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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Papa's Perspective, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Bob's Discount Furniture, the official furniture store and official

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Speaker 1: Mattress partner of the New York Giants. We continue our

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Speaker 1: celebration of one hundred years of the New York Football Giants,

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Speaker 1: and the Giants captured their first Super Bowl in the

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty six season. And who better to have on

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Speaker 1: than the man who presented Wellington Mara the Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: Trophy for the first time you.

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Speaker 2: Are looking live.

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Speaker 1: Brent Mussberger of CBS and then later ABC joins us

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Speaker 1: for this episode.

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Speaker 2: Brent, thank you so much for a couple of minutes today.

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Speaker 3: Uh. You know, it's a pleasure to go back and

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Speaker 3: talk about some of the great moments in the history

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Speaker 3: of the NFL, and that one was so big I

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Speaker 3: must tell you about. I was disappointed in the performance

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Speaker 3: of John Elway and the Broncos, but on the other

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Speaker 3: hand of the Giants, that defense, that defense was unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: And then your quarterback Phil Simms has the great day

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Speaker 3: of his career. Three touchdown passes, no interceptions, on target

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Speaker 3: all day long. It was a it was a great,

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Speaker 3: great performance and Sims so richly deserved the MVP Award, Brent.

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Speaker 1: When you think about the NFL today on CBS till

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Speaker 1: this day, pregame shows are trying to find the magic

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Speaker 1: that you had with your group, and the NFC, after

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Speaker 1: so many dormant years in the seventies, became dominant in

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Speaker 1: the eighties. And that was the conference that CBS covered,

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Speaker 1: you know, between the Giants and Niners in Washington and

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Speaker 1: all those great teams. It was an electric time at CBS,

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Speaker 1: wasn't it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it really was.

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Speaker 3: Hey, you overlooked by the Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: That's right, the Dallas Cowboys. But by the mid eighties

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Speaker 1: they were starting to fade a little bit.

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Speaker 3: They were, But of course it was a giant coach

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Speaker 3: Landry who put the show on. It wrote, when you

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Speaker 3: look back and you think about the history of the

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Speaker 3: Giants and you're doing it, and I think about Vince

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Speaker 3: Lombardi and Tom Landry coming from that coaching staff, and

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Speaker 3: then they went on to have such great success with

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Speaker 3: Green Bay and Dallas. What the Giants meant and they

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Speaker 3: were part of this revival in the eighties. You mentioned it.

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Speaker 3: We were extremely fortunate. First of all, I had great

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Speaker 3: people job working with me, Phyllis George obviously Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 3: IRV Cross, who had played and who I knew at

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Speaker 3: we added Jimmy the Greek, and it was kind of

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Speaker 3: it was just kind of the mixture of personalities that worked.

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Speaker 3: But then along came the NFC revival. Okay, the Giants

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Speaker 3: were part of it. Let's not overlook what the Chicago

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Speaker 3: Bears were doing. When you take New York and Chicago,

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Speaker 3: those two huge TV markets, and you have them winning

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Speaker 3: football and people looking forward to their games on Sunday,

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Speaker 3: it just meant so much more success for the NFL

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Speaker 3: to Okay, and the Rams got a member out in

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Speaker 3: think we were lucky as well as being good. But

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Speaker 3: certainly the Giants what coach Parcells meant to that team.

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Speaker 3: I told you when you called me on the phone

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Speaker 3: about this, I said, you know, there's one anecdote that

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Speaker 3: Rose Bowl. It was about I don't know, maybe five

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Speaker 3: hours before we were to go on the air. It

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Speaker 3: the stage would be set up for the presentation of

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Speaker 3: the trophy. And when I went into the Giants locker room,

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Speaker 3: it was completely empty except for one person, and sitting

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Speaker 3: Bill Parcells. And of course we had covered him so much.

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Speaker 3: I went over and asked him, a coach, anything I

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Speaker 3: or anything. No, Brent, he was so nice. He said,

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Speaker 3: lot of coaches, you get him right before the game,

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Speaker 3: said he thought that his defense could handle John Elway

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And earlier in that season and what was being dubbed

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Speaker 1: Broncos at Giants Stadium. Then there was the NFC Champampionship

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Speaker 1: game seventeen to nothing over Washington and the wind is blowing,

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Speaker 1: and now you're in Pasadena, and you know, you've got

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Speaker 1: the dulcet tones of summer, Al and Madden, who really

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Speaker 2: You had the perfect recipe at CBS.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we really did. You know, John and Pat

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Speaker 3: made such a great team. It was fisting. I haven't

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Speaker 3: told many people this, but internally we actually had a

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Speaker 3: vote as to who John Madden was going to work

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Speaker 3: with his first year. He was very fortunate to have

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Speaker 3: worked with Gary Bender, who was a very generous play

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Speaker 3: by play announcer and really taught John Madden the ins

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Speaker 3: and everything. But remember we also had Vince Scully as

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Speaker 1: People forget he was on the call of the catch. Yes, yes, Clark,

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Speaker 1: it was Vince Scully. Who did that game.

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Speaker 3: It was his last game with us, Bob, and I've

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Speaker 3: always thought Vinnie was a good friend, but he kept

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Speaker 3: All instead, that Vince said, that's it. I'm leaving, you know,

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Speaker 3: one of the greatest, if not the greatest baseball announcer

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Speaker 3: with summer All, honestly, is that John Madden could have

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Speaker 3: more airtime to make it as simple as possible. Then

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Speaker 3: a very elaborate, very great with details, but Pat was

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Speaker 3: much more succinct, and so John had more room during

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Speaker 3: the broadcast, and it showed that in that Super Bowl

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Speaker 3: and that dominant win by the Giants over the Broncos.

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Speaker 1: As someone who has broadcasted for as long as you have,

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Speaker 1: the feeling in New York at the time when the

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Speaker 1: regular season, and now here you are in Pasadena handing

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Speaker 1: the Mara family, Wellington Mara, the Super Bowl trophy. Many

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Speaker 1: that a lot of people thought they'd never see, that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was great because Pete Roselle and well in

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Speaker 3: Inton Marrow were the best of friends. Okay. I would

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Speaker 3: see them together at the Kentucky Derby, let's say, down

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Speaker 3: It meant so much for Pete to be able to

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Speaker 3: hand that trophy off to well I did, and then

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Speaker 3: Coach Parcells is on the other side of me when

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Speaker 3: was class personified. But I was going out from Monday

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Speaker 3: Arlene with me, and I was doing the pregame halftime

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Speaker 3: on Monday nights. So I went. I said, mister Marra,

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Speaker 3: so I pause, pause. He said, Brent, I'm sorry, but

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Speaker 3: later in the season, Wellington game to me and said, Brent,

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Speaker 3: I want to apologize, and I thought, what's this about.

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Speaker 3: He said, I know you wanted your wife to sit

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Speaker 3: during games and sometimes I'm profane, and I just didn't

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Speaker 3: want your wife to hear that. It speaks volumes about Wellington. Mara.

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Speaker 3: He was like I said, he was class personified and

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Speaker 3: just it was so great. And immediately after he accepts

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Speaker 3: the trophy from Pete, what does he do. He laddles

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Speaker 3: was a great moment in Giant history and I was

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Speaker 3: proud to be part of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you also were part of the now having

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Speaker 1: in Super Bowl twenty five, and that was a unique

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Speaker 1: and the security a whole different vibe than Pasadena, wasn't it?

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Speaker 3: Oh? It really was. And in that game because it

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Speaker 3: taken over from Pete, he and I were actually standing

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Speaker 1: You know, Brent, this is this is a lot of

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Speaker 1: fun going through this. I want to go back to

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Speaker 1: just Super Bowl twenty one one more time here. I mean, tu,

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Speaker 1: some fans forget that it was a game at halftime,

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Speaker 1: I mean it was ten to nine and the Denver

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Speaker 1: Broncos were leading, but the Giants signature goal line Stan

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Speaker 1: and the Rick Carlos missfield goals, and then the second

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Speaker 1: half I think what we saw during the course of

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Speaker 1: the season, with the Giants being such a forceful team

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Speaker 1: kind of played itself out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. You know, listen, you couldn't handle that giant defense.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Lawrence Taylor, everybody talks about him, maybe the

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Speaker 3: I mean remember now they had a safety against Lway.

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Speaker 3: They took him down in the end zone, and it

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Speaker 3: was not easy getting John down. John was a very mobile,

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Speaker 3: And yes, it was close at halftime. But I remember

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Speaker 3: John Madden. I said, John, what do you think up

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Speaker 3: at halftime? We were during a commercial break just before

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Speaker 3: they kicked off, and he said, Brun, I think the

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Speaker 3: Giants are dominating defensively. And John was so perceptive about

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Speaker 1: You know, for a lot of our audience who were

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Speaker 1: Knicks fans, everyone remembers the Willis Reid two jumpers against

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Speaker 1: a triple double with thirty six points. You could almost

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Speaker 1: make the analogy in Super Bowl twenty one, Simms is

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Speaker 2: Been the MV two Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, true enough, you could have taken a couple of

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Speaker 1: I just want to kind of wrap it up. You

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Speaker 3: It, Oh oh Bob? One after another? You know, we

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Speaker 3: you mentioned. Brings such a smile on my face. To

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Speaker 3: good these guys were. Okay, I mean I can still

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Speaker 3: remember the Fridge scoring that. Listen. The Fridge meant a

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Speaker 3: Who's who was a very dear, dear friend of mine.

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Speaker 3: Many a time he has said to me, Brent, I

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Speaker 3: And then to this day that's Mike's greatest regret.

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Speaker 2: But for his.

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Speaker 3: Gambling bunnies, they love cashing that ticket on the Fridge

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Speaker 1: But well, Brent, you know you can't tell the story

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Speaker 1: CBS led by you, the standard bearer of any of

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Speaker 2: We're all part of that fabric.

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Speaker 1: And I want to thank you from the bottom of

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Speaker 1: my heart for taking time to spend a few minutes

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it, and listen, I appreciate what the Giants

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Speaker 3: I know you grew up in Chicago and covered the Bears,

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Speaker 3: but Lawrence Taylor was better than Dick Bikers.

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Speaker 2: Perfect right to end it, Brent Musburger, thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: You got it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Bob. Take care, Take care.

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Speaker 1: Brent Musburger joining us on this edition of Papa's Perspective,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Bob's Discount Furniture.