1 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to Before Breakfast, a production of my Heart Radio. 2 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: Good Morning, This is Laura. Welcome to the Before Breakfast podcast. 3 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: Today's tip is from my friend Charlie Gilki's new book, 4 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:21,319 Speaker 1: Start Finishing, How to Go from Idea to Done. The 5 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 1: book is out this week. He suggests that we embrace 6 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: the thrashing in order to do our best work. Now, 7 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: what does that mean? Well, let me quote from Charlie. 8 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: He says that we're paradoxical creatures. On the one hand, 9 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: we all want to do our best work. On the 10 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: other hand, we often avoid doing it. This paradox only 11 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,919 Speaker 1: makes sense when we acknowledge that there's a lot happening 12 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: in our inner landscapes that's keeping us from choosing to 13 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 1: do our best work, and that makes choosing an idea 14 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: that matters tricky. To pick an idea that matters, the 15 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: part of you that wants to thrive and do your 16 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: best work, we'll have to overcome the part of you 17 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: that wants to play at safe, be comfortable, and not 18 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: ruffle any feathers. And so Charlie writes, it's time to 19 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: embrace the thrashing that you're doing. Thrashing, he says, is 20 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: the term I use for this emotional flailing and metalwork 21 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: we do when we don't fully commit to our best work. 22 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: What's really going on is that we're working out our 23 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: own head trash, the fears, imposter syndrome, and sometimes unconscious 24 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: perceptions of our own inadequacies. When we're thrashing, we're like 25 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 1: the rocking chair that moves a lot but doesn't actually 26 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: get anywhere. The more an idea matters to you, the 27 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 1: moreal thrash, precisely because it's success or failure is deeply 28 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,919 Speaker 1: important to you. Now. Thrashing in and of itself doesn't 29 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: sound like a particularly pleasant way to spend time, but 30 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: says Charlie, beware of the siren call of the easier idea. 31 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: If you switch to an easier project, you'll end up 32 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: thrashing anyway. You might finish it, but you won't nearly 33 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: as satisfied as if you finish the one you baild on. 34 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: Thrashing is a sign that you're doing something that matters, 35 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: and that you'll need to show up powerfully to get 36 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: it done. Charlie writes, I like this idea of embracing 37 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 1: the thrashing in general because it gets at a revolutionary idea. 38 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: When it comes to time. When people send me questions, 39 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: many are structured along the lines of how can I 40 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: make this challenging thing easier. Maybe someone wants to wake 41 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: up earlier and start a morning routine, or people are 42 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: looking for tips to get family dinner on the table 43 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: when everyone's hungry, or they're looking to survive plane flights 44 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: with little kids. We want to write that book we've 45 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: been thinking about forever, or we want to learn a language. 46 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: And certainly there are ways to make challenging tasks easier 47 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: or more pleasant, but they're never going to be a 48 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: total walk in the park. You never hear someone who's 49 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: written a book say, Wow, that was so easy. I 50 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: just sat down and wrote it and I didn't have 51 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: to expend much thought or energy at all. Instead, the 52 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: philosophy of embracing the thrashing means that just because something 53 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: is difficult doesn't mean we shouldn't do it. You can 54 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 1: accept some rough stuff because you know there's a payoff. 55 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: When I've interviewed people who travel frequently overseas with their 56 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: young kids, I've asked for tips on how to make 57 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: this more pleasant, But my favorite quote from one expert was, yeah, 58 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: I wish there was a way to do that, and 59 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: I love that answer. Her point was that, yes, those 60 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: eight hours in the air might be terrible, but you 61 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: know what it's worth it to travel and to create 62 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: those memories, and to share those memories with your children 63 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: and to make them citizens of the world. A little 64 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: thrashing in this case, maybe a literally thrashing toddler is 65 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: a small price to pay. So if you've got a 66 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: tough project and you find yourself thrashing, try to just 67 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: sit with that idea for a bit. Yes, this thing 68 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: you're trying is challenging, but are probably doing it for 69 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: a reason. As Charlie noted, thrashing is a sign that 70 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: you're doing something that matters. So be brave and march on. 71 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: In the meantime, This is Laura, Thanks for listening, and 72 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: here's to making the most of our time. Hey, everybody, 73 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: I'd love to hear from you. 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