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Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus

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Speaker 1: Here are your hosts, Bo Bishop and Nathan Zegura.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's you're live on a first Friday Miracle

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Speaker 2: edition of Cleveland Brown's Daily.

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Speaker 3: I am merely Bo.

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Speaker 2: He is the great Z.

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Speaker 3: Look at you and I would you even coordinate?

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Speaker 4: This didn't coordinate. I was saying that I noticed this

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Speaker 4: earlier but later in the show. Somehow two times at once.

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Speaker 3: I looked earlier but later what I looked up for?

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, oh, we are both wearing logoless black

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Speaker 4: vests with black quarter zips underneath.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. It's incredible, it really is. It happened.

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Speaker 4: So I don't have anything in that in my catalog.

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Speaker 3: In a tan so I.

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Speaker 2: Know, like from a pant, Yeah, I don't even have one.

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Speaker 2: I was so close to putting on a gray pant.

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Speaker 2: There were two that I had that I was pulling

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Speaker 2: from and I went this way, look.

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Speaker 3: At those luminaries out there. Is here. It is.

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Speaker 4: I am looking at just not as a I want

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Speaker 4: to get your thoughts on this, because I I want.

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Speaker 4: I do think I should have some type of a brown,

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Speaker 4: a brown hue, I like it, of a pant in

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Speaker 4: my repertoire is currently I do not. I have black, gray,

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Speaker 4: and then blue. Yeah, A couple of blues, A couple

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Speaker 4: of different shades of gray, a couple of blue.

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Speaker 3: I'm black. That's pretty much. That's it.

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 4: But Red Vanley, who we love, We love those guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: now has a pull on and it's I'm told it's

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Speaker 4: as comfortable.

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Speaker 3: As these yep. Corduroy, oh baby.

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Speaker 4: And I thought that's maybe where I would get into

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Speaker 4: the I could be the sweet brown, like a brown, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: like a corduroy pull on, corduroy.

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Speaker 3: I like it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's you can go with like a

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Speaker 2: brown brown. You can go with like the what I

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Speaker 2: call it, like Indiana Jones khaki, or then you can

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Speaker 2: go like the cream, which I love ice crem Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I thought those are kind of your three.

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Speaker 4: Those are kind to be the three hues that I

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Speaker 4: was thinking of, and that would add that to the repertoire.

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Speaker 3: I like it.

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Speaker 2: I like where your heads thatt on that I've I've

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Speaker 2: worked them in here in the last you know, when's

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Speaker 2: last say you wore a cord?

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Speaker 3: Eleven years old? Yeah, I mean it's been a long time.

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Speaker 2: But like somebody, so I chords for me were code

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Speaker 2: for we have to go to church, okay, And it

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Speaker 2: was the thing that I would have to wear to

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Speaker 2: go to church or to family gatherings. I'd have to

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Speaker 2: put on chords, and I hated the way that they

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Speaker 2: sounded when you walked. Drove me nothing.

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Speaker 4: These are not that no I played.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure the chord game has changed a great deal

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Speaker 2: since Rustler's when I was seven years old. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: it's changed, but I just from that point on, I

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Speaker 2: haven't sought it out out, yeah, because it just was negative.

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Speaker 3: So I paid.

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Speaker 4: I was with somebody who was wearing them. This is

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Speaker 4: back when we were still golfing in this area, but

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Speaker 4: Like, those are great. I was like, those look great there.

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Speaker 4: If you're golfing and them they're not giving you no

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Speaker 4: it's it's so I think they feel like these on

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Speaker 3: They're ahead of the game, man, those Yeah, very ahead

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Speaker 3: of the game. Yeah, that's actually a game change. That's

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Speaker 3: where I'm going. I'm going next.

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Speaker 4: How you doing, You're good, I'm good. A little warm up,

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Speaker 4: A little warm up. We got obviously a lot of

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Speaker 4: April been a it's been a wild week. Obviously, let's

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Speaker 4: do Harbaugh first. I mean, that is that and that

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Speaker 2: We were off the air when this happened yesterday, that

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Speaker 2: that John Harbaugh would be relieved of duties in Baltimore.

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Speaker 2: The reporting seems to have been it's interesting on like

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Speaker 2: what is the straw that inevitably breaks the camel's back?

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Speaker 2: But this instance it was our buddy. According to reporting,

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Speaker 2: and John Harbor was unwilling to give one. And so

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Speaker 2: eighteen years later, now obviously they were close to this,

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Speaker 2: because there's no way like it was like, wait, you

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Speaker 2: won't do this. So clearly Bashati was prepared to move

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Speaker 4: Of stuff out the locker room and the message and

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Speaker 4: Lamar in particular, Yes, and specifically.

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Speaker 2: Lamar with Todd is what it seems to be that

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Speaker 2: John was kind of the intermediary between the two, which

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Speaker 2: is weird because Lamar's best seasons have been under Todd correct,

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Speaker 4: Two of them, his two best seasons were undertied and

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Speaker 4: one of them was not an MVP season should have

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Speaker 4: been right, right.

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Speaker 2: And I just think that was just MVP fatigue is

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Speaker 2: the only reason that didn't happen. So he's now on

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Speaker 2: the market and it changes everything. I really think that

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Speaker 2: not only the jobs that are open, all of them

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Speaker 2: would love to have John Harbaugh, but so too with

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Speaker 2: jobs who currently are not open. And I would imagine

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Speaker 2: around the league, if you have a coach and unless

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Speaker 2: you are in a Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay, Andy Reid

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Speaker 2: rable from last year's process, Like anybody who could get

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Speaker 2: Rabel would have done it in a second. And I

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Speaker 2: think Harbaugh's the same way, Like if he's interested, then

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Speaker 4: So I think I saw this as their seven kerment

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Speaker 4: o the Ravens. His agent said seven teams have reached out,

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Speaker 4: which means one who was not. I think I thought

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Speaker 4: I saw now that it's up to nine.

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Speaker 3: So I didn't have I think so.

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Speaker 4: So I didn't know if we wanted to try to

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Speaker 4: if we were if that's somewhere in here, I don't

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Speaker 4: want to jump ahead. Is there somewhere where we're speculating.

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Speaker 3: Reckless speculating, Well, I shou'd like to.

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Speaker 2: Let's reckless speculate on the three.

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Speaker 3: I got one. That's okay, Yes, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Well he should just go be the head coach of

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Speaker 2: the Washington Commanders. I mean, that's the easiest one ever.

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Speaker 2: I talked about this this morning and it was it's

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Speaker 2: just a layup. I mean, it's just sitting there. I

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Speaker 2: just feel like he doesn't have to move. You think

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Speaker 2: about like where men were forty, how much do you

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Speaker 2: hate getting out of your routine?

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Speaker 3: Oh a great deal.

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Speaker 2: Right, Like you have these things that you do. The

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Speaker 2: routine is upset and it changes your whole life. Like

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Speaker 2: he gets to stay in his same home that he's

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Speaker 2: lived in, not much change. He can take Monkin with him.

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Speaker 2: If Todd doesn't get a head coaching job, and Todd

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Speaker 2: continues to like that relationship, they could run the offense

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Speaker 2: that they've ran for Lamar, for Jaden, new ownership, getting

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Speaker 2: a new stadium, Like if you were to win again

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Speaker 2: Type of a situation as diard as those fans are,

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Speaker 2: and how long they've been starving for a winner, Like

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Speaker 2: I mean that to me, that's the one they fired

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Speaker 3: Well, that's number one for me.

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Speaker 4: Now number two for me would be in that same division,

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Speaker 4: be the Dallas Cowboys. How does Jerry not? How is

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Speaker 4: of course Jerry's interested in that.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he is, because if you think about it,

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Speaker 2: the only coach that he's hired that could punch at

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Speaker 3: Was Parcels and he did not love the experience.

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Speaker 2: Didn't And so everybody he's hired since has been McCarthy's

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Speaker 2: not exactly. But the other two that he hired, Schottenheimer

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Speaker 2: and your boy Jason Garrett, they're both like, whatever you need, sir, Jerry,

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Speaker 2: how well has that gone for you? But I don't

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Speaker 3: I think he does. See, here's about money. He cares

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Speaker 3: about winning. Winning is money in this league.

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Speaker 2: You make more money a little, but they make a

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Speaker 2: lot no matter what, of course, So I yeah, I

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Speaker 2: mean I thought of that too, but then I just

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Speaker 2: put my own pushback to it was that's not the

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Speaker 2: type of coach that he typically goes for. But they're

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Speaker 2: right for it. They fired Evercluse and that would be

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Speaker 2: a layup.

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Speaker 3: All right, So.

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Speaker 4: Giants is an open job. Eagles would say no right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: NFC North, I think Bears are good packers. I don't

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Speaker 4: think are reaching out now, but perhaps if they moved

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Speaker 4: on to the floor, which there are strange rumors about, that.

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Speaker 3: Would be one be interesting.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you go here, go there?

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Speaker 3: Yep you.

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Speaker 6: No, no, No, he doesn't need to go to Baltimore.

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Speaker 3: Well that's true.

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Speaker 4: Vikings are good, Lions are good. NFC South. I think

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Speaker 4: the Panthers or Buccaneers could be interested. Saints could be

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Speaker 4: interested too, but I think they kind of liked the way.

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Speaker 3: Thing they like that went. Yeah, Atlanta obviously is open. Yep.

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Speaker 4: NFC West, I'd say nobody, no, because.

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Speaker 2: He's not going to Arizona unless he just wants to

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Speaker 2: live in the Valley of the Sun.

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Speaker 4: No, but I'm say the spoken force spoken AFC Dolphins

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Speaker 4: would have to be interested. I think they're one of

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Speaker 4: the ones. I think they're one of the three. If

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Speaker 4: there are nine that have contacted him, I would bet anything.

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Speaker 4: Washington to Miami or two of them.

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Speaker 3: All right, our division, nobody who's open.

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Speaker 6: Neither the Steelers nor the Bengals would have no contacted him.

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Speaker 4: A f C South Jags, no Texans, No.

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Speaker 3: Oh, there's one there, Colts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they were the

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Speaker 2: other one.

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Speaker 4: That was quite a uh quite difference that was. And

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Speaker 4: then the a f C West No three Nos, Denver

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 2: So if I had to bet on the three, it's really.

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Speaker 3: Only kind of like four or five.

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Speaker 4: The Bucks would be like another team that's like seems

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Speaker 4: like a real possibility.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of teams who have coaches who do not have

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Speaker 2: an opening and currently have a coach. If I were

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Speaker 2: to bet the three, I'd bet Washington, Miami, and Dallas.

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Speaker 3: Those would be my three, I say, And maybe Indy

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Speaker 3: over Dallas would be interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was four yeah, would be those. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: again I think I think Washington's kind of the no brainer.

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Speaker 2: But like, this is a guy who has the most

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Speaker 2: road playoff wins of all time. What's his average record

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Speaker 2: ten wins over his eighteen years? Yeah, Like yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's it's crazy. And we didn't know if we were

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Speaker 3: Like I'm out. I'm good.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna do TV for a year, or hell, I'm

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Speaker 2: that could absolutely be the case. How long has he

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Speaker 2: in five nineteen. Okay, so one year more than hard

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Speaker 4: I think it's crazy. So Harbor one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 2: Presided over two MVP seasons with Lamar and one somehow,

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Speaker 2: Lamar obviously is spectacular, and away they went. It led

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Speaker 4: The funny thing about that is, and in twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 3: The top of my head.

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Speaker 4: I think in Week one they played Miami.

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Speaker 4: He throws for five touchdowns on like four hundred yards.

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Speaker 4: They put up fifty nine. Yeah, they beat him fifty

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Speaker 4: just like in youured, it's like, whoa wait a second.

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Speaker 3: What yep?

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Speaker 3: And then they were Yeah, that was just the first

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Speaker 2: So a start over there.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's now the best job because it's already made.

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Speaker 4: Looking at who do you replace John Harball with, it's

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Speaker 2: Well that's the type of one that I think there

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Speaker 2: I'm them, I probably want to find quarterback whisperer one

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Speaker 3: I think it would be that type that they would.

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Speaker 4: I think Anthony Weavers an a I'd watch there, played

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Speaker 3: Yeah, g Man suggests Lincoln Riley. If you're looking for

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Speaker 2: I think it's going to be so hard for him,

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Speaker 4: Maybe time, maybe not. We've seen the meme. It's like

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Speaker 3: Crazy for either one Reokut.

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Speaker 4: Going back to Weave, he was their associate head coach

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Speaker 3: I think he would be.

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Speaker 4: I think he could fit their whole motif.

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Speaker 3: So there on Twitter, I just showed the g man.

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Speaker 3: John Harbaugh's last four seasons ended. The first one is

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Speaker 2: You know, sometimes if you're bashady, I could see you

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Speaker 2: we haven't accomplished our ultimate goal. Lamar Jackson. We have

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Speaker 2: go back to that. I don't know, we'll see, but

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Speaker 4: Way one percent. And it's a shocker in every way.

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Speaker 2: I mean it is to me. I just think it's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and somehow Zach Taylor is the job. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: opening lots to get to here. Per Ian Rappaport, We've

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Speaker 3: Do we know on that? Dirty? Dirty?

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Speaker 2: Okay, dirty? So did some reading this morning on him.

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Speaker 3: Why am I blanking Mike? Why am I blanket on

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Speaker 3: the coach McDaniel McDonald McDonald, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Mike McDonald like that. Those two work together a lot

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: And I'm with you. I think that there will be.

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Speaker 3: But it's been up, it's been down.

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Speaker 2: It has You're right, they Yeah, that's been a very

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Speaker 2: contentious and.

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Speaker 3: Howie Rosenman is not one to sit by if he

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Speaker 3: thinks he can improve the team.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, it's true.

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Speaker 4: Read I mean he fired Doug Peterson within what I

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Speaker 4: think a year, two years after a few years after all.

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Speaker 3: Wasn't it. Yeah? Yeah, pretty quick.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean that that's a good job to

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Speaker 2: you give it. I mean that could be one. That

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Speaker 2: job could be open as well. Who knows what happens

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Speaker 2: with Miami. And I do think that, like we went

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Speaker 2: through it, kind of every team in the league, every

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Speaker 2: team in the league, unless you're just in love with

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Speaker 2: your coach, should kick the tires on John Harbaugh on p.

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent. So how could you not? How could

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Speaker 3: you not?

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Speaker 4: I mean it was Yeah, he is the one guy

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Speaker 4: in this whole coaching sort to me that It's like,

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Speaker 4: I think he will have multiple whatever you want, whatever

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Speaker 4: structure you want, whatever salary you want, we want you.

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Speaker 4: I think he's going to have. He He's going to

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Speaker 4: go exactly where he wants to go. I don't think

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Speaker 4: there's going to be a job that he wants, that

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Speaker 4: is available that he would not get.

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Speaker 3: All right, I this just popped into my head. Is

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Speaker 3: that wrong?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 3: You agree with that?

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Speaker 2: I agree with everything you said. And I think that

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Speaker 2: any team, almost every team in the NFL would offer

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Speaker 2: him all of it.

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 2: And I think he's probably the most attractive. He's probably

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Speaker 2: even more attractive than Bravees was last year, because you know,

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Speaker 2: there's there's a certain type with rave Now we.

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Speaker 3: All loved him, right, yep.

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Speaker 2: But it's probably even more attractive than that. Here's the

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Speaker 2: when is the last time that an MVP quarterback had

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Speaker 2: a coaching change in the middle of his career. Manning

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Speaker 2: is the only one I can think of who went

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Speaker 2: from when Doungee retired.

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Speaker 3: To Caldwell Rogers with McCarthy, Yeah, McCarthy to the floor, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: towards the end, Joe with Bill walste Seaffert Way's back.

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Speaker 2: That's and it's and that's in a that's a succession, right,

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Speaker 2: succession rather than like, But how about fired fired?

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Speaker 3: Probably McCarthy McCarthy towards.

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Speaker 2: The end of Rogers, right, I don't. Yeah, Rogers still

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Speaker 2: in his prime because he wont an MVP with the floor,

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Speaker 2: so he's still in it. There's the one. And then

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Speaker 2: Manning wasn't fire. I mean, Dungeon didn't get fired. But

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Speaker 2: like you say, whoever was coaching the Colt Snacks, it

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Speaker 2: was Caldwell. Like you get a coach Peyton Manning like

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Speaker 2: in his prime, it just doesn't happen.

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Speaker 4: Who was in Denver when he went was John Fox?

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Speaker 3: Johnny Fox.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you just don't have It is so rare

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Speaker 2: that you get the chance to coach an MVP in

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Speaker 2: the middle of his prime, like it just at quarterback. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Matt Ryan, I don't think he was on He won

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Speaker 2: it once, yeah, and then he was kind of Yeah,

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Speaker 2: there was a change there for sure, but he wasn't

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Speaker 2: on the level of Lamar, not even closed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's very rare, very rare that you see that. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm with you. I think he is. He is the

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Speaker 2: That's why I say Washington because I think that's one

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Speaker 2: of the If that job became available, it would be

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Speaker 2: the best job you got a third year superstar. You

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Speaker 2: were just in the NFC Championship stadium there. The fans

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Speaker 2: love him again. The ownership is going nuts. They're willing

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Speaker 2: to spend you're gonna have all of the bells and whistles.

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Speaker 2: If you're him, you don't have to move, and you

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Speaker 2: get you get a coach Jane Daniels, and you can

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Speaker 2: run what you ran with.

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Speaker 4: That to me is the spot I don't I mean,

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Speaker 4: the crazy part is the reality of it is in

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Speaker 4: recent memory that owned the MVPs have been Josh Allen

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Speaker 4: Lamar multiple times, Mahomes multiple times, Aaron Rodgers multiple times,

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Speaker 4: Brady Peyton, kind of going all the way back the

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Speaker 4: two anomalies in theres you have the one year of

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Speaker 4: Matt Ryan and the year four that you have the

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Speaker 4: one year of Cam Newton. Yeah, so Cam Newton prop

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Speaker 4: was was he Riverboat Ron the whole time?

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Speaker 3: Did he have John Fox too? Riverboat Ron was there

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Speaker 3: for a while.

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Speaker 4: So Cam's MVP in fifteen, then they go six and eight,

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Speaker 4: the next year eleven and five, six and eight. So

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Speaker 4: I bet somebody got fired on his in his time.

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Speaker 4: So let's see about forty one before he was the MVP.

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Speaker 4: Was Ron Rivera in fourteen, Ron river A fifteen, Ron

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Speaker 4: River in sixteen, Ronriver seventeen, Rounovera eighteen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna.

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Speaker 4: Say Ron then Rivera gets fired in Night teen and

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Speaker 4: Perry fuel is the takes over. Cam Newton started two

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Speaker 4: games that year, so he was there but two games.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really rare, very rare that you get those

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Speaker 2: type of things. So a hiring circle that always already

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Speaker 2: was going to have a lot in it gets a

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Speaker 2: massive job now the best job on the market, and

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Speaker 2: also the best candidate is now on the market, and

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Speaker 2: that being of course John Harbough. Those are your hot

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Speaker 2: to our buddy Devin Bush. He was named the AFC's

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Speaker 2: Defensive Player of the Week for Week eighteen fourteen tackles.

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Speaker 3: She what a season.

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Speaker 2: He had the ninety seven yeard touchdown on the interception

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Speaker 2: as well second longest interception return in the NFL the

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Speaker 2: season tied for the fourth longest in Browns history. Bush

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Speaker 2: led the NFL this season with two interception return touchdowns

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Speaker 2: to finish with the career high in tackles one hundred

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Speaker 2: and twenty four and three picks. Let's send a couple

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Speaker 2: of minutes on him. A great deal of credit for

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Speaker 2: him for realizing first round pick talent that he was

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Speaker 2: when Pittsburgh drafted. I mean, he was ridiculous as a rookie.

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Speaker 2: And then the injuries happened and Tarv, oh yeah, Tarv

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Speaker 2: like those that partnership worked.

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Speaker 4: Man, Jason Tarver is the best linebacker coach in the

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Speaker 4: National Football League.

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Speaker 3: He should be a DC somewhere.

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Speaker 4: I want him to selfishly stay here for forever. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean Devin Bush was like kind of on his

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Speaker 4: way out as an every down linebacker. I mean not

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Speaker 4: kind of. He was on his way out as an

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Speaker 4: every down linebacker. He had the great season his rookie

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Speaker 4: year was the last time he had an interception in

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Speaker 4: the game.

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Speaker 3: That was a great year he had.

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Speaker 4: I think he ended up being third in the Defensive

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Speaker 4: Rookie of the Year voting two picks, four passes, defense

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Speaker 4: force fumble, four fumble recoveries. He had a touchdown, one

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Speaker 4: hundred and nine tackles, nine tackles for loss.

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Speaker 3: He was everywhere.

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Speaker 4: He gets hurt against US Jerse acl against Cleveland. Brown's

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Speaker 4: Week five of twenty twenty comes back the next year.

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Speaker 4: It's like fourteen starts, seventy tackles, eighty one tackles. Goes

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Speaker 4: to Seattle in twenty twenty three, three starts, thirty seven tackles.

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Speaker 4: Is basically a special teams guy. Yep comes here in

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Speaker 4: his first year, ends up starting some games over the

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Speaker 4: second half of the year seventy six tackles, and then

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Speaker 4: this year was a full time starter again for the

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Speaker 4: first time since twenty twenty two. Career high end picks

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Speaker 4: led the NFL, and interception return yards, led the league

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Speaker 4: with two pick sixes, career high eight passes, defense career

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Speaker 4: high two force fumbles, tight his career high with two

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Speaker 4: six had a fumble recovery, career high, hundred and twenty

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Speaker 4: five tackles, seven tackles for a loss, career high four

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Speaker 4: quarterback hits. And me, he did everything. He was awesome,

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Speaker 4: and he is one that you want the Browns to

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Speaker 4: keep very badly. And now Jason Tarba, and this is

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Speaker 4: to me as the ultimate compliment is now he has

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Speaker 4: first round pedigree.

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Speaker 3: Yep, no doubt.

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Speaker 4: But it if Devin Bush has done what I'm sure

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Speaker 4: he hopes he has done, if Devin Bush has priced

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Speaker 4: himself out of the Cleveland Browns and gets a big

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Speaker 4: contract somewhere else, Tarvor's a guy to me that like

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Speaker 4: Bill Callahan was, where you feel like whoever he gets

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Speaker 4: in there, he's going to make.

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Speaker 2: It work, yes, I think. And he's got the lynchpin

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Speaker 2: and sweastioninger, so.

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Speaker 3: He's right, you know.

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Speaker 4: But I want Devin mosh back to me, that is,

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Speaker 4: I'd like him signed like yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And also you know, he's an example of one of

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Speaker 2: those ab is in a really good job of this

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Speaker 2: through the years, like they he'll find a pedigree of

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Speaker 2: a guy that's it hasn't worked out or they flashed

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Speaker 2: and then it hasn't and it's a great example of

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Speaker 2: a guy when when you and I did that very

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Speaker 2: first interview with him after he signed, we weren't thinking

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Speaker 2: of him as like, oh, go be the starting It

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Speaker 2: was like good special teams player, have some value in

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Speaker 2: the rotation. But it wasn't like, go be a dude.

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Speaker 3: We thought that because of injuries and such, that that

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Speaker 3: was it.

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Speaker 5: Why.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you're right, but we knew he could be

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Speaker 3: a I mean in Michigan he.

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Speaker 2: Was, and he was great at Pittsburgh as a rookie,

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Speaker 2: like we remember it. But we thought that those days

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Speaker 2: were passed certainly, and they weren't. And a great deal

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Speaker 2: of credit to him, a great deal of credit to

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Speaker 2: Tarv for what's happened.

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Speaker 3: I'd like to keep him.

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Speaker 4: Tarv told me that in the clip where Miles you know,

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Speaker 4: tracks him down on the that and it looked like

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Speaker 4: they were talking and people were speculative Miles wanted the

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Speaker 4: ball or what was going on. He was just telling

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Speaker 4: Devon that he was slow. He's like, you're slow, which

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Speaker 4: is hilarious, and Devon's like, okay, you have but block

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Speaker 4: this guy, right because if you watch that back, Miles

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Speaker 4: ran him down quick, quickly.

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Speaker 3: Quick, like a midfield.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, long striding, like like when the Buckeyes had Troll

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Speaker 4: Pryor and he I always said he was such a

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Speaker 4: long strike.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it just eats up.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 3: We talk about Devin Bush and Devon's had an unbelievable year,

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Speaker 3: and you talk about what AB's done. But like here's

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Speaker 3: another one and this one the credit goes to e

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Speaker 3: from Bonda and Ronnie Hickman. Ronnie Hickman ended the year

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Speaker 3: with one hundred and three tackles. Yeah, two interceptions, seven

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Speaker 3: passes defense. Like, we're talking about two guys that I mean,

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00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 3: Ronnie Hickman was drafted and look at the player he's become.

659
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Speaker 4: Ronnie Hickman is a great story and he is a

660
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Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure at the end of your three years

661
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 4: is an undrafted you're an exclusive rights free agent. So

662
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 4: he's a guy who's going to be getting a contract

663
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 4: as well. But yeah, Hunter tackle club, full time starter.

664
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Speaker 4: Two picks, career high seven passes defense, career high end tackles. Yeah,

665
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 4: our defensive staff is elite, which is exactly why nobody

666
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 4: wants him to go anywhere. You have Jaxizar as a

667
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 4: top defensive line coach. Tarv I think might be the

668
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 4: best linebackers coach the league. Brandon Lynch is might be

669
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 4: the best cornerback coach in the league. In Bond is

670
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 4: an elite safeties coach.

671
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 3: I was going to say, if you want to talk

672
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 3: about assistant coaches of the year, I mean you every

673
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 3: one of them can make a case for our defensive staff.

674
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 3: Tarvor really should Brandon Lynch dore with Tyson Campbell.

675
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 4: Look what I mean, Lynch b Lynch. At the beginning

676
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 4: of the season. The beginning of the year, his top

677
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 4: four corners were going to be Denzel Great knew some

678
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 4: m j Emerson and Cam Mitchell. Emerson goes down, immediately,

679
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 4: gets hurt, Greg ends up getting traded. Cam Mitchell is

680
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 4: on the Colts, is out of here in a few days.

681
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 4: And look at what he's able to do. He had

682
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 4: DiAngelo Ross and Sam Webb playing respectable against pretty darn

683
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 4: good compeition. She had Trey Avery ready to play in

684
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 4: the slot against the Steelers. Yeah, he's I really think Tarvar,

685
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 4: b Lynch and Bondo will all end up being DC's

686
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's something the Joxys there wants

687
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 4: to do. Yeah, but if he did, he certainly capable

688
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 4: of it. But it's an unbelievable stuff, which is why

689
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 4: you want to keep it all.

690
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 3: That's exactly why you want to keep it all.

691
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 2: Andre Schmidt Special Teams Player of the Week in week three.

692
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 2: Grant delput Special Teams in week seven. Miles defensive. Miles

693
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 2: was only defensive Player of the week once.

694
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 3: And then he was like defensive player of the month.

695
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 4: Jordan Brooks was twice, and Jordan Brooks was Defensive player

696
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 4: of the weekend the games where Miles had five sacks

697
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 4: and four sacks.

698
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: He's a great player. But wow, some interview request tracker

699
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 2: and change in their game plan.

700
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 3: No, they're not. We'll have to ask the hoff about that.

701
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Speaker 2: Where's Miles more effective in the sack when he gets

702
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 2: the big sack games or when everyone's doing everything to

703
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: try to.

704
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 3: Keep you say, I was contemplating asking that.

705
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 2: I thought I thought you mudge just a little little shove, Yes,

706
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 2: says yeah, I'm gonna do it.

707
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 6: That's the new version of this yeah, that's good.

708
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 4: In the future past, the future past, all right.

709
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 2: A couple of them around the league, the Giants among

710
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: those they have requested to talk to Kevin Stefanski, of course, Vance, Joseph,

711
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy, Raheem Morris, and Clint Kubiak for the Giants.

712
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 2: The Titans have gone Matt Nagy, Vance, Joseph, Luenarumo, Kevin Stefanski,

713
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: Raheem Morris, Steve Spagnolo, and Jason Garrett the Falcons for

714
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 2: President of football Operations, Matt Ryan.

715
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Speaker 4: That Ryan's getting that job. I thought I thought that

716
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Speaker 4: was he's.

717
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 2: Helping on the search, But yeah, I don't I don't know.

718
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,239
Speaker 2: Forty Niners exec. Josh Williams, Lion COEO, Mike Disner, and

719
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Speaker 2: Panthers EVP Brant Tillis.

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Speaker 4: Those are the names there. I thought that was a

721
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 4: done deal.

722
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 3: I don't know that. I don't believe it. I think

723
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 3: he's helping in the coach thing and then trying to

724
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Speaker 3: figure out if there is a role somewhere else.

725
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 2: He wants to do what Brady's doing. He wants to

726
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 2: work in CBS and do that, which I don't know

727
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 2: how you could do that. But that's the new trend.

728
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: They know they got to They gotta put an end

729
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 2: to that. The Falcons just Kevin Stefanski's so far on that.

730
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 2: Nothing yet on the GM for the Ravens Dolphins. I

731
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 2: didn't even know that he was really Anthony Weave. Anthony

732
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Speaker 2: Weaver and Clint Kubiak, Oh, thank you Kubiak. The Raiders

733
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Speaker 2: vance Joseph and of course Davis Webb. Davis Webb Broncos

734
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Speaker 2: quarterback coach. He's a former quarterback.

735
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Speaker 4: David wanted to Tech. He has a third round pick.

736
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Speaker 4: If I want to say, the g Men.

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Speaker 2: Could be Matt Nagy there too, and then Clint Kubiak

738
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Speaker 2: there with the Raiders and the Cardinals have We've vance Joseph,

739
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 2: Matt Nagy, Raheem Morris, Clint Kubiak, Robert Sala, and Thomas.

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Speaker 3: Who am I thinking When you said Davis web I

741
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 3: almost said.

742
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 2: Cal For some reason, I think Texas Tech, But I

743
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 2: could be wrong.

744
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 4: There's somebody that's there is a cow guy that I'm

745
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 4: thinking of?

746
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 3: Then who is me?

747
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 2: Or Zzz's Cal?

748
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 4: Look big s that's I remember? Yeah, he's from Texas.

749
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 3: Hold on, he did play at Texas Tech. Okay, yeah,

750
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 3: I'm like thirteen to two fifteen and Cal Berkeley in

751
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen.

752
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 2: So the connective tissue there, I think is the coach.

753
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 2: I think there's a did Sonny Dyke's coach at Cal

754
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 2: huh okay? So that's I think that that. I think

755
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 2: he went wow with yep, and then he was a

756
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 2: part of that and then Sonny went to TCU.

757
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,879
Speaker 3: Davis Web third round pick of the Giants, then went

758
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 3: to the Jets, then the Bills back to the Giants.

759
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 3: Five year career. That's a nice that's just thirty.

760
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Speaker 4: That just tells you the stuff that is in our

761
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 4: like how amazing the human brain is. Like, what's the

762
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 4: last time you thought of Davis Web? Never you tech

763
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 4: sec I had Cal and that he was drafted in

764
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 4: the third round by the Giants. No chance, Why is

765
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:05,919
Speaker 4: that in my brain?

766
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 3: No chance? Absolutely no chance.

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00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 2: We're gonna do a little wild card edition of Guests

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777
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 2: Card weekend edition of Guess the Scores with Doctor Z.

778
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 2: I like this added nugget here with the get in

779
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 2: prices to get into these the man found them. I

780
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 2: think that's very funny. Now, the cool thing about that?

781
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 2: What's really interesting about this? And I don't know, we

782
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 2: haven't talked about this, nor should we be. The college

783
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 2: football semi well, we will talk about tomorrow. I guess

784
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 2: college fool football semifinals are next two days you can

785
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 2: get in for think about this is how stupid among

786
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 2: the million. Here's your latest example how stupid college FOOTLLL

787
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: was ole Miss is playing Miami one of the two Z.

788
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 2: One of the two semifinal sites is Atlanta. The other

789
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 2: semifinal site is Phoenix. Guess where they're playing Miami against ole.

790
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 3: Miss, Phoenix, that's right.

791
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 2: The other one is Oregon against Indiana. Guess where they're

792
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 2: playing Atlanta. So they're asking Oregon fans to go to

793
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 2: my Miami last week, which is the furthest possible bold destination.

794
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 2: You could ever go yep, and now they have to

795
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 2: go to Atlanta.

796
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 4: Why why don't they just use comment because the idiots

797
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 4: teams that are in it, there is no common sense

798
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 4: to it. It's absurd nonsense. Of course they should do this.

799
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 4: Is it locked based on the bracket?

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Speaker 3: Yes, but that's it's all nebulous. You could. You don't

801
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 3: have to block anything. You can do whatever you want.

802
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 3: They're literally making up the rules.

803
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 4: They're trying to give one team's fan base the knowledge

804
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 4: of one hundred percent where they're playing.

805
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 3: I guess.

806
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 2: But like, nobody would have had Old Miss against Miami,

807
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 2: the heavy favorites, or Georgia and Ohio State. So what

808
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 2: good did it do? Everyone still had to scramble in

809
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 2: a week to do the.

810
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 4: Now it should be geographically, of course, so you can

811
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 4: get into all of that.

812
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 2: Was to say, you can get into Old Miss Miami

813
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 2: for fifty four dollars. It's a college semifinal in the desert.

814
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 3: It's next Thursday night for fifty four bucks. Wow, I

815
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 3: bet that price even comes down.

816
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 2: It will be it'll be eight bucks.

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00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 4: By the way, what's going on these what's going on

818
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 4: in Pittsburgh?

819
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 3: That's embarrassing.

820
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 2: That is a little embarrassing, all right, start Panthers should

821
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 2: be the cheapest get in price. We swell, first playoff

822
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 2: in a long time there, Yeah, so that might have

823
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 2: something to do with it. All right, we start on Saturday.

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00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 3: This is your.

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00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 2: Afternoon game, Los Angeles Rams at Carolina Panthers. Joe Davis,

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Speaker 2: Greg Olsen, Pam Alli our Christina pink on the call

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Speaker 2: that get in price one hundred and fifty seven U

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Speaker 2: thirty off.

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Speaker 3: Again, why can't we do three games on Saturday and

830
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 3: three on Sunday? Is just stupid to be on me?

831
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 4: Rams minus six and a half.

832
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 3: It's ten and a half. What for a playoff day

833
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 3: and a half?

834
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 2: Ten and a half?

835
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Speaker 3: That's a loss. That's a lost. Talk, that's definitely loss.

836
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 2: The late game, this one on Amazon. They lost last

838
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 2: time there they did. Yeah, that's right. This is a

839
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Speaker 2: prime production. This is Al Kirk and Kaylee Hartung. It

840
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: is Packers at Bears. To get in is three seventy one.

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00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 2: By the way, the one I would expect to be

842
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 2: the most expensed.

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00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 4: That ten and a half one makes me feel like

844
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 4: they believe they want everybody on Carolina. Yes, well that

845
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 4: would be that could be a disappointing start to the festivities.

846
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,720
Speaker 4: Packers at Bears, Packers down three years.

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00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 3: I wish I could.

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00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 6: Oh wait, we'll do a little little studying here real quick,

849
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Speaker 6: if I may.

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Speaker 3: Well, why you do that here, let me tell you

851
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 3: about Kirk kurb Street this week. If Kirk kurb Street

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00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 3: today flies to the desert, he's got game Day tomorrow

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00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 3: afternoon he does Ole miss And who are they playing again?

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00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 3: That's right, I tuned it out after Miss Miami. Yep,

855
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 3: so he's doing that game. He then right after that

856
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 3: game will fly to Atlanta. They have game Day from

857
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 3: afternoon before that semi final Oregon in Indiana. He's not

858
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 3: doing that game, but he's doing Game Day. He then

859
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 3: hops on a plane. We'll fly to Chicago to do

860
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 3: Chicago and Green Bay and then come home Sunday morning

861
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Speaker 3: at about two am. Yeah, yeah, two miles.

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00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 2: He gets to take the dog. He's got private planes

863
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 2: and suits, and he lives in a world where four

864
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 2: seasons allow him to let the dog run and wherever

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Speaker 2: it wants. So it's pretty that's not bad, not too bad,

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00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 2: all right? So I had written something down.

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Speaker 4: I went back and look this matchup was actually played

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Speaker 4: in week sixteen. It's amazing, and I actually said in

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Speaker 4: that one Bears minus one and a half is what

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00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 4: I wrote down right here. That's what it was in

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Speaker 4: week sixteen. I'm sticking with it. Bears minus one and

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00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,439
Speaker 4: a half, Packers minus one and a half. So that's

873
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 4: moved three points from that game.

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00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 2: From that game, three points. I don't know why, just

875
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 2: because the Packers the Bears can't have nice things.

876
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 3: I think it's got to be it.

877
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: All right, We're on to Sunday. This is your early

878
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 2: game window. It is bills at Jaguars as your nance

879
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 2: Romo Wolfson production, and the price to get in is

880
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty bucks.

881
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 3: Bills at Jaguars Jags minus two and a half.

882
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 2: Bills minus one and a half.

883
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 4: I'm zero for three in any format. You said it

884
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 4: brand New World, brother, I had New World disagree.

885
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 3: I disagree with some of these lines. I do too.

886
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 2: I think Jackson's better than Buffalo, and I think maybe

887
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 2: significantly so. As they just went to Denver and smoked

888
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 2: them thirty four to twenty, and then there were look

889
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 2: at him, We're like, how are they thirteen and a

890
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 2: half on Tennessee last week. Yeah, we thought that was huge,

891
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 2: and then now they come with them not even favored

892
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:44,399
Speaker 2: in this game.

893
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 5: Crazy?

894
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 3: How about the three road teams? That's who bus is.

895
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 3: That's true, that's true, Niners.

896
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 2: Here's your afternoon delight, Niners at Eagles, Burkhart, Brady Andrews, Rinaldi.

897
00:41:58,080 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 2: They get in price two four on this.

898
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 4: One Eagles minus six.

899
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 2: It's less than that. Why did you go so big

900
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,439
Speaker 2: on that? What's wrong with this forty nine Ers team?

901
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 3: What am I not?

902
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 4: My dad's so down on them. I just thought that

903
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 4: that's why there was gonna be six and plus these

904
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 4: lines have all been bigger in favor of the of

905
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 4: who the favorite is than I thought they would be.

906
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 2: The getting price two of four, it's Eagles minus four

907
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 2: and a half.

908
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 4: Okay, so that's a hard Vegas then. Anyway, Yep, this

909
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 4: is a complete this is a this.

910
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 3: Is a debacle. The night game the worst it's ever been. Well,

911
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, uh.

912
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 4: NBC's I mean, I favored wrong twice and the ones

913
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 4: that I've been right. The closest I've been was that

914
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 4: which was one and a half. Yeah, that's the closest

915
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 4: I've been yep.

916
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 2: Chargers at Patriots, Treaco Collinsworth Melissa Stark, Uh, you're getting

917
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 2: prices one seventy one at Foxborough.

918
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 3: Now of these are awful except for the packer there

919
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 3: Packers yep, and the.

920
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,280
Speaker 4: One who was deer sitting in the war on Saturday

921
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 4: in the house, right, that is the chest the cheapest seat, eat,

922
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 4: the cheapest seat in the house.

923
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 2: But I'm sure that they worry about all the Packer

924
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:05,919
Speaker 2: fans coming in. So that's where you get the three

925
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 2: seventy one. The rest of these, I don't think you

926
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 2: could Hatrearans. Yeah, all the rest of these. You wouldn't

927
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: have their fans invading Buffalo, will invade Jacksonville, though for

928
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 2: sure charges a.

929
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 4: Pitch Patriots minus three and a half.

930
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 3: Let's go nailed it exactly an.

931
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 4: Exactoh that's worth that's worth four them, it will be

932
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 4: worth four.

933
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 3: I'm fine with it.

934
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 2: We finish on Monday Night football. It is the Texans

935
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 2: at Steelers Joe Buck troyk when Lisa Salter's Laura Ruttledge

936
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: on the call to get in priced just one hundred

937
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 2: and thirty four bucks on that one for Texans at.

938
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 4: Steelers Texans minus three got it exactly.

939
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 3: Well, great finish. What a finish out of you? That

940
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 3: means I'm eight and four. Yeah, you're right there, brother,

941
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 3: You're right there. That's an unbelievable finish. Yeah, it's interesting.

942
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 2: I think there's a pretty direct correlation with ken your

943
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 2: fans drive to this game or not. And if they can't,

944
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 2: then you can get in relatively reasonable and if they can,

945
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 2: like Green Bay and Chicago, then you get the three

946
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 2: seventy one number that's up there some of the I

947
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 2: think the the Niners numbers a little surprising to me.

948
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 2: I don't get the Bills numbers surprising too. And I

949
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 2: think the Rams is massive, I ten and a half.

950
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 4: Stunning.

951
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 3: They must think that, I mean do they think Do

952
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 3: they think the Rams are just gonna like the last

953
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 3: time was a fluke and the Rams are gonna ram it?

954
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 5: Yeah?

955
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 2: I mean I think that that's obviously what they think.

956
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 2: And then the next part of that is what you

957
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 2: said is that they're trying to hope that a lot

958
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 2: of people come in on. They're trying to make their

959
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 2: numbers so big that people tempt with the Carolina thing

960
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 2: is probably how it goes.

961
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 3: So I think forty nine ers Eagles. You got two

962
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 3: teams that are kind of floundering. I mean the.

963
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 4: Eagles then well, then I said one bad game.

964
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 3: I think the Niners win that game. I'm not sure

965
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 3: that Pedro's totally on board with your analysis, Nate, No,

966
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 3: he is.

967
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 2: He's really the only thing. And that's the only thing.

968
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 2: You and him don't see eye on everything else, you.

969
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 3: Guys, everything else. Lock step on the rest of it.

970
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 4: By the way, I just received an email from the

971
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 4: Half Okay, that must have the new logo for Hall

972
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 4: of Fame Meets on It.

973
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 2: He's got a new logo and he's.

974
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 4: Got a new company, Hall of Fame meets.

975
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 3: Huh.

976
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 2: Oh, so he's not Hall of Fame Beef anymore.

977
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 4: No, he he's got Hall of Fame Beef Six Springs

978
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 4: Farms and Hall of Fame Meets It. This is a

979
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 4: new one. Look at this logo.

980
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 3: Let me see we allowed to discuss this. I mean,

981
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 3: it's in an email that's strong with Jesus. Come on, Half,

982
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 3: Come on, come on, Half. What can he do? Well?

983
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 3: Now he can have meetings. See what they do. It's

984
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 3: a good job at you.

985
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 2: You're gonna the hoff is going to join us as

986
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 2: we get to the second hour of the program for

987
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 2: the Joe Thomas half hour of the pro I'm not

988
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 2: going to bring up the logo.

989
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 3: With the Hoff though.

990
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 6: I've decided that that was just for us just now.

991
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 3: I like that that.

992
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 2: I think that's smart because it could just be a

993
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 2: personal email to you and that's you don't want to

994
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 2: expose things.

995
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 3: Maybe it's a big unveiling.

996
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, smart, So let's let's keep that just between us

997
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 2: between us, if you will. Second hour of the program

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Speaker 2: coming up in about fifteen minutes from now. Between now

1011
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 2: and then, we ranked the AFC teams yesterday. Give any

1012
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 2: buyer's remorse on what because you and I both went

1013
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 2: Pats one.

1014
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have any buyer's remorse. Not yet, Yeah, I

1015
00:46:58,560 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 4: can't have any remorse for two weeks.

1016
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1017
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 3: Nathan had Patriots one, Denver two, Buffalo three, Houston four,

1018
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 3: Jacksonville five, Chargers six, Pukers seven. Bishop had Patriots won,

1019
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 3: Jacksonville two, Buffalo three, Denver four, Houston five, and the

1020
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 3: same six and seven with Chargers and Pukers.

1021
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, and so now we're gonna do the

1022
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 2: same with the NFC.

1023
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 3: Yep, well six seven, and I want to fire him.

1024
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 2: Kids are still the boots. He's still into that. It's

1025
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 2: hanging on the olders. The older ones are. They're over

1026
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 2: it because once the parents get it, then that's kind

1027
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 2: of the end of it.

1028
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 3: Okay, So your field is Seahawks, Bears, Eagles, Panthers, Rammitt Niners, Packers.

1029
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 4: And is this like in the in the order that

1030
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 4: we're going seven to one again that they can win it.

1031
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's power rankings. We're supposed to power

1032
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 3: rank all fourteen together, but we tweaked it. We tweeked it.

1033
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 3: They can't.

1034
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 4: We can't match any of them up except for these ones.

1035
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 2: So okay, all right, number seven, go ahead, give me seven.

1036
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,919
Speaker 3: That's gonna be the Carolina Panthers. They're eight and nine.

1037
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 5: Yep.

1038
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 2: We were talking about that a little bit yesterday, like

1039
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 2: with the Atlanta opening, Like eight and nine won the division,

1040
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:22,240
Speaker 2: won the division.

1041
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 3: What are we doing? Come on, man, what are you

1042
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 3: even doing here? Yeah?

1043
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:33,240
Speaker 2: Carolina number six, number six, number six, the Chicago Bears six.

1044
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 2: Good job keV uh same?

1045
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 3: Yeah? Bears at six? I just wow, no faith.

1046
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 2: I think I grew up a Bears fan. And they

1047
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 2: don't ever win these games. They just don't. They lose

1048
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 2: to Green Bay at home, and they're just gonna.

1049
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 3: Like smoking J right then, smoking J. Cutler have a

1050
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 3: smoking J.

1051
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 2: Had an NFC championship game, I want to say, at

1052
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 2: home against set Out. He got hurt and then everybody

1053
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 2: said he sat out and he was he had like

1054
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 2: a like some internal massive internal injury. Yeah, uh yeah,

1055
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 2: So I got I got the I got them at six.

1056
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 3: Okay, Chay's a lot of things, but he's a tough guy.

1057
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 2: He's one of those guys where I wish he would

1058
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 2: have shown a little bit more of what he is

1059
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: now then.

1060
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 4: If he was who, if he was the personality that

1061
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 4: he was on that cavaliery show where he just stole

1062
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 4: her spotlight. And I don't think I think led to

1063
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 4: their demise.

1064
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 3: I think it led to their divorce.

1065
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,720
Speaker 2: I think it led to everything that she did after

1066
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 2: that in her life, like dating the celebrity.

1067
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 3: The online kid or whatever like all of that. I

1068
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 3: think it led to all of it.

1069
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 2: I think she could not believe that he was better

1070
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 2: at the She had the one thing she was good at,

1071
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 2: and she was great on what was that show, the Hills,

1072
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 2: the one before that beach, Laguna Beach. She was incredible

1073
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 2: on Laguna Beach, like incredible, heroine, all of that stuff, villain,

1074
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 2: good guy or you one of you or she played

1075
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 2: it perfectly. No, not the drug and and she was

1076
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 2: probably like, well, I can do this better than you.

1077
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 2: And then Cutler was better.

1078
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 4: A thousand mile he was. He was. We used to

1079
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:09,879
Speaker 4: recaps of.

1080
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,240
Speaker 2: Him, did those hunting cameras.

1081
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, on the risk he was great.

1082
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, bears six next number five so dramatic.

1083
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 4: The Philadelphia Eagles.

1084
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,479
Speaker 2: Let's to be our first difference. I got green Bay here. Oh,

1085
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 2: I've got green Bay at five. Just weird vibes with

1086
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:31,399
Speaker 2: them last month.

1087
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, weird gift, weird vibes. I think. I think you

1088
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 3: make the case weird vibes for Philly. Both of those

1089
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 3: I agree. I agree. Next number four, who wants to

1090
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 3: go nude? Oh? Really? Yeah?

1091
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 2: I get them higher. I got Philly here, I get

1092
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:50,399
Speaker 2: affiliate four.

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00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 3: You hat affiliate five?

1094
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:52,720
Speaker 5: Green Bay?

1095
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 3: Why are you putting the Niners four? Because I like

1096
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 3: the three teams above them a little bit better the

1097
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 3: I do.

1098
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 4: The fact that they have twenty sacks on the season.

1099
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 4: I think when you can't, like a lot of times

1100
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 4: when the playoffs comes down to can you pressure their quarterback?

1101
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:08,240
Speaker 3: They can't.

1102
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 4: So it just puts a lot of stress on them.

1103
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 4: If they have it somewhat of an off day offensively,

1104
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be very difficult. Yeah, I love

1105
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 4: the Niners. I'm also reverse jinxing it a little bit.

1106
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 4: I'm like really bummed out. I had already concocted this

1107
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:25,720
Speaker 4: scenario in my mind with the hoff that the Niners

1108
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 4: were gonna win against Seattle, be the one seed. I

1109
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 4: have every game at home, run the table, and then

1110
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 4: host the Super Bowl. Yeah, and that me and the

1111
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 4: hoff were going to somehow get Pedro into that game.

1112
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,399
Speaker 3: Oh that would have been you could have done that.

1113
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, But now I think it's it's a harder route.

1114
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 4: So I'm trying to like the disc with they're the

1115
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 4: one seed. I was gonna be gung ho, all in

1116
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 4: and they would have been number one on this if

1117
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 4: they beat the Seahawks. Makes all the sense in the world.

1118
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 4: If they beat the Seahawks, they'd be number one on this.

1119
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 2: I have Philly four, just weird vibes. I agree, weird one,

1121
00:51:55,760 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 2: weird vibes. Next number three, Bo Bishop, I'm sorry, I

1122
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 2: have Seattle at three. And it's just a Donald thing

1123
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 2: that the defense is unbelievable. Their running backs are unbelievable,

1124
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 2: their lines unbelievable.

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00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 3: There. I mean, it's just can to me.

1126
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 2: They have one threat in the past game one, and

1127
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 2: when it comes time to the postseason and you're preparing

1128
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 2: for the one threat, I know how good the defense is.

1129
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 2: I just I just I'm you on this on Darnald,

1130
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 2: like I just and I think he's been great the

1131
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 2: last two years, be ridiculous, but I can't shake last

1132
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 2: year's playoff game and until he does it, and he

1133
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 2: doesn't have to win the super Bowl for me, Like

1134
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 2: he's already validated everything, He's validated the contract, all of it.

1135
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 2: Like he's a tremendous quarterback, he's a top half of

1136
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 2: the league quarterback, all those things. Yep, but like that's

1137
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 2: the next step, right, And I just can Compared to

1138
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:48,919
Speaker 2: the other two guys, I have a head.

1139
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,800
Speaker 3: I just don't trust him as much as I trust them.

1140
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 3: It's a girl. This is number three.

1141
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 5: Yep, yep.

1142
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 4: The Green Bay Packers. I haven't seen Jordan Love in

1143
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 4: a while. I still like their team lose it if

1144
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 4: they had Micah. I'm probably too high on them. Honestly,

1145
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 4: I probably should bump them down before and put the

1146
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 4: Niners at three.

1147
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 3: That's what I'm gonna do. Niners at three, green Bay

1148
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 3: at four. Okay, I knew you'd come.

1149
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you.

1150
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 3: You're totally back in the will next, Yes, number two. First,

1151
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 3: I should be in the will for my plan. I

1152
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 3: feel like he could do that. Who else would go

1153
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 3: in it? You're the you are the will. You never know.

1154
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 3: It could just be.

1155
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 4: It could be like he could be like you remember

1156
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 4: when he's like you Remember when I was Pedro and

1157
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 4: I got mad and then he started calling me not Pedro.

1158
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:44,240
Speaker 3: Well, the will is for not Nate. That's amazing. Number

1159
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 3: two Zegura.

1160
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 4: The Seattle Seahawks dominant defense, running game. It's going to

1161
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 4: be a tough place to play to come.

1162
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 3: In there and beat them there. So I like them

1163
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 3: a great deal.

1164
00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 2: Bishop h I go Spamoni here. Just trust I trust Kyle,

1165
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 2: I trust Purty, I trust McCaffrey. They're battered, they don't

1166
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 2: get I get it, but I just I remember how

1167
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 2: good they've looked the last month up until the game

1168
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 2: against Seattle. I can't shake that, and the fact that

1169
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 2: when Kyle gets in the postseason they usually make a run.

1170
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 2: So yeah, I have them at two.

1171
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 3: Well that would leave number one and both of you

1172
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 3: with the same one, or I am it could be

1173
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,280
Speaker 3: a that was wasn't was Brady's first Super Bowl beating

1174
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:26,720
Speaker 3: the Rams.

1175
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:31,439
Speaker 2: It was, Yes, I was there, Saint Louis Rams, Yeah,

1176
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 2: Saint Louis Rams. Because then he got him again at

1177
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 2: the end when they were the La Rams with goff

1178
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 2: I didn't even think about the total full circle nature

1179
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 2: of that. His last one in cold Drake May.

1180
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 3: If it was Drake May, Matt Stafford.

1181
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 2: Could be fun. I just think the Rams path is

1182
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 2: really nice. Yeah, they get at Carolina.

1183
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 4: Being the five seed was so much better than being

1184
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 4: the sixth seed.

1185
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 2: And then they reset, right, they reset reseat it. So

1186
00:54:57,960 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 2: it's possible they could get a home But if not,

1187
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 2: I I got that defense and they got Stafford. Adams

1188
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 2: is coming back Nikua.

1189
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 3: They need that.

1190
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 4: If green Bay or the Niners win, then they would play.

1191
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 3: Oh they don't want to play the Niners in LA,

1192
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 3: that'll be a Niners home game.

1193
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 5: Yep.

1194
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 4: Well the Niners are the six. Yeah, they're the five,

1195
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 4: right right, So if the Niners win, the Niners at

1196
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 4: just the Niners win and not green Bay seven yep.

1197
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 4: I mean you can have all three of those teams

1198
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 4: win and then all of a sudden, the the Rams

1199
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:34,919
Speaker 4: are playing the Niners and Green Bay would be going

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00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 4: to Seattle. Yeah, it's gonna be.

1201
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:37,320
Speaker 3: A good playoff.

1202
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 4: But if the Niners win, then the Rams would be

1203
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 4: going to the Bears.

1204
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 2: Yeah you feel pretty good too, Yeah, absolutely did. Joe

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Speaker 2: Thomas half hour the program coming up next. Thanks for listening,

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Speaker 6: Ed.

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Speaker 2: Welcome into the Joe Thomas half hour of the program

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00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 2: here on Cleveland Brown's Daily.

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00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 3: Lots to get to with the Hoff.

1216
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 2: We've got ski trips in Europe, We've got meat Santa's,

1217
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 2: We've got a beard on the Hoff. He looked spectacular.

1218
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 2: But we've got some business too. And that starts with

1219
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 2: Kevin Stefanski being relieved of duties six years in, two

1220
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 2: time Coach of the Year to Playoff appearance. And I

1221
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 2: know you got to know Kevin pretty pretty good in

1222
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 2: the time that he was here. What did you make

1223
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 2: of the decision to move on? What did you make

1224
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 2: of the job that he did here?

1225
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 5: Well, it seemed like just listening to the tea leaves

1226
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 5: and reading them, which I don't do a whole lot

1227
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 5: of reading, but I do more listening, and it seemed

1228
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,320
Speaker 5: like this was something that was probably decided, you know,

1229
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 5: a few weeks before the end of the season, which

1230
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 5: became obvious after they did let him go, and you know,

1231
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 5: you finished the season strong with a couple of wins.

1232
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:04,280
Speaker 5: But I think that a separation, a parting of the ways,

1233
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 5: as I think they may have called it. It seemed

1234
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 5: sort of inevitable, where he'd done a great job to

1235
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:15,839
Speaker 5: coach of the year, winning seasons, winning a playoff game,

1236
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 5: but I think not ending up in the playoffs this

1237
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 5: season and continuing that growth and that success it led to,

1238
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 5: you know, both sides being ready for a fresh start

1239
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 5: and not having complete clarity at the quarterback position. I

1240
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 5: think the Browns thought, you know, if we are going

1241
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 5: to do something, this is the time to kind of

1242
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,439
Speaker 5: have a little reset and bring in a new coach

1243
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 5: who's going to bring a new vision, new voice in

1244
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 5: that room, to kind of create the next version of

1245
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 5: what the Cleveland Browns can be and set the course

1246
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 5: for this team as they kind of have an enormous

1247
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 5: decision here to make this offseason and maybe the next

1248
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 5: offseason at that quarterback position.

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00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're in day three of the big one hundred

1250
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 4: and twenty days. Yeah, and yeah, it is going too big.

1251
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 4: Andrew Berry is leading the search. What did you think

1252
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:09,959
Speaker 4: of the fact that it was you know, we've also

1253
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 4: heard so long that those two are kind of joined

1254
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 4: at the hip, but that the decision is that Andrew

1255
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 4: Berry will stay and he will lead the search for

1256
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 4: the next coach.

1257
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 5: I was a little surprised, just because, you know, typically

1259
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 5: when you're gonna let a coach go, you want to

1260
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 5: have all options available. And there's plenty of coaches out there,

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00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 5: especially ones that have more pelts on the wall, that

1262
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 5: are going to say, hey, I want say in personnel,

1263
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 5: I want to be able to hire my own general manager.

1264
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 5: But I think it was pretty clear the draft that

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00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 5: Andrew had this year, and then the behind the scenes

1266
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 5: vision and communication that he'd had with the HASLMS and

1267
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 5: the people making the decision left them comfortable saying, you

1268
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 5: know what, we like the things that Andrew is doing.

1269
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 5: We like what he did with this last draft. And

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00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 5: also I think it's important to note, like the reason

1271
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 5: that we were in the situation that we've been in

1272
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 5: the last couple of years was because of the Deshaun

1273
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 5: Watson trade and losing those draft choices to bring him

1274
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 5: in here in the salary cap space, and so you

1275
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 5: were really handcuffed with what you could do to put

1276
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 5: together a winning playoff team. And I think if Andrew

1277
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 5: Berry was maybe the person that was pushing for it

1278
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 5: in those moments which had been speculated about, I think

1279
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 5: he probably would have been let go with Kevin. But

1280
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 5: it seems like by deciding to keep Andrew they'd love

1281
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 5: his vision. But also they are saying that he maybe

1282
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 5: was not the person that was responsible for the Deshaun

1283
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 5: Watson trade, which will go down in history as one

1284
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 5: of the worst in NFL histories.

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00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a spot now where you say, okay, now

1286
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 2: what do we need.

1287
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 3: Here's what we know.

1288
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 2: We know we have a championship defense. We know we

1289
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 2: need major reconstruction on the offensive line, major, like probably

1290
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 2: the biggest reconstruction of the offensive line in a generation,

1291
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 2: quite honestly. And then beyond that, you got to have

1292
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:57,919
Speaker 2: an answer at quarterback. You know that you have three

1293
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 2: of them that are currently under contract, He are any

1294
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 2: of them the answer? Those are questions that have to

1295
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 2: be answered. And so then the next thing is who

1296
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 2: is the coach that's going to come in here and

1297
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 2: have a massive say in all of this. And we

1298
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 2: don't know that specifically, hoff, but one thing that I

1299
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 2: do think is interesting is what type of coach should

1300
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 2: they be looking for? If you were Andrew Berry, if

1301
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 2: you were in ownership, what coach would you be looking

1302
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 2: for for this franchise right now?

1303
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 3: What type of coach.

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01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 5: I'm always a big believer in if you are looking

1305
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 5: for a quarterback, or if you have a young quarterback,

1306
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 5: you need to go with an offensive minded coach because

1307
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 5: everything in the NFL, in today's league, revolves around that

1308
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 5: quarterback position and the offense and the team that you

1309
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 5: build around that spot. And it's so important to be

1310
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 5: able to have that guy that's tied with that quarterback,

1311
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 5: that's your franchise quarterback that's going to be in house

1312
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 5: and till he's not because of performance or retirement. It's

1313
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 5: just too critical to not want to go with an

1314
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 5: offensive minded guy. I think think anybody from the Shanahan

1315
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 5: Tree would be great. It's still the best offense in

1316
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 5: the league. It's still the thing that gives you the

1317
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 5: most opportunities to attack a defense, and so I think

1318
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 5: looking for potentially somebody on the offensive side of the

1319
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 5: football that can work with either Shad or Sanders or

1320
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 5: wherever we bring in to be that quarterback spot, to

1321
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 5: grow together to build their vision of the Cleveland Browns offense.

1322
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 5: I think that is exactly what you want. And as

1323
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 5: much as I love some of these options that are

1324
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 5: out there, namely in the building with Jim Schwartz, I

1325
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 5: think would be a fantastic head coach, I just worry

1326
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 5: so much that if you finally solve that quarterback position

1327
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 5: and you've got a great offensive coordinator that is building

1328
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 5: that relationship and developing that young quarterback, eventually he's going

1329
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 5: to get poached and go somewhere else. And where does

1330
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 5: that leave you. Now. That's not to say that you

1331
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,439
Speaker 5: should not even consider somebody like a John Harbaugh, who's

1332
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 5: a fantastic head coach who just was released by the

1333
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 5: Baltimore Ravens. But I think primarily you need to focus

1334
01:01:57,960 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 5: your search around the offensive side of the ball. I

1335
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 5: think Harbaugh would have to do and say something in

1336
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 5: those meetings when they bring him in there that would

1337
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 5: just blow you away so much that gives you confidence

1338
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 5: that he can not only solve our problems right now,

1339
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 5: but that when we do have these success we all

1340
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 5: hope that we have, it's not going to come crashing

1341
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 5: down because the person that was the architect of the

1342
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 5: greatness that you have in front of you leaves and

1343
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 5: goes and becomes a head coach somewhere else.

1344
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 4: I think he'd just be able to say, well, this

1345
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 4: was my setup for eighteen years. Yeah, and it went

1346
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 4: pretty well average, winning ten games a year for eighteen years,

1347
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 4: and we had OC's.

1348
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 3: Come and go.

1349
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 4: I think the question with Harbaugh, I think it would

1350
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 4: be obvious that everybody would want him in the league.

1351
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 4: I think he is by far and away the number

1352
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 4: one candidate. How what would be if you were kind of,

1353
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 4: you know, put yourself in Jimmy's shoes and ab how

1354
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 4: are you selling this to John Harbaugh?

1355
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 5: So one, I think you need to dig into the

1356
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 5: human emotion of revenge, right Hey, A better way to

1357
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 5: get back to the Ravens. Who did you dirty? In

1358
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 5: my opinion, because look it back to that game last weekend.

1359
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 5: That kicker makes the kick at the end of the game,

1360
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 5: they win the division. There's no way he gets fired.

1361
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 5: He's still the coach. Coach, There's no way you can't.

1362
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 5: I just won the division. Yeah, So for him, I'm

1363
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 5: sure he's thinking, like, have I not done enough for you? Guys?

1364
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 5: Like I get that when you don't make the playoffs,

1365
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 5: people are frustrated and they're going to point fingers to

1366
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 5: this or that and say like, oh, well, he lost

1367
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 5: the locker room, he lost Lamar, and you know that's

1368
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 5: our most important piece of resource in the entire franchise.

1369
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 5: But you know he's got to be feeling as he

1370
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 5: wakes up this morning, like, man, they really screwed me,

1371
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 5: and I did not deserve the ending to a historic,

1372
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 5: potentially Hall of Fame career that he's put together as

1373
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 5: a head coach and finished the way I did, being

1374
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 5: fired unceremoniously after your kicker misses a kick. And so

1375
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 5: I would be saying, hey, look, we've done a good

1376
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 5: job of rebuilding our salary cap after the Deshaun Watson trade.

1377
01:03:57,400 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 5: We've got some nice draft choices, and we've got this

1378
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 5: great defense and this good core nucleus of young players

1379
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 5: that if you come in here, you're going to be

1380
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 5: able to have the decision making authority, not only to

1381
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 5: of course bring in your coordinators and find a quarterback

1382
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 5: that works with your vision of this team. But you've

1383
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 5: got this great young nucleus. You could build a great team.

1384
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 5: And by the way, you can stick it to the

1385
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 5: Ravens two times every year.

1386
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he is the the He is obviously

1387
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 2: the candidate that there are probably jobs that aren't yet

1388
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 2: open that are being discussed if they should be open.

1389
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 2: I know we talked about Washington earlier in the show

1390
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 2: that that just seems like a no brainer. Like he

1391
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 2: doesn't have to move and you can bring Monk in

1392
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 2: with him and away you go the other the other

1393
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 2: thing with him?

1394
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 1: Is it?

1395
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 3: To me?

1396
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 2: It feels a little bit like Verbel last year?

1397
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 3: Like what do you want?

1398
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 5: That's what do you want?

1399
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 3: What do you want?

1400
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 2: Like you tell me, like is it money?

1401
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 3: Is it control? Is it power?

1402
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 1: Is it?

1403
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 3: Whatever?

1404
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 4: I think here are the keys to the franchise. Take

1405
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 4: it like he's got more road.

1406
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 3: Playoff wins than anybody in the history of the sport.

1407
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 3: Like what are we doing? Like go hire whatever is

1408
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 3: the number one? That's yes, Like he's the Verbel.

1409
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 4: I don't know about in your social circles or any

1410
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 4: I happen to be in a couple of various meetings

1411
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 4: and things this morning, and that's Oh, I'm horriball back

1412
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 4: up the ringstrong. I got people calling me, yelling at me,

1413
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 4: get whatever he wants, Like who cares whatever he wants? Yeah,

1414
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 4: and you know, you look at a lot of these jobs,

1415
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 4: and this year is rare that most jobs it was

1416
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 4: just the coach, not the GM. But yeah, I think

1417
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 4: with a guy like John Harbaugh, your what you you

1418
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 4: tell me? Maybe you tell me what it is that

1419
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 4: you want, And that's the way that I think it's

1420
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 4: gonna go there. It's I think where he ends up

1421
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 4: is going to be fascinating. I do think that there

1422
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:35,919
Speaker 4: is to your point, I think there's a good chance

1423
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 4: that it could be a place that does not have

1424
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 4: an opening right now. It's yeah, it's gonna be nuts.

1425
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 4: And I can't believe the Ravens have a head coach opening.

1426
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 4: The Ravens have had three coaches in their history, right

1427
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 4: It went March of Broda for three years, Billick for nine,

1428
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 4: and then him for eighteen.

1429
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 2: That's it, eighteen years. Yeah, it's crazy. And we talked

1430
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 2: about this yet off you, Nathan. I talked about this yesterday,

1431
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 2: like we kind of organically some stumbled into it before

1432
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 2: we knew about the Harbaugh But like, this division is

1433
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 2: going to be turned on its head in the next

1434
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 2: six months. These teams are not even going to look

1435
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 2: anything similarly except for perhaps Cincinnati, but all the rest

1436
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 2: of these teams are going to look so different than

1437
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 2: how they look to start this season off.

1438
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's pretty crazy, man. I didn't even really think

1439
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 5: that John Harbaugh was even close to being on my

1440
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 5: BINGO card for being a coach that was going to

1441
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 5: be let go. I know, there's been no way, plenty

1442
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 5: of speculation around Mike Tomlin potentially you know, being done

1443
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 5: in Pittsburgh, which I think would be asinine, and if

1444
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 5: he gets let go, which I don't think he will

1445
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 5: anymore because of where they are, But like that would

1446
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 5: be another fantastic exception to my rule of you want

1447
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 5: an offensive coordinator, offensive minded head coach when you have

1448
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 5: a young quarterback or you're going to have a young quarterback,

1449
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 5: versus if you've got an old quarterback, then you bring

1450
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 5: in more of the manager delegate type head coach. But

1451
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 5: you know, Tomlin Vrabel Harbaugh. Like, off the top of

1452
01:06:58,080 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 5: my head, those are three exceptions of my rule where

1453
01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 5: I saying those guys would be fantastic, unbelievable candidates to

1454
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 5: be able to bring in here, and looking at the

1455
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 5: AFC North, I definitely didn't think that potentially at the

1456
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 5: end of the season, Cincinnati, maybe Pittsburgh would be the

1457
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 5: only teams that are retaining their head coach after the

1458
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 5: seasons and the few seasons that they've had as head coach.

1459
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 5: But I guess when you look at the ownership in Cincinnati,

1460
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 5: it's not a surprise that they're saving money whenever they

1461
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 5: can it.

1462
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 4: It is a strange thing and a lot of people think, obviously,

1463
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 4: if he makes if that kick goes through, Tomlin's the

1464
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 4: one that is looking for a job in Harbaugh is

1465
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 4: not which the fact that either one of those guys,

1466
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 4: to me, those other guys that are like they go

1467
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 4: out on their own terms. I mean, Lamar missed a

1468
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 4: ton of games this year, certainly was not himself. They

1469
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 4: still had a chance at the very end. It's shocking,

1470
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 4: but I think, obviously, yeah, he becomes the most attractive

1471
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 4: candidate out there.

1472
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 3: Now you were you were not here.

1473
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 4: You had started to sail off into the hof sunset

1474
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 4: of becoming the king of all the meats in this

1475
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 4: great Land before Todd Monkin came here. But did you

1476
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 4: know anything about him? Did you ever cross past them

1477
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 4: or people that knew him?

1478
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 3: Well? We loved him here.

1479
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 4: He actually spent a lot of time standing right there

1480
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 4: talking with Bo and I. We had a great relationship

1481
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 4: with him. And he's kind of the first name that's

1482
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 4: been out there. He fits your mold as an offensive guy,

1483
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 4: not a young guy, a guy that you know, was

1484
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 4: very well established and has been really successful everywhere he's been.

1485
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he would be a fantastic candidate. I've

1486
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 5: crossed baths with him when he was here in Cleveland,

1487
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:35,680
Speaker 5: and my relationship with him was more on a personal level.

1488
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 5: And he's a fantastic guy, Like just so fun to

1489
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 5: chop it up with talk x'es and o's, and I know, uh,

1490
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 5: talking with Joel and some of the guys that were

1491
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 5: there with him. They loved him as an offensive coordinator.

1492
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 5: He's a guy likes to throw the football, but he's

1493
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:50,680
Speaker 5: not afraid to you know, ground and pound a little bit.

1494
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:54,720
Speaker 5: And I think he would be a wonderful candidate. And

1495
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,839
Speaker 5: I think it's good, like you know, sometimes the younger candidate,

1496
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 5: you know, thinking about guys that maybe have bailable like

1497
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 5: Clint Kubiak, you know, possibly would be a great candidate

1498
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 5: for us. But sometimes having the experience and being around

1499
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 5: a building previously and seeing different franchises and teams and

1500
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,799
Speaker 5: how they're built. I think sometimes that experience gets potentially

1501
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 5: overlooked a little bit as everybody's looking for the hot,

1502
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 5: new young thing that doesn't have any blemishes on their

1503
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 5: head coaching record because they haven't just been around that longt.

1504
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 2: You dealt with a lot of coaching change during your

1505
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 2: professional career. Were there instances where the first time you

1506
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 2: met a new coach and I don't want you to

1507
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 2: name names, there's no reason to bury folks who don't

1508
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 2: have jobs necessarily anymore, but were there instances where the

1509
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 2: first time you met a coach you were like, Oh, yeah,

1510
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 2: this isn't going to work. And then conversely, are there

1511
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 2: guys that you cross pass and what's that like? And

1512
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 2: guys that you cross pass with and you're like, oh,

1513
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 2: this guy's got it any Like, this guy's for sure

1514
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 2: going to be a dude whenever he gets that opportunity.

1515
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:58,560
Speaker 5: I think the fatal flaw for anybody that works in

1516
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:00,759
Speaker 5: NFL football is to think that you you know everything,

1517
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 5: and that you know the moment you meet somebody, you

1518
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:05,599
Speaker 5: just know, like for sure, oh this this is definitely

1519
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 5: not gonna work because you know, you know your little

1520
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 5: aspect square of football, I know my space, but you

1521
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:14,960
Speaker 5: still have a sense and you have an opinion certainly

1522
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 5: when you meet somebody. And there was definitely a couple

1523
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 5: of coaches that I had when I was in Cleveland.

1524
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 5: I go, ah, that ain't gonna work. At least I'll

1525
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:25,600
Speaker 5: give it a one percent chance of success. I'm not

1526
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:27,600
Speaker 5: gonna send zero because I don't know everything, but I

1527
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 5: know for a fact this ain't gonna work very well.

1528
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 2: That's hilarious. That's it's why it's so hard, Like why

1529
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 2: it's hard. It's like a quarterback, like you, you know,

1530
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:38,680
Speaker 2: there are no sure things. Vrabel was a sure thing

1531
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 2: last year in the cycle. Verrabel is a sure thing,

1532
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 2: and Harbaugh is a sure thing.

1533
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:44,560
Speaker 4: So we've kind of talked about the way that I

1534
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:46,640
Speaker 4: look at coaches, and I'm curious to see if this

1535
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 4: jives with the way that you would look at coaches

1536
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 4: that to me, they kind of fall in like three

1537
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:54,440
Speaker 4: buckets and bucket one would be kind of culture tornadoes

1538
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 4: which would be you know, and not to say they

1539
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 4: don't know x's and o's or they're not scheme guys,

1540
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:01,160
Speaker 4: but that's like that is there bread and butter, So

1541
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 4: like Harbaugh, Tomlin, Dan Campbell, like guys like that. That's

1542
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:08,640
Speaker 4: not all of them, but just guys that are in that.

1543
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 5: Ok.

1544
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 4: Then you have your what I would call like scheme

1545
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:13,800
Speaker 4: guys who made it, like Kevin got this job because

1546
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 4: he was a scheme guy, yep. And there are you know,

1547
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:19,360
Speaker 4: guys who are very good in that bucket. And then

1548
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:22,560
Speaker 4: there are the what you would call the guys that

1549
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 4: have it all right, and Andy Reid is a culture leader,

1550
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 4: but he's also the scheme master. Sean McVay, Kyle shanahan,

1551
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 4: and you know, like Kevin O'Connell's probably somewhere between one

1552
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 4: and two. You know, Ben Johnson and Liam Cohen appeared

1553
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:38,640
Speaker 4: that they have not just the scheme but also that

1554
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 4: leadership ability to grant you know, Sean Payton would be

1555
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 4: in that one. And that's where that's where you ultimately

1556
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 4: want to have your guy be. But some guys, you know,

1557
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 4: have to grow into that, either from a scheme standpoint

1558
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:48,839
Speaker 4: or from.

1559
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:49,839
Speaker 3: A culture standpoint.

1560
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:52,720
Speaker 4: Number one, do kind of agree that that's kind of

1561
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 4: the buckets you would put leaders of a football team in.

1562
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 5: I do agree, and I think your next question is,

1563
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:01,760
Speaker 5: you know what's the priority, right, what's the most important thing?

1564
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:04,479
Speaker 5: And so for me, I think culture has got to

1565
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:07,599
Speaker 5: be number one. You know, having the x's and o's

1566
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 5: is obviously vital, but also if you're a good delegator,

1567
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 5: if you're a John Harbaugh, who was a special teams

1568
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:15,559
Speaker 5: coach in Philly, so it's not like they bought him

1569
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 5: in because he is a master x'sz's and offense or defense.

1570
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:21,799
Speaker 5: You can hire those people if you have the leadership

1571
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:25,680
Speaker 5: skills to build the culture and build people. And to

1572
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:28,200
Speaker 5: your point earlier about Harbaugh having so much success with

1573
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 5: a bunch of different coordinators, like he understands people. The

1574
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:35,840
Speaker 5: emotional intelligence of him is very high to understand how

1575
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 5: people are going to work and fit together. And you

1576
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 5: can bring in the right x's and o's guys. But

1577
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:44,000
Speaker 5: I think it's easier to find good x's and o's

1578
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 5: guys than it is to find good culture guys. So

1579
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 5: you'd have to put that on top with a hierarchy

1580
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 5: of what's the most important thing when you're looking for

1581
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:55,720
Speaker 5: that head coach, because a head coach's job, yes, it

1582
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:59,439
Speaker 5: is working with the players and devising a good scheme,

1583
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 5: especially if you're an offensive minded guy. You know, I

1584
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 5: think about Kyle Shanahan, who is my favorite coach and

1585
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:07,680
Speaker 5: has had obviously great success in San Francisco. It's like

1586
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 5: he understood obviously the scheme so he could implement his

1587
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 5: vision and he can continue to implement the vision as

1588
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 5: the game of football and the NFL game changes, which

1589
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 5: is really important. But your most important job as a

1590
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 5: head coach is the coach your coaches, to manage ownership

1591
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 5: and to be the frontman for the brand for the

1592
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:30,640
Speaker 5: Cleveland Browns, to be that person that goes out there

1593
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:33,680
Speaker 5: and takes the bullets after a loss, takes the accountability,

1594
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 5: and then goes back and delivers the message from top

1595
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 5: down of his vision so that everybody's on the same page.

1596
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 5: And that's a really hard role because you have to

1597
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 5: be good at a lot of things. You have to

1598
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 5: be nimble and tactful and managing the ownership and managing

1599
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 5: media and the fans. You have to be sometimes tough

1600
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 5: with your own coaching staff, so make sure that they

1601
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:55,639
Speaker 5: understand it's your way or the highway. But you also

1602
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:57,599
Speaker 5: have to be a really good communicator, which I think

1603
01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 5: is maybe underrated a little bit because you're talking to

1604
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 5: like thirty coaches on a daily basis, trying to communicate

1605
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:06,800
Speaker 5: your vision and that game plan and that week, and

1606
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 5: it's not always that easy to be clear and concise

1607
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 5: exactly what you want in those moments, especially when things

1608
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 5: get heated with all those different coaches. And then you

1609
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 5: also have to be able to be a great communicator

1610
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 5: with your players and so that they relate to you,

1611
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:22,600
Speaker 5: but they also respect you.

1612
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 3: It's a really really.

1613
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 5: Challenging role, and that's why finding those great culture leader

1614
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 5: guys are so hard. Yeah, it is.

1615
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 3: It's brutal. All right.

1616
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 2: Let's spend a little time on the season, the finale

1617
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati, and we start with the Trench Report. It's

1618
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 2: brought to you by Big Fig the Mattress made for

1619
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 2: more Crafted and Cleveland, just like our Browns. The Trench

1620
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 2: Report was history was made on Sunday. You put a

1621
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:49,679
Speaker 2: great video up of the reaction in your house, hof

1622
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 2: as that happened, but Miles did it. He got number

1623
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:53,599
Speaker 2: twenty three and the rest is history.

1624
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:56,400
Speaker 5: As they say, yeah, that was a special moment. Obviously,

1625
01:14:56,439 --> 01:15:00,240
Speaker 5: everybody in Brown's nation was waiting with baited breath since

1626
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 5: he got on the doorstep of setting that sack record,

1627
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:05,680
Speaker 5: And in a season that didn't have a lot of

1628
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:07,680
Speaker 5: things to be excited and cheer for, you had your

1629
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 5: young quarterback Shador Sanders. You wanted to see what he

1630
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 5: could do, but also you wanted that feather in your

1631
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:14,680
Speaker 5: cap for Miles, for the fan base to be able

1632
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 5: to celebrate what is, in my opinion, the greatest defensive

1633
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:22,599
Speaker 5: certainly accomplishment that you can have in the game of football.

1634
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 5: And I would even put it up there with any accomplishment,

1635
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 5: any record in the game of football, because it is

1636
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 5: so significant and it's so difficult to get to that mark.

1637
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:36,759
Speaker 5: And we saw that the last few games of the season,

1638
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:39,680
Speaker 5: because once you get close, nobody wants to be that

1639
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:42,719
Speaker 5: team or that player that gives up that final sack

1640
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:45,439
Speaker 5: that pushes you over the top. And two weeks before

1641
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:48,639
Speaker 5: he or the week before Miles set the sack record,

1642
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:50,679
Speaker 5: he's going against the Steelers team that said, I don't

1643
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:52,240
Speaker 5: care if we don't win the game, I'm not letting

1644
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 5: Miles sack the quarterback. And even in Cincinnati, they didn't

1645
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:58,559
Speaker 5: quite take the same approach. But I think the time

1646
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 5: that he got that sack that set the record was

1647
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 5: the very first time it was a true dropback pass

1648
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 5: that they gave Miles a one on one with the

1649
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:07,160
Speaker 5: left tackle. So to be able to set that record

1650
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:09,599
Speaker 5: is so hard, and it's so different than when you're

1651
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:12,799
Speaker 5: setting let's say an offensive passing touchdowns record or yards

1652
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:15,559
Speaker 5: record from quarterback or whatever. Like, Yeah, teams are going

1653
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 5: to try to take that away, but they're not just

1654
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:19,640
Speaker 5: going to drop nine guys in coverage and force you

1655
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:21,280
Speaker 5: to run the football because they're still trying to win

1656
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:24,479
Speaker 5: the game. And who cares what defense was out there

1657
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 5: when you set the passing touchdown record or whatever, But

1658
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 5: everybody remembers who that quarterback and left tackle that gave

1659
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 5: up that sack that broke the record. So hats off

1660
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 5: to Miles. It was such an amazing moment for Brown's Nation,

1661
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 5: and you know, in my household my little piece of

1662
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 5: Browns Nation for all of us because a lot of

1663
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:44,800
Speaker 5: my kids have been able to grow up a little

1664
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,040
Speaker 5: bit with Miles. You know, my last season in the NFL,

1665
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 5: Miles was there. My kids were running on the field

1666
01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:51,800
Speaker 5: and getting to know him and interact with him, getting

1667
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:54,719
Speaker 5: his autograph, getting pictures and so there's a huge affinity

1668
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 5: for him as a human being and seeing him set

1669
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 5: that record and putting in that work deservedly so being

1670
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 5: the sack champion of NFL history.

1671
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:05,760
Speaker 2: Were you worried he wasn't going to get it?

1672
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:08,759
Speaker 3: I was? I mean, yes too, I was real worried.

1673
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:11,400
Speaker 5: Like we we felt so good. Oh, he's got two

1674
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 5: games left, going into that Steelers game, he'll definitely get it.

1675
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:17,000
Speaker 5: You know, the pace he's on the way, he's beating

1676
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:20,880
Speaker 5: people up. But to my point earlier, like teams, especially

1677
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 5: when you're going against a team that maybe doesn't have

1678
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 5: as much on the line, like they put all their

1679
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:27,679
Speaker 5: effort in it, not allowing you to get that record.

1680
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:31,360
Speaker 4: Well, I felt like the last three weeks you really

1681
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 4: saw it. I mean you go back to the Bills game, yes,

1682
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 4: I mean, and watching that Bengals game, I thought they

1683
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 4: were going to be normal, but it became so obvious.

1684
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 4: You know, they ran sometimes when it happened this way,

1685
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 4: but Drew Sample, if Drew Sample was over there, that

1686
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 4: was the only time you had a chance that it

1687
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 4: was going to be a pass play, and quite frankly,

1688
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:47,439
Speaker 4: when he was one on one before that, they did

1689
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:49,599
Speaker 4: a lot of running where Miles would try that quick

1690
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 4: get off, he'd be up, they would trap the defensive

1691
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 4: tackle on that side, let him get it, and then

1692
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:55,240
Speaker 4: all of sudden there was nobody on the left side

1693
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:56,800
Speaker 4: the line, and that's how they were having success running

1694
01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 4: the football. Do you think Miles is more disruptive in

1695
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:04,760
Speaker 4: a game in which he has we'll call it three

1696
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 4: or four sacks, which he had three such games as

1697
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:07,720
Speaker 4: year he had back he.

1698
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 3: Had one where he had five.

1699
01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:11,760
Speaker 4: Or is he actually more disruptive in a game like

1700
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:14,840
Speaker 4: the Steelers Gamriy has no sacks because they're completely changing

1701
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 4: what they're doing on offense to the detriment of their

1702
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 4: ability to score points. I mean, the Bengals did do

1703
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:21,240
Speaker 4: way more than I would have, way more than I thought,

1704
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:24,760
Speaker 4: and in fact, even when without Ward and Campbell, they

1705
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:28,320
Speaker 4: still were not really willing to just pass the football

1706
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:30,559
Speaker 4: like normal, which is insane.

1707
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 2: Crazy.

1708
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:33,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, I never thought I would say this, but I'm

1709
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 5: going to say that he's more influential in a game

1710
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:37,680
Speaker 5: where he has no sacks and they do everything they

1711
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 5: can to not allow him to get a sack. That's

1712
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:42,760
Speaker 5: what I follow the Steelers because when you get a sack,

1713
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 5: even a game where you have four sacks, that's basically

1714
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:48,760
Speaker 5: for drive killers, which is huge, right. Obviously he paid

1715
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:50,720
Speaker 5: big bucks to have a guy that can kill a

1716
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 5: drive by getting a big sack. But when you play

1717
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:56,720
Speaker 5: the game that the way the last three weeks were

1718
01:18:56,760 --> 01:19:00,600
Speaker 5: played against Miles, he affected the game negatively for that

1719
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:03,200
Speaker 5: offense on every single play.

1720
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:07,320
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, I mean I and I the Drake May

1721
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 2: one we did yesterday, He's second five times five times

1722
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:11,360
Speaker 2: and they beat the Brakes off fo.

1723
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:13,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it.

1724
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 4: I'm curious to see how those last three games carry

1725
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 4: on into next year, if they do or if they

1726
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:23,439
Speaker 4: do it all, because in those three games he was

1727
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 4: held to one and a half sacks. The half sack

1728
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:27,320
Speaker 4: against Buffalo, which turned out to be a darn big

1729
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:29,560
Speaker 4: half sack at the end of it was really just

1730
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:31,760
Speaker 4: because they were there and Josh Allen fell down.

1731
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:32,479
Speaker 5: You know.

1732
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 4: It wasn't like he was able to get a normal

1733
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 4: style sack nothing against the Steelers, and it took until

1734
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:42,840
Speaker 4: what six minutes left in the fourth quarter for them

1735
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 4: and them to be down where he was able to

1736
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:45,519
Speaker 4: get that one.

1737
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 3: I think.

1738
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 4: I think teams that take that extreme of an approach

1739
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 4: are doing to their detriment. And that just tells you

1740
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:57,439
Speaker 4: to me right there, why he is the greatest at

1741
01:19:57,479 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 4: what he does on the planet by by a wide margin.

1742
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, they were going into that game one. Obviously there

1743
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:07,800
Speaker 5: was like an ego pride thing for Pittsburgh Cincinnati, like, hey,

1744
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 5: in the division, we don't like you guys, you don't

1745
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:11,840
Speaker 5: like us, we don't want to give you the record.

1746
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:16,840
Speaker 5: But also it was like they were just so willing

1747
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:20,600
Speaker 5: and worried. They were so willing to add extra resources

1748
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 5: to Miles and then on top of that, just not

1749
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 5: drop back and run their normal offense because they felt

1750
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:29,120
Speaker 5: that if they ran a normal offense, Miles would win

1751
01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:32,679
Speaker 5: the game. Think about that. If you're an offense, any

1752
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 5: offense in the league, and you go into a game

1753
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 5: and say, if we do our normal offense, we're going

1754
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:38,880
Speaker 5: to lose because of one guy on that defense. That's

1755
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:41,920
Speaker 5: an amazing influence on the game. I Mean, I've always

1756
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 5: said that quarterback, and I think probably most people agree

1757
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 5: is probably the most influential position in all of sports.

1758
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:50,920
Speaker 5: But a guy like Miles that's playing that position as

1759
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 5: a pass rusher, so far above and beyond anybody that

1760
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:56,680
Speaker 5: we've ever seen playing that position might be even more

1761
01:20:56,720 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 5: influential than a quarterback maybe, or maybe it close at least,

1762
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:03,760
Speaker 5: because he completely shuts down an offense and they can't

1763
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 5: do anything that they normally wanted to do. Now, if

1764
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:08,000
Speaker 5: you have an offense that helps you out on the

1765
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 5: other side a little bit, then maybe I could have

1766
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:12,880
Speaker 5: a bit more of that argument. But it's just amazing

1767
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 5: to think that one man on defense at that position

1768
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:19,799
Speaker 5: can completely shut down an offense and they're so afraid

1769
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 5: to do anything that they're willing to just basically go

1770
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:24,479
Speaker 5: out there and hope to not turn the ball over

1771
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 5: or give up a sack.

1772
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:29,640
Speaker 2: It's crazy, it really is. In a massive season and

1773
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:31,519
Speaker 2: he gets it, and he's going to win Defensive Player

1774
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 2: of the Year obviously as well. So he's going to

1775
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:35,880
Speaker 2: have that historic season on the other side of the ball.

1776
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 2: And this speaks to our offseason because it's offensive line,

1777
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:41,840
Speaker 2: it's weapons, weapons, weapons is zee and I talked about

1778
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 2: all last offseason, but it's got to start with quarterback.

1779
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 2: You saw a pretty good runway of Shadoor Sanders as

1780
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 2: the quarterback of the Cleveland Browns. You saw a decent

1781
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:52,320
Speaker 2: runway with Dylan Gabriel as the quarterback of the Cleveland Browns.

1782
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:55,200
Speaker 2: We know what Deshaun Watson used to be but hasn't

1783
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:57,599
Speaker 2: played any year. We know those three guys are under contract.

1784
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 2: How would you approach that room this offseason?

1785
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:05,280
Speaker 5: Huff So, I think with Dylan, you learned that you

1786
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:08,639
Speaker 5: did a good job selecting a third round draft choice

1787
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 5: that can be a solid backup, which is a very

1788
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 5: important position in the NFL. A lot of teams pay

1789
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:17,080
Speaker 5: seven to ten million dollars to that spot because it's

1790
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:19,040
Speaker 5: so important to have a guy that's ready to be

1791
01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:22,000
Speaker 5: able to come in, manage the game, do whatever he

1792
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 5: needs to do to keep you in those games, and

1793
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 5: then hopefully hand it back to the starter. But I

1794
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 5: think you've also seen enough from Dylan that you don't

1795
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 5: feel good with him potentially being your starting franchise quarterback

1796
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:35,280
Speaker 5: because the ceiling is just too low. The playmaking ability

1797
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:38,400
Speaker 5: down the field is not there to the capacity it

1798
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 5: needs to be to be a starting quarterback in the NFL.

1799
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:44,400
Speaker 5: With Shador, you saw some really good and you saw

1800
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:47,040
Speaker 5: some really bad, and we saw a nice trend line

1801
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:49,600
Speaker 5: heading in the right direction. He was eliminating some of

1802
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 5: the mistakes and bad habits that he had. But then

1803
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:54,680
Speaker 5: the last game of the year, you saw a lot

1804
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:56,519
Speaker 5: of those bad habits and he just frankly did not

1805
01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 5: play very well. And so I think with Shador, you

1806
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:01,640
Speaker 5: saw enough good and enough bad that you don't have

1807
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 5: a definitive answer of yes, he's our starting franchise quarterback

1808
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:08,719
Speaker 5: or no, he's not our starting franchise quarterback, which leads

1809
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 5: you to a decision that is going to hinge on

1810
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:14,640
Speaker 5: what happens as they evaluate these rookie quarterbacks in this

1811
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:17,120
Speaker 5: draft class now sitting at six, might be a little

1812
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 5: tough to go up and get somebody if you really

1813
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:22,559
Speaker 5: love him. But I think knowing that, hey, we feel

1814
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:25,960
Speaker 5: good enough about Shador that if he is potentially the

1815
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 5: guy that we have next year, we can give him

1816
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:29,880
Speaker 5: a whole year and we'll learn a lot and it'll

1817
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 5: be value to the franchise either finding out if he

1818
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 5: is our guy or finding out if he's not our guy.

1819
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 5: But it'll all hinge about do we love one of

1820
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:40,600
Speaker 5: these quarterbacks in the draft and can we go and

1821
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:43,080
Speaker 5: get them? And then I think from that point then

1822
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:44,800
Speaker 5: you have your decision tree that goes off of that.

1823
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:46,599
Speaker 5: That'll tell you what you want to do with DeShawn,

1824
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:48,599
Speaker 5: what you do with Shadoor and maybe if you want

1825
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:50,360
Speaker 5: to bring in a veteran quarterback.

1826
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 4: It's gonna be And that's the biggest challenge face. I mean,

1827
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 4: head coach and that are the so.

1828
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:59,000
Speaker 3: It's are pretty massive. Everything that.

1829
01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:05,080
Speaker 4: It's only the two most important things that there are

1830
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 4: in all of support and all of sport. It's yeah,

1831
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 4: it is a little bit of a wild undertaking.

1832
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 3: Do I do some awards?

1833
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, let's run it.

1834
01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 4: Go it all right, Hoff m v P on the

1835
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:22,600
Speaker 4: Browns not named Miles Gara.

1836
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:30,479
Speaker 5: Dang, I didn't think you'd say that, boy. I mean,

1837
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:32,839
Speaker 5: I want to give it to my guy Joel because

1838
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:36,320
Speaker 5: I give a bit about it. Yeah, Joel, I mean

1839
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:40,679
Speaker 5: talk about the consonant professional doing everything you've always asked

1840
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:42,559
Speaker 5: of him, doing it with a smile on his face,

1841
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:46,479
Speaker 5: with positivity, being the leader among the offensive line, being

1842
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:48,680
Speaker 5: one of the leaders on that unit for as long

1843
01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:51,160
Speaker 5: as he's he's done that. I think he ended up

1844
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:54,479
Speaker 5: ninth all time this season games played uh for the

1845
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 5: Cleveland Browns, A great honor for him. But always doing

1846
01:24:57,400 --> 01:25:01,519
Speaker 5: it without complaints, being the steadying force on that offensive

1847
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 5: line that all the other four starters that were out

1848
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:07,280
Speaker 5: there did not finish the season, but continuing to play

1849
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:10,599
Speaker 5: great football all the way until the end, just giving

1850
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:13,680
Speaker 5: me a ton of pride. And I think one of

1851
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 5: the things for me is like I've never had a

1852
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:17,760
Speaker 5: lot of pride in my own accomplishments in football, and

1853
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:19,439
Speaker 5: you know, as a Hall of Famer, it's like, well

1854
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:21,000
Speaker 5: what does that mean? You know, how do you not

1855
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:24,639
Speaker 5: have pride in the gold jacket? Which that's great pride.

1856
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:27,040
Speaker 5: I'm happy about it, don't get me wrong. But like

1857
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:30,040
Speaker 5: the pride that I feel welling up inside of me

1858
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:33,679
Speaker 5: is when I feel like the servant that I've tried

1859
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:35,680
Speaker 5: to be in my football career and now in my

1860
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:39,280
Speaker 5: post football life is watching the people that I've tried

1861
01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:41,560
Speaker 5: to serve and tried to do the things that I

1862
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:44,320
Speaker 5: could to help them see them have that success. And

1863
01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:46,960
Speaker 5: that's why I had so much pride when Miles got

1864
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:50,000
Speaker 5: that sack record, because in my own small way when

1865
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:52,000
Speaker 5: he was a rookie, I felt like I did what

1866
01:25:52,120 --> 01:25:53,880
Speaker 5: I could to try to be a servant to help

1867
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:56,479
Speaker 5: him see the game from a left tackles perspective, and

1868
01:25:56,600 --> 01:26:01,200
Speaker 5: obviously he did nine percent on his own and with

1869
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:03,639
Speaker 5: Joel like he had the talent, he had, the desire,

1870
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:06,160
Speaker 5: he had, the work ethic, he had all those things.

1871
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:08,320
Speaker 5: But being the guy that played next to him for

1872
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:11,560
Speaker 5: the majority of the beginning parts of his career and

1873
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:14,320
Speaker 5: helping him get inside my brain and try to teach

1874
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:16,160
Speaker 5: him that process and spend the time with him, and

1875
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:19,080
Speaker 5: just learning to get to know him as a human

1876
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:23,200
Speaker 5: being and the amazing football player, father, husband that he

1877
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:26,080
Speaker 5: is member of the community. I had so much pride

1878
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:28,439
Speaker 5: just watching him out there and finishing the season with

1879
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:33,719
Speaker 5: such incredible play and doing it and getting a couple wins,

1880
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:36,720
Speaker 5: beating the Steelers at home, if this was his last game.

1881
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:39,760
Speaker 5: To me, I was so happy that he was able

1882
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:42,240
Speaker 5: to finish those last couple of games the way he did.

1883
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:46,840
Speaker 3: So he told me that if that is it, he

1884
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:47,720
Speaker 3: thought it was pretty cool.

1885
01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:52,160
Speaker 4: His first win ever was Week two of twenty fourteen

1886
01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:57,120
Speaker 4: when you guys beat the Saints furious comeback game winning drive,

1887
01:26:57,360 --> 01:27:00,479
Speaker 4: walk off field goal. Yeap to win it, And that

1888
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:02,360
Speaker 4: used to be right there for the longest time. It

1889
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 4: was that was the girl that we were there was

1890
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:06,880
Speaker 4: week to twenty fourteen against the Saints, and then he

1891
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:09,280
Speaker 4: said it would be wild that you know it is

1892
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:12,639
Speaker 4: potentially his last win was also a game winning drive,

1893
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:15,360
Speaker 4: walk off field goal. So I asked her, I said,

1894
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:16,519
Speaker 4: what were you thinking when you were going out there?

1895
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 4: It's on the broadcast. I noticed that this could be

1896
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:22,479
Speaker 4: the last drive of Joel Botonio's career, or certainly the

1897
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:26,840
Speaker 4: last and you know, brown and orange, and and he

1898
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 4: was like, I was just He's like, I just was like,

1899
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:30,360
Speaker 4: I can't give up a sack on your last.

1900
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:35,880
Speaker 5: What an offensive lineman. He's not thinking about anything, but man,

1901
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:37,439
Speaker 5: I just don't want to give him a sack right now.

1902
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:42,599
Speaker 3: I love it, haf won't.

1903
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:44,680
Speaker 2: We won't hold you to any of this. But I

1904
01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:46,719
Speaker 2: don't believe we're scheduled to talk to you again until

1905
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 2: after the NFL season is finalized. I'm sure rating so well,

1906
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:51,439
Speaker 2: you know these things.

1907
01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:52,120
Speaker 3: He's a busy man.

1908
01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 2: He's the meet king for crying out loud now, haf Uh,

1909
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:59,280
Speaker 2: You're as you looked at the brackets AFC, NFC, which

1910
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:01,320
Speaker 2: two teams do you kind of say? I like the

1911
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:02,840
Speaker 2: look at those guys coming out of there, and I

1912
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:04,519
Speaker 2: look the like of those guys coming out of there,

1913
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 2: what do you kind of see as a super Bowl?

1914
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:07,439
Speaker 2: And again, we won't hold this against you.

1915
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:10,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I appreciate it, don't hold it against me. Man.

1916
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:13,160
Speaker 5: Just watching the Seahawks and the way they beat the

1917
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:16,360
Speaker 5: forty nine ers towards the end of the season, I

1918
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:19,040
Speaker 5: was like, geez, I hadn't seen a whole lot of

1919
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:21,360
Speaker 5: Seahawks games this year, and I don't think I had

1920
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:24,320
Speaker 5: appreciation for how great that defense is, how they fly around,

1921
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:28,120
Speaker 5: how their assignment sound, how they tackle. And I think

1922
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:30,880
Speaker 5: Sam Donald. I cheer for Sam Donald, right. He just

1923
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:33,160
Speaker 5: seems like a very likable guy in that locker room.

1924
01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:35,080
Speaker 5: Seems like he's always doing the right things. He's had,

1925
01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:38,240
Speaker 5: you know, some tough goes in his career, being labeled

1926
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:41,680
Speaker 5: a bust early on and having a bounce around. I'm

1927
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:43,479
Speaker 5: cheering for the Seahawks a little bit. And I also

1928
01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:46,280
Speaker 5: think that they're probably the team to beat coming out

1929
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 5: of the NFC because of that great defense that they have,

1930
01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:53,040
Speaker 5: and I'm hoping that Sam Donald gets over the little

1931
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:56,000
Speaker 5: yips that he's had in big moments throughout his career.

1932
01:28:56,800 --> 01:29:00,920
Speaker 5: And then the AFC side is kind of crazy. I mean,

1933
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:04,880
Speaker 5: anybody really could come out of there, and I wouldn't

1934
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:08,280
Speaker 5: be totally surprised. I know the Patriots are probably everybody's favorite,

1935
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:12,639
Speaker 5: but I'd like Josh Allen. I think that one in doubt.

1936
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:14,880
Speaker 5: If a lot of things are equal, you trust the

1937
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:17,960
Speaker 5: quarterback in those big moments, putting the team on his back.

1938
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:20,320
Speaker 5: And there's nobody in that AFC that I trust more

1939
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 5: than Josh Allen.

1940
01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:25,519
Speaker 2: There you go, Seahawks, Bills.

1941
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:27,439
Speaker 3: I don't want the hof to go. By the way.

1942
01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:29,880
Speaker 4: Speaking of the Seahawks and that defense, the Browns have

1943
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:33,200
Speaker 4: asked permission to interview their current defensive coordinator Aiden.

1944
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:35,479
Speaker 3: I don't know, is it is it a silent e?

1945
01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:37,080
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1946
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Speaker 2: This is the the guy from across the pond. Yeah,

1947
01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:45,040
Speaker 2: this isn't He's in England, England England native. So yeah,

1948
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:46,280
Speaker 2: we'd get an you'd get an accent.

1949
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:47,080
Speaker 3: He's British.

1950
01:29:47,240 --> 01:29:51,800
Speaker 2: He's British, yeah, or English Pritish. Well done out of you,

1951
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:54,479
Speaker 2: haff great seeing you look great. The beard looks great.

1952
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:56,519
Speaker 2: How long are you gonna let it go? You have

1953
01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:57,160
Speaker 2: you decided?

1954
01:29:57,680 --> 01:30:01,240
Speaker 5: No decisions yet. There's been some conversations from the movie

1955
01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:04,760
Speaker 5: side of my life about having to film some more

1956
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:07,920
Speaker 5: scenes and doing other things there, and so if that happened,

1957
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:12,599
Speaker 5: I guess, uh, TBD might be in la studio out there,

1958
01:30:13,240 --> 01:30:17,560
Speaker 5: So Hollywood Hoff, the current plan is, don't shave it

1959
01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:20,240
Speaker 5: until the wife and kids complain that they're finding birds

1960
01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:22,920
Speaker 5: nests in it, or if I have to shave it

1961
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 5: for work. Otherwise, long and beautiful and flowing, keeping me

1962
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:29,320
Speaker 5: warm in these Wisconsin winters out on the farm.

1963
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:30,840
Speaker 4: Are you going to keep it kind of at that

1964
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:34,439
Speaker 4: length or you look into like it add some real length.

1965
01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:36,920
Speaker 5: To this, you know, I like pushing it out a

1966
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:39,080
Speaker 5: little bit. I'm not as big of a fan of

1967
01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:43,880
Speaker 5: like the nick mingled God Rest his soul, like the

1968
01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:47,960
Speaker 5: really big long beard, the wizard Beard. But I can't

1969
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:49,560
Speaker 5: say I'm totally against it. I don't know. We'll have

1970
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:51,519
Speaker 5: to cross the bridge when we get there. But that's

1971
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:56,080
Speaker 5: gonna make a little more meat, like that the meat.

1972
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Speaker 3: Great talk of the off Wizard.

1973
01:30:57,479 --> 01:31:00,400
Speaker 2: Let's go all right, there he goes there you Joe

1974
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Speaker 2: Thomas half hour the program and there goes Cleveland Browns Daily.

1975
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1976
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1977
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