumped down in front of Atlanta and they had

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00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: to lead on Cincinnati too before the Bengals came back

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Speaker 1: and made things interesting. So that's no surprise that Kyler

646
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Speaker 1: Murray has been running a little bit more. David Johnson

647
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Speaker 1: has been involved on many different fronts because to your point,

648
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Speaker 1: it completely changes what you can do on offense when

649
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Speaker 1: you're not playing catch up, which unfortunately the Giants have

650
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Speaker 1: had to do in each of the last two And

651
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Speaker 1: when you're playing catch up, what's the thing, You're not

652
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Speaker 1: worried about time of possession. You're worried about scoring points

653
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Speaker 1: and putting points on the board, and you're not so

654
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Speaker 1: concerned about time of possession to where when you have

655
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Speaker 1: the lead in the game, you want to bleed that

656
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Speaker 1: clock dry and you want to own that defense. So

657
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Speaker 1: in the third and fourth quarter, those runs that may

658
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Speaker 1: only two, three or four yards in the first and

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Speaker 1: second quarter. Now are breaking for ten and eleven, twelve,

660
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Speaker 1: and you start imposing your will on the opposing defense. Yeah,

661
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Speaker 1: when you're up, the clock is not your enemy. You're down.

662
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: Not only you're playing the opponent, you're playing the clock,

663
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Speaker 1: and you're playing in your word about all your time

664
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Speaker 1: out situation? How far you gotta push the football downfield?

665
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 1: Do we need to get it to the boundary, to

666
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Speaker 1: the sidelines. There's so much that goes into it. When

667
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Speaker 1: you are playing from behind, game management completely changes. It's

668
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Speaker 1: not the windows. Let's add back to the phone lines.

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Speaker 1: Jason is in Maine. He joins us here on Big

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Speaker 1: Blue Kick Off Live. What's happened Jason, Hey guys, not much.

671
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Speaker 1: How about you guys doing very well? Well, we'll tell

672
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Speaker 1: your mind. Good. Um, the color before you are before

673
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Speaker 1: me pretty much took my question. So Scott and I

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Speaker 1: have one for Lance M. David. I'm just wondering, Um,

675
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: when when you're in a game and you're on the

676
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Speaker 1: road and the other team has a laundable manum, we

677
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Speaker 1: know how loud the crowd can get. What did you

678
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Speaker 1: and the other lineman and Eli how did you guys

679
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Speaker 1: communicate with the crowd is just roaring and you may

680
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Speaker 1: not even be able to hear eli, you know, in

681
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Speaker 1: shotgun or whatever. Was there a special way you guys communicated. Yeah,

682
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Speaker 1: we would. Number one, when we'd be going to a

683
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Speaker 1: loud place, a lot of times we'd hold one practice

684
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Speaker 1: indoors to where they'd have enough speakers for a freaking

685
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: kiss concert out there, to where you have a headache

686
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: coming off of the practice field. Because then what does

687
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: it teach you? It teaches you when the crowd noise

688
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: gets up, you've got a non verbally communicate with each other.

689
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: We'd give hand signals, we lean in, and we do things.

690
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Speaker 1: And that's one of the reasons why when we became

691
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Speaker 1: a veteran offensive line and grew together, why we were

692
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Speaker 1: able to win so many games on the road and

693
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Speaker 1: oh seven plus, is because we had that continuity and

694
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Speaker 1: we could communicate without you know, having to punch each

695
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: other all this stuff that goes on before the play

696
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Speaker 1: to get the calls out. So I think that's something

697
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Speaker 1: that you definitely practice. But the more continuity you have,

698
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Speaker 1: like I did with rich Soyber, we could just have

699
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Speaker 1: a look and we didn't even have to say anything

700
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: because we watched film together, we practiced all week together,

701
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Speaker 1: and we knew what each one of each other we're

702
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: thinking and gonna do. And that comes with to your

703
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: point experience and there each one another and being on

704
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: the field getting all those reps together. As opposed to

705
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Speaker 1: a younger offensive line with a veteran, maybe they haven't

706
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Speaker 1: built that same time because people have asked. You know,

707
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Speaker 1: when you go to like a Seattle or a Kansas

708
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Speaker 1: City where we've played literally lance, it could be third

709
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Speaker 1: down during we're not even at the line of score

710
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Speaker 1: the jet. You and I could be screaming at each

711
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Speaker 1: other and I couldn't hear words you were saying. Doesn't

712
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Speaker 1: surprise me, no, So that's why you snapped the tight end,

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Speaker 1: get in real tight with the huddle so you could

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Speaker 1: hear eli. And then you would have to change up

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Speaker 1: your silent snap count. Sometimes you do a silent one,

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Speaker 1: silent one, hole, silent two. You would try different things

717
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Speaker 1: to change the cadence so they wouldn't get that split

718
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: second beat off of the snap. It's creating a new language. Basic, Yeah,

719
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Speaker 1: that's what it is. That's how you have to communicate

720
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: that sounds complicated. It is, and it takes a lot

721
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Speaker 1: of practice of it. Yeah, Lance, I just I'll just

722
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Speaker 1: get out on this. I I missed the first part

723
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Speaker 1: of the show and I was just wondering if you

724
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Speaker 1: could update us on Gallman and Barkley and Shepherd, Oval Tree,

725
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: injury report and Jason, and thanks for appreciate the phone call. Yeah,

726
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Speaker 1: off the top, we went through the injury report, but

727
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: let's run you through it. The good news is Sae Kwon,

728
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: Barkley and Evan Ingram went through another full practice, so

729
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: that's extremely encouraging for the Giants. The remainder of the

730
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Speaker 1: injury report, Wayne Goldman, Olson p are also full practices.

731
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Speaker 1: Both of those guys, remember also in concussion protocol limited

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Speaker 1: with Sterling Shepherd and not practicing. Corey Ballantine he is

733
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Speaker 1: in concussion protocol, So Barkley and Evan Angraham certainly heading

734
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Speaker 1: in the right direction. Goldman, I would say as well,

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Speaker 1: given the fact that he got into full practice and

736
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Speaker 1: old Saint Pierre, it's it's good to see the fact

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Speaker 1: that more guys are full as opposed to limited, which

738
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Speaker 1: we had seen going back to last week on that

739
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Speaker 1: short turnaround perfect two zero one five one three is

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Speaker 1: the telephone number. Hashtag giants Chat. Before we head back

741
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Speaker 1: to the phone lines, I want to mix some tweets

742
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Speaker 1: Dave yet and there are a number of tweets directed

743
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Speaker 1: specifically to you because of your experience on the offensive line.

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Speaker 1: So this comes from Mike at meet for David. Can

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00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: you speak to the sophomore season for Will Hernandez whether

746
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: or not he's making improvements. He seems to be getting

747
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: the most calls for holding and hold so don't see

748
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: the holes, excuse me, don't seem the same as they

749
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: are on the left side as they are on the right.

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Speaker 1: I think he's definitely improved. I think he's gotten more

751
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: efficient with this technique, especially in the passing game. And

752
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: a lot of times, if you go back and you

753
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: look at some of those holding calls, that's when the

754
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: referees in the NFL we're putting an emphasis on offensive holding.

755
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: Because two of the ones that he was called for

756
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: were complete nonsense. I can say that, and I'm not

757
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,439
Speaker 1: saying because I'm a former offensive lineman and I don't

758
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: believe that whole thing really takes place. I'm just saying

759
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: that because I know why I went back and I

760
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: watched film on him. I think he's making progress. I

761
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: think it's getting better. But we know that he plays

762
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Speaker 1: his best football when their road grading people in the

763
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: running the football effectively, which we've seen. When you're up

764
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: and down in that department. It doesn't bode well for

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00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: anybody on any offensive line when you're playing from behind

766
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: and you're playing catchup and almost start like in a

767
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 1: two minute drill in the second half. I brought up

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Speaker 1: the penalty breakdown. So far this season, Hernandez has two

769
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Speaker 1: accepted penalties against him Ramors, he's in the team lead.

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Speaker 1: He has four, and Golden and Jenkins have re apiece.

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Speaker 1: And that's Marcus Golden who are referring to, Like I said,

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00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: two of those will Hernande's ones should be taken out.

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously they are a penalty there, but I'm saying,

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00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: going back and watching film there, they were a joke. Well,

775
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: and those are the types of plays as you can

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Speaker 1: mention where you go back in the film room, you

777
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: listen to your coaches if your feedback, and I'm sure

778
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: the coaches feel the same way. Yeah, in terms of

779
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: not necessarily getting hard on him because of that, and

780
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: then usually your team will send in the letter to

781
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: the NFL officials and then you'll get on here. Yeah,

782
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: it wasn't. It wasn't a holding calling that should have

783
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: been called, and that's all that happened, and then you

784
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: can get better. I've been coned, but not really, not really,

785
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: because it won't reflect on the box score and it

786
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: won't be taking off my record no during the course

787
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: of the season, So it's almost like it's a catch

788
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Speaker 1: twenty two. Not only that, on the time the fans

789
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: at home are screaming and throwing things in the television.

790
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: That's right, yes, damn offensive lineman holding again, Moon and everything.

791
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: It's not as if the league memo then gets circulated

792
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: to the fan base to vindicate you. Right, so will heard,

793
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: and this still has those two holding penalties against the

794
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: even though maybe the league told him, hey, exactly, it's

795
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: not necessarily against you. All right, This is coming from

796
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: Jack at Jack Clemkey. How do you think Generas Jenkins

797
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: will fair pair it up against Larry Fitzgerald. He has

798
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: struggled against tall whiteouts in the past, most notably against

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00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: Mike Evans and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers this season. I

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Speaker 1: think you just have to be sound with your fundamentals

801
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: and your technique. This isn't a player that is a

802
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 1: veteran route runner in a Hall of Fame caliber player

803
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: for no reason. His precision, his ability to sell certain

804
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: routes on certain route combinations with the what they have,

805
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 1: you know, schematically, whether it's a three by one or

806
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: two by two, His ability to move inside and be

807
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: versatile and play all the different spots, and the fact

808
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: that he pretty much catches everything that's thrown in his direction.

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00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: It's incredible. So these are the ones that you have

810
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: to trust your eyes, trust your fundamentals and techniques, and

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Speaker 1: a lot of times it's pinpointing one spot on a

812
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: wide receiver that's gonna guide you to where he's running

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00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 1: his route, and not very off of that. A lot

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00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: of times, you know, a lot of players get caught

815
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Speaker 1: at looking at the opposing wide receiver in the eyes.

816
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: But the good ones, the veteran ones, don't sell it.

817
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: They're looking straight down field and their eyes don't give

818
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: away where they're going. Much like Terrell Sugs, Larry Fitzgerald

819
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: still finds a way to get it done. Yeah, like

820
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 1: a fine wine, he just continues to get better with age,

821
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: fifty two targets leads the team, thirty five receptions leads

822
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Speaker 1: the team. Four hundred twenty seven yards leads the team.

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Speaker 1: He's seconded receiving touchdowns. He's still making consistent plays. As

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00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 1: you mentioned, Dave, they move him around, so that makes

825
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: him that much more elusive and that much more versatile.

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Speaker 1: And you know, even without Christian Kirk, you know he

827
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: still has to be factored into the game plant because

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Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that they're going to outlook to spread

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Speaker 1: the wealth. They're still going to lean on Larry Fitzgerald.

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Speaker 1: He's that great security plank for a young quarterback. He

831
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: may not have the speed that Christian Kirk has, but

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00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 1: he knows how to get hoping. He knows how to

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00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: find holes and defenses, and like I was saying, he

834
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:00,720
Speaker 1: is a professional precision route runner that that young quarterback

835
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Speaker 1: and Kylie Murray can rely on to be at the

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Speaker 1: exact spot he is supposed to be every single time.

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Speaker 1: And when you have that, that's why you can rely

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Speaker 1: on him, and that's why he's had the type of

839
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 1: career that he's had. Fitzgerald, David Johnson, and Chase Edmonds.

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00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: To me, if you were to ask who the key

841
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: players that the Giants defense needs to focus on. Those

842
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 1: are the three that come to mind. They have a

843
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 1: number of other young wide receivers who they groom in

844
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,720
Speaker 1: Keyshawn Johnson, Trent Surfield, and these guys have made plays.

845
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: Their numbers don't necessarily jump off the page. But the

846
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: two running backs, Kyler Murray as well as Larry Fitzgerald,

847
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: those are the main weapons when you focus on the

848
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. Will get back to your tweets as we

849
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: move along, but right now, let's head back to the

850
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Speaker 1: phone lines. Joe is in Pennsylvania here on Big Blue

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00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: Kickoff Live. What's happened to Joe? Hey? Uh? I was

852
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: just I was just wondering here between us and the Cardinals.

853
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: I guess whoever wins this game here would still really

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00:39:55,719 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: think of playoff hope, And I was just uh thinking

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00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: too if stay we would whoever loses it, well especially us,

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Speaker 1: you know, if we would, then they would possibly think

857
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: to unload some of our players like last year like Snacks,

858
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: and or buy somebody to help us. What do you

859
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 1: think of that? I mean, that's something that you're always

860
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: looking to do. I mean, you're always looking to bolster

861
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: your roster and make it the best fifty three man

862
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: you can. But having said that, whether this game is

863
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 1: a win or a loss, I don't think that you're

864
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: gonna go and completely dump your roster and try to

865
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: turn over again like they have over the last two

866
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: years from where they were when Dave Guteman and Pat

867
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: Shermer took over till now. I always tell this story,

868
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: two thousand and three was my rookie year. It was

869
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: the last year Jim Fossil, so figure fifty three man roster.

870
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: Tom Coughlan comes in in two thousand and four and

871
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: takes over. By two thousand and five, there were thirteen

872
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: of us left from the OH. Three roster on the OH.

873
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: Five roster. That was it. The turnover happened. And I

874
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: think when you've already started to see the changes in

875
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,439
Speaker 1: the locker room and the team camaraderie that this team has,

876
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: I don't think you're looking to replace as many pieces

877
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: as people think. And the good thing is is that

878
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: not only this season, but what you can look forward

879
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: to his next season knowing that you have draft picks

880
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: and you're almost gonna have a hundred million dollars in

881
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: salary cap Well. I think you bring up a great point, Dave,

882
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 1: about the turnover that's already been accomplished on this roster,

883
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: nowhere near the position that the Giants were at this

884
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: time last you think about that, since then, they've had

885
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,959
Speaker 1: another draft class, you've had another free agency period. Here's

886
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: the other thing that you need to take the consideration.

887
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: Part of the reason why they made some of those

888
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: trades last year was because they had young guys who

889
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: weren't getting nearly as much playtime, Dave, Right behind Snacks,

890
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: they want the Dalvin, Tomlins and bj to get an

891
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: opportunity and moving on from Eli Apple some of the

892
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: other corners. Now, you could argue, well, there's a lot

893
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: of young corners that maybe they want to give opportunities to,

894
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 1: but I also think having a veteran like Jenkins to

895
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: compliment that youth, he's still extremely important. I mean, that's

896
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why they brought in Antoine Bathet

897
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: is for that reason. Yes, he isn't the same player

898
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: that he was five six years ago, but his understanding

899
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: and leadership of this defense and this style of defense,

900
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: you could see it rub off on the rest of

901
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: the secondary and their improvements that they're making, not only individually,

902
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: but in the scheme that they're overall playing. And you know,

903
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 1: going back to that, remember the outrage of snacks Harrison,

904
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: how can we trade him? Well, you guys all know

905
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: that he set out this entire off season because he

906
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: wanted a new deal with sixteen millions still on it.

907
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: That's something that we would have dealt with if we

908
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: would have hung on and kept them this year when

909
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: you can continue to build your roster like they have

910
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,919
Speaker 1: through the draft and through free agency. Yeah, the economics

911
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: always are to determine whether or not you want to

912
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: move on from a player. Also, Genera's Jenkins is not

913
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: on an expiring contract. I feel as if the way

914
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: people focus on that is if you'd be benefiting by

915
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,439
Speaker 1: giving him up to a team that then would shed

916
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: his contract. Jenkins still is under contracts thousand twenty. He's

917
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: not a free agent til two thousand twenty one, so

918
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: you still have him under control for two thousand twenty,

919
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: and then you'd have to deal with whether or not

920
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: you'd want to bring him back. So it's not like

921
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 1: an expiring contract, which maybe makes a player a little

922
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:20,240
Speaker 1: bit more attractive to part ways with. What about ogle

923
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: Tree mans to see here next year under contract Ogil

924
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: Tree's contract. Let's see, he was signed to a five

925
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: year deal in two thousand seventeen. So yeah, he's gonna

926
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: definitely be under contract for next year. Okay, I see, David,

927
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: we're playing one of our old offensive linemen. We're gonna

928
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: be playing against Pew there. You know. So the only

929
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 1: other thing I wanted to say, I got to bring

930
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: up there. You're just talking about holding when they did

931
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: night uh uh? What's his name there? That holding call

932
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: at the end there where he was being mugged. Defensive

933
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 1: take when he was being hold and we challenge that.

934
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: I wanted our defensive coach there. They hit their receivers

935
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: and just hold them there. I didn't care. It's almost

936
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: like hockey down by four, start of war. Let's just

937
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: start attacking people. It also reminds me of the phrase

938
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 1: two wrongs don't make a right type of thing here too.

939
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, when when they can review these plays,

940
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: That's that's what gets me the most, you know what

941
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: I mean? Yeah, we hear you. It's it's it's frustrated,

942
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: all right, Joe, appreciate the phone call. Thanks so much

943
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: for weighing in, and I get the frustration, but you know, this,

944
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: to me is further evidence, Dave, and I don't want

945
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: to go off on a whole tangent, and you and

946
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: I certainly please do NFL Radio all the time, but

947
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: it's the overreaction to what happened in the NFC Championship

948
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: game that opened up Pandora's box. And you had the

949
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 1: competition committee make the recommendation. And keep this in mind,

950
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: because this is important. This was totally implicated because the

951
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: coaches made the push to the owners. Okay, but the

952
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: owners implemented it's on a one year trial basis, so

953
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: they at the end of this year can turn around

954
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: and say it's over. We're not bringing it back for

955
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: the following year. This was not a permanent rule that

956
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: was put into place, and I think based on the

957
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: results that we're seeing, this is just my personal opinion.

958
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I have any intel on that front.

959
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 1: I'd be very surprised, Dave if this is brought back

960
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: next season. I'd be beyond shocked if it was brought

961
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: back lass next season. And the thing you realize, and

962
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: the thing that's tough for everybody watching these games, is

963
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 1: that whenever a big play happens, you're automatic enthusiasm isn't

964
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 1: there because the first thing you look is their flag?

965
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: Is there a flag? It's changed the way that we've

966
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: all watched games because of the amount of rules, because

967
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: of the inaccuracy of it, and the fact that we

968
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: don't even know what a real rule is anymore. Is

969
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: that a p I? Is it not a p I?

970
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: How can you not call that? It just brings in

971
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: that aspect of it that you don't want when you're

972
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: watching a game. Well, and what also complicates matters. I

973
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: think this is what maybe confuses fans a little. They

974
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: don't throw a flag, so a coach wants to review

975
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: the play, and then you go back, you see the

976
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: replay and it was maybe a legal contact as opposed

977
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: to pass. A legal contact can't be overturned based on

978
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: replay or implemented based on replay. So you're seeing it

979
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: the evidence is overwhelming, but the rule book doesn't allow you.

980
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 1: So that is also another wrinkle in the mix that

981
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 1: I'm sure has infuriated fans because you're like, wait a minute,

982
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: the technology allows me to look at it, but they

983
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: can't call it because the rule book doesn't give them

984
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: the opportunity to do that. So once again, I feel better, Yes,

985
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 1: I I feel a little bit better that I got

986
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,720
Speaker 1: off my chest. Maybe provide a little bit more clarification.

987
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: But you have to understand moving forward, things are not

988
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: going to dramatically change. So if you're a team, the

989
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: best thing that can happen to you is the call

990
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: is made on the field. Because when the call is

991
00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: not made, good luck. All of a sudden throw the

992
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: flag after looking at the retlay. They're just not gonna

993
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: do it. All right, let's gait back to the phone lines.

994
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: Let's to David deal with you here on Thursday's Day

995
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: and the big blue Kioff live Ian is in Massachusetts.

996
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 1: What do you guy for us? He in? Yes are

997
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:19,439
Speaker 1: you doing? Guys? Yea, yes are you doing? You want

998
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: to talk about the defense, um giant defense, the defense overall, um,

999
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: the defensive back and stuff like that. I don't saying.

1000
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: These guys wen go to make a tackle. They go

1001
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: for these big hits and they're don't wrap up. You

1002
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 1: know sometime they running back the coming they're going full speed.

1003
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: The guys going to go to make these big hits

1004
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: and the bound start off right off, you know they're

1005
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: running back. I mean like in middle league, they'll tell

1006
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: you if we hit you, wrap up, make make sure

1007
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: you make a tackle. These guys are making millions and

1008
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: they're still do not know how to make a full tackle.

1009
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: It's full straining some time, especially they played against When

1010
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: they played against the um Minnesota, that tackling was no good.

1011
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: Sixteen miss tackles. Tackles, yeah, yeah, you know it's too

1012
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: men in the tackles. That's when when you play against

1013
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 1: the Patriots, it was much better. I guess they had

1014
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 1: to talk in the locker room whatever. To play against

1015
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: the Patriots. It always you know, it was actually much better,

1016
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 1: you know. And I have to say, um, Daniel Jones,

1017
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: I was I wasn't a big fan of Dana Jones

1018
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: because you know, nobody heard of Dana Jones and he

1019
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: got drifting. I didn't. Nobody did. And I see potential

1020
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: in him. I definitely see potential. The only thing the

1021
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: only thing Danna Jone needs to work on is to

1022
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 1: get that clock pick in his head. Went to throw

1023
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 1: the ball, and sometimes you throw too much in sight

1024
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: coverage and he has to work in that stuff. And

1025
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: other than that, I mean, I have hope, but the

1026
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 1: Giants team, you know, moving forward from here here on.

1027
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 1: You know, I always do. I'm pol Giants fans in Massachusetts.

1028
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: You know how it is, you know, Yeah, it's all right.

1029
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: Appreciate the phone calling, Thanks so much for waying. Well,

1030
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: that's one of the trades country. Yeah. Well, that's one

1031
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 1: of the good things that with this ten day till

1032
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: the following game that Daniel Jones has to self evaluate.

1033
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: He had time to go back to the Tampa Bay game,

1034
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: the Washington game, the Minnesota game, and this past New

1035
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: England game and start working on those things that he

1036
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: needs to improve on. Obviously number one, the turnovers is

1037
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 1: the first thing, but too that ticking clock in his head,

1038
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: knowing that he has to get rid of the football

1039
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: more effectively and efficiently. But that also goes hand in

1040
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: hand with where are you at in that game, what's

1041
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: the score of that game, and how well you're running

1042
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 1: the football, Because if you're not running the football well

1043
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: and you're behind in the game, that clock's going a

1044
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: little bit longer because you feel like you have to

1045
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: make that play. You have to make that play. That's

1046
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: a good point because you want to ignite the offense.

1047
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:39,919
Speaker 1: You want to make something happen. You know that it's

1048
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: on you guys to do something. And that's something that sometimes, unfortunately,

1049
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 1: especially for younger players, they play outside of themselves, trying

1050
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: to overcompensate. Well, and I think what you're spelling out

1051
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,760
Speaker 1: is perfectly demonstrated. Let's go to the second in deception

1052
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: and perfect perfect it's what four nothing nothing, He's trying

1053
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: to throw it away, but because he held on to

1054
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 1: it right the past set, the ball stays in play exactly.

1055
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 1: There is exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, and you

1056
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: can't feel as if you're gonna make up for a

1057
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,919
Speaker 1: deficit in one play to begin with, because the hero

1058
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: ball mentality more often than not comes back to bite you.

1059
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: With respect to a mobile quarterback as we're talking about

1060
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, I think this is a great question that

1061
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: comes from Dylan here. Dave At underscore the Dylan Davis underscore,

1062
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:32,399
Speaker 1: like not, Dylan, do you think the Giants will pull

1063
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: a safety to spy Kyler Murray? And if so, who

1064
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: do you think matches up the best with him for

1065
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 1: sideline to sideline speed. Now, before you answer this, this

1066
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: is what I thought the Vikings did a really good

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Speaker 1: job against Daniel Jones, absolute bar and some of those

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Speaker 1: other guys. They were in perfect position when he rolled

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Speaker 1: off the edge, and that's something that they're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to do watching this game. That's unfortunately, you know, I

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00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: was hoping that Corey Valentine could have been that guy

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Speaker 1: to play down in the box, but he's in concussion

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00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: protocol and looks like he won't be up for this game.

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Speaker 1: So therefore you've got to find somebody else in your

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00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: mix that is a hybrid that can play that extra

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00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: linebacker position like we've seen other guys play. But the

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00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,399
Speaker 1: problem with that is is when you have a little

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00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: in there, what are you gonna do offensively? Now you're

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00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,240
Speaker 1: gonna start running the football right at that player knowing

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00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: that he isn't a line decker and can't hold up.

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Speaker 1: So that's a great question, and uh, it'll be interesting

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00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,760
Speaker 1: to see. But if I was to pick one player

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00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: to shadow him, what about Michael Thomas I'd get I'd

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00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,919
Speaker 1: say Michael Thomas, a veteran smart safety, can make those

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00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: sound tackles, knows leverage when to play inside and out.

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00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:40,879
Speaker 1: He'd be a good guy to do. Remember he made

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00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: that big play in the Tampa Bay game, the third

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00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: down stop, that's the name turning point. He doesn't make

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Speaker 1: that stop, tam Bay is able to milk the clock

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Speaker 1: in perhaps run things out. So that would be somebody

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Speaker 1: Michael Thomas would be two points now. Also, Jabril Peppers

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00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: has the versatility day. But the question is what do

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00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:00,439
Speaker 1: you want him on the way. I is just gonna

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00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: say you need him and coverage back end, so you

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00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: can't to have him rome after the quarterback. So Michael

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00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: Thomas is a guy if you go to three safeties,

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Speaker 1: I think you can afford as an extra mindbacker. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's head back to the lines. Jose is in Orlando, Jose,

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00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: what do you got for us here on Big Blue five? Hey?

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Speaker 1: Lands and David, how are you guys? Alright, great man.

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00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: I was just thinking exactly when when that question was

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00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 1: brought up, the first person I thought about was Michael Thomas.

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00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: So I'm glad we're in agreement there. And for that

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00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: same reason that you want your bill being coverage and

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00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas because of his experience and he's a sound tackler,

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00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: you know, for me special teams and all that, that

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00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: would be perfect. Um. I just have a hypothetical question guys,

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00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: if you will, and and I'm just asking you to

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00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: not just like me your quasi GM and this is

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00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: for next year because I'm really excited the direction that

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00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: we're going in as far as building a team that you, David,

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00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: you alluded to at having the commarity that we have

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00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: in the locker room now I was awesome. It's a

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00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: team based, guys. There's there's not a lot of individuality,

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00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: if there's any in that team, but they're all about

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00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 1: each other, which is awesome. It's great to see how

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00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: a traditionalist as far as a football fan, going back

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00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: to the Tom Cofflins and one uh one uh. Something

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00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: that I always remember, David, when we were playing back

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Speaker 1: in oh seven, when you guys just beat Tampa and

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00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: you're going to Dallas. I never forget you saying off

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00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: to Dallas, aft Dallas and we went out. That's a

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00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 1: great memory, David. I'll always remember that in a ship.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for everything you did for us,

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00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 1: for for Giants fans, and we're indebted to you. Appreciate

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00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: my question that I have for both of you guys.

1127
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: And and again this is a hypothetical question because you

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00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: know we know that I love Dave Gentleman. I love

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00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: where he's at. I actually was one of the very

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00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:54,479
Speaker 1: few guys that said, hey, I liked our the quarterback pick,

1131
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 1: and everybody was like, what are you crazy? I was like,

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00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 1: this guy is awesome because he's doing okay playing against

1133
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 1: teams like Clemson, and he's throwing the ball to doctors,

1134
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: lawyers and accountant with a battle offensive line. Wait, hold on,

1135
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: actually it's Janitor more specific here, Okay, ahead. So I

1136
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:16,399
Speaker 1: saw that and I was like, man, this guy's gonna

1137
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 1: be special. So I'm so my question is, and I'll

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00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: take it off the air because I know you guys

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00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 1: got other callers. My question is, I know where our

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00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: defensive line is right now. We have a lot of

1141
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 1: young guys in there on our defensive line, and our

1142
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: offensive line is doing better for next year. I know

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00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,760
Speaker 1: we have a hundred a hundred millions in cas space.

1144
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,879
Speaker 1: What direction do you think will go in as far

1145
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: as selecting an offensive lineman needed through free agency and

1146
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: going in the draft for a defensive lineman. Because I

1147
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: know they've Gentleman likes his hog Molly, we're doing it

1148
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,959
Speaker 1: the other way around, trying to get a defensive line

1149
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 1: through free agency and going offensive line to keep the

1150
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 1: offensive line young and having those guys grow up together

1151
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: and come up together. That's my question. Guys love the show,

1152
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: Thinks and I hope you guys have a great week

1153
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 1: you as well as now. It's a great question obviously,

1154
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: the things that you're looking for if you're looking at

1155
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: next year and the type of opportunities that you want. Obviously,

1156
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: another number one receiver you want to pass rushing, defensive end,

1157
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: a linebacker, possibly another corner slash slot guy that can

1158
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: play inside for the nickel position to the nucleus. Add

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00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: to the nucleus of it. But you're always looking to

1160
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 1: upgrade your offensive line with depth or a garter, a tackle,

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00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: and it all depends on the route in which they

1162
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: want to go through it. You know, you think about

1163
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: it and when you look at it. Number one, it's

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00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 1: no coincidence. When we won in OH seven and eleven,

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00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: we had, as the coaches like to say, a plethora

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00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 1: of defensive lineman that could get after the quarterback, and

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00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: the veteran experience of us growing together was something that

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00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: was invaluable. But at the same time, when you have

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00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 1: some of the pieces in place. It doesn't hurt to

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00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: get a veteran in at the offensive line position knowing

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00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,959
Speaker 1: that you have pieces that you can move around it well.

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Speaker 1: With respect to the offensive line, let's look get the

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00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: breakdown right now, Dave Nate Soldiers under contract. Okay, well

1174
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 1: that is still a young guy between Hallapeo and Pulley.

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00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: You know, it's not as if those guys are up

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00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: there in age. So you have two centers that you

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00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: work with, and you just acquired Zeitler. So if there's

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00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: maybe any position that you want to go younger, it's

1179
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 1: Mike members Because you brought him in on a one

1180
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 1: year conscient you're still not sure how long is backle

1181
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: hold up having to back exactly. So I would think

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00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: if you want to go into the draft, you want

1183
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 1: to address that position in free agency to find a

1184
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,399
Speaker 1: young guy would be the right tackle position who would

1185
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: have to earn that spot. But at the same time,

1186
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: what does it do. It allows you flexibility to have

1187
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 1: a swing tackle game day in case something does happen,

1188
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: meaning you don't have to necessarily started right away. You

1189
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: could develop him into that position. And here's the other

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00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 1: thing that I think you need to look at when

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00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: Dave Gettleman went to Caroline, and Dave he inherited one

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00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: of the worst salads situations right that you can imagine

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00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 1: in NFL history. He cleaned that up and clearly made

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00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: the Panthers competitive. But I'd have to look back at

1195
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: the numbers a little closely. I don't want to be

1196
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: wrong on this or steer a narrative in the wrong direction.

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00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: I don't remember him them going on a spending once

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00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 1: he cleaned things up, so I find it very hard

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00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: to believe that his philosophy is gonna be Okay. I

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00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: did the same thing here in New York. I shedded

1201
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: some very expensive players, We went younger with the draft.

1202
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: Now we have all this money, lets all of a

1203
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: sudden go out and lock it up once again. No,

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00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: I don't think that. I don't either. And when you

1205
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: look at some of those draft picks that he did pick,

1206
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: like Trey Turner of the right guard or on the

1207
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball, Short, those were great picks

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00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: that have turned into unbelievable players. Obviously it's unfortunate for

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00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: Short that he's out for the year, but those were

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00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 1: all Dave Gentleman picks that just like what he's been

1211
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: doing with the New York Giants. Built that Carolina team

1212
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: from the inside out. He built the team through the draft,

1213
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: which is exactly what he's been doing. And he drafted

1214
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey absolutely before he left. He was responsible for

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00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: bringing Christian McCaffrey into the mix. And he also drafted

1216
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: offensive lineman and he didn't necessarily go high in the

1217
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: first round to get those offensive lineman too. So you know,

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00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 1: when you look at as I'm bringing up the Panthers

1219
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: draft history here in terms of who he brought in

1220
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: two thousand thirteen, you brought up k one short addressing

1221
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: the defensive line trade Turner. In two thousand fourteen, there's

1222
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: a great offensive lineman third round, and then you go

1223
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: to the following year two thousand fifteen, Darryl Williams, another

1224
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: offensive lineman in the fourth round, David Mayo. He took

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00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: the fifth round right here. So it's a small world.

1226
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: Everybody knows each other. So that to me is probably

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00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: the direction that I could see him going in with

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00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 1: the Giants, bringing another draft class and have them layered

1229
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: Dave so that everybody's contract doesn't expire at the same time,

1230
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: where you have to now use up all that cap

1231
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 1: space to resign all of your pis. All of that

1232
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: to me leads to very successful teams that can maintain

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00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: continuity and also could put out a winning product. So

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00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: that's something to monitor for the Giants as they get

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00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 1: set for another busy offseason. Let's monitor Twitter one last

1236
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: time before we wrap up to see if anybody else

1237
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: sent out a question or a tweet related to what

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00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: we're talking about here. As I certainly appreciate everybody for

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00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: joining in on the conversation on hashtag Giants Jack great

1240
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: way to get involved in the program if you can't

1241
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: get to the phones. It looks like we addressed most

1242
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: of the major questions and some really good ones posed

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00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 1: our way. Before we wrap up once again, Sat Kwon, Barkley,

1244
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: Evan Ingram full participants in practice. So it is heading

1245
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 1: in the right direction for them to go up against

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00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals, and it will be an opportunity day

1247
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 1: for Daniel Jones to start to have some familiar personnel

1248
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: around it, because I think we forget he took over

1249
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: in the Tampa Bay game. Sa Kwan gets hurt in

1250
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: that game and ever since it's been musical chairs with

1251
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: people in and out of the lineup. So that's also

1252
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: something that's a positive for the sake of the Giants

1253
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: offense to give your young quarterback the next necessary playmakers

1254
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: that you envisioned once you handed him the starting job

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01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 1: and allows you to open up the playbook of all

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01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 1: the different things that you can put on his plate,

1257
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: knowing that he has the support cast around him that

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01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: can get the job done. Absolutely well. That is gonna

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Speaker 1: wrap up the latest edition quick. It did. It flew

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Speaker 1: Dave has always had a blast. Hopefully we'll be able

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Speaker 1: to read night on this program sooner rather than later

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Speaker 1: in the future. I know, I hope, so we'll see

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